The Sad Story of the Orlando Magic (Post-Dwight Howard)
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2021
- The Orlando Magic have still not recovered from the loss of Dwight Howard. Through a combination of bad trades, questionable draft choices, and unlucky injuries - all of that really hampered their progress. In this video, we take a look at what happened in the post-Dwight era in Orlando, and where they stand today. Enjoy!
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The Orlando Magic are one of the NBA’s premier black holes when it comes to player development!
Go niners!
Me: *Laughs in Kings Fan*
They were.
The kings are the biggest blackhole.
@@doccholo905 at least y’all got de aaron the Magic’s best young star is johnathon issac and fultz
Don't sleep on Game 1 Magic
And the fact they made back to back playoff appearances
@twowayplayer10 yea ik cause issac was injured and iwundu went to the mavs
@twowayplayer10 my bad and fultz was averaging almost 20ppg
@twowayplayer10 12.9 ppg my bad cause i thought he was
But now we can’t do anything cause we have half are team injured
Drafts sabonis trades him immediately and the thunder didn’t want him now he one of the best players in the league
Yea but OKC turned Oladipo and Sabonis into 2 years of PG13 then traded him for 5 frp and Shai. Big W in my eyes.
Not necessarily didn’t want him if you trying to get a superstar in Paul George you had to trade him lol y’all definitely got a great player tho
@@jeremyfu9203 if they used Oladipo and Sabonis correctly, they would have been a championship contender with Westbrook still there in his prime.
Not even top 25 in the league but alright
@@swervo3535 Sabonis is a top 5 center, pretty much sealing him in the top 25.
When they traded Tobias, that’s it - they could’ve had him now as their bonafide sidekick to Vooch
They would've had a decent lil team if they did keep him and V.O. and they developed into what they are now.
@@JayOutDaSipp what about Victor?
Imagine if your finger slipped slightly to the left when you typed V
To be honest, I still think jonothan isaac can become a star, like a defensive player of the year type player that can get 15-18PPG
@@jayherbogaming Lmao my guy the shit you think of, take my like.
give mo bamba some fucking minutes the man has pterodactyl arms and can shoot why isn't even in the sixth man slot
Hes actually very talented and playing very very well in the awful minutes he's getting, he could easily be a very consistent shooter, he needs to be traded
Bamba is not like he is in 2k guys c'mon now. He plays lackadaisical defense he doesn't play PNR that well. Bamba is also super susceptible to injury he's like Frankie in New York very good defense for how young he is but very fragile
@@den.135 i always look on his stats however he's always benched
@@Stoopcrew34 Good defense can be enforced and taught. Lamelo main concern was his defense and he's playing alright and Kuz used to be trash at D but with Vogel he's improved
That's the problem caused by improper development of young players. Most of the rookies haven't get used to defending at the nba level except for those who specialize in defends. They should get at least a sense of positional awareness and then work from there to defend as a team. Coaches should also drill into their head how important is communication and discipline so they can prevent late rotation and unnecesary foul
Well Jonathan Isaac being constantly injured hasn’t helped
lol Mr Glass body he should just retire he's had like 17 different injuries throughout his 4 Yr career
@@lolstfu2950 L
The Magic rushes him back too soon. The front office trying to win games when this team has reached its ceiling and can’t go no further.
@@lolstfu2950 Judah too nice bruh he the next ANDREI kirilenko
there’s no reason for me to be depressed at 12pm on a saturday thank you andy
Just woke up at noon. I’m now depressed. 😂
Lmao this decade will be better for you guys stay strong
@@Delaretro_ I don't think so, unless ownership changes or GM and President with competent guys being hired, Magic fans should demand that and a better player development staff
hope you do well my man
Being an Orlando Magic fan, it’s hard to watch us go from 6-2 in the start of the season to bottom 10 in the East. Injuries have really hindered us and it sucks a lot. But hopefully we can develop Bamba, Fultz, Anthony, Okeke, and Isaac correctly so we can have a premiere starting 5 in the future
Next year is our year man
@@evxnhouse
It's really not lol stop
I feel like these videos for the magic are made since 2014
i forgot how low key this team was so young after they traded away Dwight in 2012 , but yeah Vucevic was really gonna be their franchise guy moving forward
The franchise’s magic turned tragic when they traded Dwight Howard in the summer of 2012
Nice
The Orlando tragic
It's not really that Dwight was trade, rather, who the acquired from that trade.
And dwight has a ring now.
How? They have made the playoffs two years in a row? That’s better then the Knicks
The story of Orlando Tragic.
Hater
They are trash
@@irietropicals4255 I mean you have to be a Orlando fan so you may also be a Washington fan and Charlotte fan and Sacramento Fan shush
Magic have made the playoffs 2 yrs in a row. Not bad for a small franchise.
@@irietropicals4255 I guess but idk if they made it to the semi-finals
Andy is the best NBA story teller
I agree
I agree too.
No doubt.
He should collab with NBA story teller
And JxmyHighRoller
Mo bamba is going to sign with a different team and he will do better
Forgot to sign out of your spambot account?
Hopefully the Hornets pick him up
Exactly. I mostly blame Orlando's inability to develop talent for Bamba's lack of progression. You saw what happened to Victor Oladipo once he got to Indiana.
He recently signed an extension
This is not helping..
The Orlando Tragic...
The sad thing with small market teams is a decent amount of them are mediocre and they don’t want to rebuild because they have a high chance of being bad for a long time because they can’t get good staff because of their market so they don’t want to fall down that path. When you have a team like the knicks who have been bad forever vs the timberwolves who have been bad for a while aswell there is a huge difference. The wolves are in Minnesota and if you are a fan then you may fear that they will be bad for the rest of you’re life so you are ok with them just being ok. If you are the knicks and you are in New York and people want to go there so you don’t fear eternal lottery picks, there is a bright side and a reason to be optimistic.
Kings fan here, can confirm
@@elizabethgeorge168 I’m sorry
Well honestly it has a lot to do with drafting. If a small market team can create a good enough core through the draft they'll eventually be able to compete. Magic just haven't been able to do that.
@@dabalo3995 it does have a lot to do with drafting but they also have to hire a gm and if it’s a good gm they wouldn’t be with a small market team and if they do hit on a pick that player probably won’t want to play in a small market
Yeah the Magic have been ass post-Dwight but recently ever since 2018-2019 season they’ve actually been good, not great but still a playoff team nonetheless. It’s not like the Kings who haven’t made the playoffs since 2006.
That's not really a fair comparison considering the Kings are in the West. There have been plenty of seasons where they would be 6-8th in the East...hell, right now they're at 11th in the West and still better than the East's current 6-8.
They're both small market teams with difficulties developing young talent, coaching issues, & a consistent offense...but that's where the similarities end.
@@elizabethgeorge168 his statement stands. The Kings have largely done it to themselves through awful drafting with the exception of Boogie (now currently making impacts elsewhere) and D’Aaron Fox, who I actually feel bad for. He may never be an All-Star unless he leaves in free agency or gets traded. Apparently Bagley constantly on the verge of being called a bust doesn’t help anything. Legend Of Winning has made a great video explaining this.
@@elizabethgeorge168 Orlando isn't small market
@@elizabethgeorge168 Sacramento being California's capital isn't that small either surprisingly
They actually started pretty decently this year and have made the playoffs twice in a row. Just injuries keep wrecking them
They are barely a playoff team and not even close to being contenders. Need to make a move IMO for a star
Unfortunately, the can make the playoffs, yes, but they can't beat any teams in the first round.
truly tho this franchise really went south when they traded Dwight Howard in that famous blockbuster August 2012 trade , and it took them like 6-7 years later to get back to being playoff contenders again , it was a rough time for this team absolutely no doubt about it
As a Magic Fan, it's depressing, I want to switch teams but the loyalty in me will always root for O-Town 😔
Same dude😭✌️
You always bring great content!
Thank u for the continued awesome uploads Andy! From one NBA fan to another😁
Excellent video Andy.
I remember when this channel had around 100k subs, I’m glad it’s growing and I like how you’ve been making 2 videos a week now
You understand the game very well Andy, great video
One if my favorite channels I always love your uploads
This my favorite team and you hit it right on the head. Perfect analysis
Hey dude I love your content Keep pumping out those NBA videos :-) I always look forward to seeing what your next video is going to be.
I am an Orlando magic fan and have been since the Shaq and Penny days so you know I was all over this video LOL
One little detail: wasn’t Tobias Harris originally with the Detroit Pistons before getting traded to the 76ers? I believe at that time the Detroit Pistons were hoping to develop him alongside reggie bullock and Ish Smith
Is it just me or are your videos getting a lot better? Been watching since early 2018, took me until now to subscribe
kind of hard to be competitive when most your roster is injured
yeah hopefully they'll get healthy soon
I can’t wait for this video to be made about the Clippers in a few years.
Same
The fact that Clippers are based in LA already means they are much better off than most small market teams
@heisnotaxel You’re right.
I feel like you put out a killer video daily. So much awesome content.
i can imagine vucevic on clippers or Boston..he be playin like an all star this season
I just want to see that man on a contender because he’s wasting his career in orlando
@@JohnFKennedy313 yea, but i dont think clippers would trade ibaka since him and kawhi are homies..but if the Celtics found a way to get him lord have mercy
@@samuellach1347 facts bro Celtics got enough young players who not getting any playing time and picks to pick him up. It’d help the magic jumpstart a rebuild with a lot of young talent and let mo bamba play more and develop
The Clippers need a Point Guard not a damn Center
@@abdulz755 As a magic fan, since non of yall are, i can say there is no wasy that vuic gets traded
As a Magic fan, I feel that video...
Same
Good old depression caused by idiots in the Magic front office.
At least Dwight Howard recover and became a nice role player
...After many years of playing and behaving like a dipshit. Whopdie-do!
@@Bale4Bond mans still a hall of famer
When you get called out by someone as great as Kobe Bryant for being soft, that’s really saying something. But I digress, since he managed to redeem himself.
@@JeffersonSteelflexx maybe, but shouldn't be anywhere near a First ballot Hall of Fame-level.
@@Bale4Bond i dont think you understand what makes someone a first ballot hall of famer
As a lifelong magic fan, they've been bad or mediocre team record wise basically every year I've been watching them with a couple of good hopeful seasons sprinkled in between. However, watching and loving them is more for the game and sport than the team. They've had tons of exciting players, even if they don't win games they are fun to watch. Watching TRoss drain 4 threes in a row is incredible, and watching him and Aaron do insane dunks is tons of fun, even if efficiency-wise you know there are much better options. I really don't know any magic fan who expects winning, and instead pretty much everyone just enjoys what they give. Compare that to teams like the lakers, knicks, clippers etc. who's fans expect them to make playoff pushes and sign huge free agents every single season. While I'm sure the players , the coaches and the entire organization wants to win games, people calling them a disappoint because they don't is, in my eyes, a mischaracterization of what magic fans want.
As a Clipper fan, thank you very much for giving us your players.
As a Laker fan, thank you for giving us the head coach. ;)
Great content. They had a good early this season when Fultz is not yet injured. Too bad they easily gave up with their players. They should learn from the past and focus on player development.
man I feel so bad for Fultz, guy has been so unlucky, he was finally starting to show how good he could be and then he got injured.
Andy Hoops is the best channel to watch while you eat
being a heat fan and a miami native, i support the magic cuz yk the team is still in florida (unless there’s a heat-magic series) but tbh this team needs to trade and free mo bamba they don’t wanna play him and don’t wanna develop him
Bro you gotta upload like two times a week bro cuz this shit interested as hell 🔥
Injuries have been huge, losing Isaac and Fultz has been tough.. however, this team has been directionless for a long time with one of the highest payrolls in the league.. They need to get some value for what they have and try to actually rebuild cause the issue is that they are always in that in-between for are they fighting for the playoffs or are they rebuilding...
What's the name of the background music
Please do one on the current Knicks and how good they're playing. Also their assets and picks from Dallas that's gonna a help land is a star or two.
Andy please make a video about Tracy Mcgrady or Allen Houston or Antonio mcdyess
Man this hurts
I swear this vid is more exciting than the Orlando Magic themselves XD
You might be right
i want this music and andy's voice at my funeral.
Andy please do a vid on the knicks
Could you a video on forgotten great duos in nba history?
I dont care about the content, andy hoops make videos i like it in 1s :)))
At 1st glance you’d see it as a small market issue but then there’s teams like the okc who consistently look like a actual decent team even with less talent. In the end it’s always development and the right staff/coach. For example the suns turned their misfortune around and got the right coach for their present team. At a point it looked like Orlando had the same but then you realize the coach isn’t keen on handing out minutes to the young players that theoretically will stay for the long term. This is where development staggers due to a win now mindset that tbh won’t get them that far sadly.
i feel as if everyone they traded away has become better player
Same for the lakers
@@trvspvrk yeah except the Lakers are good
Reminds me of the Timberwolves 😭😭😭
True
They made Fultz better
As a Timberwolves fan I feel their pain..... very similar history (even worse) post-KG....
I feel like you feature this post dwight era of orlando magic every single year..
wake up bae, new andy hoops
I always liked the Magic as a second team to root for but it’s been hell for them the last 8 years. Seeing players like Tobias Harris and Victor Oladipo go succeed somewhere else. Seeing Dwight Howard and Frank Vogel go win a championship with the Lakers. And seeing this season of Jonathan Issac and Markelle Fultz out with season ending injury. Truly want the Magic to succeed as NBA is always fun when small market teams are competitive. It’s time to explode it and start from scratch. Good luck Magic fans, I’m rooting for you
- Lakers fan
As a fan who lives in Orlando and was at the game at 5:22 (video is on my channel) the magic bring me and my friends much fan.
Can you pls do a video abt the Cavs?
Andy pls do a vid on Shane Battier
Hell no
I feel like the Orlando magic needs to trade aoran Gordon and evan Fournier. and trade Nikola vucevic and develop cole Anthony. And build around Anthony.
Fultz > Anthony
@@BabaYagaRacing oh
have fults, anthony, and isaac as their future core
@@uptempo5064 I agree
Don't forget Mo Bamba
It's sad to see Orlando regress over the years. Hope they bounce back in the coming years
Do a video on the new Pistons
Vucevic and Gordon traded for peanuts lol
You were correct about the Hennigan rebuild being a failure but I disagree with everything else. The Magic have had 4 starters out for most of the 2020-2021 season. Show me any team that’s successful under those circumstances.
The Oladipo x Sabonis x Ibaka trade was indeed terrible BUT it did eventually did turn into Ross & Fultz which isn’t a bad correction. Unfortunately Fultz got injured 🤕
Mo Bamba also suffered a serious injury in the form of a stress fracture in his leg. An injury some say takes a full year to recover from. On top of that he’s also one of the few NBA players that contracted Covid-19 and unfortunately for some, COVID has lingering effects. Later on he also had to quarantine due to contact tracing. I believe I heard mentioned somewhere you can’t work out under quarantine. Mo Bamba is just now finally rounding into shape.
Yes the Magic do have a terrible history of player development but when Hennigan got fired, they also fired the entire development staff. I believe even the chefs got fired lol. When they hired WeltHam, they also increased the player development budget exponentially. They hired all new training staff, analytics dept., sports science and brought in the latest state of the art technology.
Before the shutdown last year the Magic were on a stretch of having the #1 offense in the league. You made absolutely no mention of the pandemic as it doesn’t agree with your narrative.
So how do we properly assess the current rebuild under those circumstances? A pandemic that has destroyed all continuity and a string of bad injuries 🤔
My thing is, if we’re going to tell the story, let’s tell the WHOLE story.
A brazilian podcast called Bola presa (jump ball in portuguese) had an inside joke that a monkey was calling the shots in the magic organization, and that was really funny to think the magic is another level of incompetence
do a Pistons video please
You criticize my Orlando Magic?! You’re not my friend anymore!
It’s so crazy the “what if’s” and “up and downs”in the history of the Magic. The team came and landed Shaq and Penny in back to back drafts, had an amazing starting 5. Seem to be Chicago’s new rivals, made the finals, lost, lost the conference finals, Shaq dips, Penny career starts to slip with injuries. Land Mcgrady and Hill, Hill falls with Injuries, T-Mac burst into the best scorer in the league. Land the first overall pick, Tmac demands a trade, draft Dwight, turns into the next coming of Shaq, goes to the finals, lost, trade and got Vince Carter as Dwight’s scorer and floor spacer. Lost in the conference finals, Otis Smith hits the Panic button and trades everything that made the team great, loses in the first round. Went and got Glen Davis to make Dwight stay lmfaooo....Dwight demands a trade....Dwightmare starts.....and trash ever since
Please do a video on the Trail Blazers, and why they're crap right now - thanks.
It's very sad to see the Magic go back to obscurity after 2 brief appearances in the Playoffs but at least the future is bright for this club.
Player development issues are one thing, it's another thing tho when their two best players are stuck in the 2000s. Gordon is just an athlete, doesn't have many pure skills, and Vucevic is too fragile away from the post.
It's not like Giannis with the Bucks or Simmons with the Sixers where even if their shot is off they make up for it beyond just athleticism. They can pass, they can defend, and their speed is ridiculously amazing. It allows the lanes to clog up so that space for their shooters can be created. You don't get that same spacing with AG and Vuc.
As a Magic fan, this video felt painfully necessary
Wait till next year. Top 5 pick combined with our young core of fultz, isaac, anthony, okeke, possibly bamba combined with vooch and t ross. We’re gonna be alright
As a magic fan, it hurts my heart every time the Oladipo trade comes up.
Are they gonna retire the #12 tho?
Good question
Could you do the t wolves pls?
Fultz and Isaac are big ifs. Both have star potential but they’re always injured.
I am a loyal Orlando Magic fan and i agree with parts of this video but I do think we are moving in the right Direction. There have been some bad decisions the first 3 or 4 seasons post Howard trade but since they got steve Clifford they have developed a culture. Yes, they need that go to scorer that can take them to the next level. Think about the Sacramento Kings they have not been competitive for the last 15 seasons until this season. It took Golden state 15 years to become the championship team they became. It takes team and let’s be honest a little luck but the culture is there they just need a little luck. I think if they had there full team they would be too 6 in the east.
As we speak, and as I’m watching this, I’m going to the Magic game tonight against the Bulls... funny how this came up 😂
Fultz has star potential and was showing it this year, unfortunate that he tore his acl
Orlando Pacer Denver and jazz seem to be like teams that always stay the same like there either out the playoffs barley or a lot for one season then back or in the playoffs but lose
i feel so bad for markelle
Youre gunna make this same video on NY in 3 years
the orlando magic are the old kniccs of the association. dwightmare was such a pain in the axx while in orlando. mario hezonja is a bonafide scrubbie.
They did sign Fultz and Isaacs to long term deal. They will be the future for the Magic if and when Vooch, AG and Evan go
Early squad😎😎
No one expect anything on 'em unlike the Thunder before.
Fultz getting injured ruined their season. They have a great record before he got injured.
Jon Isaac gon be dope
Mo Bamba really needs more minutes tbh
For a team like the Magic who are not particularly a prime free agent destination the past decade, it is important that they draft correctly and emphasize player development. The Utah Jazz would be a great template for them (although Utah do not have the high draft picks the Magic has). With the way the Magic develop their players, they could have drafted Giannis himself and he would end up as a bust (Giannis is another example of how a good player development could make a great team)
Orlando Tragic
I hope Orlando will do better next season. Besides, the team needs another Dwight Howard and Hedo Turkoglu.
do detroit pistons next
What was the Magic’s plan on trading for Serge Ibaka? To make him the focal point of the offense???
Its unknown, the GM at the time was trying to save his job and screwed the magic
They could’ve have a starry team with all the people they drafted since Oladipo..... sad management.
The team could be Vucevic - Gordon - Isaac - Oladipo - any PG and hav Sabonis, Bamba, Tobias, Saric and the rest from the bench.
From hearing a lot of his interviews in France, Fournier doesn't really want to be there, for the last 2 years he's hoping to be traded to a contender, he just wants to win. I'm sure he lacks the motivation in Orlando.
As a Raptors fan, thanks again to Orlando for giving us Ibaka
Ibaka is with the clippers but sure
@@isvgemxdz3506 yeah, no shit. But the Magic basically gifted him to the Raptors for TRoss and he became a major reason for them winning a chip two years ago. Context, dude. Context.
When Isaac and Fultz are back they will be better. Not great, but better. Our front office built up the Bucks and Raptors in recent years. I think we’re a lot closer now to contention than people realize if we add another good piece.