I feel that as an Fe person, entp the range of emotions is okay. One can laugh and someone could cry, who I’m I to tell someone how to react. That’s what it feels like.
Pete is right, there is no self growth unless you contract warts on the top of your scalp or something. Better to focus on real pursuits, like food on your table or making your life blissful. The problem with De-doms is probably lack of self-time.
As an entp, I'd need to ask more questions. Can't pretend that this is normal for his delicate sensibilitys. The wet wipe was pure cringe, so I'd probably laugh too just to get through it. 🤨 Besides, im pretty sure a weird orgasom class with strange women won't cure intimacy issues... it probably just exasperated them.
Lol you chose his worst picture, where he has that awful 80s haircut 😆😆😆 Wait, now I can connect- he has OLD days haircut and he has yoga with OLD ladies? Yeah, he has some issues.
I came to the comment section to see what everyone decided … turns out no one agrees lol. I think he is an INFP but tries to act more sensing and thinking based like an istp would. If I were a comedian I would do the same thing as an INFP. And in fact I do try to act sensing and thinking when I’m telling jokes. But who knows
Interesting. I am curious how you view Theo's quirkiness/creativity in his conversations. Even among other comics where there are a lot of Ne users, his creativity to say random stories is high among comics. I always assumed it was Ne, but I assume it could be other functions working together if I don't understand Ne fully.
No, ops just doesn't understand Ne in the slightest bit lol. I'd say at least half of these typing's are borderline unbelievable. Ne-dom Buffet and fucking typing Theo Von as an istp lol.
@@therealcoro Agreed. OPS does not have good typings and not a good understanding of other functions than their own. Just like jennifer lawrence where it's super clear she is an Ne dom
Yea I mean. I am an istp myself and watched dozens of theo von podcasts. Just can't wrap my head around the Ne. There is no way he has 7th slot Ne, but I guess I have to watch the full episode to understand the logic or material they were using to type him to understand this. It would also be interesting if they factored this in somewhere.
@@bradyconlon don't think about it in a "7th slot" type of way... Ne isn't "randomness" or being spontaneous/quirky either ... What they are looking at is "what is this person paying attention to" in terms of patterns and a common thread behind the information that's given (where is this leading to, what can be derived from it without delving too specifically into what "it" or "this" is) or rather the information itself and concrete data like specific situations, specific datapoints... concrete and real world phenomena that anyone can experience with their own body, no extrapolation, no guessing, no clear direction or vernalization of the pattern
He’s a Sleep Last ISTP so he is the most extroverted kind of ISTP, more extroverted than some ESTPs But his main fears and human need will still match that of an IxxP
damn y'all type a lot of Te and Se people but Theo is super ridiculous and theatrical on purpose, which should be considered, he knows what he's saying is weird.
Yeah. I am pretty sure that he is making fun of Fi: "I am dealing with some stuff and I am taking it out on you". Ti people do not know, or admit this kind of stuff. Even though they are doing it constantly. Pete is also Ti, so he knows that it is a joke. The other two, Fi people, think that he is serious. Because that kind of explanation and admitting their own emotional state is normal for them
@@imiguifurr Thanks. Your comment is very helpful. How nobody else thought of it until now. We are all the same and difference in personalities is a mere illusion
@@jankom.7783 Not an illusion. Your perception of them is... "Everyone does everything" means that anecdotal evidence is of little to no help in figuring out what type you are. It means that you can justify typing anyone (especially yourself) into any type you want by using the few times in which the person did x or y. The illusion of confidence is all about biased perception, which is impossible to overcome by yourself. The thing dave and shan decided to pursue isn't behaviour. But rather perception itself and the personal processing of it. Meaning "what is the subject stuck on? What impacted them and how? How are they seeking to overcome it?"
Ok so I don't know people names but what is wrong with the ENTP she usually has so much energy and she look emotionally stressed. I hope everything works out. U guys are my favorite energy to watch.
NOPE. If the OPS methodology 1.) factored everyone's usage of the 8 functions (both valued and unvalued, strong and weak) and 2.) the varying manifestations/dynamics (at the physical, psychological, social level) of each function into its analysis, the vast majority of their typings would be far more accurate. Chris DeStefano is an ESTP, not an ENTJ, as is the case with most of the people they mistype as the Te/Se subtype of ENTJ. As an archetype, the ENTJ is FUNDAMENTALLY defined by their strong intuition--both Ni (valued) AND Ne (unvalued)--therefore, unless severely brain broken, it would make absolutely no fucking sense for them to routinely and systematically bypass the very traits that theoretically and applicably make them who they are. An ESTP's two strongest functions are Se (valued) and Te (unvalued) and, oftentimes, they are used in tandem. When the beef popped off, as Chris interrogated the logic of Theo's actions via "how?"/"what?"/"who?"/"where?" [aspects of Te], he also manifested an explosive body based energy and excitability [aspects of Se]. What FUNDAMENTALLY makes a sensor, a sensor, (and especially those that value Se) is that we are very "embodied" and more in touch wth our physical presence, energy, and power than we are with our "heady," more abstracted and corporeally disengaged, mental energy. This is a crucial aspect of Jung's work and even OPS alleges to acknowledge this distinction. Concerning the physical manifestations of Si/Se vs Ni/Ne, as a RULE, intuitives and sensors do not manifest the same levels of body based presence, energy, power, confidence, and awareness. Chris instinctively (easily and readily) stepped on the Se when he felt the need to check Theo and put him in his place--this is the social aspect of Se that involves the wielding and manipulation of one's personal power in opposition to another's power. ESTPs are hard wired for this type of immediate response, whereas ACTUAL ENTJs are not. Se involves more dynamic components than simply being aware of the concrete, externalized, objective data/facts.
Some very valid points here, why are ESTPs strongest functions Se and Te? You maintain that’s the case for all types that their 1st and 6th functions are the strongest? And if so what do you mean by “strongest” ?
All fair points. And I, amongst many (including yourself), see the Te/Se bias they've always displayed. In my experience (been in here from the jump), you will likely be relegated into the: "Yeeeeup. Of *fkn_COURSE* they would say that; they're _______ type/energy," "box." It's tough because Te/Se *is/are* the most objective functions. So I totally understand how encouraging Dave & Shan to see "blind spots," for *them,* with all their experience *&* cognitive stacking, is essentially a waste of time; 1. it won't have any effect-some of us have been trying for literally years.2. Why should we *expect* they go backwards, when they're running a successful recipe? 3. Yes. I agree that the answer to #2 is cuz Objective Science... Which they are claiming to represent.. Whilst tragicomically & stubbornly being biased. But granularly & practically speaking, there's waaaay more benefit than blunder to take away from here than not. Maybe make your own interpretation of typing? "Necessity = Invention" 🤔🤓 Now.... That being said, I want to push back a bit on the ENTJ portion of your analyses. Dude was full on triggered, and based on what appeared to be a challenge to his subjective experience/feelings/moral/ethical compass, and on what appears to be the foundation of *"obviously objective & communally agreed upon standards"* (looks around for validation to support his tirade on the way back up from feeling as though his big phat !I'M OBJECTIVELY RIGHT! was disrespectfully slighted... Then offers a "DO" type of apology... Cuz that's what a good guy is supposed to do, ya know, naturally.. "Don't wanna be an a$$hole. That's not what a True Leader is supposed to do. Nope. Only a$$hole's do that. And I'm not an a$$hole. I'm a good guy. ...always out here helping e'rbody all day and hwhat_naught)." Whereas Theo, on the other hand, reluctantly did the opposite with his feelings: He read the Objective feels. And Resepctfully adapted... Albeit reluctantly. In closing, I found this lecture an amazing demonstration of Fe/Fi (whence in the 4th position of an individual's central type). Hope to see more of ya in here. Emperor's should be fully clothed. Afterall, aren't they the demonstrative examples?
Anybody can show intense sensory presence. Intuitives need to make an effort for it and sensors need to make an effort to make it stop, that's it. Don't forget widely varying experience and mindsets. I see that you DO value Se, but there is no such thing as an exclusively ESTP's usage of Se Also, who are those actual ENTJs that you refer in all caps? How large is your selection of actual ENTJs? Who reviewed this selection? How? Or do you refer the pure idea of ENTJ that you've consumed and personalized? I'm sorry, so many questions
So when are yall gonna put out a test so ppl can find their own savior functions and sleep, play, consume bs? If you're going to add to the wheel might as well go all in. Otherwise you're just charlatans here for entertainment without anything to back it up
Even evidence-based psychological testing developed by experts needs to also be interpreted by an expert. There's no test in existence that can for instance diagnose someone with a single aspect of mental health through the internet, merely provide a suggestion that it could exist. Which is how even the best of MBTI tests should be viewed, as a suggestion or starting place for more research. How can anyone expect to develop a test that is actually reliable enough and is testing for what it's supposed to to assess an person's entire personality to this kind of detail when the closest thing we have is The Big Five?
A test wouldn 't do shit all. So what benefit is there in that? Carl Jung tried that, and people came at him with their own preconceived ideas of what they were and said that it was wrong. Humanity can't even be trusted with it's own analysis, yet somehow a test is the thing that can solve the entire problem.
@@hungcapitalllThey do have a test, and all it takes is following their class for at least three months, submitting a video & the fee. If you don’t want to take the steps set forth, don’t complain. Easy
Their whole theory is about tracking behaviour long term as well as the input from others and how they perceive you, there will never be a test, because you can't type yourself.
@pazuzu Dude, non Ne types literally couldn't do what he does. Ti is introverted function, it's deep reasoning, but it also depends on your knowledge. He's uneducated so his Ti is ill-informed, that's why he relies alot on his Si 3rd. Always bringing up stuff from the past.
@@entropyfun I mean cmon have u seen the guy, the most Se hill Billy u can get. Even based on physiognomy clear STP. But less agrees to disagrees. Mashallah?
@@Brickwilliams beg to differ... Humans without exception are hardwired to perceive to world wrong/incomplete... It's literally how we survived... Define "thinking" in the way you've been using it
Wow. That was an interesting dynamic. Lol.
"I *will* take one." 😂
Loved Stavros's older brother's reactions in the background there 🤣
PS
*"Yeeah"*
😬🤓
"Hence empirical universality is only the result of our choosing to upgrade validity from one that holds in most cases to one that holds in all..."
I love that
I feel that as an Fe person, entp the range of emotions is okay. One can laugh and someone could cry, who I’m I to tell someone how to react. That’s what it feels like.
Pete is right, there is no self growth unless you contract warts on the top of your scalp or something. Better to focus on real pursuits, like food on your table or making your life blissful. The problem with De-doms is probably lack of self-time.
As an entp, I'd need to ask more questions. Can't pretend that this is normal for his delicate sensibilitys. The wet wipe was pure cringe, so I'd probably laugh too just to get through it. 🤨 Besides, im pretty sure a weird orgasom class with strange women won't cure intimacy issues... it probably just exasperated them.
I wouldn’t laugh as an INFP I can tell when it’s a little personally quick.
only thing I disagree about this video is you guys saying that this situation could ever become a "and they never talked again" lmao
Love all these people who dont understand OPS telling Dave and Shan they're typing people wrong according to Myers Briggs
Lol you chose his worst picture, where he has that awful 80s haircut 😆😆😆 Wait, now I can connect- he has OLD days haircut and he has yoga with OLD ladies? Yeah, he has some issues.
This video is already uploaded on there website
Yes, that is the pattern to their uploads
ISTP Slash
ENTJ Axl
I came to the comment section to see what everyone decided … turns out no one agrees lol. I think he is an INFP but tries to act more sensing and thinking based like an istp would. If I were a comedian I would do the same thing as an INFP. And in fact I do try to act sensing and thinking when I’m telling jokes. But who knows
I also believe him to be an INFP ☺️
Exactly! That's what I came for. On PDB out of 250 votes I'm the only one saying he is INFP. People are just blind!
Interesting. I am curious how you view Theo's quirkiness/creativity in his conversations. Even among other comics where there are a lot of Ne users, his creativity to say random stories is high among comics. I always assumed it was Ne, but I assume it could be other functions working together if I don't understand Ne fully.
No, ops just doesn't understand Ne in the slightest bit lol. I'd say at least half of these typing's are borderline unbelievable. Ne-dom Buffet and fucking typing Theo Von as an istp lol.
@@therealcoro Agreed. OPS does not have good typings and not a good understanding of other functions than their own. Just like jennifer lawrence where it's super clear she is an Ne dom
Yea I mean. I am an istp myself and watched dozens of theo von podcasts. Just can't wrap my head around the Ne. There is no way he has 7th slot Ne, but I guess I have to watch the full episode to understand the logic or material they were using to type him to understand this. It would also be interesting if they factored this in somewhere.
@@PowerRedBullTypology "good typings" aka if they agree with me 😂😂😂
@@bradyconlon don't think about it in a "7th slot" type of way... Ne isn't "randomness" or being spontaneous/quirky either ...
What they are looking at is "what is this person paying attention to" in terms of patterns and a common thread behind the information that's given (where is this leading to, what can be derived from it without delving too specifically into what "it" or "this" is) or rather the information itself and concrete data like specific situations, specific datapoints... concrete and real world phenomena that anyone can experience with their own body, no extrapolation, no guessing, no clear direction or vernalization of the pattern
I think of Theo as more of an ESTP
He’s a Sleep Last ISTP so he is the most extroverted kind of ISTP, more extroverted than some ESTPs
But his main fears and human need will still match that of an IxxP
ENFP and the other guy is ESTP.
This is a terrible typing… ISTP? Critical Ti + Ni foresight introverted cognition?
damn y'all type a lot of Te and Se people
but Theo is super ridiculous and theatrical on purpose, which should be considered, he knows what he's saying is weird.
Yeah. I am pretty sure that he is making fun of Fi: "I am dealing with some stuff and I am taking it out on you". Ti people do not know, or admit this kind of stuff. Even though they are doing it constantly. Pete is also Ti, so he knows that it is a joke. The other two, Fi people, think that he is serious. Because that kind of explanation and admitting their own emotional state is normal for them
@@jankom.7783 Everyone does everything, regardless of type...
@@imiguifurr Thanks. Your comment is very helpful. How nobody else thought of it until now. We are all the same and difference in personalities is a mere illusion
@@jankom.7783 Not an illusion. Your perception of them is...
"Everyone does everything" means that anecdotal evidence is of little to no help in figuring out what type you are. It means that you can justify typing anyone (especially yourself) into any type you want by using the few times in which the person did x or y. The illusion of confidence is all about biased perception, which is impossible to overcome by yourself.
The thing dave and shan decided to pursue isn't behaviour. But rather perception itself and the personal processing of it. Meaning "what is the subject stuck on? What impacted them and how? How are they seeking to overcome it?"
@@imiguifurr What do you think behaviour is?
Literally never seen you type anyone correctly
Their heads are so far up their bums. And they don't understand Se too well.
who are you?
He is an ENFP (ego) His super ego is ESTP
This guy ain't aint no way in hell an ISTP lmao!!
So how you explain that, because he is not ISTP.😅
@@sdn5682 I don't understand your grammar/english sorry
Ok so I don't know people names but what is wrong with the ENTP she usually has so much energy and she look emotionally stressed. I hope everything works out. U guys are my favorite energy to watch.
NOPE. If the OPS methodology 1.) factored everyone's usage of the 8 functions (both valued and unvalued, strong and weak) and 2.) the varying manifestations/dynamics (at the physical, psychological, social level) of each function into its analysis, the vast majority of their typings would be far more accurate.
Chris DeStefano is an ESTP, not an ENTJ, as is the case with most of the people they mistype as the Te/Se subtype of ENTJ. As an archetype, the ENTJ is FUNDAMENTALLY defined by their strong intuition--both Ni (valued) AND Ne (unvalued)--therefore, unless severely brain broken, it would make absolutely no fucking sense for them to routinely and systematically bypass the very traits that theoretically and applicably make them who they are.
An ESTP's two strongest functions are Se (valued) and Te (unvalued) and, oftentimes, they are used in tandem. When the beef popped off, as Chris interrogated the logic of Theo's actions via "how?"/"what?"/"who?"/"where?" [aspects of Te], he also manifested an explosive body based energy and excitability [aspects of Se].
What FUNDAMENTALLY makes a sensor, a sensor, (and especially those that value Se) is that we are very "embodied" and more in touch wth our physical presence, energy, and power than we are with our "heady," more abstracted and corporeally disengaged, mental energy. This is a crucial aspect of Jung's work and even OPS alleges to acknowledge this distinction. Concerning the physical manifestations of Si/Se vs Ni/Ne, as a RULE, intuitives and sensors do not manifest the same levels of body based presence, energy, power, confidence, and awareness.
Chris instinctively (easily and readily) stepped on the Se when he felt the need to check Theo and put him in his place--this is the social aspect of Se that involves the wielding and manipulation of one's personal power in opposition to another's power. ESTPs are hard wired for this type of immediate response, whereas ACTUAL ENTJs are not. Se involves more dynamic components than simply being aware of the concrete, externalized, objective data/facts.
Some very valid points here, why are ESTPs strongest functions Se and Te? You maintain that’s the case for all types that their 1st and 6th functions are the strongest? And if so what do you mean by “strongest” ?
All fair points.
And I, amongst many (including yourself), see the Te/Se bias they've always displayed.
In my experience (been in here from the jump), you will likely be relegated into the:
"Yeeeeup. Of *fkn_COURSE* they would say that; they're _______ type/energy," "box."
It's tough because Te/Se *is/are* the most objective functions.
So I totally understand how encouraging Dave & Shan to see "blind spots," for *them,* with all their experience *&* cognitive stacking, is essentially a waste of time; 1. it won't have any effect-some of us have been trying for literally years.2. Why should we *expect* they go backwards, when they're running a successful recipe?
3. Yes.
I agree that the answer to #2 is cuz Objective Science... Which they are claiming to represent.. Whilst tragicomically & stubbornly being biased.
But granularly & practically speaking, there's waaaay more benefit than blunder to take away from here than not.
Maybe make your own interpretation of typing?
"Necessity = Invention"
🤔🤓
Now....
That being said, I want to push back a bit on the ENTJ portion of your analyses.
Dude was full on triggered, and based on what appeared to be a challenge to his subjective experience/feelings/moral/ethical compass, and on what appears to be the foundation of *"obviously objective & communally agreed upon standards"* (looks around for validation to support his tirade on the way back up from feeling as though his big phat !I'M OBJECTIVELY RIGHT! was disrespectfully slighted... Then offers a "DO" type of apology... Cuz that's what a good guy is supposed to do, ya know, naturally..
"Don't wanna be an a$$hole. That's not what a True Leader is supposed to do.
Nope.
Only a$$hole's do that.
And I'm not an a$$hole.
I'm a good guy.
...always out here helping e'rbody all day and hwhat_naught)."
Whereas Theo, on the other hand, reluctantly did the opposite with his feelings:
He read the Objective feels.
And Resepctfully adapted...
Albeit reluctantly.
In closing, I found this lecture an amazing demonstration of Fe/Fi (whence in the 4th position of an individual's central type).
Hope to see more of ya in here.
Emperor's should be fully clothed.
Afterall, aren't they the demonstrative examples?
U mean, Se ti for estp
@@jameskirton4469 yeah. would like to hear @obsolete2319's take on why they see Ti instead of Te
Anybody can show intense sensory presence.
Intuitives need to make an effort for it and sensors need to make an effort to make it stop, that's it. Don't forget widely varying experience and mindsets. I see that you DO value Se, but there is no such thing as an exclusively ESTP's usage of Se
Also, who are those actual ENTJs that you refer in all caps? How large is your selection of actual ENTJs? Who reviewed this selection? How? Or do you refer the pure idea of ENTJ that you've consumed and personalized? I'm sorry, so many questions
So when are yall gonna put out a test so ppl can find their own savior functions and sleep, play, consume bs?
If you're going to add to the wheel might as well go all in. Otherwise you're just charlatans here for entertainment without anything to back it up
Even evidence-based psychological testing developed by experts needs to also be interpreted by an expert. There's no test in existence that can for instance diagnose someone with a single aspect of mental health through the internet, merely provide a suggestion that it could exist. Which is how even the best of MBTI tests should be viewed, as a suggestion or starting place for more research. How can anyone expect to develop a test that is actually reliable enough and is testing for what it's supposed to to assess an person's entire personality to this kind of detail when the closest thing we have is The Big Five?
@@BlueHazyDreams watch the video, barney roasts kid's shoes. You'll thank me later
A test wouldn 't do shit all. So what benefit is there in that? Carl Jung tried that, and people came at him with their own preconceived ideas of what they were and said that it was wrong. Humanity can't even be trusted with it's own analysis, yet somehow a test is the thing that can solve the entire problem.
@@hungcapitalllThey do have a test, and all it takes is following their class for at least three months, submitting a video & the fee. If you don’t want to take the steps set forth, don’t complain. Easy
Their whole theory is about tracking behaviour long term as well as the input from others and how they perceive you, there will never be a test, because you can't type yourself.
HUH? Theo Von is 100% ENFP. He's like the most Ne dom guy on earth
Also Chris Destefano is an ESTP, not ENTJ
Theo is ISTP
This is starting to sound like stereotypes, which already can't be trusted.
According to whom?
best way to verify is to use CS Joseph's type grid imo
No, INTP Theo. I'm isfp, there's no way that Ne 7th can be so quick intuiting in the moment. You guys are offf!!!!
He's literally bart Simpson savoir Ne r u kidding me 🐈
@@jameskirton4469 No, ENFPs are Ti blind, Theo's got alot of quirky Ti thinking with no Se
@pazuzu Dude, non Ne types literally couldn't do what he does. Ti is introverted function, it's deep reasoning, but it also depends on your knowledge. He's uneducated so his Ti is ill-informed, that's why he relies alot on his Si 3rd. Always bringing up stuff from the past.
@@entropyfun I mean cmon have u seen the guy, the most Se hill Billy u can get. Even based on physiognomy clear STP. But less agrees to disagrees. Mashallah?
@@entropyfun wait ur telling me barts an ENFP.... What and homers on INTJ?
I think Theo is an enfj with underdeveloped ni
Yeah, a lot of people think a lot of things
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@imiguifurr and a lot of people are correct about the things they think
@@Brickwilliams naturally, many more of them are wrong
@@imiguifurr not really
@@Brickwilliams beg to differ... Humans without exception are hardwired to perceive to world wrong/incomplete... It's literally how we survived...
Define "thinking" in the way you've been using it