Great Video my man! Ive found its best to have one of every size just like you. I love the quincy brand, that surprises me they rebranded the smaller ones. I know my quincy pumps I bought used, they are old, but are beasts. You could Maybe even add one also about 15-20 gal lil more portable, but will handle more than the pancake. I have about 5 diff size air comps, 80 gal, two 30 gal, 4 gal, 2 gal. I paint cars for a living, do airbrush, custom bikes, etc. and everything you have said is spot on. Take notes people.
For 20 years I have used a Craftsman 15 gallon 4 hp 5 cfm, air ratchet and 600 ft pound impact without any trouble . I turned it down to 125 psi from the 150 factory setting . you don't need 150 psi for tools , air tools run about 30 to 90 psi . paint you need a huge tank high cfm to do a car or truck or boat . 5 cfm in a 15 gallon tank will paint a motorcycle tank or fender just fine . my cheep Craftsman I paid 199.99 for in 2001 it has paid for itself 20 times over Oil free .
Around 7yrs ago i was outfitting my garage at home and bought a 60gal compressor for around $500.. about the same time milwaukee came out with its new battery impact. It was a no brainer. I didnt need a big compressor. Sold the compressor, started investing in the milwaukees and bought a 20 gal compressor. Zero regrets.
Yea but electric's never will quite have the sheer power, torque, and compactness that you can get with a 5hp air compressor. If you work on things like motorcycles and small equipment it probably is a no brainer to rely solely on a whole bunch of Makita or Milwaukee impacts. But I will never get rid of my big air compressor for the unlimited supply of power air tools bring without charging batteries and unlike some people i don't find the air hose ever cumbersome. But i do love my Makita impacts in a pinch.
I have a 33 gal belt drive compressor that I now mainly use to blow dust away or to blow my garage floor clean or once a year to top off tires. My Milwaukee and dewalt electric impacts do 100% of what I need. My 1400lbs Milwaukee 1/2” was 150 on ebay:)
@@vitaminb4869 The air tools are compact(at least compared to cordless with their big batteries), not the air compressor it self, and my 5hp is in a shed behind my garage, so i never hear it or really even deal with it.
I'm just impressed by your video, how you were straight to the point and gave some really common examples. I've been looking for explanation videos and yours blows it out the water. You're on your way to excellence good young sir.
Good video. I just scored an 80’s Curtis Toledo 80 gallon/5hp Baldor 1phase motor with dual stage E-57 pump that I’m replacing all the bearings and refreshing it. Solid piece that will outlive me for sure.
It seems that there are brands that everybody goes to, but there is one I never see mentioned. I have an Eaton 5HP vertical unit that I purchased to replace a 30 year old enigaire unit. I tell you what, talk about industrial, these units are supreme. I get 19CFM at 100 psi ad its quiet at only 73 Dba. It also is the only manufacturer that I found that offers a bumper to bumper 5 year warranty. It is a beast though, weighing in at 600lbs. Its the cast iron pump and real 5hp motor that add the weight. I'm very satisfied. I have done everything from run my open air sand blaster to clean a truck frame to applying finish urethane on fine furniture. Its a great performer and costs less then Quincy and the other popular Industrial brands.
How's the Eaton still working for you? I'm in the market and trying to decide on about a 3.5 to 5 due to car restoration and full body priming, possibly painting. Of course, there are opportunities for DA sanding, etc. I'd like to go with full USA built. Please let me know. Thanks.
The pancake compressor is nice, too. you can take it with you for a small job. All you need is a 110V outlet and you will have continuous air. Not like an air tank. AWESOME review!!!!
I’ve went through many of the cheap harbor freight Compressors , & was let down many times, til I decided to give up on them, I had one that lasted maybe a year with occasional usage , had another that I bought that was smaller, I had planned to use just for small trim jobs that I didn’t want to transport my larger compressor around, I had it in my shop for several months before I took it out of the box, & it never worked, & after a few months they wouldn’t exchange it. I will say this regarding Quincy brand , what might be confusing if you think that isn’t made by Quincy is the company that now owns Quincy - Atlas Copco a Swedish company started in 1878 (I believe) They also own dozens & dozens of air compressor companies in Sweden & around the world, with that said, I would assume, since they are all owned by the same parent company, that information, concepts & design technology are shared between the company, possibly parts supplied to one company maybe manufactured by a sister company for multiple compressor branches, distributed under different brand names, I’m speculating & extrapolating based upon your observations & the info I found online.
The small aluminium pumps on Quincy compressors are made by ABAC out of Italy. They supply the pumps for harbor freight's larger (29 and 60 gallon) units. They are not bad pumps but not worth the Quincy price. Thanks for watching. They all may be owned by Atlas Copco at this point. Like you said it's all speculation.
American ace tools, Charge pro (1981-1990's) The northern tool compressor Were made by Harbor frieght those are the ones I know of my Knowledge ends in 2002 When I left Torringto company(it got sold to Timken and the plant closed). At the Time Torrington-Fafnir was part Of IR.
The whole rebadging issue has turned the tool world upside down. Companies built up a great reputation with quality USA made products, then began farming out their manufacturing to Chiwan. Shame on them. Even the Dewalt compressors have a big Made In the USA sticker on the tank, but guess what- China is making most of the parts and then they are assembled in the U.S. How is "assembled" the same as "made"? Your Quincy reference shocked me. I thought they were still US built. And it gets really tricky when companies like Delta build some things in the US and some in Chiwan. Bottom line is that you cant count on a brand name anymore for quality. You really have to do your homework. Thanks for the video and standing next to a wall of black mold!
I always thought the more expensive the tool the better it is. I would always pay the most for tools thinking that as the best thing to do. But I guess I'll go with the tiny pancake one since all I need to do is car tires.
Could you use that Fluid Film kit with that little air Compressor? Also when you were using the Fluid Film gun .....did you use a regulator? what setting did you have it on?
i cant decide between the IR type 30 and a quincy. The IR is cheaper but also louder, uses more electricity. Quincy has magnetic start and looks nicer IMO
Nice video thanks. Can I ask... I have a Snap-on compressor (made by Sleegers in the USA). It is a 30 gallon, 5 hp (peak), single phase unit. The specs list it as 30 amp service @ 120V or 15 amp service @ 220V. I get that you need a dedicated 120V or a 220V circuit so you don’t trip a breaker especially at start up. My shop has some dedicated 20 amp 120V receptacles and a 220v receptacle. If I don’t care about portability (I have smaller more portable compressors) I am better off wiring the motor and attaching the appropriate plug for the 220v receptacle, right? Thanks.
question if you still answering after 5 years. how would a 100ft hose work on a 20-gallon compressor for painting cars. Not whole cars at once but just one side or something. I bought a compressor might buy another 20 gallon and connect both of them to 1 hose. but i am setting up a small shop at home and can't wait till springtime to start setting up.
What is your opinion of the Quincy 26 gallon compressor after some years? I saw your review on amazon and am wondering what your opinion of it is now. Has your concerns of the plastic hose line caused any issues?
@@RepairGeek Do you have a new recommendation for a compressor that outputs 6+ cfm on a 120v outlet? Have been in the market for one and have no idea which one to buy. I was considering the rolair VT25BIG but its rated at 86 dB which might be too loud for me. Im just a weekend warrior. Mostly using impact wrenches. Might use die grinder, air hammers intermittently.
6+ CFM is a tough one. My best suggestions are this: Buy something with an oil filled pump. They have a longer lifespan typically but, need the oil changed every once in a while. They are also usually quieter but, they are heavier making them hard to transport. I couldn't lift this Quincy into the back of my truck by myself. It was over 125 lbs and very top heavy. Going from 5 cfm to 6-7 cfm is going to be very hard to notice. You won't find much at 6+ cfm you just don't have the available power on 120v to push much more than that. That Quincy had to be on a dedicated 20A outlet not to trip the breaker. Also cfm ratings are taken a certain tank pressures. So you may be able to find something at 7+ cfm but that 7 cfm only occurs when the tank pressure is 0. Check the cfm ratings @ 90psi. They will be lower at 90psi than they are at 0psi. I would just buy the cheapest oil filled compressor you can find if you don't care too much about portability.
For anyone wondering: CFM = Cubic Feet (of air) per Minute SCFM = *Standard* Cubic Feet (of air) per Minute Basically the CFM varies depending on how much pressure your air tool needs. The standard pressure is 90 psi for most tools, thus STANDARD CFM.
I have an old matco I was given by a client that use to run an auto shop (2 hp, 22 gal). It sprung a pinhole in the tank. How would I go about getting the tank replaced and installed? Who could help me with that or would it be better to buy a new compressor (I'd probably get something smaller in that case, but would hate to lose this compressor). Appreciate your insights.
I have the same 3 gallon pancake Harbor Freight compressor and love the portability, paid $39.99 with no sales tax. What is your opinion of the Harbor Freight 21 gallon oil compressor, it looks like your 26 gallon and costs $149.99. Would you recommend using Royal Purple oil or is any brand compressor oil OK?
I would compare the 21 gallon to an oil-less compressor. The 21 gallon compressor is a direct drive meaning the electric motor connects directly to the pump. My Quincy has a belt drive from the motor to the pump which reduces the speed of the pump. Resulting in a quieter compressor and less heat and wear on the pump because of the reduced RPM. The harbor freight equivalent to my Quincy would be the 29 gallon. If I had to do it over again I would have purchased the 29 gallon harbor freight over my Quincy. The same manufacturer makes both pumps (ABAC) the tank is 3 gallons larger, the Quincy has a plastic belt guard, harbor freight has a metal one. The Quincy cost me $650. The harbor freight is $360. Even if the electric motor on the harbor freight unit was dead right out of the box and I had to purchase another motor, it would still be cheaper to replace the motor on the harbor freight than buy this Quincy. As far as oil I personally use Amsoil compressor oil. I'm not a huge fan of royal purple. I had some of their synchromesh in the manual trans in my Mustang. It did not like it. At high RPM it would lock me out of second gear and the bearing noise in neutral was noticeably louder. I switched back to regular Valvoline ATF and had no more issues. Search for oil pour test on UA-cam. One video in particular compares Mobil 1 Amsoil Royal Purple and Walmart synthetic at -20. I run Mobil products in all my cars but I have not found a Mobil compressor oil that is widely available. Bottom line, I think royal purple is well marketed from the color of the oil to the design of the bottle but I haven't found much to back up the marketing personally.
Have you ever started into blasting yet? I'm in the market looking for a compressor and found an ingersoll rand 80gallon 2 stage 5hp I think 15.5cfm I'm wondering if it would be enough.
How is that ingersol holding up? I just seen the same one at TS for a really good deal. My shop is around the same size as yours. So I know it's over kill. But can't beat the price. Curious on the flaws.
5 years on still runs great. I'm not a commercial shop but I run a blast cabinet with it every now and then. I've heard the motors are a weak point. It gets hot for sure but I've never had a single problem with this compressor.
Quincy is a great name brand compressor. Hence double the price. When i have to replace my compressor, which it's the same size as your Quincy, I will look hard at Ingersoll Rand same size or a little bigger.
Honestly the Quincy is junk. The pump isn't made my Quincy it's made by ABAC out of Italy. They make pumps for a lot of home use compressors. I know that any oil filled, belt driven, unit that Harbor Freight sells uses an ABAC pump. They are easy to spot because of the aluminum heads and crankcases. Quincy is selling these smaller units strictly on reputation. If I had to do it over again I would have bought the Harbor freight 29 gallon unit. The same manufacturer makes both pumps, the tank is 3 gallons larger, it has a metal belt guard (Quincy is plastic) and is 300 dollars cheaper. I don't have many purchases I felt like I've been screwed on but, the Quincy is one of them. If you're looking at an Ingersoll Rand 20 gallon garagemate, check out North Star. They are a in house brand of northern tool. The 20 gallon North Star looks identical to the 20 gallon Ingersoll Rand. I'm 95% sure Ingersoll Rand is making them for Northern Tool, painting them a different color, and selling them for much chaper
This discussion is ancient history but how about a comparison of warranties between the hazard-fraught and the Quincy? Also just because ABAC makes pumps for both does not indicate that materially the pump installed by hazard-fraught is of the same quality as the one installed by Quincy.
I was looking at the Quincy 26 vs the Harbor Freight 29... the Quincy has an air delivery capacity of 7.37 cfm vs the Harbor Freight of 5.9 cfm... both at 90 psi. If it’s the same pump, why the different capacity?
Same pump manufacturer, different model pump. Pump RPM also plays a part in CFM. For the price of the Quincy you could throw the motor directly in the trash on the Harbor Freight install the motor from the Quincy and it would still be cheaper than buying the Quincy. The same thing is true of the pumps. An ABAC PAT24 pump is 195 dollars. Throw the pump on the Harbor Freight directly in the trash install the Quincy's pump and it's cheaper than just buying the Quincy. At the end of the day it's your money but, a couple CFM shouldn't be your decision maker.
Ok, that makes sense... I appreciate the detailed explanation. One more question... in my case, I got the Quincy for $400... is it a good buy at that price? I still have a chance to return it... the drain valve came defective, so I need to take it back in any case for either a refund or a even exchange.
hi, i liv in australia & we hav 240v wall sockets as normal & im wanting to choose a compressor for spray painting panels & touch up work @ home what would u recommend?
Repair Geek - Hope it hangs in , Just got it delivered yesterday 7.5 hp . Thanks for your reply, wish me luck opening my shop next week & I don’t even know how change tires ...
we went with the same brand only the 60 gal one and we have a secondary 60 gal tank we use for an overflow tank. We plan to use the recommended oil as well even though it costs way too much. Honestly we don't really use it a whole lot but for years we had a 21 gal and it was way too small and it took a dump so that was our excuse lol Decided to go with ingersoll rand because all the others were re branded and we knew several people with ingersoll's that had nothing but good things to say about them. Also we left ours on the skid as well but they tell you not to leave it on the skid, too bad lol. We considered the 80 gal but it was way too much more in cost. I think the 60 is like 300 pounds but the 80 is like 600 pounds, we barley got the 60 where we needed it with 2 people.
I run amsoil compressor oil in mine. It's not very easy to find but like all amsoil products it's top notch. The only real wide spread issue with Ingersoll Rand's compressors seem to be the motors. Mine seems okay but there are lots of reviews complaining of motors that only hum on start up. I did not lag mine to the floor simply because if I need to service it I can't move it. The Quincy in this video served me well. It handled everything I threw at it. I just got the 80 gallon for a price I couldn't refuse.
I bought a tire machine that is 1.5 hp for my home shop it does not have a bead blaster .what kind of compressor can i use will tge harbor freight 21 gallons 2.5 hp compressor work ?
That seems small for a tire machine. They take a lot of air. You may have to wait for your air supply to build back up between each air driven function.
I purchased a new 30 gal Kobolt Air compressor and 6 weeks after warranty ran out (5yr) wouldn't you know my crank shaft snapped off. I have been unable to find parts for my motor, 30gal, 155psi from Lowes or Kobolt. Does anyone have any recommendations on where I can order parts (Crankshaft) for my motor. Oil was full when I took off the plastic cover only to find the flywheel sitting there unattached to the belt. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Peace
If the crank came apart in the pump chances are it damaged the pump case as well. Source a whole new pump would be the best repair but, it may be cheaper to buy a whole new compressor.
@@RepairGeek as the shaft comes out of the motor, the flywheel is attached at the end which is attached to a belt. The shaft snapped between the motor and the flywheel. I can grab the nub that is sticking out from the motor and it feels intact, and secure and when I grab the shaft am able to spin it. Not sure if that helps.
@@mo-reesespieces9066 it may be worth calling Kobalt and see if they even have any parts available for that unit. Typically all of those small units are just rebrands from another manufacturer. They might not even have parts available. Your other option is: amzn.to/2PEPa6E
Home Depot didn't have one large enough for my needs so I ordered one from their sight and had it shipped to there store. That way no shipping cost and got one with 11.8 CFM.
Quincy moved out of Quincy and now all their parts are made in China And are just assembled here now. I’ve seen lots of complaints about new ones having problems. Your better off finding a used one that was actually all made with good old USA parts. My porter cable pancake is used everyday commercially for maybe 20 years before the bearing died. No way harbor freight makes it a year.
I don't have enough experience to say what brands are better than others. Just be a smart shopper and realize you may be paying more for a particular brand even though the only difference may be the paint color and decals. If I was in the market for something the size of the garage mate I would take a hard look at the Harbor Freight 29 gallon compressor.
If you're looking for a specific decibel level I don't have it. I will say this, it's quiet enough that you can hold a conversation near it while it's running. You will have to raise your voice but you won't have to shout, if that makes sense. It's as quiet as any oil filled compressor I've heard.
Personally I would look at the Harbor Freight 29 Gallon. It's $360, the Quincy is $650 to $700. The same manufactures make both pumps, (ABAC) the tank on the Harbor Freight is 3 gallons larger, and it has a metal belt guard. The Quincy has a plastic belt guard. If I had to do it over again I would have bought that one over the Quincy.
Awesome information, i never knew that a bunch of air compressor companies rebrand crappy chinese air compressors and put their label on it just to sell it for more money and as their own product. I'm happy i spent a little more money on a Ingersoll after hearing you say they're their on entity. But Quincy.. really?? Shameful if so.
It's only their small units with aluminium pumps they rebrand. The larger 60 gallon and bigger cast iron units I don't believe they rebrand. Just these small DIY type units.
Harbor freight. The harbor freight 29 gallon compressor has a larger tank, full metal belt guard and the same manufacturer makes both pumps. They are Italian made ABAC pumps on both units. Quincy is selling these smaller units strictly on reputation. Harbor Freight unit is 360 you can sometimes find a coupon for about 320. The Quincy is 700 and harbor freight makes it look like a joke. I don't have too many purchases that I regret but that Quincy is one of them.
Yeah, I posted the comment before I watched the whole video, just because you indicated the Quincy as you said $300, and I know they cost considerably more than that. I really liked this video because of the information about the rebadging. I never knew that about the central pneumatic and never knew about the North Star brand being the same thing as an IR, at least the model you referenced (although since you mentioned it, their larger shop models look suspiciously like the equivalent IRs as well). So thanks for the tip. I appreciate it when I can actually learn something from a youtube video. Keep up the good work.
For a tire shop my dear friend, you need a 120 gal. tank, 3 phase electric motor with a minimum of 7.5 horse power motor to inflate a regular car tire. A pancake will run you out of the business in no time.
If you are going to pay 350$ for a electric impact gun would you not be doing the same thing if you bought a 350$ air compressor and you could still use it to air your tires and other tools
If you don't already own air tools then, you would have to buy tools in addition to the compressor. So, yes it's $350 for a compressor and at least another $100 for a decent impact so $450 if you were just starting out buying new tools. Or, just spend $350 on an electric impact. That was what I was trying to say.
When you buy a cordless impact, it will usually come with 2 batteries. That means you can start buying bare tools (without batteries) and you already have a battery and a charger for them. When you buy a $350 air compressor, well, you just bought only an air compressor (aka a battery), and it still won't run your 1/2 impact all day, like a cordless impact would. Now consider the valuable space air compressor takes up, the noise it generates, the hassle of dragging a very large hose around, the waiting for the compressor to catch up, the fiddling with draining it, rust build up, leaks, etc, etc... and do you still think those $350 on air compressor is money well spent?
Nearly all of those non commercial compress ors are crap. The specs are not factual low quality. Best buy used industrial grade repair is easy and possible
impact gun for 200 hundred bucks electric? are kidding me? maybe a very low powered entry level battery drill for 200. Then if ya want more run time ya gotta get more 100 dollar batteries.Everyone should have an air compressor, the tools last longer "even the cheaper" will outlast dewalt,or miwalkee by 15 years. The only reason I know is because im a welder and have used both air and electric grinders. If I could withstand using a grinder for 24 hours the electric whichever brand you want to use against the cheapest chinese air grinder, the electric would die the very first day. I have had 1 of my harbor freight air grinders for eight years of hard use. I didn't even oil it for the first 2 years because I didn't know anybetter. Still runs as strong as the day I bought it for 24 dollars." extended 3 in cuttoff" I think they are like 30 dollars now. There is too much marketing for electric tools, which almost tells me they need the help of cool marketing tricks to keep people buying their 400 hundred dollar tools that last a couple of years in home use conditions. maybe 10 if it gets used lightly. Where air tools dont use hardly any marketing. Quite honestly they dont need it. If you want a lifetime tool that will run wide open everyday of its life for you for 15 plus years, get an air tool. If you dont need that get an electric drill or miwalkees newest battery set with a new heavy tool.
Nearly all of those non commercial compress ors are crap. The specs are not factual low quality. Best buy used industrial grade repair is easy and possible
Great Video my man! Ive found its best to have one of every size just like you. I love the quincy brand, that surprises me they rebranded the smaller ones. I know my quincy pumps I bought used, they are old, but are beasts. You could Maybe even add one also about 15-20 gal lil more portable, but will handle more than the pancake. I have about 5 diff size air comps, 80 gal, two 30 gal, 4 gal, 2 gal. I paint cars for a living, do airbrush, custom bikes, etc. and everything you have said is spot on. Take notes people.
For 20 years I have used a Craftsman 15 gallon 4 hp 5 cfm, air ratchet and 600 ft pound impact without any trouble . I turned it down to 125 psi from the 150 factory setting . you don't need 150 psi for tools , air tools run about 30 to 90 psi . paint you need a huge tank high cfm to do a car or truck or boat . 5 cfm in a 15 gallon tank will paint a motorcycle tank or fender just fine . my cheep Craftsman I paid 199.99 for in 2001 it has paid for itself 20 times over Oil free .
This video reviewed the two air compressors I happened to be looking at. Can't get better info than that! Thanks for the data!
Around 7yrs ago i was outfitting my garage at home and bought a 60gal compressor for around $500.. about the same time milwaukee came out with its new battery impact. It was a no brainer. I didnt need a big compressor. Sold the compressor, started investing in the milwaukees and bought a 20 gal compressor. Zero regrets.
Yea but electric's never will quite have the sheer power, torque, and compactness that you can get with a 5hp air compressor. If you work on things like motorcycles and small equipment it probably is a no brainer to rely solely on a whole bunch of Makita or Milwaukee impacts. But I will never get rid of my big air compressor for the unlimited supply of power air tools bring without charging batteries and unlike some people i don't find the air hose ever cumbersome. But i do love my Makita impacts in a pinch.
I have a 33 gal belt drive compressor that I now mainly use to blow dust away or to blow my garage floor clean or once a year to top off tires. My Milwaukee and dewalt electric impacts do 100% of what I need. My 1400lbs Milwaukee 1/2” was 150 on ebay:)
@@NSXTACY420 what compactness are we talking about when you have a 5hp air compressor?!
@@vitaminb4869 The air tools are compact(at least compared to cordless with their big batteries), not the air compressor it self, and my 5hp is in a shed behind my garage, so i never hear it or really even deal with it.
Excellent! Very helpful. I just picked up an 80 gallon 2-stage. Cannot wait to get it plumbed in.
Absolutely the best video on UA-cam about air compressors for the layman in a small shop setting. Thanks!
Best video I’ve seen explaining air compressors. Thank you.
I'm just impressed by your video, how you were straight to the point and gave some really common examples. I've been looking for explanation videos and yours blows it out the water. You're on your way to excellence good young sir.
Quincy are quiet, insanely durable, rebuildable, and of course reliable. But they don't give them away for free.....
Good video. I just scored an 80’s Curtis Toledo 80 gallon/5hp Baldor 1phase motor with dual stage E-57 pump that I’m replacing all the bearings and refreshing it. Solid piece that will outlive me for sure.
It seems that there are brands that everybody goes to, but there is one I never see mentioned. I have an Eaton 5HP vertical unit that I purchased to replace a 30 year old enigaire unit. I tell you what, talk about industrial, these units are supreme. I get 19CFM at 100 psi ad its quiet at only 73 Dba. It also is the only manufacturer that I found that offers a bumper to bumper 5 year warranty. It is a beast though, weighing in at 600lbs. Its the cast iron pump and real 5hp motor that add the weight. I'm very satisfied. I have done everything from run my open air sand blaster to clean a truck frame to applying finish urethane on fine furniture. Its a great performer and costs less then Quincy and the other popular Industrial brands.
How's the Eaton still working for you? I'm in the market and trying to decide on about a 3.5 to 5 due to car restoration and full body priming, possibly painting. Of course, there are opportunities for DA sanding, etc. I'd like to go with full USA built. Please let me know. Thanks.
Good series of videos that you made for shop air systems.👍👍
Such a great video - thorough, detailed, informative, succinct. Thank you very much!
Your presentation & Explanation is super!
I really like the 15 gallon DEWALT air compressor it’s portable can get many uses out of it highly recommend
Cfm measurement is only for the machine gives air to the tank, the cfm output to the tools only determines by the pressure and hose diameter
You always need the big one, because its cool.
The pancake compressor is nice, too. you can take it with you for a small job. All you need is a 110V outlet and you will have continuous air. Not like an air tank. AWESOME review!!!!
The pancake is great for trim work. I doubt you could even find an air tank for much less than $40, let alone a tank and compressor.
80gal FTW
Great video
Old head on young shoulders right there! Good on you champion thanks for the info! .
thank you. finally compressor talk/info in "laymans" terms
Good info, especially the pancake + impact gun demonstration.
I’ve went through many of the cheap harbor freight Compressors , & was let down many times, til I decided to give up on them, I had one that lasted maybe a year with occasional usage , had another that I bought that was smaller, I had planned to use just for small trim jobs that I didn’t want to transport my larger compressor around, I had it in my shop for several months before I took it out of the box, & it never worked, & after a few months they wouldn’t exchange it.
I will say this regarding Quincy brand , what might be confusing if you think that isn’t made by Quincy is the company that now owns Quincy - Atlas Copco a Swedish company started in 1878 (I believe)
They also own dozens & dozens of air compressor companies in Sweden & around the world, with that said, I would assume, since they are all owned by the same parent company, that information, concepts & design technology are shared between the company, possibly parts supplied to one company maybe manufactured by a sister company for multiple compressor branches, distributed under different brand names, I’m speculating & extrapolating based upon your observations & the info I found online.
The small aluminium pumps on Quincy compressors are made by ABAC out of Italy. They supply the pumps for harbor freight's larger (29 and 60 gallon) units. They are not bad pumps but not worth the Quincy price. Thanks for watching.
They all may be owned by Atlas Copco at this point. Like you said it's all speculation.
I’ve had a Central Pneumatic for ten years, no problems
Very nice video; thanks for sharing.
7:25 *"I'm going to show you the wrong way to do it"* doing god's work
American ace tools, Charge pro (1981-1990's) The northern tool compressor Were made by Harbor frieght those are the ones I know of my Knowledge ends in 2002 When I left Torringto company(it got sold to Timken and the plant closed).
At the Time Torrington-Fafnir was part Of IR.
👍👍 Thank your video about air compressor....
THANK YOU!!!
Interesting stuff..found you looking at pressure switches for my 2 stage Ingersoll
I'd like to see a tankless air compressor that puts out 175psi!!!!
Like a tankless water heater!!!
They exist. They're called rotary screw compressors and they're very expensive.
The whole rebadging issue has turned the tool world upside down. Companies built up a great reputation with quality USA made products, then began farming out their manufacturing to Chiwan. Shame on them. Even the Dewalt compressors have a big Made In the USA sticker on the tank, but guess what- China is making most of the parts and then they are assembled in the U.S. How is "assembled" the same as "made"? Your Quincy reference shocked me. I thought they were still US built. And it gets really tricky when companies like Delta build some things in the US and some in Chiwan. Bottom line is that you cant count on a brand name anymore for quality. You really have to do your homework. Thanks for the video and standing next to a wall of black mold!
If it's not made in America I will order it from China myself and cut out the middle man!!!
I always thought the more expensive the tool the better it is. I would always pay the most for tools thinking that as the best thing to do. But I guess I'll go with the tiny pancake one since all I need to do is car tires.
Could you use that Fluid Film kit with that little air Compressor?
Also when you were using the Fluid Film gun .....did you use a regulator? what setting did you have it on?
Thanks a lot, very informative.
Thank you for the tips 👍
Super informative. Thank you.
i cant decide between the IR type 30 and a quincy. The IR is cheaper but also louder, uses more electricity. Quincy has magnetic start and looks nicer IMO
Get a decent HP, low RPM motor, and high CFM, low RPM pump for longetivity; brand name comes after
Polar Air by Eaton Compressor in Ohio low motor rpm with great 2 stage pumps very quite compressors
Nice video thanks.
Can I ask... I have a Snap-on compressor (made by Sleegers in the USA). It is a 30 gallon, 5 hp (peak), single phase unit. The specs list it as 30 amp service @ 120V or 15 amp service @ 220V. I get that you need a dedicated 120V or a 220V circuit so you don’t trip a breaker especially at start up. My shop has some dedicated 20 amp 120V receptacles and a 220v receptacle. If I don’t care about portability (I have smaller more portable compressors) I am better off wiring the motor and attaching the appropriate plug for the 220v receptacle, right? Thanks.
It's a toss up. Personally I'd use the 110v if you can only because on the off chance you want it to be portable you can still move it.
question if you still answering after 5 years. how would a 100ft hose work on a 20-gallon compressor for painting cars. Not whole cars at once but just one side or something. I bought a compressor might buy another 20 gallon and connect both of them to 1 hose. but i am setting up a small shop at home and can't wait till springtime to start setting up.
It will work fine as long as the compressor can keep up. Like I showed in the video. You may have to wait on air to build back up.
@@RepairGeek thanks alot if anything I'll buy another 20g but for now it should be fine
Ingersol rand and zeck industries both made in same building in west Chester pa
I’ve got one of the IR it the two stage gas engine one with a 30 gallon tank I use a good amount of air though and I’m not by a plug a lot of times
What is your opinion of the Quincy 26 gallon compressor after some years?
I saw your review on amazon and am wondering what your opinion of it is now.
Has your concerns of the plastic hose line caused any issues?
I traded this compressor a while back. I haven't had it in over 5 years.
@@RepairGeek Do you have a new recommendation for a compressor that outputs 6+ cfm on a 120v outlet?
Have been in the market for one and have no idea which one to buy.
I was considering the rolair VT25BIG but its rated at 86 dB which might be too loud for me.
Im just a weekend warrior. Mostly using impact wrenches. Might use die grinder, air hammers intermittently.
6+ CFM is a tough one. My best suggestions are this:
Buy something with an oil filled pump. They have a longer lifespan typically but, need the oil changed every once in a while. They are also usually quieter but, they are heavier making them hard to transport. I couldn't lift this Quincy into the back of my truck by myself. It was over 125 lbs and very top heavy.
Going from 5 cfm to 6-7 cfm is going to be very hard to notice. You won't find much at 6+ cfm you just don't have the available power on 120v to push much more than that. That Quincy had to be on a dedicated 20A outlet not to trip the breaker. Also cfm ratings are taken a certain tank pressures. So you may be able to find something at 7+ cfm but that 7 cfm only occurs when the tank pressure is 0. Check the cfm ratings @ 90psi. They will be lower at 90psi than they are at 0psi.
I would just buy the cheapest oil filled compressor you can find if you don't care too much about portability.
@@RepairGeek thanks for that detailed response. I really appreciate it
for the most part, good video. you didnt explain the difference between cfm and scfm.
For anyone wondering:
CFM = Cubic Feet (of air) per Minute
SCFM = *Standard* Cubic Feet (of air) per Minute
Basically the CFM varies depending on how much pressure your air tool needs. The standard pressure is 90 psi for most tools, thus STANDARD CFM.
do you use a respirator/ mask when spraying? if so what make/model?
Always use a mask when spraying. You cant go wrong with 3M.
Can pancake compressor handle Fluid Film undercoating?
I have an old matco I was given by a client that use to run an auto shop (2 hp, 22 gal). It sprung a pinhole in the tank. How would I go about getting the tank replaced and installed? Who could help me with that or would it be better to buy a new compressor (I'd probably get something smaller in that case, but would hate to lose this compressor). Appreciate your insights.
You can find replacement tanks online but they are usually 80% of the cost of buying a new unit.
I have the same 3 gallon pancake Harbor Freight compressor and love the portability, paid $39.99 with no sales tax. What is your opinion of the Harbor Freight 21 gallon oil compressor, it looks like your 26 gallon and costs $149.99. Would you recommend using Royal Purple oil or is any brand compressor oil OK?
I would compare the 21 gallon to an oil-less compressor. The 21 gallon compressor is a direct drive meaning the electric motor connects directly to the pump. My Quincy has a belt drive from the motor to the pump which reduces the speed of the pump. Resulting in a quieter compressor and less heat and wear on the pump because of the reduced RPM. The harbor freight equivalent to my Quincy would be the 29 gallon. If I had to do it over again I would have purchased the 29 gallon harbor freight over my Quincy. The same manufacturer makes both pumps (ABAC) the tank is 3 gallons larger, the Quincy has a plastic belt guard, harbor freight has a metal one. The Quincy cost me $650. The harbor freight is $360. Even if the electric motor on the harbor freight unit was dead right out of the box and I had to purchase another motor, it would still be cheaper to replace the motor on the harbor freight than buy this Quincy.
As far as oil I personally use Amsoil compressor oil. I'm not a huge fan of royal purple. I had some of their synchromesh in the manual trans in my Mustang. It did not like it. At high RPM it would lock me out of second gear and the bearing noise in neutral was noticeably louder. I switched back to regular Valvoline ATF and had no more issues. Search for oil pour test on UA-cam. One video in particular compares Mobil 1 Amsoil Royal Purple and Walmart synthetic at -20. I run Mobil products in all my cars but I have not found a Mobil compressor oil that is widely available. Bottom line, I think royal purple is well marketed from the color of the oil to the design of the bottle but I haven't found much to back up the marketing personally.
Thanks for taking the time to answer both my questions so thoroughly. ~ Take care, Mark
Have you ever started into blasting yet? I'm in the market looking for a compressor and found an ingersoll rand 80gallon 2 stage 5hp I think 15.5cfm I'm wondering if it would be enough.
Yep works great. Its close to 100% duty cycle but it works great.
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How is that ingersol holding up? I just seen the same one at TS for a really good deal. My shop is around the same size as yours. So I know it's over kill. But can't beat the price. Curious on the flaws.
5 years on still runs great. I'm not a commercial shop but I run a blast cabinet with it every now and then. I've heard the motors are a weak point. It gets hot for sure but I've never had a single problem with this compressor.
The best and quietest is the Fortress.
Thank you sir, it help me a lot
Quincy is a great name brand compressor. Hence double the price. When i have to replace my compressor, which it's the same size as your Quincy, I will look hard at Ingersoll Rand same size or a little bigger.
Honestly the Quincy is junk. The pump isn't made my Quincy it's made by ABAC out of Italy. They make pumps for a lot of home use compressors. I know that any oil filled, belt driven, unit that Harbor Freight sells uses an ABAC pump. They are easy to spot because of the aluminum heads and crankcases. Quincy is selling these smaller units strictly on reputation. If I had to do it over again I would have bought the Harbor freight 29 gallon unit. The same manufacturer makes both pumps, the tank is 3 gallons larger, it has a metal belt guard (Quincy is plastic) and is 300 dollars cheaper. I don't have many purchases I felt like I've been screwed on but, the Quincy is one of them.
If you're looking at an Ingersoll Rand 20 gallon garagemate, check out North Star. They are a in house brand of northern tool. The 20 gallon North Star looks identical to the 20 gallon Ingersoll Rand. I'm 95% sure Ingersoll Rand is making them for Northern Tool, painting them a different color, and selling them for much chaper
I didn’t know that. Thanks
This discussion is ancient history but how about a comparison of warranties between the hazard-fraught and the Quincy? Also just because ABAC makes pumps for both does not indicate that materially the pump installed by hazard-fraught is of the same quality as the one installed by Quincy.
Hay I have one IR same like yours and I want to know how many amps they have?.
Would you stick with Ryobi air compressors
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I was looking at the Quincy 26 vs the Harbor Freight 29... the Quincy has an air delivery capacity of 7.37 cfm vs the Harbor Freight of 5.9 cfm... both at 90 psi. If it’s the same pump, why the different capacity?
Same pump manufacturer, different model pump. Pump RPM also plays a part in CFM. For the price of the Quincy you could throw the motor directly in the trash on the Harbor Freight install the motor from the Quincy and it would still be cheaper than buying the Quincy. The same thing is true of the pumps. An ABAC PAT24 pump is 195 dollars. Throw the pump on the Harbor Freight directly in the trash install the Quincy's pump and it's cheaper than just buying the Quincy.
At the end of the day it's your money but, a couple CFM shouldn't be your decision maker.
Ok, that makes sense... I appreciate the detailed explanation. One more question... in my case, I got the Quincy for $400... is it a good buy at that price? I still have a chance to return it... the drain valve came defective, so I need to take it back in any case for either a refund or a even exchange.
That is a good price. That's the cheapest I've heard of for one. The Harbor Freight is usually about $360.
hi, i liv in australia & we hav 240v wall sockets as normal & im wanting to choose a compressor for spray painting panels & touch up work @ home what would u recommend?
Just about any compressor over 20 gallons should work well for your application.
Good upload. Would u recommend a 80 gallon or 120 gallon for a small tire shop ?
It would depend on the number of users. Tire machines take a lot of air. I'd say at least 7.5hp. With multiple users a 7.5 may not be enough.
Repair Geek - Hope it hangs in , Just got it delivered yesterday 7.5 hp . Thanks for your reply, wish me luck opening my shop next week & I don’t even know how change tires ...
Phil Hall - Thnx..
we went with the same brand only the 60 gal one and we have a secondary 60 gal tank we use for an overflow tank. We plan to use the recommended oil as well even though it costs way too much. Honestly we don't really use it a whole lot but for years we had a 21 gal and it was way too small and it took a dump so that was our excuse lol Decided to go with ingersoll rand because all the others were re branded and we knew several people with ingersoll's that had nothing but good things to say about them. Also we left ours on the skid as well but they tell you not to leave it on the skid, too bad lol. We considered the 80 gal but it was way too much more in cost. I think the 60 is like 300 pounds but the 80 is like 600 pounds, we barley got the 60 where we needed it with 2 people.
I run amsoil compressor oil in mine. It's not very easy to find but like all amsoil products it's top notch. The only real wide spread issue with Ingersoll Rand's compressors seem to be the motors. Mine seems okay but there are lots of reviews complaining of motors that only hum on start up. I did not lag mine to the floor simply because if I need to service it I can't move it. The Quincy in this video served me well. It handled everything I threw at it. I just got the 80 gallon for a price I couldn't refuse.
I bought a tire machine that is 1.5 hp for my home shop it does not have a bead blaster .what kind of compressor can i use will tge harbor freight 21 gallons 2.5 hp compressor work ?
That seems small for a tire machine. They take a lot of air. You may have to wait for your air supply to build back up between each air driven function.
Is that 80 gallon compressor good for tire changers??
No, you need bigger.
It's only good for blowup dolls.
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I purchased a new 30 gal Kobolt Air compressor and 6 weeks after warranty ran out (5yr) wouldn't you know my crank shaft snapped off. I have been unable to find parts for my motor, 30gal, 155psi from Lowes or Kobolt. Does anyone have any recommendations on where I can order parts (Crankshaft) for my motor. Oil was full when I took off the plastic cover only to find the flywheel sitting there unattached to the belt. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Peace
If the crank came apart in the pump chances are it damaged the pump case as well. Source a whole new pump would be the best repair but, it may be cheaper to buy a whole new compressor.
@@RepairGeek as the shaft comes out of the motor, the flywheel is attached at the end which is attached to a belt. The shaft snapped between the motor and the flywheel. I can grab the nub that is sticking out from the motor and it feels intact, and secure and when I grab the shaft am able to spin it. Not sure if that helps.
@@mo-reesespieces9066 it may be worth calling Kobalt and see if they even have any parts available for that unit. Typically all of those small units are just rebrands from another manufacturer. They might not even have parts available.
Your other option is:
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Anybody have thoughts about buying a compressor and having it shipped, will UPS etc protect it enough?
Home Depot didn't have one large enough for my needs so I ordered one from their sight and had it shipped to there store. That way no shipping cost and got one with 11.8 CFM.
crazy idea of connecting 40 three litter pop bottles together as a big air tank, Or balloon tanks...na, just getting electric instead.
Quincy moved out of Quincy and now all their parts are made in China And are just assembled here now. I’ve seen lots of complaints about new ones having problems. Your better off finding a used one that was actually all made with good old USA parts. My porter cable pancake is used everyday commercially for maybe 20 years before the bearing died. No way harbor freight makes it a year.
I painted a car with a 27 gallon portable compressor. It did fine with a hvlp paint gun him but doing the body work I had to let it catch up.
Exactly, it simply comes down to how much you want to wait for air. Thanks for watching.
Is Ingersoll rand a good brand, was thinking of the garage mate 20, which are the good manufacturers, north star? Etc,
I don't have enough experience to say what brands are better than others. Just be a smart shopper and realize you may be paying more for a particular brand even though the only difference may be the paint color and decals. If I was in the market for something the size of the garage mate I would take a hard look at the Harbor Freight 29 gallon compressor.
How quiet is your Quincy?
If you're looking for a specific decibel level I don't have it. I will say this, it's quiet enough that you can hold a conversation near it while it's running. You will have to raise your voice but you won't have to shout, if that makes sense. It's as quiet as any oil filled compressor I've heard.
That's what I needed to know. Current one I have is extremely loud and upsetting my neighbors.. I'll check it out.
Personally I would look at the Harbor Freight 29 Gallon. It's $360, the Quincy is $650 to $700. The same manufactures make both pumps, (ABAC) the tank on the Harbor Freight is 3 gallons larger, and it has a metal belt guard. The Quincy has a plastic belt guard. If I had to do it over again I would have bought that one over the Quincy.
I didn't know IR made them, i don't want to know how much it costs
Awesome information, i never knew that a bunch of air compressor companies rebrand crappy chinese air compressors and put their label on it just to sell it for more money and as their own product. I'm happy i spent a little more money on a Ingersoll after hearing you say they're their on entity. But Quincy.. really?? Shameful if so.
It's only their small units with aluminium pumps they rebrand. The larger 60 gallon and bigger cast iron units I don't believe they rebrand. Just these small DIY type units.
Need? DAFuq. Never based on need. It’s based on budget and wants
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$300 for that Quincy? Tell me where I can pick one up.
Harbor freight. The harbor freight 29 gallon compressor has a larger tank, full metal belt guard and the same manufacturer makes both pumps. They are Italian made ABAC pumps on both units. Quincy is selling these smaller units strictly on reputation. Harbor Freight unit is 360 you can sometimes find a coupon for about 320. The Quincy is 700 and harbor freight makes it look like a joke. I don't have too many purchases that I regret but that Quincy is one of them.
Yeah, I posted the comment before I watched the whole video, just because you indicated the Quincy as you said $300, and I know they cost considerably more than that.
I really liked this video because of the information about the rebadging. I never knew that about the central pneumatic and never knew about the North Star brand being the same thing as an IR, at least the model you referenced (although since you mentioned it, their larger shop models look suspiciously like the equivalent IRs as well).
So thanks for the tip. I appreciate it when I can actually learn something from a youtube video. Keep up the good work.
Glad I could help.
For a tire shop my dear friend, you need a 120 gal. tank, 3 phase electric motor with a minimum of 7.5 horse power motor to inflate a regular car tire. A pancake will run you out of the business in no time.
Snap on air compressor
IR runs china motor and India compressor. My opinion no better than harbor freight
Already have air tools that are going to waste bcuz I don't have an air compressor
If you are going to pay 350$ for a electric impact gun would you not be doing the same thing if you bought a 350$ air compressor and you could still use it to air your tires and other tools
If you don't already own air tools then, you would have to buy tools in addition to the compressor. So, yes it's $350 for a compressor and at least another $100 for a decent impact so $450 if you were just starting out buying new tools.
Or, just spend $350 on an electric impact.
That was what I was trying to say.
When you buy a cordless impact, it will usually come with 2 batteries. That means you can start buying bare tools (without batteries) and you already have a battery and a charger for them. When you buy a $350 air compressor, well, you just bought only an air compressor (aka a battery), and it still won't run your 1/2 impact all day, like a cordless impact would. Now consider the valuable space air compressor takes up, the noise it generates, the hassle of dragging a very large hose around, the waiting for the compressor to catch up, the fiddling with draining it, rust build up, leaks, etc, etc... and do you still think those $350 on air compressor is money well spent?
Nearly all of those non commercial compress ors are crap. The specs are not factual low quality. Best buy used industrial grade repair is easy and possible
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I wish they make new products
impact gun for 200 hundred bucks electric? are kidding me? maybe a very low powered entry level battery drill for 200. Then if ya want more run time ya gotta get more 100 dollar batteries.Everyone should have an air compressor, the tools last longer "even the cheaper" will outlast dewalt,or miwalkee by 15 years. The only reason I know is because im a welder and have used both air and electric grinders. If I could withstand using a grinder for 24 hours the electric whichever brand you want to use against the cheapest chinese air grinder, the electric would die the very first day. I have had 1 of my harbor freight air grinders for eight years of hard use. I didn't even oil it for the first 2 years because I didn't know anybetter. Still runs as strong as the day I bought it for 24 dollars." extended 3 in cuttoff" I think they are like 30 dollars now. There is too much marketing for electric tools, which almost tells me they need the help of cool marketing tricks to keep people buying their 400 hundred dollar tools that last a couple of years in home use conditions. maybe 10 if it gets used lightly. Where air tools dont use hardly any marketing. Quite honestly they dont need it. If you want a lifetime tool that will run wide open everyday of its life for you for 15 plus years, get an air tool. If you dont need that get an electric drill or miwalkees newest battery set with a new heavy tool.
statistics? after 2 minutes I realized how little you actually know.
Quincy sucks these days. I won't buy a Quincy next time.
show off guy
To much low voice
Ive got the same 80 gallon ts4n5 ingersol compressor, its a pile of shit made over seas and slapped together in usa
Nearly all of those non commercial compress ors are crap. The specs are not factual low quality. Best buy used industrial grade repair is easy and possible