I'm a fan of the SRAM group set. I'm running 2012 Red on my Tarmac SL4 and SRAM AXS on my SL7. But I have to say that the most comfortable hoods I have ever laid my hands on are the Campagnolo ones.
Well done for getting Campagnolo Super Record! Why does everyone keep slagging off Campagnolo? Funny how it win's Grand Tours! I never do boring or ugly, and hate jealousy from people! I don't find Campagnolo that expensive compared to other things out there like cars.
I ordered my new bike with the Campa EPS though the new Wireless is out since 2 Weeks and also available. But it would be 300,- €more expensive and I got I very good discount on the EPS now. Also, I have chosen that one because I love the thumb levers. The new handles are not as comfortable as the old ones and also you need LONG fingers to reach the lower shifting lever. Both are now very low. Impossible for people (females) with small hands. Spare parts for the EPS will be available for many years. Today you still get parts for Campas of the early 90s..☺️👍
I have worked on campy hydraulics, and they are by far the best system to work on brakes wise. I love the Shimano satellite shifters, and it is a shame campy does not have similar. Going to build a classic steel frame bike with campy, but my race bikes are Shimano. Great overview of the system, but not enough to convert me from di2 right now.
Hi Ronald, great review and I am a big Campa fan myself and use Bora Wheels and Chorus 11Sp mechanical. Both in their fifth year and without any problems. What you didn´t mention is the price comparison among the three. My understanding is that SR is quite a bit more expensive than the other two, do you consider the diff. worth it?
Ok smartass, those bikes are just as “Chinese” as this one, plus more expensive, heavier, less practical and less aero, so tell me again what’s overrated now.
Hm from an aesthetical point of view, i would rather run the original campy cranks and swap in a stages powermeter. It is almost no weight penalty, and i can t tell much difference to the other powermeters i used before. Works just flawless for me. Performance wise i think all 3 top end groupsets work perfectly. I still like Red AXS the most about ergonomics and simplicity, despite it looks like it is the least efficient.
Quark is also only +|- 1,5 % accurate in measuring. Implementing a strain gauge is not rocket science secret tech… Only downside with stages is the loss of left/right balance. If you really need this, it is not an option of corse. Just a bit sad to use _the most_ beautiful groupset on earth, and then ruining the looks. But i get your point in pure performance focus.
Buying a stages campy crank to remove a quarq is a downgrade , a very expensive one , to performance is more beneficial a super precise pm than a few grams lighter crank In my opinion there two only campag worthy powermeeter cranks The smartest : Srm origin with campagnolo optimised origin chainrings (and a carbon crank if you have extra money ) The most beautiful but really expensive and no sense : Campagnolo srm ultra torque crank You could check also power to max but the price difference is not so big
I've used at least 3-4 different Quarqs over the years- from the Cinqou to the Elsa and Riken over a period of 5-6 years. Power Tap P1's for 4 years, and Assioma Duo's for 3 seasons. The combo of Campagnolo crank + Assioma Duo pedals work best for me.
as you use it with a third party crank (Quark) as well: I have a fsa (power2max) crankset with rotor chainrings - any experience how it would work with EPS 12? Shift quality? I use 180mm cranks and therefore changing to a Campagnolo crankset (or any other new model) is not an option, but I would like buy the Super Record EPS...
@@ronykuba thank you for the quick answer! Sorry, my question was not correct🙈 - as you wrote, the FSA chainrings have been really bad (in fact the worst shifting rings I ever had), so I changed them to Rotor noQ rings, they work much better. A very specific question, I know... but I'm a bit worried because with electronic shifting you cannot fix anything if it doesn't work well, I think. But as I understand, according to your experience it should be worth trying?
@@ronykuba hm... not in every case according to my experience. With the FSA chainrings I dropped the chain often when shifting to the big ring - though the front mech was adjusted very carefully; I tried with a Campagnolo crankset (without changing anything at the front mech) and it worked perfect. So I ditched the FSA chainrings and replaced them with Rotor noQ's and now it works fine also with the power meter cranks (again without adjusting anything). So I believe the chainrings does have an influence on the shifting performance as well... that was the reason for my question...
@@fiddleronthebike yes, but that’s not specific to electronic groupsets. What I meant to say that if the parts are correct, then it’s just a matter of adjustment. I didn’t understand what you meant by “cannot fix anything if it doesn’t work well”.
You can fix the cable rattle by putting a few small tie straps on the cable and not cut the excess tie strap. Also, make sure you use the plastic cage that comes with the battery. The plastic cage protects the wiring harness from the crank axel. The people who built my bike left off the plastic cage, and the crank axel rubbed through the battery cable. I had to buy a new battery assembly ($600 USD). The shop refused to make things right.
Disappointing in so much you buy a Super Record groupset then swop-out the jockey wheels, don't use the chainset, so not actually not to ..a Campagnolo specification... bit Heath Robinson, futher more with experience and the correct Campagnolo tools and procedures I would say for example the hydraulic brake hose's are very straight forward to install....
Please show me the correct Campagnolo tool that automatically puts all of the cockpit parts of the SL7 in place while simultaneously pulling out both brake hoses at the same time without kinking, tangling or excessive/insufficient length and also guiding the wiring so it doesn’t get damaged. Thank you.
Why are you running Shimano dura ace chainring ? Is it really possibile? There are any benefits ? I own a super record mech and an srm origin with aluminium origin campagnolo chainrings, I saw marc hirschi(that uses an origin instead of the campagnolo srm model ) running dura ace chairings with campy eps , should I start planning this upgrade ? 🤔
Oh dear, i click in the video because i like your content, but you give me a light about noises with hydraulic shimano brakes! I changed one disc rotor of my bike thinking that it's the problem, but, with the new rotor in a hard descend, the noise is back again... i didn't know about the pistons issue! At least, i already know what's happening when i hear that annoying sound again. Cheers from Colombia.
I used to be a Campy only fanboy years ago. But I am not a fan of carbon components and I feel the material has its limits for durability. For an example the Shimano Dura-Ace rear derailleur uses a carbon pulley cage, I broke mine after one month and I have been waiting 3 months for a new part to repair it and now told it has a ETA sometime in September. At the same time I ordered the part I also ordered a new Dura-Ace RD because I need a bike to ride, that was $700 on top of the $110 for the cage part. I've broken lots and lots of carbon components over the years and I'm done with it. Shimano also is supposed to have an issue with their cranksets failing so I have got my hands on a Vintage Campagnolo Gran Sport crankset from 1985 which I am machining the teeth on the rings to match that of the Dura-Ace rings. It may be a hevier crankset but weight doesn't matter to me anymore because I don't race anymore. I just want my bike to exercise and to function like a modern bike. I personally would like to see bike manufacturers bring back the looks of the vintage era because I think there still is a demand for it. Unless I was made of money I would never buy the new Campy stuff.
That’s a little bit backwards, as metal parts have a limited fatigue life, while composites don’t. If you break something on impact, that’s hardly the fault of the part or the material.
Nice review! Campagnolo has started using connection link with their new Ekar gravel groupset, so probably soon they will use no pin anymore. maybe own connection link are coming for 12 speed road version.
This was an excelent review that was concise and yet pointed out all the similarities and differences between the three groupsets that are important to know. Thanks! I myself have been riding mechanical Campa groupsets for 20 years and very much prefer the ergonomics of the Campa shifters over the other two. I have a Shimano GRX 800 on my city commuter which is a good groupset as well and I have been riding the DA Di2 on Mallorca last year. The up- and downshifters on the Di2 are very close to each other, which is no big problem in warm weather, but I imagine on winter rides with gloves this might be pretty difficult to reliably push the correct button. I also don't really understand the appeal of electronic shifting as a good mechanical shifting is just as precise and fast - and yet I have ordered a DeRosa SK Pininfarina with Super Record EPS yesterday because the price offer was just too good to pass by. As you have experience with both mechanical and electronic shifting, is it possible to switch up/down several gears at once with the EPS like it was with the mechanical Campa groupsets? Or do you have to click through?
Great review. Thanks. I think I would enjoy most the campy hoods which are bigger than those of others. I didn’t seriously consider campy because of the price (went with DA). I think lot of people that buy campy do so for sentimental reasons towards the brand and I guess to have something more unique. Again, great review. Hope to see you at next olympics Champ :)
I'm thinking I might switch too because the next Shimano stuff doesn't look so good from images I've seen so far. The only thing I'm not sure about is the thumb shifters.
Theirs wtos and wtos ultra wheels are very good overall wheels also . Especially with 25mm tires on. Great hubs geometry. Cups and cones not my favorite but theirs are efficient. No tubeless tape required. Could be a little wider.
Thank you for the excellent review! Are the front chainring and crankset SRAM's, with QUARQ power meter? Do they work well together with Campagnolo's front mech?
The indexing would be off (contrary to popular belief the spacings are not the same) and if a user needs to run 48/32, the Campagnolo Chorus 12s chainset offers that option plus the correct chainring spacing and chainrings that are correctly ramped and pinned to allow fast, accurate shifting with a Campagnolo 12s chain ...
Hi Roland, are you using a power meter with your campi? I'm building up a new bike and considering campi. Using right now pedal power (Vector) meter but thougt I might switch to another system,
Ι had told you that EPS has better ratio . You are a fast man so you have to go 55/42 front, 11/34 rear . 55 to 7 straight 17-16-15-14-13-12-11 is the way to go and there would be a 42/34 for steep climbs .
Eps supports only 11-29 and 11-32 cassettes If you wanna use the 11-34 cassette you need a mechanical campagnolo groupset Anyway , 39-32 =34-28 and 39-34=34-30 so if you have a decent legs with eps you can forget compact chainrings and use only standard or mid compact chainrings , if you have mechanical you use standard chainrings in 95 % of cases Nobody produce tt gearing for campagnolo, big chainrings for the campagnolo super record crankset are supplied by campy only to professional teams and no third party builds a big chainrings for normal cranks (bcd110/130 ) optimised for campy
@@gpanoutsak the idea is smart from a friction point of view, but is really hard to achieve on campag , since 55/42 chainrings specifically optimised for campagnolo do not exist by any third party brand and campy do not produce anything larger than 53/39 for their proprietary crank
Wow! Sweet Ron. I’ve always had Super Record mechanical loved it. The level of craftsmanship close up is superb. I’ve been really happy with my SRAM Red AXS with CermamicSoeed OS pulleys and BB. I agree with close pad alignment with SRAM. Especially when you want to quickly change wheel-sets. Keep us posted as you get some time with it.
Best disc brakes of all groupsets. If you begin to mismatch trickstuff with shimano levers are great albeit expensive. Hope are very plasticky no Bueno .
Nice review. Good insights. Campy is so beautiful and jewel like. I used the SR11 EPS, but never installed it. I switched to DA on my current bike because in 2018, Shimano had better hydraulic discs then. But I do experience the ticking and squealing. I tried a friend’s SR12 EPS, and it’s really nice…the disc rotors are heavier, but understand it does not wrap as easily as DA IceTech rotors.
I love campy mechanical group sets. For EPS, I have used 3 sets of them before, 2 of them ended up faulty. Gave me way too much anxieties so I loved back to mechanical
Hi there Rony! Nice review as always. We wait for part 2 where you gonna mention the mobile connectivity that this groupset has and all the features 😉 Also the noise in the cockpit can be fixed. I had the same issues with my venge. I'm pretty sure you know how to fix it 🙂 Much love from Cyprus!
Great breakdown of everything! Really well explained. Im curious though as to why you are sticking with using the duraace chainrings. Not sure if you covered it and i missed it. Keep up the great videos. Super bling bike 😎
Looks like he's using a Quarq power meter, doesn't Campagnolo have a different BCD than Shimano 4 arm? In the end if it works it works. Saves money as well if you already have the power meter, cranks are usually a big chunk of the groupset price.
@@ronykuba The front shifting generally runs even better on Campagnolo 12v rings as the chain plates are shaped specifically to pick up on the ramps and pins that Campagnolo use - I have fitted Quark and other cranksets in the past though and they;ve worked well, the Campag rings work better under high applied torque values though. You also need to consider warranty - use of non-Campag components such as a quick link in the chain, the SC extended cage etc voids warranty automatically.
@@jonathanzappala Um, apart from my other technical roles with Campagnolo, I am their warranty manager in the UK ... so I can absolutely assure you that Campagnolo do warranty chain in the incredibly small number of cases where the claim is valid. Removal of the batch code (which you can't avoid if you put a quick-link in) is an automatic warranty void.
@@graemefk6519good for you guys then, but still a small number of valid claims. I’d rather pay for a new one than give up waxing. I’m already taking the chance reusing the link every time. (I’m not on campy)
A little bit of rattling?! LOL! If that is how it sounds in the beginning, I can guess how it will progress over time as materials wear a bit or things shift inside the frame due to bumps, etc. Thanks for this review...due to the rattling and other stuff that you pointed out, I think I will stay away from Campy and stick to perhaps DA Di2 for the next road setup.
@@ronykuba I am not saying that it won't happen with Di2 because I had some cabling making a slight scraping sound along the downtube every time I stood and sprinted hard. That died off after a couple of months as the bike wore in. I am just thinking that with even more cabling such as with Campy that it would be even worse.
From the UK's longest-established Factory-Appointed Service Centre - thanks for the review! Just to answer this point about cable rattle as we see it commented upon a lot with both EPS and Di2 ... Cable rattle is quite easily fixed with Campagnolo and with Shimano in most frames. They can both suffer to some extent from it, unless action of some sort it taken, although TBH, I've never found it much of an issue in the one frame I own, where I couldn't use the fix below and none of my customers have commented in the case of frames where I couldn't use the fix noted - I have lost count of the number of EPS installations I have done since 2010, it must be 100+ by now, easily, not including the ones I do for training purposes with mechanics who come in for Campagnolo training at the Service Centre ... There are some frames where this method can't be used, frames where there is no access to the tubes via the BB shell. Some older Specialized frames with OSBB for instance, have voids around the BB shell which you can guide a cable around, but nothing any bulkier or stiffer and don't have a way to access the tubes through the BB shell, it's a solid alloy sleeve all the way through the BB shell. It takes a few minutes more to do this on installation but it's something that for the most part is only done once, so it's not really a big issue. Run the cable guide kit in from the port where the cable will emerge, which is where it will need to be anyway, to draw the cable up inside the tube. Then, run a piece of light, thin, silicone tubing with an ID around 8mm up that cable. Finally, use the cable guide kit as normal, to bring the cable from the PU up to the port. That way, the wiring is enclosed in a silicone sleeve - it won't rattle. The bike builder will need to use silicone that is of small enough diameter to allow it up inside the down tube or to it inside most of the length of the chainstay but with a big enough ID to let the plug pass (nominally 7mm but I'd suggest 8mm is better), bearing in mind that sometimes access into these frame members is of restricted size. This is a better solution than using small cable ties (which we have seen done quite frequently) as these can be difficult to extract if you do ever need to take the PU out, plus they can snag easily when routing the cable and if pulled too tight, can damage the multi-core cable inside.
I love my Campy EPS4 super Record. So glad to see someone putting Campy on a bike.
Tears of joy 😊 lol.
Thank you for the video and the thorough insight into Campagnolo EPS - there aren't many reviews out there.
Cheers!
switched to super record mechanical by curiosity and it's not bad at all.
Thank you for this review. Not enough people review a current Campagnolo EPS.
Cheers!
I'm a fan of the SRAM group set. I'm running 2012 Red on my Tarmac SL4 and SRAM AXS on my SL7.
But I have to say that the most comfortable hoods I have ever laid my hands on are the Campagnolo ones.
Yup, incredibly comfortable
For certain.. the most ergonomic ones are and have always been Campy
Well done for getting Campagnolo Super Record!
Why does everyone keep slagging off Campagnolo?
Funny how it win's Grand Tours!
I never do boring or ugly, and hate jealousy from people!
I don't find Campagnolo that expensive compared to other things out there
like cars.
Thanks. Currently the price is the same as the other groupsets.
I ordered my new bike with the Campa EPS though the new Wireless is out since 2 Weeks and also available. But it would be 300,- €more expensive and I got I very good discount on the EPS now. Also, I have chosen that one because I love the thumb levers. The new handles are not as comfortable as the old ones and also you need LONG fingers to reach the lower shifting lever. Both are now very low. Impossible for people (females) with small hands. Spare parts for the EPS will be available for many years. Today you still get parts for Campas of the early 90s..☺️👍
I would also choose the older version
I have worked on campy hydraulics, and they are by far the best system to work on brakes wise. I love the Shimano satellite shifters, and it is a shame campy does not have similar. Going to build a classic steel frame bike with campy, but my race bikes are Shimano. Great overview of the system, but not enough to convert me from di2 right now.
Thanks for the comment
i own a 90$ bike idk why i watched this none of this will apply to my bike loool
Get a sec
Get a second job….if you want Campy. I like Shimano.
@@johnyang1420 i would literally burn myself working under the sun just to earn 10$ a day
What brand of wheels are those? :-)
😂😂
…HED
Big mistake. You're campy for life now.
we will see :)
We all know the real reason you got EPS is so that you aren't stuck with an 11 speed shimano groupset when 12 speed comes out :)
No one needs 12 speed on a road bikes 🤣
Umm... not really
Or disc brakes, or any gears, or a power meter, or aero frames and wheels. It’s not about NEED though
@@Buckwheatrider wrong
@@ronykuba Its about passion….which is important!!! Most people have zero passion for anything!
my campy sr and campy record on two bikes required no maintenance at all for years, unlike my shimano groupsets.
Very nice review. I believe the super record cassette is not only steel, but some of it is titanium too.
Hi Ronald, great review and I am a big Campa fan myself and use Bora Wheels and Chorus 11Sp mechanical. Both in their fifth year and without any problems. What you didn´t mention is the price comparison among the three. My understanding is that SR is quite a bit more expensive than the other two, do you consider the diff. worth it?
Thanks. With the current prices it’s not more expensive than the other two.
Simple answer:“because money doesn't matter to you“ 🤷🏻♂️😂😂😂
Should I be ashamed that I can afford bicycle parts now, or what is it that you are implying?
Omg! Campy super record on a super overrated bike. Get a pinarello, look, or colnago! It should be a law not to put campy on a Chinese bike! Lol
Ok smartass, those bikes are just as “Chinese” as this one, plus more expensive, heavier, less practical and less aero, so tell me again what’s overrated now.
@@ronykuba My Look 765 RS was made mostly in France -
Is record EPS as good just heavier like the mechanical groupsets ? Would you say better than ultegra di ?
There is no Record EPS in production at the moment.
"why I switched to Campagnolo"... so I can make a video. We all know.
you are complaining like you paid for it
where do you put the battery? Can you use EPS with an older frame?
In the seatpost. An “older frame” is quite a broad definition, so I can’t really answer that part.
I never liked the Campy thumbshifter. Sram double tap creates missed shift. Shimano is best….1 lever for up….1 for down. Shimano is best for me.
Hm from an aesthetical point of view, i would rather run the original campy cranks and swap in a stages powermeter. It is almost no weight penalty, and i can t tell much difference to the other powermeters i used before. Works just flawless for me.
Performance wise i think all 3 top end groupsets work perfectly. I still like Red AXS the most about ergonomics and simplicity, despite it looks like it is the least efficient.
I’d rather base my training on a Quarq than aesthetics
Quark is also only +|- 1,5 % accurate in measuring. Implementing a strain gauge is not rocket science secret tech…
Only downside with stages is the loss of left/right balance. If you really need this, it is not an option of corse.
Just a bit sad to use _the most_ beautiful groupset on earth, and then ruining the looks. But i get your point in pure performance focus.
@@jadawinblack1555 it’s quite pointless to have a 1.5% Left side measurement when the balance varies from 54/46 to 50/50 based on the intensity.
Buying a stages campy crank to remove a quarq is a downgrade , a very expensive one , to performance is more beneficial a super precise pm than a few grams lighter crank
In my opinion there two only campag worthy powermeeter cranks
The smartest :
Srm origin with campagnolo optimised origin chainrings (and a carbon crank if you have extra money )
The most beautiful but really expensive and no sense :
Campagnolo srm ultra torque crank
You could check also power to max but the price difference is not so big
I've used at least 3-4 different Quarqs over the years- from the Cinqou to the Elsa and Riken over a period of 5-6 years. Power Tap P1's for 4 years, and Assioma Duo's for 3 seasons. The combo of Campagnolo crank + Assioma Duo pedals work best for me.
as you use it with a third party crank (Quark) as well: I have a fsa (power2max) crankset with rotor chainrings - any experience how it would work with EPS 12? Shift quality? I use 180mm cranks and therefore changing to a Campagnolo crankset (or any other new model) is not an option, but I would like buy the Super Record EPS...
Shift quality was great with the Shimano rings - but those are excellent as such, unlike FSA.
@@ronykuba thank you for the quick answer! Sorry, my question was not correct🙈 - as you wrote, the FSA chainrings have been really bad (in fact the worst shifting rings I ever had), so I changed them to Rotor noQ rings, they work much better. A very specific question, I know... but I'm a bit worried because with electronic shifting you cannot fix anything if it doesn't work well, I think. But as I understand, according to your experience it should be worth trying?
@@fiddleronthebike I’m not really sure what you’re asking here. If it doesn’t work well, it means it’s adjusted poorly.
@@ronykuba hm... not in every case according to my experience. With the FSA chainrings I dropped the chain often when shifting to the big ring - though the front mech was adjusted very carefully; I tried with a Campagnolo crankset (without changing anything at the front mech) and it worked perfect. So I ditched the FSA chainrings and replaced them with Rotor noQ's and now it works fine also with the power meter cranks (again without adjusting anything). So I believe the chainrings does have an influence on the shifting performance as well... that was the reason for my question...
@@fiddleronthebike yes, but that’s not specific to electronic groupsets. What I meant to say that if the parts are correct, then it’s just a matter of adjustment.
I didn’t understand what you meant by “cannot fix anything if it doesn’t work well”.
how bout zoom in?
You can fix the cable rattle by putting a few small tie straps on the cable and not cut the excess tie strap. Also, make sure you use the plastic cage that comes with the battery. The plastic cage protects the wiring harness from the crank axel. The people who built my bike left off the plastic cage, and the crank axel rubbed through the battery cable. I had to buy a new battery assembly ($600 USD). The shop refused to make things right.
There are better solutions for that, I just didn’t know in advance that this would be an issue
Disappointing in so much you buy a Super Record groupset then swop-out the jockey wheels, don't use the chainset, so not actually not to ..a Campagnolo specification... bit Heath Robinson, futher more with experience and the correct Campagnolo tools and procedures I would say for example the hydraulic brake hose's are very straight forward to install....
Please show me the correct Campagnolo tool that automatically puts all of the cockpit parts of the SL7 in place while simultaneously pulling out both brake hoses at the same time without kinking, tangling or excessive/insufficient length and also guiding the wiring so it doesn’t get damaged. Thank you.
Why are you running Shimano dura ace chainring ? Is it really possibile? There are any benefits ? I own a super record mech and an srm origin with aluminium origin campagnolo chainrings, I saw marc hirschi(that uses an origin instead of the campagnolo srm model ) running dura ace chairings with campy eps , should I start planning this upgrade ? 🤔
Because I already had them. As you can see it is possible.
Oh dear, i click in the video because i like your content, but you give me a light about noises with hydraulic shimano brakes! I changed one disc rotor of my bike thinking that it's the problem, but, with the new rotor in a hard descend, the noise is back again... i didn't know about the pistons issue! At least, i already know what's happening when i hear that annoying sound again. Cheers from Colombia.
Cheers !
Thanks for the detailed evaluation. I see a Quarq power meter on the bicycle
Can we use the Quarq power meter crankset on Campagnolo 12 speed?
As you can see, we can
I used to be a Campy only fanboy years ago. But I am not a fan of carbon components and I feel the material has its limits for durability. For an example the Shimano Dura-Ace rear derailleur uses a carbon pulley cage, I broke mine after one month and I have been waiting 3 months for a new part to repair it and now told it has a ETA sometime in September. At the same time I ordered the part I also ordered a new Dura-Ace RD because I need a bike to ride, that was $700 on top of the $110 for the cage part. I've broken lots and lots of carbon components over the years and I'm done with it. Shimano also is supposed to have an issue with their cranksets failing so I have got my hands on a Vintage Campagnolo Gran Sport crankset from 1985 which I am machining the teeth on the rings to match that of the Dura-Ace rings. It may be a hevier crankset but weight doesn't matter to me anymore because I don't race anymore. I just want my bike to exercise and to function like a modern bike. I personally would like to see bike manufacturers bring back the looks of the vintage era because I think there still is a demand for it. Unless I was made of money I would never buy the new Campy stuff.
That’s a little bit backwards, as metal parts have a limited fatigue life, while composites don’t. If you break something on impact, that’s hardly the fault of the part or the material.
Nice review! Campagnolo has started using connection link with their new Ekar gravel groupset, so probably soon they will use no pin anymore. maybe own connection link are coming for 12 speed road version.
Thanks!
You wanted just to look cool, then you have changed. nothing related to specs or sport :) , sorry.
Running a bike shop involves trying bike parts, you know
Hoods are huuuuuuge
Campy is narrower, I find it's a more natural fit than shimano
This was an excelent review that was concise and yet pointed out all the similarities and differences between the three groupsets that are important to know. Thanks!
I myself have been riding mechanical Campa groupsets for 20 years and very much prefer the ergonomics of the Campa shifters over the other two. I have a Shimano GRX 800 on my city commuter which is a good groupset as well and I have been riding the DA Di2 on Mallorca last year. The up- and downshifters on the Di2 are very close to each other, which is no big problem in warm weather, but I imagine on winter rides with gloves this might be pretty difficult to reliably push the correct button.
I also don't really understand the appeal of electronic shifting as a good mechanical shifting is just as precise and fast - and yet I have ordered a DeRosa SK Pininfarina with Super Record EPS yesterday because the price offer was just too good to pass by.
As you have experience with both mechanical and electronic shifting, is it possible to switch up/down several gears at once with the EPS like it was with the mechanical Campa groupsets? Or do you have to click through?
Saying electronic shifting has no appeal is quite ignorant. It shifts as long as you hold the button, unless programmed otherwise.
@@ronykuba didn't say it has no appeal, only that I did not get it after trying it.
Great review. Thanks. I think I would enjoy most the campy hoods which are bigger than those of others. I didn’t seriously consider campy because of the price (went with DA). I think lot of people that buy campy do so for sentimental reasons towards the brand and I guess to have something more unique. Again, great review. Hope to see you at next olympics Champ :)
Cheers! One thing I forgot to mention is that with the current prices, it’s not actually any more expensive than Shimano or Sram.
I'm thinking I might switch too because the next Shimano stuff doesn't look so good from images I've seen so far. The only thing I'm not sure about is the thumb shifters.
They’re great if you get used to them
Theirs wtos and wtos ultra wheels are very good overall wheels also . Especially with 25mm tires on. Great hubs geometry. Cups and cones not my favorite but theirs are efficient. No tubeless tape required. Could be a little wider.
Their* WTO wheel sets ...
gorgeous bike. When did this one turn up? It's different than the SL7 you got earlier in the year, at least the color is.
Not so long ago
Great review! I can’t wait for my new build once I get my new SWorks Atheos frame paired with the EPS. Nice workaround with the SRAM master link!
Thanks!
Thank you for the excellent review! Are the front chainring and crankset SRAM's, with QUARQ power meter? Do they work well together with Campagnolo's front mech?
Cheers. Yes it works well
Sram all the way.
Very expensive comparing to dura ace.
Without any bonus
At the current prices, it’s not more expensive. The bonuses are discussed in the video and they’re not insignificant.
Hi
Hey Ronald - can you do a video on your bike geometry body measurements?
I can’t see how that would be relevant or useful to anyone, but I could.
You can run sram axs cassette and flattop chain with campy with 48/32 rings and get best of both world
Sorry but I can’t see how that would make any sense. The flattop chain is much less efficient, not to mention the tiny rings.
The indexing would be off (contrary to popular belief the spacings are not the same) and if a user needs to run 48/32, the Campagnolo Chorus 12s chainset offers that option plus the correct chainring spacing and chainrings that are correctly ramped and pinned to allow fast, accurate shifting with a Campagnolo 12s chain ...
What stem do you use (length, angle)? looks nicely slammed :)
130mm 12deg
If only I could find a 12 speed eps then I would buy it !!!
I have one :)
Liking the setup supper clean. What frame size is the SL7?
Thanks. 52cm
Hi Roland, are you using a power meter with your campi? I'm building up a new bike and considering campi. Using right now pedal power (Vector) meter but thougt I might switch to another system,
Yes
@@ronykuba Hi Roland: Which brand are you using? I've seen power2max ng works. Are other brands working as well?
@@reneschuermann6106 Quarq is the best
@@ronykuba are you using quarq with 11v shimano plates in campagnolo 12v?
@@reoxxr9693 yes
Thanks for the review! Using the Campagnolo Super Record EPS groupset for my Wilier Filante SLR build. 😁
Cheers!
The real reason is , you are a Rich man
You don’t need to be rich to buy bike parts.
@@ronykuba yeah right....
Ι had told you that EPS has better ratio . You are a fast man so you have to go 55/42 front, 11/34 rear . 55 to 7 straight 17-16-15-14-13-12-11 is the way to go and there would be a 42/34 for steep climbs .
Cool idea? I like the big cogs and big chainrings!!!!
Eps supports only 11-29 and 11-32 cassettes
If you wanna use the 11-34 cassette you need a mechanical campagnolo groupset
Anyway , 39-32 =34-28 and 39-34=34-30
so if you have a decent legs with eps you can forget compact chainrings and use only standard or mid compact chainrings , if you have mechanical you use standard chainrings in 95 % of cases
Nobody produce tt gearing for campagnolo, big chainrings for the campagnolo super record crankset are supplied by campy only to professional teams and no third party builds a big chainrings for normal cranks (bcd110/130 ) optimised for campy
@@giovanniGLR I go for big ring 55 at least, so inner ring should be 42 . Better the option 34-11 .
@@gpanoutsak the idea is smart from a friction point of view, but is really hard to achieve on campag , since 55/42 chainrings specifically optimised for campagnolo do not exist by any third party brand and campy do not produce anything larger than 53/39 for their proprietary crank
wow..amazing set up!
Thanks
Super.vyskusal si vsetko aky je teda verdikt?
Myslel som sram shimano campa
FINNALLY RONI ON CAMPY
There’s a first time for everything I guess
Cool review, thanks!
Cheers
Torque wise for pedaling. Is it better
I don´t understand the question
@@ronykuba is pedaling easier
@@ambrosethomas5339 drivetrain loss is more or less equal, if that’s what you mean
@@ronykuba ok. Thank u
I also run sram red tamarc sl2 on 55-39 rings and 11-28
Nice darimo seat post
Thanks!
A new handlebar?
I’ve used it earlier
You could try Sram XX1 chain 12speed
That’s a slow chain
@@ronykuba ??? Zero Friction?
@@gpanoutsak certainly has more than zero friction
Cannot be efficiency drive train ITA vs JP surely ??
I don’t understand, sorry
@@ronykuba sorry. Efficiency. Meaning the mechanical technicals.
why it just won the tour 4 the 2 time
What are mechanical technicals?
Its a joke but wy think that a Japanise should be morr efecient its har to Belive
That’s great if you have the cash, I have found the durability is not there, I kept breaking campy, after 20 years I moved to sram
Your next "upgrade" could be in better audio equipment for your video's...just saying 😏
Wow! Sweet Ron. I’ve always had Super Record mechanical loved it. The level of craftsmanship close up is superb. I’ve been really happy with my SRAM Red AXS with CermamicSoeed OS pulleys and BB. I agree with close pad alignment with SRAM. Especially when you want to quickly change wheel-sets. Keep us posted as you get some time with it.
Will do!
Best disc brakes of all groupsets. If you begin to mismatch trickstuff with shimano levers are great albeit expensive. Hope are very plasticky no Bueno .
Nice review. Good insights. Campy is so beautiful and jewel like.
I used the SR11 EPS, but never installed it. I switched to DA on my current bike because in 2018, Shimano had better hydraulic discs then. But I do experience the ticking and squealing.
I tried a friend’s SR12 EPS, and it’s really nice…the disc rotors are heavier, but understand it does not wrap as easily as DA IceTech rotors.
Thanks!
I love campy mechanical group sets. For EPS, I have used 3 sets of them before, 2 of them ended up faulty. Gave me way too much anxieties so I loved back to mechanical
Mechanical is not very practical for racing
Hi there Rony! Nice review as always. We wait for part 2 where you gonna mention the mobile connectivity that this groupset has and all the features 😉
Also the noise in the cockpit can be fixed. I had the same issues with my venge. I'm pretty sure you know how to fix it 🙂 Much love from Cyprus!
Thanks!
Great breakdown of everything! Really well explained. Im curious though as to why you are sticking with using the duraace chainrings. Not sure if you covered it and i missed it. Keep up the great videos. Super bling bike 😎
Looks like he's using a Quarq power meter, doesn't Campagnolo have a different BCD than Shimano 4 arm? In the end if it works it works. Saves money as well if you already have the power meter, cranks are usually a big chunk of the groupset price.
Love Campagnolo, even my dogs name is Campa! Is the Colnago bike on the end your bike, how do you like it?
No it’s not
what is the brand of those wheels??
Do you have any issues running 11s chainrings with the 12s chain??
No
@@ronykuba The front shifting generally runs even better on Campagnolo 12v rings as the chain plates are shaped specifically to pick up on the ramps and pins that Campagnolo use - I have fitted Quark and other cranksets in the past though and they;ve worked well, the Campag rings work better under high applied torque values though.
You also need to consider warranty - use of non-Campag components such as a quick link in the chain, the SC extended cage etc voids warranty automatically.
@@graemefk6519 no company is going to warranty a chain
@@jonathanzappala Um, apart from my other technical roles with Campagnolo, I am their warranty manager in the UK ... so I can absolutely assure you that Campagnolo do warranty chain in the incredibly small number of cases where the claim is valid.
Removal of the batch code (which you can't avoid if you put a quick-link in) is an automatic warranty void.
@@graemefk6519good for you guys then, but still a small number of valid claims. I’d rather pay for a new one than give up waxing. I’m already taking the chance reusing the link every time. (I’m not on campy)
A little bit of rattling?! LOL! If that is how it sounds in the beginning, I can guess how it will progress over time as materials wear a bit or things shift inside the frame due to bumps, etc.
Thanks for this review...due to the rattling and other stuff that you pointed out, I think I will stay away from Campy and stick to perhaps DA Di2 for the next road setup.
Please tell me how the sound of excess cable laying in the bar will progress over time, and how it can’t happen with Di2...
@@ronykuba I am not saying that it won't happen with Di2 because I had some cabling making a slight scraping sound along the downtube every time I stood and sprinted hard. That died off after a couple of months as the bike wore in. I am just thinking that with even more cabling such as with Campy that it would be even worse.
From the UK's longest-established Factory-Appointed Service Centre - thanks for the review!
Just to answer this point about cable rattle as we see it commented upon a lot with both EPS and Di2 ...
Cable rattle is quite easily fixed with Campagnolo and with Shimano in most frames. They can both suffer to some extent from it, unless action of some sort it taken, although TBH, I've never found it much of an issue in the one frame I own, where I couldn't use the fix below and none of my customers have commented in the case of frames where I couldn't use the fix noted - I have lost count of the number of EPS installations I have done since 2010, it must be 100+ by now, easily, not including the ones I do for training purposes with mechanics who come in for Campagnolo training at the Service Centre ...
There are some frames where this method can't be used, frames where there is no access to the tubes via the BB shell. Some older Specialized frames with OSBB for instance, have voids around the BB shell which you can guide a cable around, but nothing any bulkier or stiffer and don't have a way to access the tubes through the BB shell, it's a solid alloy sleeve all the way through the BB shell.
It takes a few minutes more to do this on installation but it's something that for the most part is only done once, so it's not really a big issue.
Run the cable guide kit in from the port where the cable will emerge, which is where it will need to be anyway, to draw the cable up inside the tube. Then, run a piece of light, thin, silicone tubing with an ID around 8mm up that cable. Finally, use the cable guide kit as normal, to bring the cable from the PU up to the port.
That way, the wiring is enclosed in a silicone sleeve - it won't rattle. The bike builder will need to use silicone that is of small enough diameter to allow it up inside the down tube or to it inside most of the length of the chainstay but with a big enough ID to let the plug pass (nominally 7mm but I'd suggest 8mm is better), bearing in mind that sometimes access into these frame members is of restricted size.
This is a better solution than using small cable ties (which we have seen done quite frequently) as these can be difficult to extract if you do ever need to take the PU out, plus they can snag easily when routing the cable and if pulled too tight, can damage the multi-core cable inside.