Sennheiser HD560s - A Headphone In The Land Of Lost Dreams
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Sound Test Parameters - 7:02
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Treble Response - 14:30
Detail Retrieval - 16:38
Soundstage - 19:48
Overall Sound Signature - 20:14
Value & Conclusion - 24:07
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I have the 560s and I'm LOVING them :)
Just bought these headphones, and I couldn't care less about the cable quality. I use these for very long listening and the disappear completely. I love the sound and couldn't ask for a better set of entry level hifi headphones :)
I have a pair of HD560s, they are pretty damn good! much better than the rest of the 5 series offerings, well worth the money.
@@MichelandOi I thinkThe 560s are for a more analytic listening and made for long sessions as well. Sound is like comfort, it's a very personal subject.
I feel you on that, I bought these and was impressed using cheap DACs and amp's. So much detail that some songs sound different, you pick up on background you never knew was there.
Now I have the AAA 888 so wish me luck
(Edit) : wow the 888 really brings these headphones to life. Even more detail but also I would describe them as smooth. Very enjoyable to listen to no fatigue. I'm an amateur at best in audiophile stuff fyi
A very solid and relatively un hyped headset that punch way above 'entry level '
I am a musican and record and mix my music, mixing is also how Sennheiser marketed these headphones. From a mixing and reference perspective these headphones are great and for the price Exceptional. Arguably you will not get a better mixing headphone for the money, which is what they cost here in the UK. I find it a bit silly you are making out the leads and extras should be better when its clear the cash has gone into the headphone its self and with this price obviously corners have been cut. The newer 400 Pro is the same headphone but with a better finish on the plastic and a better cable for about £50 more. Yes the lead is a bit cheap, but easy to replace if breaks. The headphones are plastic and not the most robust, but are also not badly built.
Soundswise? we can pick and poke and how the highs might be pipped here and the lows there, comparing them to headphones twice or three times the price. But the bottom line is for mixing these headphones are great. They will sound as good as the mixed pumped into them which is what they are suposed to do, not make a mix sound better. I tested them on various mixes including some old rubbish mixes I did and they did the job as a reference headphone. Anyone on a budget and want to mix ballanced and well put together mixes. these will do the job for £140, as long as you do yours.
Reviewer need to get supper pretentious to poke holes in something thats is nothing less than top quality sounding headphones its gets super annoying and bla bla bla but need to make content some how right.. Right?
I grabbed the 560s since the 650s is from $100 or double the price where I am at plus dac and amp. A step up is ridiculously expensive
I currently own the dt 880 pro 250 ohm, Philips fidelio x3, akg k371 and the 560s, enjoy them all but have to say my go to is the 560s really enjoy the sound from these cans.
Do you use an amp or dac?
Dude, come on now. The 560s has a crap build, that´s true, but it is a very good headphone, especially for forward vocal and soundstage lovers, it´s nice for gaming too and it gives you a taste what sennheiser sound means, til you get an HD600, 650.
With your way of testing, every Beyerdynamic is sibilant, non-neutral and full of crap, haha xD
I sold the 650... Horrible thin sounding cans . I prefer the 560s for digital piano
hello. I'm guessing from what you're saying that this wouldn't be ideal for studio use because of all the melding right? I just ordered the AKG K701 solely for mixing. If you have tried it do you think it's a better pair for that use than the HD560s?
Thanks in advance! :D
I think you can use any gear for your professional use, as long as you're happy with its performance. So, while I don't think Sennheiser was remotely truthful about the 560s' abilities, you may still think it works for you. There's no way for me to predict how you'd experience the headphones.
But, objectively speaking, the 560s has a lot of issues that do not justify its $200 price tag.
As for the K701, I haven't heard that. I had the K712 a few years ago; I loved its comfort and fit and finish, but the sibilance was a bit much for me.
As for an alternative to the 560s, it really depends on what you're looking for and your budget. If you want neutral sound in this price range, then it will be difficult. Manufacturers don't produce neutrally-tuned headphones in this price bracket, at least none that I know of. You can get fairly close, however, with various options: Monoprice HR5, Rane RH50, OneOdio Studio Headphones, being a few off the top of my head. These aren't true neutral, but I think perform no worse than the 560s, and none have that ridiculous sibilance spike.
Hello, I am new to the land of audiophile headphones, amp, dac, etc and wanted to know first, what you would suggest for immersive gaming and movie listening experience only for less than $500? After doing research for headphones that seemed to fit this category I found the Argon MK3 Modhouse headphone for large soundstage and bass which I figured would compliment the movie/gaming experience. Am I correct in assuming that those characteristics is what makes for fun, enjoyable, immersive experience for games/movies? Are there other characteristics that would better serve that use case or others that would be better at these two characteristics? Keep in mind I am not that much of a competitive gamer so imaging doesn't need to be perfect, just good enough.
Also, if I were to go with the Argons I have heard from reviews online that they need a lot of power to drive them at their full potential upwards of 6 watts ( I am assuming at 50 ohms which is what is stated as the specs for the original Fostex T50rp headphone, unless the mod has altered this, again I am not sure ). I am also not sure if this means that they will be quieter with less power or if they will lose some of their characteristics resulting in less bass or soundstage etc. but still be loud? Assuming this is the case, are there any amp/dacs that you could recommend for high power to drive these headphones? Keep in mind when searching to purchase these headphones the modhouse website has been sold out of the T50rp variant for sometime which lead me to purchasing the SE version used. This is why when looking for amp/dacs I have tried to find some thing that would be both powerful SE and balanced that way I could immediately use the headphones when I receive them via SE connection but still have the option of sending the headphones in at a later time to have them converted to balanced if it really makes that much of a difference. For amps I was looking at the THX 789 and Schiit Magnius. For dacs I was considering SMSL SU-8 or Schiit Modius so far. I am sorry for the lengthy post, this is the most time I have spent researching products to buy second to building my PC earlier this year due to the current pandemic. I appreciate your time and any response you are willing to give, thanks.
Hi. I'm not much of a gamer, and I try not to comment about how headphones sound during gaming--since I'd show my ignorance. But, I can comment about your post regarding the Argon's performance.
The Argon is a specialty headphone that gets far, far too much hype. It has an aggressive V-shape signature, meaning the bass is significantly elevated along with treble. In my experience, it is quite fatiguing for music. I know that FPS games may benefit from this type of sound signature--but I really wouldn't agree that the Argon is the perfect headphone for any application. As for those who claim that the Argon has large soundstage--that's not accurate. If you're coming from a typical gaming headset or Beats headphones, then the Argon may appear to have wide soundstage. But compared to audiophile headphones, the Argon has average soundstage--and it lacks the ability to present verticality or depth. In other words, instrument placement is not this headphone's strong suit.
The Argon requires a significant amount of power. Underpowered, the Argon's bass is boomy, loose, and the overall sound signature is a bit muddy. Your amp choices will drive the Argon just fine. As for dacs, I wouldn't put too much effort into that aspect. The SU8 is a neutral dac, but I haven't heard the Modius so I can't say what its sound signature is. Regardless, there are far cheaper alternatives to the SU8 that provide neutral sound. If you want to connect your amp to a balanced source, then your options are more limited--leaving you with the SU8, Soncoz LA-QXD1, and Modius, which are all fairly close in price.
I was a bit confused regarding your comment that the Argons need upwards of 6 watts. I don't know who's making such claims, but it is utterly ridiculous. There is no headphone in the world that needs that much power. I know Fostex for their Mk3 versions recommends a maximum of 3 watts, but even that is overzealous. There is a general truism that increasing power alters driver performance--not always, but generally. But at some point there are diminishing returns, and that point is different for each headphone. So, if we take for granted that the T50rp is rated for a maximum of 3 watts, pumping 6 watts into the headphone does not double its performance. In fact, you may either not notice any difference or very little difference.
In fact, I think Modhouse has a far more conservative and reasonable suggestion for power. If memory serves, Modhouse recommends 1 watt at 50 ohms.
I'm sorry; I don't mean to negate your expectations. You may very much enjoy the Argon.
hai what do you guys think if i had dt 900 pro x should i buy more 560s? thanks
So I own the HD6xx and HD599 already (not to mention the 38x, 400s, and HD280 already.). Would there be any reason why I would need to buy these?
I dunno. The 560s does have a different sound than the 6xx, 58x, 579, etc. But it’s nothing exceptional IMO. The only way to be sure is to try it yourself, but I personally didn’t think it was particularly enjoyable.
What was the portable dac amp with the display around 21:30.
Xuelin H6 Tube
Would these headphones be good for classical music or maybe another one in the same ballpark?
Sure
I heard 26 steps (give or take a few) in the first 60 seconds of new light with the m50x. After realizing that the steps were on grass, they were much easier to identify. I really doubt that most people would hear 5 steps with the HD 560S. The most audible step for me was at 0:11
Now, what you think about audioquest Knighthawk $300 only would you recommend now for balanced sound??
I wouldn’t say they have a balanced sound. It’s a warm sound signature and treble is reduced. But, assuming you want that type of sound, $300 is a fair price I think. These are discontinued and if you can buy one in good condition with original box, it’s an audiophile collectors piece if nothing else.
@@NoThemeReviews thanks for reply 👍
The song you mentioned that you tested with multiple layers was "New Life by Kazoo correct?
New Light by Kazukii
@@NoThemeReviews what format were you testing the songs in? I'm trying to reproduce what you talked about
Umm well I hear those in dt 770 pro but I would never knew if those are foot steps. They are more in left ear top left corner at first 60 seconds. Thats what I think. Just did it for fun.
Nobody gives a shit about a cable when the sound quality and comfort is as good as it is. And if the clamp force is too tight at the beginning, leave them on top of something over a couple of nights. The headband will stretch/expand, and they won't be tight anymore, and feel perfect. If you want another cable, there's dozens of aftermarket cables you can buy.
Ah shucks. There ya go. Spend more money fixing Sennheiser’s incompetence. Good idea!
@@NoThemeReviews Fixing? What fixing? There is nothing to fix. If you dislike the cable, you replace it. This goes to lots of headphones, not just these.
@@GW2_Community_Is_Autistic Oh sure there is. I know some of you will make excuses for a product you like, but you don’t have the right to tell anyone else we should put up with shoddy build and bottom barrel accessories-both descriptions which apply to the 560s. We pay good money and expect quality, not the cheap crap these audiophile companies shove and fanboys constantly defend.
The clamp was great from the box for me. You must have a larger than usual head or very sensitive.
Is this an old version? Cause my version doesn't have the adapter like that, just the usual cable with the attached 1/4" adapter
Or you have a tiny head.
Wow !!! Different to the other reviews. What do you think of Sundara and Philips 9600 ??
Sundara is amazing for the price if you can deal with weight and clamp
dID YOU ever put it thorugh it's paces then ? Or the HD650 ?
Don't know who told you what you hear in a live concert is a true representation of music...it's a complete lie....nothing is true representation except what the mixing and mastering engineer heard in his/ her console with the studio monitors for that particular mix.
The rapid decay/ fast transients is actually a good thing for mixing most genre with a pair of open can except EDM or similar ( where there is no rule at all as almost everything is Synth or sample sounds)
I'm not trying to defend Sennheiser at all, their marketing strategy is pure cringe...but in real world studios, this particular headphone will be used a lot for checking mixes by thousands of engineers, big and small.
Don't trust me, visit any studio nearby or speak to a mixing mastering engineer...you will be amazed to know what headphones pros use to check the mixes..no they are not some boutique Austrian/Serbian/ Slovak companies..
I don’t think I’d be surprised by their gear. I avoid making suggestions for artists because I don’t have that experience.
@@NoThemeReviews Please don't get me wrong, you did work really hard for this very good review.
Sennheiser should have marketed it as a tool like headphone in open back category ( like NDH20, HD25 in closed back universe)
Though I've seen people mixing with DT1880 / 990 etc. but with sub-par results. A cheap Sony 7506 can get better results.
I will use 560s as a tool only.
@@Forwhomthebelltolls24 I'd love to see audio engineers test these types of products. There are a few channels that do...but it's rare to find one that goes in-depth with a critical assessment.
@@NoThemeReviews TBH as a part time audio guy ( mostly small indie rock and metal bands in Central and East European countries...nothing major...with only very minor commercial success) can assure you one thing....there are VERY FEW audiophiles in this industry.
Almost every band ( medium to large) use JHA custom monitors for live use, Sennheiser is pushing hard to sell IE40/400 Pros to very few musicians who still use universal IEMs.
It's not exactly the sound quality, but the isolation what live musicians need...I myself have used hd25 for years on stage in smaller gigs...in studio almost everything is done on speakers and few only check their mixes with headphones...but this is only my personal experience.
In US things may be different. Here bedroom producers are big headphone users.
How many footsteps do you hear on Koss Porta Pros?
I have replacement earpads, which alters the sound a bit. But, I hear 5-6 clearly.
Love your candid, professional reviews.
I love their soundstage for gaming and certain music, but I think they sound better with slightly warm DACs, but I use them on Topping L30 and D30 Pro.
What I hate about them is the build quality, the cheap plastic cracks when I tilt my head to the side, and the cable snags on *EVERYTHING,* even on air itself it seems.
The 560s EQs very well due to its low distortion (check ASR review for the details), and since EQ is a must if you're going to get the best sound from a set of phones. Out 9f the box they sound too bright, and a lack of bass. Use the appropriate EQ (I use the presets from Jaakko Pasanen using oratory90 and crinacle FR plots) which transforms them. Couldn't give a damn about plastic build or cable (I own multiple Grado phones, so these are luxurious).
Lol, I bought that same openheart headphone, fantastic look and build, especially for the money. It sounds like a sr 80 cranked to 11 with less detail
Yeah I was pretty surprised with it. It is pretty good value, and it’s unfortunate I haven’t been able to get to the review.
Should I get these or 599?
Great review
Does the 560s wound worse than the 569? I’ve got the 569 and am planning to buy the 560s. But if they sound worse, there’s no point.
They’re different. Better or worse is subjective and only you can say whether that’s true for you. Frankly, the 560s’ significant sibilance spike is quite uncomfortable for me. I can’t use that headphone. It’s gone on sale recently, and I’ve seen lots being off loaded on eBay, so if you choose to buy one, don’t pay more than $100.
569 is back close and 560s back open...
Hi, does the ollos4x or 5x have more sub bass than 560s?
Thank you!
Yes
@@NoThemeReviews thanks
@@NoThemeReviews and the sub bass between the s4x and the s5x is the same ?
@@NoThemeReviews have you ever listened the akg k371 ?
The ollos4x and s5x still have better sub bass?
@@ChrisKeyman Yes I have the 371. I wouldn't say any of them have "better" bass. The 371 is definitely bossier than the Ollo headphones.
I am happy with the semi sandpapery highs of my hd25 and the slight midbass bloat of the hd6xx. I think these senns are imperfect but make me enjoy listening to music more than other brands in general. Lord knows I have tried so many headphones and in the end I became somewhat of a Senn fanboy. I still do like my beyer dt250 250ohm though because it sounds very sennlike lol. That buttered flavoring hahaha
Do you know anything about the supposed new version of this? People are claiming it was redisigned and sound different from the original version that had a longer chord.
Nope. Don’t know anything about it.
should I sell my 560s? I equalized them in APO, changed the stock cable and planing to buy 150$ headphone tube amplifier because other reviewers said they sound much better with a tube amp for music. But I don't know if I'm going to regret it. What's the best headphone for 200$ you would recommend?
I don't think there's any point in spending more and more money on a headphone that you don't like. My rule of thumb is that if you don't like the sound after a few hours, then you shouldn't have to bend over backwards to make the headphone sound right to you. I sold my 560s.
I can't answer your question about what's the best headphone under $200. There is no such thing. There is no objective "best" anything. You need to figure out what sound signature you prefer, and what music you generally like to listen to. There are plenty of options for under $200, such as the Porta Pro, Philips L2 and M1 Mk2, Philips X2 and SHP9500/9600, Sennheiser HD400s, Sony MDR-MA100, just to name a few. These all have different features and performance, and there's not a single one that's perfect for everyone.
Have the Sennheiser HD 569 !
Thanks for this review. You have a very different opinion than most reviews on the internet 😀.
I bought the HD 560 S on the used market for 85 € and it's my first Hifi headphone. I would like to have the hifiman XS but it's 4 times the price. Would be nice if you review the xs.
thanks for the great review! keep up the good work
What do use for EQ?
I don’t EQ. Equalizer APO is the most popular option though.
Headphone collector and owner of these and the 599, 600, 280, 650, and 660s. From left to right they're listed least used to most used. For me it's almost entirely comfort based because I've noticed that it only takes me about 15-30mins to get used to a headphones sound signature and I'll end up wearing them for 4+hrs on average. If a headphone is uncomfortable for the whole adjustment period and it doesn't offer anything better than my main 3, chances of it getting anymore use after that are slim to none. Sennheiser 200 and 600 series headphones just fit my seemingly weird ear anatomy too well (my ears fill out the 600 series ear cups) and they just happen to fall well within my budget while still being highly accessible. **I also think they look cool.** (those Aeons tho, if it was 2019 and I'd seen those and they were priced like 650s I wouldn't be here since I probably would've bought those and stopped.)
From a mixing and mastering perspective he 560s are a solid choice low distortion and relatively flat with a good sound stage . Coupled with Sonarworks you have an entirely capable tool here.
Hello, do you know where the Sennheiser HD560s produced ? I'm avoiding products from China. Thank you
No idea.
As I do own the Hifiman HE400i 2020 I would be interested how the 560S compare against them. Which one do you think is better?
I don’t have the 400i so I can’t compare
simple question: is this a better value than the 579? (i'll watch of the upcoming videos anyway)
That's hard to say since the 579 seems to be discontinued. If you find one, likely the price will be inflated or the headphone will be used and out of warranty...so, you gotta factor that in. Honestly, the 579 is a fun headphone, and I hear some similarities between it and the 560s. I can't claim any certainty in this, but my experience with the 569 and 579 lead me to wonder whether Sennheiser just took those drivers and tweaked a few things here and there for the 560s.
Had a quick look at the Harman target curve in my equalizer app for the HD560s. There seems to be a spike at 3kHz of about 5 decibels, and this does not say anything about its detail retrieval & 'natural' sound decay...
Seems like Sennheiser did some R&D to produce lower impedance headphones, and did not know what to say about the end result.
Marketing Team: Don't worry, let us prop up the headphone such that it will sell!
(Internal discussion *Let's just throw every positive word we can find about headphones, and get the technical team say some scripted positive praise about the product) =.=
They could at least swapped the headphone grill material (metal), and the headphone band material (plastic)...Its obvious which is more important for structural integrity.
If you want to save on cost with a cheap cables, you could make them shorter.
That way, it feels cheap but more user friendly...*shakes head
Ear canal resonance frequency?
Finally 🔥🔥
gonna be interesting- im comparing the FX Audio Mkii vs Asgard 3 using these headphones hd 560s.
How can someone test headphones on Amazon music? Please
What exactly is your question. Amazon Music HD has at least CD-quality audio up to 24-bit. It’s in FLAC.
What do you mean by melding?
Each note's decay is slow enough to continue until the next note plays, essentially "melding" the sounds. In contrast, analytical headphones like the HD800s, Focal Clear, and Austrian Audio present the same notes with quick transience (fast decay), and instruments/notes sound clearer, more distinct among each other.
@@NoThemeReviewsIsn't headphone "speed" is, as you accurately described burn-in, an audiophile myth? Audiosciencereview has discussed it fairly extensively, along with "detail."
HD560s or Monolith M1070(for $299)?
They're very different from each other. The M1070 has a much warmer sound signature, more emphasized bass, smoother mids and treble, and about the same soundstage. Transience is fairly close, I think. Basically, the 1070 has a more "full" sound signature compared to the 560's airier, dryer presentation.
@@NoThemeReviews just picked the M1070 over the 1060C as my first driver, with the ifi Zen dac,,
thank u for saving me money!! your are the best!!
Hmm this or the x2hr ?
Depends on what you’re looking for. The X2 has more bass, fuller vocals with less sibilance, and the treble is fairly comparable. I think the X2 is more comfortable and it is definitely better built. Clarity and detail retrieval is about the same, but if you listen to bass heavy tracks, the 560s might present marginally clearer sound. Overall, the X2 is a darker sounding headphone with more intimate presentation.
Just watched a few of your reviews and I definitely like your honesty. Question I'd like to ask, of all the headphones you have knowledge of: what are a few examples of the most natural out of the box that someone could use with a flat EQ setting?
By natural, if you mean neutral, then I do have a few recommendations: Avantone Planar, Ollo S4x, NTH100, HD6xx. While not neutral, the SRH1540 is a very good headphone as well.
@@NoThemeReviews Thank you for catching that, I did mean neutral, but since I use both words frequently I am going to blame autocorrect on my phone. I do own the NTH and the HD6xx. I ask because, at least in my case, neutral is what I find fun, mainly because I love making my own EQ settings for different applications. Have you given a shot to the Sennheiser HD 400 Pro? They are somewhat similar to the 560s but I lean more towards the 400 Pro. Some time in the next few days I'll watch your review on the S4X and Avatone Planar and see what they are all about. Might get a pair if they pull me in enough.
Incredibly detailed review! I'm actually looking forward to buy my first "audiophile" headphone, but choosing one hasn't been easy... I was thinking of this model but also in 6xx, Hifiman 400i and others around those prices. Furthermore, I would love to see a review of the 400i and other models in similar prices. Thank you, your review shows a lot of things that most people don't talk about, I really appreciate that.
unfortunately these things are pure fantasy
I haven't tried the others but I have the 560s and it's fantastic. They're very comfortable, clamping pressure might be a little strong at first but loosens up fairly quickly.
@@marvinmurakami8828 can you use them straight from your phone or like a ps4 controller and still sound good?
I really like the 560S but it's definitely no giant killer.
Marketing hype is always to be taken skeptically.
Your review is relentless, analytical, and detailed. Much more so than the 560s themselves. Ok for pleasant casual listening. Let's not forget the price. And lots of people *love* to EQ and get creative.
What is your "reference" headphone?
A legit question that nobody addresses head on: has Focal Clear MG lost resolution and detail as per Clear OG?
I’ve not heard the new versions of the Clear. My reference headphones for what I consider neutral are the Avantone Planar, HD6xx, and OLLO S4x. For IEMs it’s the Moondrop Quarks. I have plenty of headphones I love listening to such as the DT880, Zeus, LCD-2 pre fazor, HD660s, T60rp, TH500, D7000, yada yada yada. The list is long.
A substantially good critical review !
Thank You.
PS. Such serious unbiased appoach we meet very rarely this days
now run them with a 3rd party balanced cable. I'd love to hear a review from somebody that runs them balanced.
I’ve been thinking about it for a while, I think you’re being far too critical, I think you just hate things that are popular and are hopping on a sort of anti-hype train. These headphones are worth every penny, I did not have to do any mental gymnastics to come to this conclusion. When I watch your review comparing it to the 6xx (which seems to be a universally good headphone), you don’t make it out to seem much better or worse than it. Yet you still express dislike towards the 560, unless you just don’t like the 6xx either. I know you’re basing this off of sennhieser’s claims, and you want to hold companies accountable for what they say, but companies make wild claims all the time, that’s marketing and the business world for you. Your reviews are needlessly negative, and you don’t seem to purpose alternatives to products you rate negatively. I honestly believe you are super critical of things because you think it makes you seem cool and edgy, when in reality (and I really hate to insult you) you come off as toxic. Your decision to turn off display likes and dislikes is also questionable and makes you seem more toxic, because most of the time people do that because they’re insecure and can’t handle criticism. Wouldn’t it be so much more badass if you showed that you get a bunch of dislikes but continued to do and say whatever the hell you want in spite of it? Something really seems off about you.
Anyways I will be enjoying my purchase, I will not be needing anymore headphones after buying the 560s. At the end of the day, it’s about the music, not what you use to listen to them.
I’m glad you like the 560s. Nobody else has to, and absolutely nobody should buy this headphone expecting Sennheiser’s claims as true.
Negativity doesn’t sell, otherwise Zeos would have already used that technique. Sorry to break it to you, "edgy" and "controversial" doesn't actually bring people to the tent.
On the one hand, I don't want to criticize you for liking the 560. That's your experience and you have a right to it. Believe it or not, I am very happy you've found a headphone that works for you.
On the other hand, your beliefs about me and my channel are so absurd that I should address them.
I can't stand people who set double standards, or those who want to hear a specific thing from reviewers. That's exactly what you want, based upon your comments.
Here you are commenting about how you think the 560 is a good headphone--your endgame at this point--and yet you have the tenacity to tell me I can't have my opinion. Just like you, I paid for the 560s. More than that, I paid for every single headphone against which I tested the 560s. It seems to me I've earned the right to be critical, just as you've the right to tell people the positives.
Demanding that I be positive about headphones--particularly headphones YOU happen to like--is the most base form of censorship. I don't have to paint a rosy picture for you. Don't you get enough of that from all the other reviewers? Your demand for homogeny of opinion--both in format and content--is unsettling. People who think like you are a huge reason why so many reviewers regurgitate the same nonsense about products. THAT is toxic for the community. Pointing out faults of a product is the bare minimum of what a reviewer should do. Making you feel good about your purchase isn't and shouldn't be in the equation.
You also seem unwilling to recognize that some of us who talk about gear actually have a ton of experience. When I tell you that the 560s is a bad value proposition, it's because I have heard and tested more headphones and amps and dacs than most. It's not a comment about you or your preferences. It has nothing to do with whether or not I like or dislike the sound signature. I'm sure you watched other reviews of the 560s before you bought it. I wonder, did you write critiques to reviewers who hyped this headphone for having amazing detail or other flamboyant praise? Or did that not bother you?
I also have to put you on the spot for deforming my comments about the 560 in all its videos. Where exactly in any of the numerous videos did I say that I like or dislike the sound signature of any product I was comparing with the 560? All I do is document what I hear, and I don't comment about whether something sounds good or bad. That's for the consumer to figure out for themselves.
As for the public seeing the voting: you guys are completely lost. You have no clue how positive all of my videos are. I simply don’t promote voting because it is irrelevant. A small fraction of any viewerbase of any video from any channel actually votes and they vote on a whim. THAT is the basis for you to determine if a reviewer or video is trustworthy?! Lunacy. I think you're griping about the vote count because you just want to make an immediate decision about whether or not you want to watch a video. If so, then that's pretty lazy. If not, then what the hell difference does it make what 2-5% of the viewers think, good or bad?
I'm not going to debate you about the 560s. I am in no mood to change your mind about my channel. Hate it, like it, be indifferent to it--your call. I don't care. But never tell me what to say or how to say it. That's not your prerogative.
Go forth and tell people why you enjoy this headphone, love your music, live peacefully, and stop complaining a reviewer didn’t hand feed you positivity.
@@NoThemeReviews very well said my friend! Keep it up man! have a blessed day!
May the headphone God's protect you from the possible invasion of people who are brand fanatics
I feed off their baby tears
@@NoThemeReviews how many footsteps can you hear on koss porta pros in the kazukii song in the first 60s time? Just asking for my reference.
comfort is King says sennheiser but i've had several HD5xx headphones and non of them even come close to comfortable my benchmark for comfort is Beyerdynamic DT770, 880 and 990 Pro with 3th Party earpads like Dekoni Choice Suede which are Micro Suede pads plus the 3th party earpads for sennheiser are not that good having spend over 600 Euro on pads for my Sennheiser HD5xx headphones the design of the HD5xx headphones with all that plastic makes them having insane clamping force and they shift if you turn your head few times and sometimes they just shift on their own these are not headphones for anyone with glasses while i can wear my DT770 Pro for 18h and i just forget i'm wearing headphones they just disappear on your head and the headband Dosn't make you head sweat plus you can change it with 3th party headbands if you want
I have the 560S and 650. I like the 560S the sound stage is much better and imaging is much better they are just overall better. Maybe you had a faulty pair.
Maybe you just like what you like, and I don’t like what you like.
Why get the 560s which is overhyped imo (and i'm a HUGE sennheiser fan) when you can get the 6xx for $20 more or even if you get lucky the exact same price and that comes with a nicer cable, and a much nicer box.
Is 6xx sound much better?
@@yevheniirazin7474 6xx sound much dark and veiled in comparison to 560s
@@maurycyzych3129 I like the way the 6xx sound better and I've enjoyed music the most on them
I have both. HD6XX has great vocal clarity and magic treble with very fine detail if amped correctly. I like HD560S more for electronic music (more bass punch, sparklier, bolder treble) and music where soundstage is important. They're both great and HD560S deserves a little hype imho ;) I agree the cable is terrible though, I hope there will be some aftermarket options.
@@mvv1408 it's a good headphone but people saying it's the new reference that makes the HD6X0 line obsolete are overhyping. Like it deserves hype, but not that much hype. Also I don't listen to much deep bass music so that probably explains my liking of the hd6xx better
For aftermarket cables, any cable that is compatible with the HD599/598 is compatible with the HD560s as they both use the same 2.5mm trrs twist lock socket
Hi great video, you can now get hd560 under £130, and sound petty good , however you can get hd660 for £259 as s2 is now out, I also 6xx AB’s sound slightly better than 560 but at its price point now it is a good buy and so is the 6xx is around $200 and for that price is worth buying those too. Regards mark
Your review style is awesome and so much more logical than the majority out there. Do you happen to have a list of the tracks you use for comparisons - links to Amazon Music or just the titles/artists?
music.amazon.com/user-playlists/0de9a39febc9476f8e177f300c84098asune?ref=dm_sh_3a4c-4b03-812b-9acf-8059d
@@NoThemeReviews awesom, thanks so much!
Mr glass half empty
Hi again , I just upgraded the hd560 cable with van damne silver plated cable from r £18. And so much better cable as the 560 cable is a bit naff, as I said before I don’t understand that hd560 is so expensive in USA compared in the Uk. Regards mark
I’m thinking of getting the HD569 because it’s closed back. I couldn’t stand listening to headphones and still being able to hear everyone around me and everyone around me could hear what I am listening to. It defeats the purpose of headphones and people who spend thousands of dollars on open back headphones have no sense. With that much money you can get speakers they use at clubs
Open are beter and there's no denying that and people have nothing to do with it why are you listening in those conditions anyway closed have thee place opens are farmore a experience and a sound reproduction closed and as they are called closed experience tight small stage fps games and private music listening open everything g else and I mean everything else open every single time
I've had them for over a year there great headphones
Perfect headphone for the year 2020. Not exactly the worse year in history, but unless you got a bunch of bitcoins or invest in Tesla it sucks.
You should compare these against the Samson SR850’s. I have both and they sound very similar, besides the SR850’s having more bass. I probably won’t be buying anymore audio gear that isn’t for the purposes of music or audio engineering, I’m beginning to hate audiophiles and reviewers. After buying a mobile dac/amp that’s awkward to use and makes me look stupid and also the senny’s, I feel humiliated, like a crooked salesman convinced me to buy snake oil. I spent money that I could’ve been using for recording equipment to build up my studio or for instruments like a drum set or guitar pick ups, I’ve been needing a 5 string bass for the longest time.
Well, I’ll just delude myself into being happy with it :)
Eh, I sold the 560s a few weeks ago. I haven't missed it.
No Theme Reviews Oh. Well they are really good, I like them. They will be my main headphones for music production from now on.
Now all you need is a 599 to complete the set. I'd give you mine but then I'd have nothing 😩
I’ve been looking for the 599. Sometimes they come down in price. I could get the Amazon version but I’m holding out for the desert sand color
@@NoThemeReviewsThat's the one I have, I gifted my wife the SE (purely out of curiosity 😂😭)
@@rickyh527 any difference in sound signature between the regular and SE? I have the SE and got mine at almost half the selling price of the regular 599 which made me doubt whether both were the same.
@@josephnevin No, non at all. It's just an Amazon exclusive version 😄
Hey dude
I have to disagree almost completely in your review. Did you plug into a old iPhone with a earphone jack?
These do need a good 80-100 hour break-in and the sub-bass comes up (& stays tight), female vocals settle down, and sibilance disappears. I find detail very good, but not $1000 headphone earth shattering. Excellent timbre. This set approaches true audiophile levels; it's a taste, but not the whole meal. That part's true, but for $200, I've never heard better.
Either you did t watch the video wherein I specified exactly how I tested this headphone, or you’re being facetious. The burn-in crap has been repeatedly tested and debunked. You merely get used to the sound signature after lengthy listening, and earpad wear contributes to any alterations you think you hear. I just don’t understand fans of this product-including you. It’s like you guys expect to hear glowing praise for the stuff you like. Why? Why do I have to agree with you?
Burn in is real like a unicorn 🦄
@@NoThemeReviews man, you're dissappointing. you're having a meltdown on almost all criticisms you get on your videos. it's not like they're attacking you personally, they're just disagreeing on some of your assessments, nothing wrong with that. yet here you are calling people names and being obnoxious overall with your replies, i've subbed but unsubbed almost immediately. what a shame.
@@arshtat Do you have idea how abusive people are towards me, both in comments and in forums? If I respond strongly in some instances, it’s always after someone has crossed a line-and whether that is something you even care to acknowledge is up to you. I don’t do this as a business. I don’t make money off you, and don’t have the pay to play program of other channels. I do these videos as a hobby and 100% of everything I present is free. So, if I get upset after someone demeans or attacks me, I have that right-just as you would if you were in my position. Maybe instead of worrying about how I react to SOME people in comments, maybe you’d be better off just watching the videos. If I treated you with rudeness or hostility then I’d understand your issue, but as far as I know that didn’t happen. Unsub or sub-not really my problem.
I trust this guy.
I thought this was going to be a good channel but after watching a few reviews and you comments which do not match my experience or professional measurements, all I can think is you have a hearing problem.
My hearing is perfectly fine, well within norms. FR graphs are misleading, and can be easily manipulated or improperly done. They are no indicator of true sound signature or performance. As for your hearing, just because you have a different opinion about how something sounds (though what that might be is vague as you didn’t actually say anything useful here), doesn’t give you any right to insult me or pretend your hearing is superior. I wish you people would have the decency to conduct a conversation instead of getting pissed off over nothing.
@@NoThemeReviews You're very disrespectful. not just with this comment but others who are simply stating their opinions, you're being a hypocrite and flat out rude and trying to justify it.
@@tinocabral4201 Bravo. 👏 When people insult, demean, and denigrate me they’re “stating their opinion.” When I tell you guys you’re wrong and full of shit, I’m disrespectful and a hypocrite. Says a ton about the internet and its constant trolls. Buzz off.
i have these 560s extreemely confortable but i dunno ...
how are they?
Bought 560s and exactly experienced what you said.
Dead center, kind of bright.
Any warm tonality headphones under 300$? Usage is for most of the genres except Rock and metal.
Meze 99 Classics, Philips X2 and L2, HD6xx, Denon D1200, Koss Porta Pro and KPH30i.
Please review gold planar gl2000
Send it to him. He doesn't usually get freebies like the last letter alphabet shill lol. Sorry I'm butthurt that dude gets push up the algorithm while hyping up shit products lol.
It's a bit expensive. I don't see any information about the single-sided and dual-sided magnet array--and what benefits either has over the other. I'm also a bit tired of Linsoul's terrible shipping times. I ordered the GL600 earlier this year, and waited for 2 months--and when it finally shipped, I got the GL1000 delivered instead. That was, obviously, a pleasant surprise, but I'm not prepared to undergo the same nonsense over a $600 headphone. Maybe once they have stock in the US warehouse I'll think about it.
You keep mention and compare this and the other that cost about 50% more(6xx, 6 series. They are beyond $200ish even $300 or more in some country) and you even compare it to the close back headphone (569)
I think you need to do more research before even making a content for a product.
Sound stage and detail are absolutely a lot better this than the rest of the 5 series, even 599. Regarding comfort, every, if not most of headphones will be tight first time out of the box.
You should stop complaining. I can’t help products cost different prices all over the world. I don’t understand why you people constantly bitch when somebody doesn’t say your favorite toy is amazing. If you haven’t bothered to do actual A/B tests under consistent parameters, then don’t lecture me about how wonderful one headphone is from another.
To my ear, hd560s is more neutral than ollo s4x and Avantone planar. I think ‘neutral’ is very subjective thing. Audio reviews are all subjective so that there is no certain ‘wrong’ or ‘right’. This review is always so judgemental that he thinks he is always right.. Open your mind to others opinion.
I agree, I've had all 3 and the HD 560s tuning was def far more neutral than the S4x and the Planar. With that said, detail retrieval was pretty sub-par on the 560s. I still find the Hifiman Sundara to be superior to all 4.
That's quite a strange comment to make. There is a right and wrong--and it's whether the manufacturer's promises are true. I'm judgmental about that. It's pretty self-defeating to demand I open my mind other "others opinion" when I'm providing MY opinion. That's what an opinion is--that I explain my experience. I've never claimed to be "always right". I do my tests, I tell you how I did them, and I give you my conclusions. This simple method is objectionable to you?
@Whiteowl It's funny how you want him to accept others opinions when you aren't ready to accept his. A bit contradictory lol. Its dumb to say there's no right or wrong-i mean, aren't you tired of hearing everybody give praise to everything? You're in the minority, pal. Most people want a truthful review, good and bad. Just cause you don't like what he says doesnt make him judgmental. It makes YOU judgmental. Can't you see how circular your argument is? You don't like NTR because he has a strong opinion that doesn't coincide with yours...and YOU'RE the fair one????
@@jasonfranciosa So what's he supposed to say? "I think this is not neutral, but others may find it neutral, and maybe it's neutral to you"? Jesus.
@@NoThemeReviews So as Manufacturer promised, Hd560S is neutral to my ears. Are you open to listen to my opinion which is different from your opinion? Do you think that there are ppl who can hear HD560S is more neutral than something that you feel neutral like S4X or Planar? I didn't say you are wrong. I respect what you've at least tested it whether it is accurate or not. BUT when it comes to judge something based on your own experiences, I think it is like 'the frog in the well'. I am not hyped on Hd560s at all. I don't think Hd560s is detail headphones by any means but it sounds neutral to my ears.
Thank you for your honest review, when i look at my HD 650 and Sundara i think about sound reference 😇 but when i look at my newly acquired HD 560s i just think about 2020....😳
I laughed at this :).
Have you tried HD599? I find them better than HD560. None of them are listenable to me without EQ, and HD560s have muddy upper bass, as well as too forward vocals to my taste, though easily fixable. After that HD599 sounds like a better version of HD560s, with wider soundstage, more rumble in bass, and overal more pleasant darker likeable presentation compred to anemic, dull and too bright HD560s. Crazy how HD560s are hyped so much, yet HD599 can be bought for much less (frequent sales promo) with better sound (after EQ) suitable for every genre. On top of that they come with one extra shorter cable.
None of what you claim is actually what professional measurements or my own test experienced.
I gotta 100% agree with you. The accessories and build quality alone definitely do not warrant the $200 price. Not to mention making the 3.5mm jack proprietary is just another money grab to have to buy another cord direct from Sennheiser. There are $70 - $100 headphones that have better build, accessories and come with a carrying case.
Which ones?
@@yevheniirazin7474 sivga sv004 has a carrying case and better build
I wouldn't necessarily call the cable proprietary. I purchased a generic locking type 2.5mm cable on amazon for a low price that is nicer than what was included
The build may look cheap but I assure you these things will last. I have been using hd598's (which have an identical build to these) most of the day, everyday, for over 7 years now and they work just as well as my first day with them.
before you call something "Cheap" you kinda need to give context. these "Cheap" builds are proven to last over 20 years alongside the HD6X0 lineup. that is not what i would called "Cheap" build.
I would agree with most things except one. A decay longer than the waveform is not indicative of a natural sounding headphone. If it creates an artificial rock arena, this is a bad headphone. No headphone should add more to the decay than the recorded waveform. If a headphone adds a decay, no matter how 'natural' it sounds, it's not a natural sounding headphone for me because it's not faithful to the waveform. In this regard, I like the sound of planars and electrostats with their fastest decay possible. This is called faithfulness to the waveform and that contributes to the clarity of a headphone. Of course, the frequency response of the HD560s is far from natural, the peaks at 7.5 and 12 KHz only add to the sibilance without emphasizing the detail because the drivers are not resolving enough. Hence the price. The headphones like the HD6XX are rare exceptions.
it's basically how fast driver is able to respond and move to the signals send from source to it ,i think its called step response ....
i have a set and disappointed but to each their own
I really appreciate your detailed reviews and put a lot of stock in them. I was going to return my new Philips SHP9600 and get the HD560S. I'm putting that decision on hold!!!
for 110$ they are bot bad at all, sound better and clearer than my hd-25
if we have to EQ any headphone, why bother with anything over 30 dollars? *coughcoughKPH30i*
Tell us what you really think about these cans. I noticed you compared the 560s ($200) to 2 cans over $1000. Not many should things that's fair. I returned my 560s, too much sibilance. Marketing over hype, isn't that what marketing is :)
Uh no I didn’t compare it to 2 $1000 headphones. If you’re referring to the Clear, then please understand what I said during that portion. I told you the Clear provided the most detail in that test to explain what the gold standard is for me. And it’s the exact same test I perform on every headphone. You’ll also notice that during that portion I referred to the x55-which is $300, yet has exceptional detail retrieval. Finally, as I’ve said over and over again, price is not an indicator of value or performance. That is a total fallacy.
But we should address the comment more directly. It's unacceptable to excuse Sennheiser's flamboyant claims just because their headphone is $200. Sennheiser makes robust claims about detail and clarity--and they do NOT qualify those statements within a price bracket. If they're shameless enough to say their headphone reveals "every detail in your music", then we should put that promise to the test. If the 560 came remotely close to the performance of the Clear, I'd have been impressed. But it is average at best, and in some respects sub-par in detail retrieval.
I was about to buy these headphones until I read your critical review. I really appreciate that you broke down these headphones' attributes into specific details. You saved me from a costly error.
Great video. Tweeted out!
for $100 more and you can buy Hd660s from what i've seen all HD5xx headphones are cheap crap with bad cables hell DT770 costs Less and has 10 times better cable it's more comfortable it's made from metal it's not heavy at all and everything is user replaceable same for DT880 and 990 Pro so if you want open back headphones 880 are semi open back and 990 are open back plus for the same price as HD560s you can get any of these headphones with detachable cables and even made balanced
I don't agree with what you say. If you did the review immediately after taking them out of the box, then you are only an amateur. These headphones need a minimum of 50 hours of burn-in, 200 hours is recommended. Sennheiser HD560S are exceptional headphones. Do not follow this amateur!
First, I didn't review this headphone immediately after getting them. I used them for several weeks and compared them to many headphones. Second, burn-in isn't real. It's an audiophile myth, which has been repeatedly debunked by people who actually care about honesty.
It's one thing to disagree with me and say you love these headphones; it's another to act like your opinion means any more than someone else's. Don't be a chump.
@@NoThemeReviews Burn-in is real. Don't be a chump. What headphones did you "compare" them with?
@iancujianu4483 Watch the videos yourself and figure it out. As for burn-in being "real"--yeah, only in your imagination. But OF COURSE you'd stick to your belief contrary to measured tests by independent parties. Why am I not surprised? You so-called audiophiles invent utter nonsense to justify anything. Troll on, fanboy!
@@NoThemeReviews Are you saying that after 200 hours of listening, the headphones sound the same as when they are taken out of the box???????????? How much of an amateur you are!!!!!!!! You say you are an "audiophile"........What a good joke. You have no business! Stop fooling the world with your videos.......
@@NoThemeReviewsThis is not my comment but read this: "I burn in every pair of new headphones for at least 50 hours. One pair of headphones changed significantly in it's sound signature: the igrado's. Out of box, these were ridiculously bright, practically unlistenable. After about 60-70 hours, the sound signature smoothed out, so that some treble sparkle remained, but all of the extreme treble harshness disappeared. Now, these are a very pleasantly warm sounding pair of headphones retaining a bit of top end sparkle. Very nice."
Veiled. I HATE veiled.
hahahah the most negative review of a 560s. you cant ruin the reputation of this very popular headphone mister reviewer
No, the headphone and fanboys ruin it all by themselves.
Oye ve! Neutral or not, the 560 looks like a cash grab. $200 for flimsy plastic?!
Sennheiser knows the targeted market oh so well that all it needs are the hype-wagoners.
But,but,but, basically you don’t like this headphone!
no hype for this one.
HD560s -- 🚂💨
Tried the HD560s... too bright, no or little sub bass! Sold them and bought Beyerdynamic DT770 32ohm... wow, perfect. Dynamic, fast, lively, detailed and great bass, with a kick and slam - so happy. Just can't stop listening to all types of music - blows me away have great they sound IMO.
The 770 sounds so compressed and boring in comparison. Thin mids as well. The 560s is far better. I would go with the 1990 of you want these boosted piercing highs and get a more open soundstage unlike the 770 congested sound
@@shaolin95 you must of had a bad copy or cotton wool in you ears! lol I listened to about 25 different sets that day at Worthing centre... the dt770 cleary most dynamic and exciting sound I'd ever heard from any headphones ever! 🎧 I have maybe 7 sets at home... ranging prices. The dt770 are so alive, you can every single thing in the mix. With live music they are just incredible, just like you at at the concert. Several friends agree and have also gone onto buy them, so it's just not me. Have a happy new year.
Thanks for this because i was considering buying this 560s pff (not my cup of tea).. I have allready overpriced 660s and 650/600 is best value for money. I should stop the headphone hoarding lol. Btw now Sivga Phoenix clone is made Emotiva GR1?
Oh the GR1...I'm disappointed in myself for having bought it. I caved to a subscriber's request. Anyway, it's been several days and Emotiva still hasn't shipped it--though they definitely took my money.
@@NoThemeReviews Hmm, have you contacted to support? Thats wierd, smells fishy.... Obviously they are afraid for your unbiased approach to reviews. "Zeos effect" =) And i was having problems to get the Ananda for you that shipment was labeled to EU warehouse to Finland, so only way is break the seal and then send it to you so much restrictions...
You went overboard on this one... Being angry at Sennheiser for delivering a cheap but not perfect headphone is going a bit too far. As a viewer, I concluded you hate them. If that is not the message you wanted to send then re-consider the approach, but I'm staying away from this channel just for the amount of negativity and contradiction in one review...
No, I don’t think it’s too far. Having paid full price for gear, I have every right to say how I feel. It’s really too bad so many people these days just want a middle of the road, don’t rock the boat commentary. If that’s what you’re looking for, I agree with you: this isn’t the channel for you.
Lazy effort by Sennheiser. They just look like their PC38X series. Lol my AKG k371 comes with 3 cables and a pouch. Is also 50$ cheaper.
Ah, the K371...good build (now, after the disaster of the initial roll-out), pleasing sound, great accessories, reasonable price...jeeez...it's almost like the impossible IS possible! BTW, I was looking for the 37x for my brother, and stumbled across the 38x reviews online...I jumped back and forth between the same channel reviewing the 37x and 38x, and I couldn't help but notice both are FANTASTIC headphones, apparently.
@@NoThemeReviews Yeah I bought it after the QC issues. The 38X is the 37X with better tuning. The 37X is just the game one which was based off the g4me Zero. All they do is change the tuning and drivers. Asking for way more money is very unreasonable IMO.
@@epicmike3915 Can you answer this: my brother has a PS4 and I'd like to know if either the 38x or 37x would work with the PS4 controller? The godawful amplifier in the controller makes every headphone I've tried sound shrill. I was thinking of splurging on the Arctis Pro Wireless...but I don't know if I like my brother THAT much.
Any suggestions? My brother doesn't really have a specific genre of games--he's eclectic in that respect at least.
@@NoThemeReviews They'll work fine, but yeah the PS4 controller can only reach a certain volume. Is audible, but not to my liking. The PS4 controller has crap sound. There's no solution for that to my knowledge. The mic on those is also average at best. So if he cares about voice I wouldn't recommend those. The 37X/38X are more for sweaty fortnite and COD people. The hyper X series are okay for the money. They focus more on explosions so bass is emphasized. Mics are total crap. I had the cloud 2 and Alpha. I never tried the Arctis series.
Hmmm. Well, I guess my options are a super expensive wireless headset or a cheap one. How much do I like my brother? This is gunna be tough
Your subscribers & views clearly proves that you are a bias & not turstworthy reviewer.. many reviewers of this 560s has so many viewers & subscribers & they have positive comments to 560s.. i think you are the only one that has zero positive & all negative review of the 560s.. that is why i am calling you bias & not a trustworthy reviewer.. buy the way, i dislike your video & not going to subscribe..