I play D3 at George Fox University and no one on my team really believes they can make it to the league. Everyone is here to have fun and enjoy our last chance to play football.
GF - You guys stirred up the NWC - I would ask this person this question does that kid going to MIT think he is going to MIT for a football shot at pro? orrrrr could it be something else. And does he think a Juco transfer would help him at lets say an MIT or a Johns Hopkins etc etc etc...
It’s really self-explanatory. If anyone really thinks that going D3 could actually help you get to the NFL then they are stupid. Any D3 player should know that. It’s really about playing the game you love and getting a good education.
Possibly the dumbest title for a video ever. 99% of the people playing division 3 football aren’t doing it to go to the NFL. They are doing in part because they love the game/they are doing it to help them get into a good school. The video literally starts off with the dude telling his viewers that his title makes no sense.
Yea it was click bait. And it's worse because now the video comes across as pointless. I don't think anyone goes to the D3 trying to get to the NFL. So it's not even close to a scam
@@MikeBNumba6 Amen.. let's consider MIT fields a program, believe me none of those kids think they have a shot at the NFL...there are 249 DIII programs of which 99% have zero chance, if it was a FB draw then why have 249? Because they guys want to get an education from those institutions, and play the game they love not play for a school that recruits them and hope for a good education. Sorry for the guy hating on Linfield, but I believe he would find if he DID complete his education there it would be beneficial later in his career.
I play D3 football and gotta say that everyone has specific circumstances for choosing what division they go to. Obviously everyone wants to make it to the NFL and that is also a dream of mine. However, I'm attending a prestigious college and only pay 5k a year at a 70k school. This is due to financial aid bc really good small schools have a good endowment that helps pay for students to attend. That degree will open up many doors for me and I still get to grind and try to achieve my dream. If you can play they will find you don't listen to statistics. Therefore I always have my back up plan. Playing college football period is a great thing and even though I dominated in high school I'm a 5'8 dtackle who was never going to get an opportunity no matter what to receive a D1 offer. Do what's best for your future bc its all about what you do with you OPPORTUNITY!!!
Facts bro !! I’m a 6’2 wideout , run a 4.57 and a complete set , i wasn’t given the chance to showcase my skills my last year of highschool no playing time , had some really bad coach issues I’m not making this up bro , but my only option is to start off at a d3 man you got to start off somewhere , i really love doingthis I’m trying to make history in my family it’s going to be a lot of doubters just stick to the plan get your film up and then send your film off to better schools . I’m coming bro and for all the doubters fuck em .
@@bg4807 I would bet a lot of money that that guy never finished college. Wasn't given a chance running a 4.5 at 6'2 in HS, had "coach issues" lol. He's either a liar (about his skillset) and/or he was the "issue", not his coaches. He didn't do shit at whatever D3 school he went to, if he even did go to college.
If u don’t get a division 1 offer out of high school, then ur choices r d2, D3, naia, and juco. If u think that u r D1 talent, then d2 and D3 schools r not where u want to go. EVERYONE that plays d2 and D3 knows that they don’t wanna go pro or r not D1 talent but love football. So saying that D3 football is a scam is not true. And it’s pretty obvious that D3 football doesn’t get you to the nfl. And yes I agree with you that the juco route is better for trying to go pro
This is false lol do you know that most of these D1 players figure out the grass isnt always greener at a D1 school and then transfer to a D2 school. Look at this list www.google.com/amp/s/www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2018-09-04/dii-football-players-2018-nfl-rosters%3famp
Not true at all. PLENTY of teams still look at D2 schools, im a redshirt freshman at APU a top 25 ranked D2 school in socal, we have NFL scouts at practice almost every week maybe our school is different cuz our coaches have a lot of connections, our special teams coach was on the rams staff for 13 yrs and our oline coach is in the HOF Jackie slater so maybe we just have connections but plenty of the teams we play also get a good amount of scouts
I am a D3 athlete and I agree with the points you made in the video about going the juco route. However the point about D3 sports is that many of us are not trying to go pro and are just trying to extend our athletic careers. For most people, they end their athletic careers in high school. Being able to play in college is an experience in itself.
Someone get burnt chasing the NFL dream maybe? When you play in high school, people tell you you're probably not good enough to play in college. Then in college you're told that you'll never make it to the big school. Then if you make it to the big school, people will tell you you'll never make it to the NFL......don't give up on your dreams because someone on UA-cam tells you not to bother
The NAIA is the similar story, especially i came from a NAIA school and we played D1-AA (FCS) to D3 schools. When I came out of high school was 6'3 245 lbs defensive end with a 4.6 40 speed. JUCO wasn't there on the table, but i never realized the JUCO route until my sophomore year in college. Originally I was verbally committed to Georgia Southern until they actually gave out the final scholarship which got me gone into a NAIA school. They coaches were former D1 assistant coaches and those who did coached in the NFL, CFL, Arena league, and XFL and they would tell you do you have what it takes to play on Sunday. We did have one player who actually made it to the NFL and played 5 years before hanging up his cleats. I did worked hard for regional combines, team workouts for arena and cfl, but that goal is always the NFL, but gotta start somewhere. I honestly believed if i had the JUCO option, things might go as different.
@jacksonboi8789: Anyone who was 6' 3" and weighed 245 pounds and ran a 4.6 40-yd. dash out of high school clearly had the tools to have been an All-American at whatever NAIA school they attended. Their failure to have made it in the NAIA (much less the NFL) was not due to not having "the JUCO option." It might have been that they didn't work hard enough to improve the way they needed to improve, or that they were lacking the mental capabilities to play at a very high level - or to pass college courses (which equals laziness). Let me ask you this: Your post is now four years old, meaning that you should have graduated from your NAIA school by now, with a valuable college degree (Business? Education? Medical?) that equipped you to obtain any number of high-paying jobs that would have set you up for the rest of your life. So, what are you doing now? Are you a college grad who is working at one of those high-paying jobs? Or, are you a college drop-out working at a McDonald's and telling anyone within earshot how great you were at football and how you would've been in the NFL right now if only you'd been informed about "the JUCO option"? Living in Dreamsville doesn't pay the bills, my friend.
If you're good enough for the League the League will find you, the key thing about getting to the League is that it doesn't matter what division you go between NAIA, D3, D2, D1-FCS, or D1-FBS if you don't develop you're not going to get drafted or signed by any NFL team, I played at the Cumberlands and we had a player a couple players get signed because they had developed to a high level of play good enough to be in the league, one of the player even broke Chris Johnson's 40 record, but because it wasn't at the big combine wasn't recognized, he got signed by the Texans. No level of football is a "Scam" if the coaches can properly develop your skills.
i played at CW Post which was DII at the time and our team was loaded with DI and D1-AA washouts...we even had one guy who started for Missouri at WR as a freshman but got arrested for robbing his own coaches locker room and kicked off the team....LOL...
If you go to any college with the NFL as the end game, you are already in trouble. Only like 300 players get drafted. Another 300 or so will get a free agent shot. There are 120 FBS football schools with roughly 20 seniors each. That is 2400 seniors and that doesn’t include FCS, D2, D3 and NAIA. The math isn’t in your favor from the day you show up on campus.
Tips from my experience going D3 and what I've learned about recruiting: You need to sell yourself to college coaches/Scouts. if you think that just because you work out with your team and your a starter for your varsity team and that you think the colleges will find you and will give you offers, sorry to break it to you but they wont find you. You need to fill out recruiting information at the college websites that your interested in with links to your highlights, you need to go to college scouting combines and college individual camps hosted by colleges to give yourself exposure, outside of weightlifting at your school you need to be in sporting workouts at sport gyms and go to position camps/training to work on your game, the sooner you start doing all of these things the better of a chance you will give yourself to get noticed by colleges. You have to sell yourself enough that colleges will give you a scholarship to play the sport for their school.
The reason many people go D3 versus D2 or D1 is because they have more free time to get a better education. Many D1 schools will limit what you can major in and for many players that is not their dream. In D3, you can chose whatever you want. That is what makes D3 special
Seth Breneman Some schools will limit you. It will also be almost unachievable if you are looking to do something in the medial field or something with a lot of labs
@@donaldtrump9669 I think the point is that it IS possible, especially considering that every once in awhile the NCAA decides to crack down on the amount of time a student is permitted to practice, etc.
I feel you I played at Belhaven with Tremaine Brock and he made it pro and is still in the league now 8 years later but literally no one else from our conference has made an NFL team since he did 8 years ago!!!
D3 schools are not allowed to give athletic scholarships and they do not have to ability to redshirt players, only medical shirt. If you choose D3 you better know what you want to go to college for because you'll most likely get into debt as soon as you start going to school there and regardless if you play or not, you'll be using your eligibility as soon as you enter training camp going into your first season. There is 2 ways of getting around the eligibility part, you can not to participate in practice to retain your 1st year of eligibility, or walk on to the team later on that year or later. But like I said you aren't on athletic scholarship so you will still be getting into debt regardless.
@@brayanpineda7547 no athletic scholarships, but most D3 programs give you good grants and academic scholarships. D3 schools should be cheaper than most public schools because they provide more aid. So even if you go into debt, it shouldn't be that much. D2 schools do the same thing. They give you partial academic scholarships. D1 schools do to. I know guys that played for Ohio state that still had debt. It wasn't much, but they still had some
MikeBNumba6 oh thought they did because many high school football players post pictures on Twitter about being offered to a certain school and sometimes their d3
@@Antbeast23 That's not what he means. Garcon and Ali Marpet went to Division III to extend their football playing lives, they just happened to be good enough to make a NFL roster. If you intend on making the NFL, you simply can't expect to make it from Division III, you go to Division III to keep playing.
@@de132 You hit the nail on the head. No one EXPECTS to play D3 ball and play in the NFL. You'll have the rare guy every couple or so years that absolutely dominates and gets drafted. But its so uncommon...
So i am going to D3 football and i can’t go D2 or D1 because of grades but I’m D2 talent so is there an anyway i can make it even if i have to transfer
I played for an D1-AA(FCS) school. you're best bet is to go the juco route it'll help you get your grades up and you might even be able to get some D1-FBS offers. Who knows you may just be a late bloomer.
Ok so I'm not saying it's impossible because you can do anything with Christ inside of you, but it is extremely hard! Stay motivated and keep on grinding Badger!
Thank you so much for this information, I definitely want to play football, but I'm a junior in high school. It is nice too know that I have options like this though, for after high school. Would've never known. Thank you so much Markus!!!
I played football at a D3 in California (same as Eric Rodgers, the guy he mentioned in the video) and 4 of my teammates got a shot on the LA rams and one guy made it to the practice squad for a couple practices. And I have an old teammate who is still currently at this school and will most likely get an NFL shot to play CB in 2020. If you are good and your team has some connections, It’s possible man. I agree with everything this man said about the Juco route tho. 100% spot on.
And a lot of people are talking crap saying “who goes to a D3 with hopes of playing in the league” i just wanna say not everyone gets the same exposure out of Highschool and even going the JUCO route you can get overlooked and get lost in the shuffle man. I guess I’m just taking it personal cuz that was me lol but i also had a handful of teammates with the same hopes and dreams that all went JUCO. Just my take on it
I was an engineering major and I started taking engineering lower divs freshman year and upper divs sophomore year so that's something I wouldn't have experienced if I went to junior college (no football in my story though). That's also how I knew before it was too late that I was not meant to be an engineer, but I needed to suffer through the upper divs first lol
I’m going to play division 3, and I’d obviously love to make it to the nfl and if I can I will. But going d3 is helping me get accepted to a really great school even tho my grades in high school were literally ass. Now I get to attend a great school and get to play football longer than most athletes
Let me preface this by saying I went Juco to d3 - I played two years at Cal Lu, with Eric Rogers, the WR highlighted in the video. Most d3 schools are small, private schools - meaning the tuition will be expensive from the jump, because of the type of university it is. Now, no one goes d3 because they are planning to go to the league. For starters, if you were that good to have the NFL in your future, you’d be going to a Power 5 school. But scouts aren’t looking at you, and you just want to play football. Thus, you go d3 because you want to play football and get your education. You are paying for your education and football is a bonus. Now, some guys DO make it to the league from d3, but those guys developed late or had extenuating circumstances and weren’t expected to go big time out of high school - which is why they ended up d3 in the first place. Believe me, they didn’t go d3 because they viewed it is a path to the league, much less a shortcut there. To be totally honest, this video comes across as a guy who couldn’t cut it at a d3 school and is bitter. I’m not saying d3 is for everyone, but believe me, we all know what we are getting into. If you don’t, it’s on you. This video is misleading, and is really a trash video. Do better, man!
Can you maybe do a video on how to play football in the Us on a college level as an international player or like how to get recognized by college coaches . I think that would be very interesting. Nice video !
Glad this video was able to help!!! Juco is the best way to go out of high school if you don't have any scholarships! Stay blessed Victor and have a great day!!!
Division 3 sports in general is a scam, not just football. I was offered the highest academic scholarship at a d3 school a few hours away from me for baseball, and I would still be paying $35,000 a year. Not only is it extremely expensive, you’d have a hard time transferring credits if you wanted to leave. I ended up committing to a juco out of state. Not only will I be saving TONS of money, but my school sends a lot of guys to d1 schools since we have so many connections. Sounds like a great idea to me!
I figured this out my sophomore year. I dropped out. They wanted the demands of a D1 scholarship but didn’t want to help. I asked my coach about any help and he’s looked me in my eye and said there was nothing. It’s not worth it. I’ll tell any parents that it’s a waste of time
hate to break it to you but some D3 schools can give you better financial aid package than D2 and NAIA schools. I get what you’re trying to say about JuCos but at the end of the day there aren’t too many good junior colleges with stable football programs and a good ability to help you reach a high level
JuCo is best route. All you have to do is get and maintain a high GPA and train. GPA will get you into any D-1 school and at that point you just assess your talent for the position of need for the team.
D3 students do make the NFL, just not starting and very few seasons. The Wisconsin D3 schools are very affordable! Whitewater, Lacrosse, and River Falls (Kansas City Chiefs used to have their summer training on this campus, the seats in some of the classrooms are extra wide to accommodate the football players) have all had students make it to the NFL (practice teams, 3rd string QBs).
I’m going d3 with nfl hopes. Only reason why I’m hopeful for the nfl is Bc I have size. I’m 6’4 300 pound gaurd that runs a 5.0. I’ve pancaked multiple d1 commits but my highschool is small with 0 exposure
this applies to basketball as well, if you wan't to get to D1 jr. college is the route. I think as an athlete in high school there is a bad rep about jr. college, people tend to think it's a dead end. Reality is, it's the best possible route for non ranked athletes. good post!
There's Ali Marpet D3 Pierre Garcon D3 Joe Callahan D3 Cecil Shorts D3 Alex Tanney D3 Matt Gono D3 Derek Carrier D3 Nicholas Morrow D3 Dan Aebold D3 Tremaine Brock D3 Brandon Zylstra D3 Michael Joeseph D3 Jeremy Vujnovich D3 Jack Kumerow D3 All D3 players that made an NFL roster in 2018. When you put your mind to it anything's possible. Seems like you just gave up.
Point of the matter, if you’re a D3 school, you’ve gotta grind it to the point where you don’t recognize yourself 4 hrs later. You’ve gotta have a will made of steel, and a lot of money to not only support your schooling, but also you’re training and fueling the body you’re forging.
I am sorry for your experience at Linfield, sounds like a sad situation but if you didn't know about the 2 year JC route then I have to ask... how? I am a DIII fan because there are 249 teams in DIII - Your point kind of went mute and respectfully here is why. A good number of students are at the school for the education, and the sport is on the side. Sure if your willing to go to UMU, UMHB (Had two kids grad from there), UW whitewater etc etc.. it would be great to be part of the schools programs. But I am afraid you miss this point..there are 249 Football programs in DIII...Not all of these guys are looking for a UMU, UMHB, UW-W or top tier DIII program experience, it is the education that the Ranked 25th team Wabash or the ranked 100th team offers. There are so many programs out there that will NEVER break out beyond conference play, take the SCIAC conference as a perfect example, the champion will win their conference and be a cupcake game in the first round of playoffs to whoever draws them. If this were a football mill league then there would be what, only top 10, maybe 15 who would even field a program? But there are 249, Johns Hopkins this season had their first ever deep run into the playoff bracket - How many years have they been a football program? MIT fields a program...definitely not a football mill...St. Johns for crying out loud has had football near the turn of the century and still chugging along with some of the most rabid fans (In a good way) but sadly having a hit or miss playoff run. These guys (at least the UMHB guys I know) are fully aware that it is the education first and the sport is great to be part of, and no illusion of a NFL run but they want en education from that institution, not a JC. Joe Callahan out of Wesley I think is still with Tampa Bay after being released from the Packers. Blake Jackson from the Cru was called up to the Browns - Sure there are outliers there, but that is the same with DI players as well, not all DI players make it beyond their senior year.
I don’t fully agree with you because you can go to college as a D3 athlete, and work your way up, just being able to make it on a D3 team and then get offers from D1 colleges could lead you to the NFL.
Yeah but nowadays most junior college coaches would take a D1 bounce back then the kid straight out of high school because he is more developed and more skilled rather than help the high school player get developed and plus a lot of junior colleges coaches kick players off the team to make room for certain players they want
D3 at any sport doesn't offer athletic scholarships but the primary reason to go attend those schools are for education. For baseball specifically, no D1 school offers full baseball scholarships exception of Army, Navy, and Air Force academy. Coaches choose percentage scholarships (from 10%-80%). To go back to football, an NFL bound player is at least recruited to a mid-major program (Mountain West, Sun Belt, C USA, MAC, American Athletic conference)where as the lower grade athletes play in the FCS. You have a lot of transfers from power D1 schools that will go to FCS schools to play right away. A specialty position like a kicker, punter, long snapper can come from any division football program, it comes down to if their skills can adapt to the pro level. You have CFL, Arena football, and the upcoming XFL if you want to play pro ball
Army Navy and Air Force don't even offer any athletic scholarships. They're free so long as you don't drop out early. You have to serve in the military if you go.
@@davidb5219 The three military academies I mention pay 100% of their schooling. Army, Navy, and Air Force still recruit student athletes to play for their programs. I was making a point that not all programs that field a sport covers 100% of scholarship
But, of course, if you're a great baseball player, stand back and be amazed at how much OTHER financial aid a school will be able to come up with to cover your costs.
@@AJHart-eg1ys Yeah but an average scholarship at D 1 baseball team covers 40%. Financial aid does a lot but unless a 1st rounder commits to power 5 school when the MLB will pay him a million dollar signing bonus, the bluechip will be lured in. You have a lot of D1 players dropping out in playing JUCO ball if they're draft ready
The only problem with going the juco route is that your options are very limited.. there are plenty of states that don’t offer a football program for any of their junior colleges and some people don’t like going very far away from home so that’s why I believe some people go the D3 route
I must say that I went D3 a Looooong time ago when D3 was not much more expensive than a JUCO school. I had no dreams of going pro. I just wanted to play again. HOWEVER, our star RB, Dino Hall, was drafted by the Giants, was cut & picked up by the Cleveland Browns & played 5yrs. I actually got to see him play & score a TD. BUT.... I do know what you are saying. My little brother was an animal LB in HS. Because he was undersized, he got no offers except from Hudson Valley. The coach made him all kinds of promises so he went. First day of practice he found out this was in a football factory! The guy had like 20 LBs all vying for a few spots. My brother got discouraged & quit after 1 yr. A similar thing happened to my nephew who was a promising left handed pitcher. He got promised all sorts of things by a coach in a school in PA, but once he got there, he found the same situation; a Baseball factory. He got dumped in the bull pen & ignored so he too called it quits after 1 year. People say D1 coaches use players, but truth is, it's the smaller schools you really have to watch out for!
I played at a NAIA HBCU and I played with 3 guys that made to it the league and another one that played in the CFL. We played NAIA, D2, and FCS schools. But yeah, its definitely harder to make it when youre not coming from the FBS. Most athletes need to realize, the NFL is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to make.
Hey I ain’t saying this to show off at all believe me. But I got a NAIA offer which is similar to D2 they offered me 95% scholarship. So don’t knock off a NAIA offer
Man deadass it’s not only talent. If you play for a small high school, if you play out of position for your body size. If you are a graduating senior who is going D3 school see if you can keep up and exceed the competition that’s there. If you can you could transfer. I know many D3 athletes who know they could go D1 if they had the size. Size matters a ton to these schools
However, as an athlete track runner at a Division-3 school. Your chances on making the NFL are very slim. You have other options like the (CFL) Canadian Football League, (AFL) Arena Football League, or even Semi Pro. Which isn't the NFL obviously. CFL contracts are between 40,000-210,000 which isn't a horrible salary with a league growing. Plus some NFL scouts will come through practices, especially Midwest teams like Green Bay Packers or Cleveland Browns. Is it worth the investment? Depends on academic scholarship, FASFA, etc.
Glad I came across this video. I really wanted to make a video about the same thing to warn current seniors about the dangers of of going D3. One of the biggest reasons I would advise guys to skip D3 is because since there are no scholarships, literally anyone can make the team. When I first arrived at my D3 team there was 170 people on the team. All kids had to do was reach out to a coach and said they wanted to play and they would receive a offer letter. Guys that played JV all through high school even got letters. D3 football is just essentially for rich kids who aren’t good enough for the next level but still want to play in college. Another sucky thing is that we spent about the same amount of time on football activities as guys at D1 programs, without the scholarship.
What this guy isn't stating is that these colleges will come up with "academic" scholarships to cover your share of the tuition at d3 colleges. The Garcon's of the world were also d1 caliber but likely didn't have the grades to play.
The guy in this video is right. If you miss out on D 1 or 1AA you go to a Junior College. At least then if you are stuck paying your own way it is less expensive like he said. So you don't go broke chasing your dream in JUCO. And as far as classes for most College Freshmen the classes in Junior College and Regular College are basically the same. The KEY on Academics going to JUCO route is to check to make sure all of your classes are ACCREDITED... that basically means those classes will COUNT if you transfer. And as a JUCO... your GOAL is to Transfer, right? You need your grades to go with you to be eligible to play. And do you really want to take THE SAME CLASS AGAIN at your next school? No. SO be sure your classes are ACCREDITED. Even if you don't make it in Football... at least those classes will not be WASTE of your TIME. But also... be realistic. If you 40 time is not NFL material. If you are TINY. Sure you CAN get a little quicker and stronger. But the NFL is about the measurables more than the intangibles. If you aren't big or fast enough you might be better off going to the BEST SCHOOL your football can get you into doing something you want to do AFTER Football.
If you end up in D3 then NFL is next to impossible unless you flat out dominate D3, even then it’s unlikely you’ll get drafted earlier than the 5th round. Hell it’s hard to go FCS to NFL, let alone D3.
Fun fact: there are D3 colleges with a host of D1 talent athletes that couldn't get D1 offers, because they were shafted by genetics for being one or two inches too short or grades ect. I played against a lot of different D1 commit D-linemen in high school that I absolutely overpowered and man handled for most of the game. What was the difference between me and them? They were genetic freaks standing at 6'5"-6'6" at 300 pounds and I was 6'2" at 260 lbs. Yet I was still stronger and faster lmao.. Another difference between them and I? I had the fiery will and passion to play the game that far exceeded their own and I was a lot meaner than them. They were just giant hitting dummies. Overall: Great video and I completely agree with you. I made the mistake of taking a D3 offer and I fucking hated it. I should have taken the junior college route for sure.
So I’m a DB I’m 6’0 245 and I run a 4.46 but it’s no college looking at me I been out of high school for 2 years now and still can’t find a home to play football at what should I do ?
It's absolutely amazing how many people here are citing Pierre Garcon having played D3 as proof that there must be "a lot of D3 players in the NFL." Here's a hint people: If everyone is naming the same few exceptions, that pretty much proves the rule. It's almost not worth trying to educate some people.
So I was wondering if you could help. I’m going to this college for my major but they are d3 and instead of football obviously cause I’m a girl I’m considering playing volleyball. I am not hoping to go pro in anything cause I don’t even think you can but I still might want to play. How much of a difference would you say d3 sports are from high school level. If the competition that much harder? How skilled would you need to be to play in d3 cause I feel like I am pretty skilled in my sport but Im still trying to figure out if that’s good enough to play in college.....
It depends on the school's volleyball team. I would say 75-80% of D3 schools are just a small step above high school. You're just going up against older competition. But just check and see where your school's volleyball program ranks nationally. But regardless, I would join the team! Worst case scenario, the competition will be tough but it will make you a better player! Hope this helps Aubree, stay blessed.
12. That's how many people are in the NFL this year that played in Division III. Out of the 2,016 spots on a NFL roster, that's a total of .06% of the NFL. Less than a tenth of a percent of the league is from Division III. In comparison, 46 different NCAA Division I schools have more active NFL players than the entirety of Division III. Everyone playing Division III should already know this. The Division III players in the NFL are: Jeremy Vujnovich (ARI), Matt Gono (ATL), Michael Joseph (CHI, practice squad), Tramaine Brock (DEN), Jake Kumerow (GB), Brandon Zylstra (MIN), Dan Arnold (NO), Alex Tanney (NYG), Derek Carrier (OAK), Nicholas Morrow (OAK), Pierre Garçon (SF), Ali Marpet (TB)
I think we might have been both playing D3 ball at the same time, my freshman season was in 2014 and I was at Whitworth University. The only reasons why I went there was because it's the only school I got accepted to and it was my best chance to play college football. I played there for 2 seasons (3 semesters) geting into nearly 14k in debt and transferred back to my local cc and got my associates. For me I gave up football when I transferred due to losing the love of the game during my last season, I was able to pay the three quarters I was at cc on my own and didnt get into any more school debt while I was there. I guess my cc had a football team but with me using two years of eligibility, going back to school in the spring, and the school not having any links to a football team on their website or contact information I thought it was a waste of time. I paid off all my debt 2 months ago and was fortunate to have not stayed at the school i was at and gotten into more debt.
Ask Mount Union if D3 football is a scam. They've sent 14 players/coaches onto the NFL, notably Cecil Shorts III and Pierre Garcon (yeah, that guy). They've won countless Stagg Bowls and are the best D3 football program in the country. If you can play, the NFL will find you as one commenter said
If there is one position at one school that I think might be a d3 player's best path, it's WR at Mount Union. After Garcon and Shorts, Jasper Collins was signed as an undrafted, and Roman Namdar and Jared Ruth worked out for a few teams, and Justin Hill was on his way for at least the same until COVID screwed up everything. With the number of coaches to come out of the program along with its sustained level of success, scouts do make it a point to visit. A prospect still has to dominate at the d3 level to be considered, but at Mount or some of the other marquee programs there are usually opportunities to do just that.
So figured I'd throw this comment down here, I was a guy who kinda coasted on natural size and athleticism in High School, I was 6'3 350ish, I took a few years off after high school since I was too down on myself to find any real direction, . Now I am starting school, but I picked a branch campus of a major D1 school, my plan is to spend the 2 years at that branch campus grinding (they have amazing facilities for training), then I want to try to walk on once I start at the main campus. I also lost a bunch of weight, I am down to 275 and have corrected my bad eating habits. Does anyone have any tips to make it a feasible plan? I am also not sure if it is a better idea to focus on packing on muscle and going up to around 300 again and play interior defensive lineman, or try to cut another 20-30 pounds and try my hand at linebacker or tight end.
So Morgaan, firstly I would find out if you truly have passion for the sport. From your comment it sounds like you haven't ever really sacrificed for football (extra practices, watching tape, eating right, etc.) before you try and keep on playing football just because it's all you've done, I would write down what your WHY is. Why do you play/love football. Then in whatever you write down will be your answer to your question! Stay blessed and stay focused!!!
@@SharpeSports Well I do love the game, I watch film for fun often, I'm on the Atkins diet now so I'm eating healthier than ever. I do love to play and practice, I just tend to get in my own head a lot. For example I never filled out the paper saying "Hey I want college offers" even though I knew D2 schools were interested. I also suffered from what you went through where I never had a coach to tell me, "Hey you can do it." I also have a problem in keeping good consistent lifting/conditioning habits due to me wanting instant progress, and clinical depression, so any workout tips? or workouts programs you recommend? Thanks for responding, I do plan to stick around the channel and I'll be sure to update you on any progress!
@@morgaanmcsg9873 like he said you better truly find out if you love it. Everybody says that but when you get to college and realize that drastic difference in commitment level from high school to college. I played d3 at 2 different schools. Everybody says they love it but like 15 kids would quit during training camp because they realize how much more work if is. Not trying to scare you but you need to really find out how bad you want to play and I would spend your time trying to one improve your consistency in diet and training. This isn't high school if you don't train seriously especially as a linemen it's going to be rough.
Thats crazy cuz linfield offered me too!!! The NFL really only look at D1 and D2 schools, like i go to a D2 and we have NFL scouts at coming to practice almost every week
@@timothyoneill3350 Whats linfield or where I’m at now? I was at APU which was the only D2 in Cali but cause of covid they defunded the program after losing so much money just a month ago so now ima have to go to a JC for a year to try and get some film and transfer out
Hey I’m a senior in high school and I’m getting offers from NAIA schools and one offered me a 52% scholarship. The tuition would still be another 10,000 at least a semester after FASFA. What do you think would be best trying the JUCO route still? Or going and seeing what it’s like?
Personally I played d3 football as a punter (and Dan Arnold was my teammate) and I agree it is tough for players to make it to the NFL. I am trying to make it to the NFL myself and this was even considered through my recruiting process. My thought was a 60 yard punt is the same thing whether D1 or D3. I had D2 and JUCO offers but decided not to because I thought the education at those schools would not benefit me well. D3 offers proper education and allows you to play football. Most likely though if you take the D3 route and want to make it to the NFL you probably have to take the longer route like CFL, XFL, or Arena Leagues. Unfortunately I cannot play arena because there is no punting. Despite it being much tougher, I cherish the memories made playing D3 and I do not regret going there as they took a chance on me when others did not. I am not bashing this video in any way as these are valid points, but D3 football is a great opportunity for many players out there. Even if you do not make it to the NFL, the education you get at these schools are tremendous and will set you up after your playing career is over.
Also I want to add that the D2 and JUCO schools that recruited me were not great for my education aside from what I major in. I am not trying to hate on them at all but through my recruiting process the coaches and even professors at these schools did not seem to have a great education.
Eric Rogers didn't make the NFL not because he wasn't good enough, but because he tore his Achilles. This dude legit tears up the CFL despite still having injury issues
Woah what if people go play college football to continue their academic and athletic endeavors without trying to make the league. I’m signed to a D1 school rn and legit none of the guys on the team are banking on making the NFL.
Typically, students attend a D3 school because of the coach, as evident in my son's commitment to a D3 school with a head coach who is a former NFL player. I anticipate that by my son's sophomore year, the coach will transition to a D1 school, taking top players with him. Similarly, many talented athletes choose HBCUs due to coaches like Prime and other NFL alumni, illustrating that exceptional talent will be discovered, as exemplified by Jerry Rice's success at an HBCU.
I play D3 at George Fox University and no one on my team really believes they can make it to the league. Everyone is here to have fun and enjoy our last chance to play football.
GF - You guys stirred up the NWC - I would ask this person this question does that kid going to MIT think he is going to MIT for a football shot at pro? orrrrr could it be something else. And does he think a Juco transfer would help him at lets say an MIT or a Johns Hopkins etc etc etc...
Look for a semi pro team bro. This doesn’t have to be your last chance to play football
@@takticrazor408 I agree man look at Kevin Tribble story semi pro football to NAIA football.
And there’s nothing wrong with that
I went D3 to D1 FCS think I wanted a free education... yeah it's a scam
It’s really self-explanatory. If anyone really thinks that going D3 could actually help you get to the NFL then they are stupid. Any D3 player should know that. It’s really about playing the game you love and getting a good education.
JAKE w099 only 8 players did it
@@ayeekayyjayy 15 are in league rn
I went to high school with a guy that went d3 and now plays for the raiders. His name is Nick Morrow
There’s been plenty of players from mount that have gone to the league and actually started for teams Pierre garçon being one
Tell that to Adam Theilen and Mankato State
Possibly the dumbest title for a video ever. 99% of the people playing division 3 football aren’t doing it to go to the NFL. They are doing in part because they love the game/they are doing it to help them get into a good school. The video literally starts off with the dude telling his viewers that his title makes no sense.
Yea it was click bait. And it's worse because now the video comes across as pointless. I don't think anyone goes to the D3 trying to get to the NFL. So it's not even close to a scam
Jackson Sparacio I think he was just trying to flex that he played college football
@@thomasmaddox1002 he played one year then quit. So it was weird flex
MikeBNumba6 yeah I know that’s why I was confused
@@MikeBNumba6 Amen.. let's consider MIT fields a program, believe me none of those kids think they have a shot at the NFL...there are 249 DIII programs of which 99% have zero chance, if it was a FB draw then why have 249? Because they guys want to get an education from those institutions, and play the game they love not play for a school that recruits them and hope for a good education. Sorry for the guy hating on Linfield, but I believe he would find if he DID complete his education there it would be beneficial later in his career.
I play D3 football and gotta say that everyone has specific circumstances for choosing what division they go to. Obviously everyone wants to make it to the NFL and that is also a dream of mine. However, I'm attending a prestigious college and only pay 5k a year at a 70k school. This is due to financial aid bc really good small schools have a good endowment that helps pay for students to attend. That degree will open up many doors for me and I still get to grind and try to achieve my dream. If you can play they will find you don't listen to statistics. Therefore I always have my back up plan. Playing college football period is a great thing and even though I dominated in high school I'm a 5'8 dtackle who was never going to get an opportunity no matter what to receive a D1 offer. Do what's best for your future bc its all about what you do with you OPPORTUNITY!!!
Facts bro !! I’m a 6’2 wideout , run a 4.57 and a complete set , i wasn’t given the chance to showcase my skills my last year of highschool no playing time , had some really bad coach issues I’m not making this up bro , but my only option is to start off at a d3 man you got to start off somewhere , i really love doingthis I’m trying to make history in my family it’s going to be a lot of doubters just stick to the plan get your film up and then send your film off to better schools . I’m coming bro and for all the doubters fuck em .
Jdd3 hows it going?
Keep going young man that’s the best thought process.
@@bg4807 I would bet a lot of money that that guy never finished college. Wasn't given a chance running a 4.5 at 6'2 in HS, had "coach issues" lol. He's either a liar (about his skillset) and/or he was the "issue", not his coaches. He didn't do shit at whatever D3 school he went to, if he even did go to college.
Who plays D3 with NFL hopes???
Guys like Garcon.
People with dreams probably, nothing more tho
Me
I go to the school that Garçon goes too
Look up Nick Morrow he starts for the raiders and weng to a D3 school
Don’t listen to this guy !!! If you’re good enough, the NFL will bring you in. I played D3 and was worked out by multiple nfl teams , was in camp too.
This guy makes a lot of sense.
Thnx bro appeciated ur comment 🤝🤝👍👍
you think you can go D3 and transfer to D1?
Only 1.4 percent of Division 1 players make to the NFL
I have been on division 3 visits and all the schools have told me that if I’m trying to go to the NFL, coming to their school isn’t the way to go.
I love how they were completely honest about it
If u don’t get a division 1 offer out of high school, then ur choices r d2, D3, naia, and juco. If u think that u r D1 talent, then d2 and D3 schools r not where u want to go. EVERYONE that plays d2 and D3 knows that they don’t wanna go pro or r not D1 talent but love football. So saying that D3 football is a scam is not true. And it’s pretty obvious that D3 football doesn’t get you to the nfl. And yes I agree with you that the juco route is better for trying to go pro
you do realize there has been quite a bit of NFL players that have came from D2 schools
The2kGod tell em
D2 has a lot of players that made it to the league. Some of the best receivers in the league are D2 products
This is false lol do you know that most of these D1 players figure out the grass isnt always greener at a D1 school and then transfer to a D2 school. Look at this list www.google.com/amp/s/www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2018-09-04/dii-football-players-2018-nfl-rosters%3famp
Not true at all. PLENTY of teams still look at D2 schools, im a redshirt freshman at APU a top 25 ranked D2 school in socal, we have NFL scouts at practice almost every week maybe our school is different cuz our coaches have a lot of connections, our special teams coach was on the rams staff for 13 yrs and our oline coach is in the HOF Jackie slater so maybe we just have connections but plenty of the teams we play also get a good amount of scouts
Fred Jackson wears a gold necklace with “D3” on it
I am a D3 athlete and I agree with the points you made in the video about going the juco route. However the point about D3 sports is that many of us are not trying to go pro and are just trying to extend our athletic careers. For most people, they end their athletic careers in high school. Being able to play in college is an experience in itself.
Someone get burnt chasing the NFL dream maybe? When you play in high school, people tell you you're probably not good enough to play in college. Then in college you're told that you'll never make it to the big school. Then if you make it to the big school, people will tell you you'll never make it to the NFL......don't give up on your dreams because someone on UA-cam tells you not to bother
Pierre Garçon and Cecil Shorts III from Mount Union made it into the NFL.
Facts
That’s D2
@@landendelormier7954 mount union is d3 despite their dominance of the division lol
Will Smith even though they lost to UMHB a week ago
Lots of guys from Wisc-Whitewater. Alex Tanney is 2nd on the Giants and went to Monmouth.
The NAIA is the similar story, especially i came from a NAIA school and we played D1-AA (FCS) to D3 schools. When I came out of high school was 6'3 245 lbs defensive end with a 4.6 40 speed. JUCO wasn't there on the table, but i never realized the JUCO route until my sophomore year in college. Originally I was verbally committed to Georgia Southern until they actually gave out the final scholarship which got me gone into a NAIA school. They coaches were former D1 assistant coaches and those who did coached in the NFL, CFL, Arena league, and XFL and they would tell you do you have what it takes to play on Sunday. We did have one player who actually made it to the NFL and played 5 years before hanging up his cleats. I did worked hard for regional combines, team workouts for arena and cfl, but that goal is always the NFL, but gotta start somewhere. I honestly believed if i had the JUCO option, things might go as different.
@jacksonboi8789: Anyone who was 6' 3" and weighed 245 pounds and ran a 4.6 40-yd. dash out of high school clearly had the tools to have been an All-American at whatever NAIA school they attended. Their failure to have made it in the NAIA (much less the NFL) was not due to not having "the JUCO option." It might have been that they didn't work hard enough to improve the way they needed to improve, or that they were lacking the mental capabilities to play at a very high level - or to pass college courses (which equals laziness). Let me ask you this: Your post is now four years old, meaning that you should have graduated from your NAIA school by now, with a valuable college degree (Business? Education? Medical?) that equipped you to obtain any number of high-paying jobs that would have set you up for the rest of your life. So, what are you doing now? Are you a college grad who is working at one of those high-paying jobs? Or, are you a college drop-out working at a McDonald's and telling anyone within earshot how great you were at football and how you would've been in the NFL right now if only you'd been informed about "the JUCO option"? Living in Dreamsville doesn't pay the bills, my friend.
If you're good enough for the League the League will find you, the key thing about getting to the League is that it doesn't matter what division you go between NAIA, D3, D2, D1-FCS, or D1-FBS if you don't develop you're not going to get drafted or signed by any NFL team, I played at the Cumberlands and we had a player a couple players get signed because they had developed to a high level of play good enough to be in the league, one of the player even broke Chris Johnson's 40 record, but because it wasn't at the big combine wasn't recognized, he got signed by the Texans. No level of football is a "Scam" if the coaches can properly develop your skills.
I went to UWW, and our team had at least 15-20 D1 or D2 transfers. Sometimes the reasons for attending D3 programs are very different.
i played at CW Post which was DII at the time and our team was loaded with DI and D1-AA washouts...we even had one guy who started for Missouri at WR as a freshman but got arrested for robbing his own coaches locker room and kicked off the team....LOL...
i paid 3.5k a semester to get an engineering degree and got a job offer before leaving. yall paying over 5 or 8k are getting scammed.
I feel like the divisions are starting to become more similar with the talent they produce! Also you should do a video on NAIA schools
If you go to any college with the NFL as the end game, you are already in trouble. Only like 300 players get drafted. Another 300 or so will get a free agent shot. There are 120 FBS football schools with roughly 20 seniors each. That is 2400 seniors and that doesn’t include FCS, D2, D3 and NAIA. The math isn’t in your favor from the day you show up on campus.
Tips from my experience going D3 and what I've learned about recruiting: You need to sell yourself to college coaches/Scouts. if you think that just because you work out with your team and your a starter for your varsity team and that you think the colleges will find you and will give you offers, sorry to break it to you but they wont find you. You need to fill out recruiting information at the college websites that your interested in with links to your highlights, you need to go to college scouting combines and college individual camps hosted by colleges to give yourself exposure, outside of weightlifting at your school you need to be in sporting workouts at sport gyms and go to position camps/training to work on your game, the sooner you start doing all of these things the better of a chance you will give yourself to get noticed by colleges. You have to sell yourself enough that colleges will give you a scholarship to play the sport for their school.
The reason many people go D3 versus D2 or D1 is because they have more free time to get a better education. Many D1 schools will limit what you can major in and for many players that is not their dream. In D3, you can chose whatever you want. That is what makes D3 special
That's not true. You can major an almost anything you want in D1, you just have to put the work in
Seth Breneman Some schools will limit you. It will also be almost unachievable if you are looking to do something in the medial field or something with a lot of labs
Any division u can choose whatever major lmao it's just most athletes in d1 aspire and go to NFL
Antbeast23 It will not be easy to get good grades.
@@donaldtrump9669 I think the point is that it IS possible, especially considering that every once in awhile the NCAA decides to crack down on the amount of time a student is permitted to practice, etc.
Many of these d3 guys were actually scouted and offered d1 scholarships but chose d3
Aye this is a crazy informative video and changed the way I thought about college scholarship wise even for track
Yeah, this video is really for all athletes so I'm glad this was able to help you as well James! Hope you're having a blessed day!!!
1trackswanson thanks for advice bro
Shout out to Mary-Hardin Baylor, D-3 Champs, 2018
They have always been a great team!
Go UMHB, go Cru!
My friend has been contacted by them for football is it worth it?
@@qwayonxbox1868 yes Belton is awesome
Maybe a D3 player can play with the AAFL, CFL, AFL, XFL, China Football League But regardless you need to have enough skills..
Wait, there's a china football league
XFL is hardcore haha!
henryjw15 no it’s the Canadian football league cfl is the Canadian football league
If you making to them league your still winning 😊
Who else though this dude was a star at a d1 school
Cam Alan if you actually watched his videos then you probably already knew since he’s said it multiple times
No, not at all.
No u fucking lob
Cam Alan He cool but he ain’t Flemlo Raps lol
This dude is a lame. He wouldn’t last on the gridiron. I’ve heard his stories and I see the swag. I’ll tell you it doesn’t translate to the field
I feel you I played at Belhaven with Tremaine Brock and he made it pro and is still in the league now 8 years later but literally no one else from our conference has made an NFL team since he did 8 years ago!!!
I played with Tremaine at MGCCC, won a Natty with him... We always knew he was gonna make to the pros though I had my doubts when he left Minnesota.
There have been players that have gotten signed to NFL teams. But not have made the active roster.
Blacklight Productions yeah he was a complete freak!! A man amongst boys it was crazy how he dominated every game!!!!!
You would be incorrect. Blake Jackson from the Cru is with the Browns and Haston Adams from the Cru is with The Cardinals - Both from ASC
And he only played there for a year and Belhaven wasn't even D3 at that point.
D3 schools are not allowed to give athletic scholarships and they do not have to ability to redshirt players, only medical shirt. If you choose D3 you better know what you want to go to college for because you'll most likely get into debt as soon as you start going to school there and regardless if you play or not, you'll be using your eligibility as soon as you enter training camp going into your first season. There is 2 ways of getting around the eligibility part, you can not to participate in practice to retain your 1st year of eligibility, or walk on to the team later on that year or later. But like I said you aren't on athletic scholarship so you will still be getting into debt regardless.
Jake Elder they do have athletic scholarships
I played 2 seasons of D3 football. Trust me, they dont.
@@brayanpineda7547 no athletic scholarships, but most D3 programs give you good grants and academic scholarships.
D3 schools should be cheaper than most public schools because they provide more aid. So even if you go into debt, it shouldn't be that much.
D2 schools do the same thing. They give you partial academic scholarships.
D1 schools do to. I know guys that played for Ohio state that still had debt. It wasn't much, but they still had some
MikeBNumba6 oh thought they did because many high school football players post pictures on Twitter about being offered to a certain school and sometimes their d3
@@brayanpineda7547 maybe those guys were happy to be selected to a college.
Not that they thought they would go to the NFL by going d3
No one goes to a D3 school to play in the NFL lmao
No one? So Garcon marpett etc I guess didn't play in the nfl.
@@Antbeast23 That's not what he means. Garcon and Ali Marpet
went to Division III to extend their football playing lives, they just happened to be good enough to make a NFL roster. If you intend on making the NFL, you simply can't expect to make it from Division III, you go to Division III to keep playing.
@@Antbeast23 That there are a few players who do doesn't negate the point that you don't go D3 honestly believing it's a route to the NFL.
@@de132 You hit the nail on the head. No one EXPECTS to play D3 ball and play in the NFL. You'll have the rare guy every couple or so years that absolutely dominates and gets drafted. But its so uncommon...
In Wisconsin the green bay packers usually pick up
Players from like whitewater and other d3 teams in Wisconsin and put em on there practice team
More accurately they invite them to rookie tryout camps but actually place very few on the practice squad
Bill Schoeder all madden
So i am going to D3 football and i can’t go D2 or D1 because of grades but I’m D2 talent so is there an anyway i can make it even if i have to transfer
I played for an D1-AA(FCS) school. you're best bet is to go the juco route it'll help you get your grades up and you might even be able to get some D1-FBS offers. Who knows you may just be a late bloomer.
Seems like not many know, but Ali Marpet out of Hobart College, a D3 in NY, was drafted in the 2nd round.
he just won the superbowl
The first day of practice this year our coach said it was impossible for any of us to go pro
Ok so I'm not saying it's impossible because you can do anything with Christ inside of you, but it is extremely hard! Stay motivated and keep on grinding Badger!
Haha fuck that
Better tell your coach to believe
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you so much for this information, I definitely want to play football, but I'm a junior in high school. It is nice too know that I have options like this though, for after high school. Would've never known. Thank you so much Markus!!!
Everything he told you is WRONG! Do not listen to him.IT IS NO SCAM. his diatribe is the scam.
I played football at a D3 in California (same as Eric Rodgers, the guy he mentioned in the video) and 4 of my teammates got a shot on the LA rams and one guy made it to the practice squad for a couple practices. And I have an old teammate who is still currently at this school and will most likely get an NFL shot to play CB in 2020.
If you are good and your team has some connections, It’s possible man.
I agree with everything this man said about the Juco route tho. 100% spot on.
And a lot of people are talking crap saying “who goes to a D3 with hopes of playing in the league” i just wanna say not everyone gets the same exposure out of Highschool and even going the JUCO route you can get overlooked and get lost in the shuffle man. I guess I’m just taking it personal cuz that was me lol but i also had a handful of teammates with the same hopes and dreams that all went JUCO. Just my take on it
I was an engineering major and I started taking engineering lower divs freshman year and upper divs sophomore year so that's something I wouldn't have experienced if I went to junior college (no football in my story though). That's also how I knew before it was too late that I was not meant to be an engineer, but I needed to suffer through the upper divs first lol
A guy from my town played division 3 football here and ended up getting signed by the Raiders. His names Nicholas Morrow
I’m going to play division 3, and I’d obviously love to make it to the nfl and if I can I will. But going d3 is helping me get accepted to a really great school even tho my grades in high school were literally ass. Now I get to attend a great school and get to play football longer than most athletes
Love your channel so much!!!!!
I mean they give the football players and other people extra grants and empty academic scholarships in a lot of cases, at least in my area
Let me preface this by saying I went Juco to d3 - I played two years at Cal Lu, with Eric Rogers, the WR highlighted in the video. Most d3 schools are small, private schools - meaning the tuition will be expensive from the jump, because of the type of university it is. Now, no one goes d3 because they are planning to go to the league. For starters, if you were that good to have the NFL in your future, you’d be going to a Power 5 school. But scouts aren’t looking at you, and you just want to play football. Thus, you go
d3 because you want to play football and get your education. You are paying for your education and football is a bonus. Now, some guys DO make it to the league from d3, but those guys developed late or had extenuating circumstances and weren’t expected to go big time out of high school - which is why they ended up d3 in the first place. Believe me, they didn’t go d3 because they viewed it is a path to the league, much less a shortcut there. To be totally honest, this video comes across as a guy who couldn’t cut it at a d3 school and is bitter. I’m not saying d3 is for everyone, but believe me, we all know what we are getting into. If you don’t, it’s on you. This video is misleading, and is really a trash video. Do better, man!
Great video! Thanks, this video helped me a lot. I’m getting a lot of looks from colleges currently and I’m trying to get advice on what I should do.
Can you maybe do a video on how to play football in the Us on a college level as an international player or like how to get recognized by college coaches .
I think that would be very interesting.
Nice video !
I’m glad you said something I was actually thinking that d3 was my best option and now my eyes are open, thank you I appreciate this
Glad this video was able to help!!! Juco is the best way to go out of high school if you don't have any scholarships! Stay blessed Victor and have a great day!!!
As long u play football somewhere man.
$42,000 a year for school is riduclous
Division 3 sports in general is a scam, not just football. I was offered the highest academic scholarship at a d3 school a few hours away from me for baseball, and I would still be paying $35,000 a year. Not only is it extremely expensive, you’d have a hard time transferring credits if you wanted to leave. I ended up committing to a juco out of state. Not only will I be saving TONS of money, but my school sends a lot of guys to d1 schools since we have so many connections. Sounds like a great idea to me!
I figured this out my sophomore year. I dropped out. They wanted the demands of a D1 scholarship but didn’t want to help. I asked my coach about any help and he’s looked me in my eye and said there was nothing. It’s not worth it. I’ll tell any parents that it’s a waste of time
hate to break it to you but some D3 schools can give you better financial aid package than D2 and NAIA schools. I get what you’re trying to say about JuCos but at the end of the day there aren’t too many good junior colleges with stable football programs and a good ability to help you reach a high level
Dang I didn’t know you went to Linfield. The campus is 30 minutes away from me!
JuCo is best route. All you have to do is get and maintain a high GPA and train. GPA will get you into any D-1 school and at that point you just assess your talent for the position of need for the team.
What if my juco doesn’t have a football team?
D3 students do make the NFL, just not starting and very few seasons. The Wisconsin D3 schools are very affordable! Whitewater, Lacrosse, and River Falls (Kansas City Chiefs used to have their summer training on this campus, the seats in some of the classrooms are extra wide to accommodate the football players) have all had students make it to the NFL (practice teams, 3rd string QBs).
I’m going d3 with nfl hopes. Only reason why I’m hopeful for the nfl is Bc I have size. I’m 6’4 300 pound gaurd that runs a 5.0. I’ve pancaked multiple d1 commits but my highschool is small with 0 exposure
this applies to basketball as well, if you wan't to get to D1 jr. college is the route. I think as an athlete in high school there is a bad rep about jr. college, people tend to think it's a dead end. Reality is, it's the best possible route for non ranked athletes. good post!
Dang, most on the dudes on the football team at my school got D3 offers and most committed to Mount Union
There's
Ali Marpet D3
Pierre Garcon D3
Joe Callahan D3
Cecil Shorts D3
Alex Tanney D3
Matt Gono D3
Derek Carrier D3
Nicholas Morrow D3
Dan Aebold D3
Tremaine Brock D3
Brandon Zylstra D3
Michael Joeseph D3
Jeremy Vujnovich D3
Jack Kumerow D3
All D3 players that made an NFL roster in 2018. When you put your mind to it anything's possible. Seems like you just gave up.
Point of the matter, if you’re a D3 school, you’ve gotta grind it to the point where you don’t recognize yourself 4 hrs later. You’ve gotta have a will made of steel, and a lot of money to not only support your schooling, but also you’re training and fueling the body you’re forging.
I am sorry for your experience at Linfield, sounds like a sad situation but if you didn't know about the 2 year JC route then I have to ask... how? I am a DIII fan because there are 249 teams in DIII - Your point kind of went mute and respectfully here is why. A good number of students are at the school for the education, and the sport is on the side. Sure if your willing to go to UMU, UMHB (Had two kids grad from there), UW whitewater etc etc.. it would be great to be part of the schools programs. But I am afraid you miss this point..there are 249 Football programs in DIII...Not all of these guys are looking for a UMU, UMHB, UW-W or top tier DIII program experience, it is the education that the Ranked 25th team Wabash or the ranked 100th team offers. There are so many programs out there that will NEVER break out beyond conference play, take the SCIAC conference as a perfect example, the champion will win their conference and be a cupcake game in the first round of playoffs to whoever draws them. If this were a football mill league then there would be what, only top 10, maybe 15 who would even field a program? But there are 249, Johns Hopkins this season had their first ever deep run into the playoff bracket - How many years have they been a football program? MIT fields a program...definitely not a football mill...St. Johns for crying out loud has had football near the turn of the century and still chugging along with some of the most rabid fans (In a good way) but sadly having a hit or miss playoff run. These guys (at least the UMHB guys I know) are fully aware that it is the education first and the sport is great to be part of, and no illusion of a NFL run but they want en education from that institution, not a JC. Joe Callahan out of Wesley I think is still with Tampa Bay after being released from the Packers. Blake Jackson from the Cru was called up to the Browns - Sure there are outliers there, but that is the same with DI players as well, not all DI players make it beyond their senior year.
I don’t fully agree with you because you can go to college as a D3 athlete, and work your way up, just being able to make it on a D3 team and then get offers from D1 colleges could lead you to the NFL.
Yeah but nowadays most junior college coaches would take a D1 bounce back then the kid straight out of high school because he is more developed and more skilled rather than help the high school player get developed and plus a lot of junior colleges coaches kick players off the team to make room for certain players they want
D3 at any sport doesn't offer athletic scholarships but the primary reason to go attend those schools are for education. For baseball specifically, no D1 school offers full baseball scholarships exception of Army, Navy, and Air Force academy. Coaches choose percentage scholarships (from 10%-80%). To go back to football, an NFL bound player is at least recruited to a mid-major program (Mountain West, Sun Belt, C USA, MAC, American Athletic conference)where as the lower grade athletes play in the FCS. You have a lot of transfers from power D1 schools that will go to FCS schools to play right away. A specialty position like a kicker, punter, long snapper can come from any division football program, it comes down to if their skills can adapt to the pro level.
You have CFL, Arena football, and the upcoming XFL if you want to play pro ball
The AAF starts in Feb 2019. The XFL will be in 2020
Army Navy and Air Force don't even offer any athletic scholarships. They're free so long as you don't drop out early. You have to serve in the military if you go.
@@davidb5219 The three military academies I mention pay 100% of their schooling. Army, Navy, and Air Force still recruit student athletes to play for their programs.
I was making a point that not all programs that field a sport covers 100% of scholarship
But, of course, if you're a great baseball player, stand back and be amazed at how much OTHER financial aid a school will be able to come up with to cover your costs.
@@AJHart-eg1ys Yeah but an average scholarship at D 1 baseball team covers 40%. Financial aid does a lot but unless a 1st rounder commits to power 5 school when the MLB will pay him a million dollar signing bonus, the bluechip will be lured in.
You have a lot of D1 players dropping out in playing JUCO ball if they're draft ready
The only problem with going the juco route is that your options are very limited.. there are plenty of states that don’t offer a football program for any of their junior colleges and some people don’t like going very far away from home so that’s why I believe some people go the D3 route
Ok so rewatching this, you’re stating that it’s impossible to get drafted at D3. You can try out for teams or become an un drafted free agent
I must say that I went D3 a Looooong time ago when D3 was not much more expensive than a JUCO school. I had no dreams of going pro. I just wanted to play again. HOWEVER, our star RB, Dino Hall, was drafted by the Giants, was cut & picked up by the Cleveland Browns & played 5yrs. I actually got to see him play & score a TD. BUT.... I do know what you are saying. My little brother was an animal LB in HS. Because he was undersized, he got no offers except from Hudson Valley. The coach made him all kinds of promises so he went. First day of practice he found out this was in a football factory! The guy had like 20 LBs all vying for a few spots. My brother got discouraged & quit after 1 yr. A similar thing happened to my nephew who was a promising left handed pitcher. He got promised all sorts of things by a coach in a school in PA, but once he got there, he found the same situation; a Baseball factory. He got dumped in the bull pen & ignored so he too called it quits after 1 year. People say D1 coaches use players, but truth is, it's the smaller schools you really have to watch out for!
Well the thing is like the closest juco to me is 2.5 hours and I can't stay on campus do I have to go d3
Joe Zeller a lot of players on my team are roommates can make it cheaper
Y’all do realize there is a lot of D3 players in the NFL right??
Everyone names the same handful.That proves the rule more than the few exceptions disprove it.
@Rowdy Jr. Julian Edelman played QB at Kent state which is a d1 FBS school meaning he was at the highest level. Know your facts
@Rowdy Jr. Julian Edelman and Dri Archer both played at the same D1 school. Know your facts before saying that
@Rowdy Jr. its ok we make mistakes but next time make sure your right before you comment bc people might get really mad. You all good though
Rowdy Jr. 😂
I played at a NAIA HBCU and I played with 3 guys that made to it the league and another one that played in the CFL. We played NAIA, D2, and FCS schools. But yeah, its definitely harder to make it when youre not coming from the FBS. Most athletes need to realize, the NFL is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to make.
Hey I ain’t saying this to show off at all believe me. But I got a NAIA offer which is similar to D2 they offered me 95% scholarship. So don’t knock off a NAIA offer
Man deadass it’s not only talent. If you play for a small high school, if you play out of position for your body size. If you are a graduating senior who is going D3 school see if you can keep up and exceed the competition that’s there. If you can you could transfer. I know many D3 athletes who know they could go D1 if they had the size. Size matters a ton to these schools
Ali Marpret was a lineman from Hobart who plays for Tampa Bay
Where was this video last year just spent my freshman year in D3
Dang Bro I feel you. This video came just in time for me. I am a senior trying to make a decision. I hope it gets better for you keep grinding.
Xzavier Bartlett yea I should be starting next year so just got to ball out and transfer next year
@@pjknows_ Nice stay grinding and be the hardest worker on your team at all times.
Currently committed to a D2 school
However, as an athlete track runner at a Division-3 school. Your chances on making the NFL are very slim. You have other options like the (CFL) Canadian Football League, (AFL) Arena Football League, or even Semi Pro. Which isn't the NFL obviously. CFL contracts are between 40,000-210,000 which isn't a horrible salary with a league growing. Plus some NFL scouts will come through practices, especially Midwest teams like Green Bay Packers or Cleveland Browns. Is it worth the investment? Depends on academic scholarship, FASFA, etc.
Glad I came across this video. I really wanted to make a video about the same thing to warn current seniors about the dangers of of going D3. One of the biggest reasons I would advise guys to skip D3 is because since there are no scholarships, literally anyone can make the team. When I first arrived at my D3 team there was 170 people on the team. All kids had to do was reach out to a coach and said they wanted to play and they would receive a offer letter. Guys that played JV all through high school even got letters. D3 football is just essentially for rich kids who aren’t good enough for the next level but still want to play in college. Another sucky thing is that we spent about the same amount of time on football activities as guys at D1 programs, without the scholarship.
What about div 2 ?
What this guy isn't stating is that these colleges will come up with "academic" scholarships to cover your share of the tuition at d3 colleges. The Garcon's of the world were also d1 caliber but likely didn't have the grades to play.
First two years is basically relearning the same stuff you learned in highschool 😒
The guy in this video is right. If you miss out on D 1 or 1AA you go to a Junior College. At least then if you are stuck paying your own way it is less expensive like he said.
So you don't go broke chasing your dream in JUCO. And as far as classes for most College Freshmen the classes in Junior College and Regular College are basically the same.
The KEY on Academics going to JUCO route is to check to make sure all of your classes are ACCREDITED... that basically means those classes will COUNT if you transfer.
And as a JUCO... your GOAL is to Transfer, right? You need your grades to go with you to be eligible to play. And do you really want to take THE SAME CLASS AGAIN at your next school? No.
SO be sure your classes are ACCREDITED. Even if you don't make it in Football... at least those classes will not be WASTE of your TIME.
But also... be realistic. If you 40 time is not NFL material. If you are TINY. Sure you CAN get a little quicker and stronger. But the NFL is about the measurables more than the intangibles.
If you aren't big or fast enough you might be better off going to the BEST SCHOOL your football can get you into doing something you want to do AFTER Football.
If you end up in D3 then NFL is next to impossible unless you flat out dominate D3, even then it’s unlikely you’ll get drafted earlier than the 5th round. Hell it’s hard to go FCS to NFL, let alone D3.
Ali Marpet out of Hobart College (D3) was drafted in the 2nd round.
There’s a UA-camr that goes to Linfield that does day in the life type videos he plays Qb his channel is adventure athlete
Wish there was a channel like this when I was in high school, well described knowledge
Fun fact: there are D3 colleges with a host of D1 talent athletes that couldn't get D1 offers, because they were shafted by genetics for being one or two inches too short or grades ect.
I played against a lot of different D1 commit D-linemen in high school that I absolutely overpowered and man handled for most of the game. What was the difference between me and them? They were genetic freaks standing at 6'5"-6'6" at 300 pounds and I was 6'2" at 260 lbs. Yet I was still stronger and faster lmao..
Another difference between them and I? I had the fiery will and passion to play the game that far exceeded their own and I was a lot meaner than them. They were just giant hitting dummies.
Overall: Great video and I completely agree with you. I made the mistake of taking a D3 offer and I fucking hated it. I should have taken the junior college route for sure.
So I’m a DB I’m 6’0 245 and I run a 4.46 but it’s no college looking at me I been out of high school for 2 years now and still can’t find a home to play football at what should I do ?
Lose like 20 pounds
It's absolutely amazing how many people here are citing Pierre Garcon having played D3 as proof that there must be "a lot of D3 players in the NFL."
Here's a hint people: If everyone is naming the same few exceptions, that pretty much proves the rule.
It's almost not worth trying to educate some people.
So I was wondering if you could help. I’m going to this college for my major but they are d3 and instead of football obviously cause I’m a girl I’m considering playing volleyball. I am not hoping to go pro in anything cause I don’t even think you can but I still might want to play. How much of a difference would you say d3 sports are from high school level. If the competition that much harder? How skilled would you need to be to play in d3 cause I feel like I am pretty skilled in my sport but Im still trying to figure out if that’s good enough to play in college.....
It depends on the school's volleyball team. I would say 75-80% of D3 schools are just a small step above high school. You're just going up against older competition. But just check and see where your school's volleyball program ranks nationally. But regardless, I would join the team! Worst case scenario, the competition will be tough but it will make you a better player! Hope this helps Aubree, stay blessed.
Sharpe Sports thank you!!
12. That's how many people are in the NFL this year that played in Division III. Out of the 2,016 spots on a NFL roster, that's a total of .06% of the NFL. Less than a tenth of a percent of the league is from Division III. In comparison, 46 different NCAA Division I schools have more active NFL players than the entirety of Division III. Everyone playing Division III should already know this.
The Division III players in the NFL are: Jeremy Vujnovich (ARI), Matt Gono (ATL), Michael Joseph (CHI, practice squad), Tramaine Brock (DEN), Jake Kumerow (GB), Brandon Zylstra (MIN), Dan Arnold (NO), Alex Tanney (NYG), Derek Carrier (OAK), Nicholas Morrow (OAK), Pierre Garçon (SF), Ali Marpet (TB)
The D3 school i was gonna go to had a handful of ppl go to the NFL
Which school?
I think we might have been both playing D3 ball at the same time, my freshman season was in 2014 and I was at Whitworth University. The only reasons why I went there was because it's the only school I got accepted to and it was my best chance to play college football. I played there for 2 seasons (3 semesters) geting into nearly 14k in debt and transferred back to my local cc and got my associates. For me I gave up football when I transferred due to losing the love of the game during my last season, I was able to pay the three quarters I was at cc on my own and didnt get into any more school debt while I was there. I guess my cc had a football team but with me using two years of eligibility, going back to school in the spring, and the school not having any links to a football team on their website or contact information I thought it was a waste of time. I paid off all my debt 2 months ago and was fortunate to have not stayed at the school i was at and gotten into more debt.
I wasted my first 2 years and now I’m transferring to Juco as a bounce back💯
Depends on the position. If your a kicker it doesn't really matter which division your in
Ask Mount Union if D3 football is a scam. They've sent 14 players/coaches onto the NFL, notably Cecil Shorts III and Pierre Garcon (yeah, that guy). They've won countless Stagg Bowls and are the best D3 football program in the country. If you can play, the NFL will find you as one commenter said
If there is one position at one school that I think might be a d3 player's best path, it's WR at Mount Union. After Garcon and Shorts, Jasper Collins was signed as an undrafted, and Roman Namdar and Jared Ruth worked out for a few teams, and Justin Hill was on his way for at least the same until COVID screwed up everything. With the number of coaches to come out of the program along with its sustained level of success, scouts do make it a point to visit. A prospect still has to dominate at the d3 level to be considered, but at Mount or some of the other marquee programs there are usually opportunities to do just that.
So figured I'd throw this comment down here, I was a guy who kinda coasted on natural size and athleticism in High School, I was 6'3 350ish, I took a few years off after high school since I was too down on myself to find any real direction, . Now I am starting school, but I picked a branch campus of a major D1 school, my plan is to spend the 2 years at that branch campus grinding (they have amazing facilities for training), then I want to try to walk on once I start at the main campus. I also lost a bunch of weight, I am down to 275 and have corrected my bad eating habits.
Does anyone have any tips to make it a feasible plan?
I am also not sure if it is a better idea to focus on packing on muscle and going up to around 300 again and play interior defensive lineman, or try to cut another 20-30 pounds and try my hand at linebacker or tight end.
So Morgaan, firstly I would find out if you truly have passion for the sport. From your comment it sounds like you haven't ever really sacrificed for football (extra practices, watching tape, eating right, etc.) before you try and keep on playing football just because it's all you've done, I would write down what your WHY is. Why do you play/love football. Then in whatever you write down will be your answer to your question! Stay blessed and stay focused!!!
@@SharpeSports Well I do love the game, I watch film for fun often, I'm on the Atkins diet now so I'm eating healthier than ever. I do love to play and practice, I just tend to get in my own head a lot. For example I never filled out the paper saying "Hey I want college offers" even though I knew D2 schools were interested. I also suffered from what you went through where I never had a coach to tell me, "Hey you can do it." I also have a problem in keeping good consistent lifting/conditioning habits due to me wanting instant progress, and clinical depression, so any workout tips? or workouts programs you recommend?
Thanks for responding, I do plan to stick around the channel and I'll be sure to update you on any progress!
Morgaan Mcsg good luck man you can do it just work hard and keep focused on what’s important in your development as a football player and person
@@morgaanmcsg9873 like he said you better truly find out if you love it. Everybody says that but when you get to college and realize that drastic difference in commitment level from high school to college. I played d3 at 2 different schools. Everybody says they love it but like 15 kids would quit during training camp because they realize how much more work if is. Not trying to scare you but you need to really find out how bad you want to play and I would spend your time trying to one improve your consistency in diet and training. This isn't high school if you don't train seriously especially as a linemen it's going to be rough.
Thats crazy cuz linfield offered me too!!! The NFL really only look at D1 and D2 schools, like i go to a D2 and we have NFL scouts at coming to practice almost every week
what school is that?
@@timothyoneill3350 Whats linfield or where I’m at now? I was at APU which was the only D2 in Cali but cause of covid they defunded the program after losing so much money just a month ago so now ima have to go to a JC for a year to try and get some film and transfer out
Can you make some recruiting guide videos? Those would be neat !!
Hey I’m a senior in high school and I’m getting offers from NAIA schools and one offered me a 52% scholarship. The tuition would still be another 10,000 at least a semester after FASFA. What do you think would be best trying the JUCO route still? Or going and seeing what it’s like?
I hope you did juco. lol
You can make it from anywhere if you have the work ethic , skills , and know how to market yourself
Unfortunately in New Hampshire, there isn’t a single Community College with Football as an option.... wtf
Personally I played d3 football as a punter (and Dan Arnold was my teammate) and I agree it is tough for players to make it to the NFL. I am trying to make it to the NFL myself and this was even considered through my recruiting process. My thought was a 60 yard punt is the same thing whether D1 or D3. I had D2 and JUCO offers but decided not to because I thought the education at those schools would not benefit me well. D3 offers proper education and allows you to play football. Most likely though if you take the D3 route and want to make it to the NFL you probably have to take the longer route like CFL, XFL, or Arena Leagues. Unfortunately I cannot play arena because there is no punting. Despite it being much tougher, I cherish the memories made playing D3 and I do not regret going there as they took a chance on me when others did not. I am not bashing this video in any way as these are valid points, but D3 football is a great opportunity for many players out there. Even if you do not make it to the NFL, the education you get at these schools are tremendous and will set you up after your playing career is over.
Also I want to add that the D2 and JUCO schools that recruited me were not great for my education aside from what I major in. I am not trying to hate on them at all but through my recruiting process the coaches and even professors at these schools did not seem to have a great education.
Eric Rogers didn't make the NFL not because he wasn't good enough, but because he tore his Achilles. This dude legit tears up the CFL despite still having injury issues
Woah what if people go play college football to continue their academic and athletic endeavors without trying to make the league. I’m signed to a D1 school rn and legit none of the guys on the team are banking on making the NFL.
Go to UW whitewater, or mount union they have NFL scouts at there schools every year checking players out!
Typically, students attend a D3 school because of the coach, as evident in my son's commitment to a D3 school with a head coach who is a former NFL player. I anticipate that by my son's sophomore year, the coach will transition to a D1 school, taking top players with him. Similarly, many talented athletes choose HBCUs due to coaches like Prime and other NFL alumni, illustrating that exceptional talent will be discovered, as exemplified by Jerry Rice's success at an HBCU.
Josh Allen went to Reedley community college then got an offer from Wyoming