Why This New EV Battery Could End Gas Forever
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CATL is a battery company responsible for many EV batteries across the entire globe for several companies including Tesla, Ford, BMW, and more. CATL is well-known for their leading innovation in Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) batteries which are so good that Tesla uses them in some variants of the Model 3 & Model Y.
LFP batteries have better thermal stability and can tolerate higher temperatures without significant degradation with a lower risk of fire. LFP batteries can be charged to 100% state-of-charge daily, and they typically have a longer life span and can withstand a larger number of charge-discharge cycles before experiencing significant degradation. LFP batteries tend to have a lower environmental impact in terms of resource mining since they do not contain cobalt and nickel.
Given these advantages, LFP batteries will play a huge part in the world’s transition to electric vehicles, and CATL has demonstrated its expertise this field with the introduction of their new Shenxing Plus battery: the world’s 1st LFP battery capable of 4C super-fast charging, an achievement that will revolutionize the EV industry.
CATL's journey to the Shenxing Plus battery began with the original Shenxing battery introduced in 2023 which was designed to support a super-fast 4C charge rate. C-rate is the unit used to measure the speed at which a battery is fully charged or discharged. Charging at a C-rate of 1C theoretically means the battery is charged from 0-100% in 1 hour. The Shenxing Plus battery not only regain 600 kilometers (~370 miles) of range in just 10 minutes of charging, but it has a range of 1,000 kilometers (~620 miles).
This not only matches the performance of batteries using nickel and cobalt chemistry, but the Shenxing Plus battery can charge at a rate of one kilometer per second. Imagine an electric car with 600+ miles of range that can regain 300+ miles of range in 10 minutes? I’d love for the new Tesla Roadster to have these specs, but LFP batteries are cheaper to produce so these batteries could very well make their way into many other more affordable EVs. We Tesla owners are excited to see what batteries are in the upcoming Model Y Juniper refresh and also the most anticipated Tesla of all time: the $25,000 compact vehicle.
CATL introduced a fast lithium-ion conductive coating to enhance ion transfer, integrated transition metal elements to boost performance, and implemented a nano-layer encapsulation technique for efficient energy transfer between the cathode and anode materials. CATL also addressed the challenge of heat management during high-speed charging by expanding the overcurrent area and increasing terminal capacity, ensuring safety and stability.
Quite possibly the most impressive part of the Shenxing Plus battery is the milestone in energy density (amount of energy a battery can store within a given weight). The higher the energy density, the more energy a battery can store while keeping the same weight. This is a crucial factor that determines how much power (and for how long) an EV battery can produce and thus, how long an EV’s range is. High energy density is important to minimize the total weight of the battery while storing as much energy as possible to maximize the car’s range.
The Shenxing Plus battery pack design incorporates cutting-edge features such as module-free CTP 3.0 technology and a granular gradation technique for the cathode material. The Shenxing Plus battery aims to be the answer to the longstanding trade-off between driving range and charging speed by providing both a substantial driving range along with a rapid charging capability in a single battery solution that is hopefully reasonably priced.
This advancement is crucial not only for consumer convenience and adoption but also for the broader EV market's evolution. CATL's Shenxing Plus battery is a huge milestone in EV battery technology, addressing key concerns of range anxiety and charging times while setting new standards for performance and efficiency. If this battery eliminates the fear of EVs being too expensive along with ending the fear of long charging times or fear of running out of battery on a trip, then there will be no more excuses left for anyone to buy a gas car over an electric car.
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What I want is CATL making available this battery to the public so we can upgrade our older EVs
Not going to happen.
Why?
1) design variations
2) BMS software
@@rogerstarkey5390 the bms bridge would take CATL about 60 minutes to design.
Sorry. That's not how it works. Your car goes to the scrapyard when the battery is done.
An interesting question. Has Musk considered this in his car production method?
@@bambur1 Nope. I'm an engineer I can do whatever I want
Faster non-degrading charging is the key factor.
Geely estimates a 50 year life on their short blade LFP battery. It's great even if it's half true (25 years life)
Charging speed is only relevant to those who can't charge at home over night or people driving all say who need to recharge more than twice a day.
@@gzoechi I'd say charging speed matters at least up to the extent that the car is able to finish charging about as fast as your road-trip breaks are long. Beyond that, it doesn't matter much.
Availability of appropriately fast chargers is the main concern beyond that.
@@teardowndan5364 It's not perfect yet but we'll get there.
Let's thrown in Etheral Youth while we are at it eh?
I want a replacement battery for my 2014 Nissan Leaf with this tech.
I have often wondered how long it will be before Halfords will be offering battery upgrades that will be economically attractive.
I don't think it is technically too difficult but there will be a lot of testing and the market may not be big enough to make it worthwhile.
Hopefully it will be like selecting a printer driver and an adapter kit
A battery and tons of electronics ensure you have a disposable vehicle. There are lots of legacy battery form-factors and types. I would bet they won't have replacement options. A new battery may require new charge hardware and firmware changes. EV companies would rather sell you a new vehicle.
@@ambassadorfromreality1125 Halfords and economical in the same sentence? 😆🤣
@@jefflabute2946 Electronics are incredibly reliable.
Me too!
Wake me up when it actually exists and cost less than $30k
Exactly! And because it's a Chinese company, we can't be sure the specs aren't even close to being true.
CATL is a reliable battery manufacturer and would not fudge any specs
The battery currently exists now and will likely come to Tesla next year 2025 or late 2024
As a retired engineer from Cummins, we saw this battery coming 5 years ago. As a Republican, I get mad that we allowed our politicians to send $20 billion a year in oil subsidies. China's government saw our weakness and subsidized renewables and energy storage, resulting in the cheapest and most reliable form of energy. Elon knows this battery is coming to his vehicle shortly. With all the tariffs in place or proposed by Republicans, he will give his most American-made company a competitive advantage while GM and Ford watch their stocks drop 50% like Porsche or become junk stocks like Nissan. There is a very good reason why Warren Buffet got out of GM stock and remained a 4.9% stockholder in the world's third-largest EV/hybrid vehicle maker this year, BYD.
@@Carl_in_AZ
What you SHOULD get mad at?
If the Tariffs remain anywhere close to where they are, what's going to happen.
China "Takes their ball home".
A Tariff works as .... ?
Leverage?
'"If you can't sell here, you lose business"?
BUT
CHINA has another, expanding Market .
BRICS.
Asia.
India.
Middle East.
Africa.
Central America
South America.
.
Check it out, they all want in.
They're going to build EV factories.
Many countries will supply Raw Material
China will build roads and High speed Rail (They're VERY good at that) to move the product.
5G?
Forget that
*6G*
Solar/ Wind?
(Plenty of cheap Solar..... Did you know that in 2023 they installed more than USA ..... Has EVER installed?)
.
When does this leave USA/ Europe?
Well, with that trade between countries that had "issues", and an "Uncle" saying "play nice"? All those "potential conflicts" are going away?
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Did I mention the Red Sea?
They're going to have most (all?) countries on both sides... Plus Egypt.... Plus the North African (Southern Med) Countries.
That's the India - Europe Sea Trade Route Sorted.
Turkey? (BYD building) With Road/ rail access down the Eastern Med to Saudi Arabia. (They'll be in this year)
Same in Africa
Same in South America.
.
There's a serious question
Does USA want in, or time to TRY "the Big Stick"?
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(It won't work)
It seems that every week you can find new battery technology videos and every one of them brags on how great each of them are and promises they are coming soon.
CATL has a reputation of delivering on what they announce, you're not dealing with a fly by night company.
Yes and many are already a reality. Solid state as an example can already be found in products on Amazon.
It calmed down in second part of the year these wilds announces. And CATL has been teasing this new 210wh/kg for a while now, it is really coming soon. Very likely with the new Y and many others.
yeah , everyone of them are game changer blah dee blahhh
Well the greater the hype and efforts the greater the odds something emerges which is a notch or two up. When you live through a revolution it goes at a snails pace. Its only fast in the history books. We are in a battery revolution.
If this was in the Aptera, that would mean about 900 miles of range in 10 minutes 🔥
could potentially not charge at all and let the solar take care of it. should market it as carefree car
@@jikuo2701 The more energy density in a bettery .. the more dangerous ... It's like a slow explosion bomb ..
Over 90% of the road trips I've ever been on when I'm with another person, have all taken way longer than 10 minutes! If I'm ever on a road trip with a group, then 30+ minutes is the norm! Also, over 90% of my road trips in my Model 3, the car is done with the charge before we get back to the vehicle! (I always target each charge to add back 2 hours of driving time or less.)
Exactly. 600 miles is an extremely niche market. Its main purpose is to convince people to buy ev's. They will reconsider their stance on 300 miles when they see it is 8k more for the 600 mile version with the 600 mile version being the same price as a petrol car. Their stigma will disappear instantly once it affects their bank account!
Ludicrous range sounds nice in theory but is of limited actual use when the trips you take have conveniently located sufficiently fast chargers. I cannot drive more than 3h straight before wanting a 20+min break and 150kW fast-charging would give me another ~2.5h of driving on most current EVs during that time. Except for most of the trips I make, most of what few fast-chargers there are between major cities only do 50-72kW. Thankfully, my usual destinations are within range with a full battery and I can usually skip 50kW "fast" charging altogether when I borrow my mother's Bolt EV. (Can't charge faster than 50kW with it anyway.)
On principles though, I'm staying away from BEV for my own vehicle at least until governments address the difficulty of repairing batteries by mandating modular battery standards so people can maintain battery packs for 20+ years independently from the manufacturer in a cost-effective manner instead of throwing away whole packs or even the whole car for the slightest dent on the battery cover or a few sub-standard cells.
@@teardowndan5364 A Bolt!? 50 kw == "fast!?" Dude, the experience with Tesla supercharging is literally 10X better. There's such better charger coverage and better charger reliability! Where I live! I basically don't have to think about charging on road trips. I even go to out of the way places like Big Sur and Bodega Bay, and there's 150-250kw superchargers even there!
@@stcredzero The only supercharger along my most common trip would require getting off the highway into a horribly congested area - worked nearby for about a year, 20 years ago, busses were regularly stuck in traffic for 20+min. Not doing that during rush hours when I have zero other business in the area. Great for people who live/work nearby, not for me.
With gas, as long as I have 1/4th of a tank, I can stop at any random town along the way and avoid unnecessary screwing around in heavy urban traffic. With a Tesla, I'd still be stuck using 50kW chargers. Though a few of them, new or upgraded ones, are shared 100kW now. Slight upgrade if nobody is using the 2nd plug.
@@teardowndan5364 "With a Tesla, I'd still be stuck using 50kW chargers. Though a few of them, new or upgraded ones, are shared 100kW now. Slight upgrade if nobody is using the 2nd plug." -- Again, you're not using the supercharger network, so it sucks. "The only supercharger along my most common trip would require getting off the highway into a horribly congested area" -- How far is that trip, exactly? If you really do need to charge, my experience is that it's worth it. I've been to plenty of congested superchargers. You still get to charge surprisingly fast. I'm talking every space full and a line of 7 in front of me. It's still better than 3rd party chargers. Especially since Tesla will show you if there's an open plug on the in-car app, and the reliability is darn close to 100%..
I said long time ago, its both. Longer range means a fewer charging stops in between, charging speed means more stalls for others, simple.
Well, it’s a bit more complicated than that. Because all batteries, including LFP and I believe also solid state, charge exponentially slower at the top end of the pack, you will never charge to 100% on a road trip. 10-80% will take about the same amount of time as 80-100. This is simply a physical limitation of batteries that cannot be overcome. So it makes no sense so wait an additional 20 minutes to gain 60 miles when in the first 20 minutes you gained 210 miles (based on a long range model Y). There’s also the matter of how charge stalls are spaced. With Tesla, they obviously want even their shortest range car to make it across the country on their network relatively easily. So when possible and economically, SCs will be within 200 miles of each other for a roughly 250 mile range car. However, a longer range model of say 350 miles, isn’t quite enough to go all the way to the next charger on the route in less populated areas, so you still have to stop and charge. And because the higher SOC you arrive with, the slower the charge, you might still wait 10 minutes at that charger whereas the 250 mile car only needs an additional 5 minutes. So the difference in road trip time is really minimal. I actually had road trips where it was faster to just charge to 80% instead of 100% because it allowed me to recover more range at the first charging stop instead of bouncing around to chargers with a higher than optimal SoC. So really the range difference has to be massive between the lowest and highest to feel the difference. Now I won’t say it’s never beneficial to have even an extra 50 miles of range though. A different road trip was basically just as fast to charge to 80 as it was 100 on the way there, but on the way back it saved an hour to charge all the way to 100%
@@dylanwhite6539 feel like taking a scince class, haha.. Im a big Tesla fan. when charging on the road, u only need to charge to your next stop with around 15% reserve.
@@dylanwhite6539You are incorrect about LFP batteries. The charging slowdown happens with lithium ion, NOT LFPs. I have LFPs for my solar back up (12K Wh) and I charge them to 100% every day. They charge much faster than Lion and no slowdown to 100%. Also, you don’t have to worry about keeping them cool like lithium ion and I am in the southwest where it’s been triple teens for several weeks. They are a totally different beast!
It has to be 500-600 miles for Cybertruck type vehicles that need to tow. Towing only 100 miles is ridiculous
@@aguyfromnothere Elon has been over premised on a regular bases, its only about 300 miles not to mention in real driving, is prolly 250 or less. its really not a working truck and, its not for every pick-up lovers
Average gas tank is 15 gallons. Average mileage is 25 miles per gallon. Average range under ideal conditions then is 375 miles. This means there are a lot of EVs that go farther than a lot of ice cars already. If you charge at home then there are a lot of EVs that have a lot more range than a lot of ice vehicles on any given morning.
This is the US avg. UK / EU are better. Our SUV gets 55 mpg avg. Good but then makes potentially moving to EV's less cost effective.
Not in cold snowy weather when battery loses charge quicker- especially when heater is on. Or if you’re towing something. Or if youve got extra passengers in car… etc etc
@stuartburns8657 there's no way in hell you guys get 55mpg on an ICE only SUV.
True but you're forgetting Real world factors. While my model y can get like 300 real world is closer to 250. After you factor in not charging to 100, not going super low, weather, speeding etc... it less. Batteries need like 500 miles of estimate range and then after all the factors get like 350 actual highway miles.
@@MeltingRubberZ28 Swear on my Children's lives. Nissan Qashqai 1.5L diesel.
Last 1920 odd miles avg mpg 55.
Battery of the week? Reminds me of the Radio Shack Battery Club
It's already being used in cars in China. It's real
Algorithm chasing f click ... Don't recommend channel. Make sure you don't finish the video
In the UK anyway and excluding Tesla it has to be range, 100% so, and for two good reasons.
The 1st and most important is try to find a working charger that hasn't got a 1 to 3hr wait, doesn't matter if you can charge in a few minutes if you have to wait to do it.
The 2nd is, when i charge at home it's either free (off my solar panels) or 7p a kwh from my octopus EV plan, Not 90p a kwh from an elusive public charger, and if you have just spent 10 to 30k more buying an electric car you don't want to be spending twice as much filling it up as you would a petrol vehicle.
Heck YEAH I want to see them in Tesla vehicles ASAP! 😎👍🏼👍🏼
Tesla are not good value, look how the second hand tesla prices are collapsing due to seriously high cost of repairs. Tesla needs to warranty there batteries they claim will last 2 million miles for at least 500 000 miles, or 20 years. Otherwise second hand prices will prevent business from buying and that is the biggest segment of the market. Until failing batteries is a non problem ev's will never be the change it needs to be.
Yea. A 60K car to save gas money 😮
In China EVs are half and less than half that price. Complain to your own government they are responsible for the cost.
I bought my Tesla Y Long Range for $33k last month. I'm already saving on gas and the time it takes to fill up at a gas pump. BGE (my electric provider) has a subsidized rate for charging at home during off peak hours (overnight). I'd also like to think I'm helping out the environment.
15k in China
I am holding out purchasing a second EV based on range. 500 miles on a single charge is a no brainer.
I was going to say, if you provide a battery that has double or triple the range, you automatically get higher charging speeds because maximum speeds can be maintained for longer periods of time since the SOC % will be less - you'll get more range back more quickly on a larger pack.
NXU is a US based company with similar performance states. They have at least 1 or 2 active charging stations in AZ. Which is another hurdle-the charging grid will need to be upgraded to handle those fast charging rates. Current charging stations can’t do that even if your battery could handle the charging speed.
EVs make up 7.6% of cars sold. I'm no mathematician, but the idea that fossil fuels are going somewhere is absolutely ridiculous.
The global perspective shows 20% in 2024.
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...or... they don't have off-street parking and therefore charging fees are extortionate (I'm in the UK where price for KWH is well over a dollar -80 pence- for fast charging and even for level 2 charging!). That's why I'm an Aptera reservation holder 🙂
There is NO WAY that the Tesla Roadster would ship with an LFP chemistry. That would be outrageous.
safety is the most important , you don't want your battery catching fire under your butt , charging would be the next most important thing , speeding up the charge and being able to charge in all temperatures , lithium batteries need to be a certain temperature to charge , don't work very good in colder temperatures , leaving many motorists stranded.
It's interesting for sure, as long as the reality is as good as their specs say, and the longevity is there.
If science can get us to a place where a battery pack can do this distance and charging speed, EV adoption will grow exponentially, I believe. The problem with that, though, is our charging infrastructure is nowhere near ready for that. And while people's range would be higher, so fewer DCFC sessions would be needed (and they'd be faster), if we tripled (or quadrupled) the amount of EV's on the road, we'll be in big trouble with the DCFC infrastructure.
The current data has been very clear. Even with more EV's on the road now, the demand on the infrastructure has decreased due to more and more alternative sources of power added to the grid.
No matter how much research or publishing, real men want and demand a gas/diesel vehicle. For a long time into the future. Thanks for the attempt.
Gas is a dead man walking...completely irrespective of whether we get better batteries (which we inevitably will). I just watched a video about a 430,000 mile Model S with its original battery and still had 77% of its original range. And Tesla batteries already recharge 150-175 miles in about the time it takes to buy a bottle of water or visit the restroom.
at 430,000 miles, the rest of the car is probably anyway beyond reasonable state. My car reached 130,000 recently and I start hearing some small inevitable noises in the suspensions.
I got a gas car and my range hasn't changed in 20 years. Hold my Beer.
@@barryrudolph9542 That is incredibly unusual. I take it this is something you only take out on Sundays, in good weather, and drive around the block.
@@t0dd000 No it's actually an 2004 F150 with 130k miles. You are right, it's a low miles Truck but if the MPG has been in any way reduced it's hardly noticeable.
You can watch the same video about some 30 years old Mercedes... just as you can also watch videos about some 8 years old tesla and a dead battery at 60k miles
From WC, I’m like the guy that basically said let me know when it happens, because I’ll be keeping my ICE powered car and truck until then!
Sounds great 👍 I would like to see them make batteries like this for the Older EVs
For your question, my preference would be charging speed. I only have about a 240 mile bladder, so any range beyond this is basically unusable.
They need to get into or start selling mobile batteries themselves
My phone for example can be between 1700mah-2010mah depending on purity of materials
But buying said batteries on say amazon is a gamble because they all state BS like 2750mah and above which is IMPOSSIBLE for these dimensions
So you can get anything from 1700-2010 completely at random
Not 1 word about how much power is required to charge 100KW in 10 minutes. Multiply that 8 because hey most gas stations can fill at least 8 cars at a time. So if you work it out then it does really seem impossible to charge at these speeds. But hey good graphics and don't worry about the details.
They develop new and better battery each week, but still there is no improvement in 30 years. 1865 battery was developed in 1994 and is still the king of the game. Today everyone lies like politicians.
One word "graphene" this could be the ultimate battery for electric vehicles🎉
I live in a remote area with a long winter, to me range is more important. I also charge over 95% of the time from the solar/batteries at my home.
Only people obsessing about range/charge times without battery degradation even being in the picture are either people who never even been in an EV or youtube celebrities with deep pockets.
You can already swap your battery in the same time it takes to fill up your gas tank with NIO. Their battery swap technology only needs 3 minutes to change a battery.
but not very practical
In America, majority of the electricity is produced by burning fossil fuels .. Open your eyes to reality 😂😂😂.
Yes but unlike gasoline the source is flexible. Face it. Combustion engines have reached their peak efficiency and need to make way for a more flexible and efficient form of propulsion.
@@ROBMACDUI Typically an EV battery to be really environmental friendly needs about 130k miles of usage and then it can be considered as environment friendly and this is not the case with every EV.
Disposal of EV batteries is a very tough process and its very hazardous to mother earth 🌍.
Bottomline: its not that environmental friendly as advertised 😂😂.
But certainly, if we focus more on harnessing solar to produce electricity then there are better hopes.
@@TechFreak51 While I agree that lithium ion lifespan can potentially be that low if fully charged every time especially at higher rates, battery advances are happening very fast. The LFP batteries in lower end Teslas can already hit 2000-10000 charge cycles putting their lifespan easily over 500k miles. An in regards to disposal, Tesla is already recycling all of their batteries. It’s only a matter of time before regulators step in and force recycling programs.
Can a EV battery last 400k ? My prius just reached 460k and still going.
Where the hell is all the unlimited zero emission electricity and the grid to deliver it? 65% of the energy generated to charge an electric car is lost as heat in the distribution system. You are starting at 35% efficiency. Perfection of the car is irrelevant.
The other day I was looking at old Japanese art, including various prints of the "Stations of the Tokaido", small towns that one of old Japan's main roads passed through. These days the Tokaido is a bullet train route and you can do the whole thing in just over 2 hours, but anyway, the point is people on long drives having to make more, and longer, stops, could actually bring way more trade to small towns. Road trips will be "journeys", not chores, again, and people will get to see more out-of-the-way places.
This is BS. In most parts of the world EV sales have ground to a halt. In the UK they can't give the things away. There is nothing like sufficient capacity on the grid nor enough charging points. Yet we are supposed to have 80% EV sales here by 2030! Not going to happen.
Yes, electric vehicles (EVs) are still selling in the UK, and the market is growing rapidly. In the first quarter of 2024, EVs made up 15% of all new car sales, and by the end of February 2024, 23.9% of new cars registered had a plug-in. The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) reported 76,233 new battery electric car sales in the first quarter of 2023, which was an 18.8% increase from the previous year. The UK has the second largest plug-in car market in Europe, with 368,617 sales in 2022.
The biggest car market in the world is China and they're developing like crazy because they spend money on infrastructure and technology and the U.S. just invest in it's military.
I did a 1000 mile (each way) road trip. I have done this long trip often. I would fully charge my Model 3 each time I charged. That was a thirty five + minute experience. Using my ICE car I could easily do the trip in one day. Using my Tesla I had to stop & spend an overnight delay. I have decided that next road trip I will more but shorter charging stops. “Refilling” with an ICE car is so much faster & having to detour to a Supercharger. I still prefer my EV but I certainly would welcome greater mileage & faster charges.
I've seen comparisons which show that for road trips you'll arriver sooner if you only charge to 80% max provided you'll reach the next charger with enough of a buffer. Reason is that those last 20% of charge take disproportionally longer whereas going from 20 to 80% is swift. Plus the added stop allows you to drive more rested.
300mile in 10min?
Lol just give me 300mile in 30min. I will be happy.
That’s how fast my Tesla model Y charges at super chargers now days.
@mythicallegendary3992 It's really great.
800volt ev battery has been just released. Now it's 10 minutes😅.
I think i didn't research enough. Thank you😅
Please present the EV insurance rate issue. Thanks Andy.
Range is much more important than charge rate for the simple reason that fast charging not only requires a battery than can cope with high charging rates, but massive infrastructure upgrades to enable the hughe spikes in demand required of the power supply grid. The latter is costly and expensive to implement.
I personally think that 1000 miles of range, which is not far off where we are now, would satisfy 99% of drivers worldwide. This would be easier to achieve than an all encompassing network of fast charging stations.
I’m not paying 94K for a car
Oh you will when that’s the only option. 4 years ago the cheapest new car was under 10k now it’s 20k next year it’s 24k literally bec they are getting rid of all the cheap gas cars. Versa and mirage are going away. Soon your only option will be big suv gas cars or EVs that cost a lot. But since gas will be even more expensive to fill up your suv you will be forced to get that 94k ev to save on gas.
I've said from the beginning that the two things that DC doesn't get is people need to be able to afford a vehicle first, and it shouldn't need to sit at a charger all day!
We drive a Long Range | AWD | Dual Motor | Model 3… On many occasions we have left home with roughly a 70% charge, driving to multiple locations in various directions, ending up over one hundred miles away with only EIGHT to FIVE percent charge left, and a SuperCharger just a few miles down the road…
Instead of sitting at the chargers for Thirty or Forty minutes, we would only FAST charge for FIVE minutes, which brings us to 25-30% capacity before we drive off… If the way is flat or downhill, that would usually be enough to cover the 100 plus miles. However, on a few occasions the elevations get the better of us and we do have to stop and charge again. Usually another THREE or FIVE minutes is enough to return home…
Even then we will plug in at home with TEN or FIFTEEN percent still left in the battery, and usually begin the day fully charged as usual…
We will never buy another ICE vehicle again as a daily driver….
🤔
Why do you talk so fast? Is it my computer settings or did you compress this video? Otherwise, LFP will be the next level as costs come down. $30,000 for a Tesla BEV is inexpensive for what you get. My Model 3 -2018 takes me to the doctor, parks itself, takes me home and parks itself. I plug it in and it is ready to go again off of the solar. What a fantastic vehicle! Only gets better with each update. 😊
Yeah, chill for a while take your time.
After buying a Tesla they say it’s not recommended to supercharge your car every week like you do for a gasoline car at a gas station that could get more expensive than a gasoline car and impractical I say the best way to charge your electric car is at night when you are sleeping you save more time and you save money because it’s cheaper that way
This is just an unadulterated advertising video for CATL battery technology. As consumers can't buy direct, it has no value.
I have owned 4 EVs, including 2 teslas. Gotta say, Tesla is feeling more like the past than the future everyday. Rivian and even BMW are doing a much better job building EVs (and brand) that people actually love
There are a number of issues with this information.
Firstly, given all the misinformation and fake claims coming out of Chinese companies recently, how can we trust this information?
Second issue is price. Like many technologies the cost of final implementation (aka car cost, and TCO) plays a long way towards whether this will be an ICE killer or not. currently many EV drivers are regretting their purchase because they are finding out EVs are nearly worthless when out of warranty due to the high cost of repairs. So people expecting to "save" money with EV are realising its just shifting the cost from fuel over to depreciation.
Third issue that has nothing to do with the battery technology. Our society still does not have the infrastructure of charging ports and power generation that matches the requirements of such a new technology. We need to build the infrastructure NOW, not later so when there are real technology breakthroughs we can meaningfully use it.
I want the raw numbers
What is the peak charger rate in KW what does the charge ramp look like from 0-100
How many KWH is the pack.
Lots of talk about how good it is but CATL needs to give us the hard numbers.
Do they work in cold climates?
I wouldn't say combustion engines are "quickly" becoming a thing of the past, but it will be interesting to see how all of this technology evolves. And when it comes to fossil fuels, we need oil for so many critical products, we will always be drilling for this stuff called BLACK GOLD.
If this EV battery is used in vehicles the charging price will go through the roof, probably costing more than ice fuel. It’s all about money. How much money can the electric companies squeeze out of the consumer, just like the oil companies.
Go look at Australia market or Chinese market. Your government is taking you for a fool
We already have the batteries, EVs, since 2018. If you just test drive one you wont want a ICE car ever again, just drive a Tesla
For one Chinese range standards are extremely generous to the vehicles. Also, you would need a very large battery making it cost more and constraining production due to the need for more batteries in each vehicle.
I'd love a longer range because I could drive faster. I once borrowed an early standard range M3 to get to a remote place 200 miles away and had to drive speed limit (on completely empty roads), in order to make it. Frustrating because driving faster is a lot of fun (and doesn't have to mean you're sacrificing safety).
I'll believe it when I see it,...
This is amazing news. We shouldn't worry about whether or not it is going to be manufactured in China or the US. Remember, the competition from the Japanese car market is what helped drive better quality in US cars.
Gas care are not quickly becoming a thing of the past.
Graphite Aluminum Ion and Silcon Anode (two separate technologies) are tearing up youtube right now. Tesla's Graphite Aluminum might have better specs than even the LFP, but I'm sure there are pros and cons to each tech and this one will have its place in the market. Good reporting. thanks.
I'd love to see this battery come to more EV's in the us. I might be able to actually convince my husband that they can be viable. Also Id like to know the reuse options for the LFP batteries after the cars life use.
for me it would be a longer range as then we could go everywhere returning home to charge as we have solar and battery storage so why pay silly prices (UK) when you can drive for free
Battery power density seems to be the holy grail to my mind as the current gen of EV are just too heavy and too expensive .
Its a time and technology problem definitely getting closer to parity though.
If I needed to choose, I'd take fast charging over range. First reason is that I need to stop every 2-3 hours anyway when going on a long trip to rest a bit. Second reason is that having a smaller battery means less weight, cheaper, better consumption, less resources impact.
But if you have to stop more often to charge, that means you will end up paying more. I'd rather have a full charge from home and stop along my trip to stretch without having to charge. And maybe not even have to charge on the drive back home.
@@Resist4 Yes, I guess it mostly depends on habits. I do 4 trips that require charging in a year, so I'm not going to spend that much on supercharging. A smaller battery is OK for me. For people doing long journeys more often it is indeed better to have range too in order to avoid supercharger prices.
For my use case, smaller battery, smaller initial cost and better "fuel" efficiency (because of less weight) is probably best.
@@johngonon1507 And that is what needs to change, the cost of the vehicle. I've said for a long time that all EV's should have a minimum range of 400 miles. My reasoning is that it would remove range anxiety fears for ICE drivers interested in going to an EV. Also, because battery degradation reduces range over time and because of charging habits.
@@Resist4 Well, about battery degradation, my Renault Zoe's battery is down to 91% after 7 years. For an NMC battery with average/bad BMS, it's quite a good surprise. Newer batteries have even less degradation, LFP batteries can last ultra long. In France, where I live, the charging infrastructure is good, so the anti-EV are shifting to queuing times, the grid won't be able to cope, etc ... I think that most ICE drivers think that they need more range than they actually need. Most of them just do longer trips during the week-end (but rarely over 300 km so still with a standard EV range). For ICE it's simple to have a bigger tank, for an EV the battery brings weight, cost and use resources so being aware about the real needs becomes more important. Choosing an EV is not as simple as choosing an ICE vehicle.
@@johngonon1507 Battery degradation is worse the first year due to calendar aging. Then it's more about charging habits. I still stand by my feeling that EV's should have at least 400 miles of range, when new. Any battery degradation means it will cost you more to charge up, because you will have to do it more frequently.
Compromise is a bad thing. I want EVs have a long range and quick charge. The fact I have all that with good old benzine engine for ages said EVs still far behind in terms of usability.
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Only if LFP has the density of NMC. 🥰
More important that I never own one!
CATL has 18,000 people working in their R&D department and 250 those with PhD's.
Range is king. Lots of rural area with limited charging. Bring on 600 mile range. 😁😁
I heard about this Shinsing battery for some time now. Just when it’s available in a Tesla car? ! 12 months, or 2 years? Or longer?
What about thermal runaway risk?! Cos we all know current Ev batteries burn/explode like nothing else when they do have thermal runaway. Although rare it’s catastrophic when it happens! Cargo ships have been sunk by Ev battery fires!
I've said speed matters more but it's down to infrastructure. If there are 400kW chargers everywhere, or at least along key routes, then you can get away with a smaller battery. Anything close to 200 miles of range is more than enough if you can fully recharge in the time it takes you to take a pee break or grab a snack.
overall good video and information, to counter your last point Towing would be the remaining reason why to still buy Gas. However looking forward to see this battery tech make its way into Cyber Truck.
Will they be able to replace the present battery (Tesla) at a reasonable price?
Another thing we need to work on is to improve solar panel efficiency, wind power generation efficiency. That will make the world peaceful and cleaner.
WLTP and such won't affect charging. It only measures range.
I drive a Model Y Long Range. I will take a higher battery density or basically a longer range over charging speed. I'm going to push back at the majority of the people here and elsewhere wanting faster charging time. The majority of your daily driving is within 50 to 100 miles of your home. So obviously range and charging time aren't going to be as important because you'll have enough range for the day to day and you'll most likely are going charge at home overnight.
People typically take 2 to 4 road trips a year ranging between 100 to around 600 or 800 miles. If you're traveling alone the safest thing to do is to take frequent breaks on long trips. If you're traveling as a couple or family you're likely to take frequent breaks anyway. Some drivers split the driving with their partner so that helps. I do all the driving, well me and Autopilot, because my wife isn't familiar with m EV and would rather read her Kindle.
So for me and overall road tripping I'd rather a vehicle that can go the distance because I'm pretty much going to and need to make stops for the restroom, stretch our legs and maybe even get something to eat. Five minute fill ups on a road trip is a myth. It's not a thing. If you think I'm lying then the next time you're in a gas car take a 4 or 5 hour trip one way and try to fill up and get back on the road after driving for a couple of hours. Sure....you can do it but it's not comfortable...especially as you get older. Most gas car drivers, be they single or traveling as a group or family, spend 10 to upwards of 25 minutes at a rest stop. I'm not saying ALL road trippers...but a lot spend much longer than you realize in between long stents of road travel. The reality is the fill up itself is short but the physical toll driving can take on the body has many taking longer rest stops.
Driving Range is important. There are only charging stations in big cities and they are limited in Taiwan they have battery's banks that they swap which is better than charging stations
What about battery life: # charge cycles? I don't think this was mentioned in the video.
It was
What about 18 wheelers?
I don’t know why electric car companies don’t explain that it cost about 1/3 to 1/5 the cost to fill up your car with electricity as opposed to gasoline, $17 to go 300 miles as opposed to $74 for gas
I'm an Aptera fan , but it's all about what do you really want and will it be more reliable and cost less than current systems ?
I was interested in Aptera until I realized they were a 3-wheel motorcycle and did not have to meet any of those pesky auto safety standards.
Look talk is cheap. I believe it when when I’m able to drive with this new tech
Recharging infrastructure is still not broad enough, there are too many places where you have to go out of your way to charge your vehicle, and there's no guarantee that a "fast" charger will be available. Also, we can't get reliant on electric cars until the grid can handle the demand, we can't continue to have times when the government tells you to not charge your vehicle at certain times when it's really hot or really cold. Lastly, during a very cold period in the winter last year, I heard that may EVs took hours just to charge because the cold weather impacted the charging process, but there was no mention in the video if this new battery technology would specifically address that problem.
AI applications from data centers is going to be the biggest tax on the grids and hardly anyone cares yet
The internet was not supposed to be able to handle mass adoption but here we are. Air conditioning was supposed to overload grids but here we are. Etc etc.
The technology used in this video cannot be charged when under 0°c.
So surely a battery heater will be in place, but probably with some limit as well.
@@tiloalo Not entirely true. They can be charged but at a much lower rate. Most likely the car will prioritize warming the batteries first and then begin to increase charge rate after they warm up. Add about 15-20 minutes for the batteries to warm up if left in the cold not plugged in prior to charging. Keep in mind if the vehicle is driving then this really isn’t much of an issue since the car will maintain the battery temp when driving.
@ROBMACDUI you might damage them in doing so, and yes, as soon as plugged the car will use the energy from the charger to warm up the battery and then start charging. Not an issue, just adds to the charging time.
Can't charge them in colder climates.... Bring the hate.....
Never going to happen. Lots of reasons to not to buy an EV.
Everything is so great on youtube videos... That is why electric cars sales plummeted lately ?
I rarely have a problem with my model3 performance range or charge speed.
it works well for me to charge at home.
I'm waiting for a low cost replacement battery for my Leaf that will extend the range. I don't care about charging time, although faster could be better.
Range or Charging speed??
I would be on the side of faster charging.
Range on my Y is quite sufficient for my needs, I’ve never once experienced range anxiety especially if you make a habit of programming your route prior to departure.
But to be honest, the battery will last a few hours on each charge, after a few hours you need to visit a restroom or grab a bite to eat. Just plug it into a supercharger and you’re good to go in just over 1/2 hour, refreshed and fed.
So really I don’t find any major issues with range or charging speed.
Depends on your personal preferences, my wife HATES stopping on the highway, so we prefer less frequent and longer breaks than frequent ones. Even though the more frequents stops could make us arrive earlier, does not matter. Last long trip we did, the last portion was 3h54 long, way too long according to safety recommendations, but neither of us realized we haven't stopped for that long (thanks Google Maps for the trip stats)
Gas or fuels made from oil will end.
The discovery of oil peaked in 1964.
Since then oil discoveries have declined, while demand for oil products now exceed new discoveries.
Unsustainable.
or.... imagine putting this sweet battery tech into some trams. the tesla plaid seats 4 maybe 5, has 1000hp. a tram in europe transport take 270 people with 500kw motors. thus the entire network need not have overhead cables. an issue for some cities as they desire to be ISO container truck friendly. this could be game changer for public transport!
cars need to be user replaceable too. that way old legacy EVs can upgrade their batteries instead of ending up in landfill.
5 or 600 miles range is waste of resources. Most people average 30 miles per day. 300 is ample.
Range or charging speed? NEITHER. I will charge at home and drive less than 50 miles a day. I just want a CHEAP car.
It's likely when C2 appears containing this battery at your required price. Wouldn't it be stupid to buy a hybrid or petrol vehicle to pay high running costs?
Wonderful technology, need of the hour?
A 25% energy density improvement at the pack level over your Model Y gets nowhere close to 500 miles EPA range. Maybe 375 to 400 miles but certainly not 500. Stated range numbers seem a bit off.
Nonsense. The battery does not stand on its own, its merely the final storage location for energy. Along the way you must also consider the power creation and delivery infrastructure capability. Then you must consider the resource cost and availability to ensure you can meet the technical requirements for the power creation and delivery system that enables you to deliver these large amounts of energy to meet these ultra fast charge times.
In short. Ain't gonna happen bro. Oh and yes, dumb old me. I forgot to mention the CO2 output costs in mining these added resources, manufacturing of the whole new supplementary grid requirements, public delivery and refuel points etc etc etc.
There simply are not enough base resources on the plant to go totally EV and reconstruct a whole new system.
If you were capable of advising your viewers correctly please advise them to go hybrid. Its the common sense approach that is affordable, reduces emissions and frees up your capital to invest in your own solar capability which ultimately reduces your own carbon footprint, allows you to charge a smaller battery more quickly and runs smaller more fuel efficient engines which in turn produce less CO2 as a by product of combustion. CO2 from cars is not the major issue. That lies with the power plant production side of the equation. Local nuclear is the only solution and the technology is already available, refer to naval propulsion technologies in current use.
But it's easier for government to blame you instead of actually dealing with the real problem at hand.
Placing a large heavy battery in an oversized heavy vehicle does not solve any problems and has no consumer benefits - high energy costs, high insurance, limited public parking access, limited public charging, high risk consequences in fire situations, high repair costs, high depreciation, low residual values etc etc etc
I recently went into my first Tesla Model Y last week, whilst on business trip to China. I could not understand what all the hype was about. It was a bland, poorly designed, poorly conceived piece of uninspiring nothingness with a control screen placed in the middle of the dash. Why? Does this guy Munk or Mosk or whatever he goes by think that the evolution of the driver cockpit over the preceeding 100 years has not led us to the point where all system controls have been developed with maximum safety and ease of use functionality in mind so that the driver can keep their eyes on the road. Tesla and Electric Jesus ? People please.
Back to the battery. You can only squeeze energy into the battery at a rate determined by your delivery infrastructure. Its like a swimming pool. You can have an Olympic pool in your back yard that looks so cool but if your filling it up with a garden hose nobody cares but everyone can see your a twat. If you decide you want to fill it up quick then your gonna have to take all the water supply from your whole neighbourhood, fire department and others and break the system and everyone can see your a twat.
EVs are not the answer. They are the exhibited symptom of the disease known as gullibilis dumbfuckery. A quack solution sold to the well intentioned but ultimately dumb and gullible.
Some nice videography here and nice production but ultimately a fail. Your message is way off mark. EVs are merely an option inthe personal transport marketplace. They will never replace ICE. They can only ever be a niche market segment due to all of the reasons above. Thanks, your welcome, quite happy to condescend. Bye.