I love it when I speak to people here in the UK and they dismiss these as 'just cheap Chinese crap that nobody will buy' - oh boy, have they got a shock coming (and the sooner the better).
Drove from Ontario Canada to Miami Florida and up the gulf coast (I75) to Fort Erie , Ontario. None of the truck stops or gas stations nor the road signs ,state signs , indicated electric charging points. The USA is in denial of the change.
Dongfeng (meaning "East Wind") has a long automobile history in China, they're famous for their trucks and heavy vehicles, even military transport vehicles, I used to own their stocks, they have JVs with KIA and Nissan. Good to see they're doing EVs with a new brand.
Because they are looks. And then after that, they are still missing a lot. You always find something and have to say, sorry still not there. The VW ID4/6 might be boring but they are way better vehicles on the driving part. Fit and finish in many parts, it is not there. Often they try to cut corners on the brakes, on the steering, on the magnetic shielding...
@@morganangel340 Not sure about you, however l didn't VOTE 1 for the Submarines! BTW 'What do you call a loud dog on board a Submarine?' 'SUBWOOFER! DOOF! DOOF!'
@@ivankuljis1780 you mean you want the government to spend money on healthcare, education and infrastructure and not weapons? you are such a socialist... LOL
I came here for clarity but are becoming more confused, more models, more choice and more research required to replace my ICE car. Lets hope they come to Australia sooner than later. BTW, it looks like a very well designed car :)
Let's hope the 800V architecture becomes EV standard soon so that the whole FUD about long charging times can just vaporise like mist. That and LFPs become the default battery type so the misinformation about batteries needing to be replaced can also disappear and the price come right down to parity with ICE asap.
@@larsradtke4097 Yeah, most chargers are currently around 50kW. But that will change once 800V becomes more common, especially for charge stations in the middle of nowhere. 50kW is fine if it's somewhere where you can stop for a break. Plenty of places I can think of up and down the East Coast of Australia where 50kW would be fine if stopping for a break or lunch on a long drive.
@@larsradtke4097 I agree. In the US we have these 10kw stations that are mainly useful for overnight charging. We'd be better off with 150kw stations where we could charge for 10 minutes before freeing it for the next car.
Electric Viking You are Fantastic after watching so many interesting video of yours ... thought later ones will be boring... but NO it getting better Best electrical vehicle channel !
any pickup truck need special permit in china, so the sales of that DF will be limited to factories and plantations only. "normal people" will use van / 7 seaters with backseat folded to bring things. BUT, surprisingly that permit is not needed if the pickup truck is EV!
Great show again. Do you have any thoughts on the clampdown on western countries in China and how much would that effect your investments in BYD and other electric car companies in China
If Telsa makes its cars on its own, without Chinese partners, it's not because it gets special treatment or that Elon Musk is smarter than others. It's simply because a foreign carmaker doesn't need to create a JV with a Chinese partner if it makes EVs. By the way, from 2022 (or 2023), this requirement will also apply to foreign manufacturers of ICE
You have no idea what agony to charge my Tesla 3 performance from a wall socket. I will upgrade to a fast charging Chinese EV. The speed on the road is not enticing if the speed of charging is slow.
You don't seem to understand how this works, the wall socket is the limit to charging speed, a Tesla will charge at 250kW from a suitable charger, you just can't do that sort of charging at home. The Chinese EV won't charge any faster at home because your wall socket is limited to 10A or whatever it is.
It's not the voltage holding back charging, it's the battery's ability to take take energy without catching on fire or shortening its life. It's not healthy to charge a pack like this fast. Fast charging can occur at 3c safely if the heat can be dissipated -- quite possible with tesla's 4680. 1C is safe / easy. Faster than that starts to degrade cells / create excess heat. It's not a voltage problem --- it's just the nature of the battery.
@@Curacars It does . . .but Bjorn Nyland has experienced battery overheating when trying to DC fast charge after running the car at higher freeway speeds in Sweden. Not only did the charging speed throttle down as the battery got hotter fast charging. The acceleration power was signifigantly restricted as he got back on the freeway. This persisted until the battery temp dropped from cooling while driving. Teslas don't do this. Maybe this was one car. Maybe software. More testing necessary.
I think Maserati will exist in 10 years. How many owners have their been of this brand so far? I can count 6. It may become Chinese owned, or some specialist brand held by a different parent, but the name will likely live on. They are already a brand rather than an independent company, and have been at least since the Citroen days.
How does China plan to sort our their current energy issues as they transition to electric? I love all the options, I want all EV's to succeed but they also have to get their gird greener and ready as well.
China's current energy issues are self inflicted by the government ahead of the winter Olympics to temporary clear the air in Beijing for global optics...
Mercedes EVA is only 400 V. I was surprised as well, but they can still get a decent charging speed out of it even on 400V. I think Porsche/Audi 800V architecture is capable of 350kw charing. That was the original plan. It is likely they are playing safe with the batteries. They want to see these Taycans in 10-15 years in the future out and in good shape. And this I respect in these companies. It is also possible GAC has a newer battery tech , which does not have a problem with high C values now. And now maybe Dongfeng too. GM Ultium will have a 400V architecture for passenger vehicles and 800V for trucks, although these are only the plans. They may change their minds and put 800V into all vehicles in the end. I don't think it says "combined" in what you read, but if it does it can mean "combining the front and read motors".
I am in the process of trading in my Chevy Volt for a Toyota Corolla ICE because we moved from a house with a garage outlet to a condo, so no way to charge anymore . And I’m not going to go find a charging station and take an hour to charge it, between possibly waiting and then charging. This Chinese car is exciting due to the fast charging though. It’s the only way people are going to switch to EV. But the charging infrastructure is not there now in the United States. And even if they build thousands of high power chargers windmills and solar can’t supply enough juice. New technology nuclear must be looked at if we want to get to even 65% EV use. That’s the “real world “, like it or not.
So, alluding to Chinese companies buying up brands, later on in this decade which Chinese company is going to buy a crippled General Motors? Would the Free Market loving USA government allow it? And would buying GM be worth it anyway? 😛
I think an ‘outsider’ might be interested perhaps in Cadillac, they wouldn’t pay for Chevy but maybe for the dealership network. But the way I’m reading the US car industry, GM and Ford will still be big in North America (also maybe becos politically they’ll get some support from the govt) but outside of that, they’ll be marginalized by these new devt in EVs. So the question is can Ford and GM survive on just the US market?
The cable isn't live until it is plugged in to the car and the car and charger have done the appropriate safety checks. It isn't just a simple extension cord.
Sam never addresses China's current crises: coal/steel shortages; Evergrande collapse ruining millions of middle class spec buyers of apartments; floods; pushback from other nations against China's aggressive "diplomacy." Surely, newly released cars there will find expected buyers now strapped. I wish he'd stop ignoring these factors and acting as though China's industrial production won't be set back, or isn't already. I write this as a skittish fan of BYD who's waffling about investing.
Most of what is said is fake news - there are no coal/steel shortages, plenty of steel stockpiled in Chinese ports, plenty of coal in Shanxi and Inner Mongolia, the issue is the price cap so coal plants won't buy expensive coal and burn it at a loss. Evergrande? It's assets cover its debt, other developers and the Chinese gov are just negotiating with Evergrande on what to buy and how much. Evergrande has a liquidity problem, not an asset crash, go take a class in business studies & economics to know the difference. Aggressive "diplomacy"? You mean western colonial aggression in western Pacific and how China's responding, yeah, China doesn't read the Bible so it won't turn the other cheek, it hits back. Fake news make you look stupid...
@@hydrohasspoken6227 your comment doesn't say how i'm being misled or anything of use. is it just meant to make me feel stupid? i wonder about people whoise comments, like yours, are like a hit and run. clarify, or maybe YOUR kids are confused.
Long after it was proven the world isn’t flat, millions of people still thot it was flat. It’s the same with China - people with closed minds who refuse to accept that things can change. Meanwhile places like China will not stop for anyone; also check out india, it’s chalk and cheese comparing it to 10 years ago. Look out for Indian consumer products to flood our stores next, if you cannot stomach Chinese ones - the march of these countries is unstoppable, embrace it or lose out!
Tesla does not have 800v charging. Range ? The model y is about the same. Software up dates ? Shouldnt model y work properly from day 1? None of my 3 cars require software updates.
@@nordic5490 I don't think you understand the benefit of software updates. there's not a single 800v charge in EU. I can't put them in at scale due to grid. model y has longer range.
So how many kWh for 400km in 10 minutes at 800Volts? 360kW/sec = 360×10/60=60kWh and 360kW/0.80kV=450Amps? And 150Wh/km =540kJ/km What's the diameter of the conductors?
I’m not bashing the Chinese cars because I really don’t know. But for me at the end of the day, it’s all going to come down to quality. Tesla has a track record of quality and Chinese products have always had an issue with quality. So we just have to wait and see. It won’t affect their sales for now but the world is watching.
I’m curious too - from what I see on western Chinese-car reviews, build quality looks better than ok, but only time will tell if they’re going to be reliable. AND if they did turn out to be reliable, OMG with their cheap prices, they’re going to turn the car market upside down! Already I see their cars being sold with 7-year warranty - there must be some confidence to it.
It takes me about 1 minute to charge my EV. That's approximately the elapsed time required to plug into the 120V outlet on my front porch at 10PM. When I wake up the next morning, i have a fully charged vehicle. The bloke down the street is attempting to build an oil refinery in his back yard, but it isn't going so well.
@@ITS_BOBBY47 Yes, we're not there yet with 10 minute charging at the highway rest stop. But most who dismiss EVs can't seem to think out of the box and realize that most of their driving amounts to less than 40 miles a day and that charging at home during the many hours you're not driving is a feature, not a bug.
@@longmarch2668 im homeless living in a 2008 Toyota Yaris Paying child support so my Kids can have a home food clothes. Im left broke soon after every payday. I just.counted my money just now and i have $34 to last me 8 days till payday again. I cant afford any car payments at all let alone.afford to rent a.home or apt to live in. ECONOMICS has me already enslaved to a LIFE OF Hell and there isn't a damn thing i can do about it. To the Rich its a Easy Purchase to me its a Slave Payment for endless Years i couldn't dream of being able to afford. I didnt chose.my life MY EX went 👿 on me and Doomed me to it and im in Limbo in Hell for life already and to add injury to insult , if life isn't already hard...there are no affordable E.V. to upgrade to when i do buy a NEW HOME. My.car will be my home thus i need bigger battery STORAGE 500 600 miles per charge at a affordable price. E.V. are a Rich mans toy.now. and im just a Prisoner of the System Greed Built 👿
I love it when I speak to people here in the UK and they dismiss these as 'just cheap Chinese crap that nobody will buy' - oh boy, have they got a shock coming (and the sooner the better).
I'm constantly surprised by the innovation occurring in China. Europe & US oem's are in for a huge shock.
Drove from Ontario Canada to Miami Florida and up the gulf coast (I75) to Fort Erie , Ontario. None of the truck stops or gas stations nor the road signs ,state signs , indicated electric charging points. The USA is in denial of the change.
In 2016 all diesel busses in Shenzhen (16000) were replaced with electric pretty much overnight. If Im not mistaken all taxis as well.
Dongfeng (meaning "East Wind") has a long automobile history in China, they're famous for their trucks and heavy vehicles, even military transport vehicles, I used to own their stocks, they have JVs with KIA and Nissan. Good to see they're doing EVs with a new brand.
They also have a JV with PSA. All the Peugeots and Citroens sold in China are made by them.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongfeng_Peugeot-Citro%C3%ABn
You see some of these Chinese BEVS and you wonder why they would buy anything else. We can only dream of those choices downunder atm.
Because they are looks. And then after that, they are still missing a lot.
You always find something and have to say, sorry still not there. The VW ID4/6 might be boring but they are way better vehicles on the driving part. Fit and finish in many parts, it is not there. Often they try to cut corners on the brakes, on the steering, on the magnetic shielding...
@@larsradtke4097 there will be no corners cut on Chinese Evs sold here in Australia when we see more arrive in the next year.
'Backwards Country: Australia'
Right On Brother!!!!!
Backwards Country that buy 50 billion worth of nuclear submarines... money well spent if you ask me.
@@morganangel340
Not sure about you, however l didn't VOTE 1 for the Submarines!
BTW 'What do you call a loud dog on board a Submarine?'
'SUBWOOFER! DOOF! DOOF!'
@@ivankuljis1780 you mean you want the government to spend money on healthcare, education and infrastructure and not weapons? you are such a socialist... LOL
@@morganangel340
I actually am a SOCIALIST....Here l am able to 'Be'
Arriving at the age of 5, l am a COMMUNIST born child from Vis.
I predict legacy automakers will be bought by giant Chinese companies just for the sake of their Brands, like Volvo, Polestar, MG
I totally agree.
I came here for clarity but are becoming more confused, more models, more choice and more research required to replace my ICE car. Lets hope they come to Australia sooner than later.
BTW, it looks like a very well designed car :)
Let's hope the 800V architecture becomes EV standard soon so that the whole FUD about long charging times can just vaporise like mist. That and LFPs become the default battery type so the misinformation about batteries needing to be replaced can also disappear and the price come right down to parity with ICE asap.
In China, outsider of Guangdong and Shaanxi province, most chargers are 38-60kw.
What good is this system if the max charger available is 160kw.
@@larsradtke4097 Yeah, most chargers are currently around 50kW. But that will change once 800V becomes more common, especially for charge stations in the middle of nowhere. 50kW is fine if it's somewhere where you can stop for a break. Plenty of places I can think of up and down the East Coast of Australia where 50kW would be fine if stopping for a break or lunch on a long drive.
@@yggdrasil9039 50KW is not good. Everything below 100kw is just bad for long travels
@@larsradtke4097 I agree. In the US we have these 10kw stations that are mainly useful for overnight charging. We'd be better off with 150kw stations where we could charge for 10 minutes before freeing it for the next car.
Electric Viking
You are Fantastic after watching so many interesting video of yours ... thought later ones will be boring... but NO it getting better
Best electrical vehicle channel !
Wow, thanks
any pickup truck need special permit in china, so the sales of that DF will be limited to factories and plantations only. "normal people" will use van / 7 seaters with backseat folded to bring things. BUT, surprisingly that permit is not needed if the pickup truck is EV!
Makes sense because they are trying to eliminate cancer causing polluting 100 year old technology ICE cars.
Great show again. Do you have any thoughts on the clampdown on western countries in China and how much would that effect your investments in BYD and other electric car companies in China
If Telsa makes its cars on its own, without Chinese partners, it's not because it gets special treatment or that Elon Musk is smarter than others. It's simply because a foreign carmaker doesn't need to create a JV with a Chinese partner if it makes EVs. By the way, from 2022 (or 2023), this requirement will also apply to foreign manufacturers of ICE
450 Amps X 800 Votls = 360 KW. Wire gauge needed for 450 Amps: 1000 kcmil.
No, they can run thinner wire because the cables are fluid cooled.
'VOYAH'......I've been watching you!
'A la la la la la long'. [Inner Circle]
quick, Elon, announce your 1200 volt charging in the (delayed again) NEW CYBERTRUCK!
I see the Tom Mersch troll bot is back again.
You have no idea what agony to charge my Tesla 3 performance from a wall socket. I will upgrade to a fast charging Chinese EV. The speed on the road is not enticing if the speed of charging is slow.
You don't seem to understand how this works, the wall socket is the limit to charging speed, a Tesla will charge at 250kW from a suitable charger, you just can't do that sort of charging at home. The Chinese EV won't charge any faster at home because your wall socket is limited to 10A or whatever it is.
800 volt fast charging technology just in time for Tesla coming compact car 🚗, which may have level 4 or 5 FSD.
Thanks very interesting video
It's not the voltage holding back charging, it's the battery's ability to take take energy without catching on fire or shortening its life. It's not healthy to charge a pack like this fast. Fast charging can occur at 3c safely if the heat can be dissipated -- quite possible with tesla's 4680. 1C is safe / easy. Faster than that starts to degrade cells / create excess heat. It's not a voltage problem --- it's just the nature of the battery.
Your work is splendid. All really agree.
800v is one part. The other is battery temperature management. Tesla does that really well. Hyundai maybe not so much. More testing necessary.
I believe the Ioniq5 also has 800V
@@Curacars It does . . .but Bjorn Nyland has experienced battery overheating when trying to DC fast charge after running the car at higher freeway speeds in Sweden. Not only did the charging speed throttle down as the battery got hotter fast charging. The acceleration power was signifigantly restricted as he got back on the freeway. This persisted until the battery temp dropped from cooling while driving. Teslas don't do this. Maybe this was one car. Maybe software. More testing necessary.
I think Maserati will exist in 10 years. How many owners have their been of this brand so far? I can count 6. It may become Chinese owned, or some specialist brand held by a different parent, but the name will likely live on. They are already a brand rather than an independent company, and have been at least since the Citroen days.
No product should have 'Free' as part of its name unless it is actually free. Looks good though.
Sam, Australia is getting the Cupra Born. How good is that!
Many taxi operators shall buy the cars because of the short charging time.
Wow. Must be the best looking car after polestar.
Jai Hinduja. Elon Musk has underestimated the EV power of the upcoming dark horse
They still need a large network of 800volts Superchargers…
How does China plan to sort our their current energy issues as they transition to electric? I love all the options, I want all EV's to succeed but they also have to get their gird greener and ready as well.
China's current energy issues are self inflicted by the government ahead of the winter Olympics to temporary clear the air in Beijing for global optics...
Where is the charging network for the car and what are their plans to roll that out so that you can charge in 10 minutes?
Wake up Electric Viking
Mercedes EVA is only 400 V. I was surprised as well, but they can still get a decent charging speed out of it even on 400V.
I think Porsche/Audi 800V architecture is capable of 350kw charing. That was the original plan. It is likely they are playing safe with the batteries. They want to see these Taycans in 10-15 years in the future out and in good shape. And this I respect in these companies.
It is also possible GAC has a newer battery tech , which does not have a problem with high C values now. And now maybe Dongfeng too.
GM Ultium will have a 400V architecture for passenger vehicles and 800V for trucks, although these are only the plans. They may change their minds and put 800V into all vehicles in the end.
I don't think it says "combined" in what you read, but if it does it can mean "combining the front and read motors".
Is it nickel?
I am in the process of trading in my Chevy Volt for a Toyota Corolla ICE because we moved from a house with a garage outlet to a condo, so no way to charge anymore . And I’m not going to go find a charging station and take an hour to charge it, between possibly waiting and then charging.
This Chinese car is exciting due to the fast charging though. It’s the only way people are going to switch to EV. But the charging infrastructure is not there now in the United States. And even if they build thousands of high power chargers windmills and solar can’t supply enough juice. New technology nuclear must be looked at if we want to get to even 65% EV use.
That’s the “real world “, like it or not.
Voyah FREE ....KOOL design
Lose the ICE motor!
This look allmost exactly like the Skoda Enyaq
Lol, Skoda enyaq look like a BMW
Dongfen. Don’t they make trucks?
Hand ruffling sound effect are distracting
He is Italian speaking to the deaf. Yes, it is annoying.
I find it quite calming. 🙂
800 volts more dangerous than 400 volts [Sandy Munro] is this a problem? not sure
Thought those high voltage chargers cut battery life dramatically. Comments?
So, alluding to Chinese companies buying up brands, later on in this decade which Chinese company is going to buy a crippled General Motors? Would the Free Market loving USA government allow it? And would buying GM be worth it anyway? 😛
Of course not. Is the us gets another trump they would do their nut.
I think an ‘outsider’ might be interested perhaps in Cadillac, they wouldn’t pay for Chevy but maybe for the dealership network. But the way I’m reading the US car industry, GM and Ford will still be big in North America (also maybe becos politically they’ll get some support from the govt) but outside of that, they’ll be marginalized by these new devt in EVs. So the question is can Ford and GM survive on just the US market?
just a matter of time now
Clinical laboratory test conditions
Is my guess.
tesla WILL beat, uh, nobody actually. um, FSD? nah we just tested to get in a line for FSD, and who knows how long the line is
The higher the Voltage the quicker the corrosion, eh Porsche?
Elon will become a great plant botanist, or pastry chef, or perhaps a poodle pumper
Is there anyone else concerned about handling a 800 extension cord, love your podcast Viking dude
The cable isn't live until it is plugged in to the car and the car and charger have done the appropriate safety checks. It isn't just a simple extension cord.
Sam never addresses China's current crises: coal/steel shortages; Evergrande collapse ruining millions of middle class spec buyers of apartments; floods; pushback from other nations against China's aggressive "diplomacy." Surely, newly released cars there will find expected buyers now strapped. I wish he'd stop ignoring these factors and acting as though China's industrial production won't be set back, or isn't already. I write this as a skittish fan of BYD who's waffling about investing.
Stop being easily misled, or you will pass this tendency to your kids.
Most of what is said is fake news - there are no coal/steel shortages, plenty of steel stockpiled in Chinese ports, plenty of coal in Shanxi and Inner Mongolia, the issue is the price cap so coal plants won't buy expensive coal and burn it at a loss. Evergrande? It's assets cover its debt, other developers and the Chinese gov are just negotiating with Evergrande on what to buy and how much. Evergrande has a liquidity problem, not an asset crash, go take a class in business studies & economics to know the difference. Aggressive "diplomacy"? You mean western colonial aggression in western Pacific and how China's responding, yeah, China doesn't read the Bible so it won't turn the other cheek, it hits back. Fake news make you look stupid...
@@hydrohasspoken6227 your comment doesn't say how i'm being misled or anything of use. is it just meant to make me feel stupid? i wonder about people whoise comments, like yours, are like a hit and run. clarify, or maybe YOUR kids are confused.
Long after it was proven the world isn’t flat, millions of people still thot it was flat. It’s the same with China - people with closed minds who refuse to accept that things can change. Meanwhile places like China will not stop for anyone; also check out india, it’s chalk and cheese comparing it to 10 years ago. Look out for Indian consumer products to flood our stores next, if you cannot stomach Chinese ones - the march of these countries is unstoppable, embrace it or lose out!
I agree it would sell well in Europe for that price, but I would rather have a model Y. charging availability, range, software update etc
Tesla does not have 800v charging. Range ? The model y is about the same. Software up dates ? Shouldnt model y work properly from day 1?
None of my 3 cars require software updates.
@@nordic5490 I don't think you understand the benefit of software updates.
there's not a single 800v charge in EU. I can't put them in at scale due to grid.
model y has longer range.
So how many kWh for 400km in 10 minutes at 800Volts?
360kW/sec = 360×10/60=60kWh and 360kW/0.80kV=450Amps?
And 150Wh/km =540kJ/km
What's the diameter of the conductors?
12 x 6-gauge wires should do it to bring that level of power to a junction box where it is redistributed to various entry point in the battery.
I’m not bashing the Chinese cars because I really don’t know. But for me at the end of the day, it’s all going to come down to quality. Tesla has a track record of quality and Chinese products have always had an issue with quality. So we just have to wait and see. It won’t affect their sales for now but the world is watching.
I’m curious too - from what I see on western Chinese-car reviews, build quality looks better than ok, but only time will tell if they’re going to be reliable. AND if they did turn out to be reliable, OMG with their cheap prices, they’re going to turn the car market upside down! Already I see their cars being sold with 7-year warranty - there must be some confidence to it.
Maybe you can also keep your videos around 10 minutes.
PORSCHE 'THAI_CARN' imho
That's what I will be waiting for before I purchase an EV.... drive to the local Electric Station and get juiced up in 10 minutes.
It takes me about 1 minute to charge my EV. That's approximately the elapsed time required to plug into the 120V outlet on my front porch at 10PM. When I wake up the next morning, i have a fully charged vehicle. The bloke down the street is attempting to build an oil refinery in his back yard, but it isn't going so well.
@@benjaminnead8557 Traveling alot in USA, so I need something that will charge quickly not overnight.
@@ITS_BOBBY47 Yes, we're not there yet with 10 minute charging at the highway rest stop. But most who dismiss EVs can't seem to think out of the box and realize that most of their driving amounts to less than 40 miles a day and that charging at home during the many hours you're not driving is a feature, not a bug.
@@benjaminnead8557 Most..not me...must have. Waiting until then
Low range i wouldn't pay over $16,000 for it
@linkzable toyota yaris 2008 400 mpg under 11,000
@Plain Truth will see what i can get in 5 Years WHEN E.V.s GET REAL about Cost. Only a idiot would PAY THAT FOR THAT
@@truecolors967 if 5 years waiting means nothing to you, sure.
@@longmarch2668 im homeless living in a 2008 Toyota Yaris Paying child support so my Kids can have a home food clothes. Im left broke soon after every payday. I just.counted my money just now and i have $34 to last me 8 days till payday again. I cant afford any car payments at all let alone.afford to rent a.home or apt to live in. ECONOMICS has me already enslaved to a LIFE OF Hell and there isn't a damn thing i can do about it. To the Rich its a Easy Purchase to me its a Slave Payment for endless Years i couldn't dream of being able to afford. I didnt chose.my life MY EX went 👿 on me and Doomed me to it and im in Limbo in Hell for life already and to add injury to insult , if life isn't already hard...there are no affordable E.V. to upgrade to when i do buy a NEW HOME. My.car will be my home thus i need bigger battery STORAGE 500 600 miles per charge at a affordable price. E.V. are a Rich mans toy.now. and im just a Prisoner of the System Greed Built 👿
tesla will be purchased by Chinese, rather than tesla going broke