HD560S vs 6XX vs TYGR 300R
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- In this video I put the HD560S, the HD6XX, and the TYGR300R head to head! Which is the best and why?
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Thank you for this outstanding comparison. These must be the the three most bang for the buck headphones and obtainable for a wide audience.
I love the way you differentiate between Hi-Fi (analytical, true to the source) and audiophile (more pleasing, less detailed). Lets hope that this does not cause a flame war.
how did you post comment 3 days ago? O_O
Jolbulka that’s the privilege of being a patreon supporter. He deserves the support.
Actually the term hifi is complementary to audiophile. I think he means monitoring/analytical versus music enjoyment/hifi use. The term audiophile applies to modern music as much as older music. Less detailed is not the same as less pleasing, it also depends a lot on what types of genres you listen to or how you use a headphone to able to make a good choice on what kind of headphone you will prefer. But generally this means more headphones if you listen to a lot of different genres, or if you only want to have one, something at a much higher price category.
Gerard I am perfectly sure you are right. But I was not so sure if it would be received that way by some.
J. Gordon Holt and Harry Pearson (and the many others of that cohort) are rolling over... I've been watching the evolution of this. We can change and make up and kind of discussion we'd like. Hi-Fi and audiophile from the earliest days had been synonyms; what goes in is exactly what comes out, nothing added or removed, with the ultimate objective being an exact, or at least palpable, experience of the recorded event in your space. What the audiophile was seeking in loving audio was the high fidelity (highly accurate, truthful, faithful to the original event) reproduction of what ever audio thing was being reproduced.
It's certainly not that simple, and there're a lot of bits and pieces to that. The language, and the world, of audio reproduction has altered. It's gotten a lot broader and inclusive of things that otherwise wouldn't have been been included. Some for the better, some perhaps not. Though whichever, audio kit is better now, with value being off the charts compared with what it had been, than it's ever been. So, I'm going to call that axiomatically a good thing.
DMS has found his roots again
This feels very much like the first review of yours i found years ago, he xx 4xx hd700.
Approachable, relatable, outstanding work stick to this formula.
I have the tygr, and I love it. During homeoffice days, I wear them sometimes more that 10 hrs a day, including gaming in the evening. It is just so comfortable for me. And I like the frequency response of them a lot.
Are they hard to drive? And could I use them for editing you think?
@@jcap8391 pretty easy to drive actually. You can use them with your phone as well. But with an Amp they get better of course.
I have absolutely no experience in editing or mixing. So I can't really comment.
@@Wollestar hey man, i want to pick one of these up and i dont have an amp, i had my eyes on the fiio small amp because they are easy to run. What do you recommend?
@@megabeetlejuicer96 I don't know the fiio but I use mine regularly on an earstudio es100 mk2 bluetooth Amp and it works well. But even just running it with your phone works or I had it for a while on my company laptop without the es100.
I just got the HD560s recently. Not only for listening to music but also gaming etc. and I really enjoy them. My old 598sr is also a nice addition to it because it has that warmer sound signature.
I’m getting the HD560s…heard that it’s neutral and works really well with EQ. While gaming and doing some content creation work, the neutrality and soundstage helps but when enjoying some music, probably gonna tune it with EQ and hopefully it doesn’t need too much tuning like my Epos H6 Pro which just sounds very harsh and bloated bass for basically anything. Biggest expensive mistake of my life.
I went from Hifiman Aryas to the 560S (had to sell the Aryas because of moving costs), and I was blown away by the detail retrieval of the 560S. Amazing value for money. Perfect for gaming and movies with a Dolby Atmos license. Definitely the most neutral headphones I’ve ever heard, and that makes them so good for gaming and movies.
I highly recommend a DAC/amp for them. I use the iFi Zen DAC V2. Powers them really well.
I love my Tygrs and its great people finally recognize them
wow best DMS content in quite some time this was great.
I agree, this is a fantastic comparison. Smart choices
Actually this video is a real comparison and clearly shows how overhyped both DMS and this headphone are: ua-cam.com/video/YTBaqSX2RzA/v-deo.html
@@gerard3797 It's astonishing to me how many people only listen to negative reviews, as if anything positive is too good to be true. Until you've listened to the headphones, you shouldn't give your opinion on them.
@@mysty1353 just hop on the hypetrain than and ignore everything negative ;)! Enjoy that overly detailed and flat headphone and never worry about anything until next month the next hypetrain passes that blows every other headphone out of the water. It astonishes me how ignorant people are with these type of reviews full of superlatives.
@@gerard3797 Okay, tell my why oluv has a more trustworthy opinion. I’ll wait.
6XX is mentioned everywhere and yet...I'm in Europe. RIP!!!
A 6XX is a made in China HD650
Is overhyped IMO, you might not like it. Happens like with cars, americans goes for the muscle car = dark warm audiophile tune headphones. People of europe prefer more tune, detail and elegant engines = Hi-Fi, resolving, detail, above average treble performance headphones. No one is wrong is about taste.
I'm from Mexico so, I got crumbs second to third hand headphones... :( so I have perspective, can see that.
u can still get them shipping is only 15$
@@elyad67 for me in Sweden the problem is customs and import tax, its cheaper to buy hd600 than hd6xx. (i know, its a luxury ptoblem but the 6xx gets about 20% more expensive)
But in Europe you can get standard Beyer and Sennheiser products cheaper than in the US, at least here in Germany so not worth to think about it.
More reviews like this please, i feel comparisons to your audience are way more valuable than just focusing one headphone. A lot of us have a collection as well so this was very helfpful.
I absolutely love your reviews. So good and informative. I have to say at a competitive level in both apex and valorant, I had an extremely difficult time getting depth in directional audio out of the pc38x and clarity when too many audio cues were going off at the same time. For me, the hd 560s was night and day of a difference over the pc38x for being pin point accurate, having insane dimension in directional audio from longer distances, and had a level of clarity that was absolutely mind blowing.
Is it a good idea to buy the 560s if I don’t plan on buying an amp? I’ll just use it with my phone and laptop
@@Justus8 no it's not. It has 120 ohms, If you plug them into a Phone or a PC you'll probably hear a low volume, a low quality of sound and a low amount of detail
@@Justus8 i suggest to buy a dedicated dac/amp instead of buying an amp or a pre amp
@@danieleturrin5625 well, I already bought it and with my phone, it’s just loud enough. With my pc it’s more than loud enough. And to me it sounds good, but I don’t have a reference so…
@@Justus8 yeah it's possible because it depends on your device, on the sensitivity of the headphones and of course by your habits. Just consider that if you plug them to a good dac/amp, they will surely increase a lot their sound.
Just got the HD560s today and it takes more power than I thought. I used them over my BT5 and wasn't that impressed. Later in the day I tried them on my A/V receiver... And wow! Every song I've thrown at it sounds lovely
Which A/V receiver you use?
@@deep_crypto Sony STR-DB930. It's a nice unit. My two pairs of dynamics are plenty loud and full at 2 - 3 o'clock but my planars(HE400) needs to be at 5 o'clock. Weird considering the HE400 can be used with my iPad where the Sennheiser can't really reach the level I like. Anyways if you're looking for an A/V receiver this is a nice unit. I paid 175CAD so you could probably fine one at 100-150.
@@devote From what I've searched a simple apple dongle (US) or meizu hifi dongle can handle perfeclly on pc or ipad, or and smartphone. :) Im trying to get a promo on hd 560s but not easy at all xD
@@deep_crypto oh yea definitely. An a/v receiver is over kill. A dongle is perfectly fine.
I just bought the HD560s. Can't wait for them to come in.
I bought the HD 560 S with your recommendation and I can say I love them very much :)
Thank you @DMS
How I connect them to ps5? I need a DAC amp?
@@f_society9151 you can plug it in the ps5 controller insane headphones for gaming! You don't NEED an amp dac since you'll get enough volume but u WANT an amp dac to get slightly better sound quality and volume.
@@soraflame66I know this is late but what about the tygrs?
@barackputin the tygr 300r are pretty decent but I'd get a hd560s Over them :)
@@barackputin I have the dt1990 pros tho from Beyerdynamic those are amazing for gaming and better than both.
Best review I have ever seen so far describing and comparing these headphones. Direct, precise and concise, I admire Zeos but sometimes, it gets annoying when he blabbers and does not get his point across. You've won a new subscriber! More power to your channel. Now I just wish I own these 3 headphones!
For the actual enjoyment of most Music
(as in toe tappingly good)
there's very few better than the HD6XX / HD650
Lockk9 TT Racing I am a huge fan of the hd650 and the first upgrade I found is the focal clear. Which of course is a whole other price category.
hifiman sundara
The 6XX is so warm it puts me to sleep, it's the opposite of exciting. Too me it's a good thing though, great hp.
@@stanstaniboy7655 Then its underamped or has a DAC or AMP that does not fit its tonality.
@@mariodrv Sounds to me exactly what Oratory 1990 measured. Hump at around 150hz and then a slope all the way down into the treble. I have plenty of power from my amps and a cold UD301 DAC. It's just warm hp overall, which I like a lot, so relaxing and lets me focus on the stuff I am working on. I also had a K712 and Fostex T60RP, both of which were more exciting but also, you know, fatiguing. On a side note the T60RP is really hard to power for some reason.
I never understood why people say HD 650/6XX is better for music "enjoyment", like it's an universally true statement. Because since they are uneven it would wholly depend on which type of music you are listening on them. I consider a headphone perfect if it doesn't add or subtract anything from the music. So if my music is great it will sound great.
The best thing is that those are very very good Allrounders and they beat many other flagships in overall performance for a much cheaper price. I am proud to have such innovative and strong brands in our country, which deliver good headphones. Cheers from Germany 🍻
Much love you you guys! Keep making great stuff! Sincerely, Australia🇦🇺
Looking forward to the PC38X review!
Excellent review! Really helpful. Just invested in the HD 560s and couldn’t agree more with your take on these cans. Keep up the great work!
How do you feel about them in general? Also for gaming?
@@TroublezAhead00 Hi there. Generally (i.e. for sound quality, comfort and durability) I think the HD 560s are great for the money.
Like many things in life, an item’s strengths also have their counterbalancing weaknesses. For example, the HD 560s are rugged and durable (a strength) but also look and feel very plasticky (a weakness). The HD 560s sound clean, precise, detailed, analytical and extended (all strengths if you like this) but can also sound less warm, less soothing, less forgiving of poor recordings, and can become fatiguing during longer listening sessions (all weaknesses if these things are unappealing). The soundstage isn’t too narrow and the presentation doesn’t just feel like it’s all in your head (a decent strength) but at the same time the soundstage isn’t massively deep or full either, which leads to an average ability to place sounds in their correct space within the soundstage (potentially a weakness).
But it’s important to consider all the above in the context of how much they cost. I think the performance is excellent for the money, as long as you like their sound profile and presentation.
One other thing… I quite like that the cable plugs firmly into just one side (the left side) of the headphone, which keeps the cable nicely out of the way and it makes wearing a wired headphone feel less messy.
For gaming, they’ll do a decent job. Would say don’t expect miracles. These won’t be the best for gaming but they won’t be the worst either. If your priority is more on listening to music (especially hearing the analytical details in music) and less on gaming, then these are a top buy for the money. But if gaming is more the priority, then take the advice given by DMS in the video and invest in a proper and well regarded gaming headphone. Hope this all helps.
@@rrtind Awesome reply! Thank you! You'd be a good reviewer.
@@TroublezAhead00 You’re very welcome. And thank you for your kind comments. If you have any questions, feel free! 👍
@@TroublezAhead00 that answer of his is partially wrong actually the hd560s are Incredible for gaming EXTREMELY good for competitive fps gaming so yes actually DO expect miracles. They are even better than the pc38x for fps. I also fps game at a high level and am a "music audiophile" lol. I've used DT1990 pros, hd800s, akgk712 pros, tygr 300rs, pc38x, dt770 pros and so on (all are amazing for gaming) but for 155-200$ the hd560s are just insane for competitive gaming and decent for immersion gaming.
Loved all the knowledge you threw dude. Covered all the areas I wanted to know about them, keep up the amazing work.
Great comparison with right accents and structure. Keep on doing good stuff DMS!
Great review/overview. I gotta say though the 560s are great for some music and amazing for gaming. Honestly I feel they beat the PC38x cause those have way too much bass. The PC38x are great for single player games but if you play multiplayer games too then get the HD560s. The PC38x drown out a lot of audio in multiplayer games.
I have both the 6XX and the 560S and they sound quite different to me. The 560S sounds much more like the tin hifi P1 to me which is fine with some setups but can be slightly fatiguing with others. The 560S does have better soundstage for sure but the 6XX is so much less fatiguing every time that I still prefer it.
Yeah the 560s isn't close in terms of resolution and detail like he said. And I agree the timbre, and also the overall tonality, is so much more natural and rich sounding. The 560s does have a nudge in treble, but it sounds tinny and artificial. I also agree with him that the 560s has the better soundstage.
I intend to buy HD560S. Do you advise me to buy zen dac v2 + zen can?
I prefer games, movies, and music, respectively, THANK YOU
@@disco4535 I intend to buy HD560S. Do you advise me to buy zen dac v2 + zen can?
I prefer games, movies, and music, respectively, THANK YOU
@@d_jihad I think you will enjoy the the HD560S on the zen gear it should have really good soundstage on that though they may be a little sharp/fatiguing depending on you ears. If you don't have the signature then the 560S are probably the way to go.
Though obviously the zen can signature 6XX is designed for the 6XX headphones and apparently makes them even better - I haven't tried it.
@@Crivicus Thank you very much
And last question out there who says the 58x is better than the 560s in games and music
What do you think is this true?
Prefer the TYGR to my HD58X at this point. More comfortable for me and, frankly, there's just something about that particular sound profile that really fits my tastes. I think it's that emphasis on lows/highs and soundstage. It really doesn't suffer at all for vocals either, imo. Shy of the Sennheisers, because of course it is, but ain't a slouch.
Wear it the most out of all my cans and don't get much in the way of fatigue. Just wish, fervently, that changing the pads didn't massacre it.
OH MY GOD I just got my dt880 600 ohm and even though and I'm running it off the iFi Zen Dac I can still hear all the detail from that lovely backing track, makes me so relaxed
is it loud enough though? (without needing the Zen CAN?)
I got my 300 R one week ago and I love it. Since I mostly use it for gaming, it‘s a completely different experience compared to my cheap superlux. I used to turn around because I was confused where a certain sound came from. With the 300 R you feel extremely immersed.
Did you also upgrade from the Superlux HD330? My gf couldnt quite understand why my new headphones looked just like the old ones when looking from behind :D
@@DasDieDerErik no, I upgraded from HD 681. Everyone said they were so great. They aren't. They are good value but not good sound.
Tygr 300 is one of the best deals I have ever had. Insane performance for the price.
i agree and i find it kinda weird that it feel like it still is an underground not publicly praised headphone, even though everyone i saw talking about them praising them
Great review!! I'm humbled by how you seem to be blown away by the performance of the 560S. I fancy myself an audiophile, but I don't presume to possess your body of technical knowledge. I relied in large part on this review to pull the trigger on the 560S. Being retired and on a very limited income, price vs performance is key with me. I snagged a pair of these directly from Sennheiser, refurbished, for 100 bucks, with full factory warranty. That, combined with generally glowing reviews of these cans, convinced me that I couldn't pass on the opportunity. They're to be delivered in two days, but I can't try them out until the interface cables I ordered are delivered next week. Can't wait!! I intend to use them solely for music/movie listening on both my TVs. My main entertainment system is controlled by a Yamaha HTR 75W per channel receiver/amp. They will interface with my bedroom system via an RCA splitter connected to the internal variable-output analog DAC/amp in my second TV. Fingers crossed that this all works as planned! Thanks again for sharing!
How was it?
Watching this while wearing my beloved HD6XX. That said, I now feel like I need those Beyers in my collection. Awesome comparison dude!
Alright so I currently own the HD560s and the HD650 (basically the 6XX), and have owned but given away the Tygr 300r. In the most simplest of terms, the HD560s is my favorite of the three by far (it's not even close) because of the unbelievable clarity. Everything just sounds so good in them. The HD650 is a relaxing listen, but definitely not as clear as the HD560s. That's not to say it isn't clear, but it sounds like there is a thin sheet for lack of better words over whatever you're listening to compared to the HD560s. The Tygr 300r were the most warm and had a lot of bass which I just wasn't into. It's funny because before I got into the whole audiophile scene, I felt like I needed a lot of bass and now it's something I consider not very nice.
Comfort wise, I really like all three. I could wear any for 5+ hours no problem.
Btw, I should mention I listen to music using Amazon HD tracks with a modi 3 / Asgard 3 stack.
@@Roza_ oh yeah. It’s efficient enough to run without either. Sounds great on my cell phone, though it isn’t practical because the cable is LONG
You should try some Sundaras if you love your 560s! Or stick with the 560s for a while, that it great too.
@@Bloogly89 I'm the original commenter, this is just my second account. Since I bought those headphones, I acquired the Sundaras and DT1990s. I actually don't find the Sundaras to be good for me subjectively. They're very sterile and sound like... distant? Idk. They just aren't for me. The DT1990s are interesting. They're sharp but not the point where it hurts. They're not the DT990s (I own the 990 600ohm variant.) I find myself using the DT1990s more than all my other headphones because 1. I love the coiled cable, and 2. they work for pretty much anything. I don't think their sound profile is as good as the HD560s or warm and pleasant as the HD650, but they just work. I use the analytical pads on mine and they sound great. Close to neutral, but a bit bright with punchy bass. If I could only keep one pair, it would probably be the DT1990s, with the HD560s as a close second.
@@avatahr7547 pro tip, if u are a gamer PLEASE use your dt1990s/560s for gaming especially if you are competitive. Those are literally 2 of the best gaming headphones in the WORLD for competitive gaming right under the King hd800s!!!
@@soraflame66 howdy howdy! So, I actually ended up with some focal clear Mg and arya stealths that I bought probably four months ago, and I still prefer the dt1990 for everything overall 😂 the arya I find very bright and airy- too much so for my taste. The focal are very pleasant but also overwhelming in a sense that I can’t really describe. They just throw everything at you. Dt1990 definitely have some magic for everything
That was a great comparison between the new HD 560s and the HD6XX. It seems a lot of people are wondering how these two compare to each other and you did a great job explaining it. Here’s my question: if the HD6XX is warm sounding, why doesn’t it pair best with a solid state amp that can brighten it up a little more?
I have solidstate and tube amps with hd6xx...the bottlehead crack tube amp sounds fantastic! I heve a really good solidstate amp and hd6xx sounds great with it too.
The BHC amp adds better treble and deeper bass. The is something special about tube amps, they add depth to the sound stage and give more width. They also seem to have better tonal density and more natural tone. Otherwise both amps are great.
@@massivemikeh Tubes are the best thats why the best headphones in the world use them, speakers also & guitar amps. Well they are for people who love music not those who work with music and make analysis. Some folks like their solid state and planar sharpness with digital perfection harsh for ear drums, without soul, cold as ice.
Honestly, I feel like I have all bases covered with the QC35, 6XX, and DT 1990. They complement each other very well
i have the 660s and was thinking of buying the 560s, but after watching this video I am no longer convinced that I need them. Thank you for helping me keep my money inside my wallet.
I have to say, if you haven't heard the way an HD6x0 sounds on a Valhalla 2 Tube Amp with stock tubes, you're missing out. The way the stage opens up is something to behold, one of the best presentations of staging I've EVER heard. it's a bit dry/airy, but if you want to really hear what the real potential of the stage is on these headphones you'd be missing out if you didn't give it a shot.
Great, great video! I love the fact that you did mentioned the elephant in the room.
It's becoming hard to be a budget enthusiast.
Not because it's hard to find good quality for the price, but because everything is getting so good for the same price.
Definitely gonna cop the HD560S now
as a tygr owner im jealous of how little you talked about them :(
PC38X is wonderful headset for gaming. I have tried that and the HD560S and I have found the 560S to be much better sounding and cleaner imaging then the PC38X. If I needed a mic I would have kept the PC38X but since I have a Blue Yeti Mic I chose to stay with the HD560s. Need a mic? Get the PC38X otherwise get the HD560S because you cannot remove the mice from the 38X which is a pretty big design flaw if you ask me.
Hey DMS, in your recent video with Joshua Valour you mentioned that you would make a video on why high impedance headphones are better for amps than low impedance ones. Will this video be coming anytime soon?
Low impedance headphones (Tygr) distort on amps very easily, whereas higher impedance headphones (58X, 6XX) can get louder while staying cleaner.
Thanks, I ordered PC38x on massdrop after your video.
Thank you for the review. It seems the 560s may be closer to my Grado Rs2E in transparency. I love the imaging and timber on the Rs2E. I have the HD 600 and the HD 559. The 600 is a pain to drive with amps. It makes me put them away for long stretches of time. Come to think of it, I have never married myself to the HD 600. Just too picky of a headphone for me. On the other hand the HD559 is really interesting to listen to across all the styles of music I like. Rock, Jazz,Classical, folk, acoustic blues, electric blues. My reference system is Mcintosh Amp, preamp, eq, and speakers. I use Headroom and JDSlabs CMOYBB headphone amps. I have had an IFI Zen dac/amp, Lokje PS 20 , Schitt Magni Uber 2. The Headroom which is 13 years old and the CmoyBB sound better to me with both Senns and Grado.
Appreciate you touching on which is best for gaming. Helpful for someone looking for a competitive gaming headphone to compliment their X2's. Just wish the PC 38x came without a mic.
Why didn't u get the hd560s haha Dms is wrong about one thing in this video, the hd560s are actually BETTER for competitive gaming than the pc38x by a decent margin and have no mic. The pc38x are only better in the fact it has a mic, volume knob, and more bass for fun immersive gaming but for PURE competove 560s are insane for gaming!
Can you do a gaming headphone tier list or top 5 you’d recommend. With the new consoles coming out I’m sure there a lot of people looking for the best gaming audio. I just bought the dt990s and I’m curious where they rank
I had TYGR and DT990Pros, DT990 are more resolving and sharp than TYGR has softer treble. Same Imaging on both, but soundstage feels more accurate on the DT990Pros due its sharper treble. TYGR as a tame DT990Pro in a good way makes it more comfortable for long sessions. I return the TYGR the difference wasn't enough I preferred the more tune one, than have two almost identical headphones in my collection. So if you find it comfortable and you do great on gaming, you are not missing out anything my friend. Hope it helps.
Top 5 gaming headphones in the world
1. Sennheiser hd800s nothing beats it
2. DT 1990 Pro (NOT the 990 this is far better for gaming)
3. Sennhesier hd560s/PC38X very very close hd560s better for pure cpmpetive and pc38x more all rounder because of mic, more bass so better for immersive gaming
4. Akg k712 pro almost a tie with number 3's Picks. Very very good for competitive/immersive gaming
5. This a is a wide answer. This is basically the Dt990s, Tygr 300rs, Sennheiser pc37x, Akg k702, Audio Techina ad700x and so on. These are all great for gaming and around the same ballpark.
subbed, love the video, music and how clean the video audio is with a light music in the background
Bought both the TYGR 300 and the HD560s, using them exclusively for gaming. My pick is to keep the HD560s. I'm certainly not an audiophile but the TYGR sounded way too muffled. The HD560s are crystal clear and the soundstage seams (to my ears) wider. Picking up way more details with them.
Then you for sure got defective TYGRs lol. Cause everything you said is backwards then some for me and yes i currently own both the 560s and the TYGR and many more of various headphones.
560s are actually better for competive gaming than the tygr300r I owned and love both but returned the tygr300r. If you want a headphone that's FUN and more immersive but still GOOD for competive/any gaming then u want the tygr300r if u want PURE COMPETITIVE advantage (but possibly less enjoyable sound signature wise Subjectively) then the 560s is better no question by every reviewer also. If I want that V shaped sound signature and bass I just use another one of my Fostex or other cans. Keep in mind sound signature and what you like more is subjective but Sound QUALITY and Directional audio for competitive gaming is not subjective since for example the hd800s and hd560s are Undisputedely some of the best In the world In that regard. Hope that helps!
@@soraflame66 Again I 110% disagree here. I OWN BOTH CURRENTLY and the tygr imaging is just too much better and the BASS has NVR got im the way of me tracking any enemy step for step. You say the 560s is better BY EVERY REVIEWER, sight those please because its just not what I have experienced or seen in reviews...... Heck even my HD58x image better than the 560s lol.
@@pwn3426 youre hella trippin, ive seen about 10 reviews of the hd560s comparisons and they all say its the best directional audio and soundstage for gaming, so i think your unit is a defect cuz as the gentleman tried to tell you,..they ALL SAID that the 560s is the best for gaming and give the best position of enemies !!
@@xRealUzz it can be 10 or even 100 reviews, you can still feel it differently when you try it.
and also we know that audiophile reviewers do not play competitive games at a high skill level
just ordered the 560s. Looks like a great all rounder
Nice comparison! Interesting opinion about the 300R. It would be great to know your opinion on the AKG K712 Pro. It has come down in price, at least here in Europe (217 EUR), and has good impressions from metal571, Zeos and Josh.
For me, the HD560s is the most comfy, as no part of my ears touch the insides, compared to the HD6X0 line. Very comfy, would recommend
Agreed. Been using hd58x which has same design as the 6 series I think but got the 560s today and they’re a lot less fatiguing and more comfy and plushy
Well, now I am waiting for that Pc38x to know how it compares HD560s :D
you already have 560s? I kinda envy you
@@darklyger64 Waiting for the video, I am still thinking about which I want more. But some people do have them indeed.
Any update?
Which did you end up liking more?
Finally a good quality video. Thank you!
Definitely TYGR for me, 560S is 200€ and 120ohm so I need an amp of minimal €100. TYGR is 135€ (Germany).
It's 120 ohm but pretty high sensitivity. Shouldn't be hard to drive at all.
560s...MADE IN CHINA BTW
@@2h145 does it matter? Nope
@@AlanGonzalez-ev6ur when germans don't find their product worthy of putting their hands on it :( YOU KNOW WHATS UP
@@2h145 Transducers made in Ireland
Really love my HD6xx on tubes. Tor Audio Roger makes them sing. So full and exciting.
Hey DMS can you please to a sivga Phoenix video? They’re fantastic although I’m not so sure the fit will be great for you but I think they belong in this category and family of headphones
Again, and again. The value for money of audio today is the best it's ever been and it's still getting better. Better gear for fewer and fewer dollars. I have the original Sennheiser HD-580 Precision. Build quality? It's like new. Looks like new, sounds like new. When I first got these, I disliked them immensely. Coming from two-channel speaker audio, I wanted finally give headphones a try. Compared with my Magnepans and Conrad-Johnson tube monoblocks, even with a nice Pete Millett headphone amp and very pricey, large-chassis external DACs, the 580s sounded like my ears were filled with cotton.
Revisiting this more recently, I committed full-on to the Sennheiser thing and got a set of 6XXs and built up a couple of different Bottlehead tube amps. Yep, lovely. Accurate, linear,? Nope. But just lovely. A unique experience, and a very notably pleasant one. It can come close with some other gear, but the whole tubed/Senn experience is a beautiful thing.
I recall seeing the design brief for the 650/6XX, and what I recall as comments by Axel Grell, that the 650 was a tuning/damping experiment with the goal of a headphone that was just easy to listen to.
A note about the 58X Jubilee vs. the 6XX, and I've seen others mention this. The 58X is a nice headphone, but it sounds the same with whatever gear it's working with. The 6XX can change character quite a bit with equipment change.
Thank you for your amazing detailed comparison. I would love a comparison between the HD560s, 6xx and the Hifiman Sundara. Also how difficult it is power the new 560s, can it be powered portably I mean using a hi-res player like the DX160 or M11 for that matter.
Thanks
i have been waiting for a hd 560 s restock since before i was born.
Its on best buy right now not sure where you live
A favorite pick for pro fps players is the 560 . It’s like having wall hacks compared to the pc38x . Add a Modmic to the 560 and an entry level dac/amp and you’re all set and goes the same for listening to music .
TYGR with a modmic craps all over the 38x and the 560 and yes I have had them all and many more. I can track you step for step no matter where you are around me.
@@pwn3426 nope, for from true. I own the tygr300r, pc 38x 560s and many others. 560s is the BEST for competitive gaming out of these 3. The pc38x and tygr 300r are neck and neck. Tygr300r may have ever so slightly better imaging than both but the BASS RUINS THE DIRECTIONAL AUDIO for pure competitiveness. Keep in mind the tygr 300r are still FANTASTIC for competitive and very fun immersive bass and if their bass was NEUTRAL it might even have outperformed the 560s for competoive but that's not the case and the 560s are simply better
@@soraflame66 Like i said I own the 560 and I disagree 110%.... You ever hear of equalization tho? lol. The tygr have quite a bit better imagining and turn the bass down that most people claim is more than it actually is. I do not find the BASS on my TYGR EVER interfere with my tracking anyone down step for step in EFT which is the only fps game I play. My 560s are ok but can not compete with the TYGR man I do not know what else to say. I go from the 560s to the tygr and I feel like i enabled a cheat.
This answered my questions so much, will use your affiliate link.
Would it be a good idea to pair the 560s with a good eq/pre-amp? Since it's so flat, you can fine tune it to find the exact sound you need, whether it's for gaming, movies or music. At least it sounds that way to me
After watching this I decided to download some flac music for the first time. I was surprised how much better it is than youtube/spotify ( I have had the 300R and 770 pro 80ohm on a monolith THX desktop for half a year+)
I just found some of my most favorite music in lossless. I just heard some of my most favorite music for the first time. wow
Hey DMS, love your videos, very informative. I would love to see a review or at least get your thoughts on the AKG K712 Pro. You can get it shipped to the US for about $250 all in so I think it's a good competitor to the three headphones mentioned here.
I can tell u! The akgk712 pro are AMAZING for gaming like just as good about 99.5% as good as 560s and pc38x for gaming but have even more detail slightly. The 2 downsides are 1. Build quality is a gamble many reviews and people state that they can break easily. 2. The sound signature is VERY neutral and bass light, these are God tier headphones for gaming and great for music too IF u like VERY FLAT reference tuning. If not then you'll only love them for gaming
awesome review DMS!
Yo, DMS! I wish you made a video about the behind the scenes of the headphone industry. How does one go about building a headphone? What can and can't be tuned? How is that done? What things can a manufacturer to change their headphone sound signature (maybe Sennheiser would be a great example - very similar chassis but different sounds from each one). Being a relatively new comer to this community I'd appreciate that a lot!
This!
These 3 vs Sundara? I know it's a bit of a step up $€-wise but I am on the verge of ordering one and don't want to hear I made a mistake 2 days in. Also 38X vs Sundara in regards to gaming, please.
Curious about this as well. I got the Sundaras (Wearing them right now). They are great but I needed to EQ them as I found the 8k peak to be a bit much for me. They are also pretty hard to drive. You def need an amp with them. My biggest concern is Hifiman is not known for durability/quality control. I am still waiting for my HD 560s to arrive, will keep the one I like better.
I have Sundara and all HD 5 and HD 6 series ... I can tell u my opinion about Sennheiser VS Sundara but u have to tell me the Sennheiser model . But before u tell me the model i will tell u that my Favorite Headphones are HD 660s and Sundara but for different reasons , with those 2 i am fully satisfied because they are different and so good on what they do . For example SUndara are the kings on Seperation and Clarity on highs nothing can compare from all the other headphones that i have , BUT Sundara do sound Metalic some times and colder with Soundstage that some people will like this big presentation and some people that like Closer in your head vocals surrounding by instrument's will choose HD 6 series. HD 660s on the other hand they have the same detail like Sundara but not pushed to you like Sundara its there but u have to listen carefully because Vocals on HD 660s are closer to you and the Kings on vocals are again HD 660s , also Imaging on HD 660s are better than Sundara pin point direction is easy to understand on HD 660s i guess smaller soundstage helps with that. Also HD 660s dont have the seperation and air between instruments that Sundara have... the instruments on HD 660s blend together like u hear the music in Real life ... To put it simple Sundara are like DIgital era that someone has take all the instruments clean them and move them far from each other, On HD 660s are smooth like analogue sound and instrunmenst sound like they are on the same room with U .... I hope i helped u and if u want comparison with other Specific headphone u can ask.
@@Tripokaridos22 Thanks for the comparison, I'm waiting for my 560s to arrive to see which I prefer and will keep the winner.
For gaming specifically, id choose the tygr or 38x for that instead of the sundaras
@@jjpablo i havent heard TYGR or 38X :(
Would be awesome if you could compare them to hd 660s
There is no better compliment one can give to headphones than, you just couldn't stop listening to music even though you were just trying to listen to a couple of songs to start the review.
560s seems like the best starting point to build from.
Anybody willing to get me closer to the 560s please let me know!
Waiting my Tygr's 300r to arrive, already have the hd58x so let's se how they compare
For anyone interested, i like the Tygr 300r more than the 58x that i have been maining for the last 2 years, they have more bass, more highs, slightly less mids but still good, and the soundstage and imaging it's very good, especially if it's paired with a decent amp/dac, comfort wise i prefer the Sennheisers because of the oval shape earpads that fit my ears like a glove, in the Tygr's they touch a bit my upper part of the ear having the rounded pads, lets see if with a bit of use the pads became more lose, build quality Tygrs >>> Sennheisers, 100 % recommended buy.
@@Crusher91 thanks, I can't wait to have mine TYGR. They probably will arrive tomorrow.
@@Crusher91 i will buy the tygr 300r kit with Fox mic.
The Fox mic have a built in audio card/amp for this headphone, whatd do u think? have enough power to drive 300 r?
@@Crusher91 thank you for this! Do you have any recommendations between the tygrs and the 38x?
@@1117Jrod I have not tried those sorry
ok getting the HD 560s to have as an open back mdr 7506
How does the the 560s compare against the Hifiman Sundara/Ananda?
Those are way better but the 560s are still a great headphone. If u want a very very neutral heasphone, enjoy that sound signature for music (I mean literally flat sound) and also want great competive gaming headphones then the 560s are very hard to beat at 155-200$. If u want a overall better heasphone for music with tuning made for music then DEFINITELY buy the Sundara/Ananda over the 560s albeit more expensive.
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Well I think this decides what I’m getting. I’ve been looking for set of headphones to be all rounders for my new pc I’m building and the record collection I’m starting, and after this 560s seems perfect for that use case especially because I’m thinking of adding a Schiit Loki to the music set up so if I’m missing a bit off the 6xx warmth I can just turn a dial. I know I’m getting that Sennheiser gaming amp/dac because I need on the fly voice chat mixing but I feel like I need to double check my music amp choice just to be certain about the final set up now.
You could look at the schuit hell
Wiepke de Jong doesn’t have what I need and I’m set on what I’m getting for gaming. Right now I’m trying to choose between a Magni 3+ and Loki stack or an atom and subjective 3 stack. This would be going in to a uturn orbit with the built in preamp.
did you end up getting the 560s? Do you like them??? I'm planning on upgrading my current beater headphones for my pc setup and right now I think I'm leaning towards the 560s. I wouldn't call myself an audiophile at all, although I had a steelseries gaming headset that was pretty expensive and I thought for the money it sounded like shit. I'd rather have my wired apple headphones lol. That's not what i'm using now, I actually have a pair of budget studio montior headphones i bought like 4 years ago from amazon. They're okay. Anyways, I play games and it would be cool to have great accuracy in Valorant and CSGO for instance, but I also want the headphones to sound really good with music, i listen to lofi, oldschool rap, edm, indie rock, a lot of different genres lmao. The 560s seems like it's the best all round option for me. Would love to hear some thoughts!
@@PearseXI havent been able to pick anything up but they are still the first thing Im getting once I can afford a amp/dac stack
@@PearseXI I'm happy to help u, I own all these headphones and am a competitive gamer as well as a audiophile. The 560s are the best out of the pc38x, the tygr300r and the 6xx in terms of PURE competitive gaming. The pc38x and tygr headphones are STILL AMAZING gaming headphones don't get me wrong, they are still great competitively and have better immersion/bass for gaming than the hd560s but if u ONLY want the best competitive advantage then get the 560s it has better imaging and treble which translates to better "directional audio" aka footsteps gun fire people yelling etc etc. I've used all 4 for gaming. The pc38x are slightly worse for competitive gaming than the hd560s but have 1. A mic 2. Easier to power through just your computer without an amp or dac 3. More bass for a more immersive fun experience but LESS competitive edge. So please decide which ones u want based on these factors and your preferences. Enjoy!!!
@DMS Hey i like your reviews and i wanted to tell something intresting and may a idea for you to think of to find some headphones. Hunt showdown is an fps shooter which use stereo binaural audio staging. And i tried the pc38x,hd560s,sundara,dt880,ath r70x and i hav to say. When it comes to hunt. Pc38x seems weak on pinpointing and right staging. The hd560s did there a very good job while the sundara fails in total in this game. The dt880 were a bit weaker then the hd560s in stage and imaging. But the best peak for me was the r70x on hunt showdown. May try the game. It delivers a very unique sound for gaming :)
Thanks DMS! 1question please: 560s or Sundara? Thanks!
If you have tiny ears the Sundara won't piss you off in 30 seconds. I can't listen to the round pad HifiMen. Comfort is very important for headphones, after all.
Awesome review thanks for your valuable insight
Amazing vid 🔥 Thoughts on the HD560 vs TYGR 300R vs DT 900 PRO X as it relates to the technical aspects - which ones would be less likely to aggravate tinnitus for those who suffer from it on a daily basis? (Of course volume is important but what about from other aspects, treble, bass etc that would cause less fatigue when playing FPS or listening to isochronic tones?)
Based on what he described probably the 6xxs they have the least fatiguing sound
@@durrantmiller8810 560S have very bright treble which is less hurting then DT xx0 series, but it's also bright. 900 pro x has an adequate treble. But yes, HD 650/660 will be more comfortable for listening.
Great video.
I just wish the 6xx was replaced by the 58x.
58x vs pc38x would make up for it. ;-)
I would be really interested how you think the Sennheiser HD599 Rates in comparrison. I just got it for around 135 bucks and i'm pretty happy with the sound. Just curious about the comparrison.
599 have more warmth in the sound, slightly better sounding mids musically but a tad more detailed and sterile sounding on the 560s. Also a tad more soundstage on the 599 very close but the 560s have better detail retrieval, more neutral and better treble. 599 has more bass so a more musical bass while the 560s has a very flat reference bass albeit ever so slightly more detail in it than 599.
Finally, a video i really enyoy from DMS, i have been waiting for so long, cheers DMS, you are in your way
Hello, thank you so much for doing this video, would you say that the TYGR 300R is better than the pc38x for music and movies as well? or just gaming? thank you!
PS: i will probably buy sound blaster g6, so tell me which one would be better please
I just got a pair of 560s and love them, I use a FiiO btr7 Bluetooth dac amp and they sound great, but I’m already wanting to get a set of hd600, not that I need them, I’m just curious about all the good I hear about them, but my 560s are never leaving my collection ever, they are too damn good for the money
How does the Sennheiser Game One compare to the PC38X?
less bass maybe overall worse but both suck for music due to frequency response boosted in mid treble for footsteps
Thanks for all video 🙌🙌🙌
I would be interested in hearing the 560 S with the THX 789. Just absolutely the most linear analytical experience ever. Would be nice.
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I have the pc37x and have been thinking of upgrading to the 560s for music and the tygr300r for gaming, wasn't expecting the pc38x to beat the tygr. Can we get a comparison between the tygr and pc38x for gaming to better explain why the 38x is better? And maybe also the 37x vs 38x to see if it's worth an upgrade?
I guess it is because bass on tygr can hide some footsteps in the mix
I bought the TYGRs before the pc38x came out and i was mostly gonna play games with them but they have append my door to the music world so in my opinion the are great if you are gonna play games and listen to music
Is Beyerdynamic TYGR 300R actually a bear or a tiger? :)
I guess it hits like a bear & roars like a tiger ;)
@@Raterex tigerdynamic and beardynamic :) Oops, I got a third word here - beard... so is it a bear with beard-ynamic? Ok, I'm getting crazy here :D
The 38x isn't even close to the 560 for gaming.. not even close. And the clarity and sound staging of the 560 is much better than the 6xx or 650s for competitive gaming, and identifying directional audio.
How well does the 560s EQ? Since it's so flat, seems like it would be a great headphone to be able to adjust with EQ to the music style you are listening to, or optimize for gaming. Is this the case?
EQ works well for making small adjustments and removing peaks etc in treble or adding loudness control if you are listening at low volumes, but it will not change the signature of a headphone. Better solution is to buy a headphone for different use cases, so monitoring/analytical, gaming, enjoying certain music genres. If you want a headphone that comes closer to do it all you really have to look to something like Focal Clear, Hifiman Ananda, etc.
@@gerard3797 So, I disagree. A good headphone driven by a good amp can easily EQ up or down about 8 DB without issue. An 8 DB difference from neutral is going to change the sound enough to where it can be pretty close in signature to other headphones.
I currently have the Hifiman Sundara's and they EQ incredibly well.
If you have something like a DT 1990 and you want to bring the treble down to a HD 650, it's not going to work because the treble is SOO over bloated, but if you have a neutral headphone, within 5-8 db adjustments, you can def change the sound signature enough based on what you want.
The question is, how well do the drivers respond to this?
If the 560s drivers respond as well as my Sundara drivers do with EQ, it really could be the jack of all trades. I can't wait to get my 560s, but, it seems to be significantly delayed by almost 2 weeks now since it was "released"
@@jasonfranciosa Thanks, looking from your experience that might be a very interesting question indeed. Which hardware or software do you use for EQ and which Dac/Amp? And did you compare your EQd Sundara's with something like the Clears or the Ananda's?There is a lot more of course to sound than frequency response alone and my experience with big EQ adjustments (especially on hi-end gear) is that it introduces a level of distortion and unnaturalness to the sound typical audiophiles (including me) don't want. But maybe that depends also a lot on the quality of the DSP/EQ used and is less apparent on budget gear. From my experience it just makes a lot more sense to start with something that is close to the Harman curve (for headphones) instead of a lineair response, but I just don't think that is possible at a budget price level without any serious compromises. From what I have seen something like the Clear and Ananda are a much better starting point with better drivers (also in terms of dynamics, depth, imaging, soundstage/scale, punch, etc).
I will receive the RME ADI-2 (with 5 band parametric EQ) pretty shortly, and was planning on ordering the 560s just for monitoring/analytical purposes (and maybe later on the Clears or Ananda for enjoyment), but will be interesting to see your experience as well.
@@gerard3797 That's where the quality of the driver comes in, You can't massively EQ without distortion, but again, up to 8 db is what I find no issues and can really change the frequency response of a headphone. With that said, all the other properties won't change (Resolution, tambour, speed, clarity, etc.). The Sundaras EQ'd with Peace EQ really made them much more enjoyable for me and handled it excellently as the driver is very capable.
As for a Harman target frequency response, there are plenty of headphones tuned to the Harman target in the "Budget" space, but remember, all tuning is preference. The Harman target is simply a estimated "ideal" target for the average person. Each individual will have their personal preference.
The question is based on the HD 560s's linearity. If your base line is neutral, it gives you a lot more flexibility to EQ within 8 DB or less vs. a frequency response that is already elevated or tuned unnaturally, which, if you wanted to correct, may become distorted with EQ as it's way off. Given Sennheisers reputation for high quality drivers, I expect them to handle it well, which, if they do, could make them the best bang for the buck in terms of versatility at their price point, being able to adjust tuning pretty easily and quickly with Peace EQ depending on what you're using them for in the moment.
@@jasonfranciosa Which DAC and Amp do you use with the Sundara's? The stock tuning of any headphone is not based on EQ (or an elevated level in some way as you put it). So claiming that a linear/flat curve is easier to EQ is just not true, because a flat curve sounds far from natural (for headphones at least). It's basically the outcome of a sum of the used materials, design and size of the driver components (so diaphragm, voice coil, magnet, venting, damping, etc.) and enclosure (ear tips, air volume, etc.). So again the Harman target is a much better starting point than linear and much more close to what most people perceive as natural. The big problem however with budget headphones is that a full range frequency response and smooth harman target is very difficult to reach, without any clear drawbacks in certain area's including sound, detail, stage, dynamics, etc, and especially in the treble department. This is also where the preference in tuning plays a big part, because at that price point you will have to chose the headphone with the drawbacks you are least annoyed about. These drawbacks all become apparent with different music genres in different ways. EQ can only potential change the frequency range drawbacks, but within small limits and with increased distortion/loss in clarity, but it does not impact all other drawbacks. So if you want different experiences and emphasize just buy a few different headphones at that price level or just invest in something around 1k price point. That will give you a completely different level of experience.
DMS drinks tea! good man 👍
Tea is disgusting imo.
Since we're talking about neutral (for the most part) studio/editing headphones, how do the new 560s compare to the R70x or the DT1990 by your opinion?
Dt 1990 are not neutral, they have pretty spicy treble und elevated bass
I dont have R70x but DT 1990 VS HD 560s the HD 560s are way more neutral without spikes ( that sound bright) DT 1990 have more bass and also they sound Clinical and harsh , DT 1990 are perfect for analyzing music and for professionals looking for mistakes, In my opinion not good for music .
@@Tripokaridos22 Thank You
@@ThankYou_AV no problem happy to help
Damn, I wish you could’ve competed the Sivga Phoenix with these
But awesome video!
At least you don't make 20+ videos, just to trash talk and troll around like someone else
So tempted to buy the 560S after hearing you say it might be a DT880 killer last video.
Did you end up doing it?
TYGR easily the best one imo.
i hated the tygr'. that was coming from sundaras. havnt been able to find better.
@WoundrousMindTrick They need some brain burn in like every headphone. What i like about them they are both warm and bright at the same time. They don't have forward vocals raping my ear. Their tuning follows the fletcher munson curve which makes them good at low volume. Most mid forward headphone have very weak lows and highs at low volumes. You need to push volume to get balanced sound out of them which is fatiguing af.
Amazing Review thank u ... Personally i found HD6XX more on my taste smoother warmer like u said.
I actually think the 6xx sucks a lot. everything sounds underwater, no bass, detail is vague, soundstage is meh.
Most overrated headphone EVER IMO.
With what amplification?
Treble ≠ Detail
I agree, they are as narrow as HD600, but less warm, so it makes them sound even tenser. They are a little bit less, but still "nasal", but much more muffled, without being smoother. So while I love HD600 and HD660S, I don't get HD6XX and I'm thinking about selling them. The only argument I would see is if there is a huge sound difference when using better AMP. I have ifi ZEN DAC.
You plug this headphone to one of the most expensive tube amplifiers or solid state amps maybe you can change your mind. But most of HD650 lovers love the warm of HD650 midrange like vocals are phenomenal. I listen to HD650 with outstanding or well records and the voices are so so amazing.
@@nearlyagoodlaugh Magni Heresy/Modi 3
Cant wait to see your review now... But i think i will disaggre on some points.
Good video! In your pc38x i hope to hear a bit of comparisons to tygrs
Hey DMS, just wanted to tell you, this is most helpful review I watched past 2 weeks and I've been doing so audio research. I realised that I stopped enjoying music when switched to HD440 BT and was looking for information about good quality wired headphones and I need to say, it is really hard to find information for mere mortals what to buy. I really like you mentioned if you need amps for those - it is really important information for people entering "mid-range" audio and plenty of other audiophile channels / websites just skips that and compares 300$ headphones on 2k+$ amps since usual audience is well informed already, which was a shame in my opinion. I feel like there is a hole for entry level content with some tips on what to buy that would allow you to upgrade in the future without buying new setup every few months and stockpile ton of hardware because of that. Keep up the good work!
Spend the most on the headphone, any of the HD600 or 500 series is fairly easy to drive despite the impedance because of the sensitivity, it'll probably get loud enough in most anything and be at least 80% of the sounds as spending twice as much on an amp too. You can get an amp later, or something like the fiio BTR5 for a balanced output, high res Bluetooth receiver/external computer or phone DAC, and is just enough to drive the 600's well enough, especially using balanced output.