Organizers: Ni or Si
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This is strengthened by the fact that for an ExxP the ‘revelation’ is opposite. Start saying “no” to things, disappoint people, because you’ve made a plan and you’re gonna stick to it damn it!
Exactly!!
As an INFP, my struggle is not being able to say no. I'd rather avoid people outright than say no to them.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm going through right now. I optimized my life to such a degree, that now I feel trapped.
Is it possible that this limitant obsession in what-if scenarios could be actually demon Ne? His savior Si prefering to do what worked before and his demon Ne imagining all the things that could go wrong if he try something new? As a Si/Ti, I relate to this.
That's exactly what I thought. I thought the "what-if" negative scenarios that he was running through sounded like demon Ne. I relate to what he said a lot.
But NE is gathering and flexible on the changes as it is adaptable to something new or possibilities.
I do that and I’m lead Ne.
Maybe everybody does that, but in a different way. For instance, savior Ni would do this in autopilot in order to plan things out, savior Ne would do this in autopilot in order to gather all the possibilities, demon Ni would do this in a anxious way when they're confronted with their lack of planning, and demon Ne would do this in a panic state when they're confronted with the chaos they've been trying to avoid.
u an isfj?
That's it. This video is what I have been needing. Limiting myself to the known, just because the unknown is so scary is what has been keeping my life at a halt. No more, Ni, you're not controlling me anymore
You know what's interesting, and I'm not completely sure if it's an Ni dominant thingor not, or even if it's an Ni savior thing, but every time I get depressed there can usually be two reasons, either the society in some way rejected me(that's my Te, I guess?) or because I'm stuck. And what I mean by "stuck" is in my own words as I put it every time "I see all the ways my life can go, all the possibilities...and in the end I get paralized and never choose any of them". Although as I'm writing this, I'm remembering a few really dark times in my life -so dark that I seriously considered ending my life- and those times really for me...I remember telling my friend that "I can't see anything for me in the future", it was like I usually do have a vision of my future and I'm going slowly in that direction, but at that time...nothing, coulsn't imagine a tomorrow to save my life...no dark pun intented. But I have always thought that that was the result of my depression and not the cause. But I don't know.
@@einsame_Maria I'm a self-typed INTJ, my daughter an INFP. She has this same (kind of) "defeatist" attitude at times, where she's convinced that there are absolutely no solutions to the problems, and she feels "frozen" and unable to make a decision b/c of worry about making the "right" one and unable to see a future. I, too, have some of this fear of the new/future, but it's quite frustrating to see it in other lead Nis, since i am usually able to objectively analyze myself out of it. She is not...perhaps this difficulty in overcoming the feeling of being overwhelmed might be harder in the NF combo? My T helps me enormously.
@@dday9433 no, it's usually not the problems because I think problems, especially other people's problems cuz I'm savior Te(I think), give me purpose, they get my mind going. It's more like, I think I just get stuck in a routine and, you know, it's the definition of insanity to do the same thing expecting a different result. I don't know how to explain this clearly, but it's like... If I suddenly lost my sight, because I usually see quite far ahead in the future, I have different plans prepared for different situations, I always keep imagining things, conversations, outcomes. But sometimes there comes a moment when there's this void in front of me, and I have always thought that was just a side effect of a deep depression. It doesn't happen often, so. I do though get depressed sometimes exactly because I see what's coming next and it's ain't pretty. But then again I try to remind myself that "nothing is set in stone". There's this anime called, One Piece, and a character a minor character, there once said something along the lines of "as long as you live, you can hope that better days are coming" and I just hold on to that quote when hard times come :)
That is literally the very definition of the ego's biggest fear, the unknown. Thus the ever so common fear of death, and all else.
You leaving Ni behind? ;) Would be cool to do that consciously, at least in theory it's applicable as a simulation, not more than that. Except of course, going down the 'deep end' beyond psychology, the psyche structure and its limitations.
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson yeah, as I said "No more Ni", I gave up on the idea of buying tickets to an Evanescence concert because it's in September and on my working day, and I know I might get ill or just not have energy to go, and concerts take too much energy out of me(yes, even if I'm sitting), so... Don't know about that)
As I've been getting older I've been feeling more Oi.
Building all these crazy systems is super helpful, but it comes at the cost of spontaneity. I've optimized everything in my life so well (actually really helpful) that it almost becomes an obsession where I can't enjoy just going out and doing nothing and having fun anymore.
Or maybe it's just because of the increase in responsibilities, who knows
Relate to the opposite.. saying yes to way too many things, and then the overwhelm of having to organize it all later.
true true true
Is it even possible to analyze our own functions? Doesn't our bias cloud or judgement to an unmanageable degree? I'm curious because as I try to think about my own stack all I can think about is how I've studied ENTP for the longest time and I'm wondering if the hours I've put into researching it is clouding my bias to be an ENTP...
I have the same problem as I thought I was an INFJ for the longest time, adn then I took a test again after years and it gave me INTJ, which put me on the path to finding out which one. And that's how I found this channel. I'm still of the opinion I'm an INTJ, seems to fit. But I try to always check with my family(the find it really annoying. Like, for the longest time I thought I was a "follow your heart" type of person, and when I told them that, they flat out laughed me in the face, saying how I'm the most "mind over heart" person in the family. I know, it might not be as reliable as someone who knows their way around functions and Objective Personality and typing, but it's still something to keep me in check
Essentially, catching yourself in your own bias is a lot like being a fourth wall breaking comic book character. Where you suddenly start to realize what exactly you're doing despite subconsciously doing it. I have a lot of moments in life where I don't think I'm an INTJ at all. One of the reasons being, my ISTP girlfriend tends to not like going outside a lot, while I leave the house as often as I can. However, it's a similar question I ask myself as you do of:
"Am I going out and gathering the new Sensory because I'm actually Se-dominant? Or is it because I nag myself to be active?" Because the truth is, when I go to the store, I already know what I'm buying before I go in and only buy whatever I said I would and nothing else. The ISTP I know starts off with the same intentions, but usually buys additional items that caught her interest. Se is very natural to her, so she doesn't have to peacock it like I do, forcing myself outside once a day.
Alice Margatroid that’s funny, I’m the opposite I’m INTJ and only leave the house when I have plans to do so, my ex boyfriend was ISTP, he was always off riding in to the sun set on his motorcycle, not a care in the world (it seemed). He helped me get out a lot.
I’m also curious about this, sometimes I spend so much time trying to figure out my functions that I don’t even know what the fuck I am and I forget to be me. I have to take breaks from this stuff completely in order to digest my thoughts on it. I still think I’m INTJ from all the heavy planning, and low Se qualities, but i had to stay away from all these damn videos for a while.
@@MusicCrackhead same. Self typed INTJ... but then I start to doubt myself and question everything and then I know it's time to take a break and process.
Goddamnit...that song is stuck in my head now. That dude in the back doing the squat and waving his hands rave style fucking killed me lol.
Wait, so the fact that I feel extremely guilty to break up a routine that I expect myself to live, day in and day out means that I'm saviour Oi? People have literally told me to live in the moment, just take everything as it comes, but I find it troublesome to live that way. I also end up watching the same movies, read the same paras from the same books, call for the same food online, etc. Does this mean I'm saviour organise? Since I find it difficult to be spontaneous?
Studying Probability and Statistics helped me a lot in my daily life way much more than I expected .. it helped me a lot to lower the usage of Ni by Ti
i will probably need to do this
Yes, Ne's watching this, you have the same problem of not "living in the moment," but that's because you're busy thinking about how to start a film studio or teach folk music anthropology or when to start your memoir. This guy probably just thinks about one thing all day every day.
And ne thinks ab 92972535787448393 thing a day ..
@@is2475 笑 笑
Could be wrong about this but if you have inferior SI like ENxP's you will have a fear of getting a bad experience which leads to a fear of trying new things.
Isn’t the ‘what if’ negative possibility train of thought lower Ne? In this video, they said it’s due to overuse of Ni. Not saying they’re wrong, just trying to understand. Can someone explain to me the difference between Demon Se & Ne?
I'm definitely not an expert but I too think that's inf Ne. Ni anxiety looks less like "what if, what if" and more like "oh god I'm gonna leave my house and end up dropping something on my way and everyone's gONNA LAUGH AT ME!". I imagine demon Se tying itself to Ni in a "Ok but, reality check, why would that happen?" way, where the Ni responds with "Idk I just know it's gonna happen".
I use to think I was an ISTP. i thought I was totally spontantious, I totally use SE. but the more I get into these functions I realize i'm and INTJ, and likey Fi dominate over Te, becuase i'm a selfish controling asshole that has a plan for everything. Oh and I hate suprises, they just undermine my plan, and now I have to start my planning over... Not to mention It doesn't matter what happens, because I know what it really means.
DESPISE surprises.
My ISTP friend sounds JUST LIKE THIS
@@kellikakes81 ISTPs and INTJs can look very similar externally. For example, a lot of times people think I am spontaneous when I just out of nowhere jump head first into something, but they don't see that I actually have been thinking about it for years and have calculated every possibility because I don't externalize it. I keep it to myself until it is "ready". So from an outside observer what I did was random and spontaneous. We also tend to have similar ways of communicating, etc.
No you sound like ISTP. Ti sounds about being always right about anything they analyzed. INTJs are more relaxed and look like arrogant but just trying to internalize everything with reasons. Te is more like Fe if mixed with Fi. (especially if Te is masculine)
@@janiholar2000 I actually got Typed as TiSe MF CPSB
This was the last video i needed, think i've got my type down from the 512 (or however many it is that you have) to intp Ti/Si, sleep/consume, masculin T, femenine S. Unless i'm missing anything?
Do you know what order the animals come in after sleep/consume? Like Sleep/Consume/Play/Blast or Sleep/Consume/Blast/Play?
@@DGolden247 as i'm Ti/Si i thought they were implicit ordered as i'd be Ti>Si>Ne>Fe, so Sleep/Consume/Blast/Play. or is that not the case?
I still think i'm demon blast/play because i enjoy teaching in small sessions.
i actually considered TI/Si for a while, but realized I CANNOT be dominant sleep. Im sure im demon sleep, but i dont know if im top consume/blast/play.
August Cornelius frost Schilling Hedegaard I wish I knew more about how to determine the last two, but for now that’s seems fairly reasonable to assume.
Remy B I mean it sounds like it makes sense? Make sure you’re tracking a consistent pattern where you see yourself choosing Blast over Play.
Isn't the "fear of the unknown" an inferior Ne thing? Thought he was lead Si ISTJ
Funny, that part about cutting all the zip ties the same way, while the Oe can't help but to keep changing it. Not only do I do everything the same way, but if I would actually later on figure out that a different way is better, I will often feel forced to go back and redo all the older ones to make sure they're all the same.
Combined with the other Oi aspect of preferring larger projects because doing the same thing for a long time is less chaotic, this tendency to completely start over is quite unfortunate. I think that's also a large part of why the Oi fears change: because change doesn't just mess up the future, but also the past. You feel responsible for going back to fix the past.
Well, maybe that's Oi. The perfectionism could also be Ti. I always find my Ni and Ti hard to pull apart.
I think that's an Ne thing. OTOH, Se has a big influence on aesthetics, and paired with Ti, it will influence form and function. Means I'm cutting all the zip ties the same, and they better be all laid out the same, too. The Ti part of this is "If you are going to do it, do it right or don't bother." In contrast my Si dad makes everything orderly for orderly's sake.
how to develop your Se as an Ni Savior?
Is it just buy using it, so learning new sensory stuff?
Before I got into this stuff (as a lead Ni) I found that doing Se-based hobbies really help my mental state. For instance, I recently took up landscape photography because it gets me out of the house and into nature, and forces me to pay attention to the details in my environment that I’d otherwise miss or ignore. But I’ve heard Dave say in other videos that powering down the Ni is key, which I interpret as doing things that get you out of your head, whatever that may be. Of course that’s easier said than done - I’m definitely still working on that
Ouch, when Shan said "Let me guess, living in the moment?" I winced back because that's been my life discovery and it's so predictable. I had to go to Buddhism to learn that.
same TT__TT that is why high Pi is actually attracted to meditation and spiritual practices, to actually live in the "now" and reduce anxiety. not to mention anxiety disorders and neurodivergence added on top of baseline personality.
He is ISTJ, he is rigid and do things 'known' and now just saying yes and letting go to scary unknown possibilities.
Nah demon Ne is in the state of panic, not in natural state
I would have a question about the animals... How do you know if someone is play consume or consume play... you could just say he is tribe above self and that why he is play consume or otherwise but double checking would be nice
I cannot get out of my house without planning to do something beforehand.
I am an ENTJ jumper but I find that under the chaos and adventure is rigid structure. It’s amazing that I am a “classic ENTJ” at the top of my field blah, blah, blah. There is a weird rigid anchor in me that allows my chaos to be more “creative” and it is not destructive.
His new videos have been so ridiculous. His channel is one of my favorite comedy channels now. I am waiting for him to go take ice baths in the Arctic like that other knucklehead.
@UA-cam Veterinarian Mike Chang who they were showing in this video.
I am terrified of doing new things or going new places and imagine a million ways things could go wrong. But I always thought I was lead Si demon Ne. How can one tell the difference?every vid ive watched on S vs N just makes me more confused lol.
The short answer is: S is about concrete facts, sensations and observation. N is about abstract ideas, possibilities, goals and imagination.
Si trusts in what worked before, concrete data acquired early, rules and tradition.
Ni trusts in long-term goals, detailed plans and intuition.
Ne seeks multiple possibilities and connections between different things.
Se seeks sensorial stimulation, physical sensations and concrete data.
As a savior Ni his demon Se shows in the final clip as a playful physicality. Si will show bursts of demon Ne as playful imagination. Consider what you do with children. As a secondary Ne user I tend to co-create outlandish stories with kids to entertain them, while my Se-demon friend consistently chooses to play video games and swing them by their arms.
@@Chatoyancify though, can't leading sensory also show in playful physicality i.e. Si dominant would also be the type to play video games, get together and physical with activities in some way?
+ Ni savior provides creativity and storytelling ability (especially in correlation with socionics Ni-Fe).
@@josehenriquefs888 yet in this video he shows trust in what's worked before for him, but they claim Ni dominant?
Gonna have ti disagree with u guys on a point.
You said its his NI that makes him fearful towards posibilities but i thinks its inferior NE.
Yeah.
Yeah I get confused about this a lot. The gym youtuber talks exactly what an ISTJ would encountering with his Ne.
Fr Si dom/Ne inf is so obvious I don't understand how they thought INxJ
@@lux4785 No it's Se inferior, fear of the new (unknown) and unfamiliar sensory. "I actually wanted to try so many new things", meaning he wanted to Se. "We know what to do with the things we've done before but the things we haven't (Se) done before we don't know what to expect....anything could happen". Sensory is his problem, not intuition. For Si doms, intuition is the problem, not sensory.
@@drwizarrd4421 it could also be Si processing Ne fears through the physical realm
Si dom are, too, uncomfortable of the unusual and avoid it (even though they'd like to try and do it)
According to you, is the unreasonable fear of one single disease almost hypochondriac-like a Si dom(or)inferior or Ni dom(or)inf trait ?
As an E..P - my growth is saying NOOOO! Haha
It didn’t sound like he was saying he felt “safe” with the known, it sounded like he was disappointed in his creation of a routine/disappointed in that sort of organizing and tired of the “known”...he felt restricted by his organizing function, didn’t like it, and felt better moving away from it - doesn’t that make his organizing function the demon function?
0:46 So that's why I've replayed a seven-hour story game twenty times, and I don't like new games
This Mike sounds more like Si-Ne. Never come across a Ni that talks like this, but Si? So, so many examples.
agreed
This guy is an Si Dom in my opinion.
agreed
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ok i dont know objective personality's model or terminology. But what are they trying to say his type is???
INTJ or INFJ, i think INTJ
@@endgamez7621 k thanks. That's a fair typing
@@17x71 damn surprised u repiled
i think he's istj
Trying to understand why the comic vid is low Se?
maybe he used more Si, because his demon seems to be Ne (what could go possebly wrong)? its llike his mind chained him
I have a friend who is 20 and she said the exact same thing so Im curious if she is Si/Ne dom(bc I can support her better) So is the guy in the video actually Ni? he is not guessing, he looked at his past and was so specific nd shure also he has not seen, maybe because it was his life discovery and he put a lot of thougt into it, is he even valuing intuition over sensory ,
Im not an expert but I think intuitives are less specific(?), idk what I am, have this a little less but when I talk about my past its like: meh that thing was bad anyways I want to do this now lets focus on that we can do better we have no time to look back, sounds weird it is bc I hate it that I cant learn from my past bc I dont value it as much, also I would have never thought of including statistic like factual data, but my friend respects this much more, is this a more sensory thing? I have seen this in my reasearch about ISTJ functions, maybe he is more ST, (is there a chance u misetyped the function because of ur blindspots?) any thoughts or can someone explain me why I could be wrong?
Im curios, best wishes (sorry for grammer, not a native, I try though)
Geez, failed marriage... awe man! I got to go back and figure out where I went wrong!? 😂 I’d rather live in misery with what’s familiar. Please, life, stop pushing me out of the bubble!
Sounds like an example of someone that is more unbalanced naturally since I can't relate much even if though lead organize... maybe also be consume last- that would do it.
The title must be Organizers: Ni AND Si. It never discussed Ni or Si. ISTJ disappointed.
OK, OK, so if I have had to learn to say NO to things does that mean I'm Gather Savior?
Depends on why you have had to learn to say no. As savior Fe I've learned the same things but it's to prevent burnout.
I'm shook.
I just remembered being so sleep deprieved and my teacher was saying people must have religion in order to be good, that topic is sensitive at my place and i just said taaaaaaak (nope) and i prolly thought of (screw that) i dunno how to distinguish N and S yet shoot i said that out loud, to be continued she Ti ed me down
how is this dominant Ni, when he frequently references what he knows and likes, and the "what if" scenarios are caused by inferior Ne, not Se?
this guy is most likely an Si dom.
This very heard to figure out. I like new ideas. For me to learn I need a place to put it. I like unknown unless it’s me doing something. Could be I’m just lazy. So your thinking cool Ne then you thinking that’s Si pair. Where that a pattern in my life? What on earth do I organize? Ok I group things though. When you want to buy something do you go more info or what do I know? I don’t know, the cheapest that gets me what I want. I do like to find something that will narrow things down to only one. And if I can’t do that outsource it. that an Ni demand then?
This hits so hard
I related to the person in the video i just said the same exact thing inside my head last night !
It’s interesting being someone with Ni and ADHD, lol. I find myself seeking order yet I’m ALSO impulsive, comparatively spontaneous, and tend to live in the moment (at the expense of long-term goals, which is especially agonizing since my “true” drive is centered around lofty, long-term goals). One advantage is that I think it might make me a -bit- more in touch with my demon Se? Also, what type is this guy? He kind of reminds me of myself when I’m in a suuuuper good mood, lol.
Chrysanthemum in the Box do you mean davesuperpowers because I was talking about the guy in the video
yup, same
this guy is probably typed by them as savior Ni, but i think he seems savior Si..
So... he is ENFJ Fe Ni? He talks about what others feel alot
probably IxFJ
Te and Fe organize
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Right, so the zip line example is an excellent example of whether you're saviour or gather. Whenever I play FIFA, you have to set up your football team according to a formation before you play the match. And I always end up choosing one formation only, because I know it works for me. So in the game, with every team I choose to manage, I choose to buy players that fit into that formation. And I don't change it around unless it's absolutely necessary. I think I prefer to organize over gather, but I'm fairly balanced between the two. I'm generally uncomfortable with expressing myself emotionally. I hate it
I say no a lot.....uhg