Scream | Anatomy of a Franchise

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  • Опубліковано 19 жов 2023
  • Today we are looking at the classic Wes Craven film series that began back with 1996's Scream. Happy Halloween! And thank you so much for watching.
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  • @juggadadjones3966
    @juggadadjones3966 7 місяців тому +521

    There’s a script floating around of a Friday the 13th that ends in a snow massacre and that idea has always stuck with me WE WANT SNOW IN OUR HORROR

    • @21Handguns
      @21Handguns 7 місяців тому +8

      That's literally an old F13 fan film lmfao. How embarrassing

    • @captainbarbossa289
      @captainbarbossa289 7 місяців тому +7

      Dead Snow has you covered!

    • @drishtisanger3899
      @drishtisanger3899 7 місяців тому +7

      The shining

    • @Dookieman1975
      @Dookieman1975 7 місяців тому +8

      There’s a fan film and I think it does this concept to perfection. It’s called never hike in the snow

    • @Funnylittleman
      @Funnylittleman 7 місяців тому

      @@21Handgunsno, there’s a script out there that was up for production but got scrapped. I’ve read it, it was neat. Would have been a fun entry.

  • @QuikVidGuy
    @QuikVidGuy 7 місяців тому +500

    I think the opening of 2 isn't really talking about the movies inspired violence. I think it's reversed, rather. That types of fictional violence are distracting from the real impact of the people whose deaths it was based on. Craven self-critiquing for his previous "based on a true story" films and how they trivialized tragedies.

    • @maddiefromthevineyard
      @maddiefromthevineyard 7 місяців тому +43

      I agree with this take so much. I've always thought of Scream as a critique of how the media exploits violent crime and victims. Mickey's motivation of wanting to have a trial and have the christian coalition defend him has always been so fascinating. The parallels to real life serial killers having fans and becoming infamous, sitting on death row with fan letters. I love how Scream addresses the victims always being targeted while the fictional killers are immortalized. That's what separates it from other slashers imo, but other slashers are also awesome in their own way.

    • @sofiaatomo5175
      @sofiaatomo5175 7 місяців тому +3

      this. i also interpreted it similarly

    • @maca76
      @maca76 7 місяців тому +26

      yeah for me Scream never has said, "its the fault of the movies" it has always been "these people hide behind their media" and "media exploits violence without any regard"

    • @babyfaceweeb8937
      @babyfaceweeb8937 7 місяців тому +2

      So basically the conjuring franchise and The Haunting of Sharon Tate are quaking.

    • @passthehanky
      @passthehanky 7 місяців тому +9

      I totally agree. Scream isn’t saying that movies have anything to do with violence. The fact that it’s billy who says it in the first film is a commentary itself on how often criminals don’t want to take responsibility for their own faults. It’s not the thesis of the film or even an opinion the filmmakers hold. It’s pointing out that the killers would have done this either way, they just use movies as a scapegoat.

  • @mattpalmer1140
    @mattpalmer1140 7 місяців тому +26

    People: Ghost face shouldn’t use a gun!
    Ghost face every single time after the reveal: Uses a gun at least for intimidation

    • @ThatsThe_Spirit_
      @ThatsThe_Spirit_ 17 днів тому +1

      He also shouldn't wear a bullet proof vest either in my opinion. He's pretty tough n invincible for the beginning half of the movies anyway so I think he'll be OK without it lol. 😂😂

  • @Lamia-666
    @Lamia-666 7 місяців тому +60

    Everytime you said scooby-doo I was chuckling just thinking about Matthew LIllard playing Shaggy in the future 😂

  • @consistentlystupid4726
    @consistentlystupid4726 7 місяців тому +348

    You mentioned not understanding Mickey's motivation in the second movie and seem to be tying it into your idea that the Scream franchise is being defensive about movie violence and how it related to real violence. I don't think that's his "real" motivation though. His motivation is to have a show trial. Scream 2 is only two years removed form the OJ Simpson Trial and it is impossible to overstate how big that was in the media. Mickey's motivation is obviously based off the idea of media sensationalizing trials. He doesn't want to get away with the murders. He wants to be caught and put on TV and his plan is to use "movie violence" as an excuse.

    • @escalatingbarbarism5096
      @escalatingbarbarism5096 7 місяців тому +62

      He's also clearly just a natural psycho that Mrs. Loomis "met online", and I've always understood that to mean he was probably already a serial killer before he enrolled at Windsor College to be part of her plan.

    • @doobzsalam1847
      @doobzsalam1847 7 місяців тому +30

      As dark as it sounds mickey always reminded me of some school shooters wanting to the fame even if dead or behind bars. They still get to go down in history

    • @ultravi0lence
      @ultravi0lence 7 місяців тому +30

      I mean yeah… Mickey specifically mentions that the killings were just a prelude to the trial. Even says he’ll get Johnnie Cochran and Alan Dershowitz to represent him, who were two of OJ’s lawyers. Always thought it was pretty well laid out what his motivations were.

    • @pictureperfect3211
      @pictureperfect3211 7 місяців тому +25

      I was JUST about to race to comment section to point this out. Out of all of the killers, Mrs. Loomis included, he has the best motive. He’s a serial killer that she hired. Yes he has a film obsession, and yes he wants to become famous for his murders, not unlike most real life serial killers. And interestingly enough IS THE ONLY GF THAT WAS WILLING TO STAND TRIAL FOR THE MURDERS. His quip about the effects of cinema violence I think is an extension of his hubris. Remember this is the same person that throughout the film, manipulates Sidney into not trusting Derek, leading to his death and her heartbreak. Him thinking that he can surrender after the murders, and seemingly manipulate an entire courtroom, that tithe movies are to blame, is less a commentary on movies themselves, and more a commentary on the ability of our society to fall victim to these kinds of mora panics. Remember this is the same decade that freaked out about video games and why their ratings on games and even music albums…because white suburban a moms really did believe these things could drive their teens to murder. Scream 2 twenty six years later continues to be the most misunderstood sequel is swear.

    • @Maglors_grief
      @Maglors_grief 7 місяців тому +18

      Yeah Mickey is pretty different from all the other Ghostfaces because he actually wants to be caught, arrested, and put on trial. He wants the attention for it. And if he used the excuse that horror movies made him do it then that would definitely get everyone's eyes on him because censorship in media was a huge discussion in the late 90s/early 2000s with certain groups saying that movies, music, and games influence people to be violent. I'm surprised some people still fail to understand Mickey's motivation when he literally had an entire speech about why he was doing what he was doing lol.

  • @thechickapedia1175
    @thechickapedia1175 6 місяців тому +41

    “Ghostface doesn’t use a gun” maybe in the majority he doesn’t but I never got that argument. Billy and Stu had a gun, Mickey and Nancy loomis did… they all end up with guns. So yes he does.

    • @fernandomaron87
      @fernandomaron87 2 місяці тому

      Billy got the gun from Sidney when he appeared with his fake wounds falling down the stairs, i think what he meant is he never had a gun when he was commiting the murders while wearing the mask.

  • @vaszgul736
    @vaszgul736 7 місяців тому +136

    'Callbacks in franchises to earlier films is less clever and more like jingling keys in my face to make me clap my hands and giggle, which is genuinely insulting' Thank you for putting it into words

  • @michaeldiamond2755
    @michaeldiamond2755 2 місяці тому +7

    The fact that Sidney wasn’t there for that memorabilia scene is 6 is such a missed opportunity!! She’s literally the only character that would be deeply affected by seeing all of that stuff from previous movies.

  • @ALake98
    @ALake98 7 місяців тому +41

    I’ve been very pro Ghostface in the snow. Imagine a film set in at a ski lodge, there could be a sequence where he chases someone downhill on skis

    • @SamanthaCZimmerman
      @SamanthaCZimmerman 7 місяців тому +2

      that would be radical

    • @comradecam9530
      @comradecam9530 6 місяців тому +2

      Christmas Scream. :) ..........It also gives it a whole different vibe and aesthetic.

    • @dream_walker9726
      @dream_walker9726 3 місяці тому

      a scream film during christmas would go so hard actually@@comradecam9530

  • @josephbell9027
    @josephbell9027 2 місяці тому +6

    "Matthew Lillard probably gives the performance of his career in this."
    Shaggy: Are You Challenging Me?

  • @allanmcpherson9584
    @allanmcpherson9584 7 місяців тому +90

    My biggest gripe with Scream 5 is related to Dewey's death but not the his actual death. His presentation as a washed out drunk Eyore sad sack immediately told me he was going to die. It was a lazy way to signal he was done for but telling the audience it was OK because he had fallen so far that death was better. It's a shitty way to depict addiction and depression and really spoiled the movie for me.

    • @therandominfochannel6619
      @therandominfochannel6619 6 місяців тому +5

      Yeah unfortunately he suffered the same fate as many male leads in popular franchises have lately. Like Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Indiana Jones, James Bond, and more, he had to be brought to his lowest point (again) and mercy killed to make way for the women, because they apparently don't share the spotlight. Dewey should have still been happily married to Gale, and if he was going to die, it should have been a heroic death sacrificing himself that was unavoidable and made sense instead of the contrived mess we got.

  • @notaraven
    @notaraven 7 місяців тому +80

    I think the reason scream is directly talking about the topic of violence in media is because it's meant to be a satire of the genre.
    Like watchmen with superheros, scream is looking at an industry that delights in death counts, in grotesque kills, in making the monster the hero and directly saying that it's wrong. You can see that near the end when the newscast floods in to report on the crimes.
    I am an avid horror fan so i don't agree with this assessment, but this critique is one that challenges the bedrock of horror. If you are going to harshly criticize the horror/slasher movie genre there is no way not to throw out that question.

    • @SamanthaCZimmerman
      @SamanthaCZimmerman 7 місяців тому +4

      it's very haneke-esque in that way, a number of haneke's 90s works are doing the same thing. creating a spectacle of violence to tell the audience how horrible they are for looking at it. a really compelling bit of commentary that i nonetheless disagree with every time i see it lol

    • @therevenancy
      @therevenancy 7 місяців тому +17

      Agreed. I don't think it necessitated the five minute ramble saying not to engage the topic, while engaging with the topic. It came off less as educational and more like a lecture.

    • @notaraven
      @notaraven 7 місяців тому +2

      @@SamanthaCZimmerman I can kind of see that message in Cabin in the Woods. The idea that horror movies are just modern day ritual sacrifices to satiate our bloodlust. I find myself agreeing with that movie more then Scream but maybe it's because of the shadowy corporate system exploiting it.

    • @motherplayer
      @motherplayer 7 місяців тому +1

      @@notaraven Agreed. There is a sense of truth to it with the tropes, but it's played just tongue-in-cheek enough to not feel like it's completely trying to wag a finger. At least that's how I feel.

    • @cranberryrosebud
      @cranberryrosebud 6 місяців тому +3

      @@therevenancy I honestly found it jarring when he started talking about conservative grifters, like he'd just seen a tweet recently by one of those people that ground his gears, and he felt desperate to address it in a video. Not to say that the video as a whole isn't educational or entertaining, I find it both, for the most part.

  • @damianoakes2592
    @damianoakes2592 7 місяців тому +111

    I'll stick up for the Scream TV series, at least with the first two seasons. It does a great job bringing the Scream formula to TV, while also commenting on how the narrative demands of the medium are different, referencing shows such as Friday Night Lights and Twin Peaks as points of inspiration. It also has a great cast, including its main heroine played by Willa Fitzgerald (who recently knocked it out of the park with her performance as young Madeline on Mike Flanagan's The Fall of the House of Usher), backed up by Bex Taylor-Klaus (the excellent Golden Age throwback slasher Hell Fest) and Tracy Middendorf (Julie from New Nightmare), along with John Karna and Carlson Young, whose characters could have easily been rote copies of Randy and Twin Peaks' Audrey Horne, respectively, but really stand as worthwhile characters in their own right.
    I would pretty strongly recommend those first two seasons to any fan of the franchise who's wanting more. Season 3, on the other hand, I have not seen, but it has nothing to do with the rest of the series, and is terrible by all accounts I've heard, with the exception of Keke Palmer's performance.

    • @ROCKBETHENAME
      @ROCKBETHENAME 7 місяців тому +11

      The third season wasn’t bad it did have a primary black cast & took place in the hood but the story was different & unique imo & the kills were OD

    • @dekuscrub4330
      @dekuscrub4330 7 місяців тому +8

      Season 3 loses the meta commentary but has a good central plot and actual Ghostface voiced by Roger L Jackson which is better than the guy in s1&2.

    • @pictureperfect3211
      @pictureperfect3211 7 місяців тому +4

      It also does the sequel killer/motivation MUCH BETTER than the later sequels does. In a way that I almost didn’t expect. It was a great first two seasons (it could’ve had tighter storytelling elements…I think the “opening murder” should’ve been the entire first episode and more intense) but it was great.

    • @1bwash
      @1bwash 7 місяців тому +1

      I think Netflix should do a limited series that's basically is just the Stab movies.

    • @zanny3085
      @zanny3085 7 місяців тому +2

      3 uses the real ghostface mask, and has a great cast and plot. It was never going to do well after what it took to get released but I actually think it's better and feels more familiar than season 1 and 2.

  • @tengutheterrible8491
    @tengutheterrible8491 7 місяців тому +26

    I'm so curious what the actors didn't like about hearing the voice actor in real time over the phone for that one movie.

  • @giopotes8
    @giopotes8 7 місяців тому +62

    I don't think the franchise is affirming the statement "movies make psychos more creative", we should also check out how the dialogue was told and the character who said it. I think it's what SCREAM is also trying to subvert, especially in its succeeding installments where (as you pointed out) we root for the survivors because I 100% agree this is the 1st horror film where the killer takes a backseat to the popularity of the three main protagonists every film. Looking at the films again from your analysis, I can say SCREAM helps us be creative in surviving horror.

  • @putmeincoachpls
    @putmeincoachpls 7 місяців тому +32

    I will confirm that not being able to recognize the house from the 1st movie in the 5th worked on me. Didnt realize it was that house until the intended aha! moment

    • @ericgaskins571
      @ericgaskins571 7 місяців тому

      I didn't even think about it either, I re-watched it since and I can't not see it

    • @INTJ91
      @INTJ91 2 місяці тому

      Honestly I recognised it immediately from the trailer haha

    • @thechickapedia1175
      @thechickapedia1175 Місяць тому

      @@INTJ91same lol

  • @PattyPooh1113
    @PattyPooh1113 6 місяців тому +6

    ur talking about everything but the scream franchise!!

  • @soda8665
    @soda8665 7 місяців тому +68

    i love sam as a character so much, i just wish her mental illness and connection to billy wasn't the reason why she's so violent. it feeds into the narrative that people with "scary" mental illnesses are inherently dangerous when the reality is that they are more often than not victims of violence from others. of course, she isn't going around stabbing people because of her hallucinations, she's defending herself from the ghostface killer(s). but her attacks on richie and the cop are excessive and always seem to tie into her connection with billy, which reinforces the harmful idea that people will mental illness are evil, inhumane, etc.

    • @soda8665
      @soda8665 7 місяців тому +6

      ​@@taylornusteling8692 to be fair, this trope isn't exclusive to scream and has its roots deep in the horror genre. it just baffles me that a popular franchise, which is arguably more creative than its contemporaries, is still relying on lazy writing in 2023

    • @PopCultureNihilist
      @PopCultureNihilist 7 місяців тому +5

      Culturally, people do this weird thing where they project their own narcissism and insecurities onto fiction. Like, I’ve got mental illness, but this movie isn’t about ME. I am not Sam. She is a character with issues that relate specifically to her character. Plus, if we say media doesn’t influence people, nobody is going to take that logic and apply it to the real world, right?

  • @Lawlllz
    @Lawlllz 6 місяців тому +5

    I lowkey love the idea of a scream film being set at a horror or stab convention.

  • @dunnowy123
    @dunnowy123 7 місяців тому +21

    Scream 4 is underrated imo. It comments on horror remakes, internet fame, true crime, the kills are great, the new characters are fun, the legacy characters are welcome to see, and the motivations for Ghostface make sense. Even visually, I love the cloudy, slightly dream like look of the film, the deliberate ultraviolence that is clearly meant to reflect 2000s era torture porn etc. It's a really fun, thoughtful, respectable sequel to a classic, and probably my second favorite of the franchise.

  • @matango6133
    @matango6133 7 місяців тому +12

    I love the praise you gave the bodega scene in 6. I didn't know people were complaining about GF using a shotgun and I agree that it really brought an appropriate amount of terror to firearms in a way that we've been desensitized to.
    What I also love about that scene though: it's the most "NYC" part of the movie. Not because it's a bodega but because GF is dropping the stealthy style he usually goes with to just hack people up in public, right in front of a dozen witnesses that are able to run off and tell the story. It's kind of a new layer of chaotic brutality that we haven't seen from the character before. It also gave me some relief because I was worried the movie was going to revolve around clearing Sam's name as the NY ghostface. I really didn't want the film to go that direction with things and the bodega scene scrapped the idea pretty quickly.

  • @RedSpade37
    @RedSpade37 7 місяців тому +97

    Praise be to In Praise of Shadows!

    • @SultrySavageHobo
      @SultrySavageHobo 7 місяців тому +1

      I've been waiting for him for so long you don't understanding it this shadow hard at

    • @SultrySavageHobo
      @SultrySavageHobo 7 місяців тому

      I've been waiting for him for so long you don't understanding it this shadow hard af rip Wes

    • @brokensanity5252
      @brokensanity5252 7 місяців тому +1

      Lol I was literally gonna comment that😂

    • @sneezediamonds
      @sneezediamonds 7 місяців тому

      Happy Halloween!!! 🖤🧡🖤🧡🔪🎃🎃🦇

    • @HitchcockBrunette
      @HitchcockBrunette 7 місяців тому

      AMEN

  • @bloodmooncomics2249
    @bloodmooncomics2249 7 місяців тому +37

    I really thought Scream 3 was going to end up with Dewey being a third killer and we find out Dewey has been the third killer in each other movie (of the original trilogy). The first and second movie could easily had Dewey with the others and it could work when you look back (a cop helping the killers with info, explains why Gale survived, because Dewey liked her, how the killers worked together and knew what to do since the only reason they failed was due to them explaining themselves because they got cocky. Dewey would know to keep quiet because he knew it would lead to him getting caught). Dewey being a third killer would also be a slight joke with the idea of a trilogy showing a secret third killer in the third movie. It totally would have been a twist since Dewey is played as a nice person.

    • @Lilianamarie999
      @Lilianamarie999 7 місяців тому +7

      And why he always has to survive. That would've been deeply upsetting in the best way.

    • @SerpenThrope
      @SerpenThrope 7 місяців тому +2

      I've also always thought this.

    • @bbrbbr-on2gd
      @bbrbbr-on2gd 7 місяців тому +9

      So Scary Movie?

    • @frankthepug9242
      @frankthepug9242 7 місяців тому +4

      ...I'm pretty sure you've seen Scary Movie too many times

    • @DavidKen878
      @DavidKen878 3 місяці тому

      That literally makes no sense.

  • @SOBEKCrocodileGod
    @SOBEKCrocodileGod 7 місяців тому +37

    Ahh, the anatomy of my favorite horror franchise. I’ve been looking forward to this
    I will say I disagree about some of your thoughts on the media commentary in the movies. I think the second movie in particular handled it greatly.

    • @umamicashflow1809
      @umamicashflow1809 7 місяців тому

      Yes, he needlessly digresses to equate conservatives with fascists. Yawn. There is obviously not a direct causal link between violent media and real world violence. But to suggest there is absolutely never any continuity? I tend to think he would be more partial to the argument if the claim was, say, onscreen misogyny fosters real world misogyny. Scream thoughtfully acknowledges the continuity and provokes us to consider its extent, though it's clear it actually has little sympathy for "the movies made me do it." While the censorship efforts this continuity has inspired are certainly objectionable, his take here was terrible.

  • @fukidosan
    @fukidosan 7 місяців тому +18

    If you take into account that in Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back Jay and Bob take a studio tour and interrupt Wes filiming a Scream movie, it makes a lot more sense. Its like the two movies bump into each other and go their seperate ways lol.

  • @sagecorduroy
    @sagecorduroy 7 місяців тому +22

    i love the video! Robert Rodriguez didn’t actually direct the Stab footage though, but he did have this to say on the topic in 2020:
    “Wes is a friend of mine. The great Wes Craven. Such a sweetheart. He did all of that. He asked if he could use my name in there, which I thought was such a great honor. But I didn’t film that. But I got credited for it. I was at the premiere and people were turning to me to go, 'Wow that was amazing!' And I was like, 'Yeah, thanks, but actually, I didn’t shoot it. Wes did.' So Wes did that too, and he kind of did it in a cool exploitation kind of style. He was just a master. So I was very associated with that, but I actually did not shoot it. That's all Wes. I wish I could shoot that. He shot it much better than I would."

  • @VersusArdua
    @VersusArdua 2 місяці тому +3

    I think Billy's iconic line at the end is less a statement about violent media causing violence and simply about how violent people will naturally find violence in fiction enthralling. He doesn't say, "I watched Halloween eighteen times, and now you are going to die!" It isn't an indictment of horror as a genre, he's simply just stating the obvious. Billy would have killed regardless of his movie watching habits, and I think the film makes that quite clear through his overt psychopathy.

  • @workingclassbrat1989
    @workingclassbrat1989 3 місяці тому +5

    you're my favorite video essayist because of how often i don't agree with you but i 100% see how you get to your points because of how well you support your arguments. glad i'm not the only one who wasn't too happy with Scream 6 because i feel like the "fandom" is waaaay too blind in its love of it. i'm so disappointed in how melissa barrera was fired for being pro-palestine and jenna ortega most likely got out of her contract for that reason too. i know you don't do shorter "commentary" videos but i would love to hear your perspectives on it since you consistently do such a great job of threading the needle between art and its politics. excellent video as always!

    • @oliverolson6578
      @oliverolson6578 13 годин тому

      Yeah, always does great threading that particular needle 🤦

  • @naomisdiary9835
    @naomisdiary9835 7 місяців тому +4

    that blown out glam shot hazy style of the scream 4 movie actually can be found in some of the horror movies of the late 2000s early 2010s it is parodying, like final destination 4 and saw 3d, which is why i think it looks like that

  • @Salty5621
    @Salty5621 7 місяців тому +13

    So with the theatre shrine, Gale was tipped off to it by the killers. They explain at the end. They lead her to it essentially and don't lead Kirby to make her more suspicious

  • @derealization_
    @derealization_ 7 місяців тому +14

    I can actually add to your point about the absolutely massive amount of merchandise. I work at a Hot Topic and we have a whole display just for Scream and Ghostface merch. Mind you, our store is pretty small and packed with stuff, and for a specific license to get it's own dedicated display it has to be a big seller.
    We sell so much Ghostface stuff. Shirts, snow globes, mini backpacks, earrings, etc, etc. Kids will buy stuff simply due to brand recognition, having never seen a single one of the films.
    To put it into perspective, our general horror movie display that has stuff from Friday the 13th, American Psycho, Child's Play, Texas Chainsaw, The Exorcist, and more, is smaller than the display with only Ghostface merch.
    For example, we have 6+ different shirt designs, 3 different mini backpack designs, 2 different clutch bags, and multiple different earring sets, figurines, and other misc things.

    • @ltamha
      @ltamha 5 місяців тому

      Wow, never thought I'd want to visit a Hot Topic from the reputation it has (no shade, I'm in the UK and have never been in one so can't speak about that personally), but it sounds like a really cool set of merch being sold by you guys :). I'd be shaking the kids though like "watch the blooming movies, they're awesome!"

  • @sonicthehedgehogofficial
    @sonicthehedgehogofficial 7 місяців тому +10

    Just a small gripe. It would have been great to get at least a small snippet of the voice actor for the killer after hyping him up so much

  • @koketsok1513
    @koketsok1513 7 місяців тому +34

    12:43 the real horror in this world continues to be artists consistently getting shafted for their labour,I kept waiting to hear that the original designer was contacted,had their work licensed or being hired to design something for the film.The real horror is this economic system.

  • @tskmaster3837
    @tskmaster3837 7 місяців тому +13

    30:33 Oh God...
    "Movies don't create PSYCHOS, movies make PSYCHOS more creative." There's this movie from 1960 that's called PSYCHO and if look at what Billy LOOMIS says... LOOMIS being a character from PSYCHO... it's more a commentary at how slasher movies have to keep upping the baseline for movie PSYCHOS; You can't do what Hitchcock did and expect to get away with it. Two kills... one being Janet Leigh and the other being Loomis... will not cut it when you have people doing kill counts and handing awards to best kill 30 years after Scream.

    • @expendableindigo9639
      @expendableindigo9639 7 місяців тому

      Spoilers :(

    • @crater044
      @crater044 7 місяців тому +10

      Yea that section of the video was fucking weird.
      Dude took one line from the film and proceeded to stand on a soap box and make a slight political rant out of it (while also being completely tone deaf about it but whatever). Odd part.

    • @Nexol13
      @Nexol13 7 місяців тому +6

      @@crater044That rant turned me off to the entire rest of the video. Had he made one passing reference to conservative media outlets having a history of blaming media for this kind of violence, I’d understand, but going on a minutes-long tangent about it how conservatives are evil for trying to control the media lost me. Hell, I’m not even conservative and it came off as distasteful.

    • @benderbendingrodriguez420
      @benderbendingrodriguez420 2 місяці тому

      This dude always puts weird political parts in his video for no reason & they're always all biased and not from a neutral standpoint. Can't watch his Hills Have Eyes video anymore cause half the video is one big political rant

  • @moz4784
    @moz4784 7 місяців тому +24

    Honey wake up it’s a new in praise of shadows video

  • @displacerkatsidhe
    @displacerkatsidhe 7 місяців тому +9

    Sooo there are actual interviews of the screen writers talking about the whole "media makes psychopaths more creative" was in fact a parody of the conservative movement at the time as that was their big chirping point at the time.
    As for the second movie, people finding the number of a person a movie is about and constantly calling them, is a documented behavior. Remember the song "867-5309"? That number is not allowed to go out into circulation anymore. Because people, thousands of people kept calling these poor people all hours of night and day.

  • @nad613
    @nad613 7 місяців тому +2

    'How did he afford to rent this warehouse on a detective salary' I love how you point out how bad this is at showing a realistic NYC

  • @weslleyfj
    @weslleyfj Місяць тому +2

    I was so thrilled in 6 when Ghostface kept breathing after killing the professor and saw him take off the mask. Thought we'd finally have something original. The moment they killed him I knew the movie was not gonna be good. Hope we don't die for a ghostface focused scream.

  • @JeffStreamsThings
    @JeffStreamsThings 7 місяців тому +5

    The narrative of how Drew Barrymore ended up in Scream has changed over the years. When the movie first came out, she was on a talk show and the story she told then was that she signed up for Scream because she needed the work, and she was intended to play Sidney (Again, this is Drew herself telling this story) but in between signing up and filming actually starting, she started getting more credible work.
    So she went to Wes Craven and begged to be released, but he said he couldn't do it because she was basically the whole reason the movie got greenlit. So she said that she came up with a plan - let me play the first girl who gets killed before the intro. She argued that it would surprise the audience, and she said "You can still use my face on the posters, and I'll promote it as if I was the star, which is what you really need me for anyway." And he supposedly agreed.
    The story has changed over the years, but that's how it started.

  • @Spookybluelights
    @Spookybluelights 7 місяців тому +24

    I hear people include Jordan Peele in conversations about "Elevated" horror all the time, he's the one who kicked it off for the mainstream. I hate the term in general, horror has always done the things that "elevated" horror does.

    • @joseph7988
      @joseph7988 7 місяців тому +2

      Exactly, Jordan Peele is just the overrated flavor of the month.

  • @SpedeVesku
    @SpedeVesku 7 місяців тому +122

    Scream is a franchise where there really should be a long break between each instalment, to give the horror genre time to go through new trends and cycles to satirize. The two best sequels, 4 and 5, came after a long break, while the two weaker (if not outright bad) movies, 3 and 6, were rushed out.

    • @ASDOrphan
      @ASDOrphan 7 місяців тому +10

      I enjoyed 3, and I loved the 6th.😅

    • @ln1tohero698
      @ln1tohero698 7 місяців тому +5

      I think there is a way to honor previous films and there is a tacky way to mention previous films. One is about respecting a franchise, and the other is milking an audience for nostagia dollars. What comes to mind is the DiCaprio gif where he whistles and points at the tv screen as if to say "i remember that thing".

    • @jeremoople
      @jeremoople 7 місяців тому +3

      I haven't watched 5 or 6 yet, but I found 4 to be drastically worse than 1-3.

    • @SOBEKCrocodileGod
      @SOBEKCrocodileGod 7 місяців тому +10

      Honestly I think Scream 6 is the best one since Scream 2

    • @Grayfox176
      @Grayfox176 7 місяців тому +2

      ​@@SOBEKCrocodileGodyeah, I think that 2 was the best in the series and that 6 is comparable to 1, so this is clearly a "Your Mileage May Vary" kind of thing.

  • @Level_1_Frog
    @Level_1_Frog 7 місяців тому +9

    I'd never heard about the New York alleyway thing before! That's so interesting- I always thought that New York was like a maze of streets and interconnected alleys since I see it so often in films and shows.

  • @Hiiiiiiiiieeee
    @Hiiiiiiiiieeee 7 місяців тому +20

    I totally agree about the lack of Sydney in the latest sequel. She doesn’t have to be the main star of the show, but having her be in the world still adds so much depth to the history. I really hope the studio executives wake up and pay her what she believes she’s worth for the next one. Even if it’s to kill her off for good or something crazy like that, it would be iconic.

    • @sketchtheparadigmyork1217
      @sketchtheparadigmyork1217 6 місяців тому

      She didn’t join because her paycheck was small
      And obviously it went to Jenna Ortega and Melissa.
      Now that both of them are gone I find it more likely they get Neve back for an intended big bang.

  • @emily-crawford-soprano9181
    @emily-crawford-soprano9181 7 місяців тому +13

    @30:59 i always took the argument Billy makes as an excuse for shitty things he would do anyway. Like an abusive parent who says “look what you made me do”. That being said, your points are well taken especially when you start talking about the opening scene of Scream 2

  • @jackcharlotte25
    @jackcharlotte25 7 місяців тому +7

    The Jay & Silent Bob cameo in Scream 3 is kinda worse when you consider the fact that, in Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back, the duo interrupt the filming of a fictional Scream sequel, complete with cameos by Neve Campbell and Wes Craven playing themselves. The joke in Scream 3 would have worked so much better if it was just meant to be Kevin Smith and Jason Mewes, in-between takes of a movie next to the Stab 3 lot.

    • @ericgaskins571
      @ericgaskins571 7 місяців тому +2

      How weird would it have been if the killed them in the movie. People would have flipped out

  • @matango6133
    @matango6133 7 місяців тому +3

    You kind of got me thinking about "direct sequels to sequels" in horror franchises. More notable one I could think is Halloween 5. It is definitely a follow up to 4.

  • @drnickfury
    @drnickfury 7 місяців тому +1

    Every new Shadows vid is a treat. Thanks for making October feel special.

  • @ajestoncommand1122
    @ajestoncommand1122 7 місяців тому +3

    "Watching television shows doesn't create psycho killers. Canceling TV shows does!"

  • @thrashnakthebarbarian9876
    @thrashnakthebarbarian9876 7 місяців тому +10

    I think you missed the point of scream one’s message on horror movies being a satire on the satanic panic, and your guns are the problem connection felt a little wide, but an otherwise well written and put together video

  • @mizzlaura
    @mizzlaura 5 місяців тому +1

    The OG script for Scream 3 had Matthew mentoring two high schoolers as new ghostfaces to help him get revenge on Sidney, they had a script prepared but 3 weeks before shooting was supposed to start Columbine happened and schools wanted movies to stop depicting kids as killers in school and they believed movies like this were the reason massacres like this happened, Matthew Lillard even said the script was a great script and he was disappointed it had gotten scrapped but he understood why it did

  • @47Cartoonguy
    @47Cartoonguy 7 місяців тому +8

    I use to think the voice changing device Ghostface used in Scream 3 was a bit cheap and ridiculous but now at the age of Ai voice work maybe it was (sadly) ahead of it's time

  • @shouldacouldawoulda5
    @shouldacouldawoulda5 7 місяців тому +1

    I just wanna thank you for your work & say how inspiring your videos are. Thank you for hours of edutainment 💜

  • @TheStardustConspiracy
    @TheStardustConspiracy 7 місяців тому

    There’s always a pleasure whenever I see one of your anatomy of a franchise videos!!

  • @HB23000
    @HB23000 7 місяців тому

    just showing love where it's needed. Thanks for another banger Zane.

  • @desireearmstrong2291
    @desireearmstrong2291 7 місяців тому

    I just found your channel, and I am obsessed! I've really been missing out!

  • @ericnunya
    @ericnunya 7 місяців тому +1

    Super gratifying to see my patreon name in the credits of such an awesome and fun video, great work!

  • @jwnj9716
    @jwnj9716 7 місяців тому +20

    The original is a classic. Scream 3 is my favourite sequel. It was a nice way to end the franchise. We found out who was responsible for all this. He's gone, the end. I don't mind part 4. I don't care for 5. Part 6 did nothing for me as well. Predator 2 did so much more with the city setting. Has anyone seen There's Nothing Out There?

  • @DMTInfinity
    @DMTInfinity 7 місяців тому +5

    No, the final message absolutely works.
    Horror movies CAN make killers more creative.
    And by proxy, it also makes non-killers more creative.
    That's Art. It's a very powerful thing. Plus it's a great line to scare the audience with too.

  • @kmlamb85
    @kmlamb85 7 місяців тому +9

    I'm intrigued as to why you mentioned the casting of Quaid and Gooding but didn't comment on the casting of Roberts and Culkin in 4 which made the same point first? While not the children of their famous 90s icon relatives, both were often marketed as "the new" version of their 90s predecessor.
    I do quite appreciate your sentiment about the unnecessariness of the franchise's need to comment on the real world societal influence of horror movies as a hollow clapback at bad faith arguments from people with ulterior motives, though. Especially since one of my biggest issues with the franchise is it's terrible at actually showing any societal influence within the fictional world of the films beyond how people keep buying that same costume willy-nilly and killing people while wearing it. You'd think Woodsboro at least would've banned the costume from being sold or worn between 4 and 5.

  • @frost_bite42
    @frost_bite42 7 місяців тому +7

    Would love a, anatomy of a franchise on the evil dead. I think it would be a good video. Showcasing its effect on both horror and comedy.

  • @rachael5025
    @rachael5025 День тому +1

    yes, alleyways, the thing new york is famous for not having, the thing people not in new york definitely know about

  • @Zayrah99
    @Zayrah99 День тому +4

    I hope Ghostface finds your mommy and daddy, baby kitty ❤

  • @frogurtcremebrulee5252
    @frogurtcremebrulee5252 7 місяців тому +2

    Thank god someone finally pointed out the issues with Jason Blum and Blumhouse as a whole. Great video, keep it up man❤

  • @idler_wheel
    @idler_wheel 6 місяців тому

    I can’t always sit through horror films, but I really enjoy the plots and analysis. I appreciate the time and care that you give to your content. It allows me to explore the themes and conversations surrounding these films without sacrificing my sleep lol. Thank you for your work!

  • @orwellianson
    @orwellianson 7 місяців тому +30

    Always, always a great day whenever you upload a new episode, Zane. Much love! Happy Halloween! 🎃🖤🦇🔪👻

  • @ORBFILMS1
    @ORBFILMS1 6 місяців тому

    Thank you for these well made videos

  • @mmddyyyy1969
    @mmddyyyy1969 Місяць тому +3

    I really love the topics and films you choose for your video essays and really enjoy watching your content. I find myself happily surprised when I receive a notification from UA-cam to then see it’s for your channel and that *ding* makes my heart skip a little from sheer excitement and curiosity and the moment where I think to myself “wonder what this one will be about today? 😮😊”…. But I find myself getting turned off and tuning out at points the tone shifts from a very well thought out critique and general objective observations to then segway into your opinion on people’s intent, with a sense of 100% certainty that gives me the impression that you believe there are no other alternatives or possibilities, entirely disregarding any sort of nuance, asserting that the opinion you hold on any given persons ideological leanings, political beliefs. You often assert, with what I excuse as just an inexperienced and short sighted interpretation of someone else’s reasoning and purpose for including/using/portraying/depicting certain themes and topics, the morals and ethics of your subject. As well as devoting entire portions of your videos to, I hate using this terminology but it’s the only description that fits, virtuous superiority via “virtue signaling” to the audience in a way that gives off a smug and pretentious tone of having to proclaim how moralistic and how you’re a much better, and how “good” of a person you are instead of the subject you’re discussing. Frequently taking multiple minutes labeling them with ism’s or ist’s to affirm to us, your audience, that you, in fact, don’t agree with these things and feel obligated to denounce what, in your objective…. opinion…. (Purposeful oxymoron there) you feel is without any room for debate or refutation (about to use terminology I really don’t like using but feel it’s the simplest and best fitting) the practice of wrong think.
    Other than finding it distasteful and immature your use of framing everything through a political lens, I really love your videos and please keep up the good work.

  • @omnibrewer330
    @omnibrewer330 7 місяців тому

    My favorite UA-camr talking about my favorite franchise!!

  • @cozyburrito686
    @cozyburrito686 7 місяців тому

    This was so well done!

  • @HitchcockBrunette
    @HitchcockBrunette 7 місяців тому +3

    We are all so BLESSED when In Praise of Shadows drops another masterpiece video ❤🎉 thank you

  • @kingkaiiius
    @kingkaiiius 7 місяців тому +1

    I’ve been waiting for this one ❤

  • @NicolasCurcioWriter
    @NicolasCurcioWriter 7 місяців тому +2

    THIS VIDEO IS A HALLOWEEN MIRACLE

  • @FingFantasticFox
    @FingFantasticFox 7 місяців тому

    amazing video dude. i loved this

  • @kostaskaraganis
    @kostaskaraganis 3 місяці тому +2

    i disagree with a lot, but i have to say it: GREAT VIDEO.... Excellent work

  • @TheRiskyforever
    @TheRiskyforever 7 місяців тому +4

    did the first scream not agree with you? Horror movies don’t make killers, it’s very clear that billy was already going to be a killer. He’s used a mask because of halloween but that’s basically it

  • @explorer8125
    @explorer8125 4 місяці тому +1

    I like how meta self aware it is. Like with Scream 2 script leaks and no one knowing what they are gonna shoot that day, and then acting that out in the movie… a lot like the Melissa situation. Where people were trying to turn on her making her the bad guy when she wasn’t… in the movie and in real life… all they need is a mention that Tory spelling in stab didn’t get paid enough to return, that’d match Neve’s situation

  • @laserwolf65
    @laserwolf65 7 місяців тому +4

    Congress never regulated the comic book market. They had some hearings, and the industry itself created the comic code.

  • @yddetstrebor8336
    @yddetstrebor8336 7 місяців тому +1

    The foxy shazam outro both surprised and delighted me. Good shit sir as always

  • @yenc_i
    @yenc_i 7 місяців тому +1

    Great video!

  • @collinmichaelkahn3918
    @collinmichaelkahn3918 7 місяців тому +1

    I haven’t even started this yet but I just want to say in advance: I love you and I would marry you in a millisecond for giving the Scream franchise your masterful anatomical approach!!
    IPOS for the win. Always. You rock dude/ya’ll. ❤️

  • @dylanthehopelessrema
    @dylanthehopelessrema 7 місяців тому +4

    Love the new intro card 👌🏻

  • @SuperBatSpider
    @SuperBatSpider 4 місяці тому +1

    I could see the knife in Jason’s eye being the in universe reason Billy chose it

  • @spookboy709
    @spookboy709 6 місяців тому

    What a great breakdown of these movies. I do have different opinions on some things but you make a lot of sense and really break them down. I appreciate this video and all the time it too to make it. Thank you, this earned a new subscriber. My friend @Hellbound told me about this video.

  • @jaridmarcel
    @jaridmarcel 7 місяців тому

    nice work on this!!

  • @lizgeorge5864
    @lizgeorge5864 7 місяців тому +3

    You should look into the real life scream killing that happened after the first movie came out two boys were “inspired” to recreate the movie

  • @ChildOfChaos07
    @ChildOfChaos07 2 місяці тому +1

    I also feel like the Maureen subplot involving Milton in Scream 3 was an allegory about Weinstein.

  • @dayalx
    @dayalx 7 місяців тому +3

    A Sam Raimi style scream would be super interesting

    • @frogurtcremebrulee5252
      @frogurtcremebrulee5252 7 місяців тому

      Don’t say that I’m sad now cause we’ll probably never get it 😢

  • @TheTheLeeloo
    @TheTheLeeloo 6 місяців тому

    I didn't even know about Scream 6 being out 😅 incredible video as always, thank you!!!

  • @Satuneonred
    @Satuneonred 7 місяців тому

    Every time I see you post a new video I drop what I'm doing to watch 🎉

  • @Stand_By_For_Mind_Control
    @Stand_By_For_Mind_Control 7 місяців тому

    Man I love that intro graphic you set up.

  • @MartyMcFly88
    @MartyMcFly88 7 місяців тому +1

    Great video. I love all 6 movies.

  • @ChildOfChaos07
    @ChildOfChaos07 2 місяці тому +1

    Also, I love Scream 3. I know it's not as strong as the previous films but I genuinely enjoy this film.

  • @codygoodnight1851
    @codygoodnight1851 7 місяців тому

    Fantastic video

  • @instinctivelychelsea2905
    @instinctivelychelsea2905 6 місяців тому

    I love the intro ! Reminds me of popping in a favorite old VHS :)

  • @davidcochran113
    @davidcochran113 7 місяців тому +3

    Slightly nitpicky I know, but Greg Nicotero was famous way way before The Walking Dead.

  • @alexredell5046
    @alexredell5046 7 місяців тому +1

    IPOS is back and he LITERALLY NEVER MISSES!!!

  • @maskoolio5824
    @maskoolio5824 7 місяців тому +2

    "Horror icon samara weaving"? Is that sarcasm or has she secretly been in a bunch of iconic horror movies I dont know about?

  • @agent74113
    @agent74113 2 місяці тому

    when i was a kid in the 90's, my buddy and i had those scream masks before the movie came out, and we were super excited to see them in the original Scream.

  • @harpoon_eggs
    @harpoon_eggs 2 місяці тому +4

    watching half in the background, how did this go so politically of the rails so quickly

  • @scottyboyrulez
    @scottyboyrulez 7 місяців тому +2

    If you listen to the dialogue it is stated that Mindy DID go to the hospital. She was just let go for some reason.