If a mini split is installed properly it shouldn’t need regular maintenance and would be more efficient than a ptac. Lots of mini splits on both coasts with milder temps so room control becomes more efficient than whole house hvac.
Does your gas supplier charge you for the hookup every month? I like the idea of a dual fuel setup like this but I don’t want to pay every dang month for the luxury
That's a great point and I want to add that as more people are incentivized to move to heat pumps, inductive cooktops, and heat pump water heaters and dryers, the gas utilities will need to increase hookup fees to maintain the gas network. Or maybe some will instead let maintenance slide in favor of profits until there's another incident like the Merrimack Valley gas explosion. I live at 40 deg N in a 70s house that was never connected to gas and it stays comfortable with a heat pump from 2018.
Yes it’s a $25 flat rate. Wanted to wait a winter or two to see if I used gas anymore and if not then cut ties to avoid this cost. I’m ok with it at this price for now as insurance but if it goes up then that’ll be it…
$25 x 12 is $300 a year just to be hooked up to the grid. While propane is much more expensive, per unit of energy, you can purchase a tank and own the fuel on-site. Converting a furnace to propane is not difficult and may be worth considering if you decide to keep the furnace.@@yourelectricneighbour3633
Looks like you had 2 different models? One was the NS18 and another one that must be slightly different. Which was the one that failed and was the replacement and new improved model?
Yes that’s accurate. The first unit failed after some warranty work (compressor) but it has a 10 year warranty so they just sent the “updated” model. Not really sure what’s new about it other than Seer2 ratings . Gree Flex unit. So far so good with this one.
@@yourelectricneighbour3633, thanks for the reply! We are just about to have a larger Napoleon - not the NS18 series , the WSE but it looks identical, not sure what the difference is but sure hope it works well.
I'm a professional installer, and my Gree Flexx compressor went out after 4 months. They sent me a whole new condenser, and I installed the new condenser. That was over a year ago. Every manufacturer has some lemons come down the line from time to time. But the warranty is worth it every time.
Did you know they almost perfected the 96% gas furnace and they have bullet proof reliability. "No thanks i want that light duty chinese model where there are no parts available in my country, also like the spinning fan outside in the snow, that doesn't work below -20."
The truth is with a heat pump you need multiple stages with one of them being pure resistive heating that will raise your electrical usage dramatically, especially if you get freezing temperatures in the winter. Plus be aware that you'll be replacing this equipment every 15-20 years depending on your climate.
Not always needed. Some still work as low as -32 f, but it is less efficient at that temp but still more efficient than resistive heating, often around 1.8 times more efficient at 5f but some are more efficient than that at -10. The 1.8 measurement is based on mine, where I use it as supplemental heat and use a 95% efficient boiler.
Another thing that has to be remembered is that a lot of places only go down to 5-10°C during the winter such as where I live (especially nowadays, it used to go below zero °C a couple days per year when I was little, but now it barely goes below 8...). Here, a heat pump makes perfect sense and I just plonked a minisplit in every room, run it with solar, almost free heating, no need for auxiliary heat, and even without solar it's way cheaper than gas and quicker to heat the house than the old hot water radiators.
So that’s only if you have an air handler installed instead of a furnace as a hybrid set up. If you do have resistive heat for sure that’s the highest cost but with a cold climate heat pump shouldn’t be used too often depending on where you live obviously.
@@yourelectricneighbour3633 The issue is when you have multi-zone on the second floor, you're not allowed to run gas up to the attic where the heat pump will live, so you get stuck having a heat pump. So you need to be aggressive with the thermostat on the 2nd floor to keep the heat down during the day and only heat at night.
You have a neighbor with ultra sensitive hearing and I hope he will move away soon. You should have bought a Japanese brand which would last 15-20 years instead of Chinese made Gree.
@@gerryattrik4410 Mitsubishi/Daikin/... are major north amercian japanese brands. Mitsubishi also gets rebranded as the most expensive north american brand heat pumps in their ultra premium range so if you can find distrubitors that do Mistubishi directly you can probably cut out some of the middle man pricing. Installed one and it is both ultra efficient, whisper quiet indoor and outdoor. If you live in a climate with extremes just oversize the unit a bit and get wind/hail/snow covers for it. The most important thing with a winter weather heat pump is you must mount it higher than the snow drift level (wall mount or ground stand) or it doesn't matter how good the heat pump is if it gets starved of airflow.
Good recommendations. My decision was based on price and word of mouth from a neighbor who used this company. Obviously time will tell but I would agree those brands you listed are the Cadillac of heat pumps.
Which makes more sense for apartment? PTAC heater/ac or mini split with heat and ac?
PTAC is loud n ugly. But seems to require less maintenance
If a mini split is installed properly it shouldn’t need regular maintenance and would be more efficient than a ptac. Lots of mini splits on both coasts with milder temps so room control becomes more efficient than whole house hvac.
@@yourelectricneighbour3633 mini split doesn’t need to be cleaned every year or so?
Does your gas supplier charge you for the hookup every month? I like the idea of a dual fuel setup like this but I don’t want to pay every dang month for the luxury
That's a great point and I want to add that as more people are incentivized to move to heat pumps, inductive cooktops, and heat pump water heaters and dryers, the gas utilities will need to increase hookup fees to maintain the gas network. Or maybe some will instead let maintenance slide in favor of profits until there's another incident like the Merrimack Valley gas explosion. I live at 40 deg N in a 70s house that was never connected to gas and it stays comfortable with a heat pump from 2018.
Yes it’s a $25 flat rate. Wanted to wait a winter or two to see if I used gas anymore and if not then cut ties to avoid this cost. I’m ok with it at this price for now as insurance but if it goes up then that’ll be it…
$25 x 12 is $300 a year just to be hooked up to the grid. While propane is much more expensive, per unit of energy, you can purchase a tank and own the fuel on-site. Converting a furnace to propane is not difficult and may be worth considering if you decide to keep the furnace.@@yourelectricneighbour3633
Looks like you had 2 different models? One was the NS18 and another one that must be slightly different. Which was the one that failed and was the replacement and new improved model?
Yes that’s accurate. The first unit failed after some warranty work (compressor) but it has a 10 year warranty so they just sent the “updated” model. Not really sure what’s new about it other than Seer2 ratings . Gree Flex unit. So far so good with this one.
@@yourelectricneighbour3633, thanks for the reply! We are just about to have a larger Napoleon - not the NS18 series , the WSE but it looks identical, not sure what the difference is but sure hope it works well.
If your on propane. This seems to be worth it. Great video.
3 ton in qc installed is 8k less 5400. Will take 10 years to get into my money. Not sure it’s worth it
Sounds like your reputable installers didnt use proper practices when installing....compressors dont just fail literally in the first year......
I'm a professional installer, and my Gree Flexx compressor went out after 4 months. They sent me a whole new condenser, and I installed the new condenser. That was over a year ago. Every manufacturer has some lemons come down the line from time to time. But the warranty is worth it every time.
Did you know they almost perfected the 96% gas furnace and they have bullet proof reliability. "No thanks i want that light duty chinese model where there are no parts available in my country, also like the spinning fan outside in the snow, that doesn't work below -20."
The truth is with a heat pump you need multiple stages with one of them being pure resistive heating that will raise your electrical usage dramatically, especially if you get freezing temperatures in the winter.
Plus be aware that you'll be replacing this equipment every 15-20 years depending on your climate.
Not always needed. Some still work as low as -32 f, but it is less efficient at that temp but still more efficient than resistive heating, often around 1.8 times more efficient at 5f but some are more efficient than that at -10. The 1.8 measurement is based on mine, where I use it as supplemental heat and use a 95% efficient boiler.
Another thing that has to be remembered is that a lot of places only go down to 5-10°C during the winter such as where I live (especially nowadays, it used to go below zero °C a couple days per year when I was little, but now it barely goes below 8...).
Here, a heat pump makes perfect sense and I just plonked a minisplit in every room, run it with solar, almost free heating, no need for auxiliary heat, and even without solar it's way cheaper than gas and quicker to heat the house than the old hot water radiators.
So that’s only if you have an air handler installed instead of a furnace as a hybrid set up. If you do have resistive heat for sure that’s the highest cost but with a cold climate heat pump shouldn’t be used too often depending on where you live obviously.
@@yourelectricneighbour3633 The issue is when you have multi-zone on the second floor, you're not allowed to run gas up to the attic where the heat pump will live, so you get stuck having a heat pump. So you need to be aggressive with the thermostat on the 2nd floor to keep the heat down during the day and only heat at night.
Who the h uses 600 kw pee month. I use like 1800 to 2000 per month. And it cost 150 -220 per month.
that's probably just for the heat pump
What the heck are you running at your house nasa? LOL
You have a neighbor with ultra sensitive hearing and I hope he will move away soon. You should have bought a Japanese brand which would last 15-20 years instead of Chinese made Gree.
Which are the Japanese brands?
@@gerryattrik4410 Mitsubishi/Daikin/... are major north amercian japanese brands. Mitsubishi also gets rebranded as the most expensive north american brand heat pumps in their ultra premium range so if you can find distrubitors that do Mistubishi directly you can probably cut out some of the middle man pricing. Installed one and it is both ultra efficient, whisper quiet indoor and outdoor. If you live in a climate with extremes just oversize the unit a bit and get wind/hail/snow covers for it. The most important thing with a winter weather heat pump is you must mount it higher than the snow drift level (wall mount or ground stand) or it doesn't matter how good the heat pump is if it gets starved of airflow.
@@gerryattrik4410 Daikin and Fujitsu.
@@Prekkersaurus thank you
Good recommendations. My decision was based on price and word of mouth from a neighbor who used this company. Obviously time will tell but I would agree those brands you listed are the Cadillac of heat pumps.