DIY Repairs & Testing - LB9/L98 Tuned Port Injection (TPI) Engines Part 1/2
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- In today's video, we go over a few things in my new 1991 Pontiac Firebird Formula/WS6! This is part one, of a two part video series that will get this 305 TPI in GREAT running shape! Things we test/fix are as follow:
-Idle Air Control Replacement/Relearn
-Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) Testing
-Minimum Air Adjustment/Idle Adjustment
-Base Timing Adjustment
-ECU Reset/Seafoam Engine Treatment
-Throttle Body/IAC Cleaning
Part two will be uploaded ASAP!
Make sure you check out buying the car here!
• I bought a CHEAP F-Bod...
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This is part one, of a two part series to keep videos relatively short! There's a LOT of information in this one, soon to be followed up with fixing the TPI engines idle/hesitation issues. Stay tuned!
Glad I found you
This is a super helpful video! I have been looking for a video with exactly this content for a long time. Your filming and presentation are superior. I have an L98 on a ZZ4 in a 1975 Toyota Land Cruiser and have issues with idle and cold start. Your diagnostics and testing procedures are exactly what I needed to see. Thanks!
Sweet, glad to hear it may have been helpful! There's not much online for troubleshooting the TPI systems. Good luck
Love the Menards gloves! Got some just like it. 😊
the spark advance is what was wrong with mine. ty so much for putting this vid together
I haven’t watched part two yet but I’m very pleased with everything I have watched so far! Keep up the good work man. Hell buy a beater and make how to videos on the regular!!!!
Thanks man, I'll have to get another third gen someday here. I've got a big soft spot for them and enjoy working on them.
A Vacuum hose connector that is a Y fitting was cracked. The hoses split one going to the throttle sensor. I had changed out the sensor with a new one. That was also cracked. Had the engine smoke checked which showed both issues. I know you can use fluids to check, but that worked better in my opinion. I had changed out the intake manifold gaskets and RTV due to an oil leak out the back side. Doable but not a one-day job. Changed out the EGR with a new Delco EGR. It wouldn't hold Vac. PSI. After 3EGR's I found one that held PSI. New parts aren't worth poop now a days. The other thing I learn was those Vacuum hoses may look good. But unless you check each and every line. You could be throwing parts at a leak. Hey at 30+ years rubber breaks down. Sorry to wine about my journey with an L98. Hope you get that nailed down. CHEERS
The corvet has same issues ...they changed the fuel pressure thing on the fuel rail..made big change...no more die outs
This is more cases than not..the problem. The fuel pressure regulator
The IAC relearn you have to jump the A & B terminals in the OBD1 (ALDL) Then turn the key for it to open. You should heard it clicking rapidly. If you do this without jumping the terminals the IAC won't actually open... Remove the A/B connection, plug the IAC back in and then start the car.
Bad ass! Guys that can't fix carbs n tune neither can't fix tbi n tune cars.
I started having this issue last year. I pulled and rebuilt the LB9 of my '88 IROC about 5years ago. All new hoses, sensors, and IAC. My RPMs increase when I depress the clutch to shift gears and the idle is often high (1100ish) when sitting at a light in neutral (shif up light comes on!). A quick tap of the gas gets it back to 750rpm. I set the IAC voltage down to about 0.47VDC and adjusted the idle screw all to no avail. Reset ECU. Cannot find any idication of a vacuum leak. I may just bite the bullet and get a new IAC again.
I bought a 91 formula 350 last year and whoever messed with mine had the timing all screwed up. Resetting the timing like you did made it a whole new car.
Isn't that a PITA of Having to remove the coil to adjust the distributor?
BTW, nice looking ride!
Agreed 100%! Getting the timing right was a huge step with this one. Wish it was a Formula 350 like you had. Someone put 5.7 decals on the hood lol.
You are also right about it being s giant PITA to do anything on the back of the engine. What a pain.
Do you have to do emissions testing? All of that EGR piping always made me cringe, as well as the horrible log manifolds. Headers and shift kit would be my first "updates". Great job on research and methodically going through the steps instead of just throwing parts at it.
Negative, there is no emissions testing in my state. I agree BIG time about the EGR/Smog stuff being a major eye sore and hiderence.
I'm trying to pick a trajectory with the car that makes sense financially, would be fun to watch, and make the car very enjoyable to drive. Thinking a manual transmission being the 700r4 in it slips something fierce on shifts at WOT haha
Appreciate the feedback. I'm trying to replace the exact right part at each step with this one. Troubleshooting can save a guy a TON of money.
Everytime I've had this idle problem (I've owned three TPI cars) it was always the IAC and or throttle position sensors.
I was hoping it would be that easy. Unfortunately it took a few days pecking away at it to come to the conclusion I did, which has fixed it.
I gave the minimum air adjustment a shot because it's free, and ideally would have checked another box for testing/calibrating.
After doing more research, it's not worth trying as its generally not the root of an issue.
@@Greenlightfilming I had a 1992 Formula Firebird with the 305 TPI engine. I had an issue with the car running poorly, as it turned out some of my injectors weren't working. Hope you never have to switch those out. It's a huge pain compared to the LS1 cars.
Those gas tanks on those rot always from top down usually and you may be sucking air from holes in top of your fuel tank just saying as this is what was going on with my 3rd gen and I had to replace fuel tank pump and sending unit and bam runs amazing. The guy I bought the car from really cheap had done all those things your doing. Timing , pugs wires fuel filter and all new injectors etc etc… but bought it took it to gas station tried filling it full and gas was pouring out everywhere so I replace the tank and everything that goes with it. Night and day
The last time I had this problem with a car it was a clogged catalytic converter. After changing it, it ran like a new car. Drove me insane before I was able to find the problem.
This car does have what I assume is a factory cat. I believe it's also the factory exhaust!
Luckily, that wasnt my issue this go round. That would have been tough to figure out.
@@Greenlightfilming not really because when it’s the problem it expresses it’s frustration with a bright Cherry Burn/Glow
Excellent video. Thanks
Thanks for watching 👍🏻👍🏻
Way to have patience brother!!! Chasing down problems like that could drive you insane. Sounds like you're hot on it's trail!!!!!! I am enjoying nthe ride, and rooting for you to fix it!
Appreciate it bro! This was a tricky one, but I got it cornered in the end. I've already shot the second video and will have it edited/uploaded ASAP.
Awesome!!!! Can't wait to see it!!!!
@@martiniusetihw just finished up shooting this afternoon. Should be up this weekend!
Yesss!!!!!
Another awesome video!
I have one Camaro f body 1993 And i wonder if the 20 amps fuse to ecu are in the same place behind the headlamp?
I wouldn't think so. The cars/wiring harnesses would be totally different. I'd imagine you have an ECU fuse in the passenger's compartment fuse panel. Check position "3" for "PCM BATT".
Should buy a performance chip and a air foil, with a cold air filter and add a decent exhaust u won’t be disappointed😁
I would like to keep the TPI setup and swap a manual transmission into it. It needs ALL the help it can get in the power department haha
Hard to say what's going to happen with this car!!
GreenLightFilming yes I agree about the manual. Installed a 5 speed in a friends 87 auto gta about 8 years ago world of difference lol
The car sometimes dying of during the first few miles after an ECM reset is normal. At least on the 3.1 V6 with the same ECM. But of course not the idling of your car.
Have you had any check engine codes with these problems. My iroc has always ran really well but also is prone to high idle and has had vacuum leaks over the years. My issues have translated to code 36 more than once. It’s like reoccurring issue for me.
Mister hand likes giving a solo performance??
I turned my into a carb engine after I did all you did and then some but still couldn't resolve the issue
Nice video bro, do you know what voltage from the maf sensor in idle shold be?
I dont offhand, no. Check out thirdgen.org for that info in the forums.
Good Video 👍
Thanks bud, appreciate it!
FOR SALE - 1999 WS6Transam 29,000 miles, six speed. I had damaged the front end and the driver side rear quarter after hitting some ice. It is a great car and I loved driving the car. The first time I drove it in bad weather, and I crashed it. But due to the damage I do not have the knowledge or abilities to repair it. I do have another Firebird to use for parts and it is the complete body with good front end and good driver side quarter. The exhaust is a Borla cat back system. I would sell it and put what I can for a down payment on a corvette. If I must, I will also sell my 2004 GTO made by Holden company from Australia it has the 350/350 corvette engine, this has an automatic transmission with a factory shift kit. It is faster than my WS6 and I enjoy driving it. The GTO is yellow, and it does not have the hood scope. Most people do not know what a GTO is. Except for people that like the WS6. Please help me sell this I have had the WSW since 1999. Oh, it is the Red model. If someone lives near 03101 and could help me fix the damage, I will make it worth your assistance. I had an accident that ruptured two discs and herniated two more. This is the bad part about my accident I can not bend or reach for things like tools and reaching around things. If anyone knows what the best website would be to put the car on “For Sale” could you, please let me know. Thanx so much. I wish I found this website earlier. Contact me at lonrace@comcast.net thank you Jeff. It broke my heart when I crashed it. Now selling it will do the same.
I had 2 LB9's ... i beat the hell outta them .... it was an animal..... they need a nice modern 5.3
Agreed. An LS motor is better in probably every single way haha. I got the engine running mint right now. Will have it and LS Ws6 content in the next video.
Do you happen to know how strong the block is? I have one its been bored 40 over cant find anything on this block just dont wanna spend the money if the block is weak
I think they are fairly tough. Probably not going to make 2,000HP with one, but for most guys they seem to work.
Try timing @ 10 btdc
Check battery cables,ignition, plenum clean.
Good suggestions here. I go over it in part two.
Change baterry cables and the third on ground chasis and on low block conect it, oxigen sensor, alternator direct to the battery change it for a #8 cable( use to house conections). Nice day.
Timing ignition can be 8 to 12 degree .
Anyone know where i can get a gauge cluster like that one or have any suggestions
Are you talking about the announcing stock 85-92 actual gauges? I have 3 stock sets. And 2 stock bezels.
How do I get my car to you lol. My vehicle wont idle until hot. And its a lil low even warm. Stalls after quick throttle on - off acceleration.
Pick your shipping company and send it! Lol
Mass air flow sensor
I got a trans Am l98 350 5.7 my trans Am did the exact same thing mass and another thing make sure the oil is full it's got a oil switch if the engine is low on oil it will die keeping it from blowing up
Mass air flow sensor
Sorry for the text mess up
Mass air flow sensor or not cheap that's what makes the car run if it is bad it will not run it will start but it will die the high idle is the mass airflow sensor there are about 200 to 250 dollars and make sure you don't buy it from AutoZone they don't work on those cars
I know these cars like the back of my hand I own one
Give the firebird the respect it deserves, and get it some good shocks . Get rid of that wood.prop.
Yep, it was fixed later on in this video or another one lol. Half of the F-Bodies I've purchased come with a rod for the hood or hatch.....
Need a good tune up.
It sure does! It was well cared for but showing its age.
Never mind
No worries! lol