The Rumbling song won like 2 awards lol tf.. i was hoping Ranking of Kings would win the opening song Since they remove best boy and replace it with must protect so Anya can win
My thoughts exactly. I do think Attack on Titan is perfectly rated, but I still don't think it should have won all of those categories, and I DEFINITELY don't think it should have been nominated for half of those categories. Also, Demon Slayer for Best Fantasy? Fucking really? Guys gorgeously swinging swords at demons is fucking Best Fantasy material now? Ridiculous.
@@OhTaco77 Like a half dozen people I know saw Naked Hero pop up among their most played YT videos of the last year. Nobody mentioned to me Rumbling being up there. Cmon, people.
It's like if one year at the Grammy's "Now That's What I Call Music 169" swept every single category. The same 3-5 anime were nominated for every single award. Some were nominated in the same category twice. It's hard to get mad at the winners when the nominations are such a joke.
If you look back at the nominees, the same 5 anime are in every category, with one rando thrown in if you're lucky. At least a hundred anime came out last year, but if you just looked at the nominees you'd think there were only a dozen.
Made in Abyss got done so dirty. I already knew it was going to be bad when it wasnt even nominated for AOTY, but i thought to myself that it would at least win either best Fantasy or Best Score if not both, but then not only loosing both, but also loosing against Demon Slayer in best Fantasy is unbelievable.
"Now, Edgerunners had Rebecca but she did not even won best supporting cast over Spy Family's Anya-" *PAUSES* HOW DID A MAIN CHARACTER WIN BEST SUPPORTING CHARACTER?
@@NeostormXLMAX Yeah...in 2015 The Witcher 3 lost an award and they gave the award to some Live Action indie game that no one played it. In 2016...The GOTY was Overwatch...a game with *NO* story. It was just a Hero Team Based Arena Shooter.
@@azumag4432 "It is Anya who now enjoys her new exciting life. Loid and Yor are just the source for that excitement." You cna spin that stuff around however you like. Point is, Anya and Loid both have episodes not focusing on Stryx itself or the other character. In fact Anya tries more on-screen stuff for the mission than the other way around. Anya is as much of a protagonist as Loid as we see around the same amount of stuff through her eyes as we see it through his.
@@GameBreaker1055 You can have a MC with less screen time than other characters. Anya helps -her father- Loid with his mission. The main plot of this anime is the Spy part and not the Family part from "Spy X Family"...even if this anime is more "family" (slice of life).
Crunchyroll’s award ceremony has the exact opposite problem that the Oscars have. The Oscars seem to go out of their way to give awards to films that the vast majority of the general audiences didn’t actually watch, unless it comes to animation, ironically enough. The Crunchyroll awards is not just a popularity contest, but it’s a popularity contest that often times won’t even let you vote for a show you personally thought was underrated. Maybe it’s just me, but giving an award to extremely mainstream Shonen battle anime that gets a release every year seems completely unnecessary.
Funny part is that the oscars animation category is fucked. Anyone voting in the academy can vote for animation, even if they have nothing to do with animation and even if they've never seen all the movies. Often the reason something popular wins in animation is because the majority of people voting are only voting because it's something they saw with their kid and they openly admit it. That's why pixar/disney movies generally win if they are included. This isn't how any other category works for voting in the Oscars.
Well part of the point of the oscars is to promote artistic films others passed over and often what is popularly watched is not at all the best thing released. The problem with the oscars is the awards that are given as more or less apologies for former snubs or if they feel the director/screenwriter/cinematographer/composer/actor/actress is deserving due to their body of work rather than the movie itself. Obscure picks isn’t the problem, it’s external industry history that’s the problem. (Also yeah the complete disrespect for animation goes without saying)
Not really. It just so happens that general audiences and Oscar audiences are on different wavelengths. Back in the 70s popularity and Oscar winners went hand in hand
I'm so glad the same five anime that were nominated in every single category swept the awards. Can't be letting the dozens of other anime that weren't even nominated getting their hopes up.
I was a juror for the reddit awards, I was in the catagories for Romance and Opening, and I have some additional perspetive regarding your point about the anime of the year not being reflected in the other catagories. The jurors for the catagories are different, the slice of life genre jury and the AOTY jury had completely different judges, and the same is applied to the entire awards show. There is a degree of influence, but for the most part the results are determined by their own jury and no one else. Most of us had no idea who the winners were outside of their respective catagories, and instead focused on our own. In addtion, every show had a write up on the website regarding it's placement, you asked why Next Summit won, and there is a literal description that tells you why that desicion was reached. there is not only winners here, every catagory had every nominee ranked, so there is a difference between the 2nd best, 3rd best, etc., and not just a Winner and the Runner Ups. I feel like the rankings and descriptions are a major appeal of Reddit's awards compared to others, as we gvie the readers the reasons why the conclusisons were reached each step of the way. You seem like this was a major issue for you, and there is an answer to your questions on the same place where the awards were presented. I feel like it is a disservice to disregard this element of the awards when it directly applies to your critisisms.
This happens a lot with awards shows, I noticed it with the game awards in the past. They figure out the 'anime/game of the year' and then all the other category winners are actually 2nd place in their category. It's done to avoid having 1 thing win every award and be dull.
To explain the /r/anime process more, each category is judged by a different group of people. So the people giving best SoL to another series are not the same people gave Yama no Susume AOTY. It's a bit silly when you break it down the way you did for sure, but that's why it happened.
@@VariisNailo It is. I have had issues with the way they run it for years, and have been in arguments with the people running it over it as well, but it is what it is. That's how they wanna do it.
@@VariisNailo I mean, it'd suck for the people on the SoL jury if they had to make Yama no Susume their winner just because the AOTY jury gave it their win. That's no fun for them if they think something else is better.
@@ShadeXH yes that would suck, but that isn’t even remotely what either of us were thinking of… IMO if they are going to split the awards categories between different judges that’s fine but only for awards that revolve around specific genres (or niches), basically the judges for awards relating to a specific genre (or niche) should actually be people who watch and enjoy anime from said genre (or niche). However more general awards (anime of the year, best voice actor, best opening, etc.) should include the judges from all award categories as these awards involve anime from all genres.
@@VariisNailo This is already the case. Jurors in AOTY are often in genre, character, and/or production categories as well. And yeah, jurors in the genre categories are fans of that specific genre, otherwise they wouldn't agree to be a part of them. There just isn't perfect overlap. While someone in SoL might also be in AOTY and love Yama no Susume, it doesn't mean the rest of the SoL jury loves it as much as they, or the rest of AOTY, do.
Tristian: why on earth did the judges only give their anime of the year two awards Also Tristan (every year in his Crunchyroll voting video): Even though I think another show did it better I’m going to vote for something else because I can only once per show for some reason
Maybe the anime of the year should have like a weighed voting where you can vote for up to three and give out a gold silver bronze. I personally probably have a different problem that I dont watch most of the anime that gets nominated so since Spy x Family was one of the only things I watched that got nominated it was almost the only I vote for.
Definitely understand the perspective here about r/anime's AOTY and other categories not often matching up. One aspect that may be overlooked is that each category consists of different jurors - there may be some cross over, but rarely are the same jurors in more than say 3 categories (in my case I ended up in a few more but I also have been doing this for years). AOTY also happens at the same time as all the other categories, so we don't get an influence from what wins other ones until they are all announced at the end (after we have already voted). So that system would have to change significantly if that were the case. Slice of Life is an example too though of different juries resulting in different results, where Akebi-chan won in place of Yama no Susume (which personally I would have swapped the position with). Just a factor of how it works. At the end of the day, the main goal with the jury is to have the perspective of people who are required to experience all these shows, and it often results in some diverse nominees that you may not have even heard of. If you are able to take them away as recommendations, then we have already succeeded.
different take from a layman here: Imo, it is perfectly fine for a work to be labelled 'overall best' even when it's individual elements are each outdone by other works. Many artforms bring together multiple aspects and elements and anime is a perfect example of art that is comprised of many different factors. An artwork can be 'just fine' in many regards but the sum of it's parts can still elevate it above the parts themselves. This is just a theoretical PoV I'm bringing to the table here. I haven't watched the climbing anime and Bocchi is definitely my favourite of the year. Just trying to state why I don't think having an anime be AOTY, while not winning other categories, is egregious.
The full quote is “A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.” Leaving out the "oftentimes better than a master of one" portion of the quote has a certain irony given the stance taken in the argument.
Yeah kinda weird when there are no master of one, just 3 masters of many. I'm gonna steal this from a guy above as well, aoty and "best new anime" should at least be the same in this case. How does edgerunner lose "best new anime" when it wins "best anime", while "best new anime" is just a subset of "best anime"? It's not like "best action anime" where people vote purely for the action portion, "new anime" implies a general rating similar to "best anime"
"Jack of all trades" is from the 1600s, "master of none" was added in the 1700s, presumably by a master of one... The last bit is a modern (i.e. 21st century) American addition not present in any other English-as-a-First-Language country, although I guess it's probably leaked to Canada by now.
I would be interested to know how many people just vote for the best of year and nothing else. that would explain why edge runners only Won that, especially because it seemed to break into the main stream somewhat.
I find Anime trending awards to be quite noteworthy, as a lot of the people who usually vote in the awards come from Asia, so the winners usually reflect the preferences of the anime community in Asia compared to the west.
Awards should be done in the fashion of Cinefix's top 10 lists, where they carefully explain WHY a certain movie excels in its category so even if you disagree you can still understand what they mean.
I can agree to an extent. But then the r/anime awards, and especially the Anime Trending Awards, have diverse results and representativity across many anime
out of all of the fantasy anime's Demon Slayer not only got Nominated but WON the fantasy category, if that doesn't scream "somethings wrong here" idk what does
The statistically depressing thing about the CR Awards is that it has 22 categories, and of those, 3 shows accounted for 16 of those awards. Of the other 6, only Edgerunners won two, everything else won one, and that was Edgerunners, One Piece, Jujutsu Kaisen, Lycoris Recoil, and Kaguya. Possibly the 5 most predictable possible results to get any award at all besides the 3 sweepers.
an anime winning best of the year but not showing up anywhere else in any other category, stinks of "we gave this best anime to make ourselves look smart and refined."
If you are referring to Yama no Susume, it actually did place well in other categories. One aspect people may not realize is that due to the amount of work that goes into the awards each year, there are different jurors for each category. So if something wins in one category, that jury may not have it as high in another. AOTY is evidently the most "significant" for those watching, but it is nigh impossible to have the same sort of analysis and discussion done with 100+ people for hundreds of shows without resulting in simply being a popularity contest in the end.
Now you know how it feels for us Europeans whenever there's some kind of live stream event happening in NA. Usually on the west coast and usually in the middle of the night for us. This time the crunchyroll awards happened at a reasonable time at like 11 am or something. Wouldn't have known it was streaming unless Gigguk hadn't been restreaming it though.
i think having the crunchyroll awards use a system which lets you vote more than once, really breaks the accuracy behind the votes. it should be locked to once only, otherwise people can come back time and time again and vote the same shows to bump the votes up on it. or vote for every show each time which defeats the point of there being a choice and a winner. i know why they do it, because it sounds more impressive to say theres 18 million votes, rather than 1 million people (who vote 18 times) . i voted once because its for an award, not all of them can be winners, even though sometimes i wish they could be, it means that the votes i cast are thought out, and meaningful. thats how i feel about it all. the award show itself was very nicely presented, but i find it strange that the voice actor awards were just a bookend at the beginning of the live awards, not included in the ceremony, seems a bit of a snub imo. but otherwise a nice show, i enjoyed watching it, i would hope they can do more to help the translator in future as i think listening and talking over another language etc is arduous, i guess its due to being live. maybe they could do it pre recorded by like a couple hours time difference, just to get the translation recorded, making it easier for all
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 I mean, the fact that Demon Slayer has Vampires with crazy abilities and Superhuman Samurais is the reason that it landed in the Fantasy Category. But I agree, the Fantasy Category is the Isekai category, an Isekai should've won that award.
@@martinaguiluz4063 With that Logic you would have been able to put any show into the Fantasy category. What about Jojo with their crazy as Stand powers fighting an overpowered vampire? What about Attack on Titan, where People get transformed into giant beasts and people get powers making them able to transform into said beasts with special abilities. Animes have fantastic elements that ofcourse are unrealistic, but that doesn’t make a Fantasy. If an anime should have won the fantasy category, it should have been Made in Abyss.
I always wonder why the Love Live franchise is always locked out of these despite its popularity. Crunchyroll's never so much as nominated any season or movie for anything, and a lot of other award shows, both fan and industry, tend to do the same.
I don't have a problem with anime of the year not getting other awards. I think something being the best as a whole is quite different to specific parts of it being the best, and probably would (and should) be weighted towards being something new or a bit different from the norm, an attribute that would be difficult to have an award for.
As much as it sucks as a fan for shows to be delayed, I do hope that all of the production studio staff are safe and are not over worked as we know them to be.
A better question to pose is why were CR's "judges" a bunch of people who probably only watched the three shows that won a majority of the categories, and then had them be 70% of the decision? Either get rid of the "judges" or, as you said, pick people who actually watch anime by being more strict with who they pick as judges, regardless of if the judge is a "public figure" or not. I'd say that just leaving it all to the audience would net a better result, but not when they immediately ruined the competition by allowing them to vote every single day, and that was on top of making the silly decision to remove Fall. It's all a moot point, anyway, as this is clearly more for marketing than anything. AoT won almost every award. Later that same day -- or maybe it was the day before -- AoT also returned. More people went and watched it. DS had a "movie" airing, and is coming back in three weeks, and so on and so forth. You get the idea, but CR's competition was never a legitimate and fair one to begin with, it was just to promote the shows they had the most investment in whilst patting themselves on the back.
That is my understanding most Crunchyroll Judges hardly watched more than a few shows. Is it that hard to find judges that actually watch a number of shows and will help with diversifying the categories?
There needs to me more categories to vote on, dividing between seasons for example. You can't just condense the entire year into 20 generic categories and expect good results. I feel like the categories are decided beforehand, which is a terrible idea since each year of anime is different. They should look at the seasons individually and create categories that highlight their strengths/surprises. It would mean that "underdog" animes would be represented while not stealing wins from deserving winners. As it stands, the Crunchyroll award is barely good enough for a seasonal ranking, let alone a yearly ranking.
I feel like everyone's putting the cart before the horse by suggesting weighted voting and other 'fixes' for the Anime Awards. As I see it, the issue is with the judges themselves with most (not all) being *woefully* unqualified to be in that position to begin with. I've been watching anime for over 40 years, I'm a relatively smart/logical/self-aware guy *and* I graduated from film school. But even with a solid familiarity and knowledge of anime plus a working knowledge of *exactly* what constitutes 'good writing', cinematography, editing, etc., I don't think I'd be qualified enough to be a judge. Yet, people with a 1/10th of that are cast as judges. There's plenty of really smart, knowledgable critics around such as Tristan, Geoff Thew and a couple others whose opinions and reviews I respect greatly, but I couldn't begin to count the number of times even the 'best of the best' have allowed their personal biases to taint their views of a shows quality; ignoring or unintentionally misrepresenting some aspect of the productions objective quality due to personal bias. And when it's their own channel, I have absolutely NO problem with that. But when judging whether something is 'best of the year', that just cannot be allowed or you get weirdness like Edgerunner winning anime of the year despite not winning almost anything else. As for allowing the general public to vote, I think that's fine so long as it's for seperate and distinct 'viewers choice' awards. Anecdotally, I'd wager a good 80% of the people reading this are incapable of seperating "best" from "favourite". Hell, looking at the results of the Anime Awards for almost any year, I'd wager some of the judges can't either. TL;DR: Want to fix the Anime Awards? Only allow anime industry professionals to be judges.
The fact that made in abyss season two was snubbed for best music at the Crunchyroll anime awards. Is criminal And safe to say I rage quit the award show after that
Just a thought experiment, but... If 10 different shows win 10 different categories, and one show is a solid #2 choice in 10 different categories, does it make more sense to give anime of the year to one of those 10 shows or to the perennial runner up?
I'm ok with that argument but it definitely doesn't apply to edgerunner, which doesn't extend to a lot of genres. Not to mention the big shows each won a lot of awards, not just a few of them. That argument is fair, but it definitely doesn't work when demon slayer won 5, aot won 6 and spy x family won 5
I think anime of the year deals with the intangibles sometimes. In 2018 Devilman was my personal favorite anime of the year. Idk what awards I would give to that show. But I just know it had an impact on me.
Honestly the most fun i had at the awards was predicting which shows would sweep and then being right. But still that wasnt even fun because the awards show started at 4 am, got delayed for almost 20 minutes and went on for over 2 hours lol.
I'm liking the new studio setup. It looks more "News Studio" compared to the other and also seems more crisper, maybe a different camera being used? This looks good for more of the "news" aspect of the channel, and maybe go back to the setup with the bookcase of manga and the bedroom wall for the reviews and such, in which it would be homage to the previous studio.
This is completely unrelated but your watch has a strap that’s disproportionate to it. I recommend getting a new set with a width of 22-24mm and cutting off parts of its edges so that they still fit within the lugs. You can use the original rubber strap as a template.
Crunchyroll's Anime awards just keep on being a joke... Year after Year. I honestly agree with you why do I even vote. This just keeps being a disappointment which seems to only get worse by year. While lots of shows far more deserving don't get the recognition.
Remember the year where Yuri on Ice just won everything. That was the last time I took the awards seriously and that might have even been the first crunchyroll awards
Award Idea: 2 rounds. First round - all the normal awards, get a winner for each category. Second round - award anime of the year based on the winners of the regular categories (based on how well they blew it out of the park)
The most glaring problem I've noticed is the Crunchyroll award for Best Fantasy. They chose Demon Slayer. For FANTASY. Against Mushoku Tensei, Made in Abyss, and Ranking of Kings, they chose Demon Slayer for best fantasy. Inconceivable.
Audio might be a bit over dampened with all the acoustic treatment you have now, but maybe it's just that it's so different from the last studio and my ears need to adjust. Not bad, just different. Am I imagining that tinny sound though? It sounds slightly... off. Not sure how to pin it down just yet. Setup looks good though. Might miss the poster though, that was a good background thing to have.
Tbf, the best of the year can easily be 2nd best at every single cathegory, because the winners suck hard at other things. So you do not have to win any specific cathegory, but you can still win by adding all together.
I think the problem with the Crunchyroll system is the lack of nominees and that the judges had more weight than the audience votes. Like here's the thing, for the Anime of the Year category alone, audiences can vote through the website AND through retweets, and retweets are public, so anyone could see that Cyberpunk: Edgerunners had the most retweets. While that doesn't provide a full picture of the audience voting results, it gives a good idea that Cyberpunk: Edgerunners actually had more audience votes than Attack on Titan, Demon Slayer, or Spy X Family. So what I think what happened is that the Crunchyroll judges prefer Attack on Titan and Demon Slayer over Cyberpunk: Edgerunners (Netflix is a direct competitor to Crunchyroll) so they gave the awards to them in so many other categories, but since the retweets are public and it's very obvious that Cyberpunk: Edgerunners had the most audience votes, they felt like they had no choice but to give AOTY to Cyberpunk: Edgerunners.
"And a style I actually wish the Crunchyroll Awards copied". As the person who created the /r/anime awards (though I'm not running it anymore), there is no sentence I have agreed with more. Which is why our system is so different. Glad you're enjoying the awards though, if you have any questions about it I can answer to the best of my capability, but as stated I am no longer responsible for running the event, so I might not be able to answer all questions. I'm surprised to hear it was a 70/30 split on CR this year though given how problematic the results were. Makes me feel like the judges aren't qualified or aren't watching enough shows for the CR Awards. Also disappointing to hear that the process as a juror in the CR awards is basically the same as before.
30% is more than enough for public voting to dominate if the judges are not united in what they want to win. You'd have to make the split 90/10 like the Game Awards to nerf giant shonen-loving audience.
Tbh Encouragement of Climb (or Yama no Susume “YamaSusu”) is very popular among hardcore sakuga enthusiasts. Like those found on Sakuga Booru or from the authors of Sakuga Blog. I follow that crowd, but am not as hardcore, so even though I haven’t seen it, I remember seeing a bunch of tweets and posts about it. Also apparently they allow for a lot of creativity in their animation, or something like that.
You forgot about anime corner anime of the year awards, they post a weekly top like anime trending and has almost the same followers, this top is also promoted a lot in reddit and the winners are interesting.
Reddit's anime of the year is the 4th season of a show I haven't heard of (which doesn't mean much but hey I watch a ton of anime so I was surprised). There's a conversation to be had that any anime sequel having the position of anime of the year, y'know. In regards to best of year winning other categories, I am one of those that don't want a single show to "sweep" everything. I think the answer to this is to just set a limit of 2-3 categories (including anime of the year) that it may win. This makes judges and so on deliberate which other categories it should win. What categories it did _best_ in. I think the reason that Crunchyroll awards always seems to disappoint is because they don't have enough shows to vote on per category. It's so unbelievably saturated with the super big anime (in particular Jump shows).
Reading through the comments I'm about to drop a real unpopular take here. The consensus here seems to be that it sucks that three or even less shows tend to sweep about 90% of the awards every year but the thing is: Those 3 anime probably just were the best in said year. Wouldn't it be unfair to strip them of their awards they rightfully deserve, giving them to other, most likely just not as good shows instead, only to diversivy the awards? This would result in the same problem the oscars have every year and you see where that has gone - they don't get taken seriously anymore at all. Don't get me wrong: I'd love to see awards with different winners in every category. Hell I'm legitimately sad that Kaguya, Made in Abyss or Ranking of Kings didn't get more recognition and Cyberpunk winning AOTY while not being recognized anywhere else is weird to say the least - I absolutely agree with that. However - I still struggle to find a fault in any award the biggest offender (Attack on titan) won for example. Attack on Titan just simply was that good and the other anime kind of have bad luck to go up against it, it's just how it is. Hell you could even agrue that it would've deserved AOTY too and you wouldn't need to dig deep making that case. The real question here is: Do you want to be fair or do you want to give more unknown, non-mainstream anime the recognition they deserve? I don't think you can go both ways sadly, not in an award show that wants to be taken seriously. You can do a few fixes though. Maybe introduce a runner-up system, where you actually see #2 and #3 places, that would make for more recognition when one anime just sweeps like most years. Maybe introduce more categorys, among that maybe something like an "anime of the year of our hearts", where mainstream gets excluded and only the more niche anime duke it out? Also while introducing more maybe cut down on unnecessary categorys like "best anime song" which is totally unnecessary when "best anime opening" and "best anime ending" are already around and in the end just gave Attack on titan one more category win to boast with.
I will say, I don't personally have a problem with Anime of the Year not winning many other rewards. Often, something can be more than the sum of their parts. I would consider a show that is 2nd best in 8 categories to be better than a show that is 1st in 3 categories, and 4th in the other 5 categories. A show doesn't have to be the best in any single one category for me to enjoy it more overall than something else that may have the best VAs and sound design, but be lacking in visuals and story.
As someone who has been an r/anime juror for five years, this was my final year and I am retiring at this point, I can say a lot of the time why you may not see the AotY result reflected in other categories is because the make-up of the jury between cats is different. You may have people like me that are only in one category, I was in Dramatic Character, or have those that join three at the outset (the most you can join when the awards start) and possibly pick-up more as awards go on. Do have to say, I too was disappointed at no Made in Abyss or Mob in AotY. I personally have not seen Do It Yourself or all of Yama no Susume Season 4 so can't say if they deserved the spots they got or not. Overall though, I feel this year was one of the better years results -wise. I mean, at least it wasn't the controversy of the AotY jury naming Hugtto Precure their pick, like in 2019.
@@thomasffrench3639 A lot of the public was pissed that it was named AotY by the jury. Though, I liked it personally, even I didn't feel it deserved the top spot. I would have been happier if it had been 3rd or 4th in the rankings.
@@GoukaRyuu I actually looked into it. People were upset that their shows for little boys were beat out by a show for little girls. Seeing PreCure in the nominations this year made me interested in the franchise, and this is making me interested in it even more. I’m honestly expecting PreCure to be on the same level as high tier shonen. Any recommendations for seasons?
@@thomasffrench3639 Hugtto Precure is definitely good. Heartcatch Precure is considered to be one of the best of the whole franchise. And, of course, you can always hop on in with the current season, Hirogaru Sky! Precure, which is only 5 episodes in and is available on CrunchyRoll,
@@GoukaRyuu I’m currently on a mecha binge, starting Kamen Rider all while catching up on fall 2022, so I’ll start the newest series so I can passively watch it across the year. But I’ll put a pin in Heartcatch. Thank you.
imo it would be could if there's something like a FFA tournament arc that's open to all anime shows that would be available all year for choosing which anime get nominated various awards, wherein the audience and select judges get a hand in rating anime as they broadcast. The rankings would evolve over time, and everyone can follow along on who/what is in the lead on which category, thus building up hype for the actual awards. After some cut-off date, the rankings would freeze and the top-rated shows/characters would then be seeded into the list of nominations. These lists combine with some special nominations by judges. THEN the voting can commence. So even if ultimately the audience plays a hand in making the award show a popularity contest, at the very least all good shows would have a chance at being represented.
Cyberpunk Edgerunners... Anime of the Year. As it should be 😌 One of my new Fav All-time Anime, produced by my fav all-time Anime Studio; TRIGGER. And Rebecca losing to Anya gets a pass... Rebecca still best girl though
I think the only explanation for Edgerunners on Crounchyrolls is that the sum of its parts is greater than the parts individually? Just pointing out that this is a valid argument.
I know right? Maybe I’m alone on this but if an anime is multiple seasons long and a previous season had episodes that were released the previous year, I don’t think it should be eligible for nomination. It would certainly help with things in my opinion.
@@EpicGamerWinXD69 demon slayer is not even done being anime as ufotable is doing new season it shouldn’t even been on the list if the anime wasn’t finished.
@@danielwitz35 wait seriously? That’s even worse! Did nobody at Crunchyroll realize this and say “Well maybe including this on our list isn’t a good idea. I mean, people really liked Darling in the Franxx, and then they didn’t.”? This just seems extremely short sighted!
@@EpicGamerWinXD69 it’s even more disappointing Mushoku tensei and made in abyss 2 with both being very popular lost to demon slayer with best fantasy award.
what if Anime of the year wasn't voted on, but instead was the result of whatever anime got the most votes collectively from a selected number of core categories?
What sent me over the deep end was seeing the soundtrack of the year go to Titan over Made in Abyss. Like, that's how you know something's wrong here....
While I 100% agree that it's incredibly weird to see the winner of AOTY not winning out in any other category it gets nominated for, in the end it does not matter. We can jump high and low on who is the best but in the end it's just hard to control the masses and their voting. What I do think is that we can see this problem with a lot of award shows outside of anime. Movie awards and music awards are all the same. Most well known, most hyped and biggest budget most of the time wins out over smaller or lesser known things. In the end it's a popularity contest and we shouldn't think too much of it. If you like Edgerunners then that's fine and if you think Demon Slayer should've won then that's fine to. These awards are kinda silly and it shows every single year.
In a championship, if you finish 2nd at every single event, you very probably will finish 1st in the general ranking. That's the concept of average/mean at work. If we had the detailed voting results for each category for the Crunchyroll Awards, I bet this is what would explain Cyberpunk being AOTY.
2023 is the year of me not noticing major events. First I forgot about the Super Bowl until my family was talking about it, i forgot about the World Cup final (Dec 2022 but close lol) and now the anime awards not that I really care I watch more videos about anime than anime itself rip
Funny that they took out Fall anime from the awards because they didn't want recentcy bias to dominate the awards, yet in the end it just takes out the strongest season of the year from being in it so that it was only like 2-3 strong contenders every category and still had the same anime winning every award anyways. Not just that, the categories this year was the worst and laziest ones they have done yet. To me Anime Trending is real anime of the year celebration and not this Crunchyroll where apparently they only watched like 6 or 7 anime this year.
About CR anime awards. For AotY people could vote via tweets/retweets for other categories only via website. Plus for CP:E I think official CP game retweeted tweets about Anime Awards so lot non anime fans retweeted that tweets which means voted for that anime.
There is a relatively easy solution to not make a single show win everything which is to not nominate it on almost everything cough Demon slayer cough AOT
I was excited to hear that Aidan Hutchinson (NFL player from my college) was announcing an award. I would've watched the event if it was a convenient time, if only to see him. But I'm not going to go back and watch a recording of it, and I can't find a clip of his presentation. I appreciate that they want to bring in a wider audience with these hosts, but my sleep is more important than watching a celebrity I like.
...I'm a little shocked you didn't even consider that "best of the year" might actually *disqualify* it from other categories to dissuade total sweeps, or similar behavior from judges. Like, it won best of year, does it really need to punt out other stuff from other categories as well?
So as someone whose vote for anime of the year in Crunchyroll (Spy x Family) was not my vote for best in its genre (I voted Kaguya-Sama as Best Comedy) my reasoning is kind of what you said. I felt that Kaguya-Sama was a better COMEDY (though I was basically split between it and Spy Family), but Spy x Family as a whole had a better package and as such was a better anime overall. It's the same logic for why I've never actually voted Kaguya-Sama as a "Best Romance": it's a romantic-comedy that, until very recently, was heavy on the COMEDY aspect (or dramatic aspects), but I thought other series were better at the ROMANTIC aspect of a romantic-comedy. Hence my picking Shikimori's Not Just a Cutie for Best Romance (plus, it was just nice to have a romance series where the characters are in actually in a relationship from the start and the focus was on that relationship and not the "how do we get to the relationship"). When I'm voting within the context of a genre, I'm comparing the series to "does this best represent the particular expectations of what I think makes for a good show in this genre", and yeah, sometimes shows that draw from a little bit of everything sometimes lose out to something more focused even if the comprehensive package is better. That said I did vote Spy x Family for Best Supporting Character (Anya), Must Protect At All Costs (Anya,), Opening Sequence (Mixed Nuts, I'm a sucker for jazzy energetic openings) so, like, I guess from that you could learn "Spy x Family is great cause Anya is perfection". Of course my bigger issue with the awards this year was that as someone who does tends towards the slice of life/drama/comedy series and not really as big into the shonen or action-adventure stuff anymore I was pretty much locked out of, like, half the categories simply because of the dominance of AoT, Demon Slayer, and Spy x Family. Like, where the heck's the Love Live! and other idol series in the music categories like best song and what not! The villain's songs in Love Live! Superstar were amazing (grumble grumble don't take this part too seriously)!
Not sure how I would run it and I have NO experience whatsoever but... Seems to me that should not Anime of the Year be the one that get most wins over the other categories? Rather than being its own thing to vote on? I dunno. I might be missing something. 😛
When you were voting publicly years ago, I distinctly remember you selecting shows that you think deserver recognition for a particular aspect to make less well known shows shine a little bit more. Perhaps others do the same. But when it comes to Best of Year, there is only one real metric: Did you enjoy the show, and was it done well?
Not really sure how Edgerunners didn’t win best animation on every awards show. Shocked it didn’t win best animation even once. I have my own problems with Edgerunners but it absolutely deserved best animation. I wouldn’t have thought anyone disagreed with that, especially judges. Also can we all agree if Bocchi the rock aired earlier in the year it wouldn’t have gotten so many votes. There is always a big bias for recently aired shows in these awards especially on the audience side.
Tbh, any award platform that cut off some of the best shows, winter of 2022, based on an arbitrary timeline that can be fixed with the simple notion of just hosting it later in the year is a shame. Mob Psycho 100 was such an amazing conclusion for a series and it is a shame on CR's award format.
Honestly “Anime of the year” shouldn’t be voted for, it should be scored off of what given the most votes overall. So if a show came in second in every category it could win Anime of the year assuming nothing won 1st enough to beat it out in points. But thats just what I think
It was interesting skimming CR's list and disagreeing with every category. Even without including Fall, which I get just as a matter of logistics/planning. Definitely don't agree with the premise that an "Anime of the Year" winner should have to be winning other categories/awards, though; there are a lot of pieces involved in putting a series together that cumulatively can add up to being better than any individual piece. In fact I imagine that's most often the case. Every year there's going to be an anime that's like, "okay" outside of the fact that it's ridiculously well animated, or has an incredible soundtrack, etc. But also and perhaps most importantly... it actually doesn't matter.
My favorite goofy Crunchyroll moment was Edgerunners loosing best new anime to Spy Fam just to beat spy fam in anime of the year. Like isn’t best new anime kind of just its own sub category of anime of the year? In theory anime of the year should’ve been either the best new anime or the best continuing anime if we look at just what each category should be judged by. But hilariously that just isn’t the case. As far as we know there’s no difference in how you’d judge it. I’m not even saying Edgerunners shouldn’t have won. It was just kind of goofy that it did.
Oh yeah didn't realize that until you point that out. It's not like best action where you don't judge the action anime, you just rate the action part of the nominess. "New" isn't a descriptive term that implies a different set of rating compared to "best in general", so if a new anime wins "best anime", it should also win "best new anime"
@@trackuniverse9121 I legitimately don’t care which one won which. I just found it goofy that that each won one and lost the other when the category is fundamentally the same but smaller. It only makes sense when talking categories if you admit you are looking for an excuse to give awards to as many shows as possible.
Personally, I think they should just have an "anime of the season" and an anime of the year to actually highlight more than just THE BIG ONE because it casts such a wide shadow on everything else.
I love Attack on Titan to bits, but when 16 out of your 22 categories go to the three most popular nominees, there's a problem.
The Rumbling song won like 2 awards lol tf.. i was hoping Ranking of Kings would win the opening song
Since they remove best boy and replace it with must protect so Anya can win
My thoughts exactly. I do think Attack on Titan is perfectly rated, but I still don't think it should have won all of those categories, and I DEFINITELY don't think it should have been nominated for half of those categories.
Also, Demon Slayer for Best Fantasy? Fucking really? Guys gorgeously swinging swords at demons is fucking Best Fantasy material now? Ridiculous.
@@OhTaco77 Like a half dozen people I know saw Naked Hero pop up among their most played YT videos of the last year. Nobody mentioned to me Rumbling being up there. Cmon, people.
I guess, but I also can't really argue with any of the results. None of the wins were unexpected or that unjustified.
It's like if one year at the Grammy's "Now That's What I Call Music 169" swept every single category.
The same 3-5 anime were nominated for every single award. Some were nominated in the same category twice.
It's hard to get mad at the winners when the nominations are such a joke.
I still can’t believe Demom slayer won for best fantasy over the other nominees, really goes to show these “awards” are just a popularity contest
If you look back at the nominees, the same 5 anime are in every category, with one rando thrown in if you're lucky.
At least a hundred anime came out last year, but if you just looked at the nominees you'd think there were only a dozen.
Honestly yea expect for animation which is the work of Ufotable everything about DS is mid af lmao
By CR definitions now is gonna nominate csm and jjk for fantasy to...
Cope
I was legitimately surprised when Cyberpunk beat AoT and Demon Slayer for AoTY. A happy surprised to say the least.
Made in Abyss got done so dirty. I already knew it was going to be bad when it wasnt even nominated for AOTY, but i thought to myself that it would at least win either best Fantasy or Best Score if not both, but then not only loosing both, but also loosing against Demon Slayer in best Fantasy is unbelievable.
I know, right? I was so sure MiA is going to win Fantasy and Score. Too much faith in humanity I guess
Jobless and Made in Abyss for Best Fantasy
I mean, at least AOT got really good score. In my opinion tho, MiA is just on ANOTHER LEVEL.
But loosing to Demon Slayer in Fantasy was a low blow
@@OhTaco77 which one was jobless again? (i feel like i even watched it but im drawing a blank atm)
@@darkdruidsvale Mushoku Tensei I THINK
As an Australian. I'm glad they Streamed it when they did so FINALY YOU AMERICANS HAVE TO FEEL WHAT I HAVE TO FEEL FOR EVERY STREAM EVER!
"Now, Edgerunners had Rebecca but she did not even won best supporting cast over Spy Family's Anya-" *PAUSES*
HOW DID A MAIN CHARACTER WIN BEST SUPPORTING CHARACTER?
The anime awards are as much of a joke as the game awards is
@@NeostormXLMAX Yeah...in 2015 The Witcher 3 lost an award and they gave the award to some Live Action indie game that no one played it.
In 2016...The GOTY was Overwatch...a game with *NO* story. It was just a Hero Team Based Arena Shooter.
It's Loid's mission.
Anya and Yor are just *things* that he needed to successfully complete that mission.
@@azumag4432 "It is Anya who now enjoys her new exciting life. Loid and Yor are just the source for that excitement."
You cna spin that stuff around however you like. Point is, Anya and Loid both have episodes not focusing on Stryx itself or the other character. In fact Anya tries more on-screen stuff for the mission than the other way around.
Anya is as much of a protagonist as Loid as we see around the same amount of stuff through her eyes as we see it through his.
@@GameBreaker1055 You can have a MC with less screen time than other characters.
Anya helps -her father- Loid with his mission.
The main plot of this anime is the Spy part and not the Family part from "Spy X Family"...even if this anime is more "family" (slice of life).
Me when I noticed that Made in Abyss didn't win Best Score, fantasy or Japanese VA: "I'm not mad... just incredibly disappointed."
I miss the "Place futher than the universe" poster it always made me so happy
Crunchyroll’s award ceremony has the exact opposite problem that the Oscars have. The Oscars seem to go out of their way to give awards to films that the vast majority of the general audiences didn’t actually watch, unless it comes to animation, ironically enough. The Crunchyroll awards is not just a popularity contest, but it’s a popularity contest that often times won’t even let you vote for a show you personally thought was underrated.
Maybe it’s just me, but giving an award to extremely mainstream Shonen battle anime that gets a release every year seems completely unnecessary.
Funny part is that the oscars animation category is fucked. Anyone voting in the academy can vote for animation, even if they have nothing to do with animation and even if they've never seen all the movies. Often the reason something popular wins in animation is because the majority of people voting are only voting because it's something they saw with their kid and they openly admit it. That's why pixar/disney movies generally win if they are included. This isn't how any other category works for voting in the Oscars.
Well part of the point of the oscars is to promote artistic films others passed over and often what is popularly watched is not at all the best thing released.
The problem with the oscars is the awards that are given as more or less apologies for former snubs or if they feel the director/screenwriter/cinematographer/composer/actor/actress is deserving due to their body of work rather than the movie itself. Obscure picks isn’t the problem, it’s external industry history that’s the problem.
(Also yeah the complete disrespect for animation goes without saying)
the Oscars are a Hollywood circle jerk, CR awards are a popularity contest
I would stop watching the Oscar if they start giving everything to something that the vast majority of the general audiences actually watch
Not really. It just so happens that general audiences and Oscar audiences are on different wavelengths. Back in the 70s popularity and Oscar winners went hand in hand
I'm so glad the same five anime that were nominated in every single category swept the awards.
Can't be letting the dozens of other anime that weren't even nominated getting their hopes up.
I was a juror for the reddit awards, I was in the catagories for Romance and Opening, and I have some additional perspetive regarding your point about the anime of the year not being reflected in the other catagories.
The jurors for the catagories are different, the slice of life genre jury and the AOTY jury had completely different judges, and the same is applied to the entire awards show. There is a degree of influence, but for the most part the results are determined by their own jury and no one else. Most of us had no idea who the winners were outside of their respective catagories, and instead focused on our own.
In addtion, every show had a write up on the website regarding it's placement, you asked why Next Summit won, and there is a literal description that tells you why that desicion was reached. there is not only winners here, every catagory had every nominee ranked, so there is a difference between the 2nd best, 3rd best, etc., and not just a Winner and the Runner Ups.
I feel like the rankings and descriptions are a major appeal of Reddit's awards compared to others, as we gvie the readers the reasons why the conclusisons were reached each step of the way. You seem like this was a major issue for you, and there is an answer to your questions on the same place where the awards were presented. I feel like it is a disservice to disregard this element of the awards when it directly applies to your critisisms.
This happens a lot with awards shows, I noticed it with the game awards in the past. They figure out the 'anime/game of the year' and then all the other category winners are actually 2nd place in their category. It's done to avoid having 1 thing win every award and be dull.
I didnt care about crunchyroll awards the moment they excluded the last 3 month of a year
for an award show thats held 3 MONTHS INTO THE NEXT YEAR
To explain the /r/anime process more, each category is judged by a different group of people. So the people giving best SoL to another series are not the same people gave Yama no Susume AOTY. It's a bit silly when you break it down the way you did for sure, but that's why it happened.
Well that’s…
…odd
@@VariisNailo It is. I have had issues with the way they run it for years, and have been in arguments with the people running it over it as well, but it is what it is. That's how they wanna do it.
@@VariisNailo I mean, it'd suck for the people on the SoL jury if they had to make Yama no Susume their winner just because the AOTY jury gave it their win. That's no fun for them if they think something else is better.
@@ShadeXH yes that would suck, but that isn’t even remotely what either of us were thinking of…
IMO if they are going to split the awards categories between different judges that’s fine but only for awards that revolve around specific genres (or niches), basically the judges for awards relating to a specific genre (or niche) should actually be people who watch and enjoy anime from said genre (or niche). However more general awards (anime of the year, best voice actor, best opening, etc.) should include the judges from all award categories as these awards involve anime from all genres.
@@VariisNailo This is already the case. Jurors in AOTY are often in genre, character, and/or production categories as well. And yeah, jurors in the genre categories are fans of that specific genre, otherwise they wouldn't agree to be a part of them.
There just isn't perfect overlap. While someone in SoL might also be in AOTY and love Yama no Susume, it doesn't mean the rest of the SoL jury loves it as much as they, or the rest of AOTY, do.
Tristian: why on earth did the judges only give their anime of the year two awards
Also Tristan (every year in his Crunchyroll voting video): Even though I think another show did it better I’m going to vote for something else because I can only once per show for some reason
Maybe the anime of the year should have like a weighed voting where you can vote for up to three and give out a gold silver bronze. I personally probably have a different problem that I dont watch most of the anime that gets nominated so since Spy x Family was one of the only things I watched that got nominated it was almost the only I vote for.
I just wanted to appreciate your name. Time for a rewatch!
@@hunterhatfield7157 Always a good time to re-watch
Definitely understand the perspective here about r/anime's AOTY and other categories not often matching up.
One aspect that may be overlooked is that each category consists of different jurors - there may be some cross over, but rarely are the same jurors in more than say 3 categories (in my case I ended up in a few more but I also have been doing this for years).
AOTY also happens at the same time as all the other categories, so we don't get an influence from what wins other ones until they are all announced at the end (after we have already voted). So that system would have to change significantly if that were the case. Slice of Life is an example too though of different juries resulting in different results, where Akebi-chan won in place of Yama no Susume (which personally I would have swapped the position with). Just a factor of how it works.
At the end of the day, the main goal with the jury is to have the perspective of people who are required to experience all these shows, and it often results in some diverse nominees that you may not have even heard of. If you are able to take them away as recommendations, then we have already succeeded.
different take from a layman here:
Imo, it is perfectly fine for a work to be labelled 'overall best' even when it's individual elements are each outdone by other works.
Many artforms bring together multiple aspects and elements and anime is a perfect example of art that is comprised of many different factors. An artwork can be 'just fine' in many regards but the sum of it's parts can still elevate it above the parts themselves.
This is just a theoretical PoV I'm bringing to the table here. I haven't watched the climbing anime and Bocchi is definitely my favourite of the year. Just trying to state why I don't think having an anime be AOTY, while not winning other categories, is egregious.
The full quote is “A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.” Leaving out the "oftentimes better than a master of one" portion of the quote has a certain irony given the stance taken in the argument.
Yeah kinda weird when there are no master of one, just 3 masters of many. I'm gonna steal this from a guy above as well, aoty and "best new anime" should at least be the same in this case. How does edgerunner lose "best new anime" when it wins "best anime", while "best new anime" is just a subset of "best anime"? It's not like "best action anime" where people vote purely for the action portion, "new anime" implies a general rating similar to "best anime"
"Jack of all trades" is from the 1600s, "master of none" was added in the 1700s, presumably by a master of one...
The last bit is a modern (i.e. 21st century) American addition not present in any other English-as-a-First-Language country, although I guess it's probably leaked to Canada by now.
I would be interested to know how many people just vote for the best of year and nothing else. that would explain why edge runners only Won that, especially because it seemed to break into the main stream somewhat.
The more interesting part would be how many people go back EVERY DAY to vote again. Or even checking the twitter posts' votes.
With the crunchyroll awards, finally us Australians had it a good time. now you feel are pain with timezones.
I find Anime trending awards to be quite noteworthy, as a lot of the people who usually vote in the awards come from Asia, so the winners usually reflect the preferences of the anime community in Asia compared to the west.
Awards should be done in the fashion of Cinefix's top 10 lists, where they carefully explain WHY a certain movie excels in its category so even if you disagree you can still understand what they mean.
That is what the reddit awards do
the reason award results are so weird is because a lot of people will just vote for anime of the year and not care about the other categories.
I can agree to an extent. But then the r/anime awards, and especially the Anime Trending Awards, have diverse results and representativity across many anime
I'm fine with ATA, at least it's fair unlikely in CR a bit of crazy in AotY
out of all of the fantasy anime's Demon Slayer not only got Nominated but WON the fantasy category, if that doesn't scream "somethings wrong here" idk what does
I'm happy it won, it was really good.
@@Sav-xd9tz lol
@@CleanUpNick Urban/Historical Fantasy 💀
@@shadowwhowalk ikr, it's not actually a fantasy, it's a Historical/Supernatural show like wtf
The statistically depressing thing about the CR Awards is that it has 22 categories, and of those, 3 shows accounted for 16 of those awards. Of the other 6, only Edgerunners won two, everything else won one, and that was Edgerunners, One Piece, Jujutsu Kaisen, Lycoris Recoil, and Kaguya. Possibly the 5 most predictable possible results to get any award at all besides the 3 sweepers.
an anime winning best of the year but not showing up anywhere else in any other category, stinks of "we gave this best anime to make ourselves look smart and refined."
If you are referring to Yama no Susume, it actually did place well in other categories.
One aspect people may not realize is that due to the amount of work that goes into the awards each year, there are different jurors for each category. So if something wins in one category, that jury may not have it as high in another.
AOTY is evidently the most "significant" for those watching, but it is nigh impossible to have the same sort of analysis and discussion done with 100+ people for hundreds of shows without resulting in simply being a popularity contest in the end.
A cute girls doing cute things anime is a weird choice if you're trying to look smart and refined.
Now you know how it feels for us Europeans whenever there's some kind of live stream event happening in NA. Usually on the west coast and usually in the middle of the night for us.
This time the crunchyroll awards happened at a reasonable time at like 11 am or something. Wouldn't have known it was streaming unless Gigguk hadn't been restreaming it though.
I would like to give a personal award to all anime in general for even existing!
Anime truly makes life worth living, in all it's forms and genres!
Literally just clicked on the video and already loving that setup!
i think having the crunchyroll awards use a system which lets you vote more than once, really breaks the accuracy behind the votes. it should be locked to once only, otherwise people can come back time and time again and vote the same shows to bump the votes up on it. or vote for every show each time which defeats the point of there being a choice and a winner. i know why they do it, because it sounds more impressive to say theres 18 million votes, rather than 1 million people (who vote 18 times) .
i voted once because its for an award, not all of them can be winners, even though sometimes i wish they could be, it means that the votes i cast are thought out, and meaningful.
thats how i feel about it all. the award show itself was very nicely presented, but i find it strange that the voice actor awards were just a bookend at the beginning of the live awards, not included in the ceremony, seems a bit of a snub imo. but otherwise a nice show, i enjoyed watching it, i would hope they can do more to help the translator in future as i think listening and talking over another language etc is arduous, i guess its due to being live.
maybe they could do it pre recorded by like a couple hours time difference, just to get the translation recorded, making it easier for all
I laughed so hard when I saw Demon Slayer winning best Fantasy in the Crunchyroll Awards over Mushoku Tensei, Made in Abyss and Overlord XD
Its so sad, you cant do anything but laughing
Even funnier because Demon Slayer can be hardly considered fantasy
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 How is an anime about a character using special mystical breathing techniques fighting demons hardly fantasy?
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 I mean, the fact that Demon Slayer has Vampires with crazy abilities and Superhuman Samurais is the reason that it landed in the Fantasy Category. But I agree, the Fantasy Category is the Isekai category, an Isekai should've won that award.
@@martinaguiluz4063 With that Logic you would have been able to put any show into the Fantasy category. What about Jojo with their crazy as Stand powers fighting an overpowered vampire? What about Attack on Titan, where People get transformed into giant beasts and people get powers making them able to transform into said beasts with special abilities. Animes have fantastic elements that ofcourse are unrealistic, but that doesn’t make a Fantasy. If an anime should have won the fantasy category, it should have been Made in Abyss.
i was a r/anime curator one year... very professional stuff, but im still suprised, i did it when i was like 14 years old LMAO
I always wonder why the Love Live franchise is always locked out of these despite its popularity. Crunchyroll's never so much as nominated any season or movie for anything, and a lot of other award shows, both fan and industry, tend to do the same.
I don't have a problem with anime of the year not getting other awards. I think something being the best as a whole is quite different to specific parts of it being the best, and probably would (and should) be weighted towards being something new or a bit different from the norm, an attribute that would be difficult to have an award for.
As much as it sucks as a fan for shows to be delayed, I do hope that all of the production studio staff are safe and are not over worked as we know them to be.
True then... Even in overseas, they must much time to break sometime.
A better question to pose is why were CR's "judges" a bunch of people who probably only watched the three shows that won a majority of the categories, and then had them be 70% of the decision? Either get rid of the "judges" or, as you said, pick people who actually watch anime by being more strict with who they pick as judges, regardless of if the judge is a "public figure" or not.
I'd say that just leaving it all to the audience would net a better result, but not when they immediately ruined the competition by allowing them to vote every single day, and that was on top of making the silly decision to remove Fall. It's all a moot point, anyway, as this is clearly more for marketing than anything. AoT won almost every award. Later that same day -- or maybe it was the day before -- AoT also returned. More people went and watched it. DS had a "movie" airing, and is coming back in three weeks, and so on and so forth.
You get the idea, but CR's competition was never a legitimate and fair one to begin with, it was just to promote the shows they had the most investment in whilst patting themselves on the back.
That is my understanding most Crunchyroll Judges hardly watched more than a few shows. Is it that hard to find judges that actually watch a number of shows and will help with diversifying the categories?
There needs to me more categories to vote on, dividing between seasons for example. You can't just condense the entire year into 20 generic categories and expect good results. I feel like the categories are decided beforehand, which is a terrible idea since each year of anime is different. They should look at the seasons individually and create categories that highlight their strengths/surprises. It would mean that "underdog" animes would be represented while not stealing wins from deserving winners. As it stands, the Crunchyroll award is barely good enough for a seasonal ranking, let alone a yearly ranking.
I feel like everyone's putting the cart before the horse by suggesting weighted voting and other 'fixes' for the Anime Awards. As I see it, the issue is with the judges themselves with most (not all) being *woefully* unqualified to be in that position to begin with. I've been watching anime for over 40 years, I'm a relatively smart/logical/self-aware guy *and* I graduated from film school. But even with a solid familiarity and knowledge of anime plus a working knowledge of *exactly* what constitutes 'good writing', cinematography, editing, etc., I don't think I'd be qualified enough to be a judge. Yet, people with a 1/10th of that are cast as judges.
There's plenty of really smart, knowledgable critics around such as Tristan, Geoff Thew and a couple others whose opinions and reviews I respect greatly, but I couldn't begin to count the number of times even the 'best of the best' have allowed their personal biases to taint their views of a shows quality; ignoring or unintentionally misrepresenting some aspect of the productions objective quality due to personal bias. And when it's their own channel, I have absolutely NO problem with that. But when judging whether something is 'best of the year', that just cannot be allowed or you get weirdness like Edgerunner winning anime of the year despite not winning almost anything else.
As for allowing the general public to vote, I think that's fine so long as it's for seperate and distinct 'viewers choice' awards. Anecdotally, I'd wager a good 80% of the people reading this are incapable of seperating "best" from "favourite". Hell, looking at the results of the Anime Awards for almost any year, I'd wager some of the judges can't either.
TL;DR: Want to fix the Anime Awards? Only allow anime industry professionals to be judges.
The fact that made in abyss season two was snubbed for best music at the Crunchyroll anime awards. Is criminal And safe to say I rage quit the award show after that
Just a thought experiment, but...
If 10 different shows win 10 different categories, and one show is a solid #2 choice in 10 different categories, does it make more sense to give anime of the year to one of those 10 shows or to the perennial runner up?
definitely the one that excels in every category, even if it isn't the best in any category, should win best overall
I'm ok with that argument but it definitely doesn't apply to edgerunner, which doesn't extend to a lot of genres. Not to mention the big shows each won a lot of awards, not just a few of them. That argument is fair, but it definitely doesn't work when demon slayer won 5, aot won 6 and spy x family won 5
I think anime of the year deals with the intangibles sometimes. In 2018 Devilman was my personal favorite anime of the year. Idk what awards I would give to that show. But I just know it had an impact on me.
Honestly the most fun i had at the awards was predicting which shows would sweep and then being right. But still that wasnt even fun because the awards show started at 4 am, got delayed for almost 20 minutes and went on for over 2 hours lol.
hope you didnt have anywhere to be for the next few days, your schedules gonna be wrecked for a bit if so XD
I'm liking the new studio setup. It looks more "News Studio" compared to the other and also seems more crisper, maybe a different camera being used? This looks good for more of the "news" aspect of the channel, and maybe go back to the setup with the bookcase of manga and the bedroom wall for the reviews and such, in which it would be homage to the previous studio.
This is completely unrelated but your watch has a strap that’s disproportionate to it. I recommend getting a new set with a width of 22-24mm and cutting off parts of its edges so that they still fit within the lugs. You can use the original rubber strap as a template.
Finally, someone as big as you is talking about Anime Trending Award.
Crunchyroll's Anime awards just keep on being a joke... Year after Year. I honestly agree with you why do I even vote. This just keeps being a disappointment which seems to only get worse by year. While lots of shows far more deserving don't get the recognition.
Remember the year where Yuri on Ice just won everything. That was the last time I took the awards seriously and that might have even been the first crunchyroll awards
This is what happens when the site is run by a bunch of out touch people.
@@EthanALS I think it was actually the first one ngl
Award Idea: 2 rounds.
First round - all the normal awards, get a winner for each category.
Second round - award anime of the year based on the winners of the regular categories (based on how well they blew it out of the park)
The most glaring problem I've noticed is the Crunchyroll award for Best Fantasy. They chose Demon Slayer. For FANTASY. Against Mushoku Tensei, Made in Abyss, and Ranking of Kings, they chose Demon Slayer for best fantasy. Inconceivable.
Audio might be a bit over dampened with all the acoustic treatment you have now, but maybe it's just that it's so different from the last studio and my ears need to adjust. Not bad, just different. Am I imagining that tinny sound though? It sounds slightly... off. Not sure how to pin it down just yet. Setup looks good though. Might miss the poster though, that was a good background thing to have.
Tbf, the best of the year can easily be 2nd best at every single cathegory, because the winners suck hard at other things. So you do not have to win any specific cathegory, but you can still win by adding all together.
I literally did not know about the Crunchyroll Awards until today, totally forgot and never got reminded anywhere on the internet
I think the problem with the Crunchyroll system is the lack of nominees and that the judges had more weight than the audience votes. Like here's the thing, for the Anime of the Year category alone, audiences can vote through the website AND through retweets, and retweets are public, so anyone could see that Cyberpunk: Edgerunners had the most retweets. While that doesn't provide a full picture of the audience voting results, it gives a good idea that Cyberpunk: Edgerunners actually had more audience votes than Attack on Titan, Demon Slayer, or Spy X Family. So what I think what happened is that the Crunchyroll judges prefer Attack on Titan and Demon Slayer over Cyberpunk: Edgerunners (Netflix is a direct competitor to Crunchyroll) so they gave the awards to them in so many other categories, but since the retweets are public and it's very obvious that Cyberpunk: Edgerunners had the most audience votes, they felt like they had no choice but to give AOTY to Cyberpunk: Edgerunners.
"And a style I actually wish the Crunchyroll Awards copied".
As the person who created the /r/anime awards (though I'm not running it anymore), there is no sentence I have agreed with more. Which is why our system is so different. Glad you're enjoying the awards though, if you have any questions about it I can answer to the best of my capability, but as stated I am no longer responsible for running the event, so I might not be able to answer all questions.
I'm surprised to hear it was a 70/30 split on CR this year though given how problematic the results were. Makes me feel like the judges aren't qualified or aren't watching enough shows for the CR Awards. Also disappointing to hear that the process as a juror in the CR awards is basically the same as before.
30% is more than enough for public voting to dominate if the judges are not united in what they want to win. You'd have to make the split 90/10 like the Game Awards to nerf giant shonen-loving audience.
@@PrinterThorn It depends on the format you use for the judges vote, but yeah I can see that. Pretty disappointing.
Tbh Encouragement of Climb (or Yama no Susume “YamaSusu”) is very popular among hardcore sakuga enthusiasts. Like those found on Sakuga Booru or from the authors of Sakuga Blog. I follow that crowd, but am not as hardcore, so even though I haven’t seen it, I remember seeing a bunch of tweets and posts about it. Also apparently they allow for a lot of creativity in their animation, or something like that.
You forgot about anime corner anime of the year awards, they post a weekly top like anime trending and has almost the same followers, this top is also promoted a lot in reddit and the winners are interesting.
Reddit's anime of the year is the 4th season of a show I haven't heard of (which doesn't mean much but hey I watch a ton of anime so I was surprised). There's a conversation to be had that any anime sequel having the position of anime of the year, y'know.
In regards to best of year winning other categories, I am one of those that don't want a single show to "sweep" everything. I think the answer to this is to just set a limit of 2-3 categories (including anime of the year) that it may win. This makes judges and so on deliberate which other categories it should win. What categories it did _best_ in.
I think the reason that Crunchyroll awards always seems to disappoint is because they don't have enough shows to vote on per category. It's so unbelievably saturated with the super big anime (in particular Jump shows).
Second story: Wait, what?? Encouragement of the Climb got that award?? That's really unexpected for that SoL show. 😅
Reading through the comments I'm about to drop a real unpopular take here.
The consensus here seems to be that it sucks that three or even less shows tend to sweep about 90% of the awards every year but the thing is: Those 3 anime probably just were the best in said year. Wouldn't it be unfair to strip them of their awards they rightfully deserve, giving them to other, most likely just not as good shows instead, only to diversivy the awards? This would result in the same problem the oscars have every year and you see where that has gone - they don't get taken seriously anymore at all.
Don't get me wrong: I'd love to see awards with different winners in every category. Hell I'm legitimately sad that Kaguya, Made in Abyss or Ranking of Kings didn't get more recognition and Cyberpunk winning AOTY while not being recognized anywhere else is weird to say the least - I absolutely agree with that. However - I still struggle to find a fault in any award the biggest offender (Attack on titan) won for example. Attack on Titan just simply was that good and the other anime kind of have bad luck to go up against it, it's just how it is. Hell you could even agrue that it would've deserved AOTY too and you wouldn't need to dig deep making that case.
The real question here is: Do you want to be fair or do you want to give more unknown, non-mainstream anime the recognition they deserve? I don't think you can go both ways sadly, not in an award show that wants to be taken seriously. You can do a few fixes though. Maybe introduce a runner-up system, where you actually see #2 and #3 places, that would make for more recognition when one anime just sweeps like most years. Maybe introduce more categorys, among that maybe something like an "anime of the year of our hearts", where mainstream gets excluded and only the more niche anime duke it out? Also while introducing more maybe cut down on unnecessary categorys like "best anime song" which is totally unnecessary when "best anime opening" and "best anime ending" are already around and in the end just gave Attack on titan one more category win to boast with.
I will say, I don't personally have a problem with Anime of the Year not winning many other rewards. Often, something can be more than the sum of their parts. I would consider a show that is 2nd best in 8 categories to be better than a show that is 1st in 3 categories, and 4th in the other 5 categories.
A show doesn't have to be the best in any single one category for me to enjoy it more overall than something else that may have the best VAs and sound design, but be lacking in visuals and story.
I only saw the crunchyroll awards were live because i work overnight and the notification hit me at 5 a.m
As someone who has been an r/anime juror for five years, this was my final year and I am retiring at this point, I can say a lot of the time why you may not see the AotY result reflected in other categories is because the make-up of the jury between cats is different. You may have people like me that are only in one category, I was in Dramatic Character, or have those that join three at the outset (the most you can join when the awards start) and possibly pick-up more as awards go on. Do have to say, I too was disappointed at no Made in Abyss or Mob in AotY. I personally have not seen Do It Yourself or all of Yama no Susume Season 4 so can't say if they deserved the spots they got or not. Overall though, I feel this year was one of the better years results -wise. I mean, at least it wasn't the controversy of the AotY jury naming Hugtto Precure their pick, like in 2019.
What was the deal with the PreCure show? Was it’s not good or something?
@@thomasffrench3639 A lot of the public was pissed that it was named AotY by the jury. Though, I liked it personally, even I didn't feel it deserved the top spot. I would have been happier if it had been 3rd or 4th in the rankings.
@@GoukaRyuu I actually looked into it. People were upset that their shows for little boys were beat out by a show for little girls. Seeing PreCure in the nominations this year made me interested in the franchise, and this is making me interested in it even more. I’m honestly expecting PreCure to be on the same level as high tier shonen. Any recommendations for seasons?
@@thomasffrench3639 Hugtto Precure is definitely good. Heartcatch Precure is considered to be one of the best of the whole franchise. And, of course, you can always hop on in with the current season, Hirogaru Sky! Precure, which is only 5 episodes in and is available on CrunchyRoll,
@@GoukaRyuu I’m currently on a mecha binge, starting Kamen Rider all while catching up on fall 2022, so I’ll start the newest series so I can passively watch it across the year. But I’ll put a pin in Heartcatch. Thank you.
interesting, I never thought about awards from that perspective
imo it would be could if there's something like a FFA tournament arc that's open to all anime shows that would be available all year for choosing which anime get nominated various awards, wherein the audience and select judges get a hand in rating anime as they broadcast. The rankings would evolve over time, and everyone can follow along on who/what is in the lead on which category, thus building up hype for the actual awards. After some cut-off date, the rankings would freeze and the top-rated shows/characters would then be seeded into the list of nominations. These lists combine with some special nominations by judges. THEN the voting can commence. So even if ultimately the audience plays a hand in making the award show a popularity contest, at the very least all good shows would have a chance at being represented.
Cyberpunk Edgerunners... Anime of the Year. As it should be 😌 One of my new Fav All-time Anime, produced by my fav all-time Anime Studio; TRIGGER. And Rebecca losing to Anya gets a pass... Rebecca still best girl though
I know these are the least important awards ever but the made in abyss soundtrack not getting a single award should literally be considered robbery
Anime Trending got it right for most of their awards this year.
I think the only explanation for Edgerunners on Crounchyrolls is that the sum of its parts is greater than the parts individually? Just pointing out that this is a valid argument.
That new studio is the hottest thing this season
I think crunchyroll should do what The Streamer Awards do and limit a entry two categories.
I still can't stop staring at the Escaflowne movie box. 🤣
They should of just named the anime awards for crunchyroll the demon titan awards
I know right? Maybe I’m alone on this but if an anime is multiple seasons long and a previous season had episodes that were released the previous year, I don’t think it should be eligible for nomination. It would certainly help with things in my opinion.
@@EpicGamerWinXD69 demon slayer is not even done being anime as ufotable is doing new season it shouldn’t even been on the list if the anime wasn’t finished.
@@danielwitz35 wait seriously? That’s even worse! Did nobody at Crunchyroll realize this and say “Well maybe including this on our list isn’t a good idea. I mean, people really liked Darling in the Franxx, and then they didn’t.”? This just seems extremely short sighted!
You forgot Spy x Family. It won just as many awards as those two.
@@EpicGamerWinXD69 it’s even more disappointing Mushoku tensei and made in abyss 2 with both being very popular lost to demon slayer with best fantasy award.
what if Anime of the year wasn't voted on, but instead was the result of whatever anime got the most votes collectively from a selected number of core categories?
That's a nice studio
What sent me over the deep end was seeing the soundtrack of the year go to Titan over Made in Abyss. Like, that's how you know something's wrong here....
I can understand that. I don't understand demon slayer can even be nominated in best fantasy
While I 100% agree that it's incredibly weird to see the winner of AOTY not winning out in any other category it gets nominated for, in the end it does not matter.
We can jump high and low on who is the best but in the end it's just hard to control the masses and their voting.
What I do think is that we can see this problem with a lot of award shows outside of anime. Movie awards and music awards are all the same.
Most well known, most hyped and biggest budget most of the time wins out over smaller or lesser known things.
In the end it's a popularity contest and we shouldn't think too much of it. If you like Edgerunners then that's fine and if you think Demon Slayer should've won then that's fine to.
These awards are kinda silly and it shows every single year.
Great video mate!
In a championship, if you finish 2nd at every single event, you very probably will finish 1st in the general ranking.
That's the concept of average/mean at work.
If we had the detailed voting results for each category for the Crunchyroll Awards, I bet this is what would explain Cyberpunk being AOTY.
2023 is the year of me not noticing major events. First I forgot about the Super Bowl until my family was talking about it, i forgot about the World Cup final (Dec 2022 but close lol) and now the anime awards not that I really care I watch more videos about anime than anime itself rip
*Laughs in European*
Funny that they took out Fall anime from the awards because they didn't want recentcy bias to dominate the awards, yet in the end it just takes out the strongest season of the year from being in it so that it was only like 2-3 strong contenders every category and still had the same anime winning every award anyways. Not just that, the categories this year was the worst and laziest ones they have done yet. To me Anime Trending is real anime of the year celebration and not this Crunchyroll where apparently they only watched like 6 or 7 anime this year.
You would absolutely adore Encouragement of Climb
About CR anime awards.
For AotY people could vote via tweets/retweets for other categories only via website.
Plus for CP:E I think official CP game retweeted tweets about Anime Awards so lot non anime fans retweeted that tweets which means voted for that anime.
I can't believe you would abandon the "A place further than the universe" poster☹️
Are we going to get another set up tour??
I refuse to watch any of these awards shows but I will happily listen to ark talk about it
New set up is sliiiick dude
There is a relatively easy solution to not make a single show win everything
which is to not nominate it on almost everything
cough Demon slayer cough AOT
I was excited to hear that Aidan Hutchinson (NFL player from my college) was announcing an award. I would've watched the event if it was a convenient time, if only to see him. But I'm not going to go back and watch a recording of it, and I can't find a clip of his presentation. I appreciate that they want to bring in a wider audience with these hosts, but my sleep is more important than watching a celebrity I like.
...I'm a little shocked you didn't even consider that "best of the year" might actually *disqualify* it from other categories to dissuade total sweeps, or similar behavior from judges. Like, it won best of year, does it really need to punt out other stuff from other categories as well?
Finally. An anituber that considers anitrendz and ani corner
Do you have any idea if and when “the angel next door” will have an English dub and release date?
So as someone whose vote for anime of the year in Crunchyroll (Spy x Family) was not my vote for best in its genre (I voted Kaguya-Sama as Best Comedy) my reasoning is kind of what you said. I felt that Kaguya-Sama was a better COMEDY (though I was basically split between it and Spy Family), but Spy x Family as a whole had a better package and as such was a better anime overall. It's the same logic for why I've never actually voted Kaguya-Sama as a "Best Romance": it's a romantic-comedy that, until very recently, was heavy on the COMEDY aspect (or dramatic aspects), but I thought other series were better at the ROMANTIC aspect of a romantic-comedy. Hence my picking Shikimori's Not Just a Cutie for Best Romance (plus, it was just nice to have a romance series where the characters are in actually in a relationship from the start and the focus was on that relationship and not the "how do we get to the relationship"). When I'm voting within the context of a genre, I'm comparing the series to "does this best represent the particular expectations of what I think makes for a good show in this genre", and yeah, sometimes shows that draw from a little bit of everything sometimes lose out to something more focused even if the comprehensive package is better.
That said I did vote Spy x Family for Best Supporting Character (Anya), Must Protect At All Costs (Anya,), Opening Sequence (Mixed Nuts, I'm a sucker for jazzy energetic openings) so, like, I guess from that you could learn "Spy x Family is great cause Anya is perfection".
Of course my bigger issue with the awards this year was that as someone who does tends towards the slice of life/drama/comedy series and not really as big into the shonen or action-adventure stuff anymore I was pretty much locked out of, like, half the categories simply because of the dominance of AoT, Demon Slayer, and Spy x Family. Like, where the heck's the Love Live! and other idol series in the music categories like best song and what not! The villain's songs in Love Live! Superstar were amazing (grumble grumble don't take this part too seriously)!
Not sure how I would run it and I have NO experience whatsoever but... Seems to me that should not Anime of the Year be the one that get most wins over the other categories? Rather than being its own thing to vote on? I dunno. I might be missing something. 😛
When you were voting publicly years ago, I distinctly remember you selecting shows that you think deserver recognition for a particular aspect to make less well known shows shine a little bit more. Perhaps others do the same.
But when it comes to Best of Year, there is only one real metric: Did you enjoy the show, and was it done well?
Arkada Anime Awards (AAA)... WHEN?
Not really sure how Edgerunners didn’t win best animation on every awards show. Shocked it didn’t win best animation even once. I have my own problems with Edgerunners but it absolutely deserved best animation. I wouldn’t have thought anyone disagreed with that, especially judges. Also can we all agree if Bocchi the rock aired earlier in the year it wouldn’t have gotten so many votes. There is always a big bias for recently aired shows in these awards especially on the audience side.
Tbh, any award platform that cut off some of the best shows, winter of 2022, based on an arbitrary timeline that can be fixed with the simple notion of just hosting it later in the year is a shame. Mob Psycho 100 was such an amazing conclusion for a series and it is a shame on CR's award format.
Anybody else notice the "Edge Runner" being precariously close to "Blade Runner?" 🤔🤣
Honestly “Anime of the year” shouldn’t be voted for, it should be scored off of what given the most votes overall.
So if a show came in second in every category it could win Anime of the year assuming nothing won 1st enough to beat it out in points.
But thats just what I think
It was interesting skimming CR's list and disagreeing with every category. Even without including Fall, which I get just as a matter of logistics/planning. Definitely don't agree with the premise that an "Anime of the Year" winner should have to be winning other categories/awards, though; there are a lot of pieces involved in putting a series together that cumulatively can add up to being better than any individual piece. In fact I imagine that's most often the case. Every year there's going to be an anime that's like, "okay" outside of the fact that it's ridiculously well animated, or has an incredible soundtrack, etc. But also and perhaps most importantly... it actually doesn't matter.
My favorite goofy Crunchyroll moment was Edgerunners loosing best new anime to Spy Fam just to beat spy fam in anime of the year. Like isn’t best new anime kind of just its own sub category of anime of the year? In theory anime of the year should’ve been either the best new anime or the best continuing anime if we look at just what each category should be judged by. But hilariously that just isn’t the case. As far as we know there’s no difference in how you’d judge it. I’m not even saying Edgerunners shouldn’t have won. It was just kind of goofy that it did.
Edgerunners already won anime of the so it's fair for another anime to win best new anime, don't be so greedy
Oh yeah didn't realize that until you point that out. It's not like best action where you don't judge the action anime, you just rate the action part of the nominess. "New" isn't a descriptive term that implies a different set of rating compared to "best in general", so if a new anime wins "best anime", it should also win "best new anime"
@@trackuniverse9121 I legitimately don’t care which one won which. I just found it goofy that that each won one and lost the other when the category is fundamentally the same but smaller. It only makes sense when talking categories if you admit you are looking for an excuse to give awards to as many shows as possible.
Personally, I think they should just have an "anime of the season" and an anime of the year to actually highlight more than just THE BIG ONE because it casts such a wide shadow on everything else.