The disturbing future of CIVIL WAR explained
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Alex Garlands latest film Civil War has received divisive reactions from audiences and critics alike with many discussing its violence and plot in detail. In this video we look at the background and lore of the world of the film and how it relates to the themes.
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As a Canadian, I can attest that any universe where the greenback is worth LESS than *our* money truly is the darkest timeline
How about Nickelback? 😂😅
Agreed, it wouldn't just be an American civil war the world would have to deal with but the total degradation of the US petro-dollar which damn near the entire world backs their own individual currencies by. It would be a total shitshow for all parties involved.
😂😂😂😂
you dont remember 2012?
It's happened twice in my lifetime. It could happen again. If the US gov't doesn't exist, the USD would be worth the same as the 1865-66 Confederate dollar.
An interesting detail I noticed is that Jesse Plemon's character (red glasses soldier) has multiple watches on his wrists, meaning he's been stealing them from corpses
In a two way rifle range situation, you'll be surprised what loot stands for currency.
There's historical precedent for that as well. Apparently it was common practice for Soviet soldiers to take watches from German soldiers and citizens as they advanced towards Berlin. And if you believe Band of Brothers, Frank Perconte (the short one who always brushes his teeth) made a habit of stealing them from German corpses as well. I couldn't find anything on Perconte specifically, but given the overall accuracy of BoB, I'd be willing to bet it happened.
Missed that on my initial viewing, great spot! I suspect this is a nod to the image "raising a flag over the Reichstag". It's a pretty infamous image that was famously doctored multiple times to increase its drama as well as the airbrushing/removal of the bottom left soldier's second watch. I suspect this film is full of easter eggs to photographic/conflict history.
I kinda doubt watches are worthwhile loot in the 21st century but it’s a cool throwback 80 years to when watches were good metals at the apex of fine machinery before the invention of computers, thus valuable loot.
In the 21st century I would imagine NVGs, thermals, IV plates, batteries, wedding ring’s and custom rifles in stsndard calibers would be typical loot.
@@jonsmitt9769 At the gas station they wont accept US currency, when they are offered Canadian they immediately accept. Anything that looks like it could be of value or be of value someday would pass as acceptable in a bartering situation if the dollar collapses
Jesse Plemons was in this movie for what, 5-6 mins?
We don’t even know the name of the guy he plays.
Yet, it’s him that has had the biggest impact on me.
Same. He was the best part in the film. So watchable.
Holy crap, I knew I recognised him but he's so skinny now I had no idea it was him :O Fat Todd no more!
The scene was probably the most tense of the whole movie. They managed to make a gunshot make people jump in the theater during a goddamn WAR movie! That takes some serious buildup.
That shooting stand off is incredible and subtle. The point? One side is trying to kill the other. That’s it.
It showed the confusion and chaos in fighting your fellow countrymen.
@@vorg_ are they really your "fellow countryman" when they share zero values and are only here because their family invaded you?
The people who are upset that Alex Garland didn't pick a side as the "Good guys" in this movie are like that soldier at 5:14. They don't care about the message of the movie, they only care about getting validation that their beliefs are the right ones or to hate him for not sharing theirs.
While that's true in the sense of people wanting it to be a 1 to 1 analog, you can objectively be on the right side of an issue/conflict while being an unscrupulis character.
Honestly, you characterized my fears about this movie. It a warning, not a action movie backdrop
Expecting this movie to back a side is missing the point entirely. There shouldn’t be any sides, it shouldn’t come to any war at all. The movie is a warning. Let’s not do this.
It doesn't pick sides but it does let you know that the president has turned into a pseudo dictator that has done quite a bit of harm to the nation thereby somewhat justifying the other factions motivations.
Just like your thumbnail Pic. I'd be a merc for hire. What I do anyway.
The map and the names felt like Fallout and HOI4
War..... War never changes.
Always remember Site Y.
Enclave v Brotherhood v NCR fr
@@saladtop8499vs the Mormons
@@chrischrisdamanvs caesars legion
Something about the lack of HOME outro is somewhat chilling....just silence
I still heard it in my head
This movie takes the cake for most tactically unsound use of an attack helicopter...
Yes that, and the Apache shooting 20mm minigun rounds coming out the 30mm chain gun lol
yea i was thinking isnt it a big risk to just put yourself in the way of trained soldiers that have shown to be armed with anti vehicle equipment
Toss up between this or the f-35 scene in live free or die hard
To be fair, if a civil war happens, it'll be the dumbest strategists in power, so that's actually pretty realistic.
I assume you mean because of how low it was over the street instead of just sleeping over the gate. What if the Whitehouse has missile batteries on the lawn?
I think it’s best the film doesn’t get into detailed politics or ‘picks a side’ because it should be a warning that this nightmare scenario must be avoided. Everyone loses.
Exactly. Or in other words - "the only way to win is not to play".
"An appeaser is someone who feeds an alligator hoping they will be eaten last"
@@precisedime1377 picking a side would be appeasing that side for certain.
@@precisedime1377 Winston Churchill. Good one.
But was it a good movie who cares about a movie’s message if it isn’t good
I'm actually glad there is no good guy side in the civil war. If it ever comes to it, it won't be pretty, and I'm not sure how it will end. It turns it from an action movie to a political warning, which in this climate right now, is very, very much needed.
couldn't agree more.
The western forces are obviously portrayed as the good guys.
the far right are indeed right
Idea, maybe don't support things that will get you into a civil war then instead of complaining when it does.
Do not slap me, and then call me unreasonable that I'm upset you slapped me.
Idk, a President serving three terms seems pretty fascist.
I hear this is so popular they're already making a irl remake next year
Its going to be one of those rare instances where the live-action adaptation is better than the source material.
@@Coconut-219💀 oh no
a civil war against who?? the side that hates guns? Watch out!! they coming with pink dildos and baseball bats, The pink hair makes them easy to spot. too easy.
@@Coconut-219better for who?
Not funny
This movie is to show a civil war from a outside view. We don't know what side is the "good guys" but it's clear that both sides contain no humanity left, as we see on multiple occasions the brutality that they bring on eachother.
This film was disturbing, and yet heart breaking seeing your own troops kill eachother and let alone the president they swore at one point to protect.
Serving this nation's Army, definitely had a deep impact on my view of the film and left me very disturbed. It left my theater in silence and I think the message of "do not do this!" Got across everyone's head.
At the end of the day, no body is ready for something so heinous as a civil war like people think they are.
As both a Texas native and Army vet, it also struck a different cord with me, especially since my old unit (1st Cavalry) was front and center, with the insignia of the Air Cav being absolutely unmistakable, fighting for the Western Forces against the Federal Government.
It's a terrifying thought when you ask yourself "where would you fight in all this"? Even when you're a protected noncombatant (journalist) or evidently wounded/unarmed, it makes no difference. Even worse is when you're a veteran, with skills desperately needed (in my case, I was an Abrams crewman), and some faction or group finds out. People will force you to pick a side, regardless how much you may not want to, and you may have to; as we saw in the movie at several points, your life may literally depend on it.
@SlavGod47 Texas warriors right up here, and Army Vets. Although you had far more experience than me. I was an MP I know ew. Buuuuut did alot of combat support training, learned alot of shit, never acted like the hard ass, made friends with the combat guys and formed unbreakable bonds. All those Soldiers I trained along side with during Operation Combined Resolve XII, I couldn't imagine a far more painful and disturbing reality of fighting them or watching them kill eachother. Over all, war is not something to sniff at and I can't stand when civilians act like they think they're ready for a civil war.
I couldn't imagine the gut wrench feeling you felt seeing 1st cav unit patch on those CH 47's
Cool idea. Either it’s timed horribly due to current political climate or it’s timed perfectly due to the current political climate. Try not to take things too seriously it’s just a movie about a modern civil war and how bad it would be if things escalated to that degree.
Timed perfectly, it’s a warning that no matter how much we hate each other, war is not the way to solve it
Nuh uh, my side is always right
I'd say horribly timed. While it can and should be seen as a warning to what could be, the people that can go in and see it that way are mostly passive when it comes to politics, and most probably have no interest in it because of the nigh political narrative. Politicians will ignore it, activists will use it, and the only people who take the lesson that's supposed to be learned already know it! All the radicals will do is see their enemy where they will, and see their allies where they will. The message will fall on deaf ears.
the political climate is literally the reason this movie is being made
I've always thought that anyone who's ever been in the same room as a history book would know this. Or anyone who followed the news during the Bosnian civil war (remember Ratko Mladic?) or who knows what it's actually like in Haiti now or in Rwanda during the genocide. Maybe some people need the message graphically.
Highly recommend watching this in IMAX. The sound was deafening from all the aircraft, explosions. Each gunshot was terrifying and made plenty of people in the theater jump in their seats (me included). It's more of a road trip movie than anything else
The sniper shots had me jumping. They did great with the "small" budget. While I never served abroad, I did spend a lot of time near gun fire and with guns. It kinda brought me back.
As someone who spent 6 years in Iraq/Afghanistan as an EOD tech, I've had my fill of explosions and gunfire.
I hadn't seen the movie trailer and went into the film blindly, and I'm glad I did. The rogue soldiers shooting journalists scene was probably the single most scariest thing I've seen during a movie in a long time. The sound of each gunshot after the pause from them trying to diffuse the situation was scarier than any Blumhouse film trying to jumpscare the audience. Was a very unique experience that oddly felt a bit realistic
Don't recommened this movie, its awful unless you know what the movie is. This comment fails to mention the fact that if you dont realize its about the photographer not anything to do with civil war then its pointless
@@ethanpollak7938 I guess you went in expecting an A24 movie directed by Alex Garland somehow being a dumb popcorn flick?
this show needs a Cloverfield style website to explain what went on to the leadup of the film
No it doesn’t.
There is some background revealed throughout but the whole point is it’s all ambiguous.
I know what you mean. They did the same thing to Dawn of the Dead 2004 remake, The Watchmen film and I think with District 9 too but I think they want the background story in this ambigous.
@@parkmallbabypeople just have to have things spoon fed to them which must be difficult as a filmmaker when so much criticism seems to be about the ambiguity, which has been openly stated, was intentional.
More than enough was implied/spoken about to get a picture of the situation without having every detail spelled out for the viewer..
If I see another comment about this film with with ‘b-b-but worldbuilding!’ in it ffs..
@@wowsuchname1939 I hear ya. Some movies have origin stories and background that helped it and there's others that really don't need to and this movie really does not need to. This is partly why I gave up on Star Wars because every minute detail now has to have some backstory and its ruined it.
@@wowsuchname1939 I think it makes sense thematically too. Doesn’t matter what the politics were at the beginning of the war. Motivation for fighting will have changed multiple times if not been supplanted by survival or bloodlust. Past a point, the nation (and sides of the political conflict) would be barely recognizable.
Imo, I think the message that the movie is pushing is that maybe there are some things wrong with the government to a point that people might wonder if replacing the current system with a new one would be beneficial, and the movie is saying yeah, okay but what happens when that actually happens and war breaks out? Is a potentially more efficient and effective government worth the catastrophic effects of a civil war, especially in a country like the US, where defense spending takes top priority? The death and destruction would be immense.
The hundreds of thousands that die every year from incrementalism would disagree. Imagine if we said we cant free the slaves bc radical change would be too dangerous or scary
I was just stating what I thought the message of the movie was. Personally, I'm of the mind that the current government should go the way of the dodo, but I don't particularly trust that rebellious opinions like mine wouldn't grounds for persecution.
@@nathanielmiller2101 based
Short term suffering for long term comfort
The worst parts of the dissolution would not come from the US military spending, I fear, but from the way the American population is so grossly over-armed compared to most places. We all like to joke about how any theoretical Russian invasion of Alaska would go (does Russia know that civilians here own 50BMG's?), but the dissolution of central authority here would be very quickly followed by the rise of local warlords. A familiar pattern from other nations would be gangs of teenagers authorized to carry out retributions and supply runs .. they would have a 50cal machine gun mounted in the back of a pickup truck. Your teenage daughter might be worth a pallet of bottled water, depending on who needs what and how much anyone is willing to pay - and they might just take both and tell you you're lucky to be left alive. Suffice to say, it would be horrific here. And it sounds like the very point of this moving is remind people how gruesome it could be.
I just watched this movie last night. The end of this movie left me in shock. It felt so wrong everything. The amount of non combatants being executed by forces was just horror. I could only imagine how much worse It would be in an actual Civil War.
The Anti War theme and graphic depections show you joining the Armed forces for National Service will sometimes make you do terrible things in times of war justified by a narrative of Valor, honor, and duty, it will make you ask are you the villian but your commanders are screening you for loyalty checks, that sooner the conflict is over you're going to be thankful being put on gaurd duty at a installation half a world away from a conflict zone, PTSD can shape one's politics and world view.
I was gonna say they were probably secret service or hard-core loyalists, but a war crime is still a war crime.
They could have apprehended them, including the female secret service that tried to negotiate, but nah...like a quote said, war brings out the worst of people, NEVER the good.
Dude it made me scared
@@brickcraftproductions3065does it have a better anti war theme then a Platoon let’s say?
See Gaza and the Middle East. It's hell over there.
I could pretty much guarantee you that the maps of states shown in the beginning wouldn’t be the same by the time of the film.
If California and Texas were working together, you could bet that Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada would have already been conquered by the Western Alliance. No way either of those states would be rolling on Washington DC without taking out those potential threats to their backyards. Plus, to get to DC they would have had to roll through at least four other states to get there.
I think it's also interesting that in these scenarios is how the Great Lakes region along with some of the bordering mid-west states are always overlooked. People don't really realize but the economy of the Great Lakes rivals both Texas and California right now, with the backing of the federal government and a wartime economy it would dwarf pretty much every other region overnight. It's called the Arsenal of Democracy for a reason and has contributed to the defeat of many armies and nations.
I dont think the other factions are fighting against each other, I'm pretty sure they're all collectively against the fed gov.
After the ending, though, it's likely they would turn on each other.
@@HoodieProduction just wanted to add onto the Great lakes thing, their proximity to Canada would be a huge boost due to the strength of the CAD during this scenario.
@@HoodieProductionYou might want to take a look at the current situation in Chicago right now… that’s gunna change 😂
The movie takes place while the coalition of California and Texas already rolled on these states.
The way I interpret it, the federal government was taken over after the president contested the election results, disbanding the FBI to prevent an investigation and arrest.
Pro president gun nuts took over the government of States that didn't recognize him but Texas and California stayed strong and split up. Then they had to form an unlikely alliance to force the president and his loyalist out.
There are hints of that throughout the movie but it's not surface level. The most obvious being that the Cal and Tex alliance have actual military strength while the gov forces we see look like well equipped hobbyists.
While the vagueness of identifying the specific forces affiliation is a HUGE intentional strength of the film, I think there were masterful visual and dialogue suggestions allowing people to fill in the gaps that I think many people missed, first I think on both sides it goes without saying that while there are formal large scale forces, there are also logically going to be paramilitary groups with varying degrees of affiliation and that have potentially splintered off from the larger forces.
If you notice there was a recurring association between pastel rainbowish color tags and also the ethnicities of actors being cast(specifically there were seemed to be a higher number of non white and specifically east Asian people in the western forces which demographically makes sense with the demographics of the West Coast) and the western forces or potentially the maoist faction that was only mentioned once. The paramilitary(lack of uniform) in the second pit stop seem to have been associated with the western forces(obviously they were fighting gov/loyalist forces) additionally the snipers also had similar rainbow color tags, hair dye and nail polish and so were likely paramilitary associated with the western forces or a unit that had become separated from main forces for awhile.
In a negative association, the refugee camp, was almost exclusively non white people, suggesting that some faction may have been particularly targeting or expelling them, it doesn't seem like the loyalists were strictly ethno nationalist, but given the location of the refugees near the border of effective loyalist control it seems likely that either the loyalist faction has ethno nationalist factions embedded or has an ideology that loosely compliments ethno nationalists and therefore results in many nonwhite groups getting targeted as enemies AND we know the WF wasn't strongly ethno nationalist from their force composition. So, the group who seemed to be ethnically cleansing, based upon the limited amount we know, has a few possible origins, either they are a truly unaligned(and never aligned) paramilitary group that has their own unique take and have been empowered in the chaos OR what seems more likely given their resources they are a paramilitary group with limited affiliation with the loyalists/were a loyalist unit that went rogue and is effectively operating under the local leadership to perform an ethnic/nationalist cleansing.
Additionally, an interesting thing within the WF forces was that there also seemed to be really deep world building where slightly different uniforms, dialect, dialogue and presented unit operations suggesting who were forces originally from Texas vs California, most memorably, the team that stormed the white house seemed to be comprised of some type of special forces unit and a couple individuals from another more generalized combat unit, the black woman in the group seemed to be suggested as being from California, where the special forces unit(or at least their lead officer) seemed to be suggested as from Texas which was also good because these were the two that performed the final execution meaning neither sub faction was solely responsible.
All that said, I think again the strength of the movie was that these things weren't so explicitly stated which is good as a movie/story telling but also maintained strong chaotic ambiguity in the ideological lines.
Worth noting that the WF forces assaulting DC included a contingent of Marines. I think that kind of implies that a good portion of the US military defected to the rebels.
@@TrajanAugustusYep, and that's because, in the millitary, they train you to become loyal to the constitution, and to serve the people. Clearly, the president in the film had gone against both, and we know how that turned out.
@@Cund I think that's a true factor for sure, and is distinct in the US. But of course this isn't 100%, the gov still did have a decent portion of the military, a substantial amount of whom I think we can assume were in before the split
Also a factor that I think was well suggested in the movie was the distribution of military infrastructure, which TX and CA does have a substantial chunk of. Like if say Wisconsin and Michigan and Minnesota had been the rebels(I believe relatively light in military infrastructure although fairly heavy in armed citizens and militia groups) it would be hard to conceive of the early days not resulting in the rebellion being snuffed out without access to a decent inventory of planes and vehicles for example. And also the Eastern seaboard and south has a lot too, which explains why it sounds like the war had been going for awhile without just some quick victory.
All these details were so well done in the movie, the people just fixating on 'TX and CA can't be friends' don't get it.
@@TrajanAugustusExactly, the soldiers that join the final assault on the White House are wearing the US patches on their gear, not the patch of the WF, indicating defectors from the surrendering loyalist force.
Ikr it’s very subtle and very good. I’d also like to add that Sammy mentions in the car that the current president is in his third term, which I think very quietly paints him as the worst guy (not bad guy, but worst guy) and probably gives us the reasoning behind the war in the first place.
I swear if somebody says first here and not even watch this quality content I'm putting them on Alderran 5 seconds before the Death Star fires.
Someone said first 2 minutes ago
Or take them to Detroit
I’d survive I’m constructed alternately
That or Krypton right before its red sun goes supernova.
Civil War was pretty stressful to watch. It did a good job of depicting the horrors of war, even the gunfire made me jump out of my seat a few times. The fact these protagonists cared more about getting a good photo during these killings more than helping each other made me disgusted with humanity as whole. More than that soldier who just killed foreigners, that guy at the gas station who tortured those men, that fascist president, and all those factions. The one scene where I saw a glimpse of humanity in someone was when Lee deleted a photo of Sammy’s death.
It shows the difficulty of being a photo journalist in a civil war and the brutality of what a Civil war likely would be in the US.
I can say with certainty as human, you’re supposed to be more disgusted with the people doing the killing.
If no one documents the events, then how can anyone prove that it happened? Journalists are important for accurately reporting history.
@@KylaMedina The soldier who killed foreigners disgusted me. As for the photo journalists, they just seemed to care more about stroking their own egos than recording history. They just walked over others and let most people around them die just for their own vanity. That’s just as bad as the people doing the killing.
@@KylaMedinamost people don't like journalists now
Genuinely insane you can walk out of this movie more angry with the journalists than anything else. Genuinely, unimaginably crazy the life you must live.
This movie is called "Fall of the Empire" in my country.
Russia?
@@worldofdoom995 Yes
@@aresnir2725 I bet you guys enjoyed it lol
@@aresnir2725 Wow. Interesting to know this. Thank you for mentioning it :)
@@aresnir2725 Based
If Eck is dipping his toes into more genres surely i can convert him to mobile suit gundam?
Gundam is like Star Wars, but better. Without all of the glaring plot holes, inconsistencies, obvious plot armor, retcon of material, etc... Gundam is truly the superior franchise.
@@Echo_419 Eh wing & seed are kinda meh - but for the most part yeah.
@@Echo_419 So, where was Sayla when Char does his Char things? or Mullet Char?
@Echo_419 it's not always better , like seed destiny is a thing and ZZ is polarising + anything post Hathaway is star wars sequel trilogy equivalent
but it's a good example of how to keep going and change things up as opposed to canon star wars just beating a dead horse
+suit design is definitely superior to star wars ship design star wars went from x wing to slightly different x wing, compare the RX-78-2 to the the Gundam Barbatos and you have the same thing but completely different
@SoloWing88 that wasn't Char that was Quattro Bajena , completely different person ;)
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I went and saw the movie with my daughter. We both thoroughly enjoyed the movie and the fact that the viewer got to decide if the good guys won or not (or if it was just irrelevant). As a photographer myself, I was actually quite impressed with the photography used in the film and the cinematography. I was also impressed by the combat scenes. They were loud, just like the real thing. Gunfire wasn't muted. I own AR-15s and the 5.56/.223 ones are very loud. I also appreciate that different firearms sounded different. The knack-knack-knack staccato of distant weapons all played in to make you feel like you were there right alongside these four. There were some nice touches, too, like the Boogaloo Boi outfits some of the combatants were wearing. You're right there in the thick of it, experiencing everything.
In the end, the politics here don't matter. The meaning of the story is found in Jessie overcoming herself and becoming what her heroine once was.
I will say this, though: If you have combat related PTSD, stay away from this movie or at least wait for it to hit the streams instead. You don't want flashbacks in a theater.
It felt like a movie about War correspondents than anything else. I get that it's fictional, but one issue i've noticed with a lot of historical analysis, is the attempt to "depoliticize" war, when war is inherently political. I know there was the vague "fascist president who destroyed democracy to stay in power", but the tone of the film just comes off as a typical "both sides bad" lazy thought termination.
I think the point of that was because their Focus, was to make people go “I don’t want that to actually happen” if they had gone the more political route and been more upfront with that people get defensive and turned off, especially if it is done incorrectly . But to counter your point, often in history both sides are bad or do bad things, in the name of what they call “good”. So it may not be as lazy as you are claiming, there is truth to it. Both sides bad lol
How is it lazy, both sides in the movie are consistently not good, WF supporters executing POWS, the soldiers supporting washington mass murdering an entire town, a sniper shooting journalists, It's literally how war WORKS, the sides don't matter.
@@justbigstepbro9167 "if they had gone the more political route and been more upfront with that people get defensive and turned off"
Yeah, I 100% agree with you there.
I also take what you mean by saying that there are a lot of times in history when times sides are bad, but I also think it's possible to be fighting on the right side while doing unscrupulous things. Like US Marines used to cut the heads off of dead japanese soldiers and send their skulls home as trophies during WW2 and were explicitly quite racist about it; but that doesn't tarnish the image of America's "just cause" in WW2 in popular consciousness.
@@MichaelCasanovaMusic Pretty much spot on Sir.
The broader context matters. If this was made in the 1990's I'd totally agree that "both sides bad" is lazy thought termination. But presently there's some people out there thinking we're headed for an actual civil war, and there's even some secretly hoping for it. IMHO this movie is meant to say "you sure about that"? Factional conflicts end up being nothing but neighbors finding an excuse to kill neighbors, so truly both sides bad.
you kno I wanted to see the movie ever since my friend joked that they had to put california and texas together just so people know its fiction. I am also happy to see KD and other notable actors in the role. It seems like a good movie to watch.
Texas and cali also have massive millitary bases making it more fair😊
I remmber when i found the trailor a three months back and it was all ireland and uk and the comments where all "oh a new documentry"
Great review.
My take away was that a lot of people in this country are incapable of realizing the reality of these topics without putting it into a framework like this that they can relate to on a personal level. The lack of realism in the framework of the conflict stemming from the fact that it's simply not the point.
That is pretty much it. People are gullible to let the real message go over their heads because they can't accept it. The movie is a good one at showing the warning: "Don't do a civil war!" Or don't let it happen since it won't be the way you think it will go.
What happened to the ending music man? That always makes me crack up.
something i noticed is that when lee told jesse that as a war photographer (?) they dont usually ask the questions but they take the pictures and let other people ask the questions. In the movie, we could see their photos as they were taken as a way to show that we are that other people who would be asking the questions, i think that adds to the theme of ambiguity of the film
Loved the change in format.
its a crime that Jesse Plemons was only in this movie for about 5 min..
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Can we just talk about the only time in the movie you see the true Stars and Stripes is in this water truck attack and when the president is removed.
Ps. comment section here doesn't bring me any hope we aren't heading in this direction..
So the suicide bomber was a loyalists, not a secessionist? I was wondering what flag she was holding.
That scene goes super hard ngl
Great vid dude.Halifax Nova Scotia born and raised here.
Ps I had to add that after hearing you jail from N.S.
Keep up the great work Bro.
A friend told me he did not like the movie because it did not have enough "meat" in the movie. I saw the movie and loved it. I love the fact it did not go into the politics or reasons. The important thing is what is going through people's lives during this dark times. No matter what the reasons are, it showed the country had broken up into different factions and americans were killing americans. Which the main characters were just showing their perspective of this event. That for me is the point of the movie.
When life hands you Plemons.. you make Plemonade 😂
People always seem to forget "If everybody is wrong, nobody is tight". sm
The winner gets to decide.
Ek just made a video about the absolute banger CIVIL WAR! Did not expect this but I am so here for it.
It’s interesting to see the lines that the movie draws. From my point of view a lot of people theorize that any civil war in the future will be the government vs the people. I don’t think specific lines like the movie shows would be drawn in the United States mostly because it would just become anarchy if the government lost control. As much as I don’t want conflict, if the government devolves into tyranny it’s the job of the people to stand up against it.
If we do have a civil war, I don't think it'll be like this. I think it'll be more like Northern Ireland. The government would be one side of a "low level" grinding conflict.
@@CortexNewsService Or like the third act of 'The Forever Purge'.
If there were a civil war of our time it would not be state vs state or drawn lines. It would be the people vs the federal govt or Blue vs Red.
1:50 MJ after decades of trying to make things work with Peter is now a war photographer.
Eck. As a fellow Canadian. If you haven't yet, I HIGHLY suggest you dip into Mobile Suit Gundam, specifically the Universal Century timeline.
I never thought i would see you reviewing this movie, but i'm glad i did
The moment you click on a video about a movie but it has the voice of the guy that gives you daily hockey updates! How did I not know you had this channel?
I just watched this movie a few hours ago. The ending left me thinking "Sooooo, that's it? The movie just started to get interesting and it's just...over?" I found Kirsten Dunst's character annoying, she's so depressed, anxious and withdrawn, bossy and unemotional through most of the movie, I seriously thought she was losing her mind near the end.
She's got PTSD
Good to see Kirsten Dunst in another movie, last I saw her was as Mary Jane in the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies. Might check this one out. Also I like how she was acting as a girlfriend of a photographer/hero and now she plays a photographer as her new character.
I plan to see it but thank you so much for plot breakdown. I'm definitely going to go see it and as for the latter question that you asked as a US Marine Veteran I don't have another home to go to I can't just walk to another country and hope that they'll give me asylum so if a situation ever arose where this country was like in the movie in the midst of a civil war I'd give my life to defend my home
Well said. I’ve been trying to explain this to some of my family members for hours now (just saw the movie). I’m making them watch this video
Remember how Grey state was supposed to be released but the producer was killed off? I wnted to watch that movie but i guess Garland did what he could with the leftovers.
As much as I understand the desire to be neutral and "non-political," from a worldbuilding perspective the total lack of identity to any of the factions just makes the setting seem bland rather than bipartisan, a nothingburger instead of the intended neutrality.
Seriously, all they had to do was have a few two/three-word slogans for each faction and it would've done wonders for the setting. It would've even made that scene with the "What sort of American are you" line even tenser, after having heard so many warring factions on the trip up to that point.
Not at all - it would comletely ruin the "what sort of american are you?" line. The ambiguity, meaninglessness and ridiculousness of the character and line are the whole point.
The scene with the sniper illustrates the director's intention more broadly. Joel/The audience asks "who do you fight for" the soldier says "you're ret--ded".
I get your meaning, but it is unlikely in this scenario if you would know the slogan of your killers, or if they would bother to find out if you had the same slogan. There is already an unwritten reality in the America of shoot first. I would also argue that modern thinking in not blue coat, red coat on a field, it’s urban camo in a complex sprawling urban environment where each house might be a different faction. I have not seen the film. But wearing an arm band or shouting a slogan makes you a target in a city with hundreds of sniper windows on every street corner. I would suggest that even saying there are 4 factions, or loyalist states is not realistic, as if every person in Indiana would be team trump. It will be house to house warfare my friend.
Agree
This reminded me a lot of the Civil War (comic, not MCU) tie-in series, Frontline. At some point, right or wrong (pragmatics) doesn't matter when you fully grasp the human cost of either side.
I find it silly that Canada is considered stable in this movie when realty is Canada would be fighting a losing three-front war and maybe a civil war on top of that.
I think the states that make up the factions are incredibly important, as there are actual regional differences between the states and some of the combinations felt more like he just threw them together for no other reason then to keep it as vague as possible without taking a longer look into them as to WHY certain states would form new conglomerations or not. Keep in mind also that nations with heavily diverse ethnic groups balkanize once the major authority falls apart, exactly like what happened to the Balkans (hence the name) when the Soviets left the area. The only thing holding all those disparate groups together and not murdering each other was the oppressive force of the communists, and when they left everyone started carving out their little spaces at the expense of everyone else. Hell, you might even see the southern border states get re-integrated into Mexico just from the sheer amount of people with Mexican ancestry choosing to reform with their home nation now that the US is no longer a viable Republic anymore.
TLDR: Garland would've been better off not showing a map of the fictional civil war factions and just kept it ground level.
I have heard a lot of bad about this film, but looking at the journey, not the overall story, make the film interesting. Not fun, just interesting. I am more apt to see this, than avoiding it.
I went in knowing that also, I left disappointed.
@@whitebread940 Good to hear that. I may wait for it to appear in the bargain bin for a few dollars, to see it.
The people saying it's bad are the ones who wanted it to take a side. If you watch this from neutral view like the director wants you to watch, you see how tragic and violent such a war like this would be.
@@Hernandez297 I have been to war torn places and natural devastated places. But most have not. That's why I said it is most likely interesting, I find nor fun in war, just like most who have been to war. Those that have fun in war, have a few screws loose.
Just go ahead and see it with an open mind, the sound effects from the gun shots alone are worth the cinema experience. At least, that's how it was in my Dolby theater.
The battle of DC was also very much worth the buildup imo, especially after everything that's happened.
You could always just pirate it online if you don't want to spend money on it, though, which is fair.
I love the outro music!!!
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the trailers for Civil War did not leave me with high hopes or high expectations as it felt really exploitive and gross. then i went to see it...and i found it to be really exploitive and gross. my issues are not with its explicit content or the violence. what really bothered me about the film is this perception of its apolitical stance. this film does have an opinion but wants to hide it in the background which i to be pretty cowardly. in particular when they run with the Boogaloo Boys who are fighting soldiers in ACU's who were are not too sure about. Are they government forces? WF? Who knows. but we do know that when the warcriming begins and the upbeat 90's hiphop song is employed at an attempt at juxtaposing the tone of the song with the tone of the visuals and it just doesn't work. There are other blatantly subtle choices: "WE are going to Charlottesville, the front line" as a reference to the Take Bakc the Right a few years back. Using photos of BLM protests from Andy Ngo. dropping a phrase like AntiFa Massacre aren't so much points of references but easter eggs for anyone whos been tracking American political discourse. I thought it was an excellently crafted film, the performances are as good as they can be under a flawed direction, the shot compositions are gorgeous and the sound mix shockingly good. but at its core, this film is gutless and cowardly and i don'[t respect it. it pretends to be indifferent when its not and tries to hide its beliefs in plain sight and i find that to be disappointing, because as the film unfolds it has so much promise to be a truly great film but in the end is just a centrist's mealy mouthed "war is bad" and war porn from a different end of the political spectrum from the GWOT propaganda we are used to.
Yeah I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed those in plain sight Easter eggs.
This is pretty much my opinion. They want to exploit political tensions in the US and they drop a lot of hints, but don't have the balls to address it directly. I still enjoyed the movie, but I found it to be pretty cowardly.
Totally agree with you
So what do you think is the film's "opinion"? Which real-world side are they taking?
@@The_Invisible_HandI believe their opinion was left-leaning defeatist.
They used the outrage expressed at demonstrations of years past, cobbled together with the disgust of war to discourage right-leaning factions from engaging in civil war.
They insinuated that remaining neutral equates to safety and provision. Which is farthest from the truth. In conflict, neutral sides have no support or protection and will not fight to protect themselves or their way of life.
Whether right or left, POTUS' death was inevitable.
The underlying message is that if civil war has to come to America, then America has already fallen and it's over.
The writer of Civil War challenged right wingers that if their intention is to preserve America, then they shouldn't escalate the situation to the point where both sides are fighting. Even if the left is violent and destructive.
If the United States had taken that course during its founding, the United States would come under British rule and would not be the United States of America as it is recognized today.
What the writer failed to appreciate is it is the violent actions of the left, demanding representation without taxation or personal responsibility. The right demand additional representation if there is to be taxation and personal responsibility. But then there'd be no Equality, Independence, Freedom, Liberty, Truth, Justice, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Which is exactly what America was founded upon.
Factions compared idea sci fi insect swarm. Such as Tyranids, arachnids, Zerg, rachni, terminids.
Great review fellow Canadian!🥌
In this movie you guys win the world economy, so yeah. Go Northern Neighbors!
Saw this last night and really enjoyed it.
I enjoyed how it was very apolitical, because as you say the whole theme of the film isn’t about right vs wrong but rather the cost of human life in a warzone.
Very good film and very much enjoyed the stylistic splicing of the still images into the action.
This is truly the glass onion of civil war...
feels like "the dumb-person's smart movie".
it uses alot of smart sounding words without really actually saying anything.
Guy gets rid of the alphabet agency? Damn he's got my vote
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Agreed. They've turned into nothing but anti-American breeding houses.
People are so delusional nowadays
@@balapadmanabhan5705 Govern me harder CIA and FBI
@@themalibumessiah4596yea cus a militia would be any better. Like the old dude said on movie. Soon as the White House falls. Those states that turned on the union will turn on each other
Definitely plan to see this
Hollywood have been producing war movies for more than a half of a century, but in those movies the wars are always somewhere else. When they bring the war to themselves, they always say that’s an “uncomfortable” movie to watch.
I always have issues with Garland's films for some reason. He has these great concepts, and the setup and middle of his films are exciting. It's their ending I always have trouble with. I felt the same way about Annihilation and Ex Machina- they had great setups and executions, but the ending left me lacking. Unfortunately, I felt the same with Civil War--I thought the idea of him not choosing a side and seeing things through the photojournalist's eyes was spot on; however, by the 3rd act and the attack on DC, I kept saying to myself: "Okay, so this is it? The end?' I felt something was missing, IMO.
I too felt the same way , I wouldn’t have minded a part 2 of the film if they felt the need to stretch out more story than the two hours ( which didn’t even feel like two hours) to get a better ending
The goal was set pretty quickly: get to DC and interview the President before he's killed. Idk, they did exactly that and succeeded in coming full circle with the final line of the film. Their goal felt somewhat noble in the beginning, exciting even, but throughout the film you see the costs pile up, and like Lee, start to wonder if they're even doing the right thing, or if it's all just self-serving. That final scene bookends their story perfectly in my opinion.
Would have been better off as a Walking Dead style series. It's a ridiculous ending. There'd be no one around to kill. They have tunnels right?
That map I believe is completely wrong. The president says how the Carolinas joined the Florida alliance. The North-East from what we can tell is not in alliance with the President,etc
THIS is why people who talk about civil wars or revolution so candidly should think again. War, of any type, is not something you want happening in your hometown, neighbourhood or even backyard. We had too much of this in Ireland in the last century, it's primarily the reason we are neutral now. You would not wish this on anyone, particularly if you have other avenues to voice discontent. Complain on-line, peacefully protest, go on strike and above all else, vote, but for goodness sake leave the guns out of it.
I think there was a side that the movie picks -- the Declaration of Independence. There is an excerpt from the Declaration that can be summed up with these words --
"When government becomes tyranny, rebellion becomes duty."
The trailer lost me once the California-Texas thing was revealed
You are so damn narrowminded that it's hilarious.
Almost like its trying to brag about having no connection to any current reality.
I've only heard mostly positives about this movie yet hearing it has "divided" responses from audiences does confuse me mainly because I cannot seem to find many bad reviews of it out there even after it just came out, besides it recieving more 1 star reviews on Google which I've not read.
For those who've seen it, what do you think about this?
Plus, I'm british myself, so I'm probably not one who may get this movie too much, so my bad there.
Well, if you're British just know that the map of whose fighting who in this movie makes absolutely no sense.
@@delrunplays2903 ahh, fair enough then.
so i have not seen it yet, will very soon hopefully, but i think this is more an issue of an extremely loud small minority being treated like they are the norm. i have seen some people [might be sock puppet accounts or bots, who knows these days...] mad that their irl political views weren't validated by a random piece of fictional media.
and a lot of those 1 star reviews are probably "people" mad about andy ngo and some other person i don't know about having their footage used for it and being in credits. just assume that if someone in this country calls someone the 'bad guys from ww2' [and they aren't a neo-badguy or cross burning type], they aren't to be taken seriously. that term is becoming synonymous with "i don't agree with you and that makes you evil' or some bs...
@@delrunplays2903 Except, perhaps, in allies of convenience/enemy of my enemy; TX and Cali both decide they want out of the US, so team up for that but plan to go their own ways once they gain independence. (Yeah, definitely guessing, but sorta makes sense.)
@@delrunplays2903 The map isn't supposed to make sense. The morons looking at the map and complaining about California and Texas being allied are misunderstanding the movie.
How did you get these clips from the movie outside of trailers?
9:05 Mark! 5.1K Thumbs Up + Mine! 👍 You're welcome, and thanks! 😊
Notes: I wasn't aware of the existence of this movie until I called the local movie theater's answering machine. I had to ask "Google" about it! Then I watched "Double Toasted" review it, and then there have been other videos like this one.
I for one get the story and the neutrality as unlike others I don't need a movie to make me feel vindicated about choosing a side in reality. I've been a registered Independent since I was 18. I do my own thinking and decision making whenever I vote.
I like and appreciate your valid points! 😌 Namaste! 🙏
The president is clearly a trump-esque figure!
1. The hyperbolic speech at the beginning
2. The talk of third terms
3. The mention of disbanding the FBI
4. At the end, Greenland is mentioned as a US territory, a trump proposal.
It’s subtle but it’s there.
And theres the glorification of the media as heroes who go into danger to document the facts. I find this funny because of all the emotional and specifically-worded lectures we get from the actual news irl. Also did you know that you can literally "rent a crowd" online? Each person gets paid like $25/hr.
so if Lindsey Graham deaged a bit and turned into trump
@@kachka2983 If there's really way to get paid to protest, can you please show me where to apply? Because I have comfortable shoes and a lot of anger.
So this movie IS absolutely left-wing propaganda, just like everyone with a brain said it was?
Good. Thanks for telling us.
Abolishing the FBI would be farthest thing from being fascistic. What would be funny is this is just the same actor from Parks and Recreation and becoming a libertarian president and abolishes the FBI. 😆
If America actually had a Civil War (II) the rest of the world would be absolutely fcked.
The gloves would come off and any country that was thinking about doing evil stuff would just go ahead and do it, knowing that the world police wouldn’t (couldn’t) step in.
Haven’t seen the movie yet myself.
Russia and China are about to go ham and cheese on the Asian continent. And I can only guess who in the Middle East would start a war campaign?
A true nightmare scenario.
I am not sure what planet are you on, but on this one there is a lot of countries doing evil stuff already, some with USA approval...
Yeah! God knows what the rest of the world would do. Cartels would see it as the perfect chance to fully establish themselves in the states, no more hiding. Other countries would take the chance to attack or do other things. The fallout would be apocalyptic.
Most countries use the Dollar as their international currency, even though some countries are opting to abandon the Dollar, for example, the BRICS (a trade union between Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) were negotiating about it a time ago.
I believe that the 2nd currency to be used after the fall of the USA would be the Euro, which would help and break several foreign countries, an example of this that was used as a joke, a good joke by the way, was the Canadian Dollar was worth more than the American Dollar , if that happened, Jesus, things are really bad for many people, inside or outside the USA.
In fact, there's something I wanted to see in the film, what did other countries think of this civil war? Mexico? Canada? UK? China? Russia?
This movie somewhat follows the original Civil War, and 6:47 says it better than any other timestamp. Obviously photography was in it infancy so pictures accompanying articles was not a thing, but after a battle and one side retreated, causing the shooting to stop, the journalists would rush onto the now defunct battlefield and write their notes for the future article.
I definitely wanna check it out
Pretty sure this movie fed into the fearful narrative of a trump “dictatorship”. Pretty comical people think this movie isn’t “picking sides”
Aaaand your exactly the type of people this movie warns about
@@baron6588 ? Nah fuck the 2 party system I’m voting RFK jr
@@sararargides4713 Respectable choice
Not picking a side isnt the problem. Not SHOWING the sides is the problem. All you see here is airsoft players playing war.
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The point is not to pick which side is right or wrong. The point is the real enemy is the war in the first place. It benefits no one, gets people killed, and sends a country into disarray and distrust. This is not supposed to be a feel good war movie where good guys kill bad guys.
I also found this to be a problem, if you want people not to choose sides, you can't hide them, show who they are and what they do, not as heroes or villains, but as they REALLY are, then make the public choose.
If I STILL didn't get the point of the movie then I'm sorry, could you explain more so I can understand?
A movie meant for the theatres the insanely loud gunshots were wild when red glasses killed the first guy I jumped from how casual he was and then the loud shot. I really liked how the gunfights were insanely loud and then it would go silent and show the black and white photos. Another small thing that was nice is that the guns seemed somewhat realistic compared to other movies was that they actually reloaded and had semi auto m4s not just spraying and praying with infinite amo
This film really hammer home the saying "war doesn't determine who is right, just who is left."
The film has some weak spots but on the whole I thought it did a great job at showing how awful war is regardless of what side you're on and how easily and quickly fatal mistakes and atrocities can happen no matter how careful you try to be.
It was unique because it was willing to be as shocking and graphic as saving private ryan and 1917 but told the story from a civilians perspective by using photographers and journalists to enable the audience to view as much of it as possible
Texas and california have never been politically alligned enough to unite againts the federal government
Texas is more likely to conquer California rather than allying with it.
That's kinda the point though. We're supposed to see that regardless of whatever or whoever started this conflict it's something that we in the real world can't ever let happen. Would the movie be better if it explicitly said the war was started by Joe Biden & election-rigging Democrats? Or by Donald Trump and his fanatical MAGA army? Of course not! That would just piss off half the country and end up preaching to the choir for whomever it was aimed at. The factions were very carefully chosen to make the point of the movie clear.
Unless Texas became too purple from all those California migrants. js
War can make strange bedfellows. The 13 Colonies had very different politics in New England vs the South vs Pennslyvania vs New York.
But they hung together to avoid being hung seperately during the American Revolution.
@@Zoloft77 they're staying in Austin mostly, unless they wanna move to more dangerous big cities or the countryside Texas ain't going purple or blue for a while
Cal and Texas bff.
Biden did get 46,5% of the votes in Texas. There's a bunch of Democrats living there.
But this movie is not about Dem/GOP. California and Texas are powerhouses in USA, those two states together would be extremely powerful.
I've only seen the trailer so hearing that there is 4 factions was something I wasn't expecting
I literally just walked out of the movie theater and wow I thought that was absolutely phenomenal
The most scariest part is that this was just a giant ad for the Ford Excursion 😮
If you are looking for a “right side” then the point of this movie went right over your head.
Semi agree. The right side in the movie (and real life) is antifacism. The point of the movie was criticizing journalist's role in callously exacerbating atrocities for personal and financial gain.
"War is bad" wow what a groundbreaking theme. Pass.
@@MrTsiolkovskySo you went into this movie just wanting your political beliefs to be validated as the good guy faction?
It's no wonder that we know very little about the motivations of the factions or what made the president and the government lose control of the country, it could be anything from a good reason to a stupid mistake that could be easily avoided, even the soldiers' uniforms are out of character. On purpose, none of them have a colored stripe on their shoulders or flag patches on their shoulders (until the end), they all use the same Multicam camouflage, because there are no recognizable sides here, it's American killing American.
As a guy from rural west Louisiana who has a house full of guns and holds traditional beliefs, I'll say that a Civil War in America is about as likely as an alien invasion or Zombie Apocalypse. Most Americans aren't physically fit enough to endure the riggers of the outdoors for an extended period and would have an extremely difficult time coping with the elements. Americans have lived in a bubble and relatively issolated from the real trauma of life on planet earth. Once the power would go out and the food stopped coming, people would fold up like babies. Also. 70% of Americans depend on some type of doctor prescribed drug to function normally and a simple untreated infection would kill a person very easily due to the fact most have grown up in fairly sterile environments since the 1970s. Those old enough to have grown in harsh conditions (The Vietnam Generation) are now too old to be part of an effective fighting force.
Also. Most of the states that would want to rebel against the Federal Government are the most reliant on Federal money. Louisiana being one of them.
Go one hot summer in Louisiana without electricity, running water and A/C and you'll never talk about another Civil War again.
There isn't a good or bad side in the movie because, as the protagonist says, "We only document, it's up to the audience to make questions and decide"
Wait until the Larp version comes...
The timing of this movie’s release could not have been any worse
I think it was pretty good timing
@@locus2427 why, in your own opinion?
I've got bad news for you: Every day they delayed it for the next year would have been even worse timing than the day before.
@@gnaskar I didn’t know they delayed it
It's good timing because it's a cautionary tale. The best time to release this movie is before a second American Civil War starts; the worst time would be after.
Hate to be that one guy, but it is pretty much impossible in some parts. There’s no involvement from NATO, or any other events going on. Why are California and Texas working together? The amount of warcrimes as well? It’s also physically impossible for rebel forces to make it inside of the WHITE HOUSE, which is one of the most heavily secured buildings in the world. It also seems like we should be supporting the WF, as we follow them to DC, but I just couldn’t. The amount of warcrimes being affected by the rebels is nasty.
I was able to see an advance screening at the imax in Bayers lake it I absolutely loved the movie. You explained it very well, the movie is brutal and shocking while having some real emotional beats to it
I’m interested in seeing it,kinda wanna know what the “controversy”is all about,you made your points clear but i fail to grasp what’s exactly is wrong with the movie itself.anyways thx for sparking up interest.
@skywalkersbutido6375 from what I've seen online, most of it is who is on each side. As in, Texas would never ally itself with California.
@@Miestwin Yeah, the maps of the factions don't really make that much sense. I just can't take the setting seriously with a map like that unless they do some seriously good explaining.
@@delrunplays2903 I'm curious were you able to take Pulp Fiction seriously without knowing what's in the suitcase?
@@delrunplays2903if you watch the movie, Texas and California have the biggest military bases in the country, it's their military personnel who decide to join forces not the people or politicians residing in those two states. The civilians have nothing to do with the conflict because many are still pretending that war is not happening. There is also a town in the movie that doesn't want to join the war effort and they are living a normal one. The military chooses the frontline not anyone else. The President orders airstrikes on civilians too, that is also a factor for those two states to join forces. They want to stop the brutality and tyranny of the President and don't want to worsen the situation so joining forces against a bigger threat can solve the whole problem.
@@Miestwin You sure about that? Suppose for a moment we accept that Texas IRL is heavily gerrymandered, which means there's a big disconnect between what the people might want and who runs the government. So let's pretend a fascist becomes president, creates an illegal third term and commits some war crimes on urban centers which do not support him. Maybe in this hypothetical the people of Austin along with other left leaning cities decide enough is enough and carry out a coupe on the Texas state government. This might then lead to the Texas/California alliance. Or maybe it's the opposite - maybe the California state government falls by some means.
Sensationalist, muckraking crap.
I plan on seeing it in the next day or so.
I find films about conflict - nation v nation, or civil, to be very interesting and shines a light on where we could be headed.
I've always liked movies about war, be it based loosely on/close to , real-life events, completely fictitious historically, futuristic, etc.
2:45 oh wow, i might actually be able to go over there and afford buy stuff now lmao