YouTube Has Gone Too Far This Time
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2023
- In this video I discuss how UA-cam is artificially slowing down videos in the Firefox browser artificially to probably get people to use Chromium browsers that Google has more control over.
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For years UA-cam has treated its creators poorly. Now it's being made exceedingly clear to viewers that they intend to treat everyone poorly.
When the creators are hurt, everyone else is hurt along with them.
Demonitizing creators without any reason while allowing malicious ads, scam ads, and even the ads with extremely inappropriate content inside it.
It seriously needs numerous class action lawsuits with the fine as big as 10% total Google asset to stop this effectively
@@sihamhamda47 I'm praying on youtube's downfall at this point.
@@vrilcelthen what will we watch then?
@@BadContentCreator193rumble
The fact that google had the audacity to do this during their Antitrust trial where part of the accusation is that they are using their market control over one type of product to divert users to their product in other areas is astounding.
jew love to see it
@@cl8804go home Nazi.
It’s all for a show. (([They])) know that the gov they control (ZOG) will slap them on the wrist.
Based on the code I 100% think this is not deliberate targeting, but just poor QA testing
We need a new platform with no censors and availability on mobile and consoles
UA-cam VASTLY overestimate how anoying it is to wait 5s and VASTLY underestimate how little I (we) want to watch ads. Not to mention that I've been on FF for years and have noticed no difference recently.
I swear that every big company is destroying themselves this year
UA-cam, Twitch, Discord, Reddit, Twitter, Unity, and now UA-cam again???
Hmm and yet they're still here, funny
@@RussianBot69420it’s almost like there grasp on online entertainment is way to strong and they have damn near no competition
I remember unity as clear as day and the non unity users and people who aired on other engines were having a field day
Considering that firefox's market share is tiny compared to chrome, this move by YT is just them being absurdly petty
I would not be suprised if this would be part of reason why its this tiny. From what i heard google was kneecapping for years in lot of ways across their whole portfolio of services.
omg I didn't even think of that 😂 Google is such a fucking joke
they just but fire fox on people radar like they did with ADsblock
welp. their own control freaking is what's driving ppl to switch off chrome in the first place so can't even laugh about this any more. I used to use a chrome book and thought chrome was phenomenal (used to)
but firefox has consistently gotten better and more user friendly with each passing year while google has uhhhh....
I’d argue the same about the majority of ad block users. They made the market share grow by trying to make a big fuss out of it. 😂
A couple of years ago I was using Firefox as my main browser. Whenever I uploaded a video on UA-cam through Firefox, with a 1GBPS internet connection, it took around 25-40minutes. I downloaded Chrome to see if there was any difference. 2-3 minutes upload time. It all makes sense now...
Yea my friend also once claimed that UA-cam artificially slows down video upload speeds on firefox browser
teoria conspiratiei sa mi pice tiglele de pe casa
PENK??? :D Mă bucur să te văd așa random pe net. (sau poate nu e random și clipul mi-a fost recomandat pentru că ai comentat tu, no idea)
Anyway, I bought premium a while ago. Both before and after, my laptop loads YT (on Firefox) in 5+ seconds while my PC does it (still in Firefox) in half a sec. Weird. Could be my specs.
Nu ma asteptam sa te vad aici dintre toate locurile :))))
use brave browser, literally no ads anywhere and has some anti-malware bult-in in the browser which is great.
I remember back in the days UA-cam used to have a slogan called broadcast yourself. Now that slogan is gone and UA-cam claims ownership to everybody's work
This is insane! Being a Firefox user, I currently have exactly this problem. But not only when I first start a video, but also constantly while watching it. Hovering with the mouse over the video, waiting for the navigation icons to appear, so I can pause the video or change the volume, the icons won't show for seconds. Also, the entire UA-cam website freezes from time to time for a few seconds while browsing for new videos. It started to be unusable. At first I thought its the RAM, running out for Firefox, so I killed it via Task Manager again and again. But your suggestion with the User Agent Switcher did the trick. YT no longer reacts so sluggish. Thanks!
I've had a similar experience but put it down to various plausible possible factors, like leaving far too many tabs open (even using add-ons to better manage them) and generally multitasking too much when my rig is long overdue an upgrade. Meanwhile, app devs continue to put out bloated, over-designed, resource-hogging monsters (and the ecosystem is about as bad on desktop as it is on mobile). Web devs aren't much better, with Big Tech being the worst for insisting on dynamic webpages (how am I supposed to know the page has actually finished loading when most of its content is dynamic and loaded in-page? or will it even finish loading a working page?)
So, natch, I figure Google is just leading the way with that kind of user-unfriendly BS that's now everywhere, on top of their usual sneakiness like tracking in all its forms. Finding this out, I'm not surprised from a corp that spends millions fighting antitrust cases and bends/breaks the law knowing any fees they might have to pay will be recouped by the profit generated just in the time it takes for their legal team to travel back from court.
Nope, Big G really will pull no punches when it comes to pushing itself and its products/interests to the top of the pile, even if that means trampling over the user base they profit off. Fudging your code to target certain demographics of users to not only passively leech off them but actively disadvantage them? That's the kind of behaviour you expect from script kiddies and amateur black-hats.
Let them. Whatever they stop doing openly, they'll keep doing what they do covertly as long as they can. It only spoils their sketchy reputation and pushes more users away bit by bit, but best of all, it just makes folks like add-on maintainers build better tools, understand the systems better, and become better devs in the process. It's like piracy, a constant game of whack-a-mole played by suits who know a lot about business but nothing about the practical reality of tech. If a protective mechanism exists, there either is already a workaround, or one's being worked on.
Anyway, rant over. tl;dr: try harder, Google.
To be fair, Mozilla is terrible with ram. They were Once a good browser. Now they suck.
Did you buy YT Premium? How was it then? I refuse to be extorted into buying it. I just restart my computer when the block pops up.
Holy crap I always thought my friend's Firefox was so slow to load UA-cam because of adblocking. To actually learn Google is artificially sabotaging Firefox is insane.
is it tho?
insane as "wtf they doin broo" yes
insane as "wtf didn't think it was gonna happen" nahhh
@@troll_486t is insane as in "never thought they'd do it" because this is illegal as their actions damage the image firefox has towards the public
Adblock doesn't make anything slower to load. Because you're loading LESS things on the page.
Besides, Adblocking makes your browser faster, not slower.
only element hiding could possibly slow things down and it's not doing much of that here.
Been noticing this, figured it was just part of how uBlock was blocking UA-cam's ad detection. Installed a user agent changer and videos load instantly now. This is actually insane, and I'm looking forward to the inevitable EU lawsuit.
Surprisingly enough this has been going on for quite a while now if I remember correctly (especially in incognito).
Never thought about the user agent, gonna try it sometime when I use my PC
@@rawmeateaterLMAO it's just the uBlock Streisand Effect all over again
Thanks for the workaround idea!
That's if the Google outage that happened few years ago and left most of the infrastructure of the whole world in non-usable state wasn't just one of their little tests to see how badly they got everybody by the balls. I'm pretty sure EU infrastructure will need years to overcome such permanent outage. Google already said they can flip the switch for EU, if they continue to piss them off. Fun times ahead folks. Greetings from EU.
As I am an habitual Firefox and uBlockOrigin user, I am sincerely happy to know that I fall into the category which is usually protected by the national ConsumerProtectionLaws. This video needs more traction and cloud because of the underhanded methods used by todays big-tech.
Not gonna lie, I am as much apalled as I am disgusted by this; as well thankfull for your clear report on this.
Many thanks
I use Firefox and ublock origin but no matter what I do the videos are blocked. They played for about a day but when I flushed cache and update the filters it doesn't work anymore.
@@NealHartsChannel good one. I tried it myself while fiddling. Thanks, because it also works for me.
On mobile I insta-block the adds out of principle. That's my next site to figure
@@NealHartsChannel Ghostery currently works on firefox.
imagine using PascalCase for software names lmao
Honestly that is lame solution to the "problem". Did they already lay off all their good programmers ?
I've using Firefox since the begging, but I never used any adblocker with it.
Well, I'm gona try this filter for uBlock Origin ... Is this what YT wants me to do ?
Wow, I've noticed my experience on youtube with Firefox seems to have been sluggish and generally crappier than usual for a while now. I had just assumed it was me having too many tabs open and too many other things running at the same time. And that's partially true, but youtube in particular has been really, _really_ obnoxiously slow. However, I just switched my user agent from what it actually is (Firefox/Linux) to Chrome/Windows and suddenly everything is unmistakably more responsive. Thanks for the tip! I don't think I would have realized this otherwise.
Googles motto used to be "Dont be Evil." Used to be. They changed it to "Do the Right Thing" Interestingly acknowledging evil in your corporate motto and acknowledging that corporations, especially powerful ones, tend towards evil makes consciously being evil pretty hard.
Now that its "Do the Right Thing" however, google can do whatever they want so long as they can justify their actions as "Right" and be as evil and depraved as they want to be. Their Corporate culture stopped being "Dont be Evil" a long long time ago.
You know it's over when they literally change their motto from "don't be evil"
Gotta be on the right side of history, and that may require being evil from time to time.
I forgot all about this, good eye n info brodi
It could also literally be interpreted as "Do the right thing"... For the investors, or shareholders, or for the CEO
this guy here inquisitor yes yes talking about necessary evil inquisitor @@ordinaryhuman5645
It’s insane that they keep getting away with literally criminal practices like this
If they control our internet search results then who is going to stop them?
Even if they're such a large scale company, the consequences will catch them from behind
Nah. Makes perfect sense. Think about who is responsible for punishing them. It's the people who most heavily rely upon them to spy on the public. To slap them down for this kind of activity would be to break their own tool over their knee. They're not going to do that.
The EU comission actually did start to mess with them because they told them adblockers are not illegal and if they would happen to block UA-cam in the whole Europe it would be Google's loss
One of the many reasons I don't want to pay for UA-cam is that playback with the screen off is a paid feature. That should not be legal.
One thing you should learn about these organizations is THEY DON’T CARE! If they CAN do it, they WILL.
I would imagine that slowing Firefox down on UA-cam would be a violation of anti trust laws.
It totally is. Firefox is the only popular browser that doesn't use any Google stuff at all. They are 100% a competitor and if this goes public I imagine they're so going to get sued.
@@YellowPandaSomething I use Firefox on my phone to watch UA-cam. It has an adblocker and an extension to watch videos in the background or when the screen is off. It's a god send! If you have Android, it's worth downloading Firefox and those addons.
@@YellowPandaSomething Reposting as I don't think YT allowed it through. test
@@YellowPandaSomething I use Firefox on my phone to watch UA-cam. It has an adblocker and an extension to watch videos in the background or when the screen is off. It's a god send! If you have Android, it's worth downloading Firefox and those addons.
@@YellowPandaSomething I use Firefox on my phone to watch UA-cam. It has an adblocker and an extension to watch videos in the background or when the screen is off. If you have Android, it's worth downloading Firefox and those addons.
It's unsurprising, given who owns UA-cam... an advertising company with a competing browser. It is just unethical
Chrome isn't a competing browser.
Something isn't competing, when it basically has a monopoly (btw i never know who to hate most between microsoft and google because they just keep one upping each other in doing the worst thig possible)
@@no_name4796 It's still by definition a competing browser.
@@no_name4796 yea, I also forgot Chromium backbones other browsers aswell... Basically a monopoly in the browser scene.
Nah, firefox is not from chromium
Should be broken-up using antitrust law.
Mozilla should sue them, the proof is already in the code.
Why is it happening with Chrome users using adblockers? Why is it not doing the same thing on my Firefox? There is no proof, the code shows that it's for ad interuptions and since the ad can't load the code breaks and its shows a blank screen for 5 seconds and then resumes.
@@0Bennymangoogle fanboy, gtfo
Problem is I'm pretty sure Google actually sponsors Mozilla, so it keeps it's competitor alive.
Mozilla as a company is also pretty shit from what i learned recently.
@@0Bennyman I tested it myself just now. I got a simple spoofer and checked all my open youtube tabs. Refresh, 5 seconds of nothing, then page loads. I spoofed to chrome, everything loaded immediately. Turned spoofer off. Refresh took five seconds. I did this off and on another three times and the results are consistent.
@@Kiritomenshow so?
Thanks a lot, I was fed up with that 5 seconds delay when I watched long documentary. Great job.
I'm using Chrome and I refuse to give up Adblock so UA-cam can be as salty as it wants.
I'm not giving in.
As a fire fox user i've absolutely seen this phenomina occuring.
It was way worse yesterday, sometimes i'd think the page would never load. But it's fine today.
me too, i thought it was just my laptop being bad, totally did not make me consider switching to chrome
Because ublock origin is blocking this since yesterday
I'm using Opera and it's not been a problem. I'm also using uBlockOrigin on Opera and it's always worked. If you do try it you have to disable the built in ad blocker for YT, letting uBlock run solo.
It is happening to me on both opera and firefox 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
This was happening to me too on Firefox!!
I love how UA-cam's idea to artificially worsen performance on Firefox is just to give users the same experience they get on the official UA-cam app.
Lol
Literally 😂 😂 😂 yesterday i was watching stuff on my phone and it was skipping/lagging frames and audio for like 20 minutes, even after multiple close-open attempts. Madness.
Sure that’s not your phone? My experience is pretty smooth with the app
@@luipaardprint Apps are bloatware. Always.
The rule goes: if the app is larger than a few kilobytes, it's bloat.
@@yeetyeet7070doesn't change the fact that it may be the person's phone malfunctioning instead of the app.
Google and UA-cam really are proving to be the most despicable company out there today.
Agreed, I do not know what we can do at this point. Every company is going on a downfall
Kenny always on the side of the people 🥰 thanks for all you do to share your knowledge with "ordinary every day people" who are the atempted victims of these large tech companies. I on PURPOSE watch your videos on my TV to play the ads in hopes of it helping you somehow back and the videos I dont have time for at the moment... I open, let an ad run, like and then view it at a later date... like I just did with the Syncthing video because I JUST KNOW that again is a video of Kenny TEACHING us to avoid getting in the claw of large tech with their privacy rape in the form of Dropbox or Google drive. I suggest a personal NAS cloud myself but I have been wanting to learn more about Syncthing and Kenny got our back, again and again ! Thanks bro for being so enlightened and sharing that, for real.
i wanna donate to the ublock devs, they are doing god's work.
they aren't doing god's work
they are ANGELS
no.@@epicellableu5245
@@epicellableu5245they are literal gods
They don’t take donations but instead encourage to donate to the people that create and maintain the adlists
@@garydeluce464 Raymond Hill of uBO is absolutely one of the most based dev alive
In the US, this could fall under the anti-monopoly and unfair practices laws. I'd love to see LegalEagle's take on it.
If I had money, I’d pay GOOD money for Legal Eagle to cover it
Only problem is that LegalEagle is a moron.
Send this to legal eagle, and send it to the press so other big media that not under alphabet Inc can make damning article, and the congress can put em under scrutiny like how Facebook got some.
Where were these laws when Google killed Opera browsing engine? It was the same thing, every Google service worked with bugs in Opera, even their search. The Opera developers attempted various workarounds to ensure consistent functionality, but eventually, they gave up for the Chromium engine. Nobody paid any attention.
Legal eagle is a leftist twat waffle that knows nothing. Why would you want to get his take? Lol.😂
I miss the 90's internet that rejected censorship, government abuse, and anti-competitive practices.
thank you very much ! Thanks to you i managed to fix the lagging problem of google tempering firefox
I genuinely believe this has to be stupidity rather than malice on some level. With all of the antitrust lawsuits going on right now, this doesn't make sense. The look on Google's lawyer's face when their rep said that they give Apple something like 30% of the ad revenue generated from safari clients in return for having google as the default search engine on safari on MacOS & iOS was a look of defeat and cringe. Their lawyers have to be telling them to not rock the boat with anything they do.
To do this so soon after, is just... incredibly ballsy, or someone being exceptionally stupid.
And to put it so blatantly in plain sight is what baffles me.
While the FTC are distracted in court they're making their move on Firefox 😱
very much agreed
UA-cam already has been caught before using exclusive Chrome API which didn't exist in Firefox and coincidentally made it run slower when loading videos
Whatever it may be, I personally do hope they get to answer for it soon enough. It's already ridiculous that they ever got away with their business practices, even more that they've never faced nearly enough scrutiny for it by anyone except the handful of people who do genuinely care.
Kudos to Google, though, for digging this hole like a stubborn donkey- maybe finally we'll have some diversity again.
i genuinely think Google seriously need to be fined billions of dollars for their abhorrent actions, and continually fined just a bit more then their annual proffit every year until they stop doing this, they also need to be fined for their absurd levels of censorship.
Absolutely. The will never learn otherwise.
Goog...is the gov, the gov is g.....le. what is the consequence?
@@tiergeist2639 ???? The european union is not a governmental org. And google is located in america. not europe. Stupid comment.
I would love that but they can only be fined if they are actually breaking the law. Idk if in this situation they are or not. Probably tho
Monopoly, the market would punish them, if there was a market. Instead everyone has to meet their standards for speech.
Thank you for the clear, concise information.
Add to this that one needs to skip each ad individually now. UA-cam used to be my TV alternative, but they keep becoming like TV.
just because they realize chrome is shit dosent mean they can kneecap firefox
Sure it does. Nobody is going to stop them.
Microsoft did the same when their hardware was used under a different (read "better") DOS sometime in the 80s-90s.
Microsoft made it so the computer threw a warning about some bs error. regular computer people didn't give a shit and breezed past it on every startup, but common users were deterred from the microsoft's competitor since "MS-DOS didn't have any errors" so, yeah, Google's going for the same strategy here
@@atomic_bomba ublock origin devs are saving us, thank the heavens
They can and will do any evil thing they want, because humans suck, this is hell, and everything is going to burn.
@@youtuberobbedmeofmyname fr tho
UA-cam is unironically trying to speedrun getting sued by the European Union
Google has lobbied the EU so much that I'm pretty sure everyone there is on their payroll.
@@FireOccator Than it up to Europeans to remove that payroll people
I figured it was their way of punishing me for using an ad block; delay the video for the length of time the ads would have run...
I see what you're doing there!
Thanks for this video!
This has been happening to me lately. It won't make me want to stop using Firefox, in fact it only solidifies my browser choice even more.
How long does it normally take you to load the youtube? Does 3-5 sec is ok for firefox?
I've been wondering why Firefox has been so sluggish and laggy compared to other browsers when using UA-cam.
This answers my question.
Remember when they replaced "Don't be evil" in their corporate code of conduct with "Do the right thing"?
yea, evil is always universal, but right - may be just for a small group
True
The right thing is what is right for them, don't be evil is a universal thing. The fact anyone actually says it's the same is crazy and shows how much people are deluded now by big business
define "right"
@@cl8804For Google I think it means "profitable" or perhaps "expands our sphere of influence"
Im in Europe and i have this, i noticed it since the beginning, but i assumed it was the ad-block detector trying to do its thing and slowing me down, but no, its exclusive to Firefox, i knew google did things like this in past (particularly with video previews not working in Firefox), this just proves that Google really needs to whipped hard into shape by some anti-monopoly lawsuits.
I am getting the same on a chromium browser. Thorium sometimes triggers this thing too. No idea why as the user agent should be perfectly valid. I also can't play Spotify with that browser which makes no sense.
Have you ever experienced the full UI to lock in a permanent loading while the video was playing fine?
I also had that, preventing me to navigate the website for around 10 seconds. Quite annoing.
@@tuttocrafting Yes. I've had that on Brave. There's an invisible frame in front of the window that won't let you do anything. If you were to some how block that as well, it should work like normal.
I don't have these issues with or without uBlock and with or without YT Premium on Fiefox on Linux. I live in the Philippines. I doubt it is the region. I always had more issues in the Philippines than in Germany before, when it comes to responsiveness of websites or download speeds in general.
But I can say for sure, that since I switched to Linux, everything, even website loading times, are faster.
It also happens on Chrome, it's extremely likely to be related to adblock detection
Usually what happens to me is the page just refuses to load altogether. Refreshing doesn't help, but opening a new tab with the same destination magically fixes it...
Stumbled upon this vidoe by chance, but i had this phenomenon since weeks now. I thought something was wrong with my firefox or I had installed one too many youtube enhancing addon.
Thanks a lot for this
Yup, I can confirm UA-cam is doing this. It's not even an anti-adblock thing anymore. They don't want people to use non Chrome browser. It's disgusting and underhanded.
Well they don't want people to use firefox so they can more effectively fuck their users with ads. Monopoly on viewership and all That.
on opera gx too can confirm
europe is about to do a lil trolling
Between a useless algorithm, blocking adblockers and arbitrarily delaying videos, google seem to be trying very hard to make youtube not worth using at all.
Google is showing that they hate the system of competition that made them the number 1 in the past. They don't want competition, they don't want more profit: they want NO competition and ALL the money.
@BERSERK_0_0_that's the point everyone should understand. In modern tech era there shouldn't be a singular alternative but set of alternatives that none of the alternatives dominates tech market.
@BERSERK_0_0_ The biggest one is ody+the-thing-you-do-with-your-eyes rn
@juettentube_ist_dreckcan you try to bypass it e.g. by doing this: - N a m e
Or
- N * a * m * e
Or sth else?
This also happens on Opera - although for only about 1 to 2 seconds.
I was using Firefox to view YT, but kept getting "you're using an ad-blocker" screens (even after disabling all my ad-blocker tweaks). Ironically, YT then proceeded to show their ads ** leading with one for an ad-blocking extension **, which came up around 75% of the time.
How long does it normally take you to load the youtube? Does 3-5 sec is ok for firefox?
thank you for the video and the suggestion for the extension
This is insane. It has to bring more competition, and open lawsuits.
think google can say it is just code to insure that the player is loading properly on other browsers running different engines
as a scapegoat for what may look like deliberate sabotage to the function of other browsers to load media on their platforms to control market share thus dictate investment and ad share
but they are not doing that
@@nicknevco215It is literally a 5 second javascript delay. They can't lie about this.
@@nicknevco215They still can't say that, because they tried this thing before, and they were fined by the EU. I only hope this "accident" gets where it needs to.
Nowadays you can’t really "bring more competition", at least not as in "develop a new browser"
twitter.com/iavins/status/1705621562676908397
@@nicknevco215you can't just say "it's the code", if it's your company and you made the code you're responsible for presenting the evidence and justification in more detail. that lie won't hold up under questioning if/when a lawsuit comes up, there's no legitimate reason. the thing is, lawsuits and fines just don't matter to them. they'll get caught but who cares, they budget for legal fees and fines every year and it's pennies for them.
As a Firefox user, this is considerably messed up and should be illegal.
It is illegal.
It’s veeery anti-competitive.
It’ll just take some time before US and/or EU reacts/becomes aware.
@@Mikkel111net neutrality is gone. it's perfectly legal to artificially throttle, block, or slow connections to certain users. as soon as net neutrality went away everyone just gave up. its like the reddit protests. they failed, and everyone gives up immediately.
WE NEED to spread the word and make people switch to firefox!
@@accountclosed8805 except you can then tell mozilla to stop asking and that's it.
@@accountclosed8805 At least it isn't constantly asking me to swipe my credit card to get basic features. Death to Chrome! Visa slava Firefox!!!!
You the man! They was very helpful and interesting.
I'm also experiencing this, the whole youtube is lagging- either in loading, pausing, commenting or anything, in every browser while using it with some klind of adblock.
This is why we need a competitor to UA-cam. We need to END this monopoly OURSELVES
We need a competitor to google itself, that would be better
It wont happen if the us keeps banning any real competitors
Don't you think it would've happened by now if it could? UA-cam operates at a pretty severe loss. Without Google's other sources of revenue it's impossible to sustain. They do it anyway because they're able and UA-cam offers them an easy way to control what people watch online. There's just no way an upstart could afford to maintain a userbase this huge and the insane amount of data needed to be stored and called upon every second. They'd inevitably have to sell out like UA-cam did with Google.
I believe China have their own video platform but it's China. There is also Japan's "niconico", i think.
They already exist, the problem is the lack of content.
We need to convince the big UA-camrs to switch to competitors.
Time for Google to make up their minds... First they push me to Firefox by making it the only browser where adblocking UA-cam still works reliably and now they don't want me there and add a 5 second delay? Like c'mon, what do you want from me?
Then again, it's kind of funny how they expect me to care about 5 seconds of silence, but not be driven away by 5 unskippable 30-second ads in a row...
I use brave and have zero issues
They probably want you to stop using their service for free 🙉 what a diabolical thing to do
@@Hiraichiif they dont want us to use UA-cam for free, then dont offer it for free?
@@Hiraichihe only gives his personal data so yeah, "free" service.
Pay for their fucking service… lol broke ass shenanigans
This is happening all the time to me, and its often well longer than the 5 seconds you mention, ever since the anti -ad blocker campaign started, I have found if you click home then back to the video it runs normally.
ive been using firefox for a while and it have noticed some slowdown on yt but i figured it was network lag (i am on wifi), but ever since watching this video yesterday it has been way more noticeable
I'm a FireFox user and this has happened to me a LOT. I thought it was weird when I'd try to go to a different website and it would work just fine. I don't even have any add-ons.
Just another example of Google and UA-cam's carelessness about its users 🤷♂
theyve made it painfully evident that their only interest lies with advertisers
I think you meant "hostility" rather than carelessness
I thought this was caused by adblocker but apparently not.
Google knows that EU is gonna try to antitrust their a$$ out of existence right?
Yup, I go between FireFox and Brave and have the same issue only on FireFox. It's been a thing for me for about a year I'd say. I just deal with it but it's funny that I only see it on UA-cam when using FF.
It's not carelessness, it's malice.
When I see big tech do stuff like this it just makes me feel extremely justified for being a revanced enjoyer
Can you give the link to download revanced? Or at least tell where to find it
@@violinher0you have to make the APK with the revanced manager
@@hrhodes2768it says split apk when i select youtube and doesnt allow me to mod it. Why?
@@hrhodes2768makes sense that you gotta use a code borker to bork youtube code to make better youtube app
It seems like youtube has deleted my replies to the guy asking for the revanced link because i directly gave the link in the replies.
Using Opera GX have had huge uptick in slow load/buffering issues in last two weeks. Thought it was network issue, thanks for putting me straight.
I'm not sure if it's the same thing, but I've had issues with longer load times for videos, and even longer load times on live chat
As a moderator for a streamer, this makes things very difficult for me because if anything goes wrong I'm not able to do anything for upwards of 5+ minutes before youtube finally decides to let me back in
I loved the part where Alphabet Inc. publically announced "It's Googlin' time." And universally ruined the experience of their users and threatened their own buisness' integrity because of their poor desicions. Truly one of the "the FBI suggests people use an adblocker" moments of all time.
this is the most immature comment here. I love it.
@@idiotwithagun8884fr, but bro forgot he doesnt have to specify “them” at the end cuz we know
Gold 😂
@@Ryuga117 what do you mean?
Is this an AI comment?
I'm impressed that Google keeps doubling down instead of taking an L, backing off for six months, then developing some new stealth pro-ad function after collective memory fades. A severe Streisand effect is happening instead, it's great.
They govt has their back, they're good
@@kylespevak6781how?
@@engi3583 Literally all of the ways they get to censor, yet the freedoms of a utility. Best of both worlds always, because the govt also uses them and their "fact checkers" to push/hide certain opinions
@@kylespevak6781 The EU tech commission will fall on them like a ton of bricks
@@quisqueyanguy120google IS the internet now, not like EU can count on Russian data servers and infrastructure.
I mean, waiting for an unskippable ad is much worse than waiting for Five Seconds
Heard about google getting rid of adblock years ago. switched to firefox that day. Can't believe it's finally happening
I recently switched to mainly using Firefox after UA-cam started it's anti-ad war campaign and I've been noticing these slower load times too. I just assumed it was to do with the adblocker I was using battling it out for five seconds, but now I know the truth. There is no way this can be legal, and if it somehow is legal then it shouldn't. This is really f'd up. Thanks for exposing this!
Fun fact: It actually wouldn't be legal for them to do this, as it would violate anti-trust laws in the US, especially if it was found that Google was intentionally targeting it's competitors. I'm a little more willing to believe it's a result of adblock as some chrome users have noticed this too, but it's still wild to think about. The only reason I don't think it's an intentional decision to slow down Firefox is because Google is already in the midst of a massive lawsuit right now, and it would only make their position even worse
It is illegal. That's the funny thing. Also like blocking ad blockers isn't legal I think. But now Google does market manipulation. And the EU really doesn't like this.
@@mayravixx25 did you even watch the video. They have javascript code that does this and if this was not true then they would not have a reason to delete the reditt comment. they are definetly hiding something
pretty much same with me
It's their site, they can do whatever they want... our option? Let's find better website than youtube.
I thought my internet was just having issues. Incredible how far they're willing to go to enforce their google supremacy
Same here
I guess i'm changing to firefox on android as well now. I'm ashamed to admit, but i have been paying for premium for 5 years, i guess its time to support adblockers instead.
I had also assumed that it was just my internet as well.
Same!
I actually do have Internet issues on my desktop that make using browsers difficult for the OS, so I'd never even notice this problem until I load up a VM to browse. 🙃
Firefox (my daily driver), Edge, and Chrome all have trouble loading and refreshing pages, and Steam has trouble uploading data. Discord and games all are unaffected, as are any browsers I use within a VM. Only thing I haven't tested is running a VM on my boot drive to verify it isn't undetected failing hardware, since I store all my images on a different drive.
That 5 second load time has been happening on Opera too for a while
I noticed this phenomenon a week or two ago when YT started to mess around and find out about people's reaction to their adblocking misadventure. At the time I thought my videos take longer to load because of the new adblocker I switched to, I only now found out from your video they were experimenting by another disgusting (and potentially illegal) practice.... However, looks like this 5sec delay only lasted for a few days and they abandoned the idea. All they managed to achieve is me using a better adblocker and even stronger determination never to use chrome again (except the type that comes in 600ml spraycans >:) )
3:42 apparently this code has to do with handling adblockers and not necessarily Firefox or other non-chrome browsers, but the mitigations I cover around 9:30 still work to bypass the 5 second delay.
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I have had this exact issue whenever i open a new page it takes way longer to load for no apparent reason. But only sometimes and sometimes it works just fine.
lol lmao
Yup
Yup, I'm facing the same issue with Brave browser.
UA-cam, runs ads on creators and doesn't pay them.
Also UA-cam, forces you to watch those ads and say pay for premium that won't support the creators.
Disgusting.
No there are enough solutions how to watch yt without advertising....just search for it with some search engine that is not google....yandex for example....works perfect
Under 1% are creators other 99% uploading other peoples work or commenting on other people work by showing the videos but muting it and repeating the talking themselves that is gross part.
corporations need that money so they can continue to have the funding to censor the internet and hold complete control over technological development
@@user-dd5kj2mj6kgive them an inch...
It seems to be where the ad would have been I have seen these blackouts happen.
I run Firefox in Fedora Linux and this crap has been causing me all kinds of problems on top of the 5 second delay the last few days. Videos that won't play. Videos that just buffer endlessly. Videos that need a couple of refreshes to start, Videos that stop halfway through and WILL NOT get going again. So soon after the adblocker controversy just makes it look more sinister.
It's not about the wait times, it's about not experiencing the obnoxious advertising on YT. If YT wasn't so obnoxious with their ads, I wouldn't use adblock.
The more people using adblockers, the worst will be the experience for those who don’t use it.
@@nagyFerkothat’s an abusive way to frame it.
Here is a simplification of what is happening: “entitled” users act out, UA-cam gets mad and punished all users.
Let’s change the players: an “entitled” child acts out, their parent gets mad and punishes the other siblings.
See what I mean? You shouldn’t be mad your siblings got you punished, you should be mad your parent was abusive enough to harm you because of it. Same with this scenario, companies punishing you for the behaviour of others is wrong.
EDIT; if you were just being dramatic, and already knew that, then ignore this. But some people, much like abuse victims, really do genuinely believe it’s other users at fault for their worse experience when it was UA-cam who did it.
@@nagyFerkowell that’s obviously their problem, as you see FF marketshare is minuscule, and ads gotten ridiculous. I don’t feel bad for people stupid enough to keep supporting the monopoly, I’d rather support creators through any other means than watching snowball system ads, military recruitment aimed at prepubescent kids, screaming chimpanzees, or adidas next pseudo inclusive praise of certainly early death inducingly obese rainbowflag folks while at the same time producing shoes in Chinese concentration camps.
As the og comment said, it’s not about ads per se but the kind of ads that yt supports, even tho they are in an exclusive situation of having the worlds biggest choice and influence of the kind of ads they could push while choosing to prefer the most fraudulent, greenwashing and harmful to society ones.
Promoting things like government spending (which is FAKE and could lead to scams) and Temu (which is made by China and has a VERY shady background).
Idk id probably use an adblocker regardless. Not gonna sit here and pretend that I like seeing ads.
I'm actually hoping and praying that google DOES get broken up. I want UA-cam split off. If anything to make it smaller and easier to compete with, so alt tech gets more eyeballs.
As much as I want to agree, youtube is deeply unprofitable as a business model, so they'd be likely to go under. There's a reason they have no direct competitors.
If UA-cam split from Google it would collapse in seconds, and if it somehow survived, the user experience and aggressive corporate strategies would get worse. Don't knee-jerk, think.
Everything Google touches it fumbles into oblivion.
I'm honestly surprised UA-cam hasn't gotten the spear through the back yet considering everything else good and bad just spontaneously combusts over there.
The issue is UA-cam is not and will never be profitable
For those saying UA-cam isn't profitable, let's look at some stats, they don't say if it's profitable, but gives you some ideas:
UA-cam Premium subscribers is at 80 million in 2022, from 50 million in 2021
UA-cam generated $29.2 billion revenue in 2022, a 1.3% increase year-on-year.
It's projected to reach $30.4 billion in 2023, a 4% increase. Also, Statista reported that UA-cam's global advertising revenues were around $29.24 billion, up by just under 2% from the previous fiscal period's $28.8 billion.
From 2020:
On an annual basis, Google says UA-cam generated $15 billion last year and contributed roughly 10 percent to all Google revenue. Those figures make UA-cam’s ad business nearly one fifth the size of Facebook’s, and more than six times larger than all of Amazon-owned Twitch.
So yes, UA-cam generated less money per user than Twitch or Facebook, but still a LOT of money.
From the same article:
Google Search generated an eye-popping $98.1 billion in 2019, the company says, but that’s just a 15 percent increase over 2018. UA-cam, on the other hand, grew from $11.2 billion in 2018 to $15.15 billion last year, a 36.5 percent jump.
Google Cloud made $2.6 billion in revenue for the quarter, the report reveals.
From an article in 2023:
Google’s parent company reported that sales were up 11 percent from a year ago while profit jumped 42 percent to $19.7 billion.
Note: how sales went up very little, but profits went up a lot.
"Advertising sales at UA-cam, Google’s video platform, climbed 12 percent to $7.95 billion, just ahead of the $7.8 billion expected by analysts."
So if ad sales kind of correspond across different Alphabet companies then UA-cam's profits went up a lot. Probably not 42 percent, but still a lot.
Its people like you that make google a better place (sarc). Thanks for the simplified explanation.
BTW, my old laptop takes 19 sec to load a YT vid, UBlock have cut that by half!!!
With often actualization of a certain addons mentioned in this video you will be good and dandy. Ther are some peoples in this world that set goal to fight against commercials, so we should be thankful for them, without them we would drown in commercials madness.
Google deserves as much public scrutiny as Microsoft if not more for trying to push Chrome deep down our holes whenever we access Google's websites through Edge, Firefox, Brave etc. The "switch to Chrome" pop-ups have been getting absolutely ridiculous lately. And now they're going several steps further to slow down the experience for non-Chrome users. "Don't be evil" eh?
Microsoft also deserves way more scrutiny, they should have been snipped much harder in the 90s
Microsoft hasn't had "scrutiny" since the early 2000's. And all they got was a slap on the wrist. Both Microsoft and Google need to meet AT&T or Standard Oil's fate.
I Hope Google will get the same EU reality check treatment that micro$ just got.
Brave is a chromium browser. It's just a chrome reskin.
@@amiablereaper So is Edge.
This reminds me of when Microsoft decided to put in some code in Windows 3x series that would make the software not run on DR-DOS but would run on MS-DOS just fine for which Microsoft was sued for as the developers of DR-DOS subsequently lost a lot of customers and it is safe to say that into the release of Windows 95, DR-DOS was not much of a thing anymore.
The specific code was called "AARD CODE" and the lawsuit against it led to a $250mil settlement towards Caldera Inc. which purchased DR-DOS IP according to Wikipedia (I did not know about this huge settlement before looking it up just now)...
Very interesting info.
When you are a monopoly on a market, you are not incentivized to improve, but to suppress competition. As UA-cam and Internet services move towards this direction, an increased drive towards decentralization will occur. Already platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram are experiencing issues with constant expansion. Over time, captured markets are devalued by their own actions, until consumers are forced to move towards open or new markets, etc.
if that got Microsoft sued then the same thing absolutely should happen for Google as well. companies should not be allowed to knock down competition with those sorts of dirty practises and i hope more people find out about this so something happens. i'm also confused as to why companies seem to think people just won't bother looking into their code to find fishy things... like do they not know or not care?
@@jacobp8294 their is even a term for it enshittification
now the question is: this fine is it lower than the money they made, probably yes, in the long term and then it just becomes a cost of doing business
i really not noticing this until i turn off my adblock and how smooth the loading is, i'm so used to it being shit
I use Firefox and wondered about this delay. This reminds me of the Microsoft antitrust case with internet explorer. I can see this possibly turning into a big problem for Google as this is technically an anti competitive practice against Firefox…
This is worse than anything MS did to Netscape back in the browser wars with the bundling, this is injecting malicious code to make your competitors products seem broken to their customers.
@@treelineresearch3387search "msn opera user agent". This is exactly what MS did!
There's no 'technically' about it, it's completely blatant.
This is a legit problem that I have been facing for months now. To the point it has been blatantly obvious that they have been doing this. I experience issues where they even make the home page not fully load. Thanks for putting this out there. I really hope Google faces the consequences.
Not in the USA, there will never be consequences.
The USA have a completely rigged judicial system which is not favoring the right thing, but the richest company.
It’s absolutely disgusting and it would never be like this in Europe!
The USA court system needs to be overthrown and finally justice has to be the deciding factor!
Yeah, same, on Firefox mobile app. That's why I installed brave for my phone.
i literally had that issue yesterday, thought it was just youtube redux acting up
Also if you use YT music you need to reload the site, because the music does not load on the first try.
i am glad you said about the EU and google with youtube. i can see some massive fines coming down the road. they really do have some nasty ways.
Thank you, I pay attention to java scripting. Mine was directing to my Tor browser with increase delays..
Google is asking to get sued heavily, that can't be legal. Also that information should be spread everywhere on the internet, maybe it will convince more people, including normies who wouldn't care much otherwise, to switch to some non-Chromium browser.
It's anti-competitive behaviour and I'm sure if the FTC caught wind and isn't corrupted by Google's lobbying money, they'd hold them accountable.
The EU may also "bully" (in this content creators words) Google into behaving ethically but the outcome would only apply to EU countries
the sorce is trust me bro and reddit why are Gen Z mindless sheep
@@MauseDaysare you okay?
@@MauseDays bot
i swiched chrome to Thorium no more yt bs now everything work like before xdd
Google did the same thing years ago back when Firefox was getting into the whole rapid-release thing, they got caught intentionally increasing UA-cam loading times if you used a browser that wasn't based on Chromium. This isn't new, and not all that surprising that they're attempting to get away with this again.
However, this seems much worse...
pretty sure this is going to make the EU courts even more likely to fine them large sums of money...
Glory to the brotherhood
Last time they hid their intentions by using a new browser API that "just so happened" to not be supported by Firefox very well yet. This time the devs didn't even bother...
i've noticed this actually just on Opera too, exactly the same
As a person with slow internet, it is great to be acknowledged 😭😭🙏🙏🙏🙏(2:55) I can barely play any online game because I keep getting teleported backwards.
09:48
This just shows how even if Google desperately tries to force everyone into their ecosystem like they want it to be, there will always be ways out
Realisticaly though if youtube force ads. It will fail
Because youtube videos are too much clickbait, disapointing, many minutes of time wasting instead of getting to the point
You have youtubers who on top of ads. Do sponsor videos like nordvpn or some internet games
It will collapse. People dont want to go on website where half their watch time is ads. And their other half is most of time clickbait/sponsor/time wasting
If they need money. How about be more chill about monetisation. And stop find any small joke reason to demonetise creators or videos
Maybe it's inevitable that every entity becomes a tyrant if it stays too long and has too much power. I started using Google maybe around 2001, and at that time Google was a minority search engine and most people were using Yahoo and others. I promoted Google to people around me. Even near 2010, Google/G-mail was still minority here until Android came in.
@@mathewvanostin7118 If they want money they should get a real job. "Content creator, influencer, vblogger." Only hobbists make valuable stuff. And pretty often there are no ads on their channel.
@@typingcatHistory teaches us that everything will eventually turn to ruin, either by their owns hands or sheer ignorance.
you do know that it's your behavior that creates incentive for Google to do this right? And if you want it to stop YOU have to stop being clueless about your data and online decisions. You cannot blame these tech giants when they use their keys to the city to shut off your water, so they can sell you bottled Google water. You gave them the keys and said "use every loophole to make the most possible money as quickly as possible, and if you don't we'll sue you". That's the reality of being a publicly traded internet corporation.
Your decisions inform their behavior. Until you all realize this and take responsibility for your own data and the laws being passed under your noses by corporate lawyers on your behalf, nothing can change. They are doing what, according to your choices, they are legally obligated to do. And that's to monopolize your attention, and divide you up into targeted leads for advertising platforms.
You wanted the "free" service model. You offer up your raw data in exchange. This is YOUR fault. Don't be out here acting like a victim.
UA-cam fighting AD block users is like UA-cam looking through the living room couch for spare change.
i'm not so sure about that when 60% of users is using some sort of adblock
@@fissavids8767show me scam and other harmful stuff and I will avoid it anyway I can 🤷
Fiss, users who use adblock do so because the ads themselves are too intrusive. It's like an idiot banging pots in your living room, you can pay them to leave, but they will come back, or you can just install locks in your house to stop the idiot from breaking in.
can’t believe they are trying to block ad blockers, so stupid. Internet users felt so free back in the mid 2010s with Adblock so those repetitive annoying kinds of UA-cam ads can go away, but now Google finally wants to do something about it, which is just dumb
It’s not just Firefox, I had this happen on Google Chrome too. Smh my head UA-cam.
5:35 I used the same analogy to explain why my Scion is a Toyota and why birds are the same as dinosaurs. Two thumbs up bro
Im glad there are people there to expose those actions. Its impossible for someone less tech savy to even expect a browser is being faked as being slow.
exposeing what the sorce is trust me bro and reddit why are Gen Z mindless sheep
source : several witnesses and the actual source code, must be a coincidence i guess
The source code is inconclusive@@louisauffret
Yeah I find myself automatically descend into a foul mood every time I start using UA-cam. It’s like being in an abusive relationship where just going about your normal activities gets you nothing but a negative reaction and disrespectful attitudes.
Same. I've noticed I can wake up in a good mood, and after 20 minutes of youtube, I'd feel like crap.
Or its like getting one of the greatest resources in human history for free? Don't be so god damn dramatic
You may want to check your spelling. I think you meant "Modern marriage"
Sounds a lot like my ex 😅
I was 3 steps ahead of the ad blocking for a while now. Hardened browser with a moustache, dns sink all that jazz for me and ublock origin for everyone who asked for a better browsing experience.
Everyone is ringing me up! UA-cam isnt working anymore! That youtube app you installed is gone! (re/vanced got removed by Play protect).
This is virtual burglary!
I had this problem on chrome as well with all my extensions disabled. Was a good reason for me to switch to using another browser.
Yup. This delay has been happening to me for about the last two weeks now. No changes to any software or hardware on my part; the delay just started happening one day.
It isn't just firefox. It's pretty much any browser that has UB enabled. Their JS loads a kinda 'blank' overlay and checks if it's being blocked or not. This is trash-tier behavior from Google and I hope they are held accountable for this sometime in the near future
It blows my mind that companies think intrusive advertising actually works. A study by Wunderkind showed that 91% of shoppers will not buy from brands they have seen intrusively advertised on UA-cam and Facebook videos. It does nothing but ruin the experience. It's one of the many reason I quit Facebook, and if I didn't have Premium, I'd probably quit UA-cam because of it. It will get to a point where both platforms will end up dead because people do not want to watch adverts.
I grew up when ad time was regulated during the 3-hour primetime block. You got 5 minutes out of 30 and 10 out of 60. 1978 comes along and bamm! deregulation of that restriction means they can put whatever amt they want. So we now have 10 or so out of 20 and 20 or so out of 60. When I signed up with netflix dvd in 2006 and then came streaming (I had directv too with HBO and couple of other 'premium' channels), I was happy. Streaming meant no ads and no on-screen crap like channel logos and hashtags. I still have their streaming, along with amazon prime and paramount+. I am waiting to see how amazon destroys their currently-free-of-ads video function before I pay $3/month to get rid of them.
I could not sit through any current tv show with the ad structure. As for UA-cam, well, incognito windows are working for now (I watch them there and come back to the regular window to like and comment).
Ads on phones drive me up the wall. If they were static, I'd deal with them, but they are all despicable video for crap I will never buy. Besides, I've always felt that by using video ads you are stealing my cpu's power to run the ad. I don't like that.
Oh, here's another way to pick and choose whose products / services to buy: If a company is a corporate naming rights john for a stadium or event, then I go out of my way to NOT buy their stuff. I can't avoid them all, but I do my best. To me naming rights is the same as the world's oldest profession. College bowl games and stadiums of all sorts are the common examples. I still don't buy Tostitos stuff because they were the john for the fiesta bowl for 18 years. I'll eat them, I just won't buy them, as I don't want to be thought of as being so easily manipulated because they were the john for the event. Yeah, my friends and family think I might have lost a screw or two.
Yup. Greedy and shameless imbeciles can't actually control people just because they have market share.
The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
Im on the same boat when they introduced short. But now I subscribe to spotify instead. It’s got whole lot better than before as I remembered. The downside is the video functionality
Wait: you pay for evil? Seriously?
I guess someone has to if it isn't us because we have better options than paying for what essentially is "We are selling the solution to our own problem we started in the first place." - Google @@grandstarstudiosFORMER-YT
As a Firefox user, I bet someone will make an addon to fix it.
So I just installed that extension, refreshed this page. Immediately 10x better than before.
Yup, can confirm the User-Agent Switcher instantly fixes the issue. This is really bad for Google, since there is no possible excuse or explanation other than unfair competitive practices.
Considering how in the code is noted "ad-interrumpting" for the delay, my guess is they planned to argue the function is not to slow down firefox but rather to create a delay for the ad to play which only doesn't play due to user-side alterations, creating an empty space when using ad-block.
@@Pedroebut I wondered why I have been getting a lot of very short ads recently (6 seconds length). You are probably onto something. I personally only block the minimum of ads, using my own method which allows most ads through, but allows blocking the obnoxious or overly long video ads and lets all page ads (picture) through as normal.
@@Pedroebut the problem is that is is actually happening with those who payed for premium too, I got premium from a friend and Firefox has to reload for me the same way. It's not just for ads that are being blocked, it's purposefully trying to make Firefox a worse viewing experience
yeah, competition should make companiey strive for innovation. Hurting competitors is not innovation and actually counteracts innovation
"Experimental feature" is just another way to say, future implementation by google
"Sir, the test feature report is here! Take a lo-"
"Just merge that shit already."
Not always, they sometimes killing experimental features.
But still I changed to other chromium based browsers.
this also happens to me on opera after playing like 5 videos in a queue it starts and gets progressively worse
Thank you so much for highlighting this. I thought I had a failing graphic card. It started happening on my 2nd PC so the card was not going to be the problem. Was it a virus? So, again, ta muchly for clearing it up. AND it happens with Opera and Windows browsers.
Apparently this is happening to Microsoft Edge, Brave, and Opera also. The audacity of UA-cam is abhorrent, and absolutely infuriating.
Yeah, I also experienced it with Microsoft Edge and Opera GX that is just crazy
Oh no i use brave
My college is fucked they use Edge exclusively
Brave seems unaffected so far.
@@le0shadow i think its starting to happen with me, the videos are loading for a few seconds
EDIT: nvm it was a network issue