Six Nations - Round 3 Preview | Calcutta Cup Special
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2024
- It’s a big week for the home nations with Scotland v England & Ireland v Wales.
How do Scotland find consistency? How do England find another level? Are Ireland ambling to the Slam, can Wales young guns make themselves famous?
On this week’s show Payno, Hask and Tins dive into all of the above as the Guinness Six Nations reaches the midway mark.
Season 4 is sponsored by Continental Tyres.
0:01 - Intro
0:44 - Show Starts
2:58 - England
14:03 - Scotland
23:09 - Defending
27:36 - Eng v Sco - The History
30:55 - Ireland v Wales
37:45 - France v Italy
38:57 - Zach Mercer Situation
40:57 - Heycar Selects
44:44 - Predictions
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Methinks Haskell needs to switch to decaf!!!! The lad’s on a tear and super twitchy ha ha ha
super jumpy! my man sounds like video is playing double speed ffs!
He's starting to act like McGregor 😂
Yes , like Irish imported rugby players he runs much better on Guinness .
One other thing , is it not a bit school boy to make a knockout tournament run every four years , with dodgy refs , tmo etc the be all and end all . Regular grand slams will do for me
Woof!
Tindall is just doing what we all wish we could do.... Scroll OF while dropping massive rugby wisdoms to an audience... Let the man be!
Haskell with a great description on the blitz defence tbf
In fairness to Hask and Tins - they were great defenders each and know their stuff, particularly Hask on the overall systems and structures used.
0:01 - Intro
0:44 - Show Starts
2:58 - England
14:03 - Scotland
23:09 - Defending
27:36 - Eng v Sco - The History
30:55 - Ireland v Wales
37:45 - France v Italy
38:57 - Zach Mercer Situation
40:57 - Heycar Selects
44:44 - Predictions
You say 14 minutes it’s about Scotland but then it’s about England’s defense 🤷🏻♂️
I'm not sure about Ireland, as someone of French ancestry, I think they are playing better than they ever have, but maybe France aren't as good as we thought, and maybe Italy not scoring a single point against them was an anomaly, I don't think that was the case, I think Ireland are a hell of a side, but let's see.
Loved the D insights, great pod as always 👏
really enjoyed the explanation of the english defensive system
The problem with that system? England do not have the players the Boks do. That is why that system is so successful for the Boks. At every level of that blitz defense? Boks have world class players. Back row, wingers, centers and a brilliant defensive 9 (Faf). From Kolbe shutting down access to wider channels to PSDT sending attacks bundling backwards. Boks have the talent & skill to execute a high, high risk system. England do not.
Interesting to see the lasting grumpiness about the Scotland thing.
As an Englishman, I think Scotland win, but I am so pleased to see we now have one No10, and a 12 and a 13, I think this is laying the foundation of a England squad in the future.
The England A match is live on the England rugby UA-cam channel (12.50 stream start) on Sunday.
Fair enough Mike 👍
All teams must be able to win ugly sometimes in crunch games to pull out a victory, but................only England seems to think that that's a good blueprint for every bloody game.
Worked pretty well in the WC. Gotta give credit where it's due, they have a new coach, it's not going to be pretty for a while. Look at Farrell with Ireland, people have very short memories.
@@joeboonmusic4004you beat 1 tier 1 rugby nation in the World Cup, you got to the semi final because of a skewed draw that took place 3 and a half years before the competition. Strange a lot of pundits said England would continue to dine out on reaching the semi final and I can see that here. England haven’t beaten a team above them in the world rankings since 2021 but Andy Farrell and his team have beaten every team above and below them and are still on to win rugbys richest prize for two years running , dont drag the Irish down with the English its just pathetic…
@@joeboonmusic4004 Yeah I'm really not sure why people are so happy about the RWC tbh. Yes they did better than expected, but laboured through matches in the easier side of the draw. A decent strategy pushed the boks to the wire but ultimately we lost for the same reason as in 2019 i.e. no scrummaging depth, except this time it was in the SF instead of the final. That so many England fans were happy about that shows the complete lack of any ambition in the English rugby community imho.
@@davidwalker2402 Way to miss my point entirely, bravo. I'm not dragging anybody down ffs, don't be so delicate. I'm saying that Farrell didn't get everything instantly clicking WHEN HE STARTED COACHING THEM. They were average to begin with. After 2 YEARS things started turning into something special and now we have, unarguably, the best team in the NH.
People moan about the draw but they played what was in front of them. In 2019 they had to beat Aus (when they were good), NZ and then SA on the trot.
Also 'rugby's richest prize'... I think you'll find that's the WC, something Ireland haven't come within 3 rounds of winning. Admit it, man, you just don't like England. No one is 'dining out' on England reaching the semis (although it's funny that, yet again, they got further than everyone else whilst everyone else moans about the draw). We got there after changing coaches one tournament before the WC. That's why I'm saying credit is deserved.
You are after all dining out on it. Read your own post and perhaps watch your own team. I have always admired good English players. At the moment I can’t see any starting for France or Ireland and only 3 or 4 for Scotland. Time to try and bring through the young talent. Care, Ford,Slade, Tuilagi all past their best. No front row. Good players 5 to 8 but without Lawes no world class.
Yes! Zach Mercer!! Didn’t know he could play for 🏴! Hope to see his name up there
Hask good shout on the NFL reference. Its Bill Walsh not Steve Walsh tho 😂
James doesn’t let anyone get a word in.
🤔 Let's hear your predictions for this weekend's action...
Scotland by 10 (I wish!!!). Fin and co blow the press defense apart with excellence of handling and our forwards blast the English pack off the field. England don’t have it in them to come back from more than 10 points in arrears as they’ve got no positive offensive plan to go with. The days of Ingurrland physically dominating are pretty much over thanks to professional and cross-border tournaments.
Having said that, England are due a result this time round but I’m also pretty sure that Roots will get sent off for taking Russell out late and high.
Love a Calcutta preview with three English blokes, brilliant
Option 2! Playing better than just winning. Either Finn Smith or Marcus Smith as fly half. Have Ford on the bench.
As per Tinds I’d like to see close losses with experimental flowing rugby than just wining but not growing. We need to do this now to build for the next few years.
Unfortunately Borthwick will be judged on wins and perhaps that drives a particular strategy
That's so funny that they mentioned Mike's phone use on the last podcast as I had been wondering what he was doing too!! Great to have an answer but I have to say, being on your phone is not a good look while you''re doing the podcast ;-)
Results build confidence. When you have records like Ireland or SA its easy to have the confidence to risk more.
I think both just have a level of player 1 to 23 that can play how they want to play. Like having Ryan Baird come on at 65 minutes running at props who think they're defending a 22 exit must be exhausting.
South Africa have two of the best packs in the world in their 23
😂😂 brilliant lads
Couldn't agree more with Tindall. I felt a little better after Italy as they seemed to try some things.
Ireland by 20
Maybe not
I think I'm right that you've misunderstood the international eligibility rules here, lads. Mercer was not qualified for Scotland at birth - only through residency - therefore he cannot 'requalify' for Scotland, having already been capped by England.
haskel sounds like sponge bob on speed
Line or two James...
The definitely think South Africa will beat England this weekend 🎣
Scotland by 6
I think we (England) are going to get hammered
Does the Good, the bad and the rugby have your address?
Please stop talking over each other!!!
Stop shouting
Indoor voice please
Agreed.
@@James-st9uu😂😂😂
23.00 to 24.00 is unbearable
Richard wigglesworth attacking coach is massive question mark.
Wales loads more new players who are very inexperienced but they all know their roles & how the team wants to play. Much more potential than England has. Also why England persist with has beens.
I don't think Wales have more potential... at all. England are slowly but surely bringing in plenty of youngsters and teams like Northampton and Bath are performing on the biggest stages. England are sticking with 'has beens' because you can't just switch a whole squad around instantly, Borthwick got thrown in at the deep end, change has to be gradual.
@@joeboonmusic4004 why can’t you make sweeping changes??? If you lose with has beens or lose with youngsters it’s a loss. Rather lose trying to install a way of play & continuity not letting has beens milk the money train playing shit & not be here in 4 years
@@user-lm2wz5qf5o That's just not how it works. With the personnel on offer, they need a balance of experience and youth. Just look at the most recent great SA and NZ squads - a balanced side built around younger players and experienced heads. Cole is still one of the best scrummagers in the country, George is a great old-school hooker and captain, Itoje (though not old) is getting back to his best. Plus, having players like Ford, Daly and Slade in the squad gives you cool heads in moments of hardship, that can win games. You can't just throw everyone in because they're young and promising... not only because it would fail miserably but because that would be terrible for those young players' mentality.
@@joeboonmusic4004 just highlights the state of English rugby really. Only Ford offers something of value the rest you named have had a questionable England career.
Haskell: I would be happy if England were amazing in defence, kicked the ball, affected turnovers and counter attacked from turnovers" Tindall nods in agreement . Hang on.. isn't that South Africa "not playing any rugby"?
Jones is a great coach but he was the Boks attack coach and not defence
Do you have double doors on the way out ? You will need them for Haskells head and mouth, thank god for Mr T 🤗
I don’t care how we play this weekend as long as we win.
The Calcutta Cup is the only chance for Scotland to win anything- ever!
😊I think Hask needs a pee break!
Hask is a bit salty about the Calcutta Cup.. it's just a game of rugny, mate
id take a loss if the ball was passed around effectively.
Tim should be on this
Someone needs to lay off the china dust before the record button gets pressed 😂
Sounds like Scotland have gotten right up your noses. Glorious! 😂
It doesn't matter what ENG do, they will be criticised for anything and everything that falls short of the NZ semi final in 2019... And that would be from ENG 'fans'.
Wales lose their games, struggle to put more than half a game together and everyone gives them a pat on the back....
“They only drug test players not pundits. Right?” Asked Haskell. Acting like a ‘cainer’
I saw improvements in our overall play today, however, the handling and unforced errors were in in unbearable l tipi goes by Lawrence throwing the ball out of play. There are still better players to come into this team but some of the attack tactics are infuriating. When something doesn’t work, stop doing it aka kicking the ball but not into touch, the Scot’s were lapping it up. Also how easy we implode momentum is infuriating. Team I’d like to see versus Ireland:
Baxter, George, Cole
Coles, Martin
Pearson, Barbeary, Earl
Spencer, F Smith
Steward, Freeman
Roebuck, Furbank, Feyi-Waboso
Bench: Marler, Dan, Heyes, Chessum, CCS, Quirke, M Smith, Murley
Scotland has beaten England 4x in the past 6 years, 1 draw, and 1 defeat England yet we have the biggest playing pool (700k registered players) vs Scotland with 49k registered players, 14 Teams vs Scotland with 2 pro teams, we have the biggest budget and biggest stadium's.
Ireland have proven that it's not about the numbers, why do people always go on about the player pool? Scotland poaches tons of players from England and SA too...
New Zealand has more registered players playing soccer than rugby. 175000 rugby players.
When Hask starts talking I start skipping forward 😂
Homeless Haskell
Simple answer is the most obvious one with Ireland. It's got little to do with having fewer teams or minutes. Scotland and Italy have all that and its pretty negligible. Ireland or Leinster just have a level of player post 2010 that's like nothing Ireland has seen before and each generation is building on the last and better than the last. Each Ireland U20 team is generally better than the last for the last 6 years, running, and the level of player they're turning out is getting better and more frequent.
every year, a Keenan, like 2021 or Doris in 2022 or Sheehan in 2023 or McCarthy in 2024, pushes through. Most likely someone will break through in 2025 as well. That's ultimately the difference. You hand them players to Italy Wales England or Scotland they go up a level regardless of how they ise them or what system they're in.
Hey you with the non-mariners tatts. "Any chance you could verbalise without using blankety-blank blank foul language?
Early days of Andy Farrell with Ireland were great performances but ultimate losses...and look what's happened...so I think they're right...the England team have to try stuff, and then develop, and not worry about losing. The issue is that the English media will hound the players and Borthwick if they don't win!
Get rid of bortwick and get someone who wants to actually play a real game of rugby…
The difference is great performances followed by losses. Have England produced great performances ?
@@davidwalker2402 Can the RFU afford to get rid of Borthwick - aren't they still paying EJ?! I think they pulled the trigger on Borthwick before doing any due diligence. It's not Borthwick's fault - he showed a (dull) brand of winning rugby with Leicester!
@@nicholaskeenan211 You have the richest union in the world bar none, the most resources of any country 3 times mor rugby players than any other country in the world, go figure
@@nicholaskeenan211 Don't bother trying to reason with this guy, he's a boring mouthpiece who uses rugby as a vehicle to air his own prejudices.
I have been a big believer in result over performance, Italy play some excellent rugby and everyone says they are getting better but always lose. Yes people remember performance but history books remember results! I think this is a new set up, yes borthwick has had the helm for a while but he had to think of the World Cup and be conservative. People would of absolutely destroyed him if we didn’t get out of the group stages, also going back about performance over result, we did not light the world up in the WC but if we beat SA, World Cup final plying that style of rugby and who knows, would people then say I wish we played better rugby and lost. NO. I think we have 4 years to try things, v Wales I thought we had a plan to really go at them and 2 yellow cards changed that. Result over performance for me! I could rant all day but I always feel like we are half glass empty.
England are likely to win only 2 out of 5. I can’t see them beating Ireland, France or Scotland.
So… win 2 out of 5 playing awful rugby or win 2 out of 5 giving it a go. Up to you.
People said England wouldn’t get out of the group stages, we were definitely going to be beaten in the QFs, hell no chance on the SF - conversely also saw Ireland making it to a final of WC (at least a SF) - so I guess we will have to see how it plays out.
@@mlguy8376 what top tier side did England beat at the world cup?
@@mlguy8376 England needed a dodgy TMO reversal to beat Samoa. Wind your neck in.
@@jlm4455 a dodgy TMO in the group stage lol. Pumas and Japan who are arguably better than Samoa no? - yet played the champions and lost in the SFs. Take that given how bad were are.
I'd hardly call that England performance against Ireland in twickenham one of their best? They never got close of scoring a try, kicked constantly, only way into the game was the scrum which World Rugby came out after saying the ref got half of those calls wrong.
Scotland by 3
Ireland lost marginally to NZ, England got through because they didn’t face any decent opposition
Ireland by 12 + Scotland by 3 and France by 6
People want to win that’s the reality.
Did Hask actually say "the most winningest side ever"? Disgusting.
The premiership plays fewer games than URC & Top 14 now. Needs to stop being an excuse
Hard watch, turned it off. 3 people talking at once
Haskell triggered 😂😂😂😂
Haskell is ruining it. He needs binning off for someone less arrogant and self important
Be fair. The chap comes from a deprived background where they had to fight for every crum on offer at the poor-house.
not a fan of steve Borthwick i would like to see us place fast free flowing rugby rather than kicking it all the time we should of got Steve Hansen in
Tins, Scotland lost the game against France. Tries can go for or against you in tight situations, that is why teams should kill off games they're bossing.
In a one score game you can always find decisions to debate. This just happened to be at the death so was more dramatic.
I would have given it as a try, but that's besides the point.
If that was the only bad ref call that denied a try or benefitted the other team fair enough. It wasn't. In lead up to French winning try? Penaud clearly knocked on and pass to BB from Le Garrec was so forward it was almost laughable. That is a 14-point swing which in test match rugby is massive. Berry blew it and should be held to account for doing so.
The best teams are usually capable of winning ugly games. Fantastic performances but losing a game, ultimately means very little. Especially when you're talking about a championship or world cup. Scotland are not one of those, they can play some of the nicest rugby to watch, but when things are gritty, no open play for tries, Dupont law kicking battles... They struggle. England have always had the ability to win almost game after game and neutrals wonder how.
But, regardless of the last 2 games for Scotland, the did beat Wales and ... As Tinds says, they did beat France - albeit the try denied. So I think they'll be favourites at Murrayfield.
Am I the only Englishman that would rather win 4/5 than 2/5 ?😂
Listen to them go on about the new rush defense and how fit you have to be, how technical it is and the dynamics around it.......interesting that the best rush defense proponents, South Africa, was not mentioned as a key area of proficiency and execution. Now all of a sudden because England are doing it its brilliant and smart rugby. At least acknowledge it, after all the slamming of SA rugby style etc at least give credit where credit is due.
Defence wins world cups. Since the creation of the beautiful tournament. And yet, at the start of the RWC, SA were not favourites.
I was quite enjoying this until all the swearing started.
Agree. Too much blankety-blankety blank blank blank blank rucking language. Someone should take him aside and tell him rugby is a team game.
England by 10! hahahahaha you're off ya head
Get off your phone tinds ffs
🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱
I don't care all that matters is the win, a good win, a bad win. A win is a win
Gotta disagree with Tinds about winning versus performance - it doesn't matter how you win, as long as you win. With each win the team will grow in confidence and their opponents' fear will increase. I obviously want to see England play a more expansive and imaginative style of rugby but ultimately the game is about winning.
England were very good losers. Which evens up the score on their visit to the Land of The Long White Shroud later this year. If Borthwick could get the selections right England could surprise. They have as evidenced against Scotland some untapped talent.
Is hask on coke?
Certainly not. He's a Gordon Ramsay mentor.
Turned this off.....get some of them posh school manners out and actually listen to each other.....its unlistenable otherwise....
Agree. The railway map mon needs to take a tranquilizer or two.
Ireland still choke at the World Cup QF stage....end of story 🤐🤐🤐
Is that the latest news? Try living in the now. 🙏
@lizzyhanahoe4197 ...Lizzy...its the future too. Next WC will be the same.
Tomorrow never comes. There is no future. All we have is the Now. @@Michael-hk6dj
18:03 Er, no Haskell, that is not how you are supposed to play rugby. That is how you endanger players and get yellow and red cards - something your English players are actually very good at.
Wow i really cant understand why we have such bad results??? The country has thousands of fantastic coaches sat on the sofas 😂😂😂was there a time when stuart lancaster and andy farrell were coaching england ???😂😂😂 you can see how the whole place is done in !! These idiots said at the start of s/n france was winning everthing 😂😂😂😂
God bless common folk
Scotland by 10...oh the delusion.
You're dead right. Mere fiction.
England by 4
Beating you consistently but still shit funding
Please explain! ! !
I'm sorry but Scotland DIDN'T beat France. If there isn't sufficient evidence that the try is scored then it's no try. For all we know there could have been a hand under that ball. It might be a crap law but it is the law- I'm an England fan and if it happened to England, I'd say the same thing! Take points when they're on offer and find other/better ways of scoring tries rather than trying to rumble over from 5 metres against a massive French pack! 🤷♂
delusional Saxon the TMO actually said to the ref it was grounded!!!
Please stop talking over each other. It is awful trying to listen to you. I gave up at 24 minutes.
Agree totally! But I must admit the Ink Mon came close as far as his prediction about Italy coming to the fore.
England pack will ensure dominance over jockland and ultimate and predictable victory of ald enema.
Parking The Tractors 🚜 rugby 🏉 England 🏴 😂
And The Scots are bottlers
6-3 England lol
Ireland by 45 points and change!!!
Who cares about the other teams there bigger bottlers than Scotland!!!
Scotland didn't win the game against France
The joke is that the ref and TMO got the call wrong at the end this Scotland lost…don’t be obtuse…
@@mikeharper3459The TMO didn't get the call wrong? The TMO followed the correct process set by world rugby in the correct way.
@@Simwil33not quite sure you are right. He called the grounding then bottled it as the ref was about to award the try. Unfortunately human error. If he had not clearly called the grounding you would be correct.
@@MACCA0405my interpretation is the ref said no try on the field so then the TMO must provide clear evidence to award the try. There wasn't clear enough evidence that the ball was over the line and that is why it wasn't awarded.
@@Simwil33 agree and understand fully. If however you stand back and look at it , it was clear. TMO called a grounding. Didn’t qualify till he realised it was on him and he bottled it Always will be bad decisions but it is important they are recognised as such If rugby is to grow it cannot with the present rules, present persons in World Rugby and some refs. For instance was it o knock on by Ntamack from Russell’s kick? It was and led the the try- he didn’t go back to look at it. Same with VDM tackle and possible offside. Tualagi one Neck Roll and a possible punch. What are the officials watching. Rant over.
Tindall is a dreadful pundit. He always looks disinterested, always in his phone, and basically disagrees with everything.
Look up the meaning of 'disinterested' then come back to us.
I think he pretends to be on his phone because he’s embarrassed by the way Haskell is spouting off and speaks over everyone.
What an incredibly biased panel who can’t see or admit decent rugby and genuinely think England are gonna beat Scotland. Given that Scotland were robbed in the France game and being home to fortress Murrayfield, there’ll be a fire in the Scots. Classic English bias where they beat the 2 lowest teams in the championship and think they’re on for the Grand Slam
The bitter rhetoric is getting tiresome. The English are not victims- just get over it.
Please stop talking over each other. It is awful trying to listen to you. I gave up at 24 minutes.
Agree. Not wanting to mention names but anyone with railway maps on their body can go off in a tangent.