What really helped Austin is that by having Vince as a heel is that he could come out week after week with his injured neck & still work because no one expected Vince to get into the ring. So Austin could heal up, but keep his momentum going.
Nope. Austin couldn't work in the fall of 97. Vince didn't become a heel until 98 and the real reason Mr. Mcmahon became such a prevalent character is because they couldn't find an opponent for Austin to go up against. The WWF was very limited in top main event level talent once Austin won the belt.
I liked the Chicago Street Fight. It was a hit and miss Mania overall, but I'd say far from the worse. And to comment on what Dave says here, the Submission match is the greatest Wrestlemania match of all time IMO. There are a few that would come near it, but considering everything I think it is the best match. The work Bret did to push Austin to the moon was the stuff of legends and a highlight of his career. On the other hand HBK's BS politics was probably the lowest moment of his career.
@@borednow5838 The irony is that Bret helping to push Austin is what ultimately did him in. Vince wouldn't have let Bret go if he didn't have a star of the magnitude of Austin.
@@blueblur2329 That's a different way to look at it. Austin was on the rise late 97 no doubt. But I still don't think that factored in their decision to let Bret go. All things considered they still would have preferred to have kept Bret at the time I think.
@@borednow5838 Well Bret said he was willing to renegotiate his deal to stay and made it clear to Vince he didn't want to leave. Vince then told Bret if he stayed they were practically going to turn him into a high class jobber. So I don't think they wanted to keep Bret at all. I think by that time they looked at him like he was more trouble than he's worth plus they knew WCW wasn't going to know how to use him(which they were right) so he wouldn't be able to hurt them when he left. Keep in mind that the only reason they gave him the contract to Bret in 96 is because they were desperate. Vince was worried Bret was gonna leave and he didn't see any other superstar on the roster who would be able to draw better than Bret. By 97 that's completely different as they got a guy in Austin who is about to explode. Not to mention they got a guy in Shawn Michael who could play the heel role better than Bret because he's easier to dislike and more willing to do the edgy stuff Bret's not comfortable with. Bret looks at it like the company had to make a decision between him and Shawn but the way I see it is if they don't have Austin they are not letting Bret go as they can't afford to.
If not for the WWE getting their head out of their ass and starting to listen to fans and putting Austin over..and just dumb luck...WWE would be out of business
Probably not considering everybody that knows Vince whether they like him or not all agree that he was never gonna get put out of business. They say he was too smart for that.
@@blueblur2329 I remember hearing a story from Kevin Nash where it’s him, Bischoff, Hogan, and a couple other guys on a plane in 97, and Bischoff makes the remark “I’m gonna put Vince out of business” and I can’t remember whether it was Hogan or Nash who instantly replied “no you won’t, you don’t know that man”. Even if WCW won the war and was the top wrestling company in the U.S. today, I still believe the WWF would still be around in some form or another.
@Alex Morgan Can you elaborate on that a little bit? I promise I’m not trying to be a smartass, I just remember the days back in the mid 90s when WWF was at such a low point that they had to run shows in high school gymnasiums sometimes, and they were able to survive that. I’ve just always wondered if during the time when WCW was winning the war, how close was Vince McMahon to being completely broke?
If I had a Wrestling Observer subscription price for everytime I've heard WWE is dead, about to die, would have dead, I would be richer than Shad Khan.
All these guys should have quit from Foley, Shamrock, Lafon and Furnace, Owen, Neidhart, British Bulldog, etc...Can you imagine all these guys jumping ship to WCW? You have a second invasion.
What really helped Austin is that by having Vince as a heel is that he could come out week after week with his injured neck & still work because no one expected Vince to get into the ring. So Austin could heal up, but keep his momentum going.
Nope. Austin couldn't work in the fall of 97. Vince didn't become a heel until 98 and the real reason Mr. Mcmahon became such a prevalent character is because they couldn't find an opponent for Austin to go up against. The WWF was very limited in top main event level talent once Austin won the belt.
Yes but that was after mania in 97
Amazing match Bret vs Austin.
I thought the same when he kick out of the leg drop
More importantly Sid pooped himself 😂😂😂
One of the worst Manias ever with one of the greatest matches ever. Austin/Bret was the only thing worth watching on this horrible show.
That match was the lucky one in 13
I liked the Chicago Street Fight. It was a hit and miss Mania overall, but I'd say far from the worse. And to comment on what Dave says here, the Submission match is the greatest Wrestlemania match of all time IMO. There are a few that would come near it, but considering everything I think it is the best match. The work Bret did to push Austin to the moon was the stuff of legends and a highlight of his career. On the other hand HBK's BS politics was probably the lowest moment of his career.
@@borednow5838 The irony is that Bret helping to push Austin is what ultimately did him in. Vince wouldn't have let Bret go if he didn't have a star of the magnitude of Austin.
@@blueblur2329 That's a different way to look at it. Austin was on the rise late 97 no doubt. But I still don't think that factored in their decision to let Bret go. All things considered they still would have preferred to have kept Bret at the time I think.
@@borednow5838 Well Bret said he was willing to renegotiate his deal to stay and made it clear to Vince he didn't want to leave. Vince then told Bret if he stayed they were practically going to turn him into a high class jobber. So I don't think they wanted to keep Bret at all. I think by that time they looked at him like he was more trouble than he's worth plus they knew WCW wasn't going to know how to use him(which they were right) so he wouldn't be able to hurt them when he left.
Keep in mind that the only reason they gave him the contract to Bret in 96 is because they were desperate. Vince was worried Bret was gonna leave and he didn't see any other superstar on the roster who would be able to draw better than Bret. By 97 that's completely different as they got a guy in Austin who is about to explode. Not to mention they got a guy in Shawn Michael who could play the heel role better than Bret because he's easier to dislike and more willing to do the edgy stuff Bret's not comfortable with. Bret looks at it like the company had to make a decision between him and Shawn but the way I see it is if they don't have Austin they are not letting Bret go as they can't afford to.
Shawn had the knee injury.... Lmao.
He had a smile injury
WCW Uncensored '97 was better than this WrestleMania.
Wcw in 96 and 97 was better than anything wwf did until 98
@@andrewisjesus I beg to differ. By mid 97 the NWO was starting to wear thin.
Should have been titles " talks about Montreal screwjob ".
Titled.
If not for the WWE getting their head out of their ass and starting to listen to fans and putting Austin over..and just dumb luck...WWE would be out of business
Probably not considering everybody that knows Vince whether they like him or not all agree that he was never gonna get put out of business. They say he was too smart for that.
@@blueblur2329 I remember hearing a story from Kevin Nash where it’s him, Bischoff, Hogan, and a couple other guys on a plane in 97, and Bischoff makes the remark “I’m gonna put Vince out of business” and I can’t remember whether it was Hogan or Nash who instantly replied “no you won’t, you don’t know that man”. Even if WCW won the war and was the top wrestling company in the U.S. today, I still believe the WWF would still be around in some form or another.
@Alex Morgan Can you elaborate on that a little bit? I promise I’m not trying to be a smartass, I just remember the days back in the mid 90s when WWF was at such a low point that they had to run shows in high school gymnasiums sometimes, and they were able to survive that. I’ve just always wondered if during the time when WCW was winning the war, how close was Vince McMahon to being completely broke?
If I had a Wrestling Observer subscription price for everytime I've heard WWE is dead, about to die, would have dead, I would be richer than Shad Khan.
So they spend the whole time talking about Montreal? Terrible.
Dave says they can't do blood but Brock Lesnar always manages to end up bleeding lol
+88smjls Scripted blood is what they can't do.
Edward Underhill Brock vs Randy was scripted blood. They just didn't use a blade
GREATEST WM MATCH OF ALL TIME, UNDERTAKER, VS HBK WM25. FACT
Nah, it's Hart V Austin.
nah
@@RealFuckingReviews no taker vs hbk the fuck
All these guys should have quit from Foley, Shamrock, Lafon and Furnace, Owen, Neidhart, British Bulldog, etc...Can you imagine all these guys jumping ship to WCW? You have a second invasion.
As bad as HBK got politics wise in 96/97 Hogan/Nash/Bischoff were 10x worse than Shawn