You can anger and disrespect all the living and immortals of the universe. But, always respect and fear the gods of death for they become masters of all for eternity
I love those first lines from Lord Downey. They do a great job of setting up the world, explaining to newcomers that it's a fantasy world where ghosts, gods, and the Grim Reaper are real.
Think about the auditors of reality as the spirits of physics. Everything is quantifiable, and every action and reaction is filed by them. To them, gumans are a HUGE complication. To beings of pure logic, things like love, beliefs, trust, honor, justice are incomprehensible subjects, and makes cataloging the universe oh so difficult. If they had it their way, all planets would be lifeless rocks, orbiting their stars in a predictable rotation.
Hence why Death is rightfully cross with them. If the universe is it be empty and hollow, then it is not life. Even if our beliefs or the things we value are considered make-believe falsehoods by the Auditors, then it'd be an insult to all of our struggles. And Death was moved by all of what we been throughout all of our existence. Hence why he is infuriated by their inability see value in that.
Unfortunately, you're wrong. Love, trust, honor, justice... beliefs... those things *are* quantifiable. They *ARE* comprehensible. And, contrary to what popular stories like to pretend, the results those things produce *are very* predictable. Even now, in your day-to-day life, those intangible qualities of humans are being successfully manipulated over and over and over. Our systems, governed by pure machine logic, have already mapped you out and your flippant belief that they can't *possibly* do so is making you an easy mark.
"and now. there is but one final question; have you been naughty...or nice?" ""Ho ho ho." There are few things more enjoyable than having your would-be bosses' backs up against the wall and rubbing their faces in how badly they have screwed themselves over.
Technically, the moment they became living creatures, Death could take the auditors. He did not, however, and left it to his Granddaughter - it being a 'human' thing and one he wanted to avoid interfering in. He is death, meddling isn't his role, but I think more than that he wanted to allow it to be a human thing. To remain something humans are capable of. He doesn't step in until his granddaughter is threatened...and she's technically under his sphere. Enough, at least, for him to actively interfere although he knew she was relatively alright by herself. She knew that, he knew it, but at that stage, having let her prove herself (and humans) capable, he saw fit to end the interference in his sphere.
After watching that scene a few times, it occurred to me that Death didn't actually harm the Auditors, he just expressed his outrage. I think that when Susan knocked the first one off the cliff, it scared the others, and Death was able to use that to force them back until they fell off.
Death could not save the Hogfather from the Auditors. He wasn't borrowing the office of the Hogfather anymore, he was back to being entirely Death, and Death doesn't save people - that's beyond the scope of his role in the universe. It had to be a human (or at least mostly human) to save the Hogfather. Once the Hogfather was saved (in a manner of speaking), _then_ Death could punish the Auditors for stepping outside _their_ role. But he couldn't stand between the Auditors and the Hogfather.😊
In the book, the Auditors gave the Guild an entire week to inhume the Hogfather, they didn't just show up on the night before Hogswatch. The compression of the book's entire one-week plot into one night caused some completely avoidable plot holes in the filmed version.
Also the auditors are real idiots. I mean if they removed all beliefs from existence, then they would remove themselves from existence as well, for beings such as they generally rely at least some amount upon belief for their own existence. Furthermore, taking on death is even more idiotic, for death exists in all things and is believed in by all things, even immortals. Therefore, to remove belief from the universe is to attempt to remove death and thus create a major problem in the natural order of things, most likely leading to a collapse of the universe. It is death which gives living meaning, for to live is to attempt to leave a mark upon the world before death claims us. The Auditors therefore would never be able to remove all beliefs, for death is both a belief and a fact and therefore exists above such entities as so called “auditors of reality.”
@@luisdominguez2048I kinda feel they are... Critics of the real world People who one at fantasy until it is... No longer... Fantastic. But mundane and boring. Even their favorite works
My headcanon is that the Auditors in their normal, base state don't need anything but the laws of physics to believe in them. But in that base state they don't have any _ambition_ to deal with the "untidiness" of life - those Auditors just get on with making sure two different fermions don't occupy the same quantum state and suchlike. The Auditors who serve as the antagonists in the Death novels, though, are Auditors that have been "infected", ever so slightly, with life. They are not exactly _believed in,_ as such, but humans have a vague notion that _something_ must be out there making sure reality keeps running, and that feeble amount of belief resides in the nearby Auditors and gives them enough life to _almost_ have a personality... at least enough of one that they're capable of having opinions like "life is untidy".
I know the Auditors of Reality are the Laws of Physics and Science BUT they could also be the ones who complain about fiction books with Good World Building and Not Too Many Plot Holes as being Unrealistic. I understand some books have Bad World Building and a Lot of Plot Holes. But if the Fiction Logic is good enough, the Characters are good, and the Plot makes a Reasonable Amount of Sense, and the Story is Coherent and Easy to Read it is an OK but not perfect book. You can avoid reading books that are not your style and you have a right to criticize things but don't treat certain Genres as Purely Jokes.
The way I see it, if the flaws kept you from enjoying a work of art, then I think it's warranted. But, I love this take on the Auditor's. It's as if Pratchett was writing a proverbial middle finger to critics like that. But that's just me.
That is the most heartless thing I have ever read here on UA-cam. How could you wish death on someone that actually brings happiness to others (even if it's just a character in the book) just because they seem disgusting to you? And if you read the book or watched the film you'd know that killing Hogfather would be the same as killing hope/belief itself. Death pretty much says it when he's talking about sun not rising and humans needing belief to be humans.
@@wstavis3135 And are you so unaware of the poison in our souls as to know not to feed it further, but find ways to rip its power away from your soul, and therefore its ability to harm anyone else?
In the story, he gets upset about how unequal the whole thing is (unlike his usual activities) and engages in a bit of wealth redistribution. So it might not be all bad.
I think I'm getting the gist of this. The moment the auditors felt fear is when Death could take them. Am I correct in this hypothesis? - Josh, Hampton Roads, Virginia. Certified American.
Pretty much. The Auditors cannot naturally feel fear or other emotions, they do not have any personality because to them to have personality is to be an individual, to be an individual is to live and to live is to die. The time in-between the beginning and the end (which all beings with a personality have) is indescribably short for beings who experience eternity. When they felt fear they became alive and all living things eventually meet death. For an Auditor, when they develop a personality, they end up dying or rather disappearing. Since they are replaced immediately by a new Auditor so this has little consequence except as a warning to avoid such things.
Hm, I'm curious. Certified by whom? Only certification I'm aware of would be your birth certificate. (Your social security card, passport and photo ID are not certifications.) Got yours handy?
No. I'm sorry, but even stories need some measure of reason and logic. Without that it's just...noise, and no amount of villifying them in anthropomorphic personifications will change that. If I'm missing some context on the Auditors and am making an ass of myself, I apologize.
+FullmetalHeart20 Well off course stories need some logic and reason. The Auditors have a necessary but thankless job to keep the balance of the physical orders and the chaos inducing magic in a world which is basicly swimming in the latter. The problem with them that they in their endless struggle instead of just accepting that the maximum that they can do is to keep everything together they grow incresingly frustrated with how the things "should" work-without librarians turning into orangutans and such- and by time of hogfather they see everything that is not stationary or abiding the laws of physics as an abomination and try to forcefully pressure the world into conforming to their ideas.
FullmetalHeart20 Of course stories need reason and logic, but the Auditors are *only* reason and logic. No imagination, no creativity, no individual spirit. And they hate us, because in defiance of odds we live and thrive and dream. Alone of all animals we tell stories about the universe and ourselves, write, paint, draw - and they hate us because of this. They want us to have never existed because we are chaotic and because we don't make sense. They are antithetical to all human spirit and will. Does that make sense?
The Auditors are not villains. They are antagonists, the difference being a villain does things because he knows them to be evil. The antagonist simply disagrees with the protagonist and if what they are doing IS evil they do not realize it until it's either too late or someone slaps it into them, like Death in the final scene of this video "YOU BROKE THEM" they are the keepers of the rules but they were willing to compromise their own rules to see what they wanted done. That's kinda the point of their appearance in this story, to show the fact that not only are the auditors not perfect, they're getting desperate enough to break their own rules.
"There are rules... and you broke them! *HOW DARE YOU?!*"
I felt the quiet anger of Death.
You can anger and disrespect all the living and immortals of the universe. But, always respect and fear the gods of death for they become masters of all for eternity
- Death said calmly
@@labrynianrebel *Indeed.*
I love those first lines from Lord Downey. They do a great job of setting up the world, explaining to newcomers that it's a fantasy world where ghosts, gods, and the Grim Reaper are real.
A fantasy? Dang it. I thought this was one of those philosophical dramas except with metaphorical anthropomorphic concepts represented by characters.
@@postbunnie That's called a fantasy
"We are the people with 3 million dollars" that one broke me
Very polite person, Death is. He offered someone who'd just been murdered a hand up and ever apologized when he got distracted.
I love the way Death is portrayed in these films
Think about the auditors of reality as the spirits of physics. Everything is quantifiable, and every action and reaction is filed by them. To them, gumans are a HUGE complication. To beings of pure logic, things like love, beliefs, trust, honor, justice are incomprehensible subjects, and makes cataloging the universe oh so difficult. If they had it their way, all planets would be lifeless rocks, orbiting their stars in a predictable rotation.
That’s deep
Hence why Death is rightfully cross with them. If the universe is it be empty and hollow, then it is not life. Even if our beliefs or the things we value are considered make-believe falsehoods by the Auditors, then it'd be an insult to all of our struggles. And Death was moved by all of what we been throughout all of our existence. Hence why he is infuriated by their inability see value in that.
Unfortunately, you're wrong. Love, trust, honor, justice... beliefs... those things *are* quantifiable. They *ARE* comprehensible. And, contrary to what popular stories like to pretend, the results those things produce *are very* predictable. Even now, in your day-to-day life, those intangible qualities of humans are being successfully manipulated over and over and over. Our systems, governed by pure machine logic, have already mapped you out and your flippant belief that they can't *possibly* do so is making you an easy mark.
"and now. there is but one final question; have you been naughty...or nice?"
""Ho ho ho."
There are few things more enjoyable than having your would-be bosses' backs up against the wall and rubbing their faces in how badly they have screwed themselves over.
It's astounding how well written these books are
That's because Lord Pratchett was an astounding author
Technically, the moment they became living creatures, Death could take the auditors. He did not, however, and left it to his Granddaughter - it being a 'human' thing and one he wanted to avoid interfering in. He is death, meddling isn't his role, but I think more than that he wanted to allow it to be a human thing. To remain something humans are capable of.
He doesn't step in until his granddaughter is threatened...and she's technically under his sphere. Enough, at least, for him to actively interfere although he knew she was relatively alright by herself. She knew that, he knew it, but at that stage, having let her prove herself (and humans) capable, he saw fit to end the interference in his sphere.
After watching that scene a few times, it occurred to me that Death didn't actually harm the Auditors, he just expressed his outrage. I think that when Susan knocked the first one off the cliff, it scared the others, and Death was able to use that to force them back until they fell off.
Death could not save the Hogfather from the Auditors. He wasn't borrowing the office of the Hogfather anymore, he was back to being entirely Death, and Death doesn't save people - that's beyond the scope of his role in the universe. It had to be a human (or at least mostly human) to save the Hogfather.
Once the Hogfather was saved (in a manner of speaking), _then_ Death could punish the Auditors for stepping outside _their_ role. But he couldn't stand between the Auditors and the Hogfather.😊
In the book, the Auditors gave the Guild an entire week to inhume the Hogfather, they didn't just show up on the night before Hogswatch. The compression of the book's entire one-week plot into one night caused some completely avoidable plot holes in the filmed version.
You know you've stepped in deep odor when reality itself is taking a contract out on you.
Here I thought only Rincewind was so unlucky....
The auditors reminds me of magical daleks
If you want to know more about the Auditors try and find Thief of Time, it's a Discworld novel and a lot of fun!
Sounds about right
Also the auditors are real idiots. I mean if they removed all beliefs from existence, then they would remove themselves from existence as well, for beings such as they generally rely at least some amount upon belief for their own existence. Furthermore, taking on death is even more idiotic, for death exists in all things and is believed in by all things, even immortals. Therefore, to remove belief from the universe is to attempt to remove death and thus create a major problem in the natural order of things, most likely leading to a collapse of the universe. It is death which gives living meaning, for to live is to attempt to leave a mark upon the world before death claims us. The Auditors therefore would never be able to remove all beliefs, for death is both a belief and a fact and therefore exists above such entities as so called “auditors of reality.”
@@luisdominguez2048I kinda feel they are... Critics of the real world
People who one at fantasy until it is... No longer... Fantastic. But mundane and boring. Even their favorite works
My headcanon is that the Auditors in their normal, base state don't need anything but the laws of physics to believe in them. But in that base state they don't have any _ambition_ to deal with the "untidiness" of life - those Auditors just get on with making sure two different fermions don't occupy the same quantum state and suchlike.
The Auditors who serve as the antagonists in the Death novels, though, are Auditors that have been "infected", ever so slightly, with life. They are not exactly _believed in,_ as such, but humans have a vague notion that _something_ must be out there making sure reality keeps running, and that feeble amount of belief resides in the nearby Auditors and gives them enough life to _almost_ have a personality... at least enough of one that they're capable of having opinions like "life is untidy".
I know the Auditors of Reality are the Laws of Physics and Science BUT they could also be the ones who complain about fiction books with Good World Building and Not Too Many Plot Holes as being Unrealistic. I understand some books have Bad World Building and a Lot of Plot Holes.
But if the Fiction Logic is good enough, the Characters are good, and the Plot makes a Reasonable Amount of Sense, and the Story is Coherent and Easy to Read it is an OK but not perfect book.
You can avoid reading books that are not your style and you have a right to criticize things but don't treat certain Genres as Purely Jokes.
The way I see it, if the flaws kept you from enjoying a work of art, then I think it's warranted. But, I love this take on the Auditor's. It's as if Pratchett was writing a proverbial middle finger to critics like that. But that's just me.
The way I understand this series it was originally written as a critique of fantasy stories but slowly became it own thing that took itself seriously
I miss Mr Pratchett. He was such a genius.
"Sir" Pratchett!
@@corinkenyon3801 absolutely correct. My mistake.
WELL, AT LEAST I HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS, ERNEST,
AND THEN AGAIN I ALSO HAVE SOME BAD NEWS.
"HO HO HO..." EPIC DEATH MOMENT!
And then again... I have some very bad news
Never make death angry
Frosty the snowman was a jolly happy soul
With a corncob pipe and a button nose
And a scythe to reap souls
"Have you been NAUGHTY, OR NICE?"
Congratulation. You are an auditor of reality. An enemy of life itself
There is... Logic in what he says
@ImperatorZor I really want them to do The Thief of Time soon. The Auditors were excellent in that one.
That is the most heartless thing I have ever read here on UA-cam.
How could you wish death on someone that actually brings happiness to others (even if it's just a character in the book) just because they seem disgusting to you?
And if you read the book or watched the film you'd know that killing Hogfather would be the same as killing hope/belief itself. Death pretty much says it when he's talking about sun not rising and humans needing belief to be humans.
Are you really so unaware of your own darkness of soul that you can ask this questIon without the slightest irony?
Pmsl if thts the worst thing u have read u should be greatful
@@wstavis3135 And are you so unaware of the poison in our souls as to know not to feed it further, but find ways to rip its power away from your soul, and therefore its ability to harm anyone else?
HAVE YOU BEEN NAUGHTY... OR NIIIICE? HO. HO. HO.
I want them to do some vimes ones. The Night Watch and Guards, Guards would be good.
Francis Berryman Night Watch Was the most depressing Pratchetts book I’ve reaf
You got what you wished for
Imagine Christmas if santa was like death is here :p
Kyrenaz Kanir best Christmas ever.
In the story, he gets upset about how unequal the whole thing is (unlike his usual activities) and engages in a bit of wealth redistribution. So it might not be all bad.
I think I'm getting the gist of this. The moment the auditors felt fear is when Death could take them. Am I correct in this hypothesis? - Josh, Hampton Roads, Virginia. Certified American.
Pretty much. The Auditors cannot naturally feel fear or other emotions, they do not have any personality because to them to have personality is to be an individual, to be an individual is to live and to live is to die. The time in-between the beginning and the end (which all beings with a personality have) is indescribably short for beings who experience eternity. When they felt fear they became alive and all living things eventually meet death. For an Auditor, when they develop a personality, they end up dying or rather disappearing. Since they are replaced immediately by a new Auditor so this has little consequence except as a warning to avoid such things.
Hm, I'm curious. Certified by whom? Only certification I'm aware of would be your birth certificate. (Your social security card, passport and photo ID are not certifications.) Got yours handy?
hey....they look like Nazgul
So they do, or Dementors. But they’re not so much evil as anti-life because they feel that life makes things untidy. They’re very, very … grey.
David Warner.
I knew I recognised that voice.
Yes there are rules .. and you broke them ... Ho Ho Hooooooo
There are fearsome
always wondered what will happen if the auditor and the elves ever meet.
The Auditors are my favourite Discworld villian. That said, i don't like the Nasal voice they are given.
Maybe the voice doesn’t entirely work. I think they were trying for a voice that makes you think of a petty pen-pusher …
I think they're representations of obsessive critics,
i think you need a grey robe mate
what chapters are these scenes from
Right at the start.(If you mean chapters of the book, it hasn’t got chapters.)
I AM SO PLEASE TO SAY!...At NADWCon last year, become an official member to the assassin guild
Hey, if they broke the rules, why should Death play by them? Ho ho ho
If you want to set the rules aside thats fine. But maybe make sure the one youre also unshackling from rhe rules isnt death himself.
Three million dollars I count her off for you
One
No. I'm sorry, but even stories need some measure of reason and logic. Without that it's just...noise, and no amount of villifying them in anthropomorphic personifications will change that.
If I'm missing some context on the Auditors and am making an ass of myself, I apologize.
+FullmetalHeart20 Well off course stories need some logic and reason. The Auditors have a necessary but thankless job to keep the balance of the physical orders and the chaos inducing magic in a world which is basicly swimming in the latter. The problem with them that they in their endless struggle instead of just accepting that the maximum that they can do is to keep everything together they grow incresingly frustrated with how the things "should" work-without librarians turning into orangutans and such- and by time of hogfather they see everything that is not stationary or abiding the laws of physics as an abomination and try to forcefully pressure the world into conforming to their ideas.
FullmetalHeart20 Of course stories need reason and logic, but the Auditors are *only* reason and logic. No imagination, no creativity, no individual spirit. And they hate us, because in defiance of odds we live and thrive and dream. Alone of all animals we tell stories about the universe and ourselves, write, paint, draw - and they hate us because of this.
They want us to have never existed because we are chaotic and because we don't make sense. They are antithetical to all human spirit and will.
Does that make sense?
Loren Daemon It does make sense.
The Auditors are not villains. They are antagonists, the difference being a villain does things because he knows them to be evil. The antagonist simply disagrees with the protagonist and if what they are doing IS evil they do not realize it until it's either too late or someone slaps it into them, like Death in the final scene of this video "YOU BROKE THEM" they are the keepers of the rules but they were willing to compromise their own rules to see what they wanted done. That's kinda the point of their appearance in this story, to show the fact that not only are the auditors not perfect, they're getting desperate enough to break their own rules.
It’s about balance. And the Auditors were upsetting it.
They aren’t vilified as long as they followed the rules.