Funny thing about Six Flags, is that the parks vary so wildly, that there cannot be one solid answer for the entire chain. What might work for Great America, might not work for Magic Mountain. What might work for Over Texas, might not work for Great Escape. I wonder what Air Time Thrills thinks about this!
Honestly reminds me of Cedar Fair and Knott's Berry Farm. There was a time when Cedar Fair tried desperately to reshape and mould the park to become one with their standardized affair elsewhere but it wasn't doing them any good. A big focus on thrills and teens/thrill seekers and cutting most everything else that didn't fit the bill. However sometime in the mid 2010s a change in management focused on being a locally-driven park with an emphasis on events and family affair, as well catering more towards families in a more proactive sense. And the efforts paid off and Knott's Berry Farm is honestly a jewel that sits alongside Cedar Point. And look at Disney. They've been trying to assimilate Disneyland under the same rules and regulations that worked at Walt Disney World, even though both resorts have very different demographics and desires and because of that they're really tarnishing the image they've built up in California. Kind of goes to show that trying to homogenize theme and amusement parks doesn't really work out and that parks should be built and maintained to cater to their immediate local customer base rather than trying to be a one-size-fits-all ordeal.
@@TheOnlyBongo Yeah, Disney completely ruined California Adventure. The whole point of California Adventure was to be a Cali themed park, and they literally just slapped Disney branding all over everything to make it fit the Disney brand. I'm pretty sad about that.
I wouldn't mind no new additions if every single park spent money on upgrades all around. Improving all reliability on attractions so that while nothing is being added, what the parks have are all rideable. Some rides simply need refurbishments. Also opening up/cleaning areas and restaurants that are always closed and/or look abandoned. Improve the experience if you want us to pay more, otherwise, nothing is going to change.
That's what I was hoping they'd do this year with no new rides at many parks but nope, operations have been as bad as ever at my park and the place is as poorly run as always (and from the sounds of it many others)
Seriously!! I had to wait an hour and a half in line to order lunch! It was the only place to get food in the park and it was close to 15$ for a slice of pizza. This shit should be illegal. (That would require lawmakers to care about humans tho lol. Very funny)
Remember when we all thought the high prices meant Six Flags would start investing in huge coasters? Man, those were the good old days. Also, great video. I love the energy you bring to your content.
@@Loopingthrills Magic Mountain is over 1 Billion in debt since its bankruptcy in 2009. You do know that at some point they need to start paying down this debt, right?
If he wants to focus on other non addition things, focus on increasing ride maintenance and operations budget. EB from CoasterRadio went to SFOT and ½ the coasters were closed.
Definitely. If operations were better and they spent more money on them and maintenance the coasters would have more cycles and ride time. You'd get the same capacity increase as adding a new coaster. Sure it's nothing you can advertise but when people come to your park and have a good time it makes them actually want to spend money and come back. Great America is my home park and I could totally agree with his argument that an S&S Axis prototype. Even if it was a killer ride, the facts are it'd be short, the lines would be long, and it'd be down all the time. I'd rather them spend 1/10th the money to refurbish American Eagle, get it racing again, and have it no longer stacking two trains like crazy by using the money from a new coaster to pay staff better to get the place more appropriately staffed. With how things are going I'm tempted to just cancel my grandfathered in membership and take a 3 year break from the park while they figure their shit out or go bankrupt again.
At Magic Mountain all but 1 of the ADA Elevators are down and have been all year. The Only One that works is Wonder Woman (because it's new) and that one has no way to signal anyone that you are there to use it
Makes sense. Something that is even more shocking is that Six Flags hasn't built a hyper coaster since 2006. That was Over Georgia's Goliath. Nothing that Six Flags has built since then has been taller.
I don't mind a park not building something new for a year. If this plan streamlines the ride experience and they can put funding in a better layout, shorter lines, cleaner park and maybe a fresh coat of paint on everything.
Seriously- THANK YOU for using your brain and critical thinking, and daring to say something that goes against the norm. You’re absolutely right- given Six Flags’ chosen direction, it makes zero sense to take unnecessary risks right now. Leave that for when the chain isn’t in a downward, spiraling free fall. Pun intended. 😎
Love it how people with no business experience complain when, Magic Mountain doesn't add a new, 20 plus million coaster every year. Lol. The current, CEO was hired to help pay down, Magic Mountains MASSIVE DEBT. Magic Mountain has been trying to pay down it's debt since, 2009 when it went into bankruptcy. 2009, Magic Mountain was, 2.7 Billion in Debt. After bankruptcy, went down to 1.3 Billion. Since 2009, trying to pay down that 1.3 Billion in debt, Magic Mountain honestly hasn't really paid down the debt, they've just been paying on and really only paying down the interest payments since 2009. At some point, Magic Mountain has to start actually paying down the massive debt it has, or the majority share holders will end up selling the park to land/home developers that are already buying and building all around the park in Valencia right now. So for all of you, theme park "experts" if you want Magic Mountain to be around for another 50 years, they can't just always be in Billion dollar debts. Or.....pay triple the amount for park admission and don't complain about it and keep going while paying triple to get in. Disneyland and Calufornia adventure in Cali has such high park price admission because they build 100 plus million dollar themed rides. Typically, thrill ride coaster visitors don't have the income to spend 140 bucks on admission tickets like non thrill ride visitors do at Disneyland Parks. Thrill ride visitors guests are between the ages of, 24 to 34. Majority of people in this age group (closer to the 20s age group range) don't have the income to spend 140 plus to just get in a park. So.......just relax and stop crying and put your milk bottles down and be patient for about 3 years while Magic Mountain pays down it's debt.
@@Reality_a_thing after filling bankruptcy in 2009, they've been in debt just over 1 billion dollars. At some point, they have to pay that down. Which is the job of the current CEO to start doing now. If magic mountain keeps waiting with paying down the 1 billion plus in debt.....magic mountain will be sold off to land developers for homes within the next 5 to 10 years.
Six Flags is smart to not invest in the Axis idea, it just screams problems. The one good thing about the RMC raptor prototype is that its simple, it doesn't reinvent the wheel but creates a simplified axel in which the wheel can turn. The more complex the rides get the more potential problems arise and for a brand like Six Flags they just can't afford those kinds of problems. Cedar Fair can afford to have a protoype or two get lost to the engineering dust bin, Six Flags needs to keep its head straight and just stick to fun, reliable rides for now. Dr. Diabolical was by far the most sensible choice, if anything they could use more dive coasters across more parks because that is what brings the GP.
I don’t agree with Six Flags’ strategy. This isn’t Disney or Universal. People go to Six Flags for roller coasters. That’s their niche. Not investing in new thrill rides is a mistake in my opinion. Some parks could stand to be cleaned up a bit and maybe improve the food. Otherwise stay in your lane and invest in great roller coasters. That’s why people go.
@Tom W the problem for both SF as well as CF is that they own too many properties and simply don't have the budget for expensive new rides. A big part of what got the company into this financial mess in the first place was buying up too many parks and then dumping expensive coasters every other year into some of them WITHOUT waiting for the return on the investment but their biggest mistake was the pointless coaster arms race between MM and CP.. They should have invested those coasters into the parks that could have benefited from them more than SFMM just for the sake of winning a stupid title that the majority of the general public could care less about although CF is equally guilty of this as well by giving CP coaster after coaster when their smaller parks could benefit from such investments far more.
@@Johnnyiswhere the problem with that is rides are constantly evolving, and people always want to see the next big new thrill. If Six Flags stops competing in the evolution and says, we have enough coasters, we don't need to build more, fans will eventually come to say, we're already rode all the six flag rides, we don't need to go to that park anymore. Universal's got a 5 new rides since we last went, lets go there instead. There's also the fact that rides have life cycles, they can only be repaired for so long before they need to be outright replaced. Some rides are at the end of that cycle. Other rides just need to be replaced because they are not popular, or were designed poorly and are costing the park more to maintain than they are earning.
It wouldn't be fair to say that no Six Flags park will EVER get a new roller coaster again. However, I think it will definitely be a while before they do, as in at least a couple of years.
I’m sure their PR guys are all over it. Everyone at Six Flags is very aware of the backlash. If not, then there are bigger problems over there than any of us even realize…
He's been with the company for barely a year, so maybe they are waiting to see how this pans out. Maybe this time next year he'll be out, or maybe this time next year it'll be too late...
Love it how people with no business experience complain when, Magic Mountain (I'll be saying, Magic Mountain throughout but it will also mean, ALL six flag parks) doesn't add a new, 20 plus million coaster every year. Lol. The current, CEO was hired to help pay down, Magic Mountains MASSIVE DEBT. Magic Mountain has been trying to pay down it's debt since, 2009 when it went into bankruptcy. 2009, Magic Mountain was, 2.7 Billion in Debt. After bankruptcy, went down to 1.3 Billion. Since 2009, trying to pay down that 1.3 Billion in debt, Magic Mountain honestly hasn't really paid down the debt, they've just been paying on and really only paying down the interest payments since 2009. At some point, Magic Mountain has to start actually paying down the massive debt it has, or the majority share holders will end up selling the park to land/home developers that are already buying and building all around the park in Valencia right now. So for all of you, theme park "experts" if you want Magic Mountain to be around for another 50 years, they can't just always be in Billion dollar debts. Or.....pay triple the amount for park admission and don't complain about it and keep going while paying triple to get in. Disneyland and Calufornia adventure in Cali has such high park price admission because they build 100 plus million dollar themed rides. Typically, thrill ride coaster visitors don't have the income to spend 140 bucks on admission tickets like non thrill ride visitors do at Disneyland Parks. Thrill ride visitors guests are between the ages of, 24 to 34. Majority of people in this age group (closer to the 20s age group range) don't have the income to spend 140 plus to just get in a park. So.......just relax and stop crying and put your milk bottles down and be patient for about 3 years while Magic Mountain pays down it's debt. So no, Mr. "EXPERT" magic mountain cannot invest even more multi million dollar rides when at some point (like now) they have to pay down tge massive debt they have or within the next 5 to 10 years, they will have to start selling off its parks to cover and pay off the debt. Or, we can go with your plan and get even more into debt just to have a few more years of excitement just to then have no magic mountain to visit in 10 years.
Love it how people with no business experience complain when, Magic Mountain doesn't add a new, 20 plus million coaster every year. Lol. The current, CEO was hired to help pay down, Magic Mountains MASSIVE DEBT. Magic Mountain has been trying to pay down it's debt since, 2009 when it went into bankruptcy. 2009, Magic Mountain was, 2.7 Billion in Debt. After bankruptcy, went down to 1.3 Billion. Since 2009, trying to pay down that 1.3 Billion in debt, Magic Mountain honestly hasn't really paid down the debt, they've just been paying on and really only paying down the interest payments since 2009. At some point, Magic Mountain has to start actually paying down the massive debt it has, or the majority share holders will end up selling the park to land/home developers that are already buying and building all around the park in Valencia right now. So for all of you, theme park "experts" if you want Magic Mountain to be around for another 50 years, they can't just always be in Billion dollar debts. Or.....pay triple the amount for park admission and don't complain about it and keep going while paying triple to get in. Disneyland and Calufornia adventure in Cali has such high park price admission because they build 100 plus million dollar themed rides. Typically, thrill ride coaster visitors don't have the income to spend 140 bucks on admission tickets like non thrill ride visitors do at Disneyland Parks. Thrill ride visitors guests are between the ages of, 24 to 34. Majority of people in this age group (closer to the 20s age group range) don't have the income to spend 140 plus to just get in a park. So.......just relax and stop crying and put your milk bottles down and be patient for about 3 years while Magic Mountain pays down it's debt. So no, Mr. "EXPERT" magic mountain cannot invest even more multi million dollar rides when at some point (like now) they have to pay down tge massive debt they have or within the next 5 to 10 years, they will have to start selling off its parks to cover and pay off the debt. Or, we can go with your plan and get even more into debt just to have a few more years of excitement just to then have no magic mountain to visit in 10 years.
I am super happy with my home park, Six Flags Magic Mountain but I do understand people frustration in smaller Six Flag markets. I think he is doing the RIGHT thing to focus on better technology. For too long Six Flags process for getting food etc has been like being at a park from 1990.
I was born and raised just 35 minutes from Six Flags Magic Mountain in Valencia and went on average, 4 times a year from age, 12 to 17. It was awesome. Haven't been since, 2004 though.
It’d be dope if six flags made a specific park called prototype Valley, and all they have are prototypes with a questionnaire after as to which rides they’d like to see in the real parks
I think Michigan’s Adventure Plan for Six Flags overall isn’t the greatest. Yeah, Magic Mountain can stand to just get beautification along with Great America, but other parks need replacement roller coasters and other rides. Six Flags Over Texas has a lot of rides nearing the end of their life like Judge Roy Scream or Titan. Both are requiring lots of maintenance to keep going. Hell, I never saw Judge Roy Scream open this year. You can’t just finally open Aquaman and call it a day. That’s not even getting to parks like Frontier City or Great Escape. If you want Universal prestige, you need to have that level of park and rides. If half your rides are going to fall apart in the next three years, you might have an issue, and no amount of better benches and trash cans are going to solve it.
This is like at the end of Roller Coaster Tycoon when you can’t take any more loan money out and you’re just spending your $184 on landscaping because you can’t afford a pizza stall.
@@1of8plusbillion Michigan's Adventure gets joked about getting a new trashcan every year. Or a bench. And then blowing their whole budget on a bench that prevents them from adding a new ride. The real reason is that they can only stay open a really short amount of time due to the shorter season in Michigan, and Cedar Fair just can't see spending lots of money on the park that probably has the most underdeveloped amount of land in the Cedar Fair chain at 250 acres with the park taking up a small amount of it. So if you ever see someone joking about Michigan Adventure, that's why. They did get some kid's rides in 2021 which was meant to open in 2020. During the recent Cedar Fair expansion announcements, Michigan Adventure got . . . an ad for a Frozen Coke at McDonalds.
They did take out several older rides at SF Discovery Kingdom in California,and put in the new Safari Sidewinder spinning mouse. But attendance is not that good and they have increased the price .
@@countofarcadia What do you mean shorter? Isn't it a typical seasonal park that's open from late May or Halloween with some gaps in between (such as weekends only to start and end the season)?
Counter point: Theme Park enthusiasts who grew up during the Coaster Wars have unrealistic expectations of how often parks should receive major new attractions. That business model was proven to be unsustainable in the long run, because it required that companies carry massive amounts of debt for years on end. And then in 2008 and again in 2020, when revenue streams were interrupted, the debt became a dangerous liability.
That man will run the company into the ground, but he will somehow get plenty of chances along the way and never deliver on them. Have to love people who get to fail up.
You do realize the current CEOs job/orders from its board of directors and its majority shareholders are ordering him to start to pay down six flags MASSIVE 1 PLUS BILLION in debts now. Just before 2009, six flags had, 2.7 Billion in debts. After filling for bankruptcy in 2009, they had to still retain 1.3 Billion in debts. Since 2009, six flags hasn't paid down any of its debts, just added some more to it, only being able to afford to pay the interest on its debts.....you do know that businesses that are in the billion dollar plus debt range doesn't Stay in business long when it doesn't make an effort to pay down it's debts.....because banks will stop lending massive amounts of cash to six flags when it's obvious that six flags has no intention to pay down it's debts. What incentive do banks have to keep lending six flags cash to buy multi million dollar rides every year? Because this notion that six flags pays for its rides in cash and in one payment is so false. Rides that cost more than a few million dollars are all financed and not fully paid for up front. Six flags can only keep building multi million dollar rides every year, if it can keep boring hundreds of millions of dollars every year......banks have started to close its doors to six flags........next 3 years are going to be focused on making money now and paying down it's debts so in the next 5 to 7 years, six flags can start building massive and great rides again every year. From 1997 to 2004, six flags (especially magic mountain) was adding multi million dollar rides every year. At one year, 2003, Magic Mountain added 3 new rides that were all insanely expensive. Costing all on average, 15 to 20 million each. From 1993 to 2003, six flags added 1 billion dollars in new debt in just rides. Six flags is a business. Not a thrill ride charity.
Actually though, I'm cool with six flags, especially the "lower tier" parks fixing things, painting, paving, replacing rusty bars and fences, replacing, retracking, or RMCing old rough coasters, etc. hopefully helping them rise up from lower tier status.
I've already not renewed my Season Pass this year because of this, and I have had a season pass almost every year for the past 10 years and always buy a gold flash past for my group every visit. But this new development brought it to the end for me.
Love it how people with no business experience complain when, Magic Mountain doesn't add a new, 20 plus million coaster every year. Lol. The current, CEO was hired to help pay down, Magic Mountains MASSIVE DEBT. Magic Mountain has been trying to pay down it's debt since, 2009 when it went into bankruptcy. 2009, Magic Mountain was, 2.7 Billion in Debt. After bankruptcy, went down to 1.3 Billion. Since 2009, trying to pay down that 1.3 Billion in debt, Magic Mountain honestly hasn't really paid down the debt, they've just been paying on and really only paying down the interest payments since 2009. At some point, Magic Mountain has to start actually paying down the massive debt it has, or the majority share holders will end up selling the park to land/home developers that are already buying and building all around the park in Valencia right now. So for all of you, theme park "experts" if you want Magic Mountain to be around for another 50 years, they can't just always be in Billion dollar debts. Or.....pay triple the amount for park admission and don't complain about it and keep going while paying triple to get in. Disneyland and Calufornia adventure in Cali has such high park price admission because they build 100 plus million dollar themed rides. Typically, thrill ride coaster visitors don't have the income to spend 140 bucks on admission tickets like non thrill ride visitors do at Disneyland Parks. Thrill ride visitors guests are between the ages of, 24 to 34. Majority of people in this age group (closer to the 20s age group range) don't have the income to spend 140 plus to just get in a park. So.......just relax and stop crying and put your milk bottles down and be patient for about 3 years while Magic Mountain pays down it's debt. So no, Mr. "EXPERT" magic mountain cannot invest even more multi million dollar rides when at some point (like now) they have to pay down tge massive debt they have or within the next 5 to 10 years, they will have to start selling off its parks to cover and pay off the debt. Or, we can go with your plan and get even more into debt just to have a few more years of excitement just to then have no magic mountain to visit in 10 years.
@@danniboi187 self righteous to you because I explained something that is simple business theory and tactics and strategy? I mean, ok yeah, I'll admit I explained in a non 2nd grade explanation way, but can we act like an adult for a few minutes and not get butt hurt because you feel like you maybe missed the mark on not knowing this Information and your defense mechanism is to lash out with name calling to not feel so ignorant? Is that maybe it? Am I tracking?
@@danniboi187 kinda ironic how someone who uses name calling and sarcasm on someone is calling out someone who is doing the same thing. Lol irony, hypocrite, arrogance.....anything else I'm missing on describing you? Lol
I agree with what other have said if they aren’t adding rides at least add park upgrades and refurbishments. Great America is actually my home park and if they were able to get American eagle to dual reliably again I would be so happy! Also I think great America could do better with advertising the park. I live in Chicago and have never seen one ad for it there. Chicago gets 55 million tourists a year and I doubt most of them know there’s a theme park about an hour north of it.
Oh, no. They are more concerned with ruining the Americana theme of the park by returning areas with poorly done DC decor (if you haven’t been in recent months…oh my what they did to the area around Batman is comically bad).
How to fix six flags: 1. fire selim 2. lower costs for tickets 3. manage the rides better 4. more rides either original or from one WB's IPs (i.e. Rick and Morty, Ed, Edd, n Eddy, RWBY, the monsterverse, etc) 5. have stuff promoting RWBY so RT can give us volume 9 faster(this is more of a personal thing)
You do realize the current CEOs job/orders from its board of directors and its majority shareholders are ordering him to start to pay down six flags MASSIVE 1 PLUS BILLION in debts now. Just before 2009, six flags had, 2.7 Billion in debts. After filling for bankruptcy in 2009, they had to still retain 1.3 Billion in debts. Since 2009, six flags hasn't paid down any of its debts, just added some more to it, only being able to afford to pay the interest on its debts.....you do know that businesses that are in the billion dollar plus debt range doesn't Stay in business long when it doesn't make an effort to pay down it's debts.....because banks will stop lending massive amounts of cash to six flags when it's obvious that six flags has no intention to pay down it's debts. What incentive do banks have to keep lending six flags cash to buy multi million dollar rides every year? Because this notion that six flags pays for its rides in cash and in one payment is so false. Rides that cost more than a few million dollars are all financed and not fully paid for up front. Six flags can only keep building multi million dollar rides every year, if it can keep boring hundreds of millions of dollars every year......banks have started to close its doors to six flags........next 3 years are going to be focused on making money now and paying down it's debts so in the next 5 to 7 years, six flags can start building massive and great rides again every year. From 1997 to 2004, six flags (especially magic mountain) was adding multi million dollar rides every year. At one year, 2003, Magic Mountain added 3 new rides that were all insanely expensive. Costing all on average, 15 to 20 million each. From 1993 to 2003, six flags added 1 billion dollars in new debt in just rides. Six flags is a business. Not a thrill ride charity. Your plan will just add even more debts. Here's some advise. Don't ever own your own business. You'll bankrupt your family. Lower admission costs on top of your ideas?????? Yeah, having to pay higher wages with minimum wages going up while at the same time, charging even less to get in. Charging small amounts for admission Draws in a demographic of people will less disposable income, which means they will spend even less while inside the park. How the hell are you going to make money? Also, these demographics brings in unruly crowds. Why do you think Disneyland parks never have guests safety issues with other guests???? Because this type type demographic of people can't afford Disneyland parks and Disney likes that.
Wow! The way you called out other channels with their “predictions/guarantees” but in a respectful way! Gain my sub and like! Great video and breakdown!
“Axis has Six Flags written all over it” I mean, Axis backwards has the word Six in it, but other than that I didn’t even think back then that this would come to Six Flags before Cedar Fair.
I’d go with the SeaWorld parks. They have a massive track record with prototypes. First B&M Hyper - Apollos First Large scale dives machines. Falcons fury drop tower prototype First Surf Coaster. And I think the Atlantis water coasters were the first of their kind. Big Bad Wolf was the 2nd suspended arrow but was the first to consistently function.
I recognize the voice of Looping Thrills in many of those clips from prediction videos. His definitely seem to be shameless clickbait. This makes me glad that I shy away from prediction videos, but one of the very few I’ve made was almost correct so I’m mostly in the clear.
We are going to Six Flags less often because the majority of the rides (and especially the rides that are open) are the crazy extreme roller coasters. We, and our children, don’t care for those. The nice, fun, enjoyable family rides are almost non-existent, or are always closed. We’re tired of paying good money only to find closed rides. There’s a reason Disney is so popular without having crazy extreme rides. Six Flags just doesn’t seem to get that concept!
I feel the same way..need more family rides to enjoy with the kids ...there is baby rides and roller coaster but not much to enjoy with let's say for kids ages 6 to 12 to enjoy or even for older kids that don't like roller coasters
Six flags, especially Magic Mountain is not aimed towards majority of family style guests.....that's for Disneyland. Do people really think that six flags parks can become a family park and compete with Disney parks? Lmao good luck
Yeah I'm not too thrilled about Zambezi at WoF. I get it, it pays homage to the original (even though you can actually still ride it in Colombia where it was relocated) but still we should have gotten something more modern like a launch coaster. Sure this coaster will probably be great at first but like any other traditional woody it will be rougher than a old arrow coaster by it's 5th year. Granted it has Titan track in parts of the ride which is another thing that bothers me, I feel like that's lazy. Why not make the entire track Titan track?
Honestly, Maxx Force hasn't had that many issues. Especially compared to other launch coasters like TTD. It's actually open most of the time, and with 2 trains the line actually moves pretty fast. I totally agree with some of your other takes tho... There's literally nowhere to put an Axis coaster at Great America 🥴 and after DejaVu, the park has avoided prototypes. Maxx Force is nowhere near a prototype... It's literally at least the 3rd or 4th generation ride of it's type. Goliath and X-Flight were the *second* coaster of their type to be built. They learned their lesson when it comes to taking risks like that.
I’m praying the chain folds and their parks get sold off with Cedar Fair buying Great America. It’s located far enough from CP and VF that there would’ve be any competition concerns.
I honestly think that your 100% right. All this speculation about Great America is bull as well. It's a great park the way it is but with all the violence and even the recent shooting that happened there, I think the park isn't gonna get anything. They instead are gonna focus on security and purging out any undesirable guests. Once they think they've done this, thats when the parks gonna get a new attraction but that won't be for a few years at least and if they do get a new ride, like you said it's probably gonna be a cheap RMC conversion of American Eagle.
You implying that Disney wants anything to do with six flags parks? Lmao. No. Six flags filled bankruptcy in 2009 and still hasn't been able to pay down any of the 1 billion plus in debt it has. Before the bankruptcy, six flags was, 2.7 billion in debt. Lmao Disney is in the business of making money not collecting massive debts just to keep park attendance from slipping.
I do have a little bit of knowledge I can share on the topic. Great America is never getting a raptor and Eagle is not going to be RMCd. Buccaneer Battle all though listed as a temporary closure has been closed permanently to make way for a now scrapped large flat ride.
@@AttractionIdeas BTW i gonna be surprised if Six Flags Magic Mountain that easily give up his spot as a park with the most Rollercoasters in the World coz this year Energylandia (Zator, Poland) is getting their 18,19 ride, and also in mid to late 2023 they are getting a Vekoma Tilt Coaster as their 20 ride and likely they will be getting atleast 1 more rides for their 10th anniversary in 2024.
This is Indicative of the problems with current corporate America. As a CEO his soul job is to bring value to the shareholders today, make his objectives, make money today. He doesn’t care what happens to the parks five years from now, he probably won’t be there. So he’ll collective bonuses run the place into the ground, leave it in flames and move on to the next place and do the exact same thing… and no one in charge will care because they made money and worst case get a massive buyout by another company.
I remember when playing roller coaster tycoon and even in that computer game, after awhile people got tired of certain rides. So then if your space is limited, you have to start building new rides to keep people coming back. I remember many years ago, I was excited when six flags had a new ride. It's what gets you hyped up. I remember at Great America, when they built Hurricane Harbor, that was awesome. But to access Harbor, I believe you had to walk into the Six Flags park. The inconvenience is where you park your car because you would be walking a long way with your swim suite. And lockers, be ready to fork out like 15 or 20 dollars. I remember one time I wanted to go to Hurricane Harbor and ironically they were only open on weekends. It's great when parks offer options to ride roller coasters and water parks, but it's kind of hard to do both in one day and then having to carry everything with you. For how far people have to walk, at least some of these parks offer a shuttle or a bus. I don't recall six flags great america ever offering this as an option. As I get older, it's the long drive just to get to six flags that I don't look forward to. Then when all there is to do is go on rides, it's not what I'm into that much anymore. I prefer going to the shows etc or doing other activities that aren't just going on rides. The last time I went to great america was over 10 years ago. They are supposed to be the cleanest park and the parking lot after I left was just trashed. Then of course worse thing is to use their restrooms when it smells like a smoke house because designated smoking zones from what I remember were just outside of the restrooms. I just remember for freight fest the weather was so cold and I felt so lonely because I went by myself.
I swear Selim is running Six Flags like the only parks are Magic Mountain, Great Adventure, and Great America. Those are the only parks that really do have all the coasters they need and could use some beautification and family-friendly atmosphere improvements. Every Six Flags park is different and has different needs.
Six Flags is trying to mimic Disney’s recent consumer changes without the historic brand prestige that Disney has. Their audience also overlaps heavily with the same people who have already been priced out of Disney. This isn’t going to go well for Six Flags.
......what....lol. nobody can mimic Disney parks its why they are a massive money maker with its parks. What Disney parks spend in just landscaping costs every year, is more than what six flag parks make a year lmao
Dead is Six Flags Magic Mountain, currently a low car count in the parking lot. I hope that the park will not be torn down/removed and replaced with ugly houses/dwellings like the units above it!
Selim Bassoul is doing the Discount Chain Coaster Additions with the Cedar Fair/Seaworld pricing/ weird that both of those chains get more rides than Six Flags
Six Flags is going the way of Disney Parks. Putting cash over customers. Quantity over quality. It’s business decisions like this that lead to a theme/amusement park company going bankrupt and defunct.
......how.....Disney builds 100 plus million dollar rides/attractions all the time. Lol. Has the best restaurants in its parks and best shows......you really comparing the 2? Lmao. Disney also invests hundreds of millions in just ride theming.....six flags spends just penny's on this portion. Sig flags has a hard enough time just paying for the rides itself. Haha. Prior to 2009, six flags had 2.7 billion in debts. After filling bankruptcy in 2009, they still had to retain 1.3 billion in debts. It's now 2022 and six flags has yet to pay that down. Six flags barley covers/affords the interest payments on its debt. Lol.
@@williamhaynes7089 but his job is to be more responsible with the cash flow to be able to finally have six flags start paying down it's massive debts. What do you want him to do? Add more debts to then have the majority shareholders force a sale?
@@nexpro6118 I think that keeping people on membership is way to go, You get a income weather or not people show up. The food pass was not good for profits so i understand getting rid of that.
I'm glad I managed to go to my local one with a friend before all the stuff surrounding this nightmare scenario started taking place. It was also weirdly either a day before or the day el toro derailed and we missed it cause when we rode it it was completely fine but someone in the ride before of us had motion sickness of some kind and they had to wash out the ride car due to them vomiting in it which caused a slight delay of a few minutes. It was my first time there in over a decade and it was generally a good time.
Cedar Fair is grandfathered as an MLP. They are required to distribute their “distributable” cash to unit holders. So in order to keep more money invested in the business, they spend more on attractions in order to reduce distributable cash flow.
Six Flags is as much fun as a root canal and the new trajectory guarantees that just like the past 18 years I will be somewhere else with a smile. I have never left a park feeling so depressed like I have at six flags.....it made me feel poor cuz it was so busted.
Magic Mountain doesn't need new rides. In fact, I would be most happy if they didn't add anything new for the next decade and upgraded/refurbished their current rides. Simple changes that would make the rides far more enjoyable: WCR: Take those god awful seatbelts out and replace them with either vests or regular lap seat belts. Viper: Lap bars X2: Fix the shaking for god's sake! Riddler's Revenge: Sit down/floorless conversion. Ideally sit-down because we already have a floorless Scream: Theme and landscape the ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everything else I would say is good for now. As for whatever their next ride would be, I would hope for an Apocalypse RMC or at least something to make that rough, forceless woodie worth waiting for.
I wouldn't mind holding off on a new ride for a year or two if they increased the theming of the parks. I mean, I doubt it's going to happen, but I can hope for better theming.
They really need to fix the looks of the six flags parks like maintaining rides so there not as rough . Also the looks of the parks like new coats of paint new path ways and stuff
Six flags Saint Louis hasn’t gotten a new coaster that wasn’t a transfer since 2008. You’re better off just going to Silver Dollar City. They are adding coasters left and right. The best thing SF STL could do is RMC The Boss so it is no longer nicknamed “The Migraine.”
We're going into a massive recession when people are cutting cost.. Can't spend 25 million dollars on a roller coaster in a year when the public is gonna be spending less
This new ceo won’t be around too long . Hell be gone by the end of 2023 . You can’t just charge Disney prices at these parks . Six flags is gonna have to start either closing or selling parks pretty soon . This is not gonna end well .
You do realize the current CEOs job/orders from its board of directors and its majority shareholders are ordering him to start to pay down six flags MASSIVE 1 PLUS BILLION in debts now. Just before 2009, six flags had, 2.7 Billion in debts. After filling for bankruptcy in 2009, they had to still retain 1.3 Billion in debts. Since 2009, six flags hasn't paid down any of its debts, just added some more to it, only being able to afford to pay the interest on its debts.....you do know that businesses that are in the billion dollar plus debt range doesn't Stay in business long when it doesn't make an effort to pay down it's debts.....because banks will stop lending massive amounts of cash to six flags when it's obvious that six flags has no intention to pay down it's debts. What incentive do banks have to keep lending six flags cash to buy multi million dollar rides every year? Because this notion that six flags pays for its rides in cash and in one payment is so false. Rides that cost more than a few million dollars are all financed and not fully paid for up front. Six flags can only keep building multi million dollar rides every year, if it can keep boring hundreds of millions of dollars every year......banks have started to close its doors to six flags........next 3 years are going to be focused on making money now and paying down it's debts so in the next 5 to 7 years, six flags can start building massive and great rides again every year. From 1997 to 2004, six flags (especially magic mountain) was adding multi million dollar rides every year. At one year, 2003, Magic Mountain added 3 new rides that were all insanely expensive. Costing all on average, 15 to 20 million each. From 1993 to 2003, six flags added 1 billion dollars in new debt in just rides. Six flags is a business. Not a thrill ride charity.
Is that Movin Right Along from the Muppets instrumental in the background of your video? Aka the instrumental soundtrack from Muppets Courtyard at Hollywood Studios ? 😂
I honestly hate the new CEO he ruined six flags he ruined the rides, he ruined the season passes ( can't buy dining pass ), and he's so money hungry I can't anymore
Six Flags Great America is my home park and it desperately needs an elite coaster ( not happening, right ) . Maxx Force is always down is the real T. I'm bored with the park after 8 visits and nothing new on the horizon :( Maybe I won't invest in a season pass 2023. On a last note: How did this S.O.B of a CEO get the position? He must gooooooooo!
I agree I’ve been going to great America since I was 10 and the park always seemed to have a new ride every year or two. It keeps the locals coming back which should be the target audience. People won’t travel the across country/world for a six flags like they do for Disney/universal.
The new CEO is only interested in lining his pocket... According to some patrons, many of the parks are starting to look ratty and unkempt, while competitor Cedar Fair keeps their holdings fresh and well maintained... What's going on here? Did the old dancing man finally keel over and die?
The Maxx Force ride honestly wasn't that great and mostly due to how short it is. Like yeah most coasters are short, but it felt like we were on it for like 30 seconds. That plus the 45 minute line was annoying.
Frankly, infrastructure is something more parks should focus on. It's ok adding coasters or attractions every year, but (at least on the last park days I had) finding ways around the park or things in them for customer comfort. I hope the idea of adjusting infrastructure for the next few years could indeed be a strategic move (especially as the major issue I keep hearing about SFMM is navigating it) to make space or sensible navigation issues FOR new attractions. The idea of having everything controlled via app is the best move too. Seeing Flash Pass tags and suff was always concerning - with the idea they were going to fall off. As someone who wears a watch I also don't want to be in LA and have, say, a magic band (for Disney hotel access), a watch and a flash pass/queues jump wristband. I don't think going "oh noes, no rides now" is the best option. If you don't agree with the moves being made, look at alternatives in your region. Let's be fair, most markets have at least one alternative to Six Flags parks. I definitely think it'll be worth watching them for the next few years before declaring Six Flags "dead" and claiming the CEO doesn't know anything - this could actually be a sensible move in the long run especially after the massive crash the hospitality industry has taken. Covid may be behind us but think of the hundreds of millions of dollars SF/CF and the like lost over that period...
The only non-ride thing I think would make the parks much better is landscaping an maintenance everywhere continuously all year... I haven't been to SFoT in ages but it's consistently glaring that theming is broken, dirty, or just gone because it is cheaper to not have a pool of water or to replace dead plants... or to pay someone to clean. That would help create a more "premium" experience like the CEO says he wants to do... and not require new rides.
Steel curtain is fine now it’s running almost every day to my knowledge so we can’t completely use the “operational issues” card for any year except 2021 and 2019.
I think Six Flags is just done for in general. The parks this season have been empty. Like Great Adventure, it's was generally a quite season for them especially in mid season where the park was relatively empty. A flag ship Six Flags park. Empty. Hersheypark this year was PACKED full most of the season this year and I can see why it was.
@@MrWaffles_YT lol that's the opposite of what this CEO is doing. He has raised prices to decrease the parks attendance so he can lay off 15 percent of staff
One thing I can't stand is old rides. Especially when they're not that good. I got a bad feeling six flags is going to neglect all the parks and try to Rob visitors for money.
You do realize the current CEOs job/orders from its board of directors and its majority shareholders are ordering him to start to pay down six flags MASSIVE 1 PLUS BILLION in debts now. Just before 2009, six flags had, 2.7 Billion in debts. After filling for bankruptcy in 2009, they had to still retain 1.3 Billion in debts. Since 2009, six flags hasn't paid down any of its debts, just added some more to it, only being able to afford to pay the interest on its debts.....you do know that businesses that are in the billion dollar plus debt range doesn't Stay in business long when it doesn't make an effort to pay down it's debts.....because banks will stop lending massive amounts of cash to six flags when it's obvious that six flags has no intention to pay down it's debts. What incentive do banks have to keep lending six flags cash to buy multi million dollar rides every year? Because this notion that six flags pays for its rides in cash and in one payment is so false. Rides that cost more than a few million dollars are all financed and not fully paid for up front. Six flags can only keep building multi million dollar rides every year, if it can keep boring hundreds of millions of dollars every year......banks have started to close its doors to six flags........next 3 years are going to be focused on making money now and paying down it's debts so in the next 5 to 7 years, six flags can start building massive and great rides again every year. From 1997 to 2004, six flags (especially magic mountain) was adding multi million dollar rides every year. At one year, 2003, Magic Mountain added 3 new rides that were all insanely expensive. Costing all on average, 15 to 20 million each. From 1993 to 2003, six flags added 1 billion dollars in new debt in just rides. Six flags is a business. Not a thrill ride charity.
@@deepatterson1835 but not continuing to visit sir flag parks while they are now paying down debts so that you can continue to visit a sir flag park 10 years from now just speeds up the down fall of sig flags because how can they pay down debts when guests stop visiting because of no new multi million dollar coaster every year.....not going anymore to one (as a fan that so many claim to be) these "fans" are putting six flags(especially magic mountain) to be sold off to land developers
@@nexpro6118 I'm a fan of RMC and intimatin if someone just had a giant lot with just those types of rides I will go. Just drop the sixflags name all together.
@@deepatterson1835 i get it, I think. Lol so you want a new branding change? Like a name make over? The 1.3 billion in current debt is its short term debt it's Long term debt is, 2.6 billion. Long term debt means, if six flags keeps going on its past/current track before the new CEO took over last year and it's current and past pace of new rides every year, a company can push out some debts over 10 years. So if six flags doesn't make any financial moves/ changes to start paying off its debts, in 10 years they will go from its 1.3 billion current debt to 2.6 billion in debts in just 10 years from now. So the Golden question is, what does the CEO do to honestly pay down this debt to not have to ve forced to sell from its share and stock holders. Six flags hasn't made net profit in years.
7:30 Steel Curtain wasn't even a Prototype. It was a traditional looping coaster. Also S&S has built launch coasters similar to Maxx Force in China before Maxx Force.
Nice take! Entertaining too. Might want to add disclaimer that you're not arguing or disputing or hating on other channels (Which I assume you arent) this is all for fun speculation afterall right? and that sweet sweet ad revenue
I love this they want you to use your phone for all this stuff but how you going to get on the ride after you show your flash pass when you can't bring your phone with you
Horrible idea. Being a family park is then now having to compete with Disney parks. Lol nobody can compete with Disney parks. Budgets and mindset are so high
Yeah not sure why those rumors got so much press lately. That project has probably been dead for months. Shame too, cause a Giga would make Great Adventure’s lineup truly legendary
@@AttractionIdeas I work at great adventure, and it literally wasn't canceled until the park president was fired. They were clearing land for it when it was canceled.
Watch as we get a barebones “celebration” for our 50th anniversary instead of a major coaster. I was hearing rumors about it and I was pretty excited to see what would happen. Now I’m not planning on continuing to go to the park or keeping my membership if Six Flags doesn’t invest in any major coasters. Hopefully either SF changes for the better by getting rid of Selim or other chains step in to purchase some parks
@@jerseydevil64 magic Mountain got a clone of Jersey Devil for their 50th anniversary and as a bonus a milestone 20th coaster.... not really worthy of either title, what are you expecting?.. hopefully you get to keep Toro for a 50th anniversary gift.
@@AttractionIdeas Half the effects didn't get past the fist month of operation sadly. I like the opening scenes, but once you get to the Speelunkers it's the worst case scenario for It's A Small World. Everybody in my party hated it, and I thought it was just okay.
You don’t need to spend money for the sake of spending money. Liviathon and Behimith are still popular. But sadly there is no safety anymore for the safety strike. It be nice if they are back so they can maintain and old costers will eventually die like the mine buster.
Yeah single rider lines sound great in theory, but I’m not sure exactly how effective they’ve been in practice. Haven’t really heard much about them so I’d have to test it out for myself.
Palace Entertainment bought Adventureland and I asked the Manager about the chances of Adventureland getting a Steel Curtain coaster and he laughed and said " Trust me, you don't want one of those here. Lots of troubles and headaches." So, I can see S&S has not made fans at Palace. I asked this because I was upset at the Flying Viking they are getting. I was expecting better from Palace and I wanted to make sure I told him. I have been going to Adventureland for 48 years and Palace needs to better than they have. They have money to spend.
Funny thing about Six Flags, is that the parks vary so wildly, that there cannot be one solid answer for the entire chain. What might work for Great America, might not work for Magic Mountain. What might work for Over Texas, might not work for Great Escape. I wonder what Air Time Thrills thinks about this!
ANYTHING would work for Great Escape right about now lol. They haven't seen a new coaster since the Bush administration...
Honestly reminds me of Cedar Fair and Knott's Berry Farm. There was a time when Cedar Fair tried desperately to reshape and mould the park to become one with their standardized affair elsewhere but it wasn't doing them any good. A big focus on thrills and teens/thrill seekers and cutting most everything else that didn't fit the bill. However sometime in the mid 2010s a change in management focused on being a locally-driven park with an emphasis on events and family affair, as well catering more towards families in a more proactive sense. And the efforts paid off and Knott's Berry Farm is honestly a jewel that sits alongside Cedar Point.
And look at Disney. They've been trying to assimilate Disneyland under the same rules and regulations that worked at Walt Disney World, even though both resorts have very different demographics and desires and because of that they're really tarnishing the image they've built up in California.
Kind of goes to show that trying to homogenize theme and amusement parks doesn't really work out and that parks should be built and maintained to cater to their immediate local customer base rather than trying to be a one-size-fits-all ordeal.
@@TheOnlyBongo Yeah, Disney completely ruined California Adventure. The whole point of California Adventure was to be a Cali themed park, and they literally just slapped Disney branding all over everything to make it fit the Disney brand. I'm pretty sad about that.
Lmfao great escape would benefit from dusting that's how lame of a home park it is.
Just about anything would work at great escape we don’t have anything even slightly of value
I wouldn't mind no new additions if every single park spent money on upgrades all around. Improving all reliability on attractions so that while nothing is being added, what the parks have are all rideable. Some rides simply need refurbishments. Also opening up/cleaning areas and restaurants that are always closed and/or look abandoned. Improve the experience if you want us to pay more, otherwise, nothing is going to change.
That's what I was hoping they'd do this year with no new rides at many parks but nope, operations have been as bad as ever at my park and the place is as poorly run as always (and from the sounds of it many others)
Seriously!! I had to wait an hour and a half in line to order lunch! It was the only place to get food in the park and it was close to 15$ for a slice of pizza. This shit should be illegal. (That would require lawmakers to care about humans tho lol. Very funny)
I think there biggest issue is finding employees that want to work AND giving them better pay.
Would be nice to see more shows or concerts like they did back in the day, also you hardly ever see characters anymore what up with that?
Remember when we all thought the high prices meant Six Flags would start investing in huge coasters? Man, those were the good old days.
Also, great video. I love the energy you bring to your content.
If only we'd be getting new coasters for the high prices.
@@Loopingthrills Magic Mountain is over 1 Billion in debt since its bankruptcy in 2009. You do know that at some point they need to start paying down this debt, right?
If he wants to focus on other non addition things, focus on increasing ride maintenance and operations budget. EB from CoasterRadio went to SFOT and ½ the coasters were closed.
I can attest to this. I love SFOT, but when I went there were closures on La Vibora, Judge Roy Scream, and even Mini Mine Train.
@@ThemeParkAvenue and then they literally opened and closed Casa Magnetica in the same year.
@@AmusementLabs honestly forgot that existed. I think that was closed or gone when I went.
Definitely. If operations were better and they spent more money on them and maintenance the coasters would have more cycles and ride time. You'd get the same capacity increase as adding a new coaster. Sure it's nothing you can advertise but when people come to your park and have a good time it makes them actually want to spend money and come back.
Great America is my home park and I could totally agree with his argument that an S&S Axis prototype. Even if it was a killer ride, the facts are it'd be short, the lines would be long, and it'd be down all the time. I'd rather them spend 1/10th the money to refurbish American Eagle, get it racing again, and have it no longer stacking two trains like crazy by using the money from a new coaster to pay staff better to get the place more appropriately staffed.
With how things are going I'm tempted to just cancel my grandfathered in membership and take a 3 year break from the park while they figure their shit out or go bankrupt again.
At Magic Mountain all but 1 of the ADA Elevators are down and have been all year. The Only One that works is Wonder Woman (because it's new) and that one has no way to signal anyone that you are there to use it
Makes sense. Something that is even more shocking is that Six Flags hasn't built a hyper coaster since 2006. That was Over Georgia's Goliath. Nothing that Six Flags has built since then has been taller.
Also, Cedar Fair has opened 10 hypers since 2007. The three 230ft B&M hypers, the three B&M gigas, the two 223ft dive machines, I305, and SteVe.
I don't mind a park not building something new for a year. If this plan streamlines the ride experience and they can put funding in a better layout, shorter lines, cleaner park and maybe a fresh coat of paint on everything.
Seriously- THANK YOU for using your brain and critical thinking, and daring to say something that goes against the norm. You’re absolutely right- given Six Flags’ chosen direction, it makes zero sense to take unnecessary risks right now. Leave that for when the chain isn’t in a downward, spiraling free fall. Pun intended. 😎
A downward spiral free fall would be an improvement tbh.
Love it how people with no business experience complain when, Magic Mountain doesn't add a new, 20 plus million coaster every year. Lol. The current, CEO was hired to help pay down, Magic Mountains MASSIVE DEBT. Magic Mountain has been trying to pay down it's debt since, 2009 when it went into bankruptcy. 2009, Magic Mountain was, 2.7 Billion in Debt. After bankruptcy, went down to 1.3 Billion. Since 2009, trying to pay down that 1.3 Billion in debt, Magic Mountain honestly hasn't really paid down the debt, they've just been paying on and really only paying down the interest payments since 2009. At some point, Magic Mountain has to start actually paying down the massive debt it has, or the majority share holders will end up selling the park to land/home developers that are already buying and building all around the park in Valencia right now. So for all of you, theme park "experts" if you want Magic Mountain to be around for another 50 years, they can't just always be in Billion dollar debts. Or.....pay triple the amount for park admission and don't complain about it and keep going while paying triple to get in. Disneyland and Calufornia adventure in Cali has such high park price admission because they build 100 plus million dollar themed rides. Typically, thrill ride coaster visitors don't have the income to spend 140 bucks on admission tickets like non thrill ride visitors do at Disneyland Parks. Thrill ride visitors guests are between the ages of, 24 to 34. Majority of people in this age group (closer to the 20s age group range) don't have the income to spend 140 plus to just get in a park. So.......just relax and stop crying and put your milk bottles down and be patient for about 3 years while Magic Mountain pays down it's debt.
@@Reality_a_thing after filling bankruptcy in 2009, they've been in debt just over 1 billion dollars. At some point, they have to pay that down. Which is the job of the current CEO to start doing now. If magic mountain keeps waiting with paying down the 1 billion plus in debt.....magic mountain will be sold off to land developers for homes within the next 5 to 10 years.
If they really want to abandon the Walmart crowd they need to shed the lame parks.
Yeah! They should sell SFA to someone who wants to take care of it
@@ronanmailhot8670 No wants it because the urban DC crowd sucks
Six Flags is smart to not invest in the Axis idea, it just screams problems. The one good thing about the RMC raptor prototype is that its simple, it doesn't reinvent the wheel but creates a simplified axel in which the wheel can turn. The more complex the rides get the more potential problems arise and for a brand like Six Flags they just can't afford those kinds of problems. Cedar Fair can afford to have a protoype or two get lost to the engineering dust bin, Six Flags needs to keep its head straight and just stick to fun, reliable rides for now. Dr. Diabolical was by far the most sensible choice, if anything they could use more dive coasters across more parks because that is what brings the GP.
I don’t agree with Six Flags’ strategy. This isn’t Disney or Universal. People go to Six Flags for roller coasters. That’s their niche.
Not investing in new thrill rides is a mistake in my opinion. Some parks could stand to be cleaned up a bit and maybe improve the food. Otherwise stay in your lane and invest in great roller coasters. That’s why people go.
Well it’s not like all the coasters they’ve built will suddenly disappear. Most of they’re parks already have coasters.
@@Johnnyiswhere when did he say they will dissapear, tf?
@@DDK_channel_1 I’m saying not building new coasters isn’t a bad thing. They already have enough with what they have…period
@Tom W the problem for both SF as well as CF is that they own too many properties and simply don't have the budget for expensive new rides.
A big part of what got the company into this financial mess in the first place was buying up too many parks and then dumping expensive coasters every other year into some of them WITHOUT waiting for the return on the investment but their biggest mistake was the pointless coaster arms race between MM and CP.. They should have invested those coasters into the parks that could have benefited from them more than SFMM just for the sake of winning a stupid title that the majority of the general public could care less about although CF is equally guilty of this as well by giving CP coaster after coaster when their smaller parks could benefit from such investments far more.
@@Johnnyiswhere the problem with that is rides are constantly evolving, and people always want to see the next big new thrill. If Six Flags stops competing in the evolution and says, we have enough coasters, we don't need to build more, fans will eventually come to say, we're already rode all the six flag rides, we don't need to go to that park anymore. Universal's got a 5 new rides since we last went, lets go there instead.
There's also the fact that rides have life cycles, they can only be repaired for so long before they need to be outright replaced. Some rides are at the end of that cycle. Other rides just need to be replaced because they are not popular, or were designed poorly and are costing the park more to maintain than they are earning.
It wouldn't be fair to say that no Six Flags park will EVER get a new roller coaster again. However, I think it will definitely be a while before they do, as in at least a couple of years.
If they survive that long...
Ceo will get fired when plan fails and then it will be massive upgrades
@@williamhaynes7089 yes. I would go as far as saying Selim Bassoul is CRIPPLING Six Flags.
Idea: improve the theming and the ride queues instead, and also build some more gentle rides as well as wild ones.
I would say Magic Mountain could work on timelines for their coasters. Six Flags St Louis I can get through a long que line within 15 mins.
The fact that the board has done nothing about Selim or at least talked to him about all of this or anything like that is concerning.
I’m sure their PR guys are all over it. Everyone at Six Flags is very aware of the backlash. If not, then there are bigger problems over there than any of us even realize…
He's been with the company for barely a year, so maybe they are waiting to see how this pans out. Maybe this time next year he'll be out, or maybe this time next year it'll be too late...
Love it how people with no business experience complain when, Magic Mountain (I'll be saying, Magic Mountain throughout but it will also mean, ALL six flag parks) doesn't add a new, 20 plus million coaster every year. Lol. The current, CEO was hired to help pay down, Magic Mountains MASSIVE DEBT. Magic Mountain has been trying to pay down it's debt since, 2009 when it went into bankruptcy. 2009, Magic Mountain was, 2.7 Billion in Debt. After bankruptcy, went down to 1.3 Billion. Since 2009, trying to pay down that 1.3 Billion in debt, Magic Mountain honestly hasn't really paid down the debt, they've just been paying on and really only paying down the interest payments since 2009. At some point, Magic Mountain has to start actually paying down the massive debt it has, or the majority share holders will end up selling the park to land/home developers that are already buying and building all around the park in Valencia right now. So for all of you, theme park "experts" if you want Magic Mountain to be around for another 50 years, they can't just always be in Billion dollar debts. Or.....pay triple the amount for park admission and don't complain about it and keep going while paying triple to get in. Disneyland and Calufornia adventure in Cali has such high park price admission because they build 100 plus million dollar themed rides. Typically, thrill ride coaster visitors don't have the income to spend 140 bucks on admission tickets like non thrill ride visitors do at Disneyland Parks. Thrill ride visitors guests are between the ages of, 24 to 34. Majority of people in this age group (closer to the 20s age group range) don't have the income to spend 140 plus to just get in a park. So.......just relax and stop crying and put your milk bottles down and be patient for about 3 years while Magic Mountain pays down it's debt. So no, Mr. "EXPERT" magic mountain cannot invest even more multi million dollar rides when at some point (like now) they have to pay down tge massive debt they have or within the next 5 to 10 years, they will have to start selling off its parks to cover and pay off the debt. Or, we can go with your plan and get even more into debt just to have a few more years of excitement just to then have no magic mountain to visit in 10 years.
We must bring back Jim Reid Anderson to being the Six Flags CEO!
Love it how people with no business experience complain when, Magic Mountain doesn't add a new, 20 plus million coaster every year. Lol. The current, CEO was hired to help pay down, Magic Mountains MASSIVE DEBT. Magic Mountain has been trying to pay down it's debt since, 2009 when it went into bankruptcy. 2009, Magic Mountain was, 2.7 Billion in Debt. After bankruptcy, went down to 1.3 Billion. Since 2009, trying to pay down that 1.3 Billion in debt, Magic Mountain honestly hasn't really paid down the debt, they've just been paying on and really only paying down the interest payments since 2009. At some point, Magic Mountain has to start actually paying down the massive debt it has, or the majority share holders will end up selling the park to land/home developers that are already buying and building all around the park in Valencia right now. So for all of you, theme park "experts" if you want Magic Mountain to be around for another 50 years, they can't just always be in Billion dollar debts. Or.....pay triple the amount for park admission and don't complain about it and keep going while paying triple to get in. Disneyland and Calufornia adventure in Cali has such high park price admission because they build 100 plus million dollar themed rides. Typically, thrill ride coaster visitors don't have the income to spend 140 bucks on admission tickets like non thrill ride visitors do at Disneyland Parks. Thrill ride visitors guests are between the ages of, 24 to 34. Majority of people in this age group (closer to the 20s age group range) don't have the income to spend 140 plus to just get in a park. So.......just relax and stop crying and put your milk bottles down and be patient for about 3 years while Magic Mountain pays down it's debt. So no, Mr. "EXPERT" magic mountain cannot invest even more multi million dollar rides when at some point (like now) they have to pay down tge massive debt they have or within the next 5 to 10 years, they will have to start selling off its parks to cover and pay off the debt. Or, we can go with your plan and get even more into debt just to have a few more years of excitement just to then have no magic mountain to visit in 10 years.
I am super happy with my home park, Six Flags Magic Mountain but I do understand people frustration in smaller Six Flag markets. I think he is doing the RIGHT thing to focus on better technology. For too long Six Flags process for getting food etc has been like being at a park from 1990.
I was born and raised just 35 minutes from Six Flags Magic Mountain in Valencia and went on average, 4 times a year from age, 12 to 17. It was awesome. Haven't been since, 2004 though.
It’d be dope if six flags made a specific park called prototype Valley, and all they have are prototypes with a questionnaire after as to which rides they’d like to see in the real parks
… if you live to fill one out. 😂
I think Michigan’s Adventure Plan for Six Flags overall isn’t the greatest. Yeah, Magic Mountain can stand to just get beautification along with Great America, but other parks need replacement roller coasters and other rides. Six Flags Over Texas has a lot of rides nearing the end of their life like Judge Roy Scream or Titan. Both are requiring lots of maintenance to keep going. Hell, I never saw Judge Roy Scream open this year. You can’t just finally open Aquaman and call it a day. That’s not even getting to parks like Frontier City or Great Escape. If you want Universal prestige, you need to have that level of park and rides. If half your rides are going to fall apart in the next three years, you might have an issue, and no amount of better benches and trash cans are going to solve it.
Michigan’s Adventure?
This is like at the end of Roller Coaster Tycoon when you can’t take any more loan money out and you’re just spending your $184 on landscaping because you can’t afford a pizza stall.
@@1of8plusbillion Michigan's Adventure gets joked about getting a new trashcan every year. Or a bench. And then blowing their whole budget on a bench that prevents them from adding a new ride. The real reason is that they can only stay open a really short amount of time due to the shorter season in Michigan, and Cedar Fair just can't see spending lots of money on the park that probably has the most underdeveloped amount of land in the Cedar Fair chain at 250 acres with the park taking up a small amount of it. So if you ever see someone joking about Michigan Adventure, that's why. They did get some kid's rides in 2021 which was meant to open in 2020. During the recent Cedar Fair expansion announcements, Michigan Adventure got . . . an ad for a Frozen Coke at McDonalds.
They did take out several older rides at SF Discovery Kingdom in California,and put in the new Safari Sidewinder spinning mouse. But attendance is not that good and they have increased the price .
@@countofarcadia What do you mean shorter? Isn't it a typical seasonal park that's open from late May or Halloween with some gaps in between (such as weekends only to start and end the season)?
Six Flags not investing in roller coasters is like Microsoft neglecting to invest in software. It just doesn’t make any sense
Counter point: Theme Park enthusiasts who grew up during the Coaster Wars have unrealistic expectations of how often parks should receive major new attractions. That business model was proven to be unsustainable in the long run, because it required that companies carry massive amounts of debt for years on end. And then in 2008 and again in 2020, when revenue streams were interrupted, the debt became a dangerous liability.
That man will run the company into the ground, but he will somehow get plenty of chances along the way and never deliver on them. Have to love people who get to fail up.
You do realize the current CEOs job/orders from its board of directors and its majority shareholders are ordering him to start to pay down six flags MASSIVE 1 PLUS BILLION in debts now. Just before 2009, six flags had, 2.7 Billion in debts. After filling for bankruptcy in 2009, they had to still retain 1.3 Billion in debts. Since 2009, six flags hasn't paid down any of its debts, just added some more to it, only being able to afford to pay the interest on its debts.....you do know that businesses that are in the billion dollar plus debt range doesn't Stay in business long when it doesn't make an effort to pay down it's debts.....because banks will stop lending massive amounts of cash to six flags when it's obvious that six flags has no intention to pay down it's debts. What incentive do banks have to keep lending six flags cash to buy multi million dollar rides every year? Because this notion that six flags pays for its rides in cash and in one payment is so false. Rides that cost more than a few million dollars are all financed and not fully paid for up front. Six flags can only keep building multi million dollar rides every year, if it can keep boring hundreds of millions of dollars every year......banks have started to close its doors to six flags........next 3 years are going to be focused on making money now and paying down it's debts so in the next 5 to 7 years, six flags can start building massive and great rides again every year. From 1997 to 2004, six flags (especially magic mountain) was adding multi million dollar rides every year. At one year, 2003, Magic Mountain added 3 new rides that were all insanely expensive. Costing all on average, 15 to 20 million each. From 1993 to 2003, six flags added 1 billion dollars in new debt in just rides. Six flags is a business. Not a thrill ride charity.
Actually though, I'm cool with six flags, especially the "lower tier" parks fixing things, painting, paving, replacing rusty bars and fences, replacing, retracking, or RMCing old rough coasters, etc. hopefully helping them rise up from lower tier status.
I've already not renewed my Season Pass this year because of this, and I have had a season pass almost every year for the past 10 years and always buy a gold flash past for my group every visit. But this new development brought it to the end for me.
Love it how people with no business experience complain when, Magic Mountain doesn't add a new, 20 plus million coaster every year. Lol. The current, CEO was hired to help pay down, Magic Mountains MASSIVE DEBT. Magic Mountain has been trying to pay down it's debt since, 2009 when it went into bankruptcy. 2009, Magic Mountain was, 2.7 Billion in Debt. After bankruptcy, went down to 1.3 Billion. Since 2009, trying to pay down that 1.3 Billion in debt, Magic Mountain honestly hasn't really paid down the debt, they've just been paying on and really only paying down the interest payments since 2009. At some point, Magic Mountain has to start actually paying down the massive debt it has, or the majority share holders will end up selling the park to land/home developers that are already buying and building all around the park in Valencia right now. So for all of you, theme park "experts" if you want Magic Mountain to be around for another 50 years, they can't just always be in Billion dollar debts. Or.....pay triple the amount for park admission and don't complain about it and keep going while paying triple to get in. Disneyland and Calufornia adventure in Cali has such high park price admission because they build 100 plus million dollar themed rides. Typically, thrill ride coaster visitors don't have the income to spend 140 bucks on admission tickets like non thrill ride visitors do at Disneyland Parks. Thrill ride visitors guests are between the ages of, 24 to 34. Majority of people in this age group (closer to the 20s age group range) don't have the income to spend 140 plus to just get in a park. So.......just relax and stop crying and put your milk bottles down and be patient for about 3 years while Magic Mountain pays down it's debt. So no, Mr. "EXPERT" magic mountain cannot invest even more multi million dollar rides when at some point (like now) they have to pay down tge massive debt they have or within the next 5 to 10 years, they will have to start selling off its parks to cover and pay off the debt. Or, we can go with your plan and get even more into debt just to have a few more years of excitement just to then have no magic mountain to visit in 10 years.
@@nexpro6118 Try this again without all the self-rightous sarcasm at the end. It will make your arguments much more approachable.
@@danniboi187 self righteous to you because I explained something that is simple business theory and tactics and strategy? I mean, ok yeah, I'll admit I explained in a non 2nd grade explanation way, but can we act like an adult for a few minutes and not get butt hurt because you feel like you maybe missed the mark on not knowing this Information and your defense mechanism is to lash out with name calling to not feel so ignorant? Is that maybe it? Am I tracking?
@@nexpro6118 there were go again. Just explain it without all the attitude. You'll get a better reception.
@@danniboi187 kinda ironic how someone who uses name calling and sarcasm on someone is calling out someone who is doing the same thing. Lol irony, hypocrite, arrogance.....anything else I'm missing on describing you? Lol
I agree with what other have said if they aren’t adding rides at least add park upgrades and refurbishments.
Great America is actually my home park and if they were able to get American eagle to dual reliably again I would be so happy! Also I think great America could do better with advertising the park. I live in Chicago and have never seen one ad for it there. Chicago gets 55 million tourists a year and I doubt most of them know there’s a theme park about an hour north of it.
Oh, no. They are more concerned with ruining the Americana theme of the park by returning areas with poorly done DC decor (if you haven’t been in recent months…oh my what they did to the area around Batman is comically bad).
How to fix six flags:
1. fire selim
2. lower costs for tickets
3. manage the rides better
4. more rides either original or from one WB's IPs (i.e. Rick and Morty, Ed, Edd, n Eddy, RWBY, the monsterverse, etc)
5. have stuff promoting RWBY so RT can give us volume 9 faster(this is more of a personal thing)
You do realize the current CEOs job/orders from its board of directors and its majority shareholders are ordering him to start to pay down six flags MASSIVE 1 PLUS BILLION in debts now. Just before 2009, six flags had, 2.7 Billion in debts. After filling for bankruptcy in 2009, they had to still retain 1.3 Billion in debts. Since 2009, six flags hasn't paid down any of its debts, just added some more to it, only being able to afford to pay the interest on its debts.....you do know that businesses that are in the billion dollar plus debt range doesn't Stay in business long when it doesn't make an effort to pay down it's debts.....because banks will stop lending massive amounts of cash to six flags when it's obvious that six flags has no intention to pay down it's debts. What incentive do banks have to keep lending six flags cash to buy multi million dollar rides every year? Because this notion that six flags pays for its rides in cash and in one payment is so false. Rides that cost more than a few million dollars are all financed and not fully paid for up front. Six flags can only keep building multi million dollar rides every year, if it can keep boring hundreds of millions of dollars every year......banks have started to close its doors to six flags........next 3 years are going to be focused on making money now and paying down it's debts so in the next 5 to 7 years, six flags can start building massive and great rides again every year. From 1997 to 2004, six flags (especially magic mountain) was adding multi million dollar rides every year. At one year, 2003, Magic Mountain added 3 new rides that were all insanely expensive. Costing all on average, 15 to 20 million each. From 1993 to 2003, six flags added 1 billion dollars in new debt in just rides. Six flags is a business. Not a thrill ride charity. Your plan will just add even more debts. Here's some advise. Don't ever own your own business. You'll bankrupt your family. Lower admission costs on top of your ideas?????? Yeah, having to pay higher wages with minimum wages going up while at the same time, charging even less to get in. Charging small amounts for admission Draws in a demographic of people will less disposable income, which means they will spend even less while inside the park. How the hell are you going to make money? Also, these demographics brings in unruly crowds. Why do you think Disneyland parks never have guests safety issues with other guests???? Because this type type demographic of people can't afford Disneyland parks and Disney likes that.
Wait didn’t they just change there pass system and from what I heard is make it even more expensive? I hate this chain. There’s only pain
Yep. Fantastic solution after the piss poor quarter they just had…
Wow! The way you called out other channels with their “predictions/guarantees” but in a respectful way! Gain my sub and like! Great video and breakdown!
“Axis has Six Flags written all over it”
I mean, Axis backwards has the word Six in it, but other than that I didn’t even think back then that this would come to Six Flags before Cedar Fair.
I’d go with the SeaWorld parks. They have a massive track record with prototypes.
First B&M Hyper - Apollos
First Large scale dives machines.
Falcons fury drop tower prototype
First Surf Coaster.
And I think the Atlantis water coasters were the first of their kind.
Big Bad Wolf was the 2nd suspended arrow but was the first to consistently function.
Also the park said el toro is going to re open which great but please actually take good care of it
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I recognize the voice of Looping Thrills in many of those clips from prediction videos. His definitely seem to be shameless clickbait. This makes me glad that I shy away from prediction videos, but one of the very few I’ve made was almost correct so I’m mostly in the clear.
Facts
Six Flags Great America would have a ton more room if they built a parking garage...
We are going to Six Flags less often because the majority of the rides (and especially the rides that are open) are the crazy extreme roller coasters. We, and our children, don’t care for those. The nice, fun, enjoyable family rides are almost non-existent, or are always closed. We’re tired of paying good money only to find closed rides.
There’s a reason Disney is so popular without having crazy extreme rides.
Six Flags just doesn’t seem to get that concept!
I feel the same way..need more family rides to enjoy with the kids ...there is baby rides and roller coaster but not much to enjoy with let's say for kids ages 6 to 12 to enjoy or even for older kids that don't like roller coasters
i feel the opposite. i would rather ride a real ride than hug micky mouse
Six flags, especially Magic Mountain is not aimed towards majority of family style guests.....that's for Disneyland. Do people really think that six flags parks can become a family park and compete with Disney parks? Lmao good luck
Yeah I'm not too thrilled about Zambezi at WoF. I get it, it pays homage to the original (even though you can actually still ride it in Colombia where it was relocated) but still we should have gotten something more modern like a launch coaster. Sure this coaster will probably be great at first but like any other traditional woody it will be rougher than a old arrow coaster by it's 5th year. Granted it has Titan track in parts of the ride which is another thing that bothers me, I feel like that's lazy. Why not make the entire track Titan track?
But gci made it not dinn corp
@@staringcorgi6475 I know it's a gci. I'm not sure what you are getting at.
Honestly, Maxx Force hasn't had that many issues. Especially compared to other launch coasters like TTD. It's actually open most of the time, and with 2 trains the line actually moves pretty fast.
I totally agree with some of your other takes tho... There's literally nowhere to put an Axis coaster at Great America 🥴 and after DejaVu, the park has avoided prototypes. Maxx Force is nowhere near a prototype... It's literally at least the 3rd or 4th generation ride of it's type. Goliath and X-Flight were the *second* coaster of their type to be built. They learned their lesson when it comes to taking risks like that.
I’m praying the chain folds and their parks get sold off with Cedar Fair buying Great America. It’s located far enough from CP and VF that there would’ve be any competition concerns.
More than likely if the chain folded and the parks got sold they’d be sold to housing developers. Be careful what you wish for
That, plus they have the other Great America
I honestly think that your 100% right. All this speculation about Great America is bull as well. It's a great park the way it is but with all the violence and even the recent shooting that happened there, I think the park isn't gonna get anything. They instead are gonna focus on security and purging out any undesirable guests. Once they think they've done this, thats when the parks gonna get a new attraction but that won't be for a few years at least and if they do get a new ride, like you said it's probably gonna be a cheap RMC conversion of American Eagle.
Six flags should just merge with Disney and have miniature Disney parks spread all through America.
You implying that Disney wants anything to do with six flags parks? Lmao. No. Six flags filled bankruptcy in 2009 and still hasn't been able to pay down any of the 1 billion plus in debt it has. Before the bankruptcy, six flags was, 2.7 billion in debt. Lmao Disney is in the business of making money not collecting massive debts just to keep park attendance from slipping.
I do have a little bit of knowledge I can share on the topic. Great America is never getting a raptor and Eagle is not going to be RMCd. Buccaneer Battle all though listed as a temporary closure has been closed permanently to make way for a now scrapped large flat ride.
Thanks for sharing!
Idk how this chanel have that low subs 🤔 It should be around 100k even in such niche topic.
That would be pretty cool
Same
@@AttractionIdeas BTW i gonna be surprised if Six Flags Magic Mountain that easily give up his spot as a park with the most Rollercoasters in the World coz this year Energylandia (Zator, Poland) is getting their 18,19 ride, and also in mid to late 2023 they are getting a Vekoma Tilt Coaster as their 20 ride and likely they will be getting atleast 1 more rides for their 10th anniversary in 2024.
This is Indicative of the problems with current corporate America. As a CEO his soul job is to bring value to the shareholders today, make his objectives, make money today. He doesn’t care what happens to the parks five years from now, he probably won’t be there. So he’ll collective bonuses run the place into the ground, leave it in flames and move on to the next place and do the exact same thing… and no one in charge will care because they made money and worst case get a massive buyout by another company.
I remember when playing roller coaster tycoon and even in that computer game, after awhile people got tired of certain rides. So then if your space is limited, you have to start building new rides to keep people coming back. I remember many years ago, I was excited when six flags had a new ride. It's what gets you hyped up. I remember at Great America, when they built Hurricane Harbor, that was awesome. But to access Harbor, I believe you had to walk into the Six Flags park. The inconvenience is where you park your car because you would be walking a long way with your swim suite. And lockers, be ready to fork out like 15 or 20 dollars. I remember one time I wanted to go to Hurricane Harbor and ironically they were only open on weekends. It's great when parks offer options to ride roller coasters and water parks, but it's kind of hard to do both in one day and then having to carry everything with you. For how far people have to walk, at least some of these parks offer a shuttle or a bus. I don't recall six flags great america ever offering this as an option. As I get older, it's the long drive just to get to six flags that I don't look forward to. Then when all there is to do is go on rides, it's not what I'm into that much anymore. I prefer going to the shows etc or doing other activities that aren't just going on rides. The last time I went to great america was over 10 years ago. They are supposed to be the cleanest park and the parking lot after I left was just trashed. Then of course worse thing is to use their restrooms when it smells like a smoke house because designated smoking zones from what I remember were just outside of the restrooms. I just remember for freight fest the weather was so cold and I felt so lonely because I went by myself.
I swear Selim is running Six Flags like the only parks are Magic Mountain, Great Adventure, and Great America. Those are the only parks that really do have all the coasters they need and could use some beautification and family-friendly atmosphere improvements. Every Six Flags park is different and has different needs.
Six Flags is trying to mimic Disney’s recent consumer changes without the historic brand prestige that Disney has. Their audience also overlaps heavily with the same people who have already been priced out of Disney. This isn’t going to go well for Six Flags.
......what....lol. nobody can mimic Disney parks its why they are a massive money maker with its parks. What Disney parks spend in just landscaping costs every year, is more than what six flag parks make a year lmao
@@nexpro6118 That’s exactly my point…. 🤦♂️
Dead is Six Flags Magic Mountain, currently a low car count in the parking lot.
I hope that the park will not be torn down/removed and replaced with ugly houses/dwellings like the units above it!
Selim Bassoul is doing the Discount Chain Coaster Additions with the Cedar Fair/Seaworld pricing/ weird that both of those chains get more rides than Six Flags
Six Flags is going the way of Disney Parks. Putting cash over customers. Quantity over quality. It’s business decisions like this that lead to a theme/amusement park company going bankrupt and defunct.
except disney can charge anything they want, and people are dumb enough to pay it
......how.....Disney builds 100 plus million dollar rides/attractions all the time. Lol. Has the best restaurants in its parks and best shows......you really comparing the 2? Lmao. Disney also invests hundreds of millions in just ride theming.....six flags spends just penny's on this portion. Sig flags has a hard enough time just paying for the rides itself. Haha. Prior to 2009, six flags had 2.7 billion in debts. After filling bankruptcy in 2009, they still had to retain 1.3 billion in debts. It's now 2022 and six flags has yet to pay that down. Six flags barley covers/affords the interest payments on its debt. Lol.
@@nexpro6118 i still prefer six flags as im a ride person, this ceo will get canned
@@williamhaynes7089 but his job is to be more responsible with the cash flow to be able to finally have six flags start paying down it's massive debts. What do you want him to do? Add more debts to then have the majority shareholders force a sale?
@@nexpro6118 I think that keeping people on membership is way to go, You get a income weather or not people show up. The food pass was not good for profits so i understand getting rid of that.
I feel magic mountain is the favorite child of the six flags chain 😂🚨❗️
I'm glad I managed to go to my local one with a friend before all the stuff surrounding this nightmare scenario started taking place. It was also weirdly either a day before or the day el toro derailed and we missed it cause when we rode it it was completely fine but someone in the ride before of us had motion sickness of some kind and they had to wash out the ride car due to them vomiting in it which caused a slight delay of a few minutes. It was my first time there in over a decade and it was generally a good time.
The celebration music in the background is legitimately hilarious
Damn I wonder wtf would they do with all that space in Gurnee, IL once Six Flags closes??
Cedar Fair is grandfathered as an MLP. They are required to distribute their “distributable” cash to unit holders. So in order to keep more money invested in the business, they spend more on attractions in order to reduce distributable cash flow.
Six Flags is as much fun as a root canal and the new trajectory guarantees that just like the past 18 years I will be somewhere else with a smile. I have never left a park feeling so depressed like I have at six flags.....it made me feel poor cuz it was so busted.
Great video! I love that now we get some coaster community interaction.
Cedar point retired the dragster. Man there was nothing like the jet sound during the launch.
R.I.P. Six Flags
Odd. The SF website references annual memberships as THRILL SEEKER passes (Gold, Platinum, and Diamond).
Magic Mountain doesn't need new rides. In fact, I would be most happy if they didn't add anything new for the next decade and upgraded/refurbished their current rides. Simple changes that would make the rides far more enjoyable:
WCR: Take those god awful seatbelts out and replace them with either vests or regular lap seat belts.
Viper: Lap bars
X2: Fix the shaking for god's sake!
Riddler's Revenge: Sit down/floorless conversion. Ideally sit-down because we already have a floorless
Scream: Theme and landscape the ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everything else I would say is good for now. As for whatever their next ride would be, I would hope for an Apocalypse RMC or at least something to make that rough, forceless woodie worth waiting for.
I wouldn't mind holding off on a new ride for a year or two if they increased the theming of the parks. I mean, I doubt it's going to happen, but I can hope for better theming.
They really need to fix the looks of the six flags parks like maintaining rides so there not as rough . Also the looks of the parks like new coats of paint new path ways and stuff
Six flags Saint Louis hasn’t gotten a new coaster that wasn’t a transfer since 2008. You’re better off just going to Silver Dollar City. They are adding coasters left and right.
The best thing SF STL could do is RMC The Boss so it is no longer nicknamed “The Migraine.”
We're going into a massive recession when people are cutting cost.. Can't spend 25 million dollars on a roller coaster in a year when the public is gonna be spending less
This new ceo won’t be around too long . Hell be gone by the end of 2023 . You can’t just charge Disney prices at these parks . Six flags is gonna have to start either closing or selling parks pretty soon . This is not gonna end well .
I don't necessarily hope Selim is gone, but I do hope his new strategy is gone as soon as possible
You do realize the current CEOs job/orders from its board of directors and its majority shareholders are ordering him to start to pay down six flags MASSIVE 1 PLUS BILLION in debts now. Just before 2009, six flags had, 2.7 Billion in debts. After filling for bankruptcy in 2009, they had to still retain 1.3 Billion in debts. Since 2009, six flags hasn't paid down any of its debts, just added some more to it, only being able to afford to pay the interest on its debts.....you do know that businesses that are in the billion dollar plus debt range doesn't Stay in business long when it doesn't make an effort to pay down it's debts.....because banks will stop lending massive amounts of cash to six flags when it's obvious that six flags has no intention to pay down it's debts. What incentive do banks have to keep lending six flags cash to buy multi million dollar rides every year? Because this notion that six flags pays for its rides in cash and in one payment is so false. Rides that cost more than a few million dollars are all financed and not fully paid for up front. Six flags can only keep building multi million dollar rides every year, if it can keep boring hundreds of millions of dollars every year......banks have started to close its doors to six flags........next 3 years are going to be focused on making money now and paying down it's debts so in the next 5 to 7 years, six flags can start building massive and great rides again every year. From 1997 to 2004, six flags (especially magic mountain) was adding multi million dollar rides every year. At one year, 2003, Magic Mountain added 3 new rides that were all insanely expensive. Costing all on average, 15 to 20 million each. From 1993 to 2003, six flags added 1 billion dollars in new debt in just rides. Six flags is a business. Not a thrill ride charity.
The problem began when they tried to buy Cedar Fair and bought 5 parks.
Having just ridden steal curtain a few days ago, steel curtain is a darn good ride. I hope they can iron out the bugs.
Is that Movin Right Along from the Muppets instrumental in the background of your video? Aka the instrumental soundtrack from Muppets Courtyard at Hollywood Studios ? 😂
Yessir
@@AttractionIdeas I made a video about Muppet vision with the same background music on my channel lol
I honestly hate the new CEO he ruined six flags he ruined the rides, he ruined the season passes ( can't buy dining pass ), and he's so money hungry I can't anymore
Six Flags Great America is my home park and it desperately needs an elite coaster ( not happening, right ) . Maxx Force is always down is the real T. I'm bored with the park after 8 visits and nothing new on the horizon :( Maybe I won't invest in a season pass 2023. On a last note: How did this S.O.B of a CEO get the position? He must gooooooooo!
I agree I’ve been going to great America since I was 10 and the park always seemed to have a new ride every year or two. It keeps the locals coming back which should be the target audience. People won’t travel the across country/world for a six flags like they do for Disney/universal.
Six Flags has a dollar store CEO
B&M roller coasters are by far the most reliable
And expensive
Overwhelmed with Lawsuits, not like the good ole days.
The new CEO is only interested in lining his pocket... According to some patrons, many of the parks are starting to look ratty and unkempt, while competitor Cedar Fair keeps their holdings fresh and well maintained... What's going on here? Did the old dancing man finally keel over and die?
The Maxx Force ride honestly wasn't that great and mostly due to how short it is. Like yeah most coasters are short, but it felt like we were on it for like 30 seconds. That plus the 45 minute line was annoying.
Frankly, infrastructure is something more parks should focus on. It's ok adding coasters or attractions every year, but (at least on the last park days I had) finding ways around the park or things in them for customer comfort. I hope the idea of adjusting infrastructure for the next few years could indeed be a strategic move (especially as the major issue I keep hearing about SFMM is navigating it) to make space or sensible navigation issues FOR new attractions.
The idea of having everything controlled via app is the best move too. Seeing Flash Pass tags and suff was always concerning - with the idea they were going to fall off. As someone who wears a watch I also don't want to be in LA and have, say, a magic band (for Disney hotel access), a watch and a flash pass/queues jump wristband.
I don't think going "oh noes, no rides now" is the best option. If you don't agree with the moves being made, look at alternatives in your region. Let's be fair, most markets have at least one alternative to Six Flags parks. I definitely think it'll be worth watching them for the next few years before declaring Six Flags "dead" and claiming the CEO doesn't know anything - this could actually be a sensible move in the long run especially after the massive crash the hospitality industry has taken. Covid may be behind us but think of the hundreds of millions of dollars SF/CF and the like lost over that period...
The only non-ride thing I think would make the parks much better is landscaping an maintenance everywhere continuously all year... I haven't been to SFoT in ages but it's consistently glaring that theming is broken, dirty, or just gone because it is cheaper to not have a pool of water or to replace dead plants... or to pay someone to clean. That would help create a more "premium" experience like the CEO says he wants to do... and not require new rides.
Steel curtain is fine now it’s running almost every day to my knowledge so we can’t completely use the “operational issues” card for any year except 2021 and 2019.
At SOFT, they are concentrating on alcohol sales. They closed one restaurant and reopened as a bar and are expanding another bar.
I think Six Flags is just done for in general. The parks this season have been empty. Like Great Adventure, it's was generally a quite season for them especially in mid season where the park was relatively empty. A flag ship Six Flags park. Empty. Hersheypark this year was PACKED full most of the season this year and I can see why it was.
I think thy should just put it out of its misery!
@@jayo1212 lol they probably should. Just euthanize it
Well six flags should decrease prices and do something about all the parks
@@MrWaffles_YT lol that's the opposite of what this CEO is doing. He has raised prices to decrease the parks attendance so he can lay off 15 percent of staff
@@MrWaffles_YT How would decreasing prices help them?
Clean, paint, repair and upkeep rides, buildings, grounds and landscaping.
ANNND, better food
I literally live 5 Mins from Six Flags Great America and I have never been on Maxx Force. It’s always being worked on when I am there.
One thing I can't stand is old rides. Especially when they're not that good. I got a bad feeling six flags is going to neglect all the parks and try to Rob visitors for money.
You do realize the current CEOs job/orders from its board of directors and its majority shareholders are ordering him to start to pay down six flags MASSIVE 1 PLUS BILLION in debts now. Just before 2009, six flags had, 2.7 Billion in debts. After filling for bankruptcy in 2009, they had to still retain 1.3 Billion in debts. Since 2009, six flags hasn't paid down any of its debts, just added some more to it, only being able to afford to pay the interest on its debts.....you do know that businesses that are in the billion dollar plus debt range doesn't Stay in business long when it doesn't make an effort to pay down it's debts.....because banks will stop lending massive amounts of cash to six flags when it's obvious that six flags has no intention to pay down it's debts. What incentive do banks have to keep lending six flags cash to buy multi million dollar rides every year? Because this notion that six flags pays for its rides in cash and in one payment is so false. Rides that cost more than a few million dollars are all financed and not fully paid for up front. Six flags can only keep building multi million dollar rides every year, if it can keep boring hundreds of millions of dollars every year......banks have started to close its doors to six flags........next 3 years are going to be focused on making money now and paying down it's debts so in the next 5 to 7 years, six flags can start building massive and great rides again every year. From 1997 to 2004, six flags (especially magic mountain) was adding multi million dollar rides every year. At one year, 2003, Magic Mountain added 3 new rides that were all insanely expensive. Costing all on average, 15 to 20 million each. From 1993 to 2003, six flags added 1 billion dollars in new debt in just rides. Six flags is a business. Not a thrill ride charity.
@@nexpro6118 We'll said. And that why I'm glad there's competition. I probably won't be going back to sixflags.
@@deepatterson1835 but not continuing to visit sir flag parks while they are now paying down debts so that you can continue to visit a sir flag park 10 years from now just speeds up the down fall of sig flags because how can they pay down debts when guests stop visiting because of no new multi million dollar coaster every year.....not going anymore to one (as a fan that so many claim to be) these "fans" are putting six flags(especially magic mountain) to be sold off to land developers
@@nexpro6118 I'm a fan of RMC and intimatin if someone just had a giant lot with just those types of rides I will go. Just drop the sixflags name all together.
@@deepatterson1835 i get it, I think. Lol so you want a new branding change? Like a name make over? The 1.3 billion in current debt is its short term debt it's Long term debt is, 2.6 billion. Long term debt means, if six flags keeps going on its past/current track before the new CEO took over last year and it's current and past pace of new rides every year, a company can push out some debts over 10 years. So if six flags doesn't make any financial moves/ changes to start paying off its debts, in 10 years they will go from its 1.3 billion current debt to 2.6 billion in debts in just 10 years from now. So the Golden question is, what does the CEO do to honestly pay down this debt to not have to ve forced to sell from its share and stock holders. Six flags hasn't made net profit in years.
Penguin dark ride themed around Batman Returns would be awesome
7:30 Steel Curtain wasn't even a Prototype. It was a traditional looping coaster.
Also S&S has built launch coasters similar to Maxx Force in China before Maxx Force.
Nice take! Entertaining too. Might want to add disclaimer that you're not arguing or disputing or hating on other channels (Which I assume you arent)
this is all for fun speculation afterall right? and that sweet sweet ad revenue
I love this they want you to use your phone for all this stuff but how you going to get on the ride after you show your flash pass when you can't bring your phone with you
Since the new CEO has said he wants to appeal more to families, maybe he'll invest in family friendly/kiddy friendly rides.
Horrible idea. Being a family park is then now having to compete with Disney parks. Lol nobody can compete with Disney parks. Budgets and mindset are so high
Makes sense. Selim canceled the giga that was coming to great adventure in 2024 🤦♂️
Yeah not sure why those rumors got so much press lately. That project has probably been dead for months.
Shame too, cause a Giga would make Great Adventure’s lineup truly legendary
@@AttractionIdeas I work at great adventure, and it literally wasn't canceled until the park president was fired. They were clearing land for it when it was canceled.
@@alecvip7562 There was supposed to be a giga going there?
Watch as we get a barebones “celebration” for our 50th anniversary instead of a major coaster. I was hearing rumors about it and I was pretty excited to see what would happen. Now I’m not planning on continuing to go to the park or keeping my membership if Six Flags doesn’t invest in any major coasters. Hopefully either SF changes for the better by getting rid of Selim or other chains step in to purchase some parks
@@jerseydevil64 magic Mountain got a clone of Jersey Devil for their 50th anniversary and as a bonus a milestone 20th coaster.... not really worthy of either title, what are you expecting?.. hopefully you get to keep Toro for a 50th anniversary gift.
Someone obviously forgot the best six flags addition this century… PIRATES OF SPELUNKERS CAVE BABY!!!
That does look really cool not gonna lie
@@AttractionIdeas Half the effects didn't get past the fist month of operation sadly. I like the opening scenes, but once you get to the Speelunkers it's the worst case scenario for It's A Small World. Everybody in my party hated it, and I thought it was just okay.
Shame!
You don’t need to spend money for the sake of spending money. Liviathon and Behimith are still popular. But sadly there is no safety anymore for the safety strike. It be nice if they are back so they can maintain and old costers will eventually die like the mine buster.
I don't go to Six Flags to take my phone out every 5 minutes
3:03 me when I actually agree with selim
Yeah single rider lines sound great in theory, but I’m not sure exactly how effective they’ve been in practice. Haven’t really heard much about them so I’d have to test it out for myself.
Great America could get rid of the clunky and super old American eagle and have a TON of space for a new ride. Maybe two since AE is so big!
the theme park community don't mess around
“As the season comes to a close”. Can’t relate, I live near Magic Mountain
One thing I disagree with: Aquaman shall never open.
Honestly at this point I wouldn’t be surprised
If it doesn't its because SF is incompetent, the one in Belgium has been running for almost 5 years now
I would take an Axis anywhere because it looks so fun and different! 😈🤘
I still have to visit SixFlags this coming month, when the heat wave is done.
Actually Aquaman power splash was met for six flags Dubai years ago so that ride has been around for a long time but came out really sad.
Why put in new rides to break down, when you have the old rides breaking down.
Palace Entertainment bought Adventureland and I asked the Manager about the chances of Adventureland getting a Steel Curtain coaster and he laughed and said " Trust me, you don't want one of those here. Lots of troubles and headaches."
So, I can see S&S has not made fans at Palace.
I asked this because I was upset at the Flying Viking they are getting.
I was expecting better from Palace and I wanted to make sure I told him.
I have been going to Adventureland for 48 years and Palace needs to better than they have.
They have money to spend.
I feel that this title is four words too long.
Good one
still holding out for RMC american eagle. Could easily be better than steel vengeance