Compressing Rap Vocals With A Classic Two Compressor Chain Stack | Waves CLA 76 to CLA-2A, 1176 LA2A
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- In this Episode of Wavy Wednesday's I'll be showing you how to use a classic dual compressor vocal chain to achieve smooth vocal compression and analog warmth on your lead vocal. I'll show you how you can use the Waves CLA-76 Compressor to tame the peaks in your vocal performance, followed by the Waves CLA-2A Compressor to smooth out the vocals even more and add some analog warmth and color to your vocals. This is a tried and true method of vocal compression that can create a nice and smooth sounding vocal.
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Artist: Hookman Q
Song: Pull Up
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This has got to be one of the best tutorials I’ve ever seen. Harvard material✔️
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Facts....
@@christiansandoval2193 Appreciate it!
Being a former teacher, I must say youre doing a great job teaching. Greetings from Europe..
I appreciate the feedback, Im glad you are finding the vids helpful!
Great video thanks for the info! You’re a great teacher. Just wanted to clarify that the compression amount on the 1176 actually increases as you increase the ratio from 4-20 (4 being the least compression, 20 being the hardest limiting) All buttons mode does its own special type of distortion/compression - it’s not actually limiting harder than the 20 ratio, rather it’s constantly changing between a 12:1 and 20:1 ratio while simultaneously varying the attack and release times.
Thanks for the feedback!
Bet dat up⭐
Yup! Agreed, the manual also says “Like many compressors, the higher the ratio, the higher the threshold”..
00:54 Overview of the mixing that we’ve done so far (pre-compression)
02:14 The first compressor - Using for Dynamic Compression (CLA-76)
03:10 Audio before compression
03:28 CLA-76 Controls Overview: Black Vs. Bluey
04:07 CLA-76 Controls: Analog Buttons
04:25 CLA-76 Controls: Input Knob
05:17 CLA-76 Controls: Output Knob
05:50 CLA-76 Controls: Attack Knob
07:12 CLA-76 Controls: Release Knob
08:16 CLA-76 Controls: Ratio Buttons
09:30 CLA-76 Controls: Meter Buttons
10:19 Strategy for using the 1st Compressor (CLA-76)
10:57 Setting the Attack & Release of 1st Compressor (CLA-76)
12:29 Setting the Input knob for gain reduction (CLA-76)
13:25 Before & After 1st compressor; bypassing on and off (CLA-76)
14:30 The 2nd Compressor - Using For Tonal Compression (CLA-2A)
14:44 CLA-2A Controls: Input Knob & Peak Reduction
15:43 Setting the Input & Peak Reduction for the 2nd Compressor (CLA-2A)
17:35 Before & After 2nd Compressor
19:14 Make sure you Remove dead space and any unwanted breaths, clicks, pops, etc. before compression step!
19:54 Show some love! Like, Comment, Share, Subscribe!
This is one of the best compression tutorials I've seen 🙏 love how you explain things very simple and easy to understand. Great job bro 👌💯
Awesome, thank you!
Good shit bro I have not seen a video like this ever that breaks it down to the tee.
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful!
You definitely have the gift of being a teacher 🔥
I appreciate that!
im about to get 60 minutes of these a day
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Best compressor demo I’ve ever seen
Thanks bruh, glad you found it helpful! If you're interested I am working on putting together an in-depth mixing tutorial course. Would love to chat with you more about it. If it sounds like something you'd be interested in, send me a DM on Instagram @therealflyguyj and lets connect!
I’ve been learning mixing for 17 years and this was great teaching easy to understand and your reasoning was low key elite stuff 🏆💯💪🏿
I appreciate that!
Better than many teachers at Uni 🎧🎶
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One important point. The Gain control of an LA-2A is a makeup gain control, not an input gain. This is counter-intuitive to its placement on the panel in what we would normally assume is a 'left to right' circuit. In this case, your input to the LA-2A after an 1176 will be determined by the output of the 1176, and the LA-2A's Gain will determine the final output to the channel.
Came to comment the same! I was so confused using CLA-3(controls match CLA-2) trying use the "gain" knob as a input one. One quick look through the manual and it all made sense!
Yes you are correct, its the output gain!
You're the Greatest. Much appreciation, king.
Thanks bruh! 😎
This guy should have at least 20k subscribers
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Thank you so much! The explanation is very clear and concepts explained are really easy to understand!
Many thanks from Russia, I now finally understand what are these compressors are about!
That's great! Happy to help!
Yes! Was looking for a info about this exact serial configuration with these exact plugins. And as a bonus you also gave me a good refresher about 1176 and LA2A compression in general. Thanks a lot! :)
Welcome! Glad you found it helpful! Happy mixing!
Best explanation I've seen on youtube on the features of the compressors. Thank You 🙏🏼
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Best tutorial I've seen thus far
🙏 Glad you enjoy the content!
those vocal edits have clicks all over it!!! 🙆♂
haha, yes I edited them out later in the video!
Bro, thank you. I appreciate the proper way of being taught and You went over everything and explained everything without skipping steps. I’m following. Thanks bro.
Glad to help! Any other plugins you are interested in learning more about?
@@FlyGuyJ bro, I have so many questions . SSL-E , Valhalla reverb ( what reverbs are best for what ( rap,singing,pop) .. where to mix in a bus or on each track separately. Haha we’d be here all day bro. You explain stuff properly that’s why I enjoy your content so much.
@@derrickjewell5673 all good suggestions!
Bro thanks so much. I’ve seen so many tutorials showing the waves plug-ins and I loved the sound they’ve gotten from them, so when I bought them I honestly don’t use them much because they never explained ntn in exact detail like your doing.
That's what's up! Glad to help bruh!
This video was start to the point! Better than any other video I’ve seen on UA-cam thank you brother
You're welcome. Thanks for the feedback! Keep grindin!
@@FlyGuyJ you too brother
thank you sir
Welcome!
Just bought these plugins. Thanks so much - I watched this video 3x. Awesome instructing.
That's what's up. Glad you found it helpful! Enjoy!
Best tutorial I’ve seen for this plugin. You got a new subscriber
Thanks for the sub! I'm glad you are enjoying the content!
Awesome tutorial! Well spoken and great teaching skills! I definitely learned something today!
Thanks WAVE, glad to help!
Yessi! Blessings
Thank you for this tutorial. Just got my waves plug-ins, now I just gotta learn lol
That's what's up. Let me know if there's any specific plugins you need some help with!
Smoove!!!
Thanks!
Awesome man, I've had the 76 and was having trouble wrapping my head around it but now I get it after watching numerous other tutorials! Thank you, wish you the best
Glad you found it helpful! Happy mixing! 💪
@@FlyGuyJ Thank you, you as well brother. I was close to just buying another comp but now after months of having it I'm more confident then I've ever been with it and feel like I have a whole nother lane open In front of me. You're a great teacher🙏 take care. I'll keep an eye out for more videos from you
@@530Zeno Thats what's up, thanks man, appreciate it!
Great tutorial! Both comps are must haves
Agreed!
Great Job, super informative, well done man
Thanks Jason!
Fly guy j with another great tutorial! 💯
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful!
good video family. exactly what i needed after years smh
glad you found it helpful, any other waves plugins you'd like to see in action?
Great Video!!! Thank you, this was clearly broken down at a great pace and covered everything ive been trying to understand about compressing my vocals! cant wait to get back into the studio now and try some of my newly aquired knowledge.
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Yo super appreciative for this breakdown and tutorial!! Lots of clear information and reasons as to why you are doing what you are doing, when you do it. Keep killing it and consider me a fan! Much love always, ya Boy Smiles!
Thanks Smiles. Appreciate it! Glad to help!
dude you are really good teaching this, congrats
I appreciate that!
Dude this is an amazing overview of these compressors. Tysm 🙏
Glad you enjoyed the tutorial!
Nice tutorial. Something I noticed on the vocal is a popping sound on the word pull-up . If you use a light fade in at the beginning of those words, it'll clear that right up. 🔥🔥🔥 tutorial tho
Yes, agreed! I did this toward the end of the tutorial, you got the right idea bro!
DOPE!!!! The Teacher!!!
🙏Thanks bruh!
7 on the attack setting is the slowest and 1 is the fastest. Where the release knob is opposite.
Great video. Subbed!
Thanks! Appreciate you!
way too small attention @ ur channel much love ❤️
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thank you for the videos, i learn everytime when i viewing your music videos.
That's what's up. More on the way!
Nice tutorial lesson Mr. Fly Guy J and very nice song HookMan Q
Thank you!
Bro i love how u are super detailed and this is amazing you’ve got a new sub keep up the good work 👍🏻
Thanks bruh, Im planning on dropping new tutorials in again very soon!
@@FlyGuyJ same here bro i subscribed you explained it very well my bro
@@deterbobolo384 Thanks, glad I could help out!
Very well presented. Thank you for the knowledge.
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Dope tutorial.. You a real one for this one!
Thanks Pbass!
very good video! i usually compress much more. between 5 to 10 in each compressor
Nice! I compress in multiple stages some on the way into the daw, some before eq, some after eq. If you add all the compression up Im probably in that same range
Oh wait, not each compressor though... overall
Big up yaself. Great video man. Got my vocals sounding crisp
That's what's up! 💪
Super helpful fam!
Glad to help!
Very helpful, thanks!
Welcome! Glad you found it helpful!
very good and helpful tutorial, thanks!
Welcome bro, glad you found it helpful!
I have learnt some thing u deserve my surb....
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Ty for this my guy
Welcome!
Thank you bro.
Welcome!
Very nice breakdown.
Thank you! Glad you found it helpful!
Another great video, thanks man!
You're welcome! Happy mixing!
Madd respect 🏆
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🔥🔥🔥 tutorial keep it up💯💪🏿
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Great tutorial video fam.
Thanks, glad you found it helpful!
Yooo I appreciate it.Ive been using these two wrong.Getting ready to try it out after this J..😎
💪Glad I could help! 💯
thanks man you helped me out!!!
Glad I was able to help you out!
Reached out to you on Reddit
Thanks!
Might wanna edit the attacks by hand on the Pull Up vocals due to a click noise on P.
Thanks for the suggestion, I did take the clicks out later with manual editing
Fire can u talk about distortion
Yes, I will add a distortion video to the list of upcoming vids!
Good Video!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
eye just subscribed 💯🙏🏽
Welcome to the crew! Appreciate it!
A lot of ppl are saying to use the 2a before the 76 now
There are some who like to do it the opposite way around. The most important thing to understand is why you are using an la-76 vs an la-2a, and what you are hoping to accomplish when placing it in your vocal chain. My preference is to tame peaks and then add color/character, and I compress a little more with SSL, or RVOX for final smoothing out and more color on top of those two compressors. Every plugin you add should have a purpose.
Roll off 90 and below. 100/300 usually take out a few db there to get rid of muddiness or 350/600 i cut for boxiness. Try to boost around 2k for more presence and sometimes boost around 6k and then around 10k boost for air. Does this sound right lol
BOSS MAN DROP A VIDEO ONE TIME OF THAT DESSER PLUGIN
I will be dropping new vids this summer. Stay tuned!
Aww shit. I realized that you did clear it up. My bad bro. Still fire tho. Subbed
Yeah I was trying to focus on the compression for the tutorial, but I had to mention that cleanup step since it was such a glaring issue that beginners may ignore
step by step clear explanation! great video. Could you show how you mixed with the 2 track instrumental for this song.
Thanks bruh, and yeah I will do one on mixing the 2 track in the near future!
@@FlyGuyJ thanks bro! and got a question what could be the reason my recorded vocals (Apollo interface and rode ntk) sounds great when recording but in the car it sounds thin? thanks
@@ajtoronto2006 my guess would be that the room you are listening back to your recordings in could use some treatment or may be built in a way where the sound is always going to play a trick on you. What sounds good in that room can sound totally different in a car or another environment. I would use reference tracks when mixing to compare your mix to something that is already released and you know sounds like the sound you are trying to achieve. Also, you can look into room treatment, speaker orientation, etc.
Fly Guy J Productions I appreciate your advice bro. Thanks !
Fly Guy J Productions and my rooms fairly treated. It is a bedroom but I built a mini booth with foam around me in all directions and above me. Speakers in using are jbl 305
why did it make my vocals sound so loud my beat sounds so quiet to my vocals
You probably need to adjust the gain and/or output knob so that the level going into the plugin equals the level coming out of the plugin
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I just purchased Waves CLA 76 but it is now working in my daw,when i open it on the channel it is not giving me any sound. It feels like the signal is no coming through it. I am using Ableton.
Can anyone help me?
Every other plugin from waves i own works just fine
Send me a DM on Instagram and I'll see if I can help you out
@therealflyguyj
@@FlyGuyJ i figured it out,it is working now, thanks anyways✌🏻
@@la_manche1204 That's what' up! Glad to hear it! Enjoy!
Really nice tutorial! Thanks! Question for you, would you be using Noise Gates to remove those pops, please?
I cut them out manually... easier to do it that way and not worry about cutting out some of the quieter parts of the vocal performance
@@FlyGuyJ Thanks for your reply.
@@effwww No problem!
Where the song at bro? I would hope he dropped this. It been 8 months
Artist: Hookman Q
Song: Pull Up
open.spotify.com/album/7i6y9Ak85ngOJuzMnZaQsa?si=xQ2hD7kJQWGAh2f_WXVAbg&dl_branch=1
Nice instructive video. 08:34 But don't you get more compression from bottom to top? Meaning a 4 is the lowest all the way to the top of 20, which basicaly is limiting (with a comp)?
Read the rest of the comments, this plugin behaves differently. I have explained it further in one of the comments, and someone else did a test to confirm and left a comment as well
This was really great. Awesome to see the usage in a real-world example. Question on the LA-2A plugin. Do you keep the sidechain (HIFREQ) on flat or do you dial it back a bit to high pass the signal?
When Im using it on vocals i honestly don't bother with that feature, but feel free to tweak it and see if you prefer the results better.
I’ve been looking to do this. Great explanation of this process. Do you use 76 meter input and output to gain stage?
I honestly use my ears most the time, bypass the plugin on and off and the volume should be close to the same. Adjust output of the plugin as needed
Why Wave don't put atack and release in msec on CLA 76 ??? During years I thought it was in msec but it not !
I think they are just trying to be true to the actual hardware. This is an emulation of the hardware.
You Fly…. After you finish making your settings in the LA2A, how do you gain stage after that compressor?
The Gain knob can be used to control the signal level after the compression has been applied
Man, you teach very well. Is it okay to use those plugins on instruments too? If so, on what instrument and how will you do it?
Many thanks!
Thanks bruh, yeah I would probably use a single compressor on an instrument unless it was a very dynamic performance that you are trying to tame in similar fashion. You can use compressor on instruments to bring up quieter parts of the instrument, even out the levels of an instrument, or make an instrument stand out more in a mix. Many plugins have presets for instruments that you can explore and tweak the settings to your liking
@@FlyGuyJ Appreciate this man. Thank you! Looking forward to your next video. More power!
What is your set up: Just get the warmth of your recording from mic to daw connection
I have the apollo and numan tlm 103 but the audio signal poor seems to be poor into the DAW pro tools
Interface
Mic
Analog compressor
?? Appreciate your videos bro
This particular song was not recorded at my studio, the trackouts/stems were sent to me to be mixed.
But to answer your question, my recording signal is a Neumann TLM-103 > Avalon M5 preamp > Apollo 8 interface > Pro Tools 12
i never understood why the CLA compressors have the attack and release essentially backwards... 7 being the “fastest” setting. one would assume 7 would be the slowest setting and in ms
yeah its confusing
Because the original hardware unit 1176 does that so it doesn't confuse the owner of the unit.
@@BukanIbuMu right on!
I have a question about the Waves Plugins.
When am I supposed to use mono/stereo version? Of course I know what the difference is, but I still don‘t get it when to use which version
The quick answer is use mono plugins on a mono audio track (Has one single waveform and one pan knob), use stereo plugins on a stereo audio track (Has Left & Right waveforms and two pan knobs)
Usually sources like a vocal (microphone) or guitar are mono audio files, whereas something like a keyboard would be stereo.
Taking it a step further, I would use stereo plugins for anything that is creating a sense of depth or space (ex. reverb, modulation, delays)
Bro can you also use a noice gate first so you dont have to cut off parts like breaths and clicking
Gate will work well for breaths, depending on how loud the clicks/pops are, you may still need to edit those out. I may do a gate tutorial soon!
I think I actually understand!! Thank you!
@@cindybarge5726 You're welcome
@@FlyGuyJ Thank you bro💯
what reduction should be achieved on both compressors?
I show you in the video what I aim for, but it could need more compression or less compression depending on how dynamic the vocal performance is, how the vocals are tracked, and style of music.
4:1 compression is not more severe than 20:1 , took you seriously until you said that
this compressor behaves differently, the threshold changes at different ratios so you actually end up with more compression. It doesn't behave like a typical compressor when it comes to ratio...i could have elbarated and explained it better, but check out the manual for it and see for yourself or test it out if you have the plugin
Hey J, how do you get clients with things like that? I would love to do this on the side or full time.
a number of ways... instagram, facebook, youtube, word of mouth, I also own a recording studio.
You can setup a website where you show off mixes you've done, some engineers even offer services on sites like fiverr.
I’ve been learning about mixing my own music. I understand why you make sure the level is the same before and after the compressor, but when in the process do you turn up the volume from the vocal so it’s louder?
If you need to turn the final vocal up or down you can use a limiter like the L1 or a plugin like RVOX as the last plugin in your vocal chain
you can also use the output knob on the last plugin in your chain, or you can send the vocals to a bus, and use the volume knob on the bus to control final volume without changing how your plugin chain is affecting the vocals
This video was really well done and quite helpful, but the Ratio description you provided is incorrect. :(
You stated as you go down, it's more compression. It's actually less compression as you go down. The 20 settings means 20:1 or 20 to 1. For every 20 dB over the threshold, only 1 is allowed out. 12:1 = 12 in, 1 out. 8:1 = 8 in, 1 out. 4:1 = 4 in, 1 out. So 4:1 is LESS compression. 4:1 is the lowest compression on this unit while 20:1 is basically limiting. If you put in 20 dB with the 4:1 setting, you'd get 5 dB of audio out, while the 20:1 setting would have only let out 1 dB.
The ALL button is a quirk of the hardware where you could literally press the 20, 12, 8, and 4 buttons in simultaneously and get some heavy distorted compression. Since you can't press all the buttons in software, an ALL button was provided and put at the bottom of the buttons list.
I could have done a better job explaining, but the quirkiness about this plugin is is that the threshold changes as you change the ratio. Because of this, the 4:1 ratio actually equals more compression than the 20:1 ratio...
Here is an excerpt pulled straight from the manual...
"Like many compressors, the higher the ratio, the higher the threshold. For example, at a ratio of 20:1, the threshold point is -12 dBFS, meaning that every peak which passes -12dBFS will be compressed at a 20:1 ratio. When ratio is set to 4:1, the threshold drops to -18dBFS, meaning that every peak which passes -18dBFS will be compressed at a ratio of 4:1. This, therefore, results in “more” compression, despite the lower ratio."
@@FlyGuyJ I tested this in the software to find out the values of the thresholds for each ratio and you are proven 100% correct. Non-scientific testing with an input level of -0.1 dBFS showed a threshold of -13.4 dBFS for 4:1, -10.7 dBFS for 8:1, -9.6 dBFS for 12:1, -8.2 dBFS for 20:1, and -12.4 dBFS for ALL.
This meant that the maximum gain reduction registered through Waves Studio Rack was (going top down from highest ratio) 7.6 dbs of reduction for 20:1, 8.7 dbs for 12:1, 9.1 dbs for 8:1 and 10.1 dbs of gain reduction for 4:1, just as you said. The most compression is occurring at the 4:1 setting, with the exception of the ALL mode, which had a maximum gain reduction of 11.5 dbs.
Spot on!
@@zzhoward Thanks for taking the time to prove this true! Appreciate your efforts!
Are those plug-ins are compatible also in adobe auditions?
Yes they are!
@@FlyGuyJ Thank you very much sir
@@arvinyan9629 welcome bruh
Do you ever use RVox?
Yes I use RVOX or L1 as last limiter/compressor in my vocal chain
@@FlyGuyJ Nice! I only wish I could see what’s going on under the hood in terms of attack, release and gate settings but it rarely disappoints on vocals.
@@NovelMeetsEvilPodcast Yeah i like the color it gives most vocals and its super easy to use!
is the CLA 76 or RCompressor better to stack w the 2A?
I purposely chose the cla 76 and the cla 2a compressors because this is a classic compressor stack that has been used in many professional recording studios (actual hardware compressors).
You can try out the rcomp stack and see how you like it, there are no hard rules when choosing compressors. I typically find myself using rcompressor and rvox together.
@@FlyGuyJ Hm okay bet ill try them out, thank you!!
@@FlyGuyJ One more question sorry, the 2A is an Opto comp right? lol
@@flamersss let me know what you ended up liking better if you happen to try both!
@@flamersss Yeah its an electro-optical tube compressor
1 is the fastest attack on this compressor and 20 is more than 4 you need to redo this video
The controls for this plugin are different than your normal compressor.. check the manual my friend.
Attack: 1 (slowest - 1 millisecond) to 7 (fastest - less then 50 microseconds)
Ratio: although the ratio of 20 is higher than 4, the threshold decreases as you drop ratio on this compressor, therefore the result is "more " compression despite having a lower ratio
This is not a classic vocal chain this is a plug-in vocal chain. Terrible
Yes, it is a plugin chain that emulates a classic hardware compressor combination. Thanks for taking time out of your day to come on my channel and spread negativity. I'm sure giving off that kind of energy will get you far in life. 🙏