"Jinnah Did Not Just Want Partition, He Wanted to Dismember India" | Karan Thapar

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  • @Dendronish
    @Dendronish 2 роки тому +149

    Those who have been arguing that Pakistan was created to be a secular state were not on a strong wicket. It is no bravery to refute them.

    • @ravisharma167
      @ravisharma167 2 роки тому

      Pakistan was created for the previliged rich landlords who had served British interests. They colluded with the Army and hard-line clerics to form what is known as the deep state.

    • @hardayaldawra1458
      @hardayaldawra1458 2 роки тому +7

      What about Calcutta Direct Action of 1946 that killed thousands of innocent Hindus.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому

      @@hardayaldawra1458 It was as wrong as hundreds of riots inflicted on Muslims by Hindus.

    • @okeng71487
      @okeng71487 5 місяців тому

      @@hardayaldawra1458 What about it?

  • @traveller8899
    @traveller8899 2 роки тому +225

    Karan must be stunned with this. How did this got published in wire 🤣

    • @patryman9474
      @patryman9474 2 роки тому

      Karan realized his job is going to over with BJP winning elections. this is his way of begging BJP to let him survive. You see Karan does not want to go to pakistan to support muslims, he made his money bashing hindus. Now that is at risk so he is switching sides to protect his rear. He also knows hindus will forgive him whereas muslims will convert or kill him.

    • @dynamicprince2054
      @dynamicprince2054 2 роки тому

      I don't think any godi media would go unbiased ever until the opposition comes in power... And then they will get advertisement from them so they will always be remain godi

    • @soulmusings1100
      @soulmusings1100 2 роки тому +16

      Exactly.....how! Wire!!😂

    • @trshuk
      @trshuk 2 роки тому +18

      This is a slap on Karan thapar thinking.

    • @tanukabanerjee1731
      @tanukabanerjee1731 2 роки тому +12

      He is trying to exonerate Nehru

  • @kavithavrao
    @kavithavrao 2 роки тому +38

    What an absolutely erudite old man. So genuine. I am going to order and read all his books.

  • @yogeshlad634
    @yogeshlad634 2 роки тому +13

    AT 7:50 see how cleverly Karan Thapar intervenes when ishtiaq starts to say some words that shows Nehru in a negative shade ... THIS IS NOT JOURNALISM ..

  • @vick2380
    @vick2380 2 роки тому +34

    LMAO...@ 6:00 , "He said there is a colonial mentality that pervades in our intellectual circle " . It would be like a dagger to Thapar's heart

    • @mayankindian3750
      @mayankindian3750 2 роки тому

      And that's the truth ☺️😊🤭😅

    • @amrita3000
      @amrita3000 10 місяців тому

      His face showed his discomfort when the professor said that. LOL

  • @commentor9002
    @commentor9002 2 роки тому +280

    “Cambridge PhD considered a divine intervention and everyone must bow down to it”. Absolutely nailed it Ishtiaq sir - the intellectuals in India are no different 🤣🤣🤣

    • @alimoosavi2935
      @alimoosavi2935 2 роки тому +2

      Would love to know if Hindi has a word for 'intellectual'.

    • @sagarsansare572
      @sagarsansare572 2 роки тому +1

      @@alimoosavi2935 the divines are names thapar..

    • @Billumian47
      @Billumian47 2 роки тому +9

      Divine Revelation not divine intervention though both mean more or less the same. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are supposed to be based on divine revelations from God to his Prophets.

    • @rawadosa90210
      @rawadosa90210 2 роки тому +6

      @@alimoosavi2935 Puncture nikal Abdool

    • @preetiharpal8257
      @preetiharpal8257 2 роки тому +1

      @@alimoosavi2935 google bhai knows all

  • @tush991
    @tush991 2 роки тому +173

    Very happy to see Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed gaining more mainstream recognition in Indian media, kudos to The Wire!!

    • @ppg1970IMMOLS
      @ppg1970IMMOLS 2 роки тому +12

      Finally wire is fairly looking at the history. Unlike Arfa khanum sherwani. She must be tutored to stop her lopsided views.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому +4

      It is sad that a shallow historian is getting currency in India.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому +1

      @@ppg1970IMMOLS Arfa is shallow. Sadly so is Professor Ishtiaq Ahmad.

    • @fifun8479
      @fifun8479 2 роки тому +2

      @@Dendronish why Arfa is shallow can u elaborate? Just because she represents only one community.like many mainstream media houses doing the same bias news.i know she is being bias bt her act is demand of today's time.

    • @subbaraotanguturu9271
      @subbaraotanguturu9271 2 роки тому +1

      @@ppg1970IMMOLS That Khangress supporting Thapar is doing this it absolves his favourites Nehru, Congi that BJP uses to criticize congress that it's cause of partition.

  • @ameyapc
    @ameyapc 2 роки тому +20

    Prof. Ahmed is a blessing for truth seekers. He is so articulate, confident and humble. The world needs more academicians and researchers like him. Kudos to The Wire.

  • @khaliddurrani6432
    @khaliddurrani6432 2 роки тому +15

    Is it possible that initially Jinnah’s slogan of a separate state for Muslims of India would be a bargaining strategy on the assumption that Indian partition would never be agreed to by both British as well as the Congress nor was a practical solution to a multi lingual, multi ethnic multi cultural State. However later he took a firm stand only when he got a green light from the ruling British who had by then decided to divide Indian subcontinent for their own vested interests.

    • @yogindrapandya789
      @yogindrapandya789 Рік тому +1

      Durrani ji; please do listen to this again. Lord Wavell and Winston Churchill were also in the frame to break Bhaarat. Churchill never liked Bhaarat's independence. The next best option was to break it into pieces for their own geopolitical interests. Jinnah was a cad. A typical Englishman like cad.

  • @darainalam6573
    @darainalam6573 2 роки тому +169

    I have heard him several times . His history telling is convincing . He is an authority.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому +5

      Please allow me to disagree.

    • @nitishsaxena1372
      @nitishsaxena1372 2 роки тому +11

      @@Dendronish nobody is stopping anyone from disagreeing but do it with facts.

    • @tarapappa1594
      @tarapappa1594 2 роки тому +3

      Nobody is an authority......

    • @ajeebdastan1152
      @ajeebdastan1152 2 роки тому

      I agree, Darain! I think it has also to with his delivery! He is calm and composed and a positive personality

    • @tarapappa1594
      @tarapappa1594 2 роки тому +1

      He behaves like Almost british actually 😅😅😅😅but still he is trash in journalism..... He always try to distort the facts.....or maybe he overlooks them...... that's why i always say not every shiny thing is gold🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @ShahjahanBhatti
    @ShahjahanBhatti 2 роки тому +25

    I have heard Professor Ishtiaq Ahmed for the first time and am happy that his views are similar as mine. Thanks God we have a great man like him among us. God give him long and healthy life!

  • @veteran4226
    @veteran4226 2 роки тому +74

    Mr Ishtiaq Ahmad has solidly put his views and backed them up with strong evidence.Karan has tried his very best to bring late Mr Jaswant Singh and LK Advani into the conversation by implying that these gentlemen who belonged to BJP, the ruling party at present had an agenda driven sympathy for Mr Jinnah. They might have had that but their subsequent political fate in their own party alludes to the fact that their party and the RSS were not in agreement with them on this issue.

    • @jitendrainamke646
      @jitendrainamke646 2 роки тому

      Yes you are right.
      Hindus were betrayed.

    • @surenderbhutani3470
      @surenderbhutani3470 Рік тому +2

      Both L, K, Adwani and Jaswant Singh were marginalised by RSS once they endorsed Jinnnah.

  • @georgecheriyan
    @georgecheriyan 2 роки тому +67

    Dr Ahmed should be given a Padma Vibhushan for debunking the myth of Jinnah being secular and saying that Pakistan was a disaster right from the beginning.

    • @patmclaughlin107
      @patmclaughlin107 2 роки тому +5

      LOL. Agreed. I wonder what Advani was smoking when he described Jinnah as secular.

    • @fucked_mojito
      @fucked_mojito 2 роки тому +2

      @@patmclaughlin107 extremely bad quality ganja loll

    • @dipakbose2677
      @dipakbose2677 2 роки тому

      He does not know enough about our history. He does not know about the Indian National Army and the Naval Mutiny of 1946. He never read the book by NS Sarila that the British decided in 1934 to divide India. Ahmed think the partition was a sudden decision of the British.

    • @richardsking
      @richardsking 2 роки тому

      The day he given an Indian award,he will be killed in pak by terrorists,and pak as usual will say this done by so called namaloom afraad.

  • @gvabs1889
    @gvabs1889 2 роки тому +46

    16:59 "Lets not get lost in details" - Karan Thapar during an academic discussion.
    Such gems of brilliance never ceases to amaze me.😄

    • @krblr2007
      @krblr2007 2 роки тому +1

      Exactly: I was eagerly waiting to hear what the professor had to say when Karan interrupted him. I really don't like the way he interrupts his guests. I have previously commented here and asked him to watch Larry King's (legend, best interviewer ever) old interviews on youtube.

    • @hrishihru
      @hrishihru Рік тому

      he has always been a loser n coward....

    • @gilespanaceas7014
      @gilespanaceas7014 Рік тому

      Yes, the man is too stupid to understand that the substance is in the detail ... How Prof. Ahmed put up with this illiterate is beyond me ...just goes to show that even Cambridge produced a lot of dross ... Hawking happens once in a lifetime

  • @Sunil-rs8vf
    @Sunil-rs8vf 2 роки тому +52

    Karan why didn’t u allow him to complete his sentence when he was saying that congress only later agreed to ensure that majority Sikh/Hindu parts of Punjab and Bengal should remain in India. Shows how much u are scared when anti congress statements/facts come out.

    • @vk274
      @vk274 2 роки тому

      Karan is a certified protector of Congress. While he shuts down Prof Ahmed the moment he mentions allegations against Nehru, he himself talks about BJP leaders Jaswant Singh and Lal Krishna Advani. Karan is shameless and doesn't even pretend to be an unbiased journalist.

    • @yuribezmenov1366
      @yuribezmenov1366 2 роки тому +3

      True bro

    • @harjindermeetsingh6258
      @harjindermeetsingh6258 2 роки тому

      Karan is mentally ill sir

    • @gooddaysharma1876
      @gooddaysharma1876 2 роки тому +3

      KaranT is Incorrigible Congress Lackey of highest pedigree

    • @bibhudattaardu9711
      @bibhudattaardu9711 2 роки тому +1

      Because he is congress bootlicker's. do not want o harm his roji roti.

  • @kartikeyapanwar
    @kartikeyapanwar 2 роки тому +75

    7:50. The moment Prof Ahmed comes to even talk about allegations against Nehru, our man pisses his pants! 🤣

    • @bonaku20
      @bonaku20 2 роки тому

      Why don't you wait until 21st min ?

    • @pranavjagdish
      @pranavjagdish 2 роки тому

      There is another video interview on the same show completely destroying Nehru with respect to the Sino-Indian border issues and subsequent war. Did not see Thapar "pissing" his pants in it. Stop being an idiot on the Internet.

    • @bikramsen9952
      @bikramsen9952 2 роки тому +2

      @@bonaku20 🤣🤣🤣
      Prof Ahmed is an open admirer of Nehru

  • @TariqMehmood-nz6jp
    @TariqMehmood-nz6jp 2 роки тому +75

    Liked Prof Istiaq Hussain's talk always, though karan didn't let him speak on a wider issue and it was reduced to Jinnah's failures or short sightedness. No mention of wider gameplay of the time and way forward.

    • @Billumian47
      @Billumian47 2 роки тому +23

      Ishtiaq Ahmed, Tariq Mehmood Sahib, do get hold of my Jinnah book for the gameplay. You can't expect an interview of 45 minutes to cover all aspects taken up in a study. It is an unreasonable demand, if I may say. The book is there for you to find all the background and gameplay you want to know about.

    • @TariqMehmood-nz6jp
      @TariqMehmood-nz6jp 2 роки тому +9

      @@Billumian47 I would read the book, thanks for the reply. I have a great respect for your insightful and passionate partition history telling. Division of Punjab/bengal/hindustan left a great scar on our collective psyche. I can't cope with the fact (though not born then) that people driven out of their homes (where they lived for centuries) for religious identity, and there were murderers, rapists living with impunity and no punishment whatsoever. Partition lead to violence and sowed the seeds of permanent enmity between India Pakistan.. with survivors swaying their sides to hate..a great tragedy.

    • @mondsouza8601
      @mondsouza8601 2 роки тому +7

      Prof. Istiaq Ahmed is a political scientist with all evidence about the subcontinent. He doesn't take anything personal. Wish we had more people like him. So nice to have him to tell us the truth. Late but better than never. We were taught all false history.

    • @Billumian47
      @Billumian47 2 роки тому +6

      @@TariqMehmood-nz6jp Sahib we then have a lot in common.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому

      @@mondsouza8601 I do not know how he is as a political scientist but he is certainly a failed wanna be historian.

  • @arshaddurrani3885
    @arshaddurrani3885 2 роки тому +9

    Thankyou for this discussion.I have almost finished reading Prof.Ishtiaq's richly resourced book.It is eye- opening in the true sense, having read and listened to 'officially certified truth' all my life in Pakistan.My complements sir.

    • @kehkashanshabeer7026
      @kehkashanshabeer7026 2 роки тому

      Most of his points are wrong. So you need to open your eyes once more

    • @r.k3261
      @r.k3261 2 роки тому

      @@kehkashanshabeer7026 how can you say that did you read his book

  • @sinandiwan333
    @sinandiwan333 2 роки тому +70

    I’m glad my ancestors chose not to leave 🇮🇳 India.. irrespective of ideological differences between our political preferences, we would chose india 🇮🇳 for generations to come!! ❤️

    • @Striker-jg9kv
      @Striker-jg9kv 2 роки тому +1

      Or else they too would be looking for imdad like imrandi katoora khan and his muhibe hijde randiye mulk islamic Republic of hira Mandi randistan Pakistan 😂😂

    • @ricksanchez3325
      @ricksanchez3325 2 роки тому +6

      I would be glad if you concede the fact that india is developing not only on industrial , but also on the liberals, leftist, conservativism, libertarianism. You should accept that most of the indian doesn't even know the iota of politics. Please ear with it, do not expect too much great things from Indians, even if you immigrate to west for better future, i would not and no one should call you traitor for that.

    • @naiyayika
      @naiyayika 2 роки тому +2

      Well that's all well and good, you are as much as an Indian as anyone else.
      However when the Muslims deny India it's identity, things get murky. Give the Hindus the right to assert their identity.

    • @divyavichar
      @divyavichar 2 роки тому +8

      Your ancestors' ancestors made a mistake by converting. You can correct it by reverting to the original ancient faith. This will remove all dilemma.

    • @abhishekgarain7379
      @abhishekgarain7379 2 роки тому +3

      There is nothing to choose, it is our(all religions) country dear, the cradle of civilization. Unity is our strength. There's no difference in any form, only misinformation. Though majority have the big role to play in making a secular society and Hindus are inherently liberals and put humanity before religion but any other person from any other religions are Indians only and share the same culture and hence a peace lover. Let's make our country the best place to live.

  • @rajanjoshi2985
    @rajanjoshi2985 2 роки тому +28

    Dear Karan please call more experts than politicians. This was truly informative

  • @r91playsind
    @r91playsind 2 роки тому +11

    38:53 the main issue
    39:08 Karan tries to keep Arfa didi happy

  • @RAMESH-js9lc
    @RAMESH-js9lc 2 роки тому +5

    Forget Jinnah. It was Sir Syed who first propounded the two nation theory. Much before the birth of Savarkar or Hindu mahasabha. Muslims have got two nations carved out of Indian subcontinent and have toe hold on another.
    What have Hindus ,the original inhabitants of the land ,got?

  • @pshivali
    @pshivali 2 роки тому +69

    This interview should be in Hindi so that truth could reach to masses

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому +1

      Unfortunately your wish will be granted.

    • @Sachin-nw5tq
      @Sachin-nw5tq 2 роки тому +1

      Go to his channel.

    • @dilipkumarkarmakar9353
      @dilipkumarkarmakar9353 2 роки тому +10

      I think, What Jinnah did by imposing Urdu, a minority language on majority people of Pakistan, as national language, is no different by Imposing Hindi, a minority language as national language on majority people in India

    • @penntemp
      @penntemp 2 роки тому +3

      The author and interviewer know Punjabi. They should speak in Punjabi.

    • @nitishsaxena1372
      @nitishsaxena1372 2 роки тому +3

      @@dilipkumarkarmakar9353 I don't totally disagree but we don't have Hindi as our national language as the Pakistanis have Urdu in their country.

  • @himanshusrivastava2025
    @himanshusrivastava2025 2 роки тому +26

    The mullahs of western UP who forced a violent partition on us are still very much a going concern, having been patronised and coddled by Congress for votebank reasons. In fact, after the cream of ML leadership went to Pakistan, INC neatly slid into its place as far as the Muslim vote was concerned.

    • @HassanKhan-lu8pw
      @HassanKhan-lu8pw 2 роки тому

      Mullahs were against partition. Learn your history.

    • @himanshusrivastava2025
      @himanshusrivastava2025 2 роки тому +3

      @@HassanKhan-lu8pw ever hear of Ashraf Ali Thanwi? Shabbir Ahmad Usmani?

    • @-RudhreshM
      @-RudhreshM 2 роки тому

      @Adeeba Hussain but thank god they left. Having a hard time dealing with 15 percentage. Can't fathom how it would be to deal with 40 percentage

  • @nitinh2499
    @nitinh2499 2 роки тому +2

    The only downside to the Partition of India was the loss of life in Punjab and Bengal in 1946 and 1947. Given the separatist tendencies from an early stage, everything else that happened then was quite logical and bound to happen, resulting in the creation of Pakistan. Jinnah’s plans to dismember India with his support for separate, smaller states and the princely states of the time came to nought. India is now on the road to rapid progress. Partition was truly a blessing for forward-thinking Indians.

    • @rahulbhaskar6790
      @rahulbhaskar6790 2 роки тому

      Communist! India is one country. Tukde tukde gang have no place in this country.

  • @snsharma2657
    @snsharma2657 2 роки тому +51

    I have read the book that runs into nealy 800 pages. The writer buttresses his research with copious and irrefetale evidence. Jinnha emerges as a narrow minded bigot who was grimly determined to dismember India. Karan's precise questions bring out the best in the learned writer.

    • @ananthan8951
      @ananthan8951 2 роки тому +2

      I assumed that Venkat Dhulipala 's exceedingly well researched book "Creating A New Medina ..." did settle the background issues, and established beyond any doubt that the Partition of India was a long deliberated and ably prosecuted project. At least in the ten years preceding Partittion, Jinnah had no second thoughts about it. Although he may not have desired a 95% - majority ideologically hardening state.

    • @goyakhan717
      @goyakhan717 2 роки тому

      Gaandi was a racist as for what he did in africa. he was racist against black people but when he got his ass kicked by whites, that was karma. lol

    • @mrahats6344
      @mrahats6344 2 роки тому +1

      @@ananthan8951 True. He lost intelligence & rational mind in vested interests. He blinded self in vested interest only didn't care for musalmaan in Hindustan. Ulemas have been misleading musalmaan in Hindustan.

    • @kehkashanshabeer7026
      @kehkashanshabeer7026 2 роки тому

      He spoke of Jinnah of 1940 and afterwards not Jinnah of 1916, who made lackhnow pact possible or of 1927, who accepted repudiation of demand of separate electrate for Muslims and who tried his best to come to some kind of agreement with congress but congress was arrogant and insisted that she is the only legitimate representative of all Indians and 1936-37 congress ministers and their communal policies were last nails in the coffin of united India. After that Jinnah never wanted any compromise short of partition.

    • @kehkashanshabeer7026
      @kehkashanshabeer7026 2 роки тому

      @@ananthan8951
      Creating a new Madina has been a dream of all Muslims since collapse of Rashideen Caliphate but it was possible within a loose federation of India as Dr Muhammad Iqbal suggested in his presidential address to Muslim league in Allahabad in 1930, where every community would be free to make rules for itself but militant secularism and arrogance of Congress made it impossible and Jinnah was forced to accept lesser evil.

  • @electricandy2011
    @electricandy2011 2 роки тому +5

    Amazing intellectual , rock solid explanation by Dr Ahmed...hats off

  • @aniljain8579
    @aniljain8579 2 роки тому +10

    All pseudo secular should listen to this interview.

  • @jayabisht1870
    @jayabisht1870 2 роки тому +35

    Thanks for inviting him on your show.
    He is a gem we need very much,the way he explains historical events with facts, data is just invaluable.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому +1

      He is more dangerous that Tarek Fateh because he sounds convincing.

    • @jayabisht1870
      @jayabisht1870 2 роки тому +3

      @@Dendronish Tarek Fateh is a joker more of an entertainer who panders to Jingoistic Indian section who loves Pak bashing,Muslim bashing.
      But Ishtiaq Ahmed is a dispassionate scholar who delves in to topic with facts, logic.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому +2

      @@jayabisht1870 He is not up to the task that he has taken upon himself. As a result he is bound to provide fuel to already rampant Islamophobia in India.

    • @jayabisht1870
      @jayabisht1870 2 роки тому +1

      @@Dendronish What he is saying is assessment of historical events(with empirical evidence) with facts, speeches, comments ,remarks given/made in past.
      If you think he does partiality then you need to listen to his previous take on communal forces (Hindutva) in Power in India , you simply cannot expect him to be singing what you want to hear. He is not there to do that.
      He is no entertainer but a scholar, I have listened to some of recorded audios of partition witnesses from Pakistan, he has uploaded these audio files on a website of a Pakistani university.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому

      @@jayabisht1870 I am not saying he did not work hard. He most probably worked very hard. Irrespective of the veracity of his stance on Hindutva dynamics today he simply does not have a grip on the essential partition narrative as brought out by the likes of Ayesha Jalal.

  • @namaha6023
    @namaha6023 2 роки тому +17

    Jinnah messed up by trying to be cunning and greedy, encouraging Hindu Princes to join him and also Dalit Hindu leaders like Jogindernath Mandal of Bengal. Instead if he had been an honest and straightforward person and gone along with Dr.Ambedkar, the father of Indian constitution who wanted total population exchange between the two countries, it would have been a blessing for both the countries instead of the curse that half-hearted partition on religious lines has turned out to be.In the future if a major civil war is to be averted, population exchange between india and Pak/Bangla seems the only permanent solution. Secularism is a failed policy globally as US experience in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, Libya etc.has shown even after spending trillions of dollars and waging many wars. India also cannot be stopped from becoming a Hindu nation as secular leaders like Nehru have lost all credibility and respect in India.Jinnah was right about the two religions, culture and civilisations to be incompatible but trying to be crooked instead of having an honest land partition as per the population cost his country as well as India heavily because Karmic law is unavoidable and one has to pay for one's misdeeds or even tolerating someone's misdeeds..

    • @ajeebdastan1152
      @ajeebdastan1152 2 роки тому +1

      Nehru did the same with Sikhs

    • @namaha6023
      @namaha6023 2 роки тому +1

      @@ajeebdastan1152 True.He called them the sword arm of India and touched their emotions instead of telling Lord Mountbatten that Sikhs had a Big empire from which the British too over and so they deserved to have atleast a small state with Lahore as their capital and all lands around it where the 9 out of 10 Gurus were born. A Sikh buffer state with Lahore as it's capital would have been an ideal situation and it would have cooperated very well with India for the benefit of both.

  • @Raj0520
    @Raj0520 2 роки тому +16

    Jinnah wanted balkanisation and dismemberment of India at any cost while Nehru wanted a strong United India with a strong centre.
    It's absolutely preposterous to think Jinnah didn't want partition of India.

    • @immammuddin5019
      @immammuddin5019 2 роки тому +3

      I agree with you on that but atleast his prediction was right and he saved a significant muslim population from the tyranny of the administration in India now. More than ever Jinnah is being revered in Pakistan now and people are now grateful for what he did

    • @Raj0520
      @Raj0520 2 роки тому +8

      @@immammuddin5019 you are judgin history on hindsight brother. What is happening India Today doesn't justify what happened in 1947.
      If partition was not done then the chances of a communal Hindu or Muslim government being elected in the centre was very less likely.
      The government would have been Secular because there would be no other choice.

    • @20tazeen
      @20tazeen 2 роки тому

      @@Raj0520 Yes, I agree with you. If Jinnah didn't propel the movement of separate Pakistan, we would have all been one. I feel there would have been peace and brotherhood among hindus and Muslims all over United India. We could have achieved a lot more, would have become a superpower in the world if we were United. He wanted to divide so that he could rule. He didn't think how painful the partition was for both hindus and Muslims. He was a selfish person. If I get a chance to go back to history, I would have loved to delete jinnah from history.

    • @sbybill3271
      @sbybill3271 2 роки тому

      @@20tazeen That's why you won't get the chance:)

    • @immammuddin5019
      @immammuddin5019 2 роки тому +2

      @@Raj0520 lol. You living in LaLa land or what? The Indian right wing didn't form after 1947 it was there all along and had a great amount of power after 1925. They went in hibernation for a couple of years after Gandhi's assassination. But they were ruling the roost all along. There were many right wing people among freedom fighters as well.

  • @benukakati9915
    @benukakati9915 2 роки тому +3

    I have watched Prof Istiaq Ahmed's talks in Arvind Sahran' s Sharad ke us par several times.
    It is always so nice to listen to this great man's truthful opinions supported with evidence.
    If we had more people like him in politics in both Pakistan and India, the region would have been more peaceful and progressive.

  • @arunsalwan8558
    @arunsalwan8558 2 роки тому +1

    Karan thapar is the king of the colonial mindset
    How many ways is he going to ask the same question? Dr. Ahmed answered him in every way possible

  • @abhisekhmahapatra7310
    @abhisekhmahapatra7310 2 роки тому +11

    From 30:30 till 31:20, Mr. Ahmed has beat the bush out of Mr. Karan 😂😂😂

    • @ashokjain5940
      @ashokjain5940 Рік тому

      Khak fark padta hai Isko. Many did screw the bush out of him for years, in boarding school and right upto Oxford. Iska pichhe ka ‘o’ nahin bhara and his pichhwada wants more!

    • @nago1987
      @nago1987 Рік тому

      Chappar guy won't let Ishtiaq Ahmed expose the real face of Jinnah or Congress.

  • @mg.f.9023
    @mg.f.9023 Рік тому +2

    Amazing insight by Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed. Every person of the subcontinent should read his books to get a glimpse of partition history. Prayers to all those who went through the agony of partition.

  • @historian2
    @historian2 2 роки тому +32

    This is a poorly done interview by Karan. He hardly allows Mr. Istiaq Ahmed to speak. He asks long-winded questions, takes several minutes, and then allows only a few seconds to answer them.
    Please pay attention to this point and adopt a more balanced approach in future interviews.

    • @crypton_8l87
      @crypton_8l87 2 роки тому +2

      well that's inevitable if his time is limited and his topic coverage is large - and the topic he covers here is Professor Ahmed's OWN book!

    • @ricksanchez3325
      @ricksanchez3325 2 роки тому +1

      Isnt that that obvious Karan Only let Buffon intellectuals like Arundhati Roy speaks for more than 10 minute for short question .

    • @zingclassy6457
      @zingclassy6457 2 роки тому

      This is a pattern with Karan. He brings on interesting personalities, but I CAN'T stand him. He never knows when to shut up and repeats himself so much. I don't understand why these interviews have to be so short too. It's not cable TV, it's UA-cam. Just take as much time as needed to dive deep into the subjects.

    • @fanpolitics6140
      @fanpolitics6140 2 роки тому

      Thapar is too full of him self

    • @manismis
      @manismis 2 роки тому +1

      Well, that is one constant in all of his interviews.
      Bringing in eminent people, and then not allowing them to speak freely, is what he is.
      A great disappointment.

  • @gurmailbath16
    @gurmailbath16 2 роки тому +1

    Prof Ishtiaq Ahmed is a very truth speaker 🙏🙏

  • @Karmazov
    @Karmazov 2 роки тому +25

    Some Muslims always quote the Jinnah speech given on August 14,1947, proving that he was a secular and wanted a secular country. This claim is utterly false and not true. He gave this speech after killing and deporting all the non-Muslims from West Pakistan, and when there were no non-Muslims left, he had the audacity to tell people that they were free to worship anyone. It is just like Hitler giving a speech after killing and deporting all the Jews from Germany that now the Jews are free to worship their religion.
    The most commonly used slogan by the Muslim League was " Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya- La illaha ill Allah " which translates to "what is meaning of Pakistan- that only Allah will be worshipped". This slogan clearly shows that there will no room for any other religion other than Islam in Pakistan.
    There is no such thing called secularism in Islam. There are only two isms in Islam, and those are Islamism and fundamentalism. There are no rights for non-muslims, and they have to live as 3rd class citizens, also known within Islam as Dhimmis. Non-Muslims are forced to worship their religion only in the privacy of their homes, their culture and customs are suppressed and they are always in danger of facing public humiliations and discrimination. Their daughters are frequently kidnapped, converted, and married off with Muslims. This is the life non-Muslims are facing in Jinnah's Pakistan.

    • @SURESHTEJA1000
      @SURESHTEJA1000 2 роки тому

      People who say that Jinnah is secular must have taken drugs.

    • @muhammadzahir7098
      @muhammadzahir7098 2 роки тому

      Unfortunately forced migration was started from East Punjab which was planned by Master Tara Singh and Maharaja Patiala to create a Sikh rule in East Punjab state.In west Punjab violence and forced migration was in a reaction of East Punjab killings. The Hindu and Sikhs were migrated about 6 .million whereas Muslims came from India about 10 million.Life losses of Muslims was more than 5 times than Hindu and Sikhs whereas financial losses of Hindu and Sikhs was more than 4 times as compared to Muslim immigrants from East Punjab.

    • @bibhudattaardu9711
      @bibhudattaardu9711 2 роки тому +1

      This ill made thought has been killing Pak everyday, and will be in dust in coming time. This is ultimate truth . A vision with Adharma has Vinash one day.. Obmama has killed so many and more to come in coming by fighting each other.

    • @shameelsh6926
      @shameelsh6926 2 роки тому

      Eloquently put but without much substance. In any ideologically driven state the priority will be given to the dominant ideology and there will be little room given for any competing ideologies. You cant expect equal rights or state backing for spreading communism in a western liberal ideological driven state and no you can expect equal rights for a liberal democrat in a communist state. Even within the so called liberal western democracies there is compulsion to "assimilate"for any ethnic minority . This nothing but a mild and respectful term used for forced conversion in to the ideology of the state. Banning Hijabs and banning the building of mosques and minarets in todays western Europe are examples of this phenomenon. In India for instance Muslims are today forced to abandon eating beef and they are even lynched for doing so. A Dhimmi however is a protected citizen of the Muslim country. He is free to practice his own believes and retain cultural values. However as in all other scenarios the Dhimmis believes and customs will not receive any state patronage. They dont need to worship in the privacy of their homes. They are free to have their own place of worship. This is why there are numerous historic places of worships in the Muslim countries today some of which have been the seat of the caliphates such as Damascus, Baghdad, Istanbul and Cairo

    • @SURESHTEJA1000
      @SURESHTEJA1000 2 роки тому

      No body is killed for eating beef in India, don't spread lies.

  • @ranbirsinghraman1554
    @ranbirsinghraman1554 2 роки тому +9

    I have always found the facts put forward by Dr Professor Ishtiaq Ahmed Sir as true and authentic. Aisa Jalal logic seems unconvincing and unfounded.
    Thanks to Dr Professor Ishtiaq Ahmed Sir and you, Karan Thapar Sir for bringing such a nice and informative interview. Wish you all the best.

    • @nandasologar9731
      @nandasologar9731 2 роки тому

      I find Aisa Jalal quite suspect and agree with Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed that Jalal that she became adapt at writing "history" sans facts!

  • @TheQuestURL
    @TheQuestURL 2 роки тому +15

    Good Discussion, but Professor Ishtiak has put nothing new on this topic, historians in India have done this job with much excellence, much earlier. He is fine while criticising old school of history in Pakistan, but he has his own limited exposure to history and his prejudices are more vocal than the facts about Jinnah. Prof VN Dutta left a great legacy behind, which is well taken forth by Prof Amarjit Singh with his legendry work on Jinnah and Partition of Punjab in Kurukshetra.
    Dear Karan Sir, it could be a more broaden conversation if the works of these historians would have kept in mind.
    Thanks

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому +4

      This is very distressing sir that Dr Ishtiaq Ahmad has missed the issue and Karan Thapar has given him space.

    • @Billumian47
      @Billumian47 2 роки тому +10

      Of course I have put nothing new!!!! You must be full of spite to say that and feel good. Bye the way, it won the Best English Non-Fiction Book Award at the Valley of Words Literary Festival, Dehradun, 2021. I am sorry your mean comments are not shared by your peers in India.

    • @timothyandersson6824
      @timothyandersson6824 2 роки тому +2

      Interesting, after more than 75 years Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed discovers that for the last 75 years all the historians were Dumb and he is the Only Researcher who could treasured this hidden fact, Nobel Foundation should give him a Nobel Prize. Prof Ahmed is Affirming that it was Mr Jinnah who did Partition and not the British “Divide and Rule theory.” Great Character Assassination for a dead individual.

    • @Sindhi001
      @Sindhi001 2 роки тому +1

      For some people the truth is hard to stomach. The fact is Jinnah was an Islamo-Fascist bigot.

    • @vivekpatil3834
      @vivekpatil3834 2 роки тому +2

      @@Billumian47 very likely Dendronish has not read this book and is unaware of all the research you have done on this subject

  • @ashokpoddar8877
    @ashokpoddar8877 2 роки тому +2

    This is a great show to learn about partition of India n Pakistan .
    Because of Mr.Karan thaper and Dr.ishtiag ahemad interviews.
    Thank you very much for the information.🙏

  • @harisadu8998
    @harisadu8998 2 роки тому +22

    Why is Karan Thapar in the title, not Ishtiaq Ahmed.

  • @rakeshchandrasrivastava6770

    Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed tears apart Karan Thapar's anti India and pro Jinnah bias. Well done Prof Ahmed.

  • @homeschoolindianmom
    @homeschoolindianmom 2 роки тому +19

    Ok, so the Indians say it was Jinnah who wanted this, while Pakistanis say it was Nehru. In reality, it was the British who wanted to create an open wound that would be difficult to heal so both sides would continue to be at loggerheads. The British were successful and continue to be.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому +2

      No my dear lady. Muslims simply wanted security in independent India and Gandhi and Nehru listened but did not agree.

    • @kevincastelino3209
      @kevincastelino3209 2 роки тому +6

      Indian Mom. If India wanted this then India would have ensured that all Muslims were sent to Pakistan. And please for Gods sake listen carefully to what these learned gentlemen are saying.

    • @mewtubeofficial
      @mewtubeofficial 2 роки тому

      In reality it was the people who killed for it. Books can lie, but not massacres.

    • @homeschoolindianmom
      @homeschoolindianmom 2 роки тому

      @@mewtubeofficial people are killers everywhere. This is is why it is important to let wounds heal and build bridges.

    • @mewtubeofficial
      @mewtubeofficial 2 роки тому +2

      @@homeschoolindianmom People are not killers anywhere. There is indoctrination and family beliefs behind it and it's still going on. It's not important to heal wounds and build any bridges, because demographic change is an irreversible loss. Instead, it's important to stop religious indoctrination in school and political indoctrination in college and make preventive laws. What you are suggesting is more hospital beds, what I a suggesting is vaccine. None of us are wrong. But only one is long term solution,

  • @ayethegreat4997
    @ayethegreat4997 2 роки тому +4

    Always love listening to Prof Saab. Follow his UA-cam channel religiously. 🙏🏼🙏🏼

  • @abhijitbhadra7853
    @abhijitbhadra7853 2 роки тому +10

    Fantastic interview. I am pleasantly surprised by Karan Thapar's preparation as well

  • @krishnar5453
    @krishnar5453 2 роки тому +3

    It seems like only Karan Thapar is surprised to find that Jinnah was never secular in his demand for Pakistan!!

  • @8makkena
    @8makkena 2 роки тому +22

    We as common men was mislead by certain people. This also nails, BJP's claim that Nehru agreed for partition for his own personal gains.

    • @sameerkhan-ii1gz
      @sameerkhan-ii1gz 2 роки тому +1

      partition happen coz congress dont want to give rights to muslms

    • @reshmanair870
      @reshmanair870 2 роки тому +3

      BJP WAS RIGHT ON HISTORY OF INDIA.. IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED

    • @rajeshji2811
      @rajeshji2811 2 роки тому +1

      I am not sure BJP said it was for personal gains of Nehru. They were against partition. Both are 2 different things.

  • @SaddamHussain-sf8hr
    @SaddamHussain-sf8hr 2 роки тому +2

    Also , There Was no word " Pakistan " in Lahore resolution .

  • @avinashkarnick385
    @avinashkarnick385 2 роки тому +8

    The unnecessary visit to Pakistan and the salutary comments that followed by Mr Jaswant Singh and Mr Advani were totally uncalled for. There was a lot of pending work for both of them back home. Our elected representatives often lose sight of the fact that the citizens of this country elect them for doing work within the country, which they neglect. They appear to acquire some kind of an aura of a celebrity around themselves and indulge in needless acts of what can only be described as self aggrandizement and cheap popularity.

  • @davidbond8540
    @davidbond8540 2 роки тому +1

    How many know that parents of Jinnah were of Hindu faith . They changed their faith to Islam so their children also did , Jinnah was teenager when change of faith happened. Why Jinnah born as Hindu wanted to dismember India ?

  • @INFAMOUS19911
    @INFAMOUS19911 2 роки тому +4

    Very surprised that the Wire was honest enough to interview the Professor. He is well known and respected.

    • @supersuper3493
      @supersuper3493 2 роки тому

      Can you give me summary or overview of this video?

    • @sunlight2078
      @sunlight2078 2 роки тому

      @@supersuper3493 can you use your brain and watch the video

  • @meret99
    @meret99 2 роки тому +2

    What a very brave man this Prof is! Salut!

  • @SudeeptaChakraborty
    @SudeeptaChakraborty 2 роки тому +15

    Surprisingly just a few days back I was reading an essay by
    Anil Nauriya, written in 1999, where he discussed and shredded Ayesha Jalal's thesis to pieces.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the update.

    • @blaster1093
      @blaster1093 2 роки тому +1

      The name is Jalal, not Zalal

    • @vivekpatil3834
      @vivekpatil3834 2 роки тому

      could you please provide link?

    • @SudeeptaChakraborty
      @SudeeptaChakraborty 2 роки тому +1

      @@vivekpatil3834 Sorry, I provided the link, but I think UA-cam deleted my comment

  • @haripaulsharma9319
    @haripaulsharma9319 18 днів тому

    Great to see a rare truthful, daring and an academician of value. Not a common occurrence in our 2 countries 👍🙏👌🫡

  • @coffeecheese
    @coffeecheese 2 роки тому +14

    Why Thapar didn’t let the Prof speak, he keeps interrupting when he was trying to bring the point of Nehru. Disrespectful & rude of Thapar he should let him finish

    • @natarajanb1905
      @natarajanb1905 2 роки тому +4

      That's Thapar's style. He is the protector of the dynasty. Anyone says anything negative about the Nehru family he will immediately interrupt and divert the topic.

    • @coffeecheese
      @coffeecheese 2 роки тому

      @@natarajanb1905 so true, Dynasties are over rated now people prefer self made individuals Yogi, Modi, Kejriwal their electoral wins are the example of people’s preference

    • @crypton_8l87
      @crypton_8l87 2 роки тому

      He has a TIME LIMIT to COVER a set of predetermined Points!

    • @coffeecheese
      @coffeecheese 2 роки тому

      @@crypton_8l87 their is a thing called editing, interrupting is still rude, a skilled interviewer nudge the speaker in the direction they want the communication to go not like Karan who is rude

  • @whocareswhoami7278
    @whocareswhoami7278 9 місяців тому

    Ironically, Jinnah helped India by preventing the Jihadi politics in India, which would have definitely occurred in a undivided India with a large Muslim population. This helped India to grow in education, economy and culture.
    🙏🇮🇳🙏

  • @pushpendergusain4262
    @pushpendergusain4262 2 роки тому +7

    23 rd March is also the martyrdom day of legendary freedom fighters Bhagat Singh, Rajguru and Sukhdev.

    • @akshay_wakodikar
      @akshay_wakodikar Рік тому

      actually lahore resolution passes on 24th march, not on 23rd march...kk aziz wrote in his book

  • @Ravishns
    @Ravishns 10 місяців тому

    One of the rare interviews of Karan where he was quite composed and conducted the interview an a very good manner. A new perspective

  • @jammRJ
    @jammRJ 2 роки тому +9

    Well Gandhi and Nehru stood on the right side of history in the moment by not creating a humanitarian crisis and in posterity as the Muslims in India thrived. Obviously we can't say the same for Pakistan or its leaders.
    Now with a change of guard on both sides or atleast in India not sure where Imran Khan will end up, history may be rewritten.
    Jinnah said different contradictory things to different people... looks like history repeating itself on the other side of the border?
    Similarly the naked ambition of one man led to the manipulation of religious people and liberals of that religion who served as useful idiots to give him extraordinary power....sounds very familiar

    • @supersuper3493
      @supersuper3493 2 роки тому +3

      Bud Gandhiji and pt. Nehru should have facilitated muslims journey to Pakistan. But they were short sighted in this case. They didn't knew that how big of a problem this will be.

    • @kanaka7552
      @kanaka7552 Рік тому

      @@supersuper3493 there are layers to that as well. By taking care of Muslims, we welcomed friendship with the Middle East. With our non alignment stand , india had no aid coming from anyone and we needed to run our country. Being a Hindu country in the midst of several Muslim countries would’ve made it much more harder for us.

  • @micbe947
    @micbe947 2 роки тому +1

    Karan, can you please give details of this book and where is it available for purchase ?

  • @bamar200
    @bamar200 2 роки тому +8

    A great interview that sheds new light on Jinnah. Thank you.

  • @nandasologar9731
    @nandasologar9731 2 роки тому

    I must Thank Karan Thapar for today's illuminating discussion with the VERY scholarly DR Ishtiaq Ahmed!
    I admit that I had come to these conclusions on my own, but with a focus on M.A.Jinnah's life! Call it bias confirmation on my part, but I have Karan Thapar and Dr. I. Ahamed on my side!
    Indian Muslims must acknowledge that they are in India b/c they're. ancestors were mere pawns abandoned in India by Jinnah's antics!

  • @chaitanyaranjan2184
    @chaitanyaranjan2184 2 роки тому +5

    Jinnah was a willing accomplice to the British who wanted a buffer state between the Soviet union and India, to serve the Western interests and prevent the USSR from getting direct access to the Indian ocean and to the gulf oil supplies. It was the saddest day for all Indians when Pakistan came into being and the Muslims under Jinnah voted for indirect British American rule
    rather than be a proud part of a united nation.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому

      Jinnah was worried about the status Muslim in Hindu ruled India. Till BJP managed to capture the center stage the things were barely OK for Muslims of India. And then the things went horribly wrong.

    • @Peaceful_World130
      @Peaceful_World130 2 роки тому +3

      @@Dendronish what about muslim illegal rule in subcontinent look at the condition of non muslim in Pakistan and Bangladesh this shows muslim rule reality

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому

      @@Peaceful_World130 Who declared it illegal? You? With what authority?

    • @tss4629
      @tss4629 2 роки тому

      Both Pakistan and Ukraine are creation of UK and USA. Both this countries have broken up would-be powerful countries of the future for their self-interest.

    • @ajeebdastan1152
      @ajeebdastan1152 2 роки тому

      @@Dendronish With the current situation in India, we are proving the Jinnahs two Nation theory was correct. We really need to work on ourselves.

  • @mountainheight
    @mountainheight 2 роки тому +1

    Wow what a work 👏 by ishtiaq sir
    Salute to your memory sir

  • @SJain-gj8xk
    @SJain-gj8xk 2 роки тому +8

    It's a pleasure to listen to Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed,he is so impartial.

  • @sefora805
    @sefora805 Рік тому +1

    This was so eye opening. And yes Jinnah had no vision. He was such a confused man. And he created a trajedy.

    • @niceguy83.
      @niceguy83. Рік тому

      Hey,you have beautiful eyes🌹🌹

  • @abhisekhmahapatra7310
    @abhisekhmahapatra7310 2 роки тому +3

    Wonderful and revealing interview 👍👌👏

  • @Manankumar007
    @Manankumar007 2 роки тому +1

    Revealing interview! Thanks

  • @chotadon967
    @chotadon967 2 роки тому +4

    6:25 😂😂 mr ahmed were talking about thapar gang

  • @rajivchopra6601
    @rajivchopra6601 2 роки тому +1

    Dr Istiaq Ahmed is absolutely correct 👌

    • @iqbalmasudkhan5505
      @iqbalmasudkhan5505 2 роки тому +1

      Without reading his book , Ishtiaq Ahmed is correct. what knowledgeable people.

  • @beniwal.mayank
    @beniwal.mayank 2 роки тому +21

    Excellent discussion and the facts exposed by Ishtiaq Sir are very imp and people should know the horrors of partition 🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому

      He is a weak and shallow historian.

    • @jaintango
      @jaintango 2 роки тому +2

      @@Dendronish says a random troll on youtube

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому

      @@jaintango Na. I am a well motivated troll. Happy?

    • @AbdulHalim-su7cv
      @AbdulHalim-su7cv 2 роки тому

      Who created horror? Who initiated, based on mythology a zone cannot remain unchanged.

  • @TheQuestURL
    @TheQuestURL 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks

    • @AMAN-cg6jx
      @AMAN-cg6jx 2 роки тому +1

      Hello The Quest big fan of dadaji (dr.sinha)🤗🥰

  • @hafizhaq
    @hafizhaq 2 роки тому +6

    I beg to differ with Dr. Ahmed, who is reading the speeches of Jinnah technically but not in substance. If he was using the idea of Pakistan as a bargaining chip, why would he announce that Pakistan is just a bargaining chip? That would immediately devalue his bargaining chip and nobody would take him and Pakistan seriously. Jinnah's prime concern was the fact on the ground that the economies of the Muslim majority areas, were almost entirely in the hands of Hindus and Sikhs, while Muslims were poor and did menial work. The financial status of Muslims in the Muslim minority areas was far better than the Muslims in the Muslim majority areas of Punjab, Bengal, Sindh, Baluchistan, and northwest Frontier Province. Jinnah's mind was preoccupied with a solution where the downtrodden Muslims in the Muslim majority areas would prosper and develop their own economies. The litmus test of this mindset of Jinnah was his acceptance of the Cabinet Mission Plan in May 1946, thereby withdrawing the demand for Pakistan. Cabinet Mission plan gave substantial independence to the 2 Muslim Majority areas within one India. Of course, he used the idea of Pakistan as a big bargaining chip very effectively in his negotiations with Indian National Congress and the British. Initially, all parties agreed on the terms of 2 semi-independent Muslim majority regions within one India, but Nehru backed out from the Cabinet mission plan leaving Jinnah with no other option but reassert the demand of Pakistan and finally get it. In view of this, I fully agree with Ayesha Jalal's assertion that Jinnah was willing to give up the idea of Pakistan if he got sufficient guarantees for the Muslims of Muslim majority areas, but this was torpedoed by Nehru. This point of view is fully supported by Rajmohan Gandhi, H.M. Seervai, Jaswant Singh and Abul Kalam's "India wins freedom's 30 pages published 30 years after his death".

    • @Billumian47
      @Billumian47 2 роки тому +3

      What a bizzare argument. Look the Jinnah book is available in both India and Pakistan and if you are serious to find out why such a point is indefensible then read how he was delivered an ultimatum by the Cabinet Missionl Plan and had not choice but to accept the CMP or leave India to Congress. Do spend some money and then make up your mind.

  • @santomenon3689
    @santomenon3689 Рік тому

    Professor Ishtiaq nailed it. History is a witness to Ishtiaq's contemporary analysis.

  • @krishishna6874
    @krishishna6874 2 роки тому +9

    Errors of the professor emeritus:
    1. To believe that Brits were keen on giving dominion status to Indo-Pak region sending one who knew nothing about it to demarcate the border, make Nehru the PM of India, occupy major government posts after independence in Pak, fear the Russian’s advance to the Arabian see, be aware of the need to suppress emerging power of India knowing its past, wanting to boost arms market, instigating the maharajas, etc. but then not keen on having the need to create Pakistan is pretty childish.
    2. To believe that this Western-educated COLD man who hardly did have a leadership trait could alone through Bal Hat instigate and create Pakistan is just not on.
    3. Religion was common but language wasn’t. In that situation, having a concrete plan to bargain with Congress but telling the language-loving Bengali people that their language would be a foreign language - Urdu - that too at the last moment can’t be said to be a good plan. It sounds abrupt and unthought of. Not to know it does not constitute leadership. Language created Bangladesh.
    4. If the ‘secular’ speech was to avoid the rush of Muslims, why not realize it and do the exchange right in the begging? But then, with the Brits dismantling Ottoman Empire to form ANTI ISLAMIC nation-loving states, would the UK allow an Islamic Pak - especially when they were still in power? The Brits were certainly not stupid.
    4. Comparing Jinnah taking pork to Hitler being a vegetarian is childish. Hitler's one had no fear. Taking Pork under Sharia = death. The absence of Namaj on Friday itself would demand his blood. But then, he would be so stupid to just go for Islam and ask for his own death!!!
    5. Jinnah sending a Pakistani to the US is his idea not that of the US.
    The fact is Pakistan was a British creation to weaken Indian power in the future, to block the Russians, to continue demeaning fighting colored people, and to sell arms for the fighting lot. Remember US benefits from Kashmir. The Islamic identity was simply used like today’s Pak ‘liberal’ generals using Jihadi’s Islamic emotions in Kashmir.

    • @mudra5114
      @mudra5114 2 роки тому

      The British destroyed the Ottoman Empire because the Ottomans ended up in the German camp. Before WW1, the British supported the Ottoman Empire to prevent Russian influence in the Middle East. Without British support, the mighty Russian Army would have raped the Ottoman Empire and taken Constantinople for Orthodox Christianity. It was British support which propped up the Ottomans in the 1800s as the Ottoman Empire was the sick man of Europe.

    • @mudra5114
      @mudra5114 2 роки тому

      Britain had no interest in weakening India.

    • @mudra5114
      @mudra5114 2 роки тому

      The British opposed the partition of India. Even Ambedkar wrote this.

    • @krishishna6874
      @krishishna6874 2 роки тому

      @@mudra5114 Ambedkar himself was working for the British and opposed the freedom movement. If the West did not have any interest in India, why is it supplying arms to Pakistan? The British ruled India for almost 2 centuries. They were not stupid. Also, action always speaks louder than words.

    • @mudra5114
      @mudra5114 2 роки тому

      @@krishishna6874 Ambedkar was interested in the emancipation of Dalits. That was his main interest. Simple as that, he was airing Ranade's views of the British Empire. Supplying weapons to Pakistan? Pakistan was their ally. Indeed the USA at times restricted Pakistan to use the weapons supplied, against India and to use them in Afghanistan during the Soviet intervention.

  • @perfectionistpersona
    @perfectionistpersona 2 роки тому +1

    Very informative interview. Thanks to both.

  • @2002georgezacharia
    @2002georgezacharia 2 роки тому +20

    One of the best sensible talks heard recently... completely enjoyed it ..

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому

      He is a dumb historian.

    • @unison2679
      @unison2679 2 роки тому

      @@Dendronish Are you a learned Historian, then share your views on 5ge show directly instead of a clandestine commenting.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому

      @@unison2679 Sooner or later Professor Ayesha Jalal will refute him. At that moment my task will be done.

    • @Sachin-nw5tq
      @Sachin-nw5tq 2 роки тому

      @@Dendronish we are waiting but i guess she is shying from facing him. I don't know what's stopping her from having a conversation with him in a controlled environment.

    • @vivekpatil3834
      @vivekpatil3834 2 роки тому

      @@Dendronish hmmm you trust ayesha jalal ??

  • @mahfilurdu697
    @mahfilurdu697 2 роки тому +2

    عایشہ جلال اور اشتیاق احمد دونوں قائد اعظم کے بارے میں بہت کچھ جانتے ہیں مگر اشتیاق احمد کا تجزیہ زیادہ مدلل انداز کا ہے۔

  • @sDuAvTaTjAe
    @sDuAvTaTjAe 2 роки тому +4

    Whatever the contemporary right wing say about Neheru, at least he wasn't a Jinnah

  • @sudipchaudhuri5702
    @sudipchaudhuri5702 2 роки тому +2

    Cambridge University's product is Karan Thapar, as well. That's why he got uneasy when the professor talked about the Cambridge University's products 😆😆

  • @sohailahmadkhan9429
    @sohailahmadkhan9429 2 роки тому +5

    Decent , interesting debate based on facts and arguments.

  • @ac_te_c_
    @ac_te_c_ 2 роки тому

    Absolutely Fantastic Conversation on Jinnah,

  • @amarendraborah6941
    @amarendraborah6941 2 роки тому +20

    There is no animosity between the general public of both the nations ! They want to live in peace and harmony ! It was the politicians - on both sides of the divide, - who had failed us ! The sequence of events in the lndian History leading to the partition will amply testify to this historical fact !

    • @mewtubeofficial
      @mewtubeofficial 2 роки тому +3

      The animosity is not of political boundary but of religious goals. If there was no animosity then why was Hindu marriage legalised only recently in Pakistan. And native Hindus taken out of leadership by law. Why is atheism illegal there? The divide is not at the border. It's at the book.

    • @amarendraborah6941
      @amarendraborah6941 2 роки тому

      It's a stark reality ! Truth hurts and hurts very deep, indeed ! Have I mentioned any political party or any religion in my narrative, herein above ! It's a figment of imagination of someone's mind ! How right was Lao Tzu in his assessment in saying - "The truth is not always beautiful nor beautiful words the truth !"

    • @M20-z4j
      @M20-z4j 2 роки тому +2

      @@mewtubeofficial I am assuming you watched the interview. So when a politician mislead people and guide them to religion as a way of thinking is that religion's fault or is that the politician's? Its interesting how both Hindu Mahasabha and Jinnah were the one propagating one nation theory (the same one Hitler was obsessed with) and infact fought elections on that theory. We can hate Congress as much as we like the fact of the matter is Indians from all walks of life and religious beliefs joined Congress for its message and what it stood for.

    • @amarendraborah6941
      @amarendraborah6941 2 роки тому

      Invoking politics and religion - irrespective of religion and political affiliation - will ever serve - anyone's interest - in any way - in the long run !

    • @M20-z4j
      @M20-z4j 2 роки тому +1

      @@amarendraborah6941 It does serves the purpose for someone who wants to grab the power. It served Hitler for sure and so did for Jinnah and Modi.

  • @pankajhedaoo853
    @pankajhedaoo853 Рік тому +1

    Thanks Prof for demolishing MY MISUNDERSTANDING of Jinnah... Thank God! We had Nehru (groomed well by Gandhi) with Sardar, Maulana, Rajendra Prasad etc in tow.

  • @rashidahmad4423
    @rashidahmad4423 2 роки тому +4

    There are two questions for you, Professor Ishtiaq from my side: Had the Congress agreed to Jinnah's Fourteen Points on the future Constitution of India, would he had agreed to a united India? My second question is that some people are of the opinion that movement for Pakistan was nothing but a movement for maximum provincial autonomy. What do you that had the Congress not insisted for India on a federal structure with strong centre as was the case with Nehru Report, would there had been no need for the demand for a separate land for the Muslims of India
    Rashid Ahmad Khan former Professor of Political Science, University of the Punjab, Lahore

    • @patmclaughlin107
      @patmclaughlin107 2 роки тому +4

      He just talked about it, right? Congress’ stand had no bearing on Jinnah’s position on dividing India and creating a separate country for Muslims.

    • @Billumian47
      @Billumian47 2 роки тому +8

      Please read the Jinnah book. I cannot go around answering questions which need detailed information and analysis which are presented in 808 pages.

    • @patmclaughlin107
      @patmclaughlin107 2 роки тому +7

      @@Billumian47 Professor, I shared the video with my friends. Needless to say, as an Indian, my blood pressure went up by a few notches as I watched the video. Clearly India was taken for a ride by the wily Jinnah. Great work. Thank you.

    • @mdas5990
      @mdas5990 2 роки тому

      Dr. Ishtiaq is/was/will be an exception, Jinnah (A hidden Atheist who used to eat pork, drank alcohol and he never knew how to pray in a mosque, never kept Roza, he did not know wtf is Urdu etc. etc.), you had one painting of Jinnah in Karachi House with alcohol which was removed to propagate lies of Muslim Pakistan. Only thing Pakistanis (most of them, not all) good is at lying about history. "If you kill history, History will kill you". Jinnah just used muslim woo-woo of Ummah Utopia propaganda (As Muslims live in eternal fear of mythical hell curtesy to their mullahs). He became leader of Muslims with British help who were interested in using muslims to fight against Russian and wanted to have a buffer state. Pakistan was used against Russians till 1990, once your usefulness is over , Western block throw Pakistan in dust.

    • @kanaka7552
      @kanaka7552 Рік тому

      India would‘ve become what Pakistan has become today, with the states having more power than the centre. No thank you. Whatever has happened has happened for good. You should’ve stood on your word and left India completely but those who voted for a separate country, 2/3rds of them stayed back in India.Only 1/3rd of those Muslims ended up moving to Pakistan. If it was so difficult to stay with Hindus, why did so many of them stay back?

  • @archanavinod1
    @archanavinod1 2 роки тому +2

    More than Jinnah's character revelation ,I am stunned because it is broadcasted in 'The Wire'🤣🤣

  • @biswsjitbordoloi4329
    @biswsjitbordoloi4329 2 роки тому +14

    Dr istiaq Ahmed sir is telling the facts.

  • @mbbsexpertsinternational-f8124
    @mbbsexpertsinternational-f8124 2 роки тому +1

    We are Thankful to our beloved Leader, Respected Muhammad Ali Jinah, that we got freedom under his uncompromised, brave leadership. Alhamdullilah, the situation of minorities (Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, etc) in India is alarming and worrisome these days.

    • @kanaka7552
      @kanaka7552 Рік тому

      Lol. Is it? Aww. We understand this is how you cope. Good luck!🤌

  • @arijitasen541
    @arijitasen541 2 роки тому +13

    Dr Ahmed will get a lot of hate from his country for sure. His view's on what Jinnah wanted is getting fulfilled by the hyper-nationalists in India.

    • @rashidaquil5284
      @rashidaquil5284 2 роки тому +5

      He is still living happily in pakistan for years

    • @dugyan
      @dugyan 2 роки тому +1

      He has been saying this for many years. Pakistan is completely addicted to myths of Islamic supremacy and Hindu habits of perfidy and cowardice to be swayed by things like facts and evidence.

    • @vpjoshi2
      @vpjoshi2 2 роки тому +2

      @@rashidaquil5284 no, he live in Sweden. He is a Swedish national.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому

      Dr Ishtiaq Ahmad is shallow, dimwit and deluded. If that is taken as hatred then so be it. For the record I am not a Pakistani.

    • @binurajs
      @binurajs 2 роки тому

      As far i know he is living in Sweeden

  • @pradeeptachhotray1137
    @pradeeptachhotray1137 2 роки тому +1

    Dr. Istiaq Ahmed 🙏🙏, 🙏 , truly emphatic & illustrative vision, , Passage to History of Pakistan

  • @shubhadeepdas531
    @shubhadeepdas531 2 роки тому +7

    This interview revealed a lot of new facts... thank you Dr. Ahmed..

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому +1

      Please be careful while taking anything from him.

  • @karyben5946
    @karyben5946 2 роки тому +1

    Great interview sir as always, thank you LORD KARAN THAPAR!

  • @moderndemocracychannel4699
    @moderndemocracychannel4699 2 роки тому +4

    Mr jinnah not only broken united India but he worked for disintegration of India as vilen did . His role was not limited to vilen but threw the whole Muslims in medieval ideology defeating the progressive thoughts of modern nations. Moreover his Direct action day and mass killings destroyed the humanity, civilization, hatred of Hindu and Muslims deeply rooted. So his efforts are not in positive direction. Now Pakistan is reality but wrong thoughts can't be appreciated

  • @Galavya41
    @Galavya41 2 роки тому +1

    I have heard Ishtiaq Ahmed ji several times and am an great fan of his writing . I have all his books in my collection and will be getting this one soon as well . Hence Prof. Ahmed's views are not new to me BUT I am amazed that how come The Wire decided to upload this ? Prof. Ahmed is so direct and does not care about political correctness that even though he is a Pakistani he has shattered many of leftist narratives which The Wire holds as ' ultimate truths ' .

  • @cswaroop2
    @cswaroop2 2 роки тому +4

    Great story teller from South Asia.

  • @babloo355
    @babloo355 Рік тому

    I agree with Prof ishtiaq 100%

  • @shrabonibabu
    @shrabonibabu 2 роки тому +4

    By promotion of Jinnah's secular attributes bjp could run very successful anti congress message blaming Nehru and his ambition was responsible for partition of India.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому +2

      May be LK Advani was trying that. Sadly Modi upset the apple-cart, if that is what Advani was trying.

    • @sunlight2078
      @sunlight2078 2 роки тому

      BJP knows Jinnah wasn't secular and was an Islamist. They blame the secular Congress and Nehru for not taking a hard stand against the Muslim League and Partition

  • @PTI_USA
    @PTI_USA 2 роки тому +2

    This is a ground breaking, path breaking - must watch video for any one interested in India's Partition and Pakistan's Creation ! I predict that this video will get atleast 100m views in the next 10 years

  • @situcftri
    @situcftri 2 роки тому +8

    Wow what a revelation!
    Karan - its not about many being happy in India, its about analysing historical facts and seeing them with the right lens.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому +1

      Dr Ishtiaq lacks depth and he has missed too many nuances.

    • @situcftri
      @situcftri 2 роки тому +3

      @@Dendronish such as? Please elaborate

    • @unison2679
      @unison2679 2 роки тому

      @@situcftri He himself doesn't know, simple posts a comment.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому

      @@situcftri Let me try. Indian Muslims and Hindus were struggling for freedom of India. In this process Muslims became aware of the fact that in independent India things will be decided by popular vote. Since Muslim were a minority even in undivided India their voice will get cancelled in the democratic process. Muslims wanted assurance on the point. Congress did not provide any assurance. In desperation Jinnah negotiated for separation of Muslim majority areas. These are Pakistan and Bangladesh today. In the process leading to the partition of India at independence Jinnah tried utmost to avoid partition. This is what Ayesha Jalal is saying. The idiot, that Professor Ishtiaq Ahmad is, is not getting that point.

    • @Dendronish
      @Dendronish 2 роки тому

      @@unison2679 Please read my reply to situcftri and let me know of your views.