🎮 Shigeru Miyamoto is an A**h**e??? | Fact Hunt | Larry Bundy Jr
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For gaming's most loved creator, Shigeru Miyamoto has kinda been a dick over the years, leaving a trail of angry developers in his wake.
So this episode of Fact Hunt is dedicated to Shigsy's less than honourable escapades over time.
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For people asking for a source on the infamous DKC line, aside from the March 1995 interview of Electronic Games magazine it comes from, a second source is Steven L. Kent's "Ultimate History of Video Games" in one of his lengthy footnotes on page 518: "An interesting story lies behind Yoshi's Island. When Shigeru Miyamoto first demonstrated the game to Nintendo's marketing department, it was rejected because it had Mario-related graphics rather than the waxy, prerendered graphics of Donkey Kong Country. Rather than change to an artistic look he did not like, Miyamoto made the game even more cartoon-like, giving it a hand-drawn look. The second version was accepted Miyamoto, who is rightfully proud of his work, was offended that the first version was rejected. That same month, I interviewed Miyamoto and Tim Stamper, creator of Donkey Kong Country, together and noticed that Miyamoto was a bit hard on Stamper, making such statements as "Donkey Kong Country proves that players will put up with mediocre gameplay as long as the art is good." In a later interview, Miyamoto admitted that Yoshi's Island had been a touchy subject at the time: I think that it happened after Donkey Kong Country was introduced. In comparison with the graphics of the Super Donkey Kong, there was not enough punch to Yoshi's Island. That was what I was told by the marketing people." Also note the IGN interview was a made during a promotion for the release of Donkey Kong Country Returns on Wii, so he would have to recant anything like that wouldn't he?
Also, further evidence from the man who gave that interview in video: • Video
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For people asking for a source on the infamous DKC line, aside from the March 1995 interview of
Electronic Games magazine it comes from, a second source is Steven L. Kent's "Ultimate History of Video Games" in one of his lengthy footnotes on page 518:
"An interesting story lies behind Yoshi's Island. When Shigeru
Miyamoto first demonstrated the game to Nintendo's marketing department,
it was rejected because it had Mario-related graphics rather than the
waxy, prerendered graphics of Donkey Kong Country. Rather than
change to an artistic look he did not like, Miyamoto made the game even
more cartoon-like, giving it a hand-drawn look. The second version was
accepted
Miyamoto, who is rightfully proud of his work, was
offended that the first version was rejected. That same month, I
interviewed Miyamoto and Tim Stamper, creator of Donkey Kong Country,
together and noticed that Miyamoto was a bit hard on Stamper, making
such statements as "Donkey Kong Country proves that players will put up
with mediocre gameplay as long as the art is good."
In a later interview, Miyamoto admitted that Yoshi's Island had been a
touchy subject at the time:
I think that it happened after Donkey Kong Country was introduced. In
comparison with the graphics of the Super Donkey Kong, there was not
enough punch to Yoshi's Island. That was what I was told by the
marketing people."
Also note the IGN interview was a made during a promotion for the release of Donkey Kong Country Returns on Wii, so he would have to recant anything like that wouldn't he?
Even if this is true Miyomoto was right. DK1 was mediocre game with great graphics. Miyamoto was pissed at Nintendo management for warmly suggesting to change Yoshi's Island art style to pre-rendered graphics similar to DKC.
Titanfall222 jorge lmao why are fanboys now hating on dkc ALL OF A SUDDEN
"Even if this is true"
Mate that's a direct quote spoken from Miyamoto himself, no if's or but's about it
But yes you're correct, Yoshi's Island looks way better in the style they went with over the pre-rendered graphics.
This is no different than what you just did, not proof that the man said it. It's someone else claiming Miyamoto said something to support their argument. There was no interview.
man not to be an ass or anything, but some, yes SOME Nintendo fans are in denial and will defend anything that Nintendo does just cause they love their games. People, even a big company like Nintendo can make stupid decision as well, they're not perfect.
I met Shigaro Miyamoto once.
I was at the Reptile Center in St. Augustine, Florida back in 2006 and who should walk in; but freaking Miyamoto. Dude come's stomping in with these big heeled iron toe boots and I'm going over to introduce myself and maybe get an autograph when Miyamoto hops over the railing into the turtle exhibit and he just goes nuts stomping turtles right and left. He's kicking turtles around like soccer balls trying to kick them into other turtles, jumping as high as he can and stomping them into pancakes with both feet and all the while he's just scarfing down from this huge bag of shrooms. Dude is laughing like a mad man making the Super Mario Bros sound effects with his mouth, and there are kids crying, chunks of turtles flying all over the place, its a bad scene man. Anyway his handler comes in and tells everyone to calm down and that this is part of Mr. Miyamoto's "creative process" and he starts paying everyone there a thousand bucks a piece to sign a non disclosure agreement and delete any pictures or videos they may have taken, I can't even imagine how much they had to pay the Reptile Center for all those poor turtles.
You forgot to tag it #pasta
implodinggoat youve got a wild imagination
10/10 would read again
Seems legit
Thank goodness he didn’t touch Odyssey
Occasionally I come across a UA-cam post which not only elicits an emotional response other than irritation, but instead actually adds something to my life.
I offer you my sincerest thanks.
Not to be "that guy", but I have read a bunch of articles and interviews that say that Shiggy was misunderstood over the DKC debacle. In an IGN interview, he says "The first point that I want to make is that I actually worked very closely with Rare on the original Donkey Kong Country. And apparently recently some rumor got out that I didn't really like that game? I just want to clarify that that's not the case, because I was very involved in that. And even emailing almost daily with Tim Stamper right up until the end."
I remember that quote from your video quite well, and I think context has a lot to do with it.
Actually, reading more into it, the interviewer (who interviewed Stamper and Shiggy at the same time) wrote the following:
_"An interesting story lies behind Yoshi's Island. When Shigeru Miyamoto first demonstrated the game to Nintendo's marketing department, it was rejected because it had Mario-related graphics rather than the waxy, prerendered graphics of Donkey Kong Country. Rather than change to an artistic look he did not like, Miyamoto made the game even more cartoon-like, giving it a hand-drawn look. The second version was accepted._
_Miyamoto, who is rightfully proud of his work, was offended that the first version was rejected. That same month, I interviewed Miyamoto and Tim Stamper, creator of Donkey Kong Country, together and noticed that Miyamoto was a bit hard on Stamper, making such statements as "Donkey Kong Country proves that players will put up with mediocre gameplay as long as the art is good."_
_In a later interview, Miyamoto admitted that Yoshi's Island had been a touchy subject at the time:_
_I think that it happened after Donkey Kong Country was introduced. In comparison with the graphics of the Super Donkey Kong, there was not enough punch to Yoshi's Island. That was what I was told by the marketing people._
_I intensified my hand-drawn touch on Yoshi's Island from the initial part of the program. Everybody else was saying that they wanted better hardware and more beautiful graphics instead of this art._
_Even while I was working on the Super Mario World, I was thinking that the next hero should be Yoshi. Other people have created games based upon Yoshi. . . . Yoshi's World Hunters, Yoshi's Egg, Yoshi's Cookie, and so forth--games that I don't really like. So I decided that I should make an authentic Yoshi game."_
So I guess there is truth to the quote. However, I don't think he meant it to be completely insulting, but was more frustrated that his baby (SMW2) was being shit on by Nintendo, while DKC was being lauded with praise.
Shiggy must have apologized later on, as Rare still developed two more DKC games in the exact same style. Hell, Shiggy eventually pushed for the series to make a comeback via Retro Studios. Maybe it was just bad timing. Something tells me there was a bit more to what he said, and that the translator may have messed up, or taken what he said out of context. I don't know. I'm just speculating.
Shut the fuck up, fucking weeb.
i like how through history, Nintendo had a hand in creating its own competition. they pretty much helped create GTA, sold out and betrayed sony and in turn, created the playstation and even left rare in the dust only to be bought out by Microsoft.
Too bad rare became shit and doesn't really make games anymore.
@woooudo So Nintendo, the game-monopoly of the late 80's/early 90's fought the movie-monopoly of the 90's? I'm not surprised Nintendo would lose because the courts were based in America and the movie-monopoly was American unlike the gaming monopoly at the time that was Japanese. Something tells me the courts were biased with the giant American movie-industry against the giant Japanese video-game industry. It's natural of course.
One correction: Miyamoto had nothing to do with Wario’s creation. Wario was created for Mario Land 2, a game boy game that Miyamoto wasn’t involved in.
Man, I hate the mentality of 'Nintendo (and their big name people) can do no wrong'. They've done some shaaaaady business practises, but get a free pass because they made Zelda??
Why am I reading this in your creepypasta voice?
LeCoolFace yes the first one is a rumor, you are the first person to get it right
eh...don't always get a free pass heck sometimes there is times where it feels like they get flak cause "it's when nintendo does it"
Hey guys, editor of the video here...
Please don't look into the Japan-map-flag thing anymore than you need to. No harm or upset was intended. Apologies if this has offended anybody, I can assure you that was not intentional.
I literally googled "Japan Map Flag" (or something similar) and that picture came up. I defo should had paid more attention.
100% my bad for the mix up, sorry again.
Be sure to shoot your anger my way and not towards Mr Bundy as he did not edit this vid just provided the voice.
All the best, I hope you enjoyed the video and I hope you had a great holiday break.
-Dan
Please don't do that. You never know when you could accidentaly produce World War III.
Wow, if only people could apologize in such depth when they offend America. You know, all the time.
@@coolguy02536 lmao
I thought it was a comical edit to test if you're still paying attention 17-minutes into the video. But it's just an editing mistake. What a shame.
Before Video: "Miyamoto can't be mean, it ain't in his blood! He can only be what the hip kids call 'Savage'"
After Video: **Loads gun**
The Donkey Kong quote was a mistranslation. He actually didn't have ill will towards it and helped with the development of the game. .-.
Oh really? Please share a link where I can read about this 🙏🏾. I’m fascinated.
Literally cleared it up himself.
X&D Fever Dream, thanks mate 👍.
@@MatMadikGCA No problem
@@xdfeverdream8122 Its like saying that Communism is fucking awesome because Pravda said so
wait so Nintendo are the reason GTA is what it is today and they are the reason sony made the playstation. good work Nintendo. keep it up.
Nintendo created their own enemy, in a way.
Well the company was always full of overconfidence idiots and refuse to adapt with your customers.
@@night-x6793 "Customers will learn to adapt to us!"
Ya and now rock star is a shit company and GTA is a cash grab pay to win. And Sony I think is the worst of the 3 major companies.
@@happycamperds9917 not really lol
4 Times Miyamoto Was an Asshole:
1. Paper
2. Mario
3. Sticker
4. Star
SPUTNIK. Good point
what's wrong with Sticker Star?
+Dash120z It ruined the gameplay in Paper Mario, but MORE IMPORTANTLY, it replaced the advanced stories with your typical Mario excuse plot, and turned all the developed characters into flat characters (both literally _and_ figuratively).
Sticker Star, while suckish, wasn't Miyamoto's fault. It was Kensuke Tanabe's.
+Magikrazy But it was still Shiggy's idea to limit the amount of characters to only enemies from Super Mario World, and grossly oversimplify the story elements, with a MUCH smaller focus on dialogue and characters.
"We may never see any re-release of Starfox 2."
SNES Classic: "Hold my beer,"
And the time Miiyamoto said "No. This will suck." to the concept of MOTHER/EarthBound.
Well clearly that didn't stop him from making so many carbon copy Mario and Zelda games now did it?
Still later on didn’t he beat the games?
@@coolguy02536 Guy knows what the public like - more and more of the same old shit. Hollywood is equally wise to this fact.
@@coolguy02536 carbon copies? there not really all the same though
Considering all the bridges Nintendo has burned over the years, it's no surprise that their modern consoles are really struggling with attracting third-party developers. I know hindsight is 20/20 and all, but just imagine what the landscape of gaming would look like today if Nintendo had actually managed to retain Rockstar, Squaresoft, and Rareware. GTA III and Final Fantasy VII especially would have been huge for them.
Blastinus I don't think its 3rd party developers have trouble it's that Nintendo doesn't like 3rd party development. They prefer to make their own games
at least starfox 2 is on the web& starfox 0 is starfox with some things from starfox 2.
Nintendo doesn't have a problem with attracting third party devs. It's just that the largest titles that would normally go on a VCR-sized console can't really be handled on a tablet-sized machine. They're still getting tonnes of third party support when it comes to games that the Switch can handle, and it's getting almost nothing but praise from third party companies.
The Switch seems to have a lot of developers for it so maybe that might change.
Final Fantasy VII could never end up on the N64 anyway, the game takes 3 discs as it is, imagine how many cartridges it would take!
"Star Fox 2 will never come out" - Guru Larry 2016
Nintendo announces Snes Mini
Star Fox 2 built in.
Sean Lecca lol
Sean Lecca aaaaand they are sold out due to limited supply because of niceNess
Never say never.
Man, Nintendo has been a really scummy business sometimes. They are great game developers though.
theyre great until they sue you
They're the Apple of gaming. Nintendo does excellent work... they're just dicks fairly often.
Least they aren't corporate gobble-machines like Microsoft and Sony...
Miyamoto stripping out the story elements from the "Paper Mario" series, and suggesting that "Splatoon" should incorporate the Toad characters instead of Inklings, really shows you how conservative and tone-deaf his managerial style can be. Then there's the fact that, in 35 years working together, Koji Kondo only recalls one time in which Miyamoto ever complimented his work. Or the time he visited Retro Studios, only to insultingly tear-down four of their projects before pulling the plug on each of them. Or the stories of him being shielded away from projects within Nintendo so that he can't inject his own ideas onto them. Or how he condescendingly remarked that he could make a game like "Halo" but would rather work on something "unique".
He's the greatest game designer ever, but his jovial, childlike persona is a fabrication.
FreedInsanity I didn’t know the Splatoon one😮
If they added Toads, the game would probably not be as popular as it is right now
FreedInsanity You’re wrong about splatoon, what happened was the team developing the game couldn’t think of a character to base the game around as originally the characters were rabbits that could shoot ink through guns. When asking Miyamoto for help, he said that they COULD use his characters from Mario if they wanted too. The developers then tried out using Mario characters but it didn’t work either until they settled on the idea for squids and eventually inkling, which Miyamoto himself said was a great idea.
eh...tearig down projects can be tough...but there may have been a reason for that like maybe not having such a big workload for them at once? him being shielded away could mean he is childlike honestly if anything.....or just well stubborn but it's likely both honestly. that halo quote just meant that he wouldn't try to do something that somebody else would but would instead try something more unique in terms of a experience. I get how it can come off as snarky not sure if the intent was that he was full of himself but here's a response from Bungie's frank o connor
"Yeah, well. I just want to go on the record and say that Bungie is hard at work on a side-scrolling platform game featuring some plumbers -- I'm not going to say what their ethnicity is, it's none of anyone's business -- but we took that as a gauntlet, a sort of glove slap, and we're going to respond in 2D scrolling style. That's all I'm saying." that just seems like he's salty if you ask me about what miyamoto said
None of what you said is even remotely true other than the Paper Mario debacle.
Miyamoto offered the Splatoon team Mario characters, since they couldn't figure out their own aesthetic. They declined and made inklings.
Retro Studios was juggling 4 projects at once. Miyamoto saw promise in their first-person sci-fi shooter. He offered them them the Metroid IP, which became Metroid Prime. Retro studios axed the other 3 projects to focus on Prime.
I could not find any sort of interview where Koji Kondo says Miyamoto only complimented his work once.
Seriously. Nintendo wouldn't keep Miyamoto around (in a senior position no less) unless he was helpful.
People who are saying that DKC quote never happened as it appeared in an IGN article, please watch this episodes of ICONS where the guy WHO GAVE THAT ACTUAL INTERVIEW had Miyamoto and Stamper in the room at the same time. IT DID HAPPEN!!!
Here's your evidence from the mouth of the guy himself:
ua-cam.com/video/xL83Ko0vYrw/v-deo.html&t=13m55s
Clicked for the evidence. Stayed for the whole thing.
Also, this back and forth in the comment section just made me wish Easy Allies would do a Game Sleuth episode about that quote.
So we have hearsay but not the actual interview, that's all this is. There's still no proof of the interview itself, or proof of Miyamoto ever saying those words. Just general gaming journalism putting words in other peoples' mouths.
wow dude are you serious? denial much?
***** Hahaha, yeah, right? I have actual sources and facts to back me up, haha! I'm in such deep denial, wow! But oh, right, the guy behind the mic is quoting interviews from people who aren't Miyamoto or even worked with him, but because it makes a juicy story I should listen to them instead. C'mon, man, do the actual research, the interview doesn't exist, and if you read up on the development of the game, you'd see that Miyamoto and Rare were working together and very supportive of each other and of the project. And if I sound butthurt, it's because I thought this old baseless quote was finally put to rest and then this asshat on youtube revives it, and now we're getting commenters like you on his side backing it up for no good reason. Fuck off.
***** Tell me where I'm wrong.
I feel like even the most devout Nintendo fan needs to be willing to acknowledge that Miyamoto is a bit of a control freak. This isn't out and out bad seeing how it is part of the quality control that makes 1st party Nintendo games great...but it can be a problem and leads to hard to work with scenarios
He was only good at being a lead developer of games he involved and made himself, not making executive decisions for games that aren’t really his work.
Damn, it's sad to see good old Miyamoto being kind of asshole just because of jealousy.
SammEater And he's also just spiteful. If you look at Pokemon, Satoshi Tajiri, *Pokemon's Creator*, was effectively forced to just being the Game Director. You can originally see the rivalry with Red and Blue's Japanese default names - Satoshi and Shigeru. Fast forward to Sun and Moon, and you see that you can fight Game Freak Miyamoto. Miyamoto didn't make Game Freak, and Satoshi's NPC is even further pushed to the wayside.
I'm sure you fight Morimoto not Miyamoto.
It's Morimoto, yes
@@joshuafogg6600 how was he spiteful? satoshi being game director isn't on him at all. names aside satoshi came up with the rival name for blue as miyamoto...doesn't mean he was spiteful. um...in sun and moon it's morimoto not miyamoto, and no it's not the same person.
"We will never see a Re-release of Star Fox 2 ever again."
Boy, did that age like curdled expired milk.
7:41 “we may never see StarFox 2 on a future system”
(Literally a year later the SNES classic releases with Star Fox 2 as one of the main selling points of the system)
Rml6442 lol
Don't forget the recent interview with the dev of Paper Mario, where Miyamoto asked the devs to not include their own characters. Giving us Sticker Star and Color Splash, and Toads. ONLY TOADS. And of course, his famous complaint that Super Mario Galaxy had too much story. This guy is just WAY to protective over something he made 35 years ago.
GoldenKingStudio I am so pissed off about that Miyamoto ruins everything Paper Mario was important to me and he just shat on it!
Nintendo is always protective with their IP.
I mean, look at what they do to youtubers who even plays Nintendo games!
What a bunch of cunts!
Unlike Sega, who fully embraced American and European game producers, Miyamoto claimed repeatedly that Non-Japanese make shitty games. The fact it was the British company Rare that pulled SNES ahead of Genesis in 1994 for the US market REALLY pissed off Miyamoto, who takes nationalism way too far.
gantzisballs most japanese i know, (lived there for 6 years and married to one) are very prideful to a fault of believing everything they do is the best. They also dont like to give credit to other nations when its due. Im stereotyping but it is the common theme you get when you live there.
DmanDice that's general NE asia cultural isolation and retarded national pride for ya.
gantzisballs lsu
The nickname “Shigsy” makes him sound like he’s gonna slide into a big, upper middle-class sitcom house wearing a print tee, shades, and a baseball cap turned to the side and say some catchphrase that makes the studio audience cheer for two minutes. That’s our Shigsy!
That's just the irreverent British press making up a name for him. I'd be surprised if ol' Shigsy is even aware of his nickname.
I dunno, this feels less "Miyamoto being an asshole" and more "Nintendo being an asshole with Miyamoto allegedly involved".
That quote about Donkey Kong Country is not actually true.
It's still 2016, bro -- parroting false information is all the rage.
It isn't? Oh man, I was hilarious :(
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Michael Prymula If I was 6 I wouldn't be able to spell
"and of course, Danny Devito"
"the much loved Kinect sports season 2"
Hilarious, your delivery is impeccable.
I have a number 5 for everyone who is a fan of Paper Mario.
You will never get another Paper Mario like the first two. After PM:TTYD, Miyamoto decreed that original characters like the partners you get in the Paper Mario games were no longer allowed. To make up for this, they decided to fill future Paper Mario games with nothing but toads.
Furthermore, because the Mario and Luigi series were rpgs, the Paper Mario series has to move away from that. I hope you enjoy the Mario and Luigi series, because that's the only rpg you'll be getting from them, because Miyamoto is an asshole.
But Super Paper Mario has "original" characters. Your argument is invalid.
It is valid, for the most part. Miyamoto stated the original characters thing after Super Paper Mario while Intelligent Systems was working on Paper Mario 3DS. The big problem is that he seems to think that a game's failure means that people don't care about a series anymore rather than them being non-interested in a single game. He also has an ideology that sounds good on paper, but becomes toxic in practice. Every game released needs to be innovative and new, which doesn't really affect the cash cow franchises like Zelda and Mario, but prevents series like F-Zero from getting a new entry, and creates unwanted spin-offs and/or gimmick filled messes such as Federation Force and Star Fox Zero. I respect what Miyamoto has done for the industry as a whole, but I really wish he didn't have the power he did at Nintendo.
Wish I was a fly on the wall when the Japanese translators tried to decipher the Scottish accent. That's a sitcom right there.
Ironically, Star Fox 2 was actually released for the first time ever officially on the SNES Classic Edition.
There's a reason why many third party developers decided to not release their games on Nintendo consoles anymore back in the day.
I mean, Shigeru Miyamoto was basically the reason Star Fox Zero played like shit and Paper Mario Color Splash had literally not even a single real NPC.
And people wonder why the UK seems to hate Nintendo.
Based Brits. Nintendo is only for manchildren with more money than grey matter. 😏
this comments section is like a shitty school debate
This reminds me of how Nintendo was such a dick to Sony and ended up canceling their agreement with them to make a console (making one with another company that BOMBED HORRIBLY). The disagreement prompted Sony to make their own console, the PS1, which actually outdid Nintendo64. They even snapped up the Final Fantasy franchise from Nintendo, which pissed them off royally. LOL Good times, good times.
Tonberry Queen I heard Sony had been negotiating for 100% of the profits from all Super CD software, and had wrongly assumed that the deal was finalised. Judging by how the SNES/Sony CD prototype wasn't technologically more remarkable than the PC Engine or Sega CD and was due to arrive at the tail end of the 16-bit era I would say both Nintendo and Sony lucked out from failed venture.
@@Fattydeposit But if that deal hadn't been abandoned Final Fantasy VII would have been on the Super Nintendo.
Once again an amazing episode my man. Love it!
No wonder why Rockstar is still unwilling to develop any games for the Switch at this point.
Good
You missed how Miyamoto ruined the Paper Mario franchise by telling the developers to basically scrap their original ideas for Paper Mario Sticker Star and start over with a more simple concept only featuring classic mario characters aka TOADS
This in my opinion is Miyamoto's biggest atrocity and is unforgivable and absolutely deserves a spot on this list
Too bad you missed it, I would've loved to hear your opinion on the matter
Jae Darké may be wrong, but from what I heard it was Kensuke Tanabe that ruined it. There was a lot of miscommunication between Miyamoto, and Tanabe. Miyamoto DID suggest using only Main Mario Characters, but again, it was only a suggestion, an idea for "This spin-off PM game, for casual play". (And I do believe he only suggested that on SS, but I'm not sure.) People have been saying Tanabe wants to be like Miyamto, so he follows whatever he suggests, and he also said he doesn't want to do much to Paper Mario because it's "Not his franchise, and is scared of ruining it." (Kinda failed there) I may be wrong in all this, but I don't think Miyamoto was the ONE reason it's been trash. (It doesn't mean much, but it's also worth noting that the first 3 PM's wouldn't have existed without him)
Shigeru Miyamoto is the George Lucas of the gaming industry. He used to be a creative visionary genius who pumped out beloved classics, but as time went on he lost touch with what people actually wanted and his ideas got worse and worse, and he didn't have anyone to tell him things like "no, forcing motion controls and cockpit view into Star Fox Zero just so we can show off the Wii U Gamepad even though we've already abandoned it ourselves is a terrible idea", so he just ruined what could have been great projects, and the only reason he's still respected today is because of what he made in the past.
I'm comparing it in the sense that it could have been better had someone told the big man in charge that his ideas were shit. The reason so many of the prequel trilogy's bad ideas managed to make it into the final product was because George Lucas surrounded himself with yes-men who never told him when he was wrong about something, similar to how nobody at Nintendo ever tells Miyamoto that he's doing something wrong.
Miyamoto is not the George Lucas of the gaming industry. Yoshio Sakamoto is.
One of the best examples of this is what he did to paper mario 3ds. Look up the interviews, its kinda angering.
I'm starting to realize that though Nintendo is GREAT at game development, they're TERRIBLE at business.
they still haven't figured out kids are mostly uninterested in their games sans Pokemon and Adults are their biggest demographic.
+ShadowWolfRising They are starting to figure that out, I mean, watch the switch commercial, no kids at all.
Iván Gerardo Casas Torres
perhaps
*****
They are the bigger audience so..........yeah.
Yup.
Jez San is the person from Argonaut who has made claims (about Star Fox 2 & Croc) that would potentially reflect negatively on Miyamoto and/or Nintendo. Jez San is a businessman/programmer & Argonaut founder/CEO. Jez San's Argonaut corporation lost out on tech royalties (from the FX chip) when Star Fox 2 was cancelled. In contrast, the public comments from Argonaut's Dylan Cuthbert, Giles Goddard, Colin Reed, and Krister Wombell are positive/favorable about Nintendo & Miyamoto. Moreover, each of these Argonaut programmers were fully paid for their work. See the following explanation for the details: www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227392252&postcount=420
Some excerpts from the linked explanation:
"The entire Star Fox 2 development team (Nintendo EAD and the additional contract game programmers) were paid for their work. Argonaut [Jez San and the Argonaut corporation] specifically didn't see any technology royalties [from Star Fox 2] because the FX chip wasn't manufactured since the game wasn't officially released. Argonaut doesn't own any game code because Dylan Cuthbert, Kristen Wombell, Giles Goddard and Colin Reed were all contract employees working for Nintendo. Goddard and Reed even stayed working full time for Nintendo for several years after [instead of going back to Jez San's Argonaut], while Cuthbert and Wombell found new ventures..."
The reason Dylan Cuthbert did not join Nintendo, as his fellow Argonaut programmers Giles Goddard and Colin Reed did, is that contract restrictions (known as 'headhunting clauses' or 'non-compete clauses') were put in place by Argonaut [Jez San] that prevented Cuthbert from joining Nintendo. Cuthbert could go to any other company he wanted, or go back to Argonaut, but he was prevented by the Argonaut corporation [i.e., Jez San] from joining Nintendo. Since Cuthbert did not want to go back to Argonaut/Jez San, after Star Fox 2 was cancelled in 1995, and could not go to Nintendo, he decided to join Sony:
"...At that point, Cuthbert had been living in Japan for three or four years. Because of a headhunting clause in his contract [with Argonaut], Nintendo could not hire him. Fellow programmer Giles Goddard didn't have such a clause in his contract, and Goddard ended up working at Nintendo..."
--www.kotaku.com.au/2011/05/the-kid-who-trained-with-the-masters-of-nintendo-during-a-gaming-golden-age/
"...Wranglings over a non-compete clause in his contract with Argonaut unfortunately meant that, unlike his colleague Giles Goddard (who most recently made 3DS launch title Steel Diver for the platform holder), [Dylan Cuthbert] was unable to take up a full time position in Kyoto. But rather than heading back to England, he instead got on a plane to California to work at Sony..."
--www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-22-the-life-and-times-of-dylan-cuthbert-interview
Cuthbert spoke positively about his time with Nintendo:
"Cuthbert remembers his stint at Sony, where he was lead designer on colourful PS1 shooter Blasto, as a 'friendly time' but a very different experience to what he'd seen in Kyoto. 'Sony was much more American,' he explains. 'It was enjoyable but it was a different lifestyle. It had a very corporate feel, whereas Nintendo was more like a family - a family-run company. That was the big difference. At Sony you felt a corporate entity around you at all times. Whereas at Nintendo it was like Miyamoto-san was your dad and [former CEO] Yamauchi-san was your grandad.'"
--www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-22-the-life-and-times-of-dylan-cuthbert-interview
Cuthbert also formed his own company in 2001, after leaving Sony, and since then has worked with Miyamoto and Nintendo on two very high-profile games, Star Fox Command released in 2006, and Star Fox 64 3D released in 2011:
"Dylan Cuthbert: ... I’m director of Star Fox 64 3D [released in July of 2011]. Before that, I made Star Fox Command [released in August of 2006]…
Satoru Iwata: Going back a bit, you were also involved in development of the original Star Fox for the Super Famicom.
Cuthbert: That’s right. Going even further back, about 20 years ago, I came to Japan from England for the first time.
Miyamoto: That was 1990. You came to lend support as a programmer for Star Fox..."
--www.nintendo.co.uk/Iwata-Asks/Iwata-Asks-Star-Fox-64/Vol-1-Star-Fox-64-3D/1-I-Want-to-Work-in-Kyoto-/1-I-Want-to-Work-in-Kyoto--220778.html
And again, the claims that would potentially reflect negatively on Miyamoto came specifically from Jez San, not from Dylan Cuthbert or Giles Goddard or Krister Wombell or Colin Reed. Jez San made those questionable claims in the following article, which is worth reading in full: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-04-born-slippy-the-making-of-star-fox
However, even Jez San has had positive things to say about Miyamoto. The following piece was published by Retro Gamer in 2014:
"...Despite the unorthodox methods of game design witnessed by the Argonaut team whilst coding alongside Nintendo’s golden boy, the encounter [with Miyamoto] was, as [Jez] San is swift to point out, an extremely positive one: 'I have enormous respect for [Miyamoto's] talents. He’s an amazing guy, and very humble. But the way he likes to work is very different than most people and it takes a lot of getting used to.'"
--www.retrogamer.net/retro_games90/the-making-of-starfox/
Don't forget that time he screwed Chris-chan out of a Sonichu game.
Smh, chris deserved to have his dream of a sonichu adventure made into reality. #justiceforsonichu
@@bitchwormpuddin1499 If there were demand for it, I'd develop it myself. Of course, this requires that I put up with Chris Chan. Might need to add my alcohol budget into the kickstarter.
The Miyamoto DKC thing seems to be an urban legend. Miyamoto has talked about how he likes the game, and the quote about the game being all style and no substance is mistranslated.
Are we just not gonna talk on how he made Sticker Star-shit, because it was "too much like Thousand-year Door", then later made Sticker Star 2 with Color Splash? And said, he'll never go back to the original-style, even though fans enjoyed thousand-year door much more than Sticker Star?
He might make that a separate thing to critique on. He can't blow his load all in one video after all.
To be fair, Color Splash was very good.
Violet Scarlett Color Splash was good, had great writing, and was surprisingly entertaining as a whole. Sticker Star is one of my least favorite games of all time.
I knew the Miyamoto v. Rare thing would be in here. . .
"The first point that I want to make is that I actually worked very closely with Rare on the original Donkey Kong Country. And apparently recently some rumour got out that I didn't really like that game? I just want to clarify that that's not the case, because I was very involved in that. And even emailing almost daily with Tim Stamper right up until the end." -- Shigeru Miyamoto to IGN in 2010
"More Salty than DarksydePhil in the dead sea"
That's almost as salty as the chips in theme park world
Never would I have ever expected myself to laugh so hard at a Theme Park World joke, nor would I have ever expected myself to find someone who'd make such a joke in the first place. I always maxed out the salt on foods in that game and its sequel. Gotta maximize my drink sales!
@@3DGECASE "Salt with a hint of chips"
You know, I always thought Shigeru Miyamoto only started being dickish recently, especially given how he started taking dictator-like control over the franchise after Super Mario Galaxy came out by saying that Mario games shouldn't have a story at all, especially given what he did with Paper Mario starting with Sticker Star. I mean, Splatoon almost became "Super Mario Sunshine 2" because of him believe it or not since he thought Splatoon wouldn't sell unless it was changed to a Mario title, he was proven wrong fortunately.
Apparently, he's been like this since the SNES days, and if anything, I can see him being rather hard to work with, sometimes to the point where I have actually considered him to be the video game equivalent of George Lucas, since both are the creators of widely respected and well-known franchises (Mario and Zelda for Miyamoto, and Star Wars for Lucas) that tend to be rather dickish with their franchises and make controversial decisions that anger both developers and fans. I'd have to say that I think Miyamoto is stuck in the past, and at times I feel like he has a huge ego, as if his fame and success have gone to his head.
Masterge77 He gives me the vibe that he's always been like that. I disagree with Miyamoto being like George Lucas, because Miyamoto was a good and competent Dev, the problem is him forcing his ideas in projects that have the misfortune of being under the same roof as him, Lucas has good ideas but is a bad director and writer, unable to properly execute them.
Yeah, I agree with you, it just feels like Miyamoto isn't exactly the person I used to admire in the past, as he just seems like a difficult person to work with. Now it's not uncommon for a creator to be hard to work with, or have some pretty stupid ideas for their works, but Miyamoto just seems like he's against any form change or innovation to his works that isn't made by him, and he himself is against changing it, which causes things to stagnate.
The irony is that he wants every game to be innovative, which is preventing series like Metroid and F-Zero from getting any legitimate entries in their franchise.
TheWaverunners And what does he do? He prevents anyone from innovating by trying to make them follow a strict status-quo, especially with the Mario franchise, just look at what happened with Paper Mario for instance, where he basically neutered that franchise into being just regular Mario games but with a paper gimmick rather than being fun and engaging stories with great gameplay.
I don't believe the one where they "stole" the Mario 64 concept. Nintendo made a fully 3D console and like hell they weren't going to make 3D games on it. Mario would have been the first 3D game planned.
you can still steal the camera system. that would make alot of sense actually, since the camera system was hailed
Giles Goddard (formerly programmer at Argonaut, contract employee w/ Nintendo for Star Fox 2, full-time employee with Nintendo after Star Fox 2 was cancelled): "...At the time, Miyamoto thought the camera was really good - the way it tried to avoid the scenery. It was very well done - it was done by [Takumi] Kawagoe [of Nintendo], who worked on Starfox 2 for the SNES, which got canned. He was a very very good programmer. I think his only job was the camera, so quite a major thing to do. He [Takumi Kawagoe, Nintendo employee] was there on the entire project - the whole time..."
--pixelatron.com/blog/the-making-of-super-mario-64-full-giles-goddard-interview-ngc/
Additional excerpts from the above interview are quoted below:
Giles Goddard: “...Quite a few months were spent around just playing around with different camera views, animations, ways of looking at the map. At some point, the game had a fixed path, almost like an isometric type of look. That didn’t represent that much of a jump from the original 2D Mario… [Mario’s movement] was the first thing, we were just playing around with Mario. He was wandering around a simple grid to start with… 99% of the game is concerned with [Mario’s movement]. Most of Miyamoto’s time is spent on that, and the movement of the camera… his main job is to sit down with the programmers and play with controls and camera and shape the way that the way the game *feels*. That is fundamental to the entire game. I think [the camera] probably went through 1000s of different systems - having it locked, having it moving, having it locked again, player could control it 100%, etc. That was one of the problems - Miyamoto wasn’t sure how to control the camera in 3D as he hadn’t worked with them before, so it went through with various stages, being controlled by the different stages…”
Don't forget how Miyamoto ruined the paper Mario franchise with toads and stickers
+MultiTarded
Super Paper Mario had nothing wrong with it. Hell, I'd say it was underrated.
hamza62240 Well ya see that game had incredible characters in it. Count Blecks squad and all the different bosses are much better than the koopalings imo.
Also y'know..... the incredible story telling in Super paper mario compared to everything after it.
Axem Rangers to the rescue!!!!
SaltyTuna Indeed, it's my favourite in the series tbh.
Considering what we know now about those games this aged like milk.
Video: We'll never see Star Fox 2
SNES Mini: Can't let you do that Star Larry.
Switch Online: Allow me to introduce myself.
ROM Dump: "So I heard you have a pretty solid SNES emulator on your PC"
So Brits keep getting screwed over by Nintendo? I guess ninjas do beat pirates after all.
Very clever :D
Number 5. Killed Paper Mario because Shiggy doesn't like Story in video games and because the original characters got popular.
There are no friends in the corporate world. Not even amongst artists.
Man, this should be the top comment. It's all about each individual's own "vision." It's gotta be _their_ way. _Their_ way is the best.
As Lennon said: "The only way to get to the top is by being a bastard" Lord knows how people Shigeru crushed to get where he is
I believe he was being sincere, considering Lennon is a grad A bastard as well.
He wasn't entirely right though.
Iwata did not elbow his way to the top, he did it by pure merit of dedication and talent.
I am sure there's plenty of other folk who have achieved success without turning into a massive asshole.
You forgot the times he's authorized a take down on fan-games.
XD
Note that Allen Varney, writing in The Escapist Magazine back in 2006, favorably contrasted Miyamoto's handling of Retro Studios with Electronic Arts's handling of Origin: while Origin died a slow and painful death, Retro soon became a world-class studio, after agreeing to the changes that Miyamoto insisted upon: "...Miyamoto pressured Retro to cancel several other projects... an action adventure... their football and car-combat games, and finally... a Zelda-style roleplaying game called Raven Blade. The action-adventure team shifted to Metroid Prime… Nintendo's successful takeover of Retro contrasts with the similar case of Electronic Arts buying another Austin studio, Origin. Origin's acquisition led to its lingering, agonizing death, owing to EA's pernicious company politics… In comparison, Miyamoto's EAD unit stuck with Retro for years, maintaining continuity on a critical project, rotating in new managers until someone finally worked, and then (note well!) stopping. The results speak for themselves: Retro today is, by all accounts, a much nicer place to work. And after its halting progress in its first four years, Retro has already followed up Prime with a direct sequel, Metroid Prime: Echoes (2004)..."
One could make a similar argument that Rare ultimately benefited greatly from their collaboration with Nintendo, and that when the Stamper brothers (founders of Rare) decided to 'cash out' (sell themselves to Microsoft) and bail out of the company that they had founded, Nintendo was correct in thinking that the formerly great studio was already becoming a shell of its former self.
Not to sound like a Miyamoto fanboy or anything, even though I'll probably come across like one here, I don't exactly think the title of this video works. The video itself is great as always, but calling Miyamoto an asshole in the title just comes across like obvious clickbait, and considering most of the stuff being told is kind of being told from witness accounts anyway it seems a bit heavily weighted to me. Since people can both lie, exaggerate, and piss-ass about as well if they're feeling like it. Interviews with Japanese developers are also often times horrifically translated, especially in the past. A more fitting title IMHO would be something like "4 times Shigeru Miyamoto wasn't perfect" or "4 times Shigeru Miyamoto upset people" or "4 times Shigeru Miyamoto caused controversy". Something like that. I mainly say that because half of these are hardly even examples of him being an asshole anyway, they're more horrible business strategies.
Honestly, the first one here is the only one that I can see as being Miyamoto's fault, everything else is more of his company's doing. I think something along the lines of "Four Times Nintendo Screwed Its Developers Over" would be the best title. Still a good video though.
TheKangLock; I have one, how about "four times Shigeru Miyamoto screw over developers"....wait too late (*´>д
Like most things in the world, it's not all black and white you guys. It's grey.
The first entry on this list is questionable as some others have pointed out but as for Argonaut's split with Nintendo, the company staff actually recall fond memories of Miyamoto and Argonaut's staff hung out with him in his office. His statement about the royalties may have been insensitive but that decision was probably not even up to him.
The more unpalatable aspects of Miyamoto was when he lost his temper at the Wind Waker staff when a demo of it glitched out during a public display and when he apparently told the head of Angel Studios (now Rockstar San Diego) that "you’re going to throw away most of that shit" in regards to a racing game his company was making for Nintendo (although, Diego Angel may have been paraphrasing when he recounted that story).
Even though he's hard on game developers, he at least has the decency to be nice towards fans. www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/bq8dxx/a_year_ago_today_i_was_in_kyoto_attempting_to_get/
The dude is temperamental and demanding and he definitely has made some questionable decisions in the past (Paper Mario: Sticker Star and Star Fox Adventures) but that image of him being a friendly, whimsical game designer isn't a total fabrication.
He's crazy. He should retire. He hates people who make better games than him.
@@muchacamara I know he at least has good relationships with game designers Toru Iwatani and Hideo Kojima.
@@domesticweirdo if your talking about iwata he died years ago sadly
@@universaljoyconboyz4ever161 Sorry but I'm not sure what you mean.
@@domesticweirdo I thought when you said toru iwatani you were talking about Satoru Iwata. Thought you made the mistake with autocorrect
Growing up I've heard dev stories in mags and even on the internet, didn't think it was true at the time since I had full blinders on. I do remember the static he gave Retro studios during the Metroid Prime development. "Where's the fun?" , and he also had a severe bias towards shooters too.
Now, it's all starting to make sense. I've always been a port beggar for some USA third parties to grace the latest Nintendo console yet never fully understood why I could never get the likes of Saints Row, Fallout, or GTA on a console. I thought it was due to underpoweredness alone. It wasn't just Miyomoto, but there were other former heads of Nintendo that made working with them a nightmare in some cases. Look up how devs had to create multiple publishing brands just to get around their limited games per year rule back in the NES/SNES days.
That stuff with Rare and DKC... that's incredibly childish and it puts those remarks Shiggy made into perspective, that even the hardest of hardcore N fan can't defend (though some will). It was implied that MS "stole" Rare from Nintendo but I've always known there had to be a real solid reason they went with the acquisitions so hastily.
Not trying to put down a man that gave us some good games, but his ego is the most detrimental thing to Nintendo right now.
I love how some people lose their shit because their gaming god acted like an asshole sometimes and Larry made a video about it. I love Miyamoto, but no one is perfect.
Miyamoto is the asshole we all love and can't hate
Uver Ahmen
Uver yup.
Miyamoto is an old school game developer in every sense. It's often his way or the high way and the explosive success of Mario and Zelda has inflated his ego quite a bit.
I've heard fandoms like undertale, sony, Microsoft, sonic, and sony being cancer
i think the comments show who the real tumors are
The Pretendos, who will defend poorly researched like this to try and slander an icon of the industry.
Harman Smith not a pretendo nor a nintendrone
im a pc master race who dabbles into the common folk
It's interesting to see Miyamoto in a negative light for once. Great work Larry!
> First fact is a widely known myth
Welp, I'm done with this.
Miyamoto called SNES players graphics whores. In 1995.
22 years later, we have the real graphics whores in the form of Call of Duty and FIFA players.
+ A dude's thoughts That is until you start running into people who are far too obsessed with games having stunning graphics and epics stories than actual decent gameplay and rips games apart for those two reasons.
The 'mediocre gameplay' quote has already been debunked.
FINALLY SICK OF PEOPLE TREATING MIYAMOTOT LIKE A SAINT GOD
Miyamoto is a prodigy, and even though he had a good relationship with Silicon Knights, it seems like with most 3rd Party studios he comes off as a spiteful and intrusive person. I'm pretty sure he is the whole reason why Star Fox: Zero resorted to that shitty control scheme with the gamepad, no way would a studio like Platinum Games agree to that.
>Never see Star Fox 2 on an official release.
SNES Classic: Holl up...
Nintendo Switch Online: Stop right there sir...
Back in the day when they were on top of things Nintendo loved back-stabbing people and is thanks to that we have PlayStation today
bugz 555 seems it also happen to sega
yeah..."backstab" I mean sure sony's own contract seemed shady to them when they were gonna team up but whatever...
What? Nintendo having a huge ego? Never! They're totally a perfect company!
NateSnivySmasher yup lmao
Nintendo hated if someone who wasn't Japanese had a good idea. But, as you've stated in this episode, they would just steal their ideas.
or remove them from canon like the prime serires
MegaDeathRay10 Yeah. I prefer side scrolling Metroid games but the Prime series was awesome as well.
Jeremy Seal Japan in general hates that.
Lady Wanderer It isnt. That's what Team Ninja wanted her to be, and the creators acknowledge the full game as canon even though her personality contradicts what we see of it in other installments.
Samus Aran, female Boba Fett & badass muscled bounty huntress but now her awful counterpart Other M also copy Cereza characteristics appreciate.
Larry: "...We may never see Star Fox 2 ever released on a future system."
Me, in 2020: "What a shame." *sips his nearby drink while playing Star Fox 2 on his SNES Classic*
@Darkzeroprojects You do you, friend. I'm not one to judge. Personally, I couldn't care less. I just wanted a way to play Final Fantasy 6 on actual hardware. That's one of the main reasons I got the SNES Mini. Of course, there are other classic games on the system (no pun intended) but with how abundant ports are of games like Super Mario World, Yoshi's Island, and Donkey Kong Country to name a few just makes me question "Why do they even bother?"
re point 1: For what it's worth, Retrogamer magazine did an interview with Gregg Mayles( lead designer of DKC)v in 2010, and in it, he says Miyamoto was actually one of the few person at Nintendo who approved of DKC when he went to demo it at Nintendo's HQ (it was Gunpei Yokoi who didn't like it). I can't post the link but google "retrogamer the making of donkey kong country" and you'll find it.
you sir know how to fact hunt unlike Larry who relies on juicy tabloids as sources.
There's a massive difference between concepts/prototypes and finished products. Anytime someone does something groundbreaking, there's always going to be others behind the scene who felt like they came up with the ideas first or deserve the credit. You should always take those sort of claims with a grain of salt. Bringing groundbreaking, finished products to market and making them successful and widespread is far different from coming up with concepts in a lab. One takes leadership, conviction, and courage to take risks into uncharted waters. The other doesn't. For the record, it's not uncommon for visionaries to be seen as assholes. Assholes get shit done and have determination to conquer goals. Leadership is not a friendly business.
It's pretty common practice to reuse assets and concepts from cancelled games for an upcoming game. Why wouldnt Nintendo want to make Starfox 64 a more robust and impressive game if they're launching a whole new system for it? It makes more sense to release a polished game as a system seller for your new platform than to release a game as a sendoff to your old one. I feel like this is more of a business move than something spiteful or greedy.
DanvanBeatlesfan But they could have...you know...paid the people who came up with the concepts and technology they used.
Even though the situation might be a bit more difficult than the Developer makes it out to be. We don't know anything about the contract between Argonaut and Nintendo.
RISING SUN - Playthroughs and more! "The entire Star Fox 2 development team (Nintendo EAD and the additional contract game programmers) were paid for their work. Argonaut [Jez San and the Argonaut corporation] specifically didn't see any technology royalties [from Star Fox 2] because the FX chip wasn't manufactured since the game wasn't officially released. Argonaut doesn't own any game code because Dylan Cuthbert, Kristen Wombell, Giles Goddard and Colin Reed were all contract employees working for Nintendo. Goddard and Reed even stayed working full time for Nintendo for several years after [instead of going back to Jez San's Argonaut], while Cuthbert and Wombell found new ventures..."
The reason Dylan Cuthbert did not join Nintendo, as his fellow Argonaut programmers Giles Goddard and Colin Reed did, is that contract restrictions (known as 'headhunting clauses' or 'non-compete clauses') were put in place by Argonaut [Jez San] that prevented Cuthbert from joining Nintendo. Cuthbert could go to any other company he wanted, or go back to Argonaut, but he was prevented by the Argonaut corporation [i.e., Jez San] from joining Nintendo. Since Cuthbert did not want to go back to Argonaut/Jez San, after Star Fox 2 was cancelled in 1995, and could not go to Nintendo, he decided to join Sony:
"...At that point, Cuthbert had been living in Japan for three or four years. Because of a headhunting clause in his contract [with Argonaut], Nintendo could not hire him. Fellow programmer Giles Goddard didn't have such a clause in his contract, and Goddard ended up working at Nintendo..."
--www.kotaku.com.au/2011/05/the-kid-who-trained-with-the-masters-of-nintendo-during-a-gaming-golden-age/
"...Wranglings over a non-compete clause in his contract with Argonaut unfortunately meant that, unlike his colleague Giles Goddard (who most recently made 3DS launch title Steel Diver for the platform holder), [Dylan Cuthbert] was unable to take up a full time position in Kyoto. But rather than heading back to England, he instead got on a plane to California to work at Sony..."
--www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-22-the-life-and-times-of-dylan-cuthbert-interview
Cuthbert spoke positively about his time with Nintendo:
"Cuthbert remembers his stint at Sony, where he was lead designer on colourful PS1 shooter Blasto, as a 'friendly time' but a very different experience to what he'd seen in Kyoto. 'Sony was much more American,' he explains. 'It was enjoyable but it was a different lifestyle. It had a very corporate feel, whereas Nintendo was more like a family - a family-run company. That was the big difference. At Sony you felt a corporate entity around you at all times. Whereas at Nintendo it was like Miyamoto-san was your dad and [former CEO] Yamauchi-san was your grandad.'"
--www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-22-the-life-and-times-of-dylan-cuthbert-interview
Cuthbert also formed his own company in 2001, after leaving Sony, and since then has worked with Miyamoto and Nintendo on two very high-profile games, Star Fox Command released in 2006, and Star Fox 64 3D released in 2011:
"Dylan Cuthbert: ... I’m director of Star Fox 64 3D [released in July of 2011]. Before that, I made Star Fox Command [released in August of 2006]…
Satoru Iwata: Going back a bit, you were also involved in development of the original Star Fox for the Super Famicom.
Cuthbert: That’s right. Going even further back, about 20 years ago, I came to Japan from England for the first time.
Miyamoto: That was 1990. You came to lend support as a programmer for Star Fox..."
--www.nintendo.co.uk/Iwata-Asks/Iwata-Asks-Star-Fox-64/Vol-1-Star-Fox-64-3D/1-I-Want-to-Work-in-Kyoto-/1-I-Want-to-Work-in-Kyoto--220778.html
+L988159
Nice to see someone here who actually knows all the facts for a change.
Miyamoto can't deny DKC also had an amazing soundtrack though.
Look at the dislikes and see the Nintendo defense squad is already here.
Aka Nintenthugs
If you're thinking about criticizing any of their policies or decisions, reminder that Nintendo just doesn't work that way, silly!
They're a quirky company that has fun!
The quote at 3:14 is not something he actually said. That was a false quote passed around and believed.
But the Donkey Kong country quote where he says it's mediocre is false information...
That cringy kid no its not, the context that Myamoto Hayes DKC is true, and só is the quote
17:08 are you trying to piss off Korea? 'cause that's a great way to piss off Korea
And like that, I'm subscribed.
Thanks UA-cam for recommending something to me that isn't about a red hot knife.
Jason Middleton same
Jason Middleton yea red hot knifes are all over now watch out you might get burned^_^
Incoming downvotes from angry Nintendrones. :D Because Miyamoto's shit smells like roses, apparently!
The Blue Mantis maybe people are disliking because of the poor quality of research, and editing in general.
It would help if less than half of the people saying this weren't blatant Nintendo fans. I keep seeing these comments thrown around here with no sources or reasons why it's badly edited.
DevinAK49 what the fuck? I can't speak for the quality of the research but the editing was top notch as always...
SUPERTRIP™ just giving the creator a bit of shit for the tone of the video.
not my style I spose,
This is one of the best channels on YT, wish you uploaded more often lol.
Thanks dude, Yeah, I'm trying to get hold of new sutff to make these videos a more regular thing. But I'm aiming for fortnightly at the moment.
"We may never see Star Fox 2 ever released on a future system"
Yea the Statement was true for about 8 months XD
confusing we may/with we will?...
#5 He created Sticker Star.
And Color Splash.
God i miss NPC...
Inaccurate. He influenced the making of SS. If you go to one of the Ask Iwata interviews, you'd find out that the developers for the paper mario game for the 3DS made the gameplay like TTYD. Which Miyamoto, after playing a prototype, told that it was apparently too much like TTYD. The developers, who saw Miyamoto as a god, took this comment seriously and changed everything from the original format to meet Miyamoto's standards. While he didn't make SS, he was the one who influenced the making of it. So don't necessarily blame Miyamoto, but the people of the SS development team that kissed his ass, and evidently, still do.
Justin Luc anything miyamoto touches becomes shit is the Aesop
+Celio Hogane I think all those games had non-playable characters...
In fact, I think every video game in existence has NPCs.
Sorry, that first bit about DKC really smacks of rather high flying speculation and fan-theorising, especially considering Miyamoto has since clarified that the whole "good graphics" comment wasn't meant as a jab at Rare but also that he himself was directly involved with DKC's development.
I have some serious droughts about Argonaut's story. The only info I can find about it is quotes from Argonaut's founder(Jez) which can hardly be considered proof. The part that sound partiality fishy was saying that Super Mario 64 used the camera system from their prototype; Croc used a far inferior camera system to Mario 64 and not just in execution. There is likely some truth to the story as Argonaut's fallout with Nintendo made no business since for either party and Jez seems to be personally bitter towards Minamoto.
Also the timeline doesn't add up for them to be the source of 3d platformers. Nintendo was already working on a 3d platformer with Rare on the SNES that got scraped into Banjo-Kazooie(Project Dream for anyone who is interested). Not to mention that isometric platformers were already a thing and were the most likely inspiration of 3d plaformers.
While it is true that Minamoto is know to act... childish, accusations of plagiarism are serious and require hard evidence.
Amir Abudubai He said they used the code of Star Fox 2, not the code from the prototype. Also, Rare wasn't developing with Nintendo, they were developing the game themselves, and wasn't the game initially a RPG?
@DEADPOOL9AND It was going to be a platformer RPG. Square did something similar with a isometric RPG mario game.
Also my point is, if they made the camera system, than why use a inferior system for Croc? They still had the source code for Star Fox 2(which was they leaked some time later) and probably the programmer who made it to begin with.
I think Jez's point was that Miyamoto took inspiration from the work of Argonaut employees, then took those employees from Argonaut, leaving Jez without much means to recoup his loss. Fair enough that he'd be salty about that if he kept seeing Nintendo succeed where Argonaut could have.
Mario 64 and Croc both have awful fiddly experimental cameras, so I don't see what point he wanted to make about that.
Nintendo made so many huge mistakes during the life of the N64.
Not jumping to CDs was probably their biggest.
Kriptoe They were lucky to have Rare to save their asses.
@@Larry that's how PlayStation was born! Glad it happened
@@Larry I'd *love* to know Nintendo's reasons *internally* for planning to make a CD-based SNES *for years* starting development in 1987 (give or take a year), then ditching the entire thing. Soooooo many development companies were planning larger-scale CD-based games for SNES for years, only to be screwed over by Nintendo's decision to nix it in the end. There's *a lot* more to that story that I don't think any of us are really ever going to find out, over-simplified conclusions aside.
Without a doubt, this was the company's single-biggest misstep in decades. Its importance can't be overstated.
@@Hausbrauen Cancelled SNES-CD project was called PlayStation, and was a collaboration effort with Sony. Everyone got what they wanted in the end, except for Nintendo. I think it still haunts Nintendo to this date, considering how they are reluctant to use laserdisc technology. We should rub it into them even further.
Meanwhile, there wasn't a 2x or 4x CD drive nor a software-driven preloading technique. Playing game with constant long loading is rather frustrating experience, often seen in early PS/SS games. Maybe Wand of Gamelon was too a victim of it.
You can add "putting always-online DRM into Super Mario Run" to this list.
this explains why 3rd party devs won't deal with Nintendo i guess. If I was a 3rd party dev I wouldn't trust nintendo with my ip
The also largely make their consoles for themselves, with little care or support for others. Then the Wii U happened and even their own developers didn't quite know what to do with that weird pad.
No one is perfect not Nintendo, not Sony, not Microsoft, not even Personal Computer Game developers. So do not be angry that Miyamoto was not the nicest person and don't say your favorate developer is perfect and superior either. Chances are they aren't.
also good video Larry
"We may never see Star Fox 2" - that didn't age well. hehehe
Yeah, a lot of the Argonaut stuff is pretty iffy. Mainly in that their claims of stolen code, plagiarized concepts -- none of it has any substance; it's just their claims. If they were so certain of this theft, they would've tried for a court case, or released comparisons of code samples to prove the actions against them. Not to mention the Yoshi racing and Super Mario 64 thing. Which is it, did it steal from one or the other? Plus, the Yoshi game never actually "went into full swing"; they made the prototype _with _the pitch and were refused out of the gate. Even if it was allegedly because Nintendo didn't want to trust a third party with such a project, that's actually completely fair considering that'd be the absolute biggest jump they'd ever made; you'd want to keep something so monumental in-house. Altogether, this just comes across as a dead company butthurt about failed projects wanting to cast shade from beyond the grave. There's not a single ounce of viable substance to any of their claims.
MagnificantSasquatch Jez San is the person from Argonaut Games who hasmade claims (about Star Fox 2 & Croc) that would potentially reflect negatively on Miyamoto and/or Nintendo. Jez San is a businessman/programmer & Argonaut Games founder/CEO. Jez San's Argonaut Games corporation lost out on tech royalties (from the FX chip) when Star Fox 2 was cancelled. In contrast, the public comments from Argonaut programmers Dylan Cuthbert, Giles Goddard, Colin Reed, and Kirster Wombell are positive about Nintendo and Miyamoto.
Moreover, each of these Argonaut programmers were fully paid for their work by Nintendo, as outlined by Shikamaru Ninja. In fact, none of these 4 programmers returned to the Argonaut Games corporation after Star Fox 2 was cancelled: Giles Goddard and Colin Reed decided to work for Nintendo instead, Krister Wombell had already founded his own company in 1993 (Virtuality) and was no longer with Argonaut, and Dylan Cuthbert went on to work for Sony.
The reason Dylan Cuthbert could not join Nintendo, as his fellow Argonaut programmers Giles Goddard and Colin Reed did, is that contract restrictions (known as 'headhunting clauses' or 'non-compete clauses') had been put in place by the Argonaut Games corporation [CEO Jez San] that prevented Cuthbert from joining Nintendo. Cuthbert could thus go to any other company he wanted, or go back to Argonaut, but he was prevented by the Argonaut corporation [i.e., CEO Jez San] from joining Nintendo.
Cuthbert did not want to go back to England/Argonaut/Jez San, after Star Fox 2 was cancelled in 1995, and could not go to Nintendo, so he decided to join Sony in California (he was impressed by the technology behind Ridge Racer on the PlayStation). Cuthbert worked with Sony from 1995 to 2001, then founded his own company [Q-Games] in 2001. Cuthbert has consistently had positive things to say about his work with Miyamoto/Nintendo during the 1990 to 1995 period -- in 2011, he contrasted his time at Nintendo favorably with his time at Sony, though he continues to work closely with both companies -- and has continued to work with Miyamoto/Nintendo, on Star Fox Command (released in 2006) and on Star Fox 64 3D (released in 2011).
--neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=227392252
To the Nintendroids / White Knights:
People need to stop trying to defend a company, it's their job to do so, not yours. If you get butthurt over opinions or facts about a video game company, something's wrong; seek help.
Just because someone is stating what once happened, you have to go all crybaby over it? boo fucking hoo, everyone makes mistakes, even Shigeru Miyamoto.
Please tell me; how in any way shape or form does this stop you from enjoying Nintendo games to their fullest? why do you give a shit about what others think? Miyamoto isn't you, so why so upset?
This is the same company that cares so much about its fans that it'll copyright strike any little kid with a Let's Play channel.
this is the same company with massive cunts in charge of the regional divisions that ignore and out right disobey the president of the company and are known for butchering the games they "Localize" to out right refuse to translate games that the main company wants translated run some of the worst ad campaigns that ruin game sales and take legal matters in their own hand matters they shouldn't touch. Screw NoA, and especially NoE.
It's a Japanese business thing. You cannot allow foreigners to be seen as superior to you if you insist that you are the masters of your craft.
Sega of Japan did similar with regards to Sega of America. SoA made the company gang busters of money during the early 90's going against SoJ recommendations to the point where SoJ were ignoring telephone calls,faxes and meetings with SoA not to mention cutting the budget heavily to interfere with future marketing and projects.
Nintendo are a heavily conservative company ran by old Japanese business men and if they don't get their own way then they will salt the earth to get it.
This is the real reason for it. I mean, in a vacuum this can all be seen as really dickish. Through the lens of Japanese business etiquette, though, it all makes tons of sense.
My sources from Nintendo tell me Starfox 2's inclusion in the SNES classic is entirely to spite you. Thank you for making it happen!
Zero3Delta "We must include Star Fox 2!"
"Why? We have no real reason for it."
"Some large Englishman insulted us!"
"Oh thats it! We will release it and put it in huge letters!"
you forgot when the creators of the skylanders concept pitch the idea to Nintendo, they rejected it and later they relesed the amibos
Juan Pablo Gallardo i hate skylanders. i would say its officially the most expensive game ever imo. thats why i hate Amiibos too.