its honestly kinda sad some people cant enjoy a ride for what the ride is meant to do, and if it isnt styled to their exact satisfaction they hate on it for literally no reason. just enjoy the fun in the ride
I would like to make several counterarguments. Firstly, when you say at 0:41 that Iron Gwazi is significantly better, it's such a vague comparison that you can't just end it by simply saying that one is better. Your argument of Iron Gwazi being better than Steel Vengeance due to its records is downright outrageous. By your analogy, that means that Formula Rossa is a better coaster than Maverick simply because it holds better statistics than Maverick. It's taller, faster, and longer. But do statistics really matter in comparing coasters? I agree with @namevone. Roller coasters have different reasons for being built. Formula Rossa is built to be the fastest launch coaster, while Maverick might have a different reason. In this case, Steel Vengeance has a completely different layout than Iron Gwazi, and their intentions are different. Steel Vengeance mainly focuses on its airtime, while Iron Gwazi focuses on its wave turns and banked elements. Iron Gwazi has nowhere near the airtime as Steel Vengeance, while Steel Vengeance doesn't have nearly enough intensity on its waves and inversions as Iron Gwazi. Both coasters are completely different pieces of art, so you can't really just say that one is simply better than the other. I would like to question your argument about outer banks at 1:36. Firstly, you need to understand that both coasters have been built nearly 4 years apart. And 4 (technically 5) years before Steel Vengeance came Iron Rattler. As you know, in the short time that RMC existed, they have improved their design a lot. Steel Vengeance has way better ways of using the same element. This comparison is the same for yours of Iron Gwazi and Steel Vengeance. Time plays an important role. RMC has developed its elements tenfold in the 4 years, and one can't simply assume that RMC would give the same intensity down the road. Additionally, you lack evidence for your claim on outer banked inversions. Your opinion is your own, and it can't be justified unless a majority of the roller coaster community agrees. I can say that Son of the Beast is an extremely smooth coaster(not true)--that's my own opinion. But that's not necessarily justified unless most of the community agrees on this claim. My opponent claims at 2:05 that Steel Vengeance has weaker inversions than Iron Gwazi. However, I again state the fact that both coasters are built with different intentions. Steel Vengeance isn't focused on inversions. Sure, they're a major part of the ride, but it's not the main point of the ride. Iron Gwazi was not built with the intention of making a 30-second airtime count. Thus, one cannot simply claim that the other coaster is better mainly due to the lack of elements in one coaster. Additionally, at 2:20, your claim on a death roll is rhetorical. Firstly, Steel Vengeance does not have a death roll at all, so this comparison cannot be enforced. Sure, it's one of the best inversions. But that's not a valid argument to back up your claim. You also claim at the fact that the inversions on Iron Gwazi are better than Steel Vengeance. In turn, by using your analogy, I can argue that the airtime on Steel Vengeance is much better than Iron Gwazi, which is what makes it a better coaster. Your counterargument of Steel Vengeance having very quick pops of airtime--if this isn't good for you, what is? 27 seconds of airtime is way more than enough. My opponent also claims that another factor for Iron Gwazi being better than Steel Vengeance is its better pacing and sustained airtime. I do agree--in fact. However, this cannot be one of the major factors for Iron Gwazi being better than Steel Vengeance. Additionally, regarding your claim about Alan Shilke replacing the second half with camelbacks--have you ever tried designing a coaster before? The second half of the Steel Vengeance is focused on its short pops of airtime and inversions, not with sustained airtime. So it would not make sense to randomly add elements that haven't been used in the layout before. Also, climate and wheels do not have any part in this argument--stop using fillers to "support" your claims. Onto your next comparison--I would say your first argument just disappoints me. Again, Steel Vengeance and Maverick are COMPLETELY different rides. Steel Vengeance doesn't have low-to-the-ground turns and whippy transitions, and Maverick doesn't have 27 seconds of airtime. This is like comparing a giraffe to a monkey. They're completely different things, and one cannot simply say that the other "destroys in every single way possible." Monkeys have traits and abilities that giraffes don't have, and vice versa. Again, you're comparing two completely different variables in terms of elements at 6:02. Steel Vengeance doesn't have a beyond vertical drop with a launch going into it. So obviously, it will lack some airtime. This comparison is much more outrageous than with Iron Gwazi. Firstly, these two are completely different models and manufacturers. As such, the restraints, track, wheels, etc are obviously going to differ. Manufacturers are obviously going to provide different kinds of elements and intensity, so why bother? Going back to your first analogy, this means that Steel Vengeance is better simply due to it having much more records than Maverick. Height, speed, etc etc. Even you said it yourself at 6:20 that these two are built for completely different intentions, so how can you possibly compare two completely different roller coasters? Your conclusion to your claim that the reason why Maverick is better than Steel Vengeance is horrendous. You can't simply love a coaster more because it provides better in one aspect--and that's having better airtime. Since when did airtime become the basis of knowing which coaster is better? Additionally, your argument doesn't even match your claim. Your claim is that Steel Vengeance is overrated, while you give me a few opinions and personal reasons--that aren't even upported--as to why Steel Vengeance is worse than Maverick and Iron Gwazi. Though you do say a few sentences about why Steel Vengeance is overrated at the end, your evidence does not even connect in the slightest. Speaking of evidence--it's so vague that I'm surprised you even managed to get a few says out of it. Theres no statistics, charts, etc. The basis of your argument lies on your own personal opinions comparing COMPLETELY DIFFERENT roller coasters. Iron Gwazi and Maverick are good rides--but they're not good comparisons. I respect your bold claim, but I have a hard time believing it to be true, especially with the evidence that you brought up.
The reason I compared Steel Vengeance to Iron Gwazi and Maverick is because all three coasters have similar elements that I believe are better executed on Maverick and Iron Gwazi.
I agree.. all great rides. But totally different styles. Not comparable statistically. I Love heights, and as good as maverick may be, I'd probably personally enjoy Steel more because of the height and views alone.
@Southeastern_Thrills to be fair, I haven't been on either, but I'm wildly familiar with the types of physics they possess. The good thing is, I'm driving to Sandusky tomorrow morning from St. Louis. It'll be my first time visiting CP on Saturday, and I'll be able to see and have a better idea between Steeve and Maverick.. let's hope both are operating, and i'm able to get there before too many people show up! 😆
It’s a bit weird to say coasters are overrated/ underrated its all up to preference. Just so happens many people value lots of airtime and a ‘full’ ride experience which is just as valid as anything else. People act like others’ roller coaster opinion is fact and then invalidate them by saying they’re just copying big youtubers or saying the experience they had was wrong. My friends would probably say Valravn was their favorite from cedar point, and i think SteVe has probably fallen off most youtubers’ top 1 with all of the innovation we’ve seen since 2018.
The amazing thing about Steel Vengeance is that they took a horrible ride (Mean Streak) and made it an incredible ride. Def my favorite at Cedar Point (along with Maverick).
I probably underrate Steel Vengeance because it's at Cedar Point. The line is always ridiculous, even on "slow" days, and on my visits, it never seemed to operate for more than an hour without breaking down. For the rides that I did get, it seemed that the airtime (although very enjoyable for me) was not nearly as strong as even RMCs that came before it. SV has around 25 airtime moments and a total of 27 seconds, but most of it is light ejector or floater. Meanwhile, Twisted Timbers is trying to rip you apart at the waist, which may be too much for some people, but it is significantly stronger. Storm Chaser, Twisted Colossus, & Wicked Cyclone also have far stronger airtime. Iron Rattler's 2 drops, 1st hill after the drop, 1st hill on top of the wall, & step-up into the brakes are all significantly stronger moments than anything on Steel Vengeance, and Iron Rattler was RMCs 2nd project. As much as I enjoy SV, and as much as I can appreciate floater and light ejector airtime, I think it's the 3rd weakest RMC in terms of airtime strength, only ahead of New Texas Giant & Joker.
Steel Vengeance is absolutely incredible and probably the best coaster ever to many. I love Maverick more, but that doesn’t mean that it’s objectively better than SV or even Iron Gwazi. Steve is a marvel.
steel vengeance has always been hit or miss for me, in 2022 when i first rode it i thought it was okay. i rode it again and got a trimless ride and loved it to pieces, but after riding again this year the trims were on and hitting harder than ever before the mid course is it biggest flaw.
I feel the same way. My first ride in 2019 wasn't great. I got a second row morning ride. I then came back this year and finally got a back row ride. Honestly, it wasn't as good as I hoped especially since I've gotten so many rides on Iron Gwazi.
hive mind mentality, they see other people saying its the best and think its the best too. if most big youtubers didnt say its the best coaster, they probably wouldn't have it as number 1.
I think comparing SteVe to Iron Gwazi and Maverick is pretty unfair, because it was never designed to be similar to those rides. Those 2 rides were designed to have break neck pacing, and that just never was the goal with Steel Vengeance. It's like comparing I305 to Millie, sure they're both Intamin giga's, but they were designed with such different goals that they might as well be different models. It's fair to prefer one over the other, but I don't think the comparisons make much sense.
Meh. This is sort of a bait video. People who say Steve is the best coaster in the world just don't have experience. However, it's rare to find the person who says this isn't at least in the top 10% of coasters. I actually like all the little airtime hills. It reminds me of a bucking bronco which is thematic to the area. I do think Gwazi is better, and I like other styles of coaster more than RMC remakes. But Steve is an amazing coaster in a park that already is full of them. There is no other park in NA, arguably the world, with a more complete set of amazing coasters. None of the coasters at CP are in my top 5, but I would rather have all of their very good coasters than 1 amazing coaster with a bunch of shit supporting ones
Leviathan is better than iron gwazzi, iron gwazzi was so disappointing it felt like a bnm. When I rode iron gwazzi I was expecting some crazy airtime on the wave turn and that did not happen, wild cats revenges wave turn is better, the stall on iron gwazzi was also bad compared to wild cats revenge and steel vengeance. For me iron gwazzi is the most overrated rollercoaster ever. To me this is miles better.
Even though I haven't ridden Wildcat's Revenge, saying it and Steel Vengeance are better than Iron Gwazi is understandable. Now saying Leviathan is better than Iron Gwazi is crazy because both rides are completely different. Leviathan is great though.
Well… I think you are right about all your comparisons Steve to iron gwazi here… except calling Steve over rated. I think Steve was considered the best roller coaster ever, until Gwaz and Zadra came out. Now there are a ton of people that consider those two higher rated than Steve, so it is appropriately rated, like yeah it’s not the number one but most people aren’t saying it is. They might be saying that steel vengeance is better for being longer and more complete than the other two mega hybrids, but in my opinion that extra length is just bunny hops that can be a little redundant, and simple inversions-you don’t really miss them on IG or zadra (I assume, haven’t been on zadra. I disagree on maverick being better as an overall product. And mavericks airtime is not stronger in my opinion. But yeah to say it’s overrated and only gets good marks because it’s at cedar point… nah, at least a good handful of us are considering 15-20 different categories and factors when ranking these rides and not just jumping on the band wagon
You make a lot of points that are going to make viewers questions your credibility. If you want to build your subscriber count, you might just stick to praising what you like about Iron Gwazi and Maverick and any others.
I understand those concerns. I don't care because I'm just expressing my opinion about Steel Vengeance. Just because I have a hot take regarding Steel Vengeance doesn't mean my credibility should be questioned. I've been to almost 50 parks across North America so I know what I'm talking about when it comes to theme park tips.
I think Iron Gwazi is extremely overrated personally, STEVE has the complete layout. I don’t like the 2 turnarounds IG has. The second half on STEVE is better than IG alone.
If your goal is to Make the case that steel vengeance is the most overrated coaster in America, you need to have a much better case than what you've established. Comparing it against Maverick and iron Gwazi is a matter of taste and opinion. I can think of a very long list of 200 ft tall roller coasters that lack the intensity and airtime and smoothness that steel vengeance has. While I am partial to Maverick, I will openly admit the steel vengeance is a better coaster. I was able to marathon Maverick, I could not marathon steel vengeance.
@@Southeastern_Thrills your problem is you're over exaggerating your comparison. You're comparing it against top level coasters. If for instance the average Morgan coaster or B&M coaster was hands down superior that would be much stronger case, But your argument that iron qwazi which is in many ways a sequel of their work is better is not a very strong foundation. A newer coaster made by the same company should be expected to be better in some capacities. You're trying to claim that it's over hyped because it's at cedar point. The fact is it's more intense and better than most RMCs are and it's better than most hyper coasters are.
@@colinschmitz8297 Steel Vengeance is a great ride. All I'm saying is that there are better coasters that have similar elements and forces to Steel Vengeance that are less talked about.
@@Southeastern_Thrills No. You literally said the most overrated coaster in America. If you want to change your title and edit it to your most recent statement, that would be an acceptable position, but when you're saying that it's the most overrated in America, you have to back that up with a stronger case than you have. Also what is the ratio of ones that are better than Steel Vengeance versus the coasters that it's superior to? The fact is in the category of 200 + foot coasters it's one of the most intense and best experiences. And of the RMC's, it's among the best. Also in trying to make a case that a ride is overrated because it's at cedar point would be something more objectively obvious such as If rougarou was referred to as one of the best floorless coasters of all time. Rougarou is not And I don't think anyone considers it to be such.
@@colinschmitz8297 Trust me, there are other coasters that I like more than Steel Vengeance, such as Fury 325 and Velocicoaster. Also, I'm not changing my title or thumbnail because that would destroy the point of the video. I use strong claims to create an emotion from the audience. It's called effective marketing and it worked on you.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but you don't get to ignore the laws of physics. There can be no steeper drop than 90 degrees. 91 degrees is 89 inverted so it's actually an 89 degree drop on Gwazi. No wonder you have 171 subscribers. Try being informed before you open your mouth and show the world your lack of knowledge. Thanks
@@Southeastern_Thrills but Steel has better air time better length and overall better in general like when you look at it it looks intimidating that is what maverick doesn't give off
I wouldn't say it's overrated. It's one of my top five favorites for sure, but deep down, whether it's overrated or not depends on the rider and what they prefer overall.
its honestly kinda sad some people cant enjoy a ride for what the ride is meant to do, and if it isnt styled to their exact satisfaction they hate on it for literally no reason. just enjoy the fun in the ride
I know, right. I just say stuff like that to get views, but I totally agree with you.
I would like to make several counterarguments.
Firstly, when you say at 0:41 that Iron Gwazi is significantly better, it's such a vague comparison that you can't just end it by simply saying that one is better. Your argument of Iron Gwazi being better than Steel Vengeance due to its records is downright outrageous. By your analogy, that means that Formula Rossa is a better coaster than Maverick simply because it holds better statistics than Maverick. It's taller, faster, and longer. But do statistics really matter in comparing coasters? I agree with @namevone. Roller coasters have different reasons for being built. Formula Rossa is built to be the fastest launch coaster, while Maverick might have a different reason. In this case, Steel Vengeance has a completely different layout than Iron Gwazi, and their intentions are different. Steel Vengeance mainly focuses on its airtime, while Iron Gwazi focuses on its wave turns and banked elements. Iron Gwazi has nowhere near the airtime as Steel Vengeance, while Steel Vengeance doesn't have nearly enough intensity on its waves and inversions as Iron Gwazi. Both coasters are completely different pieces of art, so you can't really just say that one is simply better than the other.
I would like to question your argument about outer banks at 1:36. Firstly, you need to understand that both coasters have been built nearly 4 years apart. And 4 (technically 5) years before Steel Vengeance came Iron Rattler. As you know, in the short time that RMC existed, they have improved their design a lot. Steel Vengeance has way better ways of using the same element. This comparison is the same for yours of Iron Gwazi and Steel Vengeance. Time plays an important role. RMC has developed its elements tenfold in the 4 years, and one can't simply assume that RMC would give the same intensity down the road. Additionally, you lack evidence for your claim on outer banked inversions. Your opinion is your own, and it can't be justified unless a majority of the roller coaster community agrees. I can say that Son of the Beast is an extremely smooth coaster(not true)--that's my own opinion. But that's not necessarily justified unless most of the community agrees on this claim.
My opponent claims at 2:05 that Steel Vengeance has weaker inversions than Iron Gwazi. However, I again state the fact that both coasters are built with different intentions. Steel Vengeance isn't focused on inversions. Sure, they're a major part of the ride, but it's not the main point of the ride. Iron Gwazi was not built with the intention of making a 30-second airtime count. Thus, one cannot simply claim that the other coaster is better mainly due to the lack of elements in one coaster. Additionally, at 2:20, your claim on a death roll is rhetorical. Firstly, Steel Vengeance does not have a death roll at all, so this comparison cannot be enforced. Sure, it's one of the best inversions. But that's not a valid argument to back up your claim.
You also claim at the fact that the inversions on Iron Gwazi are better than Steel Vengeance. In turn, by using your analogy, I can argue that the airtime on Steel Vengeance is much better than Iron Gwazi, which is what makes it a better coaster. Your counterargument of Steel Vengeance having very quick pops of airtime--if this isn't good for you, what is? 27 seconds of airtime is way more than enough.
My opponent also claims that another factor for Iron Gwazi being better than Steel Vengeance is its better pacing and sustained airtime. I do agree--in fact. However, this cannot be one of the major factors for Iron Gwazi being better than Steel Vengeance. Additionally, regarding your claim about Alan Shilke replacing the second half with camelbacks--have you ever tried designing a coaster before? The second half of the Steel Vengeance is focused on its short pops of airtime and inversions, not with sustained airtime. So it would not make sense to randomly add elements that haven't been used in the layout before. Also, climate and wheels do not have any part in this argument--stop using fillers to "support" your claims.
Onto your next comparison--I would say your first argument just disappoints me. Again, Steel Vengeance and Maverick are COMPLETELY different rides. Steel Vengeance doesn't have low-to-the-ground turns and whippy transitions, and Maverick doesn't have 27 seconds of airtime. This is like comparing a giraffe to a monkey. They're completely different things, and one cannot simply say that the other "destroys in every single way possible." Monkeys have traits and abilities that giraffes don't have, and vice versa.
Again, you're comparing two completely different variables in terms of elements at 6:02. Steel Vengeance doesn't have a beyond vertical drop with a launch going into it. So obviously, it will lack some airtime. This comparison is much more outrageous than with Iron Gwazi. Firstly, these two are completely different models and manufacturers. As such, the restraints, track, wheels, etc are obviously going to differ. Manufacturers are obviously going to provide different kinds of elements and intensity, so why bother? Going back to your first analogy, this means that Steel Vengeance is better simply due to it having much more records than Maverick. Height, speed, etc etc. Even you said it yourself at 6:20 that these two are built for completely different intentions, so how can you possibly compare two completely different roller coasters?
Your conclusion to your claim that the reason why Maverick is better than Steel Vengeance is horrendous. You can't simply love a coaster more because it provides better in one aspect--and that's having better airtime. Since when did airtime become the basis of knowing which coaster is better?
Additionally, your argument doesn't even match your claim. Your claim is that Steel Vengeance is overrated, while you give me a few opinions and personal reasons--that aren't even upported--as to why Steel Vengeance is worse than Maverick and Iron Gwazi. Though you do say a few sentences about why Steel Vengeance is overrated at the end, your evidence does not even connect in the slightest. Speaking of evidence--it's so vague that I'm surprised you even managed to get a few says out of it. Theres no statistics, charts, etc. The basis of your argument lies on your own personal opinions comparing COMPLETELY DIFFERENT roller coasters. Iron Gwazi and Maverick are good rides--but they're not good comparisons. I respect your bold claim, but I have a hard time believing it to be true, especially with the evidence that you brought up.
The reason I compared Steel Vengeance to Iron Gwazi and Maverick is because all three coasters have similar elements that I believe are better executed on Maverick and Iron Gwazi.
I agree.. all great rides. But totally different styles. Not comparable statistically.
I Love heights, and as good as maverick may be, I'd probably personally enjoy Steel more because of the height and views alone.
They all have similar forces though.
@Southeastern_Thrills to be fair, I haven't been on either, but I'm wildly familiar with the types of physics they possess. The good thing is, I'm driving to Sandusky tomorrow morning from St. Louis. It'll be my first time visiting CP on Saturday, and I'll be able to see and have a better idea between Steeve and Maverick.. let's hope both are operating, and i'm able to get there before too many people show up! 😆
Your argument from 3:45 to 4:05 is exactly why I like STEVE
Most people love the quick pops of airtime but, I personally find most of the airtime on Steel Vengeance uncomfortable.
@@Southeastern_Thrills Exactly, my thighs shouldn’t feel like they are going to break in half. Iron Gwazi doesn’t feel like that.
@@edwardbloom6999 how much different are the restraints on both Gwazi and SteVe?
I haven't been on either. Do you feel it's a restraint issue causing the discomfort?
@@KrazyK314 No, because Steel Vengeance and Iron Gwazi have the same trains. The airtime hills are just more abrupt on Steel Vengeance.
It’s a bit weird to say coasters are overrated/ underrated its all up to preference. Just so happens many people value lots of airtime and a ‘full’ ride experience which is just as valid as anything else. People act like others’ roller coaster opinion is fact and then invalidate them by saying they’re just copying big youtubers or saying the experience they had was wrong. My friends would probably say Valravn was their favorite from cedar point, and i think SteVe has probably fallen off most youtubers’ top 1 with all of the innovation we’ve seen since 2018.
I agree 100%
The amazing thing about Steel Vengeance is that they took a horrible ride (Mean Streak) and made it an incredible ride. Def my favorite at Cedar Point (along with Maverick).
RMC really turned Mean Streak into a great ride.
Some interesting takes here lol! Still love the video :)
Thanks
Brother put a pea 🫛 under his mattress because this man will feel it!
What?
@@Southeastern_Thrills they r saying ur too sensitive
@@ax8te I'm just expressing my opinions.
I probably underrate Steel Vengeance because it's at Cedar Point. The line is always ridiculous, even on "slow" days, and on my visits, it never seemed to operate for more than an hour without breaking down. For the rides that I did get, it seemed that the airtime (although very enjoyable for me) was not nearly as strong as even RMCs that came before it.
SV has around 25 airtime moments and a total of 27 seconds, but most of it is light ejector or floater. Meanwhile, Twisted Timbers is trying to rip you apart at the waist, which may be too much for some people, but it is significantly stronger. Storm Chaser, Twisted Colossus, & Wicked Cyclone also have far stronger airtime. Iron Rattler's 2 drops, 1st hill after the drop, 1st hill on top of the wall, & step-up into the brakes are all significantly stronger moments than anything on Steel Vengeance, and Iron Rattler was RMCs 2nd project. As much as I enjoy SV, and as much as I can appreciate floater and light ejector airtime, I think it's the 3rd weakest RMC in terms of airtime strength, only ahead of New Texas Giant & Joker.
Haven't ridden any of the RMC's yo mentioned, but I agree with most of what you're saying.
I hate steel vengeance because of those quick pops and the terrible restraints
Valid argument
Steel Vengeance is absolutely incredible and probably the best coaster ever to many. I love Maverick more, but that doesn’t mean that it’s objectively better than SV or even Iron Gwazi.
Steve is a marvel.
@@SacredRealmOfficial Steel Vengeance is fantastic. There's just many things I don't think it does as well as other coasters I've ridden.
steel vengeance has always been hit or miss for me, in 2022 when i first rode it i thought it was okay. i rode it again and got a trimless ride and loved it to pieces, but after riding again this year the trims were on and hitting harder than ever before the mid course is it biggest flaw.
I feel the same way. My first ride in 2019 wasn't great. I got a second row morning ride. I then came back this year and finally got a back row ride. Honestly, it wasn't as good as I hoped especially since I've gotten so many rides on Iron Gwazi.
hive mind mentality, they see other people saying its the best and think its the best too. if most big youtubers didnt say its the best coaster, they probably wouldn't have it as number 1.
True. I feel like if Steel Vengeance was at any other park, it wouldn't get the same attention.
@@Southeastern_Thrills same could be said for gwazi or velocicoaster with that logic?
@@RyanDavis-qv4ie Velocicoaster yes, Iron Gwazi no.
I think comparing SteVe to Iron Gwazi and Maverick is pretty unfair, because it was never designed to be similar to those rides. Those 2 rides were designed to have break neck pacing, and that just never was the goal with Steel Vengeance. It's like comparing I305 to Millie, sure they're both Intamin giga's, but they were designed with such different goals that they might as well be different models. It's fair to prefer one over the other, but I don't think the comparisons make much sense.
It's a reasonable comparison because Steel Vengeance was designed to one up Maverick and Iron Gwazi was designed to one up Steel Vengeance.
Meh. This is sort of a bait video. People who say Steve is the best coaster in the world just don't have experience. However, it's rare to find the person who says this isn't at least in the top 10% of coasters. I actually like all the little airtime hills. It reminds me of a bucking bronco which is thematic to the area. I do think Gwazi is better, and I like other styles of coaster more than RMC remakes.
But Steve is an amazing coaster in a park that already is full of them. There is no other park in NA, arguably the world, with a more complete set of amazing coasters. None of the coasters at CP are in my top 5, but I would rather have all of their very good coasters than 1 amazing coaster with a bunch of shit supporting ones
I understand. It's not clickbait because I explained why I believe Steel Vengeance is overrated.
Steel Vengeance is still better
Ok
@@Southeastern_Thrills Okay
Leviathan is better than iron gwazzi, iron gwazzi was so disappointing it felt like a bnm. When I rode iron gwazzi I was expecting some crazy airtime on the wave turn and that did not happen, wild cats revenges wave turn is better, the stall on iron gwazzi was also bad compared to wild cats revenge and steel vengeance. For me iron gwazzi is the most overrated rollercoaster ever. To me this is miles better.
Even though I haven't ridden Wildcat's Revenge, saying it and Steel Vengeance are better than Iron Gwazi is understandable. Now saying Leviathan is better than Iron Gwazi is crazy because both rides are completely different. Leviathan is great though.
@@Southeastern_Thrills I know people do not like my opinion on this 😂 iron gwazzi is still a incredible ride though.
Well… I think you are right about all your comparisons Steve to iron gwazi here… except calling Steve over rated.
I think Steve was considered the best roller coaster ever, until Gwaz and Zadra came out. Now there are a ton of people that consider those two higher rated than Steve, so it is appropriately rated, like yeah it’s not the number one but most people aren’t saying it is.
They might be saying that steel vengeance is better for being longer and more complete than the other two mega hybrids, but in my opinion that extra length is just bunny hops that can be a little redundant, and simple inversions-you don’t really miss them on IG or zadra (I assume, haven’t been on zadra.
I disagree on maverick being better as an overall product. And mavericks airtime is not stronger in my opinion.
But yeah to say it’s overrated and only gets good marks because it’s at cedar point… nah, at least a good handful of us are considering 15-20 different categories and factors when ranking these rides and not just jumping on the band wagon
Perfectly fair argument.
You make a lot of points that are going to make viewers questions your credibility. If you want to build your subscriber count, you might just stick to praising what you like about Iron Gwazi and Maverick and any others.
I understand those concerns. I don't care because I'm just expressing my opinion about Steel Vengeance. Just because I have a hot take regarding Steel Vengeance doesn't mean my credibility should be questioned. I've been to almost 50 parks across North America so I know what I'm talking about when it comes to theme park tips.
I think Iron Gwazi is extremely overrated personally, STEVE has the complete layout. I don’t like the 2 turnarounds IG has. The second half on STEVE is better than IG alone.
I'm biased towards Iron Gwazi because I've ridden it way more and waited for it for 7 years but, I respect your opinion.
its so funny how people say they respect your opinion but you say one bad thing about steel vengeance it's the end of the world
I don't mind. All it does is help the video perform better.
It is a properly rated ride at a highly overrated park. I don’t love it because it is at cedar point. I love it because it is an incredible ride.
Fair
TLDR; strong, incorrect opinions.
That's why they're called opinions. We all have them and they're all terrible.
If your goal is to Make the case that steel vengeance is the most overrated coaster in America, you need to have a much better case than what you've established. Comparing it against Maverick and iron Gwazi is a matter of taste and opinion. I can think of a very long list of 200 ft tall roller coasters that lack the intensity and airtime and smoothness that steel vengeance has. While I am partial to Maverick, I will openly admit the steel vengeance is a better coaster. I was able to marathon Maverick, I could not marathon steel vengeance.
Just curious, how could I explain how a ride is overrated without some form of comparison?
@@Southeastern_Thrills your problem is you're over exaggerating your comparison. You're comparing it against top level coasters. If for instance the average Morgan coaster or B&M coaster was hands down superior that would be much stronger case, But your argument that iron qwazi which is in many ways a sequel of their work is better is not a very strong foundation. A newer coaster made by the same company should be expected to be better in some capacities. You're trying to claim that it's over hyped because it's at cedar point. The fact is it's more intense and better than most RMCs are and it's better than most hyper coasters are.
@@colinschmitz8297 Steel Vengeance is a great ride. All I'm saying is that there are better coasters that have similar elements and forces to Steel Vengeance that are less talked about.
@@Southeastern_Thrills No. You literally said the most overrated coaster in America. If you want to change your title and edit it to your most recent statement, that would be an acceptable position, but when you're saying that it's the most overrated in America, you have to back that up with a stronger case than you have. Also what is the ratio of ones that are better than Steel Vengeance versus the coasters that it's superior to? The fact is in the category of 200 + foot coasters it's one of the most intense and best experiences. And of the RMC's, it's among the best.
Also in trying to make a case that a ride is overrated because it's at cedar point would be something more objectively obvious such as If rougarou was referred to as one of the best floorless coasters of all time. Rougarou is not And I don't think anyone considers it to be such.
@@colinschmitz8297 Trust me, there are other coasters that I like more than Steel Vengeance, such as Fury 325 and Velocicoaster. Also, I'm not changing my title or thumbnail because that would destroy the point of the video. I use strong claims to create an emotion from the audience. It's called effective marketing and it worked on you.
A poor imitation of the beast.
The Beast is way worse
@@Southeastern_Thrills it's one of the greatest rides ever. Nothing like it.
@@DeadCat-42 Back in 2019 it was terrible. I don't know how it's running today. The Beast is incredibly unique just boring.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but you don't get to ignore the laws of physics. There can be no steeper drop than 90 degrees. 91 degrees is 89 inverted so it's actually an 89 degree drop on Gwazi. No wonder you have 171 subscribers. Try being informed before you open your mouth and show the world your lack of knowledge. Thanks
I've taken geometry. I know 91 degrees is 89 degrees inverted. It's the same no matter how you choose to look at it.
maverick is bad compared to Steel Vengeance you're just saying this to be different.
@@LandensCoasters In my opinion it's not. I think the forces are so much stronger.
@@Southeastern_Thrills well maverick does put a lot of forces on you
Maverick is literally a small version of SV with a launch
@@brianstephenson8201 Maverick is way more intense and features insane laterals that Steel Vengeance doesn't have.
@@Southeastern_Thrills but Steel has better air time better length and overall better in general like when you look at it it looks intimidating that is what maverick doesn't give off
I wouldn't say it's overrated. It's one of my top five favorites for sure, but deep down, whether it's overrated or not depends on the rider and what they prefer overall.
@@mitchellries256 I understand.