Bingo, and when she says that she wears makeup only to avoid comments about her not wearing makeup, Frankly, I think she is lying. I would ask her, who makes these comments about you not wearing makeup? Men or women ? Both genders do things to attract the opposite sex. Is she trying to deny that ?
Everyone views themselves as an intellectual, but what people don't pay attention too is the literacy rate in America was higher at it's founding, before the state got control of it. Now we think because we have a piece of paper (diploma) that we are smart. We've been dumbed down. Rome was built by homeschooled kids. Only after it became an empire did they control education.
@aclark903 that social scientist I used to be a big fan of until he stated he was a big fan of trump. That social scientist has described narcissistic personality disorder often as unacceptable behavior, along sociopaths, trump owns both these disgraceful disorders in bucket loads
Ive seen this before but I didnt see it then. She is basically combative against men. My guess is missing father in some capacity. She really jumps into a combative argument with practically a stranger. It's probably subconcsious. Only way She gets attention. Then you actually get into her inside world when she says She doesnt feel like a woman. But She meant to give that away that was charitable not an accident like her just arguing instead of having a conversation. Yeah it's interesting how much you see here.
feminist have bunch of illogical question with them but when logic question strikes them then they have nothing logical to say except getting offended and playing victim card.
I don't need to know what 293 to the power of 133 is to tell you it's not 2. Do you see now how the logic works? This convo isn't leading to a deeper understanding of anything, the girl is trying to get him and he's not letting her by constantly interrupting and acting disingenuous. It's... not necessarily a bad thing to do, imo, despite me hating the guy. You have to be dumb to play into the other's hand.
@@jupitermonkey5687your example is wrong. Because if you don't know the "correct" answer you can't put a definite statement. If i ask you 444/25 equal how much -> you say: i don't know as in "you can't find the answer"? If i rephrase the question: 444/25 = 2 is it? Your answer is "i don't know" as in the same before. But then if I State a statement, focus on the ?. I phrase: 444/25 = 3 is the answer => and u said "it's wrong". Then this bogus. Why? Because the first 2 examples you respond to a question but the last example you respond to a "statement" and u just auto refuse it... cuz u hate the other party. --> the right answer is "i am not sure or prove it to me (if u are actually want to listen to the conversation).
Selbst in Deutschland wird dieses Argument im Geschlechterkampf missbraucht. Dabei bevorzugt dieses Land klar Frauen, als Beispiel: Frauenparkplätze, Frauen Taxis, das Bildungssystem ist auf Frauen ausgelegt (oder besser gesagt Männer feindlich), überall gibt es Frauenquoten und viele weitere Punkte... Ich wünschte mir so sehr anderen Menschen öffentlich den Mund verbieten zu können, jedoch wäre dies gegen die Meinungsfreiheit. Schade wie eine Minderheit die Mehrheit mit ihrem Wahnsinn unterwandert und so das Volksklima verändert hat.
Damn the double speak is strong with this one. JP I always admire how you absolutely dominate a situation by being truthful, right sized, and competent.
I was married to a modern feminist woman. As a husband, I was loyal, a good listener, did chores, and always cared for her needs, knowing it was our common good. However, she was a Toxic narcissist and I was discarded without any explanation or closure. She even smeared my name with her peers and others, although the truth is out there. How can you define yourselves as women that deserve respect, if you hate men. If you hate men, you hate your own fathers. What are you fighting for?
@ - I didn’t know or was in denial or tried to make her feel better, with the illusion of happy wife, happy life and therefore a good stable marriage. My friend- you are right, greetings from Malta 🇲🇹
@@sahithirayapati3910 Even the most wise men can fall victim to a well made façade. I'm sure she acted like the sweetest lovely gal during dating and then once they got married she turned sour or some time after.
They are critized by other women like the mother "oh honey, don't look like that, take care of yourself". i know it is a very stupid argument of hers, but indeed happens. But this is not the case here
My wife never wears makeup. I love that about her. She doesn't need it. Not once have I ever heard her complain that she feels pressure from anyone, man or woman, to wear makeup. This woman is clueless. She doesn't even really know why she wears makeup, let alone why other woman do.
I’ve never worn makeup, except to my wedding. I’ve never received any comments about it. My sister who always wears makeup has complained that whenever she doesn’t wear it, people wil ask her if she is okay. That’s because people are used to seeing her in makeup. The trick is to never start!
Actually if you're boiling it down that way, her argument is that she is a woman and he is not so she has more firsthand experience of female motivation
My understanding as a woman is that we wear makeup to appear more attractive to others be it men or other women. We all know pretty privilege exists, and as humans we will always want to grasp for whatever menial artifact we can find to advance ourselves in the social hierarchy. That being said, we women also wear makeup to attract the opposite sex. We've seen beauty standards change over time. The Greek valued plump figures because it was a sign of wealth and being able to feed yourself. East Asia valued petite bodies and small feet. French aristocracy valued pale skin and rosy cheeks because it reflected your status, whereas darker skinned people were attributed to commoners who worked in the fields and got sun tanned. For her to say it's because of male coercion is insanely ignorant to me.
'Powerful women' are so reluctant to admit they want to be admired by men because they think it makes them look weak. Men want to be admired by women and women want to be admired by men. It's the basis of so many things. The resistance to admitting this is ridiculous. Let's face it, it's a cause pushed by the unadmired. As sad as it is for them, nature doesn't lie.
Finally someone who acknowledges it atleast. No one is saying its wrong to wear makeup for the purpose of trying to look attractive. Its ignorant when thats exactly what they do but do not acknowledge that fact.
This woman is actually a reporter from British GQ ? That is a fashion magazine. I'd be curious to know what that magazine says about why women, and sometimes men, wear makeup.
I want her to tell me with utter and complete honesty that she NEVER wore makeup to look prettier and by extension more desirable to some man (or woman) she's sexually attracted to.
@@MC-nb6jx Does it matter if she ever in her entire life wore makeup to look attractive? No. All the comment does is seek to invalidate a feminist's point of view, which is what Jordan has a trend of in his posts. You guys clearly do not see what is going on, and I am guessing you embrace Jordan and that is a sad indicator of our society. These are playground antics on an adult scale. Time to grow up and stop picking on people just because they don't live the way you do.
My experience is very similar, no one in my private or professional lives has ever commented on the fact that I don't wear make-up. But there are professions where one is expected to wear make-up and the higher-ups will call you out for not following policy. Now, I don't think this is a reality for most people, I've only had a few friends who had jobs like that, but it is still the reality for a few.
he circled back to the question when she tried to give him the run around. I absolutely love that about Dr. Peterson. He doesn't let people get away with anything.
At any time, any woman can make a choice to not wear make up. They are not slaves. If you choose to stop wearing make up and someone comments negatively on this, so what, who cares? What this is really about is control. Women wear make up to get something from others, both men and women. Validation, acceptance, a feeling of being valued and loved. To stop wearing make up is to unhook yourself from the opinions of others. You no longer get the validation from them, you may even get critcism, you will be ignored and passed over, but who cares. You will no longer be enslaved to the drug of attention and validation from others. The price of freedom is to be ignored, forgotten about, maybe even disrespected, but in truth, when you get attention and validation just because you wear make up, then you never had anything in the first place, it was all a lie. Nobody is controlling you, not men, not other women, whats controlling you is your own addiction to validation and attention. Give this up and you'll have yourself true freedom and peace in this world.
personally, i consider a woman who wears makeup as 'high maintenance' - why? because she self evidently lacks self esteem and is going to require my 'maintenance' in order to bolster that lack of self esteem thanks, but no thanks!
I think some women feel that way, but women are discriminated against for not wearing makeup by both men and women. It's complicated, but I do think women brought this on themselves.
@@vodkarage8227if women stopped wearing makeup men would not care. Most of the time a guy probably doesn’t realize she is wearing it. Without makeup men would probably go after the younger prettier looking women though which is more so why some do wear make up to try to balance out this factor
@@dustinmartin2369 Yeah, unless the vast majority of women stopped wearing makeup, the ones that did would have an advantage. That is why it hasn't gone away, same with shaving hair.
film grain is good in classic old movies, but I hate hipsters that add fake film grain in nonsense like this or garbage modern movies to imitate classic films.
I've always found excessive makeup to be a turnoff. I've also noticed women look at other women more than men. As if it is some sort of competition. And as for wearing obvious makeup and inappropriate clothes in the workplace..It's as if they are going on a date.
Women dress up and wear makeup for other women, competition. Unfortunately, most of these clowns have missed the point of makeup completely. Which in turn, has helped those of us who don't wear as much or none at all look better because they've taken it so far. Makeup is meant to enhance natural features. Maybe conceal a blemish or two but not to completely falsify someone's physical appearance. It's fucking madness these women nowadays bit it's also funny.
We women do look at other women more than we look at men simply because women are more interesting to look at because we tend to take great care of our appearance and style whereas men don't really care all that much.
@EdelweisSusie - That is true for me and I’m sure lots of women would agree on this. Im not bad looking at all but with makeup I feel and look better, younger and cleaner. It makes me look like I take care of myself and it does make me feel sexier. Let’s not forget that lots of woman including myself, I don’t use make up to get attention from man but me to enhance my femininity..
Why are dark eyes, no cheekbones, thin lips an issue? To me it sounds like you might believe the BS that marketing people put out about what guys want. Reality check for all women out there. Your physical beauty though nice isn't what really attracts a guy to you. You can be the most physically beautiful woman in the world but if your character doesn't match almost all guys won't want to be with you. Physical beauty wans, character doesn't and a woman with a great heart will become more and more beautiful to a guy over time then a woman who is just physically attractive because that attractiveness won't last forever. You're beautiful the way you are physically, just make sure you are making the inside more beautiful then the outside. You'll have guys all over you if you do trust me. Take it from a guy, we are the ones who really know what we want in life not that marketing companies.
I'm no beauty either. I don't wear nor have I ever worn makeup. I go out into the world every day, with the face I have not some mask. What you see is what you get, because I'm a man.
He became a manipulative psycho! Most people in the world do not show blood through their skin "blush" yet they procreate at a higher rate. Jordan thinks the world is all white. 🤔
So, you are comparing a feminist to a "manipulative psycho"? Does that help you sleep better at night? How about "never try to win an argument against someone who has the goal of discrediting your way of life." That is the real situation. If you can't see that, I cannot help you.
I used to wear mascara and blush. One day when I didn't have time to apply it, someone told me I looked so much better. What had I done differently? That was more than 30 years ago. I haven't worn any makeup since then.
Maybe you weren’t applying your makeup correctly, putting on too much, or using the wrong colors for your skin tone so it made you look worse and not better.
Women weak makeup to attract men and for self-gratification via the attention she receives from men. Take the most remote cultures and tribe, you'll find women trying to make themselves more attractive by wearing facial enhancement marks and sorting themselves out
They wear it to be higher on the hierarchy, they know their main attribute is how hot they look. When they say biological.clock they refer to, I need a rich guy until i m 40 and I m going down. I don t know a single hot woman in her 50s, this is the end. Make up comes from narcisism, they deserve the best, but offer nothing. And that s a fact, the more obsessed she s with this makeup bs bottox and filters the worse is the person you get.
And you don't think we men have shaped what passes for acceptable as far as women's appearances? Hugh Hefner produced Playboy to show what passes for being sexy, we have had male clothing designers such as Yves saint-Laurent, Aldo Gucci and Gore Vidal, we have had the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issues, produced by males, we have had male painters, sculpters and photographers to focus on the ideal images of women. And now, we have Jordan Peterson declaring that feminism is just plain wrong, no matter what. And if JP has followers, he is influencing all of those followers to be intolerant of feminism. JP finds feminism an easier target to attack than to attack people because of politics or ethnicity or economic status. He knows that the majority of people who share his faith will be easily swayed by him. JP is kind of being a bully. Please see the big picture.
@@josbar2835 Cool your jets, I don't think you see anything. You go on and on after a simple short comment. You think you are wise? you think you are all knowing about people and life? Time for you to sit down, suck back and learn to be more tolerant of different views. Your blood pressure will go down, you may learn something. Maybe you will be wiser and happier in the end. Have a good day.
@@alexsandersmith1880 Lol, I am exasperated with people praising Jordan because he IS being intolerant of feminism. I have studied Psych, Religion, Sociology and I have three degrees. Guess what? I have worked in healthcare for more than three decades with people from all walks of life, including inmates, the police force, physicians, and people of all cultural backgrounds and gender identities.. Believe me, I am one of the most tolerant people you could ever meet. And yes, I have studied quite a bit more about our human history than the average Joe. So, I see both sides of this interview and I see what Jordan is really doing, plus, looking at his other content. It just concerns me that so many people do not see what is really going on.
@@josbar2835 You type five lines about your knowledge base which smart person knows can't be proven in this format, so that gives you no credibility here. You have one short, vague line at the end which ricochets the thoughts of the reader to any conclusion they may come to. And their opinion, whatever it is, is theirs without the self appointed, authoritative, and rude drivel of a "gaslighter'. Have yourself a good time.
I love this man. His mere existence stands for not being fuckd with in any mode of discussion. Calls people straight out to their face for not having legs to stand on with their ‘emotionally charged’ beliefs
@ people say he’s a bully. Only the people who say that are the same people who think the world needs to change to accommodate THEIR feelings Jordan is an accurate person on all of it
@@johnc1280 I find him to be extraordinarily respectful while also being sensitive and reasonable. He can be a bit aggressive when he is receiving aggression and I think that’s totally fair. Problem these days is people are very passive aggressive while rejecting confrontation. Such people can’t understand this man’s intelligence.
he's just wrong here. You don't need to propose an alternative hypothesis to refute somebody else's, that's obviously a ridiculous standard. so much so you genuinely need to have room temperature IQ to not see the problem there. Sometimes humanity just doesn't know why something is. Doesn't mean we need to go with whatever some dude pulls out of his ass to try and explain it
@ thing is, if you don’t propose anything, you cannot be criticized. The position of criticizing without proposing anything is often hypocritical. And we see that actually she has a proposition but she didn’t want to expose it, knowing that as soon as she exposes it, she herself becomes vulnerable.
as a girl, i agree with jordan. on a side note, i like doing bright neon makeup, artistic makeup, etc because i paint a lot and the face is such an interesting subject to paint on. you guys should try it!
I know people like you and it puzzles me a bit. It's almost as if makeup is degrading and not for the "intellectual " person. It's like you're making a statement: "I'm above these feminine wiles..." it may also express fear of competition, no chance to win anyway so dismiss it? As a rule beautiful women like enhancements, they enjoy the whole process.
When I was a freshman in high school, some cheerleaders walked by the field where we were holding football practice. The assistant coach took one look at them and said, "Wow, they sure have their war paint on." In a way, it was kind of a silly comment, but I think it was also somewhat profound. Women spend a lot of time, energy, and money on cosmetics and fashion, because they feel those things give them power. Men do the same thing with cars, sports, guns, tools, etc., and basically for the same reason.
It's not about power. It's about feeling pretty. Thats it. Women like to feel pretty, because they are feminine, and this society tells them that makeup can help to achieve that goal. It's that simple. Jordan was over complicating things, and this lady's reason is basically her being fearful of what others think of her, so she conforms to other people's standard of "pretty". Those things you mentioned about men are interests. The men that think those things afford them "power" are insecure and are using those things to make up for something that they THINK they are lacking, but are really not lacking in reality.
@@thrusta100 Thats a dating app stat, and this stat exists, because women are different than men. You as a man can see femininity and be physically attracted, even though you don't actually truly LIKE the woman. While women need to FEEL your masculinity in order to be sexually attracted. Masculinity as in taking the lead, having the confidence to be yourself at all times, having and pursuing goals and being responsible enough to take care of yourself and your household and being mostly unperturbable. Women cannot FEEL this through pictures. That is why that stat exists. The world will probably never understand this though.
@@Leoo117But WHY do women want to feel pretty in the first place? Because being pretty means they are attractive to men. You can't be pretty if there's no one judging how pretty you actually are. The whole idea of being pretty would be meaningless without an observer. It's amazing how so many people can not (or will not) see past this very surface level reasoning of "oh it's just for me to feel pretty, I do it for myself, etc."
My brother once told a story at the family dinner table about a girl in one of his high school classes. This girl always wore a ton of makeup, false eyelashes, and a beehive hairdo ( it was the 1960s.) One day, the girl arrived late to class with no makeup and wet hair (she had just come from the shower after her PE class.) The teacher, who was male, said "At last - the real (whatever her name was.) The entire class burst out laughing. 😂😂
@@BigBri550🥴 There’s a major difference in haranguing and being assertive and definitive in batting away her blinded opinion out of the disbelief in her absurdity. Anyone saying it’s to control female reproduction clearly is deluded. And to think you say she nailed at the end is bewildering. So much so it’s not even worth a conversation with you on this platform. The whole interview was her being passive aggressive, so any haranguing would be understandable if it were to happen anyway. Her questions and demeanour during was not quite as embarrassing as the lady from channel 4, but equally as baiting without understanding his viewpoint as a whole. These so called interviewers were looking to cancel him him on hoping they catch a few soundbites. Backfired completely, and now they’re known for it 😆
@@Allegro_Giusto You don't even know what passive-aggressive means. He was supposed to be answering her questions but instead went on the offense. Why do you suppose he did that?
@@BigBri550 Because he is tired of people that just attack others, even when interviewing without giving a thoughtful , fact based counterargument. He gets plenty of this in other interviews when people opposing him just go in emotional insults tirades. You would not understand that from one interview mate. He does not want to be a lapdog to feminists. A man that actually values and stands up for himself and others, a real man.
@@BigBri550 well if you make ridiculous claims you're going to have to be called out on it, especially if you start to attack the claims of the individual you are interviewing, do they not have a right to defend themselves? Do they not have a right to question your conclusions that are outright silly? This guy is an intellectual, if you are not an intellectual and you start making accusations that intellectual is going to shut you down very quick. This isn't about men, this isn't about women, this is about two individuals and one of them is clearly a misandrist as they have it in their head that men are to blame for all of their own personal problems they can't solve.
Women wear makeup because society place a lot of value on a woman's looks. She will be treated better in general if she looks good. The same with a man with money, people will treat him better if they know a man has money. Even though both things will make it easier to attract a mate, they go beyond just that.
True its like women should have the youthful look, diet, weight etc ..and the men should have 💰 in their pockets n a good social status in the community.
a little makeup can also enhance beauty, when applied well, but like art, beauty is different for different people. usually not super different but different enough.
I hope Jordan was looking in the mirror when he said that.....and she was a better use of that phrase. She decided NOT to go into a scientific and biologic explanation about how women have become socialized to compete against each other. To go into that detail would necessitate Jordan accepting evolution over creationism. She decided not to waste her time and I respect her for that realization.
I usually don't wear make up but for a few weeks at work I did. It felt nice to "dress up". But then I stopped. And guess what? I can't count how many employees and regular customers asked me if I were sick LOL.
@@thilo1631 I'm not trying to hurt anybody. Without makeup, you are an ugg bug. Just stating a fact, and you even admitted that when not wearing makeup people think you are deathly ill.
But you're saying they didn't think you were sick until you started wearing it AND THEN stopped. So just don't put on the costume and they'll stay accustomed to your real appearance!
@@mikeyerian2562 Her answers were ridiculous. She skirted around the truth that she wouldn't admit. Women wear makeup to look more attractive--mainly for men.
@@GrnXnham She actually said she wore makeup to look less unattractive, because she got crap for being ugly. I'm guessing you have had a daughter or young niece. There's merit to what she said. And I'll note that Petersen didn't call her reasoning invalid. Off you go.
Having more information or less has nothing to do with being smart. Smart people use information in skillfull manner here is problem of disputing evidence to support your side vs taking a look at social indicators that point to truth
I have no idea who she is (she's English - as am I) but I would bet on it that she works for the BBC* - because she posed a 'question' she herself cannot answer (by her own admission). That's straight from the BBC school of journalism. *Channel 4 also counts as BBC!
@@alexmuenster2102 No, that's incorrect. As someone who has done quite a bit of 'interviewing' you simply cannot call someone out on something if you yourself don't have a stand on that subject. She calls him out for saying why (he thinks) women wear rouge, but has no idea herself, as she said. That's ridiculous questioning.
One place to search for the answer is to look at UA-cam videos where young women are teaching each other about makeup. Another variation on this theme is - why do women get breast implants? Wear earrings?
@@ziziscorsese9475 He doesn't. He's wearing a tie with his shirt. To be more specific - a tie is a functional dress item. It is intended to slide up and down to close or open airflow to the chest area. Nowadays used more as a dress item to project convervatism ( rocking up at church wearing your beach outfit is hardly appropriate, is it?). So now, why DO women get breast implants? To ward off chest colds?
Hope you didn't marry any of them with their attitudes. Make up does damage to their skin, and once married they should be willing to not be 'attracting' other men outside of you anyway. So it should be a win-win to not have to waste 30-60 min every morning applying the stuff (not to mention taking it off at night) not just to respect you, but to also respect her own skin's health due to the very real and severe damage make up can do to the skin over time with consistent use.
Yet you only chose women who did wear makeup. So it IS about you. You might be telling them that you don't like makeup, but actions speak louder than words. Why did you not date any women who didn't wear makeup to begin with?
I think that's not a right comparison. Bcuz suit is an attire and men don't do anything on their faces. Whereas if women only wear clothes and do nothing on face they will wierd.
The amount of patience u need to have to actually argue with someone u know as a fact they dont have something to support what they say is something i aspire to
We're here today to discuss the role of cosmetic use in women, with Dr Jordan Peterson Clinical psychologist, author, and professor emeritus at the University of Toronto, And Helen Lewis who is a feminist and who went to St Mary's School, Worcester. Jordan P: "So why do you think wome wear makeup??" Helen L. "I have absolutely no idea!"
I'm so glad I stumbled upon this video, because it has always bothered me when women comment that they wear makeup for themselves, not for others. What it essentially means is that they do wear it for themselves, so that they can feel better, or validated, or attractive to people, be it men or women. And for us to pretend that we wear makeup for ourselves without any hope or desire for outside admiration or validation is absurd to me.
The questions is: why do women get asked this in the first place? You never hear anyone questioning men why they shave? Or why they put cologne? Or why they groom or dress nicely? Why the hell do women have to defend putting on makeup or not putting on makeup and whether or not that is to heighten their attraction? Who the hell cares? So what if they do? Can't they be feminists and wear makeup at the same time? And maybe they wear makeup to hide the bruises given by their partners the night before. Sick and fucking tired of this inane question.
@@paolariveratirado4296 well, women shave too. They also put perfume. That is a part of basic hygiene, no? Why would anyone ask questions about that? Makeup does not serve the same purpose as those things.. it alters your face, enhances it, and the face is the first thing you notice when you meet someone. So rather than take offense with the question: 'why do women wear makeup', we should be honest about the reason rather than take offense and get unnecessarily defensive. It is okay to wear makeup, and no one is stopping us from doing it. The issue is when we pretend that we wear makeup solely for ourselves, when that is just not true.
Women seem to have many things about which they are self-delusional, which is fine, but then they expect everyone else to share their delusions, which is not fine.
@@eisha4755 Just about as lucid an explanation/comment anyone could post. It really is as simple as that. Just answer the question, honestly. Unfortunately she tried to be a wiseass and place blame somewhere when blame really isn't the issue. She either doesn't recognise her failings of thought or she doesn't care. I suspect that she's one of those who achieved mild success at her employer and now she thinks she is important and only her views count. She obviously hasn't learned yet that by manipulating a conversation to achieve a desired outcome you more often than not won't arrive at the truth or an accurate account of the subject at hand. That leaves the discussion and the planned outcome questionable and therefore unresolved.
In general when I am not going to work or out somewhere I do not wear makeup. One day a co-workers husband came over to pick up a frig and saw me with no makeup. A week later he stop by the shop and I had full makeup on, he apparently raved about how different I looked and my co worker later reported to me her husband was having dreams of me (I was not impress because of DV) But the change in attitude because i had on make up spoke to the success of the Billion dollar marketing machines that tell women we are only beautiful when our appearance is altered with makeup.
women wear makeup because most women are pretty revolting without the dye, lipstick, fake eye lashes, lip filler and foundation creams. With a man what you see is what you are actually getting
My late husband hated me in makeup. He said it made me look “witchy” and he didn’t want to kiss a woman with makeup on. I hate putting on makeup ,so it worked for both of us.
I once dated a man who kept pressuring me to wear makeup. I never did. We broke up after two years. What a relief! That said and done, I think most men seem to prefer women who don't use much makeup. My last boyfriend used to say that women who wore makeup looked like clowns. 😂
@Thilo Yeah sure. That would make sense if the subtitles were done by youtube themselves. That was edited in. The person who did the typography messed up. (The actual youtube subtitles got it right, not the other way around) :)
If at all I wear makeup , it's to feel good about myself.. Not to attract anyone . It gives me the feeling I take care of myself in every way possible ..
They wear makeup because they try and appear youthful. I personally like less makeup a bit of eye lining is fine. Personality is the biggest it for myself a great personality wins over makeup 💯 percent of the time.
I've been on this planet six decades, and I can't say how tired I am of this endless "I'm oppressed, give me money, give me the good job that I'm not suited for, so I feel better", and they are NEVER happy, they NEVER feel better, they NEVER stop complaining. All the time this crap happens, society slides down the drain. I'm so utterly sick and tired of activism. Rock on Dr. Peterson.
I can't speak from experience but I think the makeup most women wear just happens to reflect a combination of how they like to look and how they want to look for others. both can be important, obviously it's important to be yourself (not a rat, a bird, or another gender) but also to look good for society. Some women look great without makeup, some look better with less makeup than others. it's really no one answer. It's definitely not because of EVIL MEN making them do it! lol.
This is why women are triggered by this. They know it's pointless, expensive, bad for skin health and time-wasting. But since women force other women to wear it, not men, they don't stop wearing it.
I don't wear make up but my guess is having pink color on your face look normal and health. When foundation is used to make the face more symmetrical and hide blemishes it also makes the face look waxy, which don't look healthy on anyone, so color needed to be added back to the face so you don't appear sick or malnourished.
The heavy makeup, the filters, and the fake everything are major red flags for any guy interested in spending more than one night with you. The likes and positive comments aren't reflective of society as a whole. Just because you're not getting called out doesn't mean that it isn't obvious to almost everyone that you have serious issues. Most people are either too nice, or don't want to deal with the backlash. Women, you being pleasant to be around, showing genuine interest in him, and not being ugly is good enough for most guys. Most of us have pretty low standards.
This alpha male is showing no fear and is very confident in what he asks and says. This female is showing pressure from where she doesn't know any answer than the answer she doesn't wanna give as she knows Peterson is correct. 1 to peterson - 0 to Woman
No, Peterson does not win. All he does is show he is intolerant of a person living a lifestyle he does not agree with, so he decides to criticize her and give her the task of giving him an explanation he will accept in order to justify her way of life. Jordan is not seeking to gain information, he is seeking to insult her feminist perspective. I lost respect for him. Meanwhile, she decided NOT to waste time explaning to Jordan that, yes, women have been socialized to compete for mates and for success in general, because that would require for him to accept our biological history. She realizes that a person with a strong religious perspective is not likely to accept that our current society is reversed from what we inherited from Nature. So, I have great respect for her...no sense wasting her time. No, I won't be subscribing to Jordan PETERson any time soon...oh, and look up the origin of the term "alpha male". You kind of prove her point. And mine.
@@redmatters9318 instead of misogynists you should have said sane people and instead of 'intelligent woman' you should have said narcissistic mentalist. But other than that I agree with you
A girlfriend once told me she wears agressive makeup to keep men at distance and feel safe. She looked incredibily stuning with makeup and noticed most men are shy around 10/10 women, so nobody would hit on her. It was like a defense mechanism for her. It blew my mind, but it kinda made sense, as most men are more likely to not approach women out of their league.
I'm an artist and I find it as a fun way to express myself. Some women wear it to feel pretty because makeup can enhance certain features. Some wear it for the same reason as me. Some women feel bad about themselves and makeup give them a boost in self esteem. Honestly it's easy to ask why do people wear certain clothes or accessories.
Asking the question back and when hearing the answer 'I've no idea' going full on attack mode. Women wear makeup because the effect it has on men and therefore the effect on other women who are always in competition with each other.
Im a 29 year old man and I personally feel a women with less makeup is more attractive, natural beauty is the most beautiful, a woman with little to no makeup shows confidence and has nothing to hide, its just my personal opinion
Same... too bad the vast majority of women in the US transform their appearance every single day to the point of permanently scarring their skin. I have nothing against make up, but I don't think a woman should be wearing it every single day. I think it on occasion it can be nice, but guys don't appreciate waking up to a completely different person. It is not pleasant, and frankly it always feels like you were lied to.
I agree, but how many women are attractive enough to you that you would be interested in dating them? I bet the number goes up, way up, when they wear makeup. It's a way for average to below average looking women to 'level-up' so they are desirable enough to attract others. Of course, we all prefer a woman that is very attractive without any makeup, but that reduces the pool of eligible women to a pretty small number.
Nice virtue signaling but, if you're honest you can rate any woman from 1 to 10. And guess what, when a 3 applies makeup she can become a 7, and it's hard to believe you'd consider her a 2 with makeup.
I wear makeup as self defense. People are nicer to me if I wear makeup. In part because I seem more vibrant, especially because I am older. Darker eyebrows and colorful cheeks create an image that says I'm still in the game. I draw the line, however, on my hair. It's too much trouble to color my great great hair. Besides, it sparkles and it's impossible to hide age anyway without plastic surgery, which itself only gives minimal help.
I came of age during the hippy movement. All the women I knew did not wear makeup or shave their pits and legs....or wear a bra. "Natural" was the look. A look I still desire in a woman. Doesn't take a math genius to know approximately how old I am. My last girlfriend is 57 and never wore makeup, not dyed her hair (it was long and gray) nor shaved, wore perfume, or any of the things women in our culture are encouraged to do to be attractive to men. Why do women wear makeup? Total global cosmetic sales in 2021 were $39.2 Billion. That's why women wear makeup.
Women have been wearing make up way before it was made into a global marketing product, what are you saying? Women wear make up because they want to, no one forces them, same as they wear a micro bikini, because they want to, because they love atention from every one else, men and women alike. Attention cravers
Assume that women always attempted to make themselves more attractive with make-up, provocative clothing, perfume, flowers, beads, tatts, shaving certain parts of their body, losing weight, etc. And then (most likely) men recognized a way to exploit that propensity. If women could be made to feel deficient by being compared to other women molded by the advertising industry to look more desirable to men, then products could be developed, and sold to bridge that gap. In other words, just buy these products and you too can be desirable.....to men. Ever notice how lesbians (the ones I've known) don't give a shit about make-up, shaving, hot looking clothes? Women are made to feel unattractive, by the advertising industry, and then sold products to make them OK. And, of course, women buy and use those products to the tune of $40 billion/year
Here's another exception, no one in my family wore makeup coz they were a a type of Pentecostals. Products only sell if there is a demand for it. Shocking how idealogs remain incapable of growth despite their age. Women and men wanna be attractive to the opposite sex there is no shame in women wanting that and wearing makeup for that reason.
I agree on the hippie natural look for the most part. But hairy armpits are a real turn off. Overall the hippie chicks were a bit of a turn off. I liked the cowgirls, no makeup, strong and independent. But if they wanted to clean up for an occasional Saturday night they cleaned up real nice.
My Wife never bothers unless we are going out for the evening and then she puts a tiny amount on. I love her for being natural rather than caked in muck.
My first wife never wore makeup. She took good care of herself, her skin was flawless, her hair always in place, her attire as tasteful as it was attractive, but she wouldn't wear makeup nor braziers. Despite the fact that she was lovely without layers of paint and festoons of baubles, she took crap from everyone, male and female, who told her she was too pretty not to wear makeup and bras ... _WTF?!_
@@BigBri550 Define "everyone", because I don't think I have ever heard a single man in my entire life complain about an attractive woman not wearing make up. This is usually women attacking each other as they seem to enjoy doing for whatever reason. Call it jealousy or pettiness, that is all I have ever seen. Bottom line is that men wont say to no to a good looking woman or even complain what so ever if she wears no make up. In fact, most guys I've known who sleep around a lot, prefer women who don't need to spend 30 min taking off the mask before they get busy. Not to mention the women that wont take it off and everything just smears all over you... Nah.. guys don't give a crap
@someone-ji2zb First off, what I described was back in the '80s, which was a VERY superficial era. My wife (back then) heard from all of her friends, her hairdresser, and even her employer: you should wear makeup and a brazier. She ended up compromising slightly on the makeup but atood her ground on the no-bra policy. Men found her attractive either way, as did I. But yet she was pressured to measure up to sexist standards like other females. I don't know if you can appreciate what American society was like back in the '80s. You had to be there, I guess.
@@BigBri550 You lost me at 'sexist standards'. I have no appreciation for modern life, or anything post sexual revolution. I believe premarital sex is not only a sin, but completely illogical and has led to our society falling apart. With that said, having certain elements of pressure from professional environments that are unfair are to be expected for both men and women. In most most cases, those elements are unfair. But if we talk about the one 'boss' in your wife's old job, what about the rest of the work place? You telling me all of those guys were of like mind? Are we really going to fall into the "exception makes the rule" argument? Either way, I don't fully disagree with your sentiment, but the social requirement outside of work was and still is not that prevalent between the sexes. A guy will have sex with a cardboard tube, and most guys aren't going to demand their wives slap on make up every single day of their lives, especially if she is uncomfortable with it. However, that is in regards to seeking to build a family. If a woman leverages sex to her advantage, then she might just attract those 'sexist' men who just want a hook up. I will tell you this, being born into this wasteland that started far before I was conceived has not been fun. Logic has been thrown out the window, and what I was taught to be common sense growing up is now rare. Anyway, to wrap up my overall feeling on this; a woman will have ZERO issue finding a husband if she wears no make up. Who gives a flying crap what her friends preach to her or what guys who want one night stands think?
@@someone-ji2zb I hear you. Where this all started was with my memories of my first wife back in the '80s, and how she was pressured- more like micro aggressed- to wear makeup and bras precisely BECAUSE she was pretty. It was like they thought she owed it to everyone else. And I'm not sure you understand what sexism is. However, you gave a glowing example of sexism within your comment, "what about the rest of the work place? You telling me all of those guys were of like mind?" Why did it not occur to you that she worked mostly with females? You automatically assumed a male-dominated workplace: that is an example of a sexist perception. Most of the pressure my first wife faced was from other females. Females pressured her to prove her attractiveness instead of just seeing it; males pressured her to prove her competence instead of simply recognizing she was smarter and more capable than all of them put together. Like I said before, the '80s were probably before your time, so I conclude that you are not in a position to admonish me about my perception of a time period you cannot remember.
Why have subtittles if they're inaccurate and don't help at all with the viewing experience? Its not even like its hard to understand them or anything too..
People in general want too look more attractive. Whether my wearing makeup, nice clothes, getting their hair done etc… Anyone who thinks or says that they do it “for me” or because it “ makes me feel better”, is delusional or lying to themselves in thinking that that’s an intrinsic matter.
It also comes with a very real cost as well. Women who wear make up every single day are causing damage to their skin, and many woman have permanent scars even before their 30s. Then when they finally decide to give it up (or mostly), it is too late and they look horrible without it due to the damage
My mother never wore makeup as she was a strict Baptist and also because she was a farm wife, but she never needed makeup either as she had very fine skin with a natural light golden shaded tan from working outside and had few lines, even when she passed away in her mid fifties. She was considered attractive and all she had to do was clean up and put on some nice clothes and meet everyone with a smile. Mom also didn't smoke anything or drink alcohol.
My daughter is like micro-petite and works as a college student in an advanced laboratory. She never wears make-up yet everyone alway thinks she does. She is blessed with good skin and very cute features. Most other women hate it when they find out her “made up” face is natural
Well part of the reason so many women now days in the west have horrible skin, is because they wear too much make up, and they do it every single day. It does serious damage to the skin, some of which can be permanent. My cousin's wife never wears make up (I don't think she ever did to my knowledge) at 27, and she has no acne, her skin is clear and her skin looks like a healthy person's skin. Way too many women are living in denial; sadly for most, the damage is done
@@someone-ji2zb As a child, I was taught by nuns, all of whom had beautiful skin. I theorized that the secret is to not drink, smoke, wear makeup, but most important: have a beautiful generous heart.
I've asked my wife and daughter this: why do women wear makeup, and their answer is; they primarily do it because it's a societal norm, like shaving legs and armpits, it's what most women do, so they do it to, subconsciously, to not look drab or get shamed by others. However, more and more women are not wearing makeup daily and are breaking out of these societal norms, like more and more men are not wearing silly neckties and three-piece suites. Women wearing rouge on their cheeks has nothing to do with sexual flush, they just do it because they've seen others do it, and it's a fading fad.
You are correct. When women wear it, they don't think they are doing it because of sexual reasons, but that were the original reasons. Prostitutes introduced it into 20th century. Today women wear it without knowing why. It's sad. I'm glad new trends of not wearing it are coming.
Any woman that is being honest will tell you they dress up for other women. It is a fact of life. But there’s no sense in having a conversation like this with people who already have your mind made up. She considers herself an articulate intellectual person, but putting that aside, an intellectual person is able to see where they could possibly be mistaken.
No, they wear makeup so they can look more sexually desirable. Women know that men are attracted to youth. Youth portends the ability to bear children.
@@MyAcsm True, yet women like the one in the video either doesn't understand this or willfully ignores it. Not sure what reality this woman lives in where older women are popping out babies left and right but after 25 the female body starts doing some weird shit. Gestational diabetes risk increases year to year after 25. Egg count only becomes lower and lower (women are born with a finite supply of eggs) and past 35 the risk of losing the baby or other major complications grows exponentially. This woman denies science and reality.
So basically she is saying "I don't have a clue, but you are wrong"
Reminds me of my ex wife
She did a lot better than Cathy despite being equally insane.
Bingo, and when she says that she wears makeup only to avoid comments about her not wearing makeup, Frankly, I think she is lying. I would ask her, who makes these comments about you not wearing makeup? Men or women ? Both genders do things to attract the opposite sex. Is she trying to deny that ?
@@nigelbass9019All ex wives are like that...
Welcome to arguing with a woman.
She clearly views herself as an intellectual but she lacks foundation as evidenced by obfuscation.
She takes pride in being a rebel, not that I'm a fan of make up and neither is my wife
Everyone views themselves as an intellectual, but what people don't pay attention too is the literacy rate in America was higher at it's founding, before the state got control of it. Now we think because we have a piece of paper (diploma) that we are smart. We've been dumbed down. Rome was built by homeschooled kids. Only after it became an empire did they control education.
She references the social sciences but refuses to listen & learn from the social scientist sitting opposite her.
@aclark903 that social scientist I used to be a big fan of until he stated he was a big fan of trump. That social scientist has described narcissistic personality disorder often as unacceptable behavior, along sociopaths, trump owns both these disgraceful disorders in bucket loads
@@RobertFlynn-i4h This is almost as bad an argument as the woman's.
She was trying so hard to get her gotcha moment not even realising he turned the interview in a psychology session...
Ive seen this before but I didnt see it then. She is basically combative against men. My guess is missing father in some capacity. She really jumps into a combative argument with practically a stranger. It's probably subconcsious. Only way She gets attention. Then you actually get into her inside world when she says She doesnt feel like a woman. But She meant to give that away that was charitable not an accident like her just arguing instead of having a conversation. Yeah it's interesting how much you see here.
I think both sides are looking for a gotcha moment. The “feminist owned” genre is mostly roundabout nonsense going nowhere
she was not giving him even time to speak because she was scared lol and yet she was left embarrassed after the whole interview smh
@@user-dm8kz8ul8hthe feminist owned genre is a direct reaction to 3rd wave feminism having all the Power on Unis and legal system
"Why?" is such a powerful question
No clue about anything..but offended by everything
feminist have bunch of illogical question with them but when logic question strikes them then they have nothing logical to say except getting offended and playing victim card.
Her: "That's not why women wear rouge!"
Peterson: "Then why do women wear rouge?"
Her: "I don't know."
Feminist logic.
Freud's/psychoanalysis HYSTERIA in a nutshell
I don't need to know what 293 to the power of 133 is to tell you it's not 2.
Do you see now how the logic works? This convo isn't leading to a deeper understanding of anything, the girl is trying to get him and he's not letting her by constantly interrupting and acting disingenuous.
It's... not necessarily a bad thing to do, imo, despite me hating the guy. You have to be dumb to play into the other's hand.
@@jupitermonkey5687your example is wrong. Because if you don't know the "correct" answer you can't put a definite statement.
If i ask you 444/25 equal how much -> you say: i don't know as in "you can't find the answer"?
If i rephrase the question: 444/25 = 2 is it? Your answer is "i don't know" as in the same before.
But then if I State a statement, focus on the ?. I phrase: 444/25 = 3 is the answer => and u said "it's wrong". Then this bogus. Why? Because the first 2 examples you respond to a question but the last example you respond to a "statement" and u just auto refuse it... cuz u hate the other party.
--> the right answer is "i am not sure or prove it to me (if u are actually want to listen to the conversation).
Their whole ideology is that men can't be right or better at anything
@@jupitermonkey5687But you should very easily be able to explain why it's not 2.
One cliche after another. When a woman says, "Patriarchy" she's already lost the argument.
Selbst in Deutschland wird dieses Argument im Geschlechterkampf missbraucht.
Dabei bevorzugt dieses Land klar Frauen, als Beispiel: Frauenparkplätze, Frauen Taxis, das Bildungssystem ist auf Frauen ausgelegt (oder besser gesagt Männer feindlich), überall gibt es Frauenquoten und viele weitere Punkte...
Ich wünschte mir so sehr anderen Menschen öffentlich den Mund verbieten zu können, jedoch wäre dies gegen die Meinungsfreiheit.
Schade wie eine Minderheit die Mehrheit mit ihrem Wahnsinn unterwandert und so das Volksklima verändert hat.
She is single.
She don't look like fruit
Divorced*
and husband is to blame, right? 🤣
Always have been always will be
Will alway's be!!!
Damn the double speak is strong with this one. JP I always admire how you absolutely dominate a situation by being truthful, right sized, and competent.
And remaining calm.
Unless you delve into religion, then he just goes insane.
@@vodkarage8227 huh?
I was married to a modern feminist woman. As a husband, I was loyal, a good listener, did chores, and always cared for her needs, knowing it was our common good. However, she was a Toxic narcissist and I was discarded without any explanation or closure. She even smeared my name with her peers and others, although the truth is out there. How can you define yourselves as women that deserve respect, if you hate men. If you hate men, you hate your own fathers. What are you fighting for?
Bro the first mistake u made is to marry a modern feminist🤣🤣🙏🏿 i am 18 but still didn't fall for that how did u fall for it😭 hope u getbetter
@ - I didn’t know or was in denial or tried to make her feel better, with the illusion of happy wife, happy life and therefore a good stable marriage. My friend- you are right, greetings from Malta 🇲🇹
@@darinattard3244 hope u sort of those stuff or else js left her bro and started a new life hoping the situation will get better in future tk bro ❤️
@@sahithirayapati3910 Even the most wise men can fall victim to a well made façade. I'm sure she acted like the sweetest lovely gal during dating and then once they got married she turned sour or some time after.
@@YuYuYuna_ yeah bro ture shi is haunting 😭
Never heard women get criticised for not wearing make up
Exactly! But then you’re a man.😏
I would prefer they didn't
Apparently you never worked in Japan
Not all criticism, or biases or bigotry, etc. is overt.
They are critized by other women like the mother "oh honey, don't look like that, take care of yourself".
i know it is a very stupid argument of hers, but indeed happens. But this is not the case here
I loved the way he turned this into his interview.
Perfect analysis bravo
@@maryamfarooq203if she didn't regret asking that question then she's dumb 😂
😂
I'm wondering if he wears makeup, Beau Brummell for men. Nice suit, he looks dapper.
Having a moral personal discussion with a psychologist is like opening your door to a serial killer, you're just making things easier...
My wife never wears makeup. I love that about her. She doesn't need it. Not once have I ever heard her complain that she feels pressure from anyone, man or woman, to wear makeup. This woman is clueless. She doesn't even really know why she wears makeup, let alone why other woman do.
That’s key. She doesn’t understand her own feelings clearly.
Take her out for a nice meal and tell her to put a bit of slap on, Byron. Give her a chance to feel feminine, you old smoothie you 😁
Women aren't responsible for anything except their achievements. Everything else is men's fault. They're like children in this respect.
Where are you from? The location plays a big role.
I’ve never worn makeup, except to my wedding. I’ve never received any comments about it. My sister who always wears makeup has complained that whenever she doesn’t wear it, people wil ask her if she is okay. That’s because people are used to seeing her in makeup. The trick is to never start!
Her argument is that I don't like your ideas, you are wrong and I don't need to explain anything else.
Actually if you're boiling it down that way, her argument is that she is a woman and he is not so she has more firsthand experience of female motivation
True of all liberals.
The Left, in a nutshell.
Well it's worked for the left for the last 10 years so why stop now
@@technomad1770 being left or right has nothing to do with it. get a grip
My understanding as a woman is that we wear makeup to appear more attractive to others be it men or other women. We all know pretty privilege exists, and as humans we will always want to grasp for whatever menial artifact we can find to advance ourselves in the social hierarchy.
That being said, we women also wear makeup to attract the opposite sex. We've seen beauty standards change over time. The Greek valued plump figures because it was a sign of wealth and being able to feed yourself. East Asia valued petite bodies and small feet. French aristocracy valued pale skin and rosy cheeks because it reflected your status, whereas darker skinned people were attributed to commoners who worked in the fields and got sun tanned.
For her to say it's because of male coercion is insanely ignorant to me.
During ovulation, girls and women have redder cheeks. Rouge mimics this to show their availability (on a subconscious level) to procreate.
"For her to say it's because of male coercion is insanely ignorant to me."
Naaaaah, that's insanely WOKE!
Excellent insight.
'Powerful women' are so reluctant to admit they want to be admired by men because they think it makes them look weak. Men want to be admired by women and women want to be admired by men. It's the basis of so many things. The resistance to admitting this is ridiculous. Let's face it, it's a cause pushed by the unadmired. As sad as it is for them, nature doesn't lie.
Finally someone who acknowledges it atleast. No one is saying its wrong to wear makeup for the purpose of trying to look attractive. Its ignorant when thats exactly what they do but do not acknowledge that fact.
This woman is actually a reporter from British GQ ?
That is a fashion magazine.
I'd be curious to know what that magazine says about why women, and sometimes men, wear makeup.
Women wear makeup because they're women. Men wear makeup because they're gay.
Wait til you find out what GQ means, then itll really blow your mind 😅
I want her to tell me with utter and complete honesty that she NEVER wore makeup to look prettier and by extension more desirable to some man (or woman) she's sexually attracted to.
But we all know she won’t don’t we?🤔🤔
So. Fucking. What.
@@josbar2835 … Fantastic reply.
How did you manage to come up with such an eloquent comment ??
@@MC-nb6jx Does it matter if she ever in her entire life wore makeup to look attractive? No. All the comment does is seek to invalidate a feminist's point of view, which is what Jordan has a trend of in his posts. You guys clearly do not see what is going on, and I am guessing you embrace Jordan and that is a sad indicator of our society. These are playground antics on an adult scale. Time to grow up and stop picking on people just because they don't live the way you do.
She can't.
In my 26 years of life I’ve barely seen my mum wearing a makeup, she just doesn’t care much! And I have never seen anyone commenting on that!
My wife hardly ever wears it and even when we were dating she wore very little.
If you paid attention, women wear makeup to be more attractive to a mate, this generally means late teens to late 30s
My experience is very similar, no one in my private or professional lives has ever commented on the fact that I don't wear make-up. But there are professions where one is expected to wear make-up and the higher-ups will call you out for not following policy. Now, I don't think this is a reality for most people, I've only had a few friends who had jobs like that, but it is still the reality for a few.
You just commented on that one bro
>>And I have never seen anyone commenting on that!
Tell me you’re a single cat lady without telling me
What's wrong with that ?
What's right with it?
@@Aychabouaziz1 lol
he circled back to the question when she tried to give him the run around. I absolutely love that about Dr. Peterson. He doesn't let people get away with anything.
And she answered him. You obviously missed it.
@@BigBri550But he had to ask her twice before she got around to an answer. If you can even call that an answer.
@@jeremiahnoar7504 I can call that an answer, and a damned good one. Be he was supposed to be answering her, not the other way around.
@@BigBri550you sound liberal
@patrickwood9692 Liberal is not a sound: it is either an adjective or an ideological point on the political compass.
At any time, any woman can make a choice to not wear make up. They are not slaves. If you choose to stop wearing make up and someone comments negatively on this, so what, who cares? What this is really about is control. Women wear make up to get something from others, both men and women. Validation, acceptance, a feeling of being valued and loved. To stop wearing make up is to unhook yourself from the opinions of others. You no longer get the validation from them, you may even get critcism, you will be ignored and passed over, but who cares. You will no longer be enslaved to the drug of attention and validation from others. The price of freedom is to be ignored, forgotten about, maybe even disrespected, but in truth, when you get attention and validation just because you wear make up, then you never had anything in the first place, it was all a lie. Nobody is controlling you, not men, not other women, whats controlling you is your own addiction to validation and attention. Give this up and you'll have yourself true freedom and peace in this world.
I’ve considered multiple times to wear makeup, but after reading this I don’t think I’ll start. I really needed to read this.
👍
thank you!
@DnB and Psy Production 💯
personally, i consider a woman who wears makeup as 'high maintenance' - why? because she self evidently lacks self esteem and is going to require my 'maintenance' in order to bolster that lack of self esteem
thanks, but no thanks!
She basically admitted that she is afraid of what men will think of her
if she didn't wear make up.
She seeks validation from men. End of story.
I think some women feel that way, but women are discriminated against for not wearing makeup by both men and women. It's complicated, but I do think women brought this on themselves.
@@vodkarage8227if women stopped wearing makeup men would not care. Most of the time a guy probably doesn’t realize she is wearing it. Without makeup men would probably go after the younger prettier looking women though which is more so why some do wear make up to try to balance out this factor
@@dustinmartin2369 Yeah, unless the vast majority of women stopped wearing makeup, the ones that did would have an advantage. That is why it hasn't gone away, same with shaving hair.
When you go to gym and exercise and gain a lot of muscles and grow a beard that make you look more attractive as a man do you do that for women ?
@ Making myself healthy is for me and me alone. The beard would be to look more attractive, but I would also grow it because I liked it.
What's with the pointlessly irritating film grain and scratches?
They are stealing content and hoping this will thwart the UA-cam algorithms.
She got burned 😅
Bro hasn’t heard of copyright
film grain is good in classic old movies, but I hate hipsters that add fake film grain in nonsense like this or garbage modern movies to imitate classic films.
They're trying to make it look like the discussion happened in the late 1940's.
When an intelligent man tries to get a straight, honest answer from a woman who has an agenda and is educated beyond her intelligence.
”Educated beyond their intelligence.” good point.
I've always found excessive makeup to be a turnoff. I've also noticed women look at other women more than men. As if it is some sort of competition. And as for wearing obvious makeup and inappropriate clothes in the workplace..It's as if they are going on a date.
Women dress up and wear makeup for other women, competition. Unfortunately, most of these clowns have missed the point of makeup completely. Which in turn, has helped those of us who don't wear as much or none at all look better because they've taken it so far. Makeup is meant to enhance natural features. Maybe conceal a blemish or two but not to completely falsify someone's physical appearance. It's fucking madness these women nowadays bit it's also funny.
Wait. You mean you didn't like Mimi on the Drew Carey show? Darn that excessive makeup. =)
We women do look at other women more than we look at men simply because women are more interesting to look at because we tend to take great care of our appearance and style whereas men don't really care all that much.
Some men also wear suits to work as if they are going on a date..
@@DMp-xp6mjand bring each other down😂
These are the type of people that want to police your speech.
VERY valid point
They can police, but boy would they be frustrated each time i opened my mouth.
I wasn’t hit with the beauty stick - dark eyes, no cheekbones, thin lips - but I’m passable with makeup on and feel better about myself. That’s all.
@EdelweisSusie - That is true for me and I’m sure lots of women would agree on this. Im not bad looking at all but with makeup I feel and look better, younger and cleaner. It makes me look like I take care of myself and it does make me feel sexier. Let’s not forget that lots of woman including myself, I don’t use make up to get attention from man but me to enhance my femininity..
Why are dark eyes, no cheekbones, thin lips an issue? To me it sounds like you might believe the BS that marketing people put out about what guys want.
Reality check for all women out there. Your physical beauty though nice isn't what really attracts a guy to you. You can be the most physically beautiful woman in the world but if your character doesn't match almost all guys won't want to be with you. Physical beauty wans, character doesn't and a woman with a great heart will become more and more beautiful to a guy over time then a woman who is just physically attractive because that attractiveness won't last forever.
You're beautiful the way you are physically, just make sure you are making the inside more beautiful then the outside. You'll have guys all over you if you do trust me.
Take it from a guy, we are the ones who really know what we want in life not that marketing companies.
i personally prefer “thin lips” that is my preference… don’t follow the other “sheep” somebody like me will think your perfect.
I'm no beauty either. I don't wear nor have I ever worn makeup. I go out into the world every day, with the face I have not some mask. What you see is what you get, because I'm a man.
Don't forget to pay a ton of money to pump your face full of toxic materials to look "pretty" (according to faceless corporations)
Never try to win an Argument over someone that dealt with manipulative psychos for 20+years. Its like expecting to run against Usain Bolt.
He became a manipulative psycho! Most people in the world do not show blood through their skin "blush" yet they procreate at a higher rate. Jordan thinks the world is all white. 🤔
I'd run against him in a marathon and I'd win.
So, you are comparing a feminist to a "manipulative psycho"? Does that help you sleep better at night? How about "never try to win an argument against someone who has the goal of discrediting your way of life." That is the real situation. If you can't see that, I cannot help you.
@@josbar2835 I'm ashamed of you.
@@matiassella4935 Oh well.
I used to wear mascara and blush. One day when I didn't have time to apply it, someone told me I looked so much better. What had I done differently? That was more than 30 years ago. I haven't worn any makeup since then.
Maybe you weren’t applying your makeup correctly, putting on too much, or using the wrong colors for your skin tone so it made you look worse and not better.
Women weak makeup to attract men and for self-gratification via the attention she receives from men. Take the most remote cultures and tribe, you'll find women trying to make themselves more attractive by wearing facial enhancement marks and sorting themselves out
But changing your behavior because one person told you something is the same thing, isn’t? You are still controlled by the opinions of others
They were lying. Put makeup on
You wore them for approval from people. Once someone gave you approval without wearing it, you stopped wearing it.
She's not being completely honest about why women wear make up. Probably because it will defy her stance
They wear it to be higher on the hierarchy, they know their main attribute is how hot they look. When they say biological.clock they refer to, I need a rich guy until i m 40 and I m going down. I don t know a single hot woman in her 50s, this is the end. Make up comes from narcisism, they deserve the best, but offer nothing. And that s a fact, the more obsessed she s with this makeup bs bottox and filters the worse is the person you get.
She exercises the right to think for men. I somehow think she would not have it the other way around.
And you don't think we men have shaped what passes for acceptable as far as women's appearances? Hugh Hefner produced Playboy to show what passes for being sexy, we have had male clothing designers such as Yves saint-Laurent, Aldo Gucci and Gore Vidal, we have had the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issues, produced by males, we have had male painters, sculpters and photographers to focus on the ideal images of women. And now, we have Jordan Peterson declaring that feminism is just plain wrong, no matter what. And if JP has followers, he is influencing all of those followers to be intolerant of feminism. JP finds feminism an easier target to attack than to attack people because of politics or ethnicity or economic status. He knows that the majority of people who share his faith will be easily swayed by him. JP is kind of being a bully. Please see the big picture.
@@josbar2835 Cool your jets, I don't think you see anything. You go on and on after a simple short comment. You think you are wise? you think you are all knowing about people and life? Time for you to sit down, suck back and learn to be more tolerant of different views. Your blood pressure will go down, you may learn something. Maybe you will be wiser and happier in the end. Have a good day.
@@alexsandersmith1880 Lol, I am exasperated with people praising Jordan because he IS being intolerant of feminism. I have studied Psych, Religion, Sociology and I have three degrees. Guess what? I have worked in healthcare for more than three decades with people from all walks of life, including inmates, the police force, physicians, and people of all cultural backgrounds and gender identities.. Believe me, I am one of the most tolerant people you could ever meet. And yes, I have studied quite a bit more about our human history than the average Joe. So, I see both sides of this interview and I see what Jordan is really doing, plus, looking at his other content. It just concerns me that so many people do not see what is really going on.
@@josbar2835 You type five lines about your knowledge base which smart person knows can't be proven in this format, so that gives you no credibility here. You have one short, vague line at the end which ricochets the thoughts of the reader to any conclusion they may come to. And their opinion, whatever it is, is theirs without the self appointed, authoritative, and rude drivel of a "gaslighter'.
Have yourself a good time.
Good point .
I love this man. His mere existence stands for not being fuckd with in any mode of discussion. Calls people straight out to their face for not having legs to stand on with their ‘emotionally charged’ beliefs
He’s the best ❤
@ people say he’s a bully. Only the people who say that are the same people who think the world needs to change to accommodate THEIR feelings
Jordan is an accurate person on all of it
@@johnc1280 I find him to be extraordinarily respectful while also being sensitive and reasonable. He can be a bit aggressive when he is receiving aggression and I think that’s totally fair. Problem these days is people are very passive aggressive while rejecting confrontation. Such people can’t understand this man’s intelligence.
he's just wrong here. You don't need to propose an alternative hypothesis to refute somebody else's, that's obviously a ridiculous standard. so much so you genuinely need to have room temperature IQ to not see the problem there. Sometimes humanity just doesn't know why something is. Doesn't mean we need to go with whatever some dude pulls out of his ass to try and explain it
@ thing is, if you don’t propose anything, you cannot be criticized. The position of criticizing without proposing anything is often hypocritical. And we see that actually she has a proposition but she didn’t want to expose it, knowing that as soon as she exposes it, she herself becomes vulnerable.
as a girl, i agree with jordan. on a side note, i like doing bright neon makeup, artistic makeup, etc because i paint a lot and the face is such an interesting subject to paint on. you guys should try it!
I’ve rarely worn makeup. Never had comments about it either. It’s just who I am. The problem probably comes if you usually wear it then stop.
Such solid logic and reasonableness from a Karen no less!
sharing is karen
I know people like you and it puzzles me a bit. It's almost as if makeup is degrading and not for the "intellectual " person. It's like you're making a statement: "I'm above these feminine wiles..." it may also express fear of competition, no chance to win anyway so dismiss it? As a rule beautiful women like enhancements, they enjoy the whole process.
@@madelainepetrin1430 your comment is fucking ridiculous, im saying it as a guy
@@nvelopes huh? PS you can't fly no matter what you believe...
When I was a freshman in high school, some cheerleaders walked by the field where we were holding football practice. The assistant coach took one look at them and said, "Wow, they sure have their war paint on." In a way, it was kind of a silly comment, but I think it was also somewhat profound.
Women spend a lot of time, energy, and money on cosmetics and fashion, because they feel those things give them power. Men do the same thing with cars, sports, guns, tools, etc., and basically for the same reason.
And don't forget they have the gall to say they find 80% men unattractive? Without fakeup what % of women would me. find attractive?..
It's not about power. It's about feeling pretty. Thats it. Women like to feel pretty, because they are feminine, and this society tells them that makeup can help to achieve that goal. It's that simple. Jordan was over complicating things, and this lady's reason is basically her being fearful of what others think of her, so she conforms to other people's standard of "pretty".
Those things you mentioned about men are interests. The men that think those things afford them "power" are insecure and are using those things to make up for something that they THINK they are lacking, but are really not lacking in reality.
@@thrusta100 Thats a dating app stat, and this stat exists, because women are different than men. You as a man can see femininity and be physically attracted, even though you don't actually truly LIKE the woman. While women need to FEEL your masculinity in order to be sexually attracted. Masculinity as in taking the lead, having the confidence to be yourself at all times, having and pursuing goals and being responsible enough to take care of yourself and your household and being mostly unperturbable. Women cannot FEEL this through pictures. That is why that stat exists. The world will probably never understand this though.
@@Leoo117But WHY do women want to feel pretty in the first place? Because being pretty means they are attractive to men. You can't be pretty if there's no one judging how pretty you actually are. The whole idea of being pretty would be meaningless without an observer.
It's amazing how so many people can not (or will not) see past this very surface level reasoning of "oh it's just for me to feel pretty, I do it for myself, etc."
My brother once told a story at the family dinner table about a girl in one of his high school classes. This girl always wore a ton of makeup, false eyelashes, and a beehive hairdo ( it was the 1960s.) One day, the girl arrived late to class with no makeup and wet hair (she had just come from the shower after her PE class.) The teacher, who was male, said "At last - the real (whatever her name was.) The entire class burst out laughing. 😂😂
I am a woman. Women wear make-up to look young and beautiful. They want to be more ATTRACTIVE. I don't care about my wrinkles so I don't wear make-up.
Having wrinkles doesn't mean you're not beautiful x
Or they want to think they're more attractive. It can't be for a guy because the goal is he'll eventually see her without makeup.
@@lonesheepdog6337 Yes it does.
Not gonna lie, this discussion actually wasn't bad. The host was sound of mind and fairly reasonable, unlike other critics...
Well she stood her ground and defended her hill. But she was still lying through her fat little teeth.
I mean, she wasn't screaming or over-interrupting.
🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷
very low bar
😂😂 Her last sentence went from 0 to 10 on the blame chart in a blink
What do you mean? Her last sentence nailed it. She absolutely answered his haranguing.
@@BigBri550🥴 There’s a major difference in haranguing and being assertive and definitive in batting away her blinded opinion out of the disbelief in her absurdity. Anyone saying it’s to control female reproduction clearly is deluded. And to think you say she nailed at the end is bewildering. So much so it’s not even worth a conversation with you on this platform. The whole interview was her being passive aggressive, so any haranguing would be understandable if it were to happen anyway. Her questions and demeanour during was not quite as embarrassing as the lady from channel 4, but equally as baiting without understanding his viewpoint as a whole. These so called interviewers were looking to cancel him him on hoping they catch a few soundbites. Backfired completely, and now they’re known for it 😆
@@Allegro_Giusto You don't even know what passive-aggressive means. He was supposed to be answering her questions but instead went on the offense. Why do you suppose he did that?
@@BigBri550 Because he is tired of people that just attack others, even when interviewing without giving a thoughtful , fact based counterargument. He gets plenty of this in other interviews when people opposing him just go in emotional insults tirades. You would not understand that from one interview mate.
He does not want to be a lapdog to feminists. A man that actually values and stands up for himself and others, a real man.
@@BigBri550 well if you make ridiculous claims you're going to have to be called out on it, especially if you start to attack the claims of the individual you are interviewing, do they not have a right to defend themselves? Do they not have a right to question your conclusions that are outright silly? This guy is an intellectual, if you are not an intellectual and you start making accusations that intellectual is going to shut you down very quick. This isn't about men, this isn't about women, this is about two individuals and one of them is clearly a misandrist as they have it in their head that men are to blame for all of their own personal problems they can't solve.
I could watch these two for hours. I love their verbal sparring. They think for themselves and don't rely upon others for an opinion.
Women wear makeup because society place a lot of value on a woman's looks. She will be treated better in general if she looks good. The same with a man with money, people will treat him better if they know a man has money. Even though both things will make it easier to attract a mate, they go beyond just that.
True its like women should have the youthful look, diet, weight etc ..and the men should have 💰 in their pockets n a good social status in the community.
Replace "society" with sexual selection
true
in fact things are more simple than we acknowledge it is subconsiously for matting purposes
wrong man also needs looks
without looks men life is over
I have always found girls/women that do not need or wear make up far more attractive, it's natural beauty
My husband says the same, for 20 years he still says I don’t need make up 😁
a little makeup can also enhance beauty, when applied well, but like art, beauty is different for different people. usually not super different but different enough.
@@evorider3689 And vice versa.
I agree.
@@evorider3689 but who (or what) dictates what actually is a four or a seven or a ten to begin with..?
As Jorden has said before, its a waste of time to argue with fools.
Mark Twain saos something about that too
@@alfaeco15 I think he said don't throw your pearls before pigs.
By your comment I know YOU are a fool.
THAT'S why academics don't argue with Petersen. Got it? G'day from Australia mate 🇦🇺 🪃. Truly.
I hope Jordan was looking in the mirror when he said that.....and she was a better use of that phrase. She decided NOT to go into a scientific and biologic explanation about how women have become socialized to compete against each other. To go into that detail would necessitate Jordan accepting evolution over creationism. She decided not to waste her time and I respect her for that realization.
I usually don't wear make up but for a few weeks at work I did. It felt nice to "dress up". But then I stopped. And guess what? I can't count how many employees and regular customers asked me if I were sick LOL.
This means you look awful or unwell without makeup, ya ugg bug.
@@thilo1631 At least I ain't no ugg bug... you dirty ol' UGG BUG.
@@thilo1631 I'm not trying to hurt anybody. Without makeup, you are an ugg bug. Just stating a fact, and you even admitted that when not wearing makeup people think you are deathly ill.
But you're saying they didn't think you were sick until you started wearing it AND THEN stopped. So just don't put on the costume and they'll stay accustomed to your real appearance!
Are you complaining that people were concerned about your health or that your not as healthy looking without makeup on?
In other words: He is way too smart for her to actually form a genuine argument and falls back on men bad grr
Then..are you a female??🤣
Her answer on why she wears makeup was quite reasonable. She gave back as good as she got.
@@mikeyerian2562 Her answers were ridiculous. She skirted around the truth that she wouldn't admit. Women wear makeup to look more attractive--mainly for men.
@@GrnXnham She actually said she wore makeup to look less unattractive, because she got crap for being ugly. I'm guessing you have had a daughter or young niece. There's merit to what she said. And I'll note that Petersen didn't call her reasoning invalid. Off you go.
Having more information or less has nothing to do with being smart. Smart people use information in skillfull manner here is problem of disputing evidence to support your side vs taking a look at social indicators that point to truth
"You don't want to eat women"... I object. 😂😂😂
Amazing subtitles😂🤔🙄
Not too many men would even want to be around this women, and I didn't even listen until the end! Thanks Gaining Wisdom!
It's worth watching the whole thing. It may be JBP's best interview ever.
I have no idea who she is (she's English - as am I) but I would bet on it that she works for the BBC* - because she posed a 'question' she herself cannot answer (by her own admission). That's straight from the BBC school of journalism.
*Channel 4 also counts as BBC!
>>because she posed a 'question' she herself cannot answer (by her own admission)
@@alexmuenster2102
No, that's incorrect. As someone who has done quite a bit of 'interviewing' you simply cannot call someone out on something if you yourself don't have a stand on that subject. She calls him out for saying why (he thinks) women wear rouge, but has no idea herself, as she said. That's ridiculous questioning.
Good observation, @feistyphysicist !
Channel 4 also counts as BBC? You sound as mental as her.
She did answer it, though. Something about pathriarchy and peer pressure
One place to search for the answer is to look at UA-cam videos where young women are teaching each other about makeup. Another variation on this theme is - why do women get breast implants? Wear earrings?
Why does Peterson wear a tie with his jeans ?
@@ziziscorsese9475 For the same, general reason a woman wears make up. Still proves that point lol
@@ziziscorsese9475 He doesn't. He's wearing a tie with his shirt. To be more specific - a tie is a functional dress item. It is intended to slide up and down to close or open airflow to the chest area. Nowadays used more as a dress item to project convervatism ( rocking up at church wearing your beach outfit is hardly appropriate, is it?). So now, why DO women get breast implants? To ward off chest colds?
"Not all ripe fruit is ... BREAD"? Lol
I don't like makeup. I've told all my SOs in life I prefer them without it. Not ONE of them ever stopped wearing makeup. Why? Cause it isn't about me.
they've been socially conditioned to do that, watch too many movies where everybody has a wallpaper on their face and they think its beautiful
Hope you didn't marry any of them with their attitudes.
Make up does damage to their skin, and once married they should be willing to not be 'attracting' other men outside of you anyway. So it should be a win-win to not have to waste 30-60 min every morning applying the stuff (not to mention taking it off at night) not just to respect you, but to also respect her own skin's health due to the very real and severe damage make up can do to the skin over time with consistent use.
Yet you only chose women who did wear makeup. So it IS about you. You might be telling them that you don't like makeup, but actions speak louder than words. Why did you not date any women who didn't wear makeup to begin with?
@rosethorn0232 nice try spinning it back lol ...just accept that is the truth with most women when it comes to make up. My experience is the same
@@rosethorn0232👏👏👏
why do men wear suits? same reason: because it makes them look better and gives them confidence.
not true...I wore suits because "I was told"
@@dole59723 i'm not talking about men compelled to wear suits, but rather the many men who choose to.
I think that's not a right comparison. Bcuz suit is an attire and men don't do anything on their faces. Whereas if women only wear clothes and do nothing on face they will wierd.
The amount of patience u need to have to actually argue with someone u know as a fact they dont have something to support what they say is something i aspire to
We're here today to discuss the role of cosmetic use in women, with Dr Jordan Peterson Clinical psychologist, author, and professor emeritus at the University of Toronto, And Helen Lewis who is a feminist and who went to St Mary's School, Worcester.
Jordan P: "So why do you think wome wear makeup??"
Helen L. "I have absolutely no idea!"
I'm so glad I stumbled upon this video, because it has always bothered me when women comment that they wear makeup for themselves, not for others. What it essentially means is that they do wear it for themselves, so that they can feel better, or validated, or attractive to people, be it men or women. And for us to pretend that we wear makeup for ourselves without any hope or desire for outside admiration or validation is absurd to me.
The questions is: why do women get asked this in the first place? You never hear anyone questioning men why they shave? Or why they put cologne? Or why they groom or dress nicely? Why the hell do women have to defend putting on makeup or not putting on makeup and whether or not that is to heighten their attraction? Who the hell cares? So what if they do? Can't they be feminists and wear makeup at the same time? And maybe they wear makeup to hide the bruises given by their partners the night before. Sick and fucking tired of this inane question.
@@paolariveratirado4296 well, women shave too. They also put perfume. That is a part of basic hygiene, no? Why would anyone ask questions about that? Makeup does not serve the same purpose as those things.. it alters your face, enhances it, and the face is the first thing you notice when you meet someone. So rather than take offense with the question: 'why do women wear makeup', we should be honest about the reason rather than take offense and get unnecessarily defensive. It is okay to wear makeup, and no one is stopping us from doing it. The issue is when we pretend that we wear makeup solely for ourselves, when that is just not true.
I couldn't have said it better.
Women seem to have many things about which they are self-delusional, which is fine, but then they expect everyone else to share their delusions, which is not fine.
@@eisha4755 Just about as lucid an explanation/comment anyone could post. It really is as simple as that. Just answer the question, honestly. Unfortunately she tried to be a wiseass and place blame somewhere when blame really isn't the issue. She either doesn't recognise her failings of thought or she doesn't care. I suspect that she's one of those who achieved mild success at her employer and now she thinks she is important and only her views count. She obviously hasn't learned yet that by manipulating a conversation to achieve a desired outcome you more often than not won't arrive at the truth or an accurate account of the subject at hand. That leaves the discussion and the planned outcome questionable and therefore unresolved.
I’m stronger than the peer pressure that may or may not come my way.
In general when I am not going to work or out somewhere I do not wear makeup. One day a co-workers husband came over to pick up a frig and saw me with no makeup. A week later he stop by the shop and I had full makeup on, he apparently raved about how different I looked and my co worker later reported to me her husband was having dreams of me (I was not impress because of DV) But the change in attitude because i had on make up spoke to the success of the Billion dollar marketing machines that tell women we are only beautiful when our appearance is altered with makeup.
Of course it works . Why shouldnt it??
Wrong. It s a women s thing since Egypt and it comes from narcisism.
Looks like word of "Make Up" triggered her indefinitely 😆😂🤣
Both of them are very well spoken.
No man I know has ever... EVER commented on a girl saying she doesn't have makeup on 😂 if anything, we prefer women without makeup
women wear makeup because most women are pretty revolting without the dye, lipstick, fake eye lashes, lip filler and foundation creams. With a man what you see is what you are actually getting
My late husband hated me in makeup. He said it made me look “witchy” and he didn’t want to kiss a woman with makeup on. I hate putting on makeup ,so it worked for both of us.
I once dated a man who kept pressuring me to wear makeup. I never did. We broke up after two years. What a relief!
That said and done, I think most men seem to prefer women who don't use much makeup. My last boyfriend used to say that women who wore makeup looked like clowns. 😂
"Not all ripe fruit are...... Bread." Hmm... OK.
Hopefully there is ripe fruit bread somewhere in the world. We can save this, guys. Have a great week.
She said not all ripe fruit are red. 😂
@@ziziscorsese9475 Yeah haha I know. The person who subtitled it, did it wrong 💀🤣
@Thilo Yeah sure. That would make sense if the subtitles were done by youtube themselves. That was edited in. The person who did the typography messed up. (The actual youtube subtitles got it right, not the other way around) :)
@Thilo Yeah nah you aite. I didn't make that clear in my first response, my b. They did get most of it right though fr
If at all I wear makeup , it's to feel good about myself.. Not to attract anyone . It gives me the feeling I take care of myself in every way possible ..
They wear makeup because they try and appear youthful. I personally like less makeup a bit of eye lining is fine. Personality is the biggest it for myself a great personality wins over makeup 💯 percent of the time.
Why do women wear thongs?
Absolutely not, everyone knows makeup makes one look older.
@@wildflowers123-k1z Yes the 500 billion industry thrives on women wanting to look older.
also some women: wears the most revealing tight dress and if anyone stares or looks at it , they are perverts
Wrong. You're only a pervert if they don't find something desirable about you (money, status and/or looks)
@@bertroost1675 so they complain no matter what
@@chefandmusician9170 eventually, yes
I've been on this planet six decades, and I can't say how tired I am of this endless "I'm oppressed, give me money, give me the good job that I'm not suited for, so I feel better", and they are NEVER happy, they NEVER feel better, they NEVER stop complaining.
All the time this crap happens, society slides down the drain.
I'm so utterly sick and tired of activism. Rock on Dr. Peterson.
I can't speak from experience but I think the makeup most women wear just happens to reflect a combination of how they like to look and how they want to look for others. both can be important, obviously it's important to be yourself (not a rat, a bird, or another gender) but also to look good for society.
Some women look great without makeup, some look better with less makeup than others. it's really no one answer. It's definitely not because of EVIL MEN making them do it! lol.
This is why women are triggered by this. They know it's pointless, expensive, bad for skin health and time-wasting. But since women force other women to wear it, not men, they don't stop wearing it.
Nor as Peterson suggest to !make men come on to them. 😁
Typical, they are entitled to talk over the top of you….every time…and never regard it as rudeness. Glad I’m single.
I don't wear make up but my guess is having pink color on your face look normal and health. When foundation is used to make the face more symmetrical and hide blemishes it also makes the face look waxy, which don't look healthy on anyone, so color needed to be added back to the face so you don't appear sick or malnourished.
The heavy makeup, the filters, and the fake everything are major red flags for any guy interested in spending more than one night with you. The likes and positive comments aren't reflective of society as a whole. Just because you're not getting called out doesn't mean that it isn't obvious to almost everyone that you have serious issues. Most people are either too nice, or don't want to deal with the backlash. Women, you being pleasant to be around, showing genuine interest in him, and not being ugly is good enough for most guys. Most of us have pretty low standards.
This alpha male is showing no fear and is very confident in what he asks and says.
This female is showing pressure from where she doesn't know any answer than the answer she doesn't wanna give as she knows Peterson is correct.
1 to peterson - 0 to Woman
Alpha male? 🤣😂😂
@@funinthekitchen844 Man he's a Sigma..!
feminist*
What are you even saying 😂😂
No, Peterson does not win. All he does is show he is intolerant of a person living a lifestyle he does not agree with, so he decides to criticize her and give her the task of giving him an explanation he will accept in order to justify her way of life. Jordan is not seeking to gain information, he is seeking to insult her feminist perspective. I lost respect for him. Meanwhile, she decided NOT to waste time explaning to Jordan that, yes, women have been socialized to compete for mates and for success in general, because that would require for him to accept our biological history. She realizes that a person with a strong religious perspective is not likely to accept that our current society is reversed from what we inherited from Nature. So, I have great respect for her...no sense wasting her time. No, I won't be subscribing to Jordan PETERson any time soon...oh, and look up the origin of the term "alpha male". You kind of prove her point. And mine.
"Your statement that this is so is dumb"
"Well why do you think it is so?"
"I have absolutely no idea"
"Exactly"
It must be exhausting for him, most men would just avoid these kind of women
And that’s why she got divorced.
@@d3vilmaycry25 for my mental health and sanity I would avoid women like her completely
Only misogynists would run from an intelligent woman , Liam. G'day from Australia mate 🇦🇺 🪃.
@@redmatters9318 instead of misogynists you should have said sane people and instead of 'intelligent woman' you should have said narcissistic mentalist. But other than that I agree with you
Jordan Peterson meets Elinor Rigby...
A girlfriend once told me she wears agressive makeup to keep men at distance and feel safe. She looked incredibily stuning with makeup and noticed most men are shy around 10/10 women, so nobody would hit on her. It was like a defense mechanism for her. It blew my mind, but it kinda made sense, as most men are more likely to not approach women out of their league.
Yeah but after u fk with her next morning she comes down from 10 to a 6.5😂. I ve been there, it sucks
I'm an artist and I find it as a fun way to express myself. Some women wear it to feel pretty because makeup can enhance certain features. Some wear it for the same reason as me. Some women feel bad about themselves and makeup give them a boost in self esteem. Honestly it's easy to ask why do people wear certain clothes or accessories.
Asking the question back and when hearing the answer 'I've no idea' going full on attack mode.
Women wear makeup because the effect it has on men and therefore the effect on other women who are always in competition with each other.
@@evorider3689 Woman wears it so she can feel others think she is beautiful.
@@evorider3689 OK, yes.
Validation from SIMPS on S Media, who are dumb to think these attention wh$res look like this in Morning.. 😂🤦🤮
Im a 29 year old man and I personally feel a women with less makeup is more attractive, natural beauty is the most beautiful, a woman with little to no makeup shows confidence and has nothing to hide, its just my personal opinion
I VERY much like that idea. Im a guy just to mention.
Same bro.
Same... too bad the vast majority of women in the US transform their appearance every single day to the point of permanently scarring their skin.
I have nothing against make up, but I don't think a woman should be wearing it every single day. I think it on occasion it can be nice, but guys don't appreciate waking up to a completely different person. It is not pleasant, and frankly it always feels like you were lied to.
I agree, but how many women are attractive enough to you that you would be interested in dating them? I bet the number goes up, way up, when they wear makeup. It's a way for average to below average looking women to 'level-up' so they are desirable enough to attract others. Of course, we all prefer a woman that is very attractive without any makeup, but that reduces the pool of eligible women to a pretty small number.
Nice virtue signaling but, if you're honest you can rate any woman from 1 to 10. And guess what, when a 3 applies makeup she can become a 7, and it's hard to believe you'd consider her a 2 with makeup.
That was very interesting.
Omg she is out of her depth
Excellent point. If your criticizing a perspective on something, I would presume you have an alternative idea. I would like to hear it.
While I don't agree I do respect that she doesn't place the blame exclusively on men
In other words “I’m ugly, men don’t like me so I hate men and resent makeup and prettier women who get more men”
Shockingly when you decide to tackle somebody's point and say they're wrong, you have to back up why they're wrong.
She does better than most against him
If you watch the full thing she really is one of the worst
She is so intelectualy dishonest it drives me crazy lol.
How so?
Fancy new words for liar / hypocrite.
She validated his ENTIRE position for him while also fighting against it….
I wear makeup as self defense. People are nicer to me if I wear makeup. In part because I seem more vibrant, especially because I am older. Darker eyebrows and colorful cheeks create an image that says I'm still in the game. I draw the line, however, on my hair. It's too much trouble to color my great great hair. Besides, it sparkles and it's impossible to hide age anyway without plastic surgery, which itself only gives minimal help.
Apparently self defense = receives favoritism to you
@@medexamtoolscom >>Apparently self defense = receives favoritism to you
I came of age during the hippy movement. All the women I knew did not wear makeup or shave their pits and legs....or wear a bra. "Natural" was the look. A look I still desire in a woman. Doesn't take a math genius to know approximately how old I am. My last girlfriend is 57 and never wore makeup, not dyed her hair (it was long and gray) nor shaved, wore perfume, or any of the things women in our culture are encouraged to do to be attractive to men. Why do women wear makeup?
Total global cosmetic sales in 2021 were $39.2 Billion. That's why women wear makeup.
Women have been wearing make up way before it was made into a global marketing product, what are you saying? Women wear make up because they want to, no one forces them, same as they wear a micro bikini, because they want to, because they love atention from every one else, men and women alike. Attention cravers
Ey yo brother, you didn't give a reason why, you only stated a fact that the fact that it's getting bought
Assume that women always attempted to make themselves more attractive with make-up, provocative clothing, perfume, flowers, beads, tatts, shaving certain parts of their body, losing weight, etc. And then (most likely) men recognized a way to exploit that propensity. If women could be made to feel deficient by being compared to other women molded by the advertising industry to look more desirable to men, then products could be developed, and sold to bridge that gap. In other words, just buy these products and you too can be desirable.....to men. Ever notice how lesbians (the ones I've known) don't give a shit about make-up, shaving, hot looking clothes? Women are made to feel unattractive, by the advertising industry, and then sold products to make them OK. And, of course, women buy and use those products to the tune of $40 billion/year
Here's another exception, no one in my family wore makeup coz they were a a type of Pentecostals. Products only sell if there is a demand for it. Shocking how idealogs remain incapable of growth despite their age. Women and men wanna be attractive to the opposite sex there is no shame in women wanting that and wearing makeup for that reason.
I agree on the hippie natural look for the most part. But hairy armpits are a real turn off. Overall the hippie chicks were a bit of a turn off. I liked the cowgirls, no makeup, strong and independent. But if they wanted to clean up for an occasional Saturday night they cleaned up real nice.
My Wife never bothers unless we are going out for the evening and then she puts a tiny amount on. I love her for being natural rather than caked in muck.
My first wife never wore makeup. She took good care of herself, her skin was flawless, her hair always in place, her attire as tasteful as it was attractive, but she wouldn't wear makeup nor braziers. Despite the fact that she was lovely without layers of paint and festoons of baubles, she took crap from everyone, male and female, who told her she was too pretty not to wear makeup and bras ... _WTF?!_
@@BigBri550 Define "everyone", because I don't think I have ever heard a single man in my entire life complain about an attractive woman not wearing make up. This is usually women attacking each other as they seem to enjoy doing for whatever reason. Call it jealousy or pettiness, that is all I have ever seen.
Bottom line is that men wont say to no to a good looking woman or even complain what so ever if she wears no make up. In fact, most guys I've known who sleep around a lot, prefer women who don't need to spend 30 min taking off the mask before they get busy. Not to mention the women that wont take it off and everything just smears all over you... Nah.. guys don't give a crap
@someone-ji2zb First off, what I described was back in the '80s, which was a VERY superficial era. My wife (back then) heard from all of her friends, her hairdresser, and even her employer: you should wear makeup and a brazier. She ended up compromising slightly on the makeup but atood her ground on the no-bra policy.
Men found her attractive either way, as did I. But yet she was pressured to measure up to sexist standards like other females. I don't know if you can appreciate what American society was like back in the '80s. You had to be there, I guess.
@@BigBri550 You lost me at 'sexist standards'.
I have no appreciation for modern life, or anything post sexual revolution. I believe premarital sex is not only a sin, but completely illogical and has led to our society falling apart.
With that said, having certain elements of pressure from professional environments that are unfair are to be expected for both men and women. In most most cases, those elements are unfair. But if we talk about the one 'boss' in your wife's old job, what about the rest of the work place? You telling me all of those guys were of like mind? Are we really going to fall into the "exception makes the rule" argument?
Either way, I don't fully disagree with your sentiment, but the social requirement outside of work was and still is not that prevalent between the sexes. A guy will have sex with a cardboard tube, and most guys aren't going to demand their wives slap on make up every single day of their lives, especially if she is uncomfortable with it.
However, that is in regards to seeking to build a family. If a woman leverages sex to her advantage, then she might just attract those 'sexist' men who just want a hook up.
I will tell you this, being born into this wasteland that started far before I was conceived has not been fun. Logic has been thrown out the window, and what I was taught to be common sense growing up is now rare.
Anyway, to wrap up my overall feeling on this; a woman will have ZERO issue finding a husband if she wears no make up. Who gives a flying crap what her friends preach to her or what guys who want one night stands think?
@@someone-ji2zb I hear you. Where this all started was with my memories of my first wife back in the '80s, and how she was pressured- more like micro aggressed- to wear makeup and bras precisely BECAUSE she was pretty. It was like they thought she owed it to everyone else.
And I'm not sure you understand what sexism is. However, you gave a glowing example of sexism within your comment, "what about the rest of the work place? You telling me all of those guys were of like mind?" Why did it not occur to you that she worked mostly with females? You automatically assumed a male-dominated workplace: that is an example of a sexist perception.
Most of the pressure my first wife faced was from other females. Females pressured her to prove her attractiveness instead of just seeing it; males pressured her to prove her competence instead of simply recognizing she was smarter and more capable than all of them put together.
Like I said before, the '80s were probably before your time, so I conclude that you are not in a position to admonish me about my perception of a time period you cannot remember.
The idea that anyone would call her unprofessional for NOT wearing makeup is ridiculous. What a total lie to cite that as her reason.
Why have subtittles if they're inaccurate and don't help at all with the viewing experience? Its not even like its hard to understand them or anything too..
People in general want too look more attractive. Whether my wearing makeup, nice clothes, getting their hair done etc… Anyone who thinks or says that they do it “for me” or because it “ makes me feel better”, is delusional or lying to themselves in thinking that that’s an intrinsic matter.
That is true. Nobody wears it when they are alone.
It also comes with a very real cost as well. Women who wear make up every single day are causing damage to their skin, and many woman have permanent scars even before their 30s. Then when they finally decide to give it up (or mostly), it is too late and they look horrible without it due to the damage
Actually as a man that’s partly true but even home alone I get dressed etc and spray cologne it does legit make me feel better than being a mess.
@@mattt21 because it’s already ingrained in your psyche that it does.
It’s like a playing chess with the pigeon😂
My mother never wore makeup as she was a strict Baptist and also because she was a farm wife, but she never needed makeup either as she had very fine skin with a natural light golden shaded tan from working outside and had few lines, even when she passed away in her mid fifties. She was considered attractive and all she had to do was clean up and put on some nice clothes and meet everyone with a smile. Mom also didn't smoke anything or drink alcohol.
My daughter is like micro-petite and works as a college student in an advanced laboratory. She never wears make-up yet everyone alway thinks she does. She is blessed with good skin and very cute features. Most other women hate it when they find out her “made up” face is natural
Tell her she is super cool !
Well part of the reason so many women now days in the west have horrible skin, is because they wear too much make up, and they do it every single day. It does serious damage to the skin, some of which can be permanent.
My cousin's wife never wears make up (I don't think she ever did to my knowledge) at 27, and she has no acne, her skin is clear and her skin looks like a healthy person's skin. Way too many women are living in denial; sadly for most, the damage is done
>>My daughter is like micro-petite
@@someone-ji2zb As a child, I was taught by nuns, all of whom had beautiful skin. I theorized that the secret is to not drink, smoke, wear makeup, but most important: have a beautiful generous heart.
Nah, she's supposed to be the fountain of knowledge as she is a woman who has likely accepted makeup into out society
Jordan's talent is he won't let the other person get away with making broad statements without challenging them.
There is not enough makeup on this planet to make her look good
I've asked my wife and daughter this: why do women wear makeup, and their answer is; they primarily do it because it's a societal norm, like shaving legs and armpits, it's what most women do, so they do it to, subconsciously, to not look drab or get shamed by others. However, more and more women are not wearing makeup daily and are breaking out of these societal norms, like more and more men are not wearing silly neckties and three-piece suites. Women wearing rouge on their cheeks has nothing to do with sexual flush, they just do it because they've seen others do it, and it's a fading fad.
You are correct. When women wear it, they don't think they are doing it because of sexual reasons, but that were the original reasons. Prostitutes introduced it into 20th century. Today women wear it without knowing why. It's sad. I'm glad new trends of not wearing it are coming.
Yeah it's been fading since Cleopatra...go sit down-
>>they primarily do it because it's a societal norm
She is afraid of tyrranical woman , that is a begginig to start with ...
Well she’s not exactly a wallflower herself…
Any woman that is being honest will tell you they dress up for other women. It is a fact of life. But there’s no sense in having a conversation like this with people who already have your mind made up. She considers herself an articulate intellectual person, but putting that aside, an intellectual person is able to see where they could possibly be mistaken.
No, they wear makeup so they can look more sexually desirable. Women know that men are attracted to youth. Youth portends the ability to bear children.
@@MyAcsm True, yet women like the one in the video either doesn't understand this or willfully ignores it. Not sure what reality this woman lives in where older women are popping out babies left and right but after 25 the female body starts doing some weird shit. Gestational diabetes risk increases year to year after 25. Egg count only becomes lower and lower (women are born with a finite supply of eggs) and past 35 the risk of losing the baby or other major complications grows exponentially. This woman denies science and reality.
You are an insightful man to realize that women really do dress for other women's approval. So many men do not 'get' this!