At this point, I’m just glad that Nintendo has been so conservative with its generational hardware bumps. Looking at the rest of the industry and how studios and companies have been breaking their backs to keep up with their perception of audience expectations and the standards set by these leaps in hardware, and how they’ve had to heavily monetize every miniscule thing to recoup costs on these insane development pipelines, Nintendo is comparatively sitting very pretty. Their quality is largely consistent, as is their release schedules (aside from this year, considering the next console has potentially been pushed to next year).
Having a console that isn't sold at a loss and games that aren't developed at a loss helps a lot. Nintendo just generally doesn't believe in the loss leader model and have conditioned consumers to expect that you get good content when you pay for it.
@@agromchungand this is why I typically only buy Nintendo's consoles rather than the others. If it is raw power that I want, my PC can deliver that in massive quantities, but one thing it can not do officially is play Nintendo games, and it wouldn't support Nintendo's efforts in any case. Besides, it has often been my experience that Nintendo games usually play best on Nintendo hardware even when emulation is used, and so I usually stick to emulating Nintendo systems on newer Nintendo hardware anyway.
I'm so want Switch 2 ASAP ! Already played my Switch Lite >1,000 hours with Fortnite, TOTK, BOTW, Hogwarts Legacy, Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen, Final Fantasy 12 Zodiac Age, Mortal Kombat 11 ❤. I WANT A SWITCH 2 NOW NINTENDOOOOOOOO
Console generation across the board have gotten less and less impressive that Nintendo is actually the only one doing anything interesting by getting more out of seemingly outdated tech. The fact I can play Tears of the Kingdom on what is basically a 10 year old tablet in terms of power is way more impressive than anything on the other current and vastly more powerful system.
The problem with this argument is that Tears of the Kingdom seriously struggles to run on the Switch, rarely running above 20 FPS consistently. Nintendo is too far behind the technology curve with the Switch, since it bears the burden of being the home console and not just the handheld.
I think one factor that wasnt touched on was cost. Part of the appeal of using stale tech is value, in the last 10 years processing power has declined in price rapidly. With the next Nintendo console lagging a bit in time since the PS5/XBoneX they'll have more margin to play with to either give us more power or deliver at a competitive price
I don't know why people like to down play the power of the GameCube. The game cube was leagues more powerful than the ps2and only barely behind the xbox
Whats funnier is PS2 was promoted as so powerful Iraq imported several to use as a guidance system of their missiles. Which was dumb. But it was promoted as news in an early example of viral marketing.
Honestly, the staying a gen behind the competitors has a major benefit in another way, allows 3rd parties to double dip releases from last gen that would have not been able to run on switch or run well wiithout huge downgrades to be ported over. This actually encourages a lot of releases early in the life span since you will see a lot of PS4/xbox One\pc titles being sent over to really bolster the library while Nintendo is still working on getting their first party releases. Also these ports allow 3rd parties time to learn the hardware and get more efficient at it.
Don’t really see Nintendo as a “power” company and am glad about it, since they aren’t trying to be a pc like the competition, they have their unique quirks and Gimicks which make them one of the few left “consoles”
@@ZackSNetworkI understand what you mean, but at the same time if you want power, get a pc. It’s infinitely upgradable, and can be used for other things.
Absolutely agree. The only real noteworthy downside to Nintendo consoles being generally weaker than the competition's systems is that it really limits the quality AND quantity of third party support, something that they've struggled with for a few generations now. I've always seen Nintendo systems as complimentary consoles, I had a Wii U/Switch alongside my PS4 and currently have a Switch, PS5 and Series X. While the Switch's third party support is far better than previous gens, in a lot of cases (though not all), the Switch versions of games can be fairly worse due to the hardware. This doesn't really impact me, and it might not for a lot of people, but there's still plenty of people that only buy Nintendo consoles that probably WOULD play an Elden Ring or an Armoured Core or a Call of Duty IF the hardware was capable.
In terms of the very credible hardware leaks for what SoC the Switch 2 is using, it does indeed seem like it'll be around the PS4 region of performance, but the handheld PC hardware market is also an important factor - no matter how much you spend on a Steam Deck competitor with more powerful hardware, they generally still converge at roughly the same performance level if you want 'reasonable' battery life as a result of hardware power limits. Nintendo will absolutely want to target higher battery life even at the cost of performance, which puts, in terms of plausible mobile hardware at a *best case scenario* around the Steam Deck performance. Any more and it'll ruin battery life and production cost. For Nintendo? IMO, that's more than enough power. Especially if they have some ML scaling from nvidia for docked play.
I suspect that the Super Switch is going to be an interesting mix of behind the curve raw power and close to cutting edge features. With for example the raw performance to hit 1080p60, but with hardware accelerated ray tracing functions and hardware designed from the ground up to work with DLSS. So I think it's going to be very difficult to do a direct comparison to other devices by its on-paper performance numbers.
Much like people compare the Switch to the PS3 but the far more modern chipset and the higher amount of RAM let it do things the PS3 couldn't do, yes. I think a similar situation where Switch 2 is roughly similar in some ways to the PS4 but actually designed around compatibility with modern game engines like UE5 and with a more modern chipset meaning it's actually going to be way easier to downport games designed for PS5/XBox Series to Switch 2 than to their older consoles just because Switch 2 was designed with modern engines in mind.
It's a matter of tech, anything too strong, like 4K 120fps, is not likely to be used for a portable console, the power source would have to be way larger, which means the console itself would be too big and unwieldy for a portable machine. So no, most likely we aren't getting anything too big when it comes to a power jump, consistent 720p handheld and 1080p in dock? Sure that is something modern tech can handle without having to scale the components too much, but I don't see 4K being something likely.
I suspect we'll see a lot of crossgen titles (Elden Ring, for example) running at 1080p with some upscaling and occasional games running at 4K if they aren't too demanding, like the next 3D Mario or Mario Kart. The reported 1080p screen on the handheld is probably going to development slightly easier because devs can match target resolution between TV and handheld much easier.
@@agromchungI don't think 4k makes any sense at all. If anything maybe 2k (maybe not even real 2k but ai upscaled). Just perfecting 1080p seems like the best choice. Make it be able to do anything in 60fps, with great lighting, but not a resolution monster.
It might support 4k 60hz HDMI output for Netflix and maybe for DLSS or crisper text as there is no big performance penalty. If DLSS is not used different upscalers could be used e.g. FSR1 or a custom Nintendo upscaler.
Honestly, I feel like Nintendo just doesn't want to have to start shelling out the 100's of millions of dollars for 16k textures and ultra-high detail models and levels like what sony and microsoft have been forced to do. Halo: Infinite cost $700 million to make, while Breath of the Wild cost around $60 million, which we know because one of the directors said "We need to sell 1.5 million units to break even". Which would be around 60-70 million dollars. =\ Keep in mind that Breath of the Wild has sold about 3 times the copies as Halo. Microsoft isn't making money, guys. O_O
Textures are far from the most expansive things in gamedev. In fact, cost of assets are probably dropping, as new, more capable production tools are reaching the market. What you are referring to with your Halo example is most likely incompetent management/dev hell/bad planning... No normal game project should balloon this close to the billion mark.
@@GerardMenvussa Honestly, that's what I hope is the real truth behind this stuff. It'd be kinda sucky in Nintendo turned into Sony and released one title every 2 years. =P
I'd just like to note that -- Nintendo is the only hardware manufacturer that is partnered up with NVidia. Why does this matter? Well because NVidia has made some very interesting but very proprietary (I.E.: Other developers are not legally allowed to make something that works similarly) technologies in frame generation and upscaling. So even if raw-computational-power wise the Switch's successor might not be that powerful (and it should be noted that historically, AMD GPUs, which are used by the other consoles, have had more raw horsepower than the NVidia ones in the PC Space--) -- It'll probably push out some very impressive visuals & higher framerates off the back of NVidia's proprietary frame-generation tech (again, see the stuff NVidia GPUs have been doing on the PC space, as compared to the AMD/Intel competition). That said, I'll be surprised if the Switch's successor is just "A Switch but more powerful". Nintendo doesn't like doing _normal things_ -- They like to surprise everyone with a left-hook of weirdness. The GameCube was probably the most normal thing they ever made, and even that had a very unique controller, a unique disc format, and some oddball features, yanno?
A Switch 2 with PS4-level raw power, but a far more modern architecture and tech, including stuff like DLSS would approach ballpark PS5 level tbh, and ensure most, if not all 3rd party games would be able to come to the system, adjusted to varying degrees.
I'm so want Switch 2 ASAP ! Already played my Switch Lite >1,000 hours with Fortnite, TOTK, BOTW, Hogwarts Legacy, Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen, Final Fantasy 12 Zodiac Age, Mortal Kombat 11 ❤. I WANT A SWITCH 2 NOW NINTENDOOOOOOOO
3:20 Clearly, this WAS as capable as the n64. Have you seen Mario kart ds compared to Mario kart 64? It looks so much better, probably an effect of equal hardware but more time to develop and optimize.
I was going to say this - full 3D models rather than sprite, and DS games tended to have much higher res textures. Also the GBA was somewhere between a SNES and a PS1 - games like Rayman would never have run on the SNES and the GBA had a lot more games that used polygonal graphics, that ran with much better performance than the SNES
A bit shakey honestly. Switch launched with 4 y/o Maxwell architecture (2013, launched in 2017). It's likely going to have 2020/2021 technology, so mobile Ampere, in 2025, we'll see what power envelop etc, maybe 20-25W I guess, possibly 30W if we're really lucky
Some people say that the switch 2 should be more powerful than the ps4. But have you seen the graphics of the PS4? Most PS5 can also be played on the PS4. Most of Nintendo's franchises are either cartoony or like an anime they don't need that much power
@@saintlugia The power of the PS5 is only used to make the games graphics look more realistic. Because Nintendo games are always cartoony or like an anime, the PS4 level of power would be more than enough
@@ravenebony2267 I'm not a tech expert, but don't loading times improve massively just by having an SSD? If the switch 2 has one, that should help it on its own quite a bit.
It does seem like the general consensus online is that the Switch 2 will be around the PS4/PS4 Pro, which I think is absolutely perfect. The reality is that, more than ever, Nintendo doesn't need to chase cutting edge technology. To this day, there are only so many PS5 exclusives and many of the biggest titles in recent years (e.g. RDR2, Resident Evil 4 Remake, Baldur's Gate 3, God of War 2018 and God of War Ragnarok, Marvel's Spider-Man, Final Fantasy 7 Remake and so-on and so-forth) are cross-gen titles that are also available on the PS4. The Switch 2 "only" needs to be as powerful as it needs to tap into this wellspring of gaming. Sony is currently working on a PS5 Pro and opinions online right now are that it doesn't even feel necessary as it feels like the 9th gen has even started yet (a problem that Nintendo has avoided completely with their absolute constant stream of games). Even better, because the Switch 2 is reported to benefit from Nvidia's DLSS and upscaling technology, the Switch 2 has a certain level of future-proof that the OG Switch doesn't. It'll continue to look BETTER overtime as Nvidia improves their algorithms. It's also important to state that the Switch 2 likely will not "just" be as powerful as a PS4/PS4 Pro simply because it's been ten years on. It'll have a more modern CPU, more RAM, significantly faster loading times, and the aforementioned DLSS that the PS4 could only dream of. All this is say that, while the Switch 2 is likely to be around a PS4/PS4 Pro on paper, the actual experience is likely to be higher. Likely higher than a Steam Deck which doubles as a portable PC and perhaps as high as an Xbox Series S console. All this is to say that Nintendo's methodology is about to pay huge. An affordable $400 handheld console with PS4 Pro power that can tap into most of the most popular games of recent times and have a level of futureproof with DLSS is going to make it a very strong console for the next ten years.
Especially with how hardware improvements have been beginning to slow down, I could see nintendo relying on older hardware for better battery performance.
people always think nintendo likes to hold back but it's more trying to hit a performance metric within a set cost. they will go as far as they believe is necessary to ride out the rest of the gen. Now that they've combined their hardware divisions tho, I think nintendo has to and think they realize that you need a certain level of performance nowadays especially if u want third party Support. Nintendo went hard on third party this gen as they realized the value of it. In order to keep as much as possible, they'll have to of course have hardware that is desirable and applicable. Nintendo will likely try to reduce cost as much as possible but instead of them dictating what's good enough, now they have to reach a specific threshold within those metrics. No one expects a hybrid device to be on par so as long as it's a gen behind, that is satisfactory for developers and consumers. the problem with the switch was I think it was just shy of performance metrics that nintendo should have gone for imo. It wasnt just that it couldnt hit higher fidelty or fps but even the targets that were set, something to ride out the rest of the gen. As stated, this time around nintendo has tech like AI that will help keep their next console competitive and even when the ps6 and next xbox come, stick around for a bit longer.
This time will be funny, because most games for PS5 still come out for PS4. So a PS4+ level would be quite something. What I would love to see, is that handheld version is underclocked to save battery life, but full speed when docked. I think now Nintendo is big enough to tackle this. We should not forget until now they were more like a smaller business fighting with gods like Microsoft and Sony.
Huh? Nintendo was big a bunch of times. They dominated the retro market, then their sales dwindled in the home console market but they still had a firm grasp on the mobile console market, then they had massive success in the casual era of the Wii and the DS, the Wii U was their biggest fall so far and then the switch was huge success, one of their biggest. They've always been a big player in the gaming market, even if both Sony and Microsoft benefit from gaming being just one of their business divisions.
In regards of power, I think Nintendo will still be quite conservative because of battery management. Having a cooling fan inside the Switch was a solution at the time, but it consumes a considerable amount of battery life and made the console a bit bulky (specially the first model). With the next Switch, I can see them ditching the cooling fan out of the unit and use passive cooling through some holes in the back of the unit. This will not only make battery life a bit better on a regular model, but also will give space for a Lite model (seriously, look up how much space a cooling fan and a cartridge slot take on a Switch Lite; I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being digital-only). When docked, a cooling fan built into the dock could send air through those same holes and send cold air directly to the chipset, so there still should be a significant upgrade in power when docked. If I had to guess, the next generation will have its own name and be available in two models; a $300 "Lite" model that's pocketable and digital-only, and a $400 "Switch" model that can be dockable, has a bigger screen/battery and Joycons.
Nintendo's philosophy for hardware has been one I've been very welcoming of especially in my adult years. I just cannot justify the purchase of a PS5 still and I want one for some of its exclusives, but it's a small number now. I have more mileage out of my PC when I support it. I don't even consider the Xbox anymore, because why? It's games are all on PC now. No need. Nintendo's consoles are generally affordable and easier to buy. I have one Switch for each of our players (3 total). That's also great for Nintendo, but I could barely get one PS5. For the record, why have I bought the same system 3 times versus 1 and 1 for a Switch and PS5? Because I'm not the only one who wants to play the Switch, and my wife. I would only have bought one for my wife but probably not my son if the systems were more expensive. Thankfully they are very affordable and both of them still play all the games we have because majority of purchases are physical. If I was primarily digital owner it may also have been different.
Totally agree. I expect the new console to be around ps4 level in terms of the player experience. Which would be a generational leap over the switch. I’d be totally happy with that. Anything extra would be a Brucy bonus.
It's weird that people keep saying "Mild jump in power" and saying "PS4 level" at the same time. A PS4 level Switch successor would be 4-5x stronger than the current Switch. It'd be a pretty major jump. (FWIW I think PS4 level is the most likely endpoint given how much mobile tech has advanced in the last 7 years and...that's fine! That'd be a really beefy handheld)
I also think people are severely overestimating the jump from PS4 to PS5, the majority of PS5 games could theoretically run on PS4 with minimal downgrades.
@@Crafty_boy70I think the console market have changed since PS4. Instead of third party game dev needing newest tech for most of the game, instead console manufacturers wanting the dev to make enhancement to sell their hardware. I think 1.5 tflops would be enough for most dev, hence they are continuing to support PS4/Xbox one. Therefore, Nintendo is likely not going beyond the sweet spot which is very easy to reach and my disbelief in the t239 rumours. 2013 tech would be more than enough, even if the projection is 2015 for their patterns.
I don't think the Rog Ally is a good comparison since it's not as optimized as the Switch or even the Steam Deck. It's mostly due to Windows being it's default OS.
@@unsac3868 The specs of the ally are actually better than a series s, but it's constrained by power and bad optimization. I am comparing typical performance you would get out of an ally, not the specs underneath. If nintendo used the components of an ally and optimized the hell out of it we could get ps4 pro/series s quality games on the go.
@@danielgrezda3339Yeah, but the Z1 Extreme makes for a shit battery life and a bulky device. Nintendo would want to position the Switch 2 as the Game Boy to the PC handhelds' Game Gear or Lynx.
Considering how horribly stunted the 9th generation of home consoles turned out, a (fully expected) leap to around PS4 levels of performance would put Nintendo in direct competition for a good number of multiplatform releases, especially considering Sony's own recent stats indicating that about half of active PS players are still on PS4 themselves, as well as Square Enix's statements about PS5 exclusivity holding them back. And it's not even that different from the launch of the Switch, with the Nintendo hybrid system still being a full generation behind the "competition", yet that's going to mean even less now than it did then because the "impossible ports" of yesteryear are standard procedure today.
I don't get this talk about hardware generations. Right now it seems like a potential successor has 2 main limiting factors: One being mobile battery life which dictates what other components can be in the hardware and the other is the prize tag for the consumer (which I can't see Nintendo ever going beyond 400€/$ to be honest).
Im curious on what you think on the prospects for virtual reality with the console. I think nintendo labo along with nintendos history with the wii and then their more advanced rumble with the joycons shows they are at least interested in the idea. Do you think this console will have any virtual reality prospects?
I agree and I did a video or two on this last year. Given that even the Switch is VR/AR adaptable, I'm sure they will think about it. Nintendo have a lot of history with stereoscopic 3D and other tech that could usefully transfer. MP4 and Mario Kart would be great launch titles for VR and Pokemon Go shows the potential in the AR space. The "Switch Attach" rumour is interesting to me because a beefier Switch but with the gimmick that it can attach to a range of peripherals including a VR headset makes perfect sense. I don't think, like 3DS, it will be their core selling point though as they want to encourage social play and motion sickness with VR seems to be a particular issue in Japan.
@@nintendoforecast my conspiracy theory for the switch attach vr is that metroid prime 4 has been pushed back for so long as the metroid prime gameplay is almost perfect for the vr setting. Nintendo would likely need to spend a ton of development time on making a vr engine. Nintendo's announcement that Prime 4 development was pretty much scrapped and restarted pretty cleanly lines up with when switch 2 development likely ramped up internally. I suspect Prime 4 has been planned for the switch 2 since. This would give the team ample time to upgrade the engine internally. Whether or not it would be for vr, I don't know, I at least think they will try with Metroid prime sort of like how the resident evil games have vr modes. The whole aiming the wii mote at the screen just naturally translates.
Nintendo wants profit margins. So the chip will be small and easy to fab. Nothing bleeding edge. Secondarily, Nintendo prioritizes battery life and low heat. The Switch’s chip was underclocked compared to what it could do. Maybe at this point, a decent ARM chip could be comparable to the Steam Deck. Probably a bit less. Nvidia’s DLSS could be the wild card, but it seems very un-Nintendo…
It’s also worth noting that gaming hardware hasn’t really gone down in price in any meaningful way in the last 4-5 years. Also remember Nintendo probably won’t be selling Switch 2 on hardware power.
Yeah 10 years behind seems about right for modern nintendo. But i think theyd do better if they went with a Wii U Gamepad or Steamdeck size. Lets be real, if it doesnt fit in your pocket it might as well be the size of a tablet. The switch is too big to be truly portable, you might as well just make it bigger bc we only use handheld mode in bed or on the couch.
Buddy, don't listen to the guy in the video. That's the most dumbest thing I have ever heard. You can't be 10 years behind like that. If that's the case then switch 2 wouldn't have dlss or ray tracing. I get he is saying that from a power perspective but he doesn't understand what he is saying. Right now we don't have the power of PS5 in handheld or mobile form. It just isn't possible right now. It isn't because Nintendo is waiting 10 years.
@@switchitup3709 you just missed the whole point. The parts that make the whole are irrelevant. What we're doing is making a comparison on a holistic view. Visually, the quality of Nintendo games is comparable to games that came out a decade earlier. That's what hes referring to.
@RiqMoran I get it, and it is absolutely still wrong. He is trying to basically use the "lateral thinking with withered technology." He even says Nintendo waits for 10 years before using advanced technology, and with the Switch, it isn't simply true. The Switch processor was the most advanced tech when it came.
It's not that I have low expectations for whatever Nintendo's next console could be, It's that I no expectations at all. Because nothing's confirmed yet, unless someone decided to spy on Nintendo of Japan.
I like the metric of ‘tech years behind’ - but I do think this analysis is actually overly pessimistic for the Switch 2s chances. If you’ve been following the rumors closely, we now have a pretty damn good idea of the chip that will be in the next Switch - and it will be using tech from the Nvidea 3000 series (including DLSS upscaling (which will be incredibly useful) and raytracing (which given the power budget, probably for the most part won’t be)) but down-clocked for similar raw performance to the PS4. However, the Switch was already capable of playing games from the PS4 era, albeit with major graphical compromises. There are credible rumors that people were shown footage of BotW running at 4K 60fps, and the Matrix Awakens Unreal Engine 5 demo running on target Switch 2 hardware at a game show a couple of years ago - things the PS4 simply wouldn’t have been able to run. It seems likely that the next Switch will be capable of providing experiences that would have been impossible to run on the PS4 generation, and will be able to play current gen games - again, with significant graphical compromises to get there.
He doesn't know what tech years mean. You're not ten years tech behind on the Switch 2 because of raw power. Raw power doesn't work like that. Nintendo CAN'T get the PS5 power because there is no mobile chip that powerful out in the market.
Sure, but he makes it clear that he's talking from an experiential point of view, rather than a strictly technical one. And experientially, the Switch 2 will have modern hardware features that will allow it to play a number of PS5 generation games, but because of the power constraints of the mobile chip - it will obviously run these games with significant downgrades. This is basically the exact same situation as the OG Switch, which had a modern-ish GPU with a lot of the feature set of the PS4 / Xbox 1 chips - and could therefore run games on contemporary engines like UE4, all the Id Software stuff etc - just with big performance and graphical downgrades. If anything, the Switch 2 could make things more interesting because its Nvidia chipset is going to have some major feature benefits over the AMD chips inside the X Box Series and PS5 consoles. Balanced against its significant deficit in raw performance, it's going to make for some very interesting comparisons when it comes to cross platform titles. I wouldn't be surprised if some games end up looking significantly better than on the Series S for instance, because of superior upsampling and Ray Tracing performance. @@switchitup3709
@scruvydom the fact that he says Nintendo literally wait 10 years shows he doesn't quite get it. When you take a look at the Switch actual SOC it had some of the latest stuff in gpu technology at the time and had features even what the PS4 and Xbox one didn't have and fine, let's give him grace for what he says but "lateral thinking with withered technology " philosophy is dead with the Switch. Thinking about it. Yeah. You can sat that philosophy worked once with the Wii. However, it failed with the Wii U. The Switch, in a way, abandon that philosophy and it succeeded.
@@switchitup3709 In terms of raw graphical rendering power, it was roughly a decade behind what was technically possible for home consoles upon its release. Any other features it may have possessed are superfluous to the conversation because that was literally his main point.
@Jalex0021 but that's a massively inaccurate way of looking at it. You can't say Nintendo is waiting 10 years if the technology isn't there in the first place. Ten years ago there was never a mobile processor on the level of the PS4. Think about it. You mean to tell me if there was a processor, right now, as powerful as the PS5 that Sony wouldn't have made a hybrid model instead of a traditional console? Also, what feature it has does count as that's what the differences is between last gen and this gen. Ray tracing is what separated the 9th gen from the 8th gen.
Let’s hope it ends up around the level of a PS4 Pro or even the beefy Xbox One X, plus some modern AI support to make it feel truly modern. I want some nice pretty third party games that down look like turd lol. (Little Nightmares for example… not super demanding, but still a challenge to get 60fps at a decent resolution. Bit of RT would be nice.)
Switch soc in 2017 was a top of the class mobile hardware and was 2 years old (and a lot more advanced that what you may find in PS Vita and even PS4 or XOne for some aspects).Comparing the performance of mobile hardware with desktop hardware is like comparing apples to oranges. Would you say that Steam Deck in 2022 was 10 years old in performance? It would sound stupid... Your are confusing a lot of differenti things... 3DS was ancient mobile hardware in 2011... Same as all the handhelds Nintendo produced before Switch and Switch Lite. Same for the Wii that was a generation behind at day one and even if Wii U was a big leap, it used a 4 years old GPU and an ancient 11 year old CPU (even if revamped). You have to compare things in a better way.
Hmm not really. Game boy came out in 89 you compare it at the end of its life then compared everything else at the beginning of their life. But I get your point. The game boy was about five years behind the Nes. It was gonna get replaced probably but then Pokémon happened and they didn’t have to.
I wonder will the next Nintendo console to be a 4K or an even better HD console I mean I want 4K but if they give us AI upscaling with higher HD resolution I'd be happy it's just I do want to see Nintendo in 4k I'm not saying it's because of the PlayStation 5 or even the Xbox series it's just it would be nice to have a 4K Nintendo console nobody laughed at me at this I just wonder if it is HD or a higher booster console either way I'm still buying the console I love Nintendo also Persona 6 better look good I heard that might be coming to Nintendo's next console and please make Pokemon look way better cuz what they look like now they really need to fix Pokemon
The Switch is only as weak as it is because it's portable. So it stands to reason the that a hybrid with power equivalent to a PS3 would be succeeded with a hybrid with power equivalent to a PS4. It just makes sense
@@StarmenRockall? Not really true. The switch 2 will be the biggest jump since the Wii to Wii U jump regardless though. First actual graphical leap for Nintendo in 12 years. Will be great.
@@StarmenRockThe Super Nintendo, the N64 and the Gamecube were all more powerful than their direct competitors. However, from a commercial standpoint they were all disappointments with diminishing returns for each successive generation. It seems Nintendo consoles only sell when they have less power than the competition. Hence, the direction Nintendo has followed since the Gamecube, the stats are clear as day.
What bothers me the most about nintendo and their console power right now is that they don't seem to realize (or maybe they don't care) that for the past 3 years, their high-end games have been chugging on their hardware. Badly. Bayonetta 3, Xenoblade 3 and TotK all have significant framedrop and rendering issues, especially on portable. I don't really mind Nintendo being behind the game by a few years. I can go to my PC or my PS5 for a more rich experience in that regard. I do mind when their own games are held back or outright hurt by this behavior. And this is to say nothing of the fact that I no longer buy third party games on the console because the portability factor just doesn't matter when the games don't run. The one thing everyone should keep in mind when talking about the Switch 2's power is pricing. Successful consoles, every single time in history, have been sold at a reasonable price compared to their competitors. Nintendo has also no doubt seen the failure of the PS5 and taken note of the lack of market for high-end dedicated machines. So they know that making the console cost too much will kill it- but how will they keep the price down? They could cut some storage, or the dock, or... Maybe the power isn't all we might hope for. There's absolutely some technical wizardry to come, to maintain what I expect to be a $400 pricepoint.
I think you forget that the chip shortage did not really come to an end until last year. Nintendo according to all counts had intended to have a mid season refresh for the Switch in the form of the OLED but could not get the chipsets they needed back in 2021. So Nintendo is neither unaware or negligent about the Switches performance woes in the last few years it is just fate had other plans form them. Nintendo has to make sure the Switches successor has a Breath of the Wild type of draw to release with the system and obviously that won't be ready until early 2025.
Slight bump is insane when hardware leaks show that it's gonna be comparable to a Steam Deck, which is about on par to a PS4. Plus dlss is going to help a lot. You are underselling the jump. 😊
People don't buy iphones for gaming The steamdeck sold about 3-5 million units 25 times less than the switch The ps5 is going to hit a decline after this year
At this point, I’m just glad that Nintendo has been so conservative with its generational hardware bumps. Looking at the rest of the industry and how studios and companies have been breaking their backs to keep up with their perception of audience expectations and the standards set by these leaps in hardware, and how they’ve had to heavily monetize every miniscule thing to recoup costs on these insane development pipelines, Nintendo is comparatively sitting very pretty.
Their quality is largely consistent, as is their release schedules (aside from this year, considering the next console has potentially been pushed to next year).
This year is yet to be written.
Having a console that isn't sold at a loss and games that aren't developed at a loss helps a lot. Nintendo just generally doesn't believe in the loss leader model and have conditioned consumers to expect that you get good content when you pay for it.
This year has 6 first party titles
@@agromchungand this is why I typically only buy Nintendo's consoles rather than the others. If it is raw power that I want, my PC can deliver that in massive quantities, but one thing it can not do officially is play Nintendo games, and it wouldn't support Nintendo's efforts in any case. Besides, it has often been my experience that Nintendo games usually play best on Nintendo hardware even when emulation is used, and so I usually stick to emulating Nintendo systems on newer Nintendo hardware anyway.
I'm so want Switch 2 ASAP ! Already played my Switch Lite >1,000 hours with Fortnite, TOTK, BOTW, Hogwarts Legacy, Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen, Final Fantasy 12 Zodiac Age, Mortal Kombat 11 ❤. I WANT A SWITCH 2 NOW NINTENDOOOOOOOO
Underrated Nintendo UA-camr. Quickly becoming a favorite of mine
Console generation across the board have gotten less and less impressive that Nintendo is actually the only one doing anything interesting by getting more out of seemingly outdated tech. The fact I can play Tears of the Kingdom on what is basically a 10 year old tablet in terms of power is way more impressive than anything on the other current and vastly more powerful system.
The problem with this argument is that Tears of the Kingdom seriously struggles to run on the Switch, rarely running above 20 FPS consistently. Nintendo is too far behind the technology curve with the Switch, since it bears the burden of being the home console and not just the handheld.
I think one factor that wasnt touched on was cost. Part of the appeal of using stale tech is value, in the last 10 years processing power has declined in price rapidly. With the next Nintendo console lagging a bit in time since the PS5/XBoneX they'll have more margin to play with to either give us more power or deliver at a competitive price
I don't know why people like to down play the power of the GameCube. The game cube was leagues more powerful than the ps2and only barely behind the xbox
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yeah man no one way is RE4 gonna work on a ps2
@@pkbasisThere are a lot of cutbacks on the ps2 version.
I wonder if those tiny discs were actually more expensive than normal DVDs😂
Whats funnier is PS2 was promoted as so powerful Iraq imported several to use as a guidance system of their missiles. Which was dumb. But it was promoted as news in an early example of viral marketing.
Honestly, the staying a gen behind the competitors has a major benefit in another way, allows 3rd parties to double dip releases from last gen that would have not been able to run on switch or run well wiithout huge downgrades to be ported over. This actually encourages a lot of releases early in the life span since you will see a lot of PS4/xbox One\pc titles being sent over to really bolster the library while Nintendo is still working on getting their first party releases. Also these ports allow 3rd parties time to learn the hardware and get more efficient at it.
Don’t really see Nintendo as a “power” company and am glad about it, since they aren’t trying to be a pc like the competition, they have their unique quirks and Gimicks which make them one of the few left “consoles”
Consoles don’t need to have dumb gimmicks like the Wii or Wii U. Nintendo investes all their money into gimmicks instead of competent hardware.
@@ZackSNetworkI understand what you mean, but at the same time if you want power, get a pc. It’s infinitely upgradable, and can be used for other things.
Absolutely agree. The only real noteworthy downside to Nintendo consoles being generally weaker than the competition's systems is that it really limits the quality AND quantity of third party support, something that they've struggled with for a few generations now. I've always seen Nintendo systems as complimentary consoles, I had a Wii U/Switch alongside my PS4 and currently have a Switch, PS5 and Series X. While the Switch's third party support is far better than previous gens, in a lot of cases (though not all), the Switch versions of games can be fairly worse due to the hardware. This doesn't really impact me, and it might not for a lot of people, but there's still plenty of people that only buy Nintendo consoles that probably WOULD play an Elden Ring or an Armoured Core or a Call of Duty IF the hardware was capable.
How you only have 5.5k subscribers is beyond me. Fantastic, original content.
In terms of the very credible hardware leaks for what SoC the Switch 2 is using, it does indeed seem like it'll be around the PS4 region of performance, but the handheld PC hardware market is also an important factor - no matter how much you spend on a Steam Deck competitor with more powerful hardware, they generally still converge at roughly the same performance level if you want 'reasonable' battery life as a result of hardware power limits.
Nintendo will absolutely want to target higher battery life even at the cost of performance, which puts, in terms of plausible mobile hardware at a *best case scenario* around the Steam Deck performance. Any more and it'll ruin battery life and production cost. For Nintendo? IMO, that's more than enough power. Especially if they have some ML scaling from nvidia for docked play.
But they would still have to ditch the joy cons and increase the battery capacity and size.
I suspect that the Super Switch is going to be an interesting mix of behind the curve raw power and close to cutting edge features. With for example the raw performance to hit 1080p60, but with hardware accelerated ray tracing functions and hardware designed from the ground up to work with DLSS. So I think it's going to be very difficult to do a direct comparison to other devices by its on-paper performance numbers.
Much like people compare the Switch to the PS3 but the far more modern chipset and the higher amount of RAM let it do things the PS3 couldn't do, yes. I think a similar situation where Switch 2 is roughly similar in some ways to the PS4 but actually designed around compatibility with modern game engines like UE5 and with a more modern chipset meaning it's actually going to be way easier to downport games designed for PS5/XBox Series to Switch 2 than to their older consoles just because Switch 2 was designed with modern engines in mind.
It's a matter of tech, anything too strong, like 4K 120fps, is not likely to be used for a portable console, the power source would have to be way larger, which means the console itself would be too big and unwieldy for a portable machine.
So no, most likely we aren't getting anything too big when it comes to a power jump, consistent 720p handheld and 1080p in dock? Sure that is something modern tech can handle without having to scale the components too much, but I don't see 4K being something likely.
I suspect we'll see a lot of crossgen titles (Elden Ring, for example) running at 1080p with some upscaling and occasional games running at 4K if they aren't too demanding, like the next 3D Mario or Mario Kart. The reported 1080p screen on the handheld is probably going to development slightly easier because devs can match target resolution between TV and handheld much easier.
@@agromchungI don't think 4k makes any sense at all. If anything maybe 2k (maybe not even real 2k but ai upscaled). Just perfecting 1080p seems like the best choice. Make it be able to do anything in 60fps, with great lighting, but not a resolution monster.
It might support 4k 60hz HDMI output for Netflix and maybe for DLSS or crisper text as there is no big performance penalty. If DLSS is not used different upscalers could be used e.g. FSR1 or a custom Nintendo upscaler.
Anyone into gaming is super keen to see what Nintendo can do with a PS4 level of tech. It doesn't need to be PS5 lol.
Especially with dlss on top of that
Honestly, I feel like Nintendo just doesn't want to have to start shelling out the 100's of millions of dollars for 16k textures and ultra-high detail models and levels like what sony and microsoft have been forced to do.
Halo: Infinite cost $700 million to make, while Breath of the Wild cost around $60 million, which we know because one of the directors said "We need to sell 1.5 million units to break even". Which would be around 60-70 million dollars. =\
Keep in mind that Breath of the Wild has sold about 3 times the copies as Halo. Microsoft isn't making money, guys. O_O
Textures are far from the most expansive things in gamedev. In fact, cost of assets are probably dropping, as new, more capable production tools are reaching the market.
What you are referring to with your Halo example is most likely incompetent management/dev hell/bad planning... No normal game project should balloon this close to the billion mark.
@@GerardMenvussa Honestly, that's what I hope is the real truth behind this stuff. It'd be kinda sucky in Nintendo turned into Sony and released one title every 2 years. =P
I'd just like to note that --
Nintendo is the only hardware manufacturer that is partnered up with NVidia.
Why does this matter?
Well because NVidia has made some very interesting but very proprietary (I.E.: Other developers are not legally allowed to make something that works similarly) technologies in frame generation and upscaling. So even if raw-computational-power wise the Switch's successor might not be that powerful (and it should be noted that historically, AMD GPUs, which are used by the other consoles, have had more raw horsepower than the NVidia ones in the PC Space--) -- It'll probably push out some very impressive visuals & higher framerates off the back of NVidia's proprietary frame-generation tech (again, see the stuff NVidia GPUs have been doing on the PC space, as compared to the AMD/Intel competition).
That said, I'll be surprised if the Switch's successor is just "A Switch but more powerful". Nintendo doesn't like doing _normal things_ -- They like to surprise everyone with a left-hook of weirdness.
The GameCube was probably the most normal thing they ever made, and even that had a very unique controller, a unique disc format, and some oddball features, yanno?
I disagree. Nintendo innovated, primarily due to Iwata. He's gone now, so I see Nintendo going the way of Sony and MS
A Switch 2 with PS4-level raw power, but a far more modern architecture and tech, including stuff like DLSS would approach ballpark PS5 level tbh, and ensure most, if not all 3rd party games would be able to come to the system, adjusted to varying degrees.
4:10 I thought link was twerking 😂
I'm so want Switch 2 ASAP ! Already played my Switch Lite >1,000 hours with Fortnite, TOTK, BOTW, Hogwarts Legacy, Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen, Final Fantasy 12 Zodiac Age, Mortal Kombat 11 ❤. I WANT A SWITCH 2 NOW NINTENDOOOOOOOO
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Clearly, this WAS as capable as the n64. Have you seen Mario kart ds compared to Mario kart 64? It looks so much better, probably an effect of equal hardware but more time to develop and optimize.
I was going to say this - full 3D models rather than sprite, and DS games tended to have much higher res textures.
Also the GBA was somewhere between a SNES and a PS1 - games like Rayman would never have run on the SNES and the GBA had a lot more games that used polygonal graphics, that ran with much better performance than the SNES
@@scruvydom it was a 32 bit system after all
A bit shakey honestly. Switch launched with 4 y/o Maxwell architecture (2013, launched in 2017). It's likely going to have 2020/2021 technology, so mobile Ampere, in 2025, we'll see what power envelop etc, maybe 20-25W I guess, possibly 30W if we're really lucky
Some people say that the switch 2 should be more powerful than the ps4. But have you seen the graphics of the PS4? Most PS5 can also be played on the PS4. Most of Nintendo's franchises are either cartoony or like an anime they don't need that much power
The ps4 is 11 years old the hardware inside is close to 15 yeah it can be made portably
@@saintlugia The power of the PS5 is only used to make the games graphics look more realistic. Because Nintendo games are always cartoony or like an anime, the PS4 level of power would be more than enough
@@joopvanhedel1372Says who you your not a game developer nor do you know anything about technology.
One of the big leaps from PS4 to PS5 is rendering and loading times. That's an advance I hope the next Nintendo System will also have.
@@ravenebony2267 I'm not a tech expert, but don't loading times improve massively just by having an SSD? If the switch 2 has one, that should help it on its own quite a bit.
It does seem like the general consensus online is that the Switch 2 will be around the PS4/PS4 Pro, which I think is absolutely perfect. The reality is that, more than ever, Nintendo doesn't need to chase cutting edge technology. To this day, there are only so many PS5 exclusives and many of the biggest titles in recent years (e.g. RDR2, Resident Evil 4 Remake, Baldur's Gate 3, God of War 2018 and God of War Ragnarok, Marvel's Spider-Man, Final Fantasy 7 Remake and so-on and so-forth) are cross-gen titles that are also available on the PS4. The Switch 2 "only" needs to be as powerful as it needs to tap into this wellspring of gaming. Sony is currently working on a PS5 Pro and opinions online right now are that it doesn't even feel necessary as it feels like the 9th gen has even started yet (a problem that Nintendo has avoided completely with their absolute constant stream of games). Even better, because the Switch 2 is reported to benefit from Nvidia's DLSS and upscaling technology, the Switch 2 has a certain level of future-proof that the OG Switch doesn't. It'll continue to look BETTER overtime as Nvidia improves their algorithms. It's also important to state that the Switch 2 likely will not "just" be as powerful as a PS4/PS4 Pro simply because it's been ten years on. It'll have a more modern CPU, more RAM, significantly faster loading times, and the aforementioned DLSS that the PS4 could only dream of. All this is say that, while the Switch 2 is likely to be around a PS4/PS4 Pro on paper, the actual experience is likely to be higher. Likely higher than a Steam Deck which doubles as a portable PC and perhaps as high as an Xbox Series S console. All this is to say that Nintendo's methodology is about to pay huge. An affordable $400 handheld console with PS4 Pro power that can tap into most of the most popular games of recent times and have a level of futureproof with DLSS is going to make it a very strong console for the next ten years.
Especially with how hardware improvements have been beginning to slow down, I could see nintendo relying on older hardware for better battery performance.
people always think nintendo likes to hold back but it's more trying to hit a performance metric within a set cost. they will go as far as they believe is necessary to ride out the rest of the gen. Now that they've combined their hardware divisions tho, I think nintendo has to and think they realize that you need a certain level of performance nowadays especially if u want third party Support. Nintendo went hard on third party this gen as they realized the value of it. In order to keep as much as possible, they'll have to of course have hardware that is desirable and applicable. Nintendo will likely try to reduce cost as much as possible but instead of them dictating what's good enough, now they have to reach a specific threshold within those metrics. No one expects a hybrid device to be on par so as long as it's a gen behind, that is satisfactory for developers and consumers.
the problem with the switch was I think it was just shy of performance metrics that nintendo should have gone for imo. It wasnt just that it couldnt hit higher fidelty or fps but even the targets that were set, something to ride out the rest of the gen. As stated, this time around nintendo has tech like AI that will help keep their next console competitive and even when the ps6 and next xbox come, stick around for a bit longer.
This time will be funny, because most games for PS5 still come out for PS4. So a PS4+ level would be quite something. What I would love to see, is that handheld version is underclocked to save battery life, but full speed when docked. I think now Nintendo is big enough to tackle this. We should not forget until now they were more like a smaller business fighting with gods like Microsoft and Sony.
Huh? Nintendo was big a bunch of times. They dominated the retro market, then their sales dwindled in the home console market but they still had a firm grasp on the mobile console market, then they had massive success in the casual era of the Wii and the DS, the Wii U was their biggest fall so far and then the switch was huge success, one of their biggest. They've always been a big player in the gaming market, even if both Sony and Microsoft benefit from gaming being just one of their business divisions.
In regards of power, I think Nintendo will still be quite conservative because of battery management. Having a cooling fan inside the Switch was a solution at the time, but it consumes a considerable amount of battery life and made the console a bit bulky (specially the first model).
With the next Switch, I can see them ditching the cooling fan out of the unit and use passive cooling through some holes in the back of the unit. This will not only make battery life a bit better on a regular model, but also will give space for a Lite model (seriously, look up how much space a cooling fan and a cartridge slot take on a Switch Lite; I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being digital-only).
When docked, a cooling fan built into the dock could send air through those same holes and send cold air directly to the chipset, so there still should be a significant upgrade in power when docked.
If I had to guess, the next generation will have its own name and be available in two models; a $300 "Lite" model that's pocketable and digital-only, and a $400 "Switch" model that can be dockable, has a bigger screen/battery and Joycons.
Nintendo's philosophy for hardware has been one I've been very welcoming of especially in my adult years. I just cannot justify the purchase of a PS5 still and I want one for some of its exclusives, but it's a small number now. I have more mileage out of my PC when I support it. I don't even consider the Xbox anymore, because why? It's games are all on PC now. No need. Nintendo's consoles are generally affordable and easier to buy. I have one Switch for each of our players (3 total). That's also great for Nintendo, but I could barely get one PS5.
For the record, why have I bought the same system 3 times versus 1 and 1 for a Switch and PS5? Because I'm not the only one who wants to play the Switch, and my wife. I would only have bought one for my wife but probably not my son if the systems were more expensive. Thankfully they are very affordable and both of them still play all the games we have because majority of purchases are physical. If I was primarily digital owner it may also have been different.
i could not tell what this video was gonna be about from the title and thumbnail
Are you joking?
@@XgamerdaveXno, i'm not joking. "power" is a really general term, and the title and thumbnail say nothing about consoles
I looked at this video 3 times before I realized what it was about.
Totally agree. I expect the new console to be around ps4 level in terms of the player experience. Which would be a generational leap over the switch. I’d be totally happy with that. Anything extra would be a Brucy bonus.
It's weird that people keep saying "Mild jump in power" and saying "PS4 level" at the same time. A PS4 level Switch successor would be 4-5x stronger than the current Switch. It'd be a pretty major jump. (FWIW I think PS4 level is the most likely endpoint given how much mobile tech has advanced in the last 7 years and...that's fine! That'd be a really beefy handheld)
I also think people are severely overestimating the jump from PS4 to PS5, the majority of PS5 games could theoretically run on PS4 with minimal downgrades.
@@Crafty_boy70I think the console market have changed since PS4. Instead of third party game dev needing newest tech for most of the game, instead console manufacturers wanting the dev to make enhancement to sell their hardware. I think 1.5 tflops would be enough for most dev, hence they are continuing to support PS4/Xbox one. Therefore, Nintendo is likely not going beyond the sweet spot which is very easy to reach and my disbelief in the t239 rumours. 2013 tech would be more than enough, even if the projection is 2015 for their patterns.
For comparison, the steam deck is a bit behind the ps4 and the rog ally is a bit ahead of the ps4.
I don't think the Rog Ally is a good comparison since it's not as optimized as the Switch or even the Steam Deck. It's mostly due to Windows being it's default OS.
@@unsac3868 The specs of the ally are actually better than a series s, but it's constrained by power and bad optimization. I am comparing typical performance you would get out of an ally, not the specs underneath. If nintendo used the components of an ally and optimized the hell out of it we could get ps4 pro/series s quality games on the go.
@@danielgrezda3339Yeah, but the Z1 Extreme makes for a shit battery life and a bulky device. Nintendo would want to position the Switch 2 as the Game Boy to the PC handhelds' Game Gear or Lynx.
Considering how horribly stunted the 9th generation of home consoles turned out, a (fully expected) leap to around PS4 levels of performance would put Nintendo in direct competition for a good number of multiplatform releases, especially considering Sony's own recent stats indicating that about half of active PS players are still on PS4 themselves, as well as Square Enix's statements about PS5 exclusivity holding them back. And it's not even that different from the launch of the Switch, with the Nintendo hybrid system still being a full generation behind the "competition", yet that's going to mean even less now than it did then because the "impossible ports" of yesteryear are standard procedure today.
I don't get this talk about hardware generations. Right now it seems like a potential successor has 2 main limiting factors: One being mobile battery life which dictates what other components can be in the hardware and the other is the prize tag for the consumer (which I can't see Nintendo ever going beyond 400€/$ to be honest).
Time for some swag looking Nintendo games!
Im curious on what you think on the prospects for virtual reality with the console. I think nintendo labo along with nintendos history with the wii and then their more advanced rumble with the joycons shows they are at least interested in the idea. Do you think this console will have any virtual reality prospects?
I agree and I did a video or two on this last year. Given that even the Switch is VR/AR adaptable, I'm sure they will think about it. Nintendo have a lot of history with stereoscopic 3D and other tech that could usefully transfer. MP4 and Mario Kart would be great launch titles for VR and Pokemon Go shows the potential in the AR space. The "Switch Attach" rumour is interesting to me because a beefier Switch but with the gimmick that it can attach to a range of peripherals including a VR headset makes perfect sense. I don't think, like 3DS, it will be their core selling point though as they want to encourage social play and motion sickness with VR seems to be a particular issue in Japan.
@@nintendoforecast my conspiracy theory for the switch attach vr is that metroid prime 4 has been pushed back for so long as the metroid prime gameplay is almost perfect for the vr setting. Nintendo would likely need to spend a ton of development time on making a vr engine. Nintendo's announcement that Prime 4 development was pretty much scrapped and restarted pretty cleanly lines up with when switch 2 development likely ramped up internally. I suspect Prime 4 has been planned for the switch 2 since. This would give the team ample time to upgrade the engine internally. Whether or not it would be for vr, I don't know, I at least think they will try with Metroid prime sort of like how the resident evil games have vr modes. The whole aiming the wii mote at the screen just naturally translates.
I hope its as powerful as a steam deck that seems a good point for the handheld market, then when docked that bit more powerful.
Nintendo wants profit margins. So the chip will be small and easy to fab. Nothing bleeding edge.
Secondarily, Nintendo prioritizes battery life and low heat. The Switch’s chip was underclocked compared to what it could do.
Maybe at this point, a decent ARM chip could be comparable to the Steam Deck. Probably a bit less. Nvidia’s DLSS could be the wild card, but it seems very un-Nintendo…
It’s also worth noting that gaming hardware hasn’t really gone down in price in any meaningful way in the last 4-5 years.
Also remember Nintendo probably won’t be selling Switch 2 on hardware power.
Yeah 10 years behind seems about right for modern nintendo. But i think theyd do better if they went with a Wii U Gamepad or Steamdeck size. Lets be real, if it doesnt fit in your pocket it might as well be the size of a tablet. The switch is too big to be truly portable, you might as well just make it bigger bc we only use handheld mode in bed or on the couch.
Buddy, don't listen to the guy in the video. That's the most dumbest thing I have ever heard. You can't be 10 years behind like that. If that's the case then switch 2 wouldn't have dlss or ray tracing. I get he is saying that from a power perspective but he doesn't understand what he is saying. Right now we don't have the power of PS5 in handheld or mobile form. It just isn't possible right now. It isn't because Nintendo is waiting 10 years.
@@switchitup3709 you just missed the whole point. The parts that make the whole are irrelevant. What we're doing is making a comparison on a holistic view. Visually, the quality of Nintendo games is comparable to games that came out a decade earlier. That's what hes referring to.
@RiqMoran I get it, and it is absolutely still wrong. He is trying to basically use the "lateral thinking with withered technology." He even says Nintendo waits for 10 years before using advanced technology, and with the Switch, it isn't simply true. The Switch processor was the most advanced tech when it came.
It's not that I have low expectations for whatever Nintendo's next console could be, It's that I no expectations at all. Because nothing's confirmed yet, unless someone decided to spy on Nintendo of Japan.
Are you the dude from Insert Disk?
No. Looks like it's a good channel though.
Ah. So is yours! You guys just have a similar accent (to my untrained ear) and a good sense of insight. Nice channel,@@nintendoforecast
I like the metric of ‘tech years behind’ - but I do think this analysis is actually overly pessimistic for the Switch 2s chances.
If you’ve been following the rumors closely, we now have a pretty damn good idea of the chip that will be in the next Switch - and it will be using tech from the Nvidea 3000 series (including DLSS upscaling (which will be incredibly useful) and raytracing (which given the power budget, probably for the most part won’t be)) but down-clocked for similar raw performance to the PS4.
However, the Switch was already capable of playing games from the PS4 era, albeit with major graphical compromises. There are credible rumors that people were shown footage of BotW running at 4K 60fps, and the Matrix Awakens Unreal Engine 5 demo running on target Switch 2 hardware at a game show a couple of years ago - things the PS4 simply wouldn’t have been able to run.
It seems likely that the next Switch will be capable of providing experiences that would have been impossible to run on the PS4 generation, and will be able to play current gen games - again, with significant graphical compromises to get there.
He doesn't know what tech years mean. You're not ten years tech behind on the Switch 2 because of raw power. Raw power doesn't work like that. Nintendo CAN'T get the PS5 power because there is no mobile chip that powerful out in the market.
Sure, but he makes it clear that he's talking from an experiential point of view, rather than a strictly technical one. And experientially, the Switch 2 will have modern hardware features that will allow it to play a number of PS5 generation games, but because of the power constraints of the mobile chip - it will obviously run these games with significant downgrades.
This is basically the exact same situation as the OG Switch, which had a modern-ish GPU with a lot of the feature set of the PS4 / Xbox 1 chips - and could therefore run games on contemporary engines like UE4, all the Id Software stuff etc - just with big performance and graphical downgrades.
If anything, the Switch 2 could make things more interesting because its Nvidia chipset is going to have some major feature benefits over the AMD chips inside the X Box Series and PS5 consoles. Balanced against its significant deficit in raw performance, it's going to make for some very interesting comparisons when it comes to cross platform titles. I wouldn't be surprised if some games end up looking significantly better than on the Series S for instance, because of superior upsampling and Ray Tracing performance.
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@scruvydom the fact that he says Nintendo literally wait 10 years shows he doesn't quite get it. When you take a look at the Switch actual SOC it had some of the latest stuff in gpu technology at the time and had features even what the PS4 and Xbox one didn't have and fine, let's give him grace for what he says but "lateral thinking with withered technology " philosophy is dead with the Switch. Thinking about it. Yeah. You can sat that philosophy worked once with the Wii. However, it failed with the Wii U. The Switch, in a way, abandon that philosophy and it succeeded.
@@switchitup3709 In terms of raw graphical rendering power, it was roughly a decade behind what was technically possible for home consoles upon its release. Any other features it may have possessed are superfluous to the conversation because that was literally his main point.
@Jalex0021 but that's a massively inaccurate way of looking at it. You can't say Nintendo is waiting 10 years if the technology isn't there in the first place. Ten years ago there was never a mobile processor on the level of the PS4. Think about it. You mean to tell me if there was a processor, right now, as powerful as the PS5 that Sony wouldn't have made a hybrid model instead of a traditional console? Also, what feature it has does count as that's what the differences is between last gen and this gen. Ray tracing is what separated the 9th gen from the 8th gen.
I thought this video was gonna be about Power over shutting down things lol
Let’s hope it ends up around the level of a PS4 Pro or even the beefy Xbox One X, plus some modern AI support to make it feel truly modern. I want some nice pretty third party games that down look like turd lol. (Little Nightmares for example… not super demanding, but still a challenge to get 60fps at a decent resolution. Bit of RT would be nice.)
Wii U was slightly better than 360 so around 6 years old tech.
Switch has ports not far off base Xb1, so around 4-5 years.
Switch soc in 2017 was a top of the class mobile hardware and was 2 years old (and a lot more advanced that what you may find in PS Vita and even PS4 or XOne for some aspects).Comparing the performance of mobile hardware with desktop hardware is like comparing apples to oranges. Would you say that Steam Deck in 2022 was 10 years old in performance? It would sound stupid...
Your are confusing a lot of differenti things... 3DS was ancient mobile hardware in 2011... Same as all the handhelds Nintendo produced before Switch and Switch Lite.
Same for the Wii that was a generation behind at day one and even if Wii U was a big leap, it used a 4 years old GPU and an ancient 11 year old CPU (even if revamped).
You have to compare things in a better way.
Hmm not really. Game boy came out in 89 you compare it at the end of its life then compared everything else at the beginning of their life. But I get your point.
The game boy was about five years behind the Nes. It was gonna get replaced probably but then Pokémon happened and they didn’t have to.
I wonder will the next Nintendo console to be a 4K or an even better HD console I mean I want 4K but if they give us AI upscaling with higher HD resolution I'd be happy it's just I do want to see Nintendo in 4k I'm not saying it's because of the PlayStation 5 or even the Xbox series it's just it would be nice to have a 4K Nintendo console nobody laughed at me at this I just wonder if it is HD or a higher booster console either way I'm still buying the console I love Nintendo also Persona 6 better look good I heard that might be coming to Nintendo's next console and please make Pokemon look way better cuz what they look like now they really need to fix Pokemon
No periods? Or commas?
Whoops my bad I forgot to do that I feel like an idiot sorry about that
The Switch is only as weak as it is because it's portable. So it stands to reason the that a hybrid with power equivalent to a PS3 would be succeeded with a hybrid with power equivalent to a PS4. It just makes sense
@@StarmenRockall? Not really true. The switch 2 will be the biggest jump since the Wii to Wii U jump regardless though. First actual graphical leap for Nintendo in 12 years. Will be great.
@@StarmenRockyou just don't know what you're talking about
PS4 pro I hope.
The Power of the Switch was more than the Wii U which was more than the PS3.
@@StarmenRockThe Super Nintendo, the N64 and the Gamecube were all more powerful than their direct competitors. However, from a commercial standpoint they were all disappointments with diminishing returns for each successive generation. It seems Nintendo consoles only sell when they have less power than the competition. Hence, the direction Nintendo has followed since the Gamecube, the stats are clear as day.
What bothers me the most about nintendo and their console power right now is that they don't seem to realize (or maybe they don't care) that for the past 3 years, their high-end games have been chugging on their hardware. Badly. Bayonetta 3, Xenoblade 3 and TotK all have significant framedrop and rendering issues, especially on portable. I don't really mind Nintendo being behind the game by a few years. I can go to my PC or my PS5 for a more rich experience in that regard. I do mind when their own games are held back or outright hurt by this behavior. And this is to say nothing of the fact that I no longer buy third party games on the console because the portability factor just doesn't matter when the games don't run.
The one thing everyone should keep in mind when talking about the Switch 2's power is pricing. Successful consoles, every single time in history, have been sold at a reasonable price compared to their competitors. Nintendo has also no doubt seen the failure of the PS5 and taken note of the lack of market for high-end dedicated machines. So they know that making the console cost too much will kill it- but how will they keep the price down? They could cut some storage, or the dock, or... Maybe the power isn't all we might hope for. There's absolutely some technical wizardry to come, to maintain what I expect to be a $400 pricepoint.
DLSS
@@paintfatpurple7394Is not a magical cureall. It makes for some pretty big risks with thermals, and the switch already has a venting problem as-is.
I think you forget that the chip shortage did not really come to an end until last year. Nintendo according to all counts had intended to have a mid season refresh for the Switch in the form of the OLED but could not get the chipsets they needed back in 2021. So Nintendo is neither unaware or negligent about the Switches performance woes in the last few years it is just fate had other plans form them. Nintendo has to make sure the Switches successor has a Breath of the Wild type of draw to release with the system and obviously that won't be ready until early 2025.
@@ShinjiduoEarly 2025 the earliest.
I think it will be a bit below the PS4. I sense it in my bones.
If the switch 2 can match a steam deck, i'd be thrilled
This is cope. The next switch will be a slight bump from the first which was outdated the moment it launched.
Slight bump is insane when hardware leaks show that it's gonna be comparable to a Steam Deck, which is about on par to a PS4. Plus dlss is going to help a lot. You are underselling the jump. 😊
ps5 new iphone 15 pro steam deck are killing Nintendo
Nintendo has sold more Switches this year than Steam Decks have sold in their entire lifetime so far.
People don't buy iphones for gaming
The steamdeck sold about 3-5 million units 25 times less than the switch
The ps5 is going to hit a decline after this year
@@Crafty_boy70steam deck 2 is rumored to come out soon
@@saintlugiawym ps5 is in decline? You know that ps5 pro is coming soon right?
@@Crafty_boy70 Ignore him he's a bot.
So Switch 2 will effectively be a steamdeck
Vr time