you were talking about using it for your aquaponics system im looking to do the same thing with the same pump. My question is what size solar panel are you using and the pump in the video runs on 2 amps will the solar panel be enough to keep the battery charged so the pump can run 24/7 in the aquaponics system?
+Dinsmore Outdoors So this is where proper planning ahead of time is critical. Your pump in an aquaponics system is essential to the whole thing running properly so you can't afford for it to be down. And you have a 24/7 load to deal with coupled with unpredictable weather where it could be cloudy or overcast for several days where your solar panels will not produce much power to charge the batteries. Without knowing where you live and being able to tell how much sun you will have access to, I would recommend 300-350 watts of solar panels and 200 amp hours of battery power (at least) for your system. Sure, a 2 amp load doesn't seem like much but when the sun only shines on average 4-5 hours per day your solar panels only have a limited amount of time to recharge the batteries and that is while the pump is sucking some of that power. This setup will give you 2 days of backup power for overcast situations. If you are going to be monitoring the system and switching over to a different source of power if the batteries run dry, you could get away with 100 amp hours of batteries and 280 watts of solar panels. That is the least you need to plan for. That should keep your pump running 24/7 as long as the sun shines each day.
I have this exact pump with a float switch to evacuate excavation holes. Powered by a deep cycle 12v battery with a 2.4W solar maintainer on the battery, I have 24 hours on the hour meter (installed after the switch) no problems yet.
The wonder of automation is the panel just maintains the charge unless it rains, then the pump turns on evacuates the hole, and goes back to charging. Elegance in simplicity. Previously I had to wait for the rain to stop and bring gas powered pumps to a site, or a syphon hose and drain any water every time it rained witch could take all day depending on where the job was located, now we bring a solar automatic pump and leave a sump in the excavation and if it rains you just wait a day and when you arrive the site is already free of water.
Yes. You need a charge controller and battery to make this work unless you know a lot about electronics and can regulate the voltage yourself. The problem is your solar panel outputs ~17V and your pump is only designed for 12V. So you need a buffer in between that can change the voltage for you. The best way to do this is to use a charge controller and battery because it will also serve the benefit of preventing any disruptions due to the sun going behind clouds or the angle of the sun being off, etc. In short, you need solar panel->charge controller->battery->pump.
No, I haven't. There would be quite a few variables, though. So I am not sure how helpful that would be for you. Unless you had the exact same solar panel, pump, and battery.
@LDSreliance working on making a live well to keep bait alive the 5 watt panel i have on it does not keep up with the demand 750gph pump 12v 9amp battery trying to figure what voltage panel i would need to run it for a full day of fishing
Yeah 5W will maybe make 3W. That kind of panel would only really be useful to keep a lead acid battery topped off on a charge between uses. To fully recharge that battery, that panel would have to be in direct sun for 36 hours straight, give or take. I would recommend at least a 50W panel. But it would also depend on how long you are on the water and other factors.
Can I use them for a chiseled water wall, 7 feet high 3 feet wide, 2 hours a day running? How much life can I expect? My water is not salty and is drinkable. Please tell.
I’m sure you’ve covered this topic before (so please link me a video or bear with me) what would I need to run this on my Jon boat all day? I want to build a solar set up (Arizona gets HOTTTT) where it charges/runs my bulge pump all day and can run it at night when sun is down? I do have limitation on where I can place it (the panel in the video looks HUGE for my application. Realistically speaking, I have about about 12”x8” flat area that I can mount a panel to. Lastly, would I be able to stand on one? If not, my useable area would decrease to about a 6”x6” area. LITERALLY any information would be much appreciated. Love the channel, I am subbed now! :)
Thanks for the sub! Unfortunately, running a motor like this, even thought it is small, around the clock requires a massive amount of solar power. And it sounds like you are already limited for space. If the pump can run for a few seconds or a minute and then shut off for a while that would be ideal. Then you could get away with a small panel and battery. I used a large one in the video because that is what I had for demo purposes.
we ran the exact pump straight off a 21v 60watt panel. maybe did 50 hours work so far and seems to last no problem. no battery or solar charge controller used.straight from panel at 21v
That reminds me, i know some people that lives in the field here. where there is no really good electricity and the distances are really really big. they have a pump to get water for the animals from under the earth. but sometimes they have no wind and they need to use a fuel based pump. and getting fuel is more troublesome than electricity but they can't rely much on it and the distance would be too much. so i was thinking on building them a small pump with a battery/charger/panel system. i'm not sure of the cost and reliability though. (also nice that you have fun doing the videos, i like em)
Jerónimo Barraco Mármol You could run a pump like this one on a battery for light duty use like this for a few days I would bet. The only problem is I think this pump can only pump about 50 feet up in the air. If the well is very deep (some can be hundreds of feet or even a thousand feet deep) then you would need a much more powerful pump. It is definitely do-able and probably one of the more easy projects that you could start out doing for someone. We just need to know how deep the well is so we know what kind of pump we need and then we can go from there.
Yes i am worried about the needed hp of the pump (and its price) also for the electrical power it will consume. it will be running 1 or 2 hours a day , so i think the sun can power it with a notsobig panel. thanks for the info.
Also while connecting, do I connect in this order? Solar panel to Charge controller Battery to Charge controller Bilge Pump to On/off switch to charge controller Is there anything missing? Does that sound accurate?
Yes, that will work perfect. The charge controller will be able to protect your battery from over discharging in that setup in case you forget to switch off the pump.
So you showed that a battery powered pump will actually work off of a battery? I like your channel, but this was not educational or informative (that I can see) in any way. What did I miss?
Absolom Madhaka It depends on how deep the well is. If you are talking about a normal well that is 100+ feet then no. You would need a much stronger pump to do that.
Mr. Madhaka there are two ways a pump can get water up, either by suction or pressure. Suction "lift" is limited in ALL pumps, water can only be lifted so far. The next type is pressure. Assuming zero lift the issue becomes "head" which is how we talk about how high a pump can raise the water. Most all bilge pumps are designed for large "volume" as opposed to "pressure". I do mean opposed. High volume pumps are usually low pressure, and high pressure pumps are usually low volume. Most bilge pump manufacturers would be able to provide specs on "head" (remember that submersibles are not designed to lift) To answer the question directly, and sorry for being late, this pump could probably raise water 5-8ft. I do not know if it could even make 1-3 PSI at that level though. Good luck in your pumping.
So I have decided to build a battery bank to run my 12v Rule non-auto bilge pump for my small pond and have purchased the following: Solar panel - Charge controller - 12v Rule Bilge Pump - Bilge pump on/off switch - 12v automotive battery (used). For the cables I have taken your advice from your other video and will be using welding cable to connect the battery and THHN wire to connect the panel and pump to the charge controller. By having the bilge pump on/off switch connected. Does that allow me to switch off the pump with the push of a button? If yes, would the panel then still be charging the battery and potentially overcharge? Or does the charge controller, stop the charging process when the battery is at 100%? These are the products I bought, let me know your thoughts: Rule Bilge Pump 12v www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000O8B7VO/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1477263186&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=rule+bilge+pump&dpPl=1&dpID=419Z6n1B8dL&ref=plSrch Charge Controller www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B018ICLC3K/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1477263444&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=mohoo+charge+controller&dpPl=1&dpID=51WLsgE4UML&ref=plSrch Bilge Pump 3-way Switch www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004UOTQRU/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1477263313&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=bilge+pump+3+way+switch&dpPl=1&dpID=41te7JQy4hL&ref=plSrch
The switch will turn on and off your load (pump) but will not do anything for the rest of the equipment. In other words, your solar panel will still charge the batteries through the charge controller. The charge controller's whole job is to monitor the charge status of the battery and make adjustments to charge it properly and then either shut off the charging or switch to a float charge when the battery reaches maximum voltage. There is no risk of overcharge with a charge controller.
I have tested one of these pumps for the last month, 8 hours a day on a solar panel, it leaked in less than a month. the seals for the power cables and the seal for the impeller drive shaft are woefully inadequate for salt conditions. not worth buying. look for a brushless option with no direct drive.
Can I use them for a chiseled water wall, 7 feet high 3 feet wide, 2 hours a day running? How much life can I expect? My water is not salty and is drinkable. Please tell.
@@green_life7 mine lasted 30 days running 8 hours a day, the seals failed and filled with water. these are not good pumps for anything. you want to find a Magnetic Drive Pump. that way water CANNOT get into any shaft.
It isn't that simple. Some devices require extra current to get started even though their running consumption is within the range of a solar panel. Some devices can't handle a fluctuating voltage. And some 12v DC devices can't handle a direct connection to a solar panel because a 12v panel will actually produce 16-17v and the device won't accept that higher voltage.
you were talking about using it for your aquaponics system im looking to do the same thing with the same pump. My question is what size solar panel are you using and the pump in the video runs on 2 amps will the solar panel be enough to keep the battery charged so the pump can run 24/7 in the aquaponics system?
+Dinsmore Outdoors So this is where proper planning ahead of time is critical. Your pump in an aquaponics system is essential to the whole thing running properly so you can't afford for it to be down. And you have a 24/7 load to deal with coupled with unpredictable weather where it could be cloudy or overcast for several days where your solar panels will not produce much power to charge the batteries.
Without knowing where you live and being able to tell how much sun you will have access to, I would recommend 300-350 watts of solar panels and 200 amp hours of battery power (at least) for your system. Sure, a 2 amp load doesn't seem like much but when the sun only shines on average 4-5 hours per day your solar panels only have a limited amount of time to recharge the batteries and that is while the pump is sucking some of that power. This setup will give you 2 days of backup power for overcast situations.
If you are going to be monitoring the system and switching over to a different source of power if the batteries run dry, you could get away with 100 amp hours of batteries and 280 watts of solar panels. That is the least you need to plan for. That should keep your pump running 24/7 as long as the sun shines each day.
I have this exact pump with a float switch to evacuate excavation holes.
Powered by a deep cycle 12v battery with a 2.4W solar maintainer on the battery, I have 24 hours on the hour meter (installed after the switch) no problems yet.
Sweet. Sounds like you don't need to use it every day so that small solar panel should work great. That is a great use for solar!
The wonder of automation is the panel just maintains the charge unless it rains, then the pump turns on evacuates the hole, and goes back to charging. Elegance in simplicity.
Previously I had to wait for the rain to stop and bring gas powered pumps to a site, or a syphon hose and drain any water every time it rained witch could take all day depending on where the job was located, now we bring a solar automatic pump and leave a sump in the excavation and if it rains you just wait a day and when you arrive the site is already free of water.
Like I said, great use for solar. I like it. This should be a case study for how to effectively use solar to solve a problem.
Can it be completely submerged
Yes.
Can u explain what all you have hooked up to it to make it work? I have same pump and solar panel but my pump won’t run off the panel….
Yes. You need a charge controller and battery to make this work unless you know a lot about electronics and can regulate the voltage yourself. The problem is your solar panel outputs ~17V and your pump is only designed for 12V. So you need a buffer in between that can change the voltage for you. The best way to do this is to use a charge controller and battery because it will also serve the benefit of preventing any disruptions due to the sun going behind clouds or the angle of the sun being off, etc.
In short, you need solar panel->charge controller->battery->pump.
Have you tested how long you can run a bilge pump off the 12 volt battery while being charged by the panel
No, I haven't. There would be quite a few variables, though. So I am not sure how helpful that would be for you. Unless you had the exact same solar panel, pump, and battery.
@LDSreliance working on making a live well to keep bait alive the 5 watt panel i have on it does not keep up with the demand 750gph pump 12v 9amp battery trying to figure what voltage panel i would need to run it for a full day of fishing
Yeah 5W will maybe make 3W. That kind of panel would only really be useful to keep a lead acid battery topped off on a charge between uses. To fully recharge that battery, that panel would have to be in direct sun for 36 hours straight, give or take.
I would recommend at least a 50W panel. But it would also depend on how long you are on the water and other factors.
Are t you only supposed to run these with water to cool the thing?
Yes, under normal use the pump should be submerged.
What size solar panel would I need to run a 500 gallon GPH pump direct current?
To run it directly like in the video? Or with a full solar system?
@@LDSreliance like the video, direct current from the solar panel to the pump
I know that a battery should be put in the circuit to keep power when clouds go over.
It seems like a pump of that size uses 30-40W. So I would say a minimum of a 60W solar panel.
Can I use them for a chiseled water wall, 7 feet high 3 feet wide, 2 hours a day running?
How much life can I expect? My water is not salty and is drinkable. Please tell.
I don't know what that is. And I'm not an expert on bilge pumps. This was just an experiment to see if it would run on solar.
I’m sure you’ve covered this topic before (so please link me a video or bear with me) what would I need to run this on my Jon boat all day? I want to build a solar set up (Arizona gets HOTTTT) where it charges/runs my bulge pump all day and can run it at night when sun is down? I do have limitation on where I can place it (the panel in the video looks HUGE for my application. Realistically speaking, I have about about 12”x8” flat area that I can mount a panel to. Lastly, would I be able to stand on one? If not, my useable area would decrease to about a 6”x6” area. LITERALLY any information would be much appreciated. Love the channel, I am subbed now! :)
Thanks for the sub! Unfortunately, running a motor like this, even thought it is small, around the clock requires a massive amount of solar power. And it sounds like you are already limited for space. If the pump can run for a few seconds or a minute and then shut off for a while that would be ideal. Then you could get away with a small panel and battery. I used a large one in the video because that is what I had for demo purposes.
we ran the exact pump straight off a 21v 60watt panel. maybe did 50 hours work so far and seems to last no problem. no battery or solar charge controller used.straight from panel at 21v
It might be just fine long term. But most 12V DC devices are not going to like seeing 17+ volts without a shortened life.
@@LDSreliance 2 years old now and would of done 1000 plus hours. still going fine @21volts..
Can I use a 5w solar panel with the bilge pump?
No, the pump consumes more than that.
@@LDSreliance how many watts does the solar need at least?
That reminds me, i know some people that lives in the field here. where there is no really good electricity and the distances are really really big.
they have a pump to get water for the animals from under the earth. but sometimes they have no wind and they need to use a fuel based pump. and getting fuel is more troublesome than electricity but they can't rely much on it and the distance would be too much.
so i was thinking on building them a small pump with a battery/charger/panel system.
i'm not sure of the cost and reliability though.
(also nice that you have fun doing the videos, i like em)
Jerónimo Barraco Mármol You could run a pump like this one on a battery for light duty use like this for a few days I would bet. The only problem is I think this pump can only pump about 50 feet up in the air. If the well is very deep (some can be hundreds of feet or even a thousand feet deep) then you would need a much more powerful pump.
It is definitely do-able and probably one of the more easy projects that you could start out doing for someone. We just need to know how deep the well is so we know what kind of pump we need and then we can go from there.
Yes i am worried about the needed hp of the pump (and its price) also for the electrical power it will consume. it will be running 1 or 2 hours a day , so i think the sun can power it with a notsobig panel. thanks for the info.
Also while connecting, do I connect in this order?
Solar panel to Charge controller
Battery to Charge controller
Bilge Pump to On/off switch to charge controller
Is there anything missing? Does that sound accurate?
Yes, that will work perfect. The charge controller will be able to protect your battery from over discharging in that setup in case you forget to switch off the pump.
So you showed that a battery powered pump will actually work off of a battery? I like your channel, but this was not educational or informative (that I can see) in any way. What did I miss?
Good way to use on a boat because sometimes the float switches can get stuck and the pump will drain the battery
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Yeah good point!
So ca I have solar panel then charge controller then pump
Yes, the charge controller can run the pump off of the load terminals if the pump is DC.
how many watts does it consume?
2 Amps or 24 Watts.
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THank you I purchased 1100GPH version and consumes from 6 to 7AMPs. I have another one 3500GPH and should consume around 12A DC.
Nice. Those are obviously much more powerful than this little pump that I bought just for demonstration purposes.
@@porrascarlos80but it says 12v, 3 A that makes it 36watts only.
sir can this draw water from a well to a tank to surface level
Absolom Madhaka It depends on how deep the well is. If you are talking about a normal well that is 100+ feet then no. You would need a much stronger pump to do that.
Mr. Madhaka there are two ways a pump can get water up, either by suction or pressure. Suction "lift" is limited in ALL pumps, water can only be lifted so far.
The next type is pressure. Assuming zero lift the issue becomes "head" which is how we talk about how high a pump can raise the water.
Most all bilge pumps are designed for large "volume" as opposed to "pressure". I do mean opposed. High volume pumps are usually low pressure, and high pressure pumps are usually low volume.
Most bilge pump manufacturers would be able to provide specs on "head" (remember that submersibles are not designed to lift)
To answer the question directly, and sorry for being late, this pump could probably raise water 5-8ft. I do not know if it could even make 1-3 PSI at that level though.
Good luck in your pumping.
Bananascentral That is a great explanation. Thanks!
So I have decided to build a battery bank to run my 12v Rule non-auto bilge pump for my small pond and have purchased the following:
Solar panel - Charge controller - 12v Rule Bilge Pump - Bilge pump on/off switch - 12v automotive battery (used).
For the cables I have taken your advice from your other video and will be using welding cable to connect the battery and THHN wire to connect the panel and pump to the charge controller.
By having the bilge pump on/off switch connected. Does that allow me to switch off the pump with the push of a button? If yes, would the panel then still be charging the battery and potentially overcharge? Or does the charge controller, stop the charging process when the battery is at 100%?
These are the products I bought, let me know your thoughts:
Rule Bilge Pump 12v
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000O8B7VO/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1477263186&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=rule+bilge+pump&dpPl=1&dpID=419Z6n1B8dL&ref=plSrch
Charge Controller
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B018ICLC3K/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1477263444&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=mohoo+charge+controller&dpPl=1&dpID=51WLsgE4UML&ref=plSrch
Bilge Pump 3-way Switch
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004UOTQRU/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1477263313&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=bilge+pump+3+way+switch&dpPl=1&dpID=41te7JQy4hL&ref=plSrch
The switch will turn on and off your load (pump) but will not do anything for the rest of the equipment. In other words, your solar panel will still charge the batteries through the charge controller. The charge controller's whole job is to monitor the charge status of the battery and make adjustments to charge it properly and then either shut off the charging or switch to a float charge when the battery reaches maximum voltage. There is no risk of overcharge with a charge controller.
I have tested one of these pumps for the last month, 8 hours a day on a solar panel, it leaked in less than a month.
the seals for the power cables and the seal for the impeller drive shaft are woefully inadequate for salt conditions.
not worth buying. look for a brushless option with no direct drive.
Can I use them for a chiseled water wall, 7 feet high 3 feet wide, 2 hours a day running?
How much life can I expect? My water is not salty and is drinkable. Please tell.
@@green_life7 mine lasted 30 days running 8 hours a day, the seals failed and filled with water. these are not good pumps for anything. you want to find a Magnetic Drive Pump. that way water CANNOT get into any shaft.
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Volts x Amps is what matters not solar panels...
It isn't that simple. Some devices require extra current to get started
even though their running consumption is within the range of a solar
panel. Some devices can't handle a fluctuating voltage. And some 12v
DC devices can't handle a direct connection to a solar panel because a
12v panel will actually produce 16-17v and the device won't accept that
higher voltage.
Can