Strictly speaking, in AotR a Major Hero by definition is one that can be rescued. If they can't be rescued, then they aren't a capital-M "Major Hero." That said, I get where you are coming from with who you put on this list, and I feel most people don't even realize something this semantic.
Ya that’s why I tried to make it clear this isn’t AOTRs definition of major hero, this video is 30 minutes the minor hero one could be much longer lol so I put some extra in this one is probably the biggest reason
@@captonx2 I’d like to know how the hero percentages work. Do they compound? Or does the highest rack cancel out the other heroes. For example: If I have a fleet with Ackbar and Juno , does Akbar and Juno combine to provide 20% or is the the 15 that you receive from Ackbar?
Some thoughts: Bevel Lemelisk is by far one of the strongest Heroes for the Empire - because of his construction bonuses. Because those do also affect Technology-Upgrades. And since those Technologies are structures as well, their build time is also affected by regular governors or the Emperor - so you can stack those bonuses and go through the techs super fast. And in the beginning, when you start with not many ships, his bonuses help you to push them out faster. I'd definitely put him in A-Tier, if not S-Tier. Generally your tier list focuses a lot on the heroes use in combat - and you're undervalueing the GC-aspect. The monetary aspect of the Emperor and the Governors is also important - they each double the base income of one of your worlds. Having them all on Coruscant gives you more than 500 Credits for free every week. That's not a lot in the base game, but a good part of your income in the early game.
Ya I totally agree with everything you said, you can kinda see how I realize halfway through talking about bevel i realize just how good he is, and tbh the “GC heroes” basically all the people at the end and in D tier are almost just going against each other they definitely are very strong but like you said I mostly focused on the combat abilities of the heroes
From what i remember bevels bonus doesn't stack with the govenors bonus when you build techs, its one or the other and they are exacly the same. But he is still pretty nice to have when you wanna make ships
Quick point: Niles Ferrier is required for the "Ship Thief" mission, which can get you a Corvette, Frigate, or Cruiser from that mission. (His Conner Net can disable enemies, making him a decent support ship, but his whole deal is that his ship is armed to fight fighters, corvettes, and even frigates and cruisers)
I love Zekka because because as stealth unit you can apply his admiral bonus to anywhere on the map. Given how spread out the black sun is, that’s huge. Also if you bring him into the battle last you can go over pop cap.
The Dark Haired empire Scout lady is wortlesd in a mission if you ignore her in a battle for 2 secs she is toast. Good space scout though. Put her in a Raider Corvette.
Droids are actually amazing on ground in early game. They 100% repair a vehicle. Pair with Chewie for a raid and you can steal and then keep alive a vehicle.
Bro there so much issues in video. And thats all because you looking at hero descriptions from icons of top right screen -- they are not full for some reason. You should read descriptions from the hero icons on their current locations wherever they are. For example Xizor, Zeka Thyne, Tyber, Bib Fortuna and Durga -- all vigos and providing economic bonuses (also faster merc recruitment). Bin Essada and Jerjerod provide eco monuses too
Ok honestly I forgot those were different, I actually recorded this before looking at the description boxes I went completely based off previous memory and gameplay experience, this is evident multiple times. That’s why I was confused when bin didn’t show his Econ boost, overall I still am mostly ok with this list, keep in mind also this list is mostly a ranking of combat heroes and then the Econ boost heroes are basically ranked in the last tier
@@TJ-vo3rv that’s the idea, lol i thought about putting that in the last comment, also that’s why im pretty sure Piett isn’t rescuable for the same reason
This might get long couse ill edit it as i watch. 5:15 idk when you last use Rieekan but in my experience he is realy tought to kill, flak and AA turrets did nothing to him, mass drivers did very little, turbos could kill him aventualy but that would take a while and he could easly get away. Only thing that will kill him quickly are AA missiles. And dude has stun ions on his transport. I would put him in B-tier. I agree that droids are B-tier but i think you underestimate their usefullness in battle. You put them in a transport, preferably iblis' vehicle and pop them out whenever one of your vehicles needs healing. And kota in C-tier just fuckin hurts my soul, that blind man, along with iblis (the fool?) took down the empire so manny times by now. I would put him in A tier Your placement of palp is fair enough, but i use him in the army so i would put him in A tier At least Iblis got A tier he deserves But what the heck do you mean by juggernaut? He had a vehicle unique to him and the devs changed in to a juggernaut in 2.11? Couse the vehicle he had in 2.10 was great, in fact he could 1v1 veers. Tho the player can easly counter him with AT rockets
Honestly haven’t given a ton of field time to Rieken so i didn’t know he had stun ions, im one of those people that simply fears losing things that I can’t get back so I rarely put them in battle, but I do agree he is pretty tanky especially with his shields being rechargable
What’s really funny is I had to record the first half of this video twice because the first go through my pc crashed and I had Kota at C tier and I kept comparing him to everything and saying he was better, I really think the reason he was so low is he was the second hero to be placed and I expected more heroes to be better that’s the truth, looking back once I finished the video definitely would change something’s and he would be somewhere in B, hopefully that all makes sense
When you use him in your army to you consider him to be that good? I’m not saying I disagree I had a ton of fun using him in my empire campaign but even in battle I feel like he’s max B tier when it comes to how I did this tier list just cause he himself doesn’t provide anything in space
@@admiralmurphy1543 I’ve done it before and never gotten idk if it was changed or what I did it in 2.10, I always thought that’s how you got him but idk 🤷
@@captonx2 I remember that campaign. You seemed to have encountered an odd bug where he didn't spawn for you. He definitely comes from that quest chain, and you can get him prior to Imperial Remnant.
@@captonx2 i can confirm he comes from that quest chain, gotten him before and its listed as one of the "story" missions for the empire. Also, you said Jer Jerrod was pointless, but hes the guy who runs the building of the deathstar in cannon, hes just mainly useless outside of that
Simply the mayor mistake in this video is that you are missing Admiral Daala y Grand Admiral Thrawn, since you punt Admiral Ackbar and some other "minor" heros this is an unforgivable mistake. has side note: Although I am not a big fan of Lando, I think he should be above boba fett in Tier B. On the ground he has the ability to turn enemy infantry, in space he has the random fleet, he is also a governor and to top it off he is a hero that can be rescued.
All the purchasable heroes and heroes like needa will be on the minor heroes, they definitely got the short end of the stick, this video was mostly heroes you start campaigns with
curios on which ones you disagree on, most of the top i agree - just not Leia, she is a money bot, like Mothma & Lando. Her being stealth makes it easy to move her to like Zhar as an example
@@primachpepe8597 I totally agree with this what’s so funny to me is I only use leia for income as well I believe in this video you can literally seem me open AOTR in bespin where leia mothma and lando are but when I read more and thought about her she’s solid in combat plus she has the income bonus which is why she’s high
@@captonx2 she can be strong on raids, but to be honest, thats not her best use imo. especially with my playstyle, i go heavy into economy early on, whilst slowly losing planets. It is why i suck at the black sun & rebels as i have found you got to push your small craft advantage early where the Empire is not (like south west & north east) before vader rolls in with Ozell and an extra ISD and just face rolls what tiny navy you have. The Rebel & Blacksun Eco is much harder to get set up and they just cant stand in the face of the Empire's capital ship game
Strictly speaking, in AotR a Major Hero by definition is one that can be rescued. If they can't be rescued, then they aren't a capital-M "Major Hero." That said, I get where you are coming from with who you put on this list, and I feel most people don't even realize something this semantic.
Ya that’s why I tried to make it clear this isn’t AOTRs definition of major hero, this video is 30 minutes the minor hero one could be much longer lol so I put some extra in this one is probably the biggest reason
@@captonx2 Ahh, that makes sense!
@@captonx2 I’d like to know how the hero percentages work. Do they compound? Or does the highest rack cancel out the other heroes.
For example:
If I have a fleet with Ackbar and Juno , does Akbar and Juno combine to provide 20% or is the the 15 that you receive from Ackbar?
Some thoughts:
Bevel Lemelisk is by far one of the strongest Heroes for the Empire - because of his construction bonuses. Because those do also affect Technology-Upgrades. And since those Technologies are structures as well, their build time is also affected by regular governors or the Emperor - so you can stack those bonuses and go through the techs super fast. And in the beginning, when you start with not many ships, his bonuses help you to push them out faster. I'd definitely put him in A-Tier, if not S-Tier.
Generally your tier list focuses a lot on the heroes use in combat - and you're undervalueing the GC-aspect. The monetary aspect of the Emperor and the Governors is also important - they each double the base income of one of your worlds. Having them all on Coruscant gives you more than 500 Credits for free every week. That's not a lot in the base game, but a good part of your income in the early game.
Ya I totally agree with everything you said, you can kinda see how I realize halfway through talking about bevel i realize just how good he is, and tbh the “GC heroes” basically all the people at the end and in D tier are almost just going against each other they definitely are very strong but like you said I mostly focused on the combat abilities of the heroes
From what i remember bevels bonus doesn't stack with the govenors bonus when you build techs, its one or the other and they are exacly the same. But he is still pretty nice to have when you wanna make ships
@@agentiq007 ya I don’t think they stack definitely a question worth asking the devs
@@agentiq007 You're right, it doesn't stack with the governors. It did in the past however...
Quick point: Niles Ferrier is required for the "Ship Thief" mission, which can get you a Corvette, Frigate, or Cruiser from that mission. (His Conner Net can disable enemies, making him a decent support ship, but his whole deal is that his ship is armed to fight fighters, corvettes, and even frigates and cruisers)
I love Zekka because because as stealth unit you can apply his admiral bonus to anywhere on the map. Given how spread out the black sun is, that’s huge. Also if you bring him into the battle last you can go over pop cap.
Both are solid points especially the second one :)
You really undervalue raids and Econ
The Dark Haired empire Scout lady is wortlesd in a mission if you ignore her in a battle for 2 secs she is toast. Good space scout though. Put her in a Raider Corvette.
ya thats what I tried to emphasis so heavily is that when she is used you have to be so careful otherwise shes gone in an instant
how have i only just noticed that Tyber Zann's picture is straight up Lucius Malfoy (Jason Isaacs)?
I did not that’s actually kinda crazy I bet not a lot of people know that
didnt he do the voice acting for him? cant remember and too lazy to look it up
according to imdb Tyber Zann was voiced by Jake Eberle
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Droids are actually amazing on ground in early game. They 100% repair a vehicle. Pair with Chewie for a raid and you can steal and then keep alive a vehicle.
Definitely not a bad shout
Lando also can get enemy units to switch sides on the ground so that can be helpful for turning a battle in your favor depending on what you find
Also Han and chewing can be used as an envoy and steal credits
I didn’t know that interesting
Bro there so much issues in video. And thats all because you looking at hero descriptions from icons of top right screen -- they are not full for some reason. You should read descriptions from the hero icons on their current locations wherever they are. For example Xizor, Zeka Thyne, Tyber, Bib Fortuna and Durga -- all vigos and providing economic bonuses (also faster merc recruitment). Bin Essada and Jerjerod provide eco monuses too
Ok honestly I forgot those were different, I actually recorded this before looking at the description boxes I went completely based off previous memory and gameplay experience, this is evident multiple times. That’s why I was confused when bin didn’t show his Econ boost, overall I still am mostly ok with this list, keep in mind also this list is mostly a ranking of combat heroes and then the Econ boost heroes are basically ranked in the last tier
Garm Bel Iblis used to be close to an S tier before they gave him the Juggernaut for no good reason the CSA unit was far better and more interesting.
ya I really am not a huge fan of that juggernaught no where near as good what he used to have
@@captonx2 The funny thing is in the eu lore he is meant to have the csa vehicle it's an early prototype they had it right the first time
You mistook Capt. Needa for Admiral Piett.
Ya I put some text on the screen for a few seconds noting that but it’s hard to miss since I don’t say it, my mistake lol
I'm dumbfounded that Akbar isn't rescuable. I even checked the files just to make sure it wasn't a mistake. What the hell?
Ya pretty nuts but makes sense
@@captonx2 I suppose the idea is that if you fucked up that bad, you shouldn't be able to just resurrect your OP Independence lol.
@@TJ-vo3rv that’s the idea, lol i thought about putting that in the last comment, also that’s why im pretty sure Piett isn’t rescuable for the same reason
Great video, I really miss Garms battle platform
Thank you 🙏 and ya that thing was amazing, atleast now you don’t run the risk of losing him in a ground battle lol
What do you mean? Garm doesn't have his mighty armored land battleship? @@captonx2
@@ИванИванов-ь7х7б it’s different now, they gave him a modified dreadnaught, no shields very similar to the imperial one but slightly better
@@captonx2 How is the situation on the ground?
@@ИванИванов-ь7х7б that was him on the ground? I’m confused now lol he hasn’t changed in space
I know you want us to make our own tier lists, but I'd have such a hard time ranking them because I genuinely like all of them >.
Haha ya only a few of these total a genuinely dis like pretty much everyone else I enjoy
This might get long couse ill edit it as i watch.
5:15 idk when you last use Rieekan but in my experience he is realy tought to kill, flak and AA turrets did nothing to him, mass drivers did very little, turbos could kill him aventualy but that would take a while and he could easly get away. Only thing that will kill him quickly are AA missiles. And dude has stun ions on his transport. I would put him in B-tier.
I agree that droids are B-tier but i think you underestimate their usefullness in battle. You put them in a transport, preferably iblis' vehicle and pop them out whenever one of your vehicles needs healing.
And kota in C-tier just fuckin hurts my soul, that blind man, along with iblis (the fool?) took down the empire so manny times by now. I would put him in A tier
Your placement of palp is fair enough, but i use him in the army so i would put him in A tier
At least Iblis got A tier he deserves
But what the heck do you mean by juggernaut? He had a vehicle unique to him and the devs changed in to a juggernaut in 2.11? Couse the vehicle he had in 2.10 was great, in fact he could 1v1 veers. Tho the player can easly counter him with AT rockets
Ya iblis has his juggernaut now no longer has the super tank, the super tank was much better then what he has now
Honestly haven’t given a ton of field time to Rieken so i didn’t know he had stun ions, im one of those people that simply fears losing things that I can’t get back so I rarely put them in battle, but I do agree he is pretty tanky especially with his shields being rechargable
Ya someone else mentioned the combo of using the droids alongside chewie in raids to steal a good piece of armor and then be able to heal it
What’s really funny is I had to record the first half of this video twice because the first go through my pc crashed and I had Kota at C tier and I kept comparing him to everything and saying he was better, I really think the reason he was so low is he was the second hero to be placed and I expected more heroes to be better that’s the truth, looking back once I finished the video definitely would change something’s and he would be somewhere in B, hopefully that all makes sense
When you use him in your army to you consider him to be that good? I’m not saying I disagree I had a ton of fun using him in my empire campaign but even in battle I feel like he’s max B tier when it comes to how I did this tier list just cause he himself doesn’t provide anything in space
You forgot Thrawn😅
Ya I didn’t include new republic and IR stuff as usual 🥲
Thrawn is not Imperial Remnant, you get him from a mission chain at Muunilist.
@@admiralmurphy1543 I’ve done it before and never gotten idk if it was changed or what I did it in 2.10, I always thought that’s how you got him but idk 🤷
@@captonx2 I remember that campaign. You seemed to have encountered an odd bug where he didn't spawn for you. He definitely comes from that quest chain, and you can get him prior to Imperial Remnant.
@@captonx2 i can confirm he comes from that quest chain, gotten him before and its listed as one of the "story" missions for the empire.
Also, you said Jer Jerrod was pointless, but hes the guy who runs the building of the deathstar in cannon, hes just mainly useless outside of that
If I correct Mon Mothma provide 25% health bonus in space too
Ya for some reason some of the bonuses arnt clear if they are for both space and ground or not
@@captonx2 her bonus in space actualy very strong because it stackes with admiral bonuses
Simply the mayor mistake in this video is that you are missing Admiral Daala y Grand Admiral Thrawn, since you punt Admiral Ackbar and some other "minor" heros this is an unforgivable mistake.
has side note: Although I am not a big fan of Lando, I think he should be above boba fett in Tier B. On the ground he has the ability to turn enemy infantry, in space he has the random fleet, he is also a governor and to top it off he is a hero that can be rescued.
Don’t know what makes that an unforgivable mistake lol but ok, I didn’t really consider Daala major and my thrawn was glitched so :)
@@captonx2 I can accept that you don't consider Admiral Daala has mayor but Great Admiral Thrawn is the Imperial equivalent of Admiral Ackbar.
@@Hollex28 I agree, I just had a weird bug for me and have never got thrawn even after finishing the storyline so I just didn’t include him 👍
Bro is missing half the imperial line up
All the purchasable heroes and heroes like needa will be on the minor heroes, they definitely got the short end of the stick, this video was mostly heroes you start campaigns with
Oh god you are so wrong…
Eh it’s an opinion based video your welcome to create your own
Sure bro, i just added my opinion as well
curios on which ones you disagree on, most of the top i agree - just not Leia, she is a money bot, like Mothma & Lando. Her being stealth makes it easy to move her to like Zhar as an example
@@primachpepe8597 I totally agree with this what’s so funny to me is I only use leia for income as well I believe in this video you can literally seem me open AOTR in bespin where leia mothma and lando are but when I read more and thought about her she’s solid in combat plus she has the income bonus which is why she’s high
@@captonx2 she can be strong on raids, but to be honest, thats not her best use imo. especially with my playstyle, i go heavy into economy early on, whilst slowly losing planets.
It is why i suck at the black sun & rebels as i have found you got to push your small craft advantage early where the Empire is not (like south west & north east) before vader rolls in with Ozell and an extra ISD and just face rolls what tiny navy you have.
The Rebel & Blacksun Eco is much harder to get set up and they just cant stand in the face of the Empire's capital ship game