What actually counts as Europe?
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Exploring Europe: Where Does It Begin and End? Does Europe's edge stop at Greece, stretch into Russia, or include parts of Turkey and beyond? We examine if geography alone can define a continent and question the role of natural landmarks in shaping our understanding. Can political entities like the European Union provide a clearer picture, or do cultural aspects hold the key to Europe's true essence? This journey is not just about lines on a map, but a deeper quest to understand what makes Europe uniquely European. Join us in this fascinating investigation into the heart and soul of a continent that has captivated the world for centuries.
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You mean like Eurasian plate? 2:19
Εuropeans indigenous peoples are those white Europeans whose heritage comes from Ancient Hellas (Hellenic DNA), that's why there are Europeans in Argentina, Chile, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc. Culturally EUrope is definitely NOT Islam, that's why Turkey, Morocco can never join Europe. Geographically speaking Europe expands from the Atlantic to the Urals, that's why all Russians are also Europeans, unfortunately, due to politics there is a war and everybody calls it a European War, this alone is another proof that Russians are Europeans.
As a schoolkid almost 50 years ago I was tought that Europe is limited geographically by the Atlantic, the Mediterranean, the Aegean and Black sea as weel as the Caucasian and Ural mountains. This still makes the most sense to me, as culture and especially politics can be subject to change, while oceans and mountains tend to stay where they are, at least on a human timescale.
Historicly and culturally I would insist that western Russia belongs to Europe. Looking at it through politics, it does not seem like it, but then politics are a very shiort-term buisness.
I agree.
If the outcome / understanding of a definition was changing as rapidly as politics. Then that definition would effectively be rendered useless, as a definition is only useful so far as people commonly understand its' meaning.
Russia is obviously European, politics means nothing, then Germany wasn't European when they were against the rest?
Problem is Russia’s politics are of a vanishing larger European country type politics of believing your borders do not end
@@OscarOSullivanthat does not affect the clear geographical borders.
@@saccount-z3 🤣🤣🤣 russia is just a state is not a civilization, and it would be a pretty pathetic civilization if it was with basically no ancient history ecc, Russia is clearly European, Russians are slavs like most Eastern Europeans with an influx of vikings blood too... Russia is such a separate civilization that half of their historic buildings were build by French and Italians, their leaders were other Europeans and they were called Zar which just men Caesar, they are famous for a political movement invented in Germany, and they follow the same religion Europe follow.
How they are different? Because putin now is politically opposed 🙄 even in stats Russians are actually quite similar to Europeans.
Turkey's culture is close to the Balkan countries, except for religion. The food, traditional folk clothes, friendliness are close to each other. There are many cultural differences with Western Europe, but Southeastern Europe and Turkey have a lot in common.
Norway was never "kicked out of the club". They had the peoples referendum on joining but at that time Norwegians voted no to join the EU.
He meant kicked out of the club of what counts as Europe, not kicked out of the EU.
@falsevacuum4667 sometimes I forget that Europe bigger than the EU.
@@falsevacuum4667 the club isnt Europe, its an organization, just like Soviet
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It's a complicated question, but I think it's culture, politics and common history that binds the whole continent of Europe! 🇪🇺
Culture, geography and common history for me
Yeah I think that if we had to get strict criteria it’d be like “if you meet 3 of the 4 criteria mentioned in the video”
Agree
Race?
Christian Religion unifies the continent.
Definition of European border:
It is bordered by Asia to the east - the watershed of the Ural Mountains (RUSSIA), the Ural River (KAZAKHSTAN), the Caspian Sea (AZERBAIJAN), the Greater Caucasus (GEORGIA), the Black Sea (UKRAINE, ROMANIA, BULGARIA), the waterways of the Turkish Straights (TURKEY), the Aegean Sea (GREECE), the Mediterranean Sea to the south (MALTA, ITALY, MONACO, FRANCE, SPAIN), the Atlantic Ocean to the west (PORTUGAL, UNITED KINGDOM, IRELAND, FAROE ISLANDS, ICELAND), and the Arctic Ocean to the north (NORWAY).
CYPRUS is not geographically included. But yes ethnically, religiously, politically, and economically part of.
Like ARMENIA (Lesser Caucasus) isn't geographically in Europe but ethnically, religiously, politically, culturally, and historically part of.
However, I do believe that Cyprus and Armenia are part of the European Family.
there is no true definition, only conventions
Do you think Cape Verde is part of the European family? Geographically itis part of Macaronesia together with the Canaries, Azores, and Madeira; demographically it is a half-and-half of Europeans and Africans; historically it has been tied to trans-continental exchanges, and politically it is still deeply tied to Portugal.
The ancient customary border between Europe and Asia is the Don River. So Europe doesn't even reach the caucasus or the Caspian Sea or the Urals
also malta belongs to semitic language family so you can say its african
As you say, you think...
In MY opinion, Europe is the loosely defined westernmost part of the continent of Eurasia that has some common cultural features and is mainly composed of three people/language groups: Slavic, Romance, and Germanic. The more vague countries include Armenia, Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, and Turkey, as they might geographically or culturally more different than other European countries.
I see a lot of people who don't want to include Russia nowadays, but by my definition, I think it fits; yes, Russia's land is mostly east of the Urals, but the vast majority of its population is located west of the Urals, moreover, ethnic Russians (the majority of Russia's population) are undisputably Slavic people as can be seen from their language, looks, food, etc etc. Justifying your opinion based on a military event doesn't make sense, because I think everyone agreed that Germany was in Europe during WWII, right?
Slavs fall outside of most European history, only showed up in the 600s AD and moved to Europe only because Attila the Hun wiped out the Roman population of the Balkans. The Frankish empires and the Germans never considered the Slavs to be European either. At constant war.
@@hia5235 "Slavs fall outside of most European history" u wot.
"only showed up in the 600s AD" Not only did the Slavs originate in Europe, likely to the North of the vicinity of the Dniepr and were already written about by Romans in the 1st century, the Slavs already began migrating and living in Central and Southern Europe in the 400s.
"Attila the Hun wiped out the Roman population of the Balkans." You know very little about history. You don't even realize that the Huns occupied lands outside of the Roman empire, which was the catalyst for Slavs and Germanic people to flee into the Roman empire for protection.
"The Frankish empires and the Germans never considered the Slavs" Well that's just a blatant lie, if only considering The Slavic Mecklenburg, Moravia and Bohemia and Carantania literally integrated into the Frankish Empire and Germany and adopted Latin religious rites with the archbishoprics centered in for instance Augsburg, with the noble families of these states otherwise also intermarrying at the highest levels like Judith of Swabia marrying the King of Poland. You are a liar and a fool.
@@hia5235 That's ignoring that the Slavs were already known a lot earlier, their tribes are named by Greek and Roman historians, that's ignoring that they probably also have as ancestors the Sarmatians and Scythians (besides others) who were known probably earlier than the Germanic tribes.
@@hia5235 You sound like hitler or maybe just his follower? Most white natural blond people IN EUROPE located in Russia, NOT Germany and NOT Scandinavia even if you put them all together.
Russia is geographically Eurasian. Culturally, it depends on exact territory. People in Siberia don't feel European mostly, even if they are Slavs. Also there're a lot of Muslims and Buddhists, it also has some impact on society and its identity.
7:53 as a Finn i am legally obliged to inform that Finland is not apart of scandinavia. Fenno-scandia or the Nordics would be the right term
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That guy is literally saying that continent is defined by beying surrounded by ocean, explaining that Finland is not Scandinavia is probably too much. 😀
@@Pidalin Europe is a peninsula of peninsulas
My friend from the North of Finland doesn't agree with you.
Let's do simple : all these countries are europe (except the city of La Courneuve in the suburb of Paris, wich is Africa) 🤣🤣🤣
10 years later... On this channel... Is france is a part of Europe 😂?
France is no longer France.
I don’t understand why the geographic definition isn’t enough. It’s pretty exact and internationally recognised, so why bother with all this useless polemic about politics and culture? It’s a continent, not a social club you can join or leave.
Just to spin some xenophobia.
Because it makes absolutely no sense on the border with Asia? What kind of continental border is made up of Mountains and a river running through a plain? There is no real geographic continental boundary there. If you are using mountains and rivers, then you can just as easily say that India is own continent demarcated by the Indian Ocean, Himalayas, the Mountain ranges on the border with Myanmar and the Indus river running through Pakistan.
And yet it is internationally recognised as a continent and reflected as such in all world maps, so it doesn’t really matter whether you and I think mountain ridges make a good demarcation line or not, just like it doesn’t matter whether we think that a seven day week is a reasonable time measurement unit or not. Unless you want to seriously propose that the world should agree to re-draw its continental borders, all conversation about “where Europe is” is entirely pointless. It’s where it’s always been.
No, it IS a social club if one is talking about who enters the European Union and who does not. If one is conducting an intellectual exercise concerning geography Europe is the western end of Eurasia. The Caucasus Mountains, and the Ural Mountains and River are simply arbitrary dividing lines to divide Europe from Asia. Europe, geographically speaking, is not even a continent. Culturally, it is a cohesive region that after WWII came see the wisdom in cooperating in unity rather than in fighting each other by competing. The result has been an exciting period of unprecedented peace and prosperity helped by common ties of religion, ethnicity, language, and values. I personally am glad to have lived long enough to see this.
@@TheJayjayforce Curiously enough, often called a SUBCONTINENT, India forms a region of common religions, cultures, and values. My high school freshman world history book considered Indian civilization one of the five great living civilizations. My college freshman world history book often cited many similarities between Europe and India.
I add that there are many more British territories (Bermuda, Cayman, Turks and Caicos, Anguilla, British Virgin Islands, Montserrat, Saint Helena, Ascension, Tristan da Cunha, Pitcairn, Sandwich Islands, South Georgia and British Territory in Indian Ocean) and the Netherlands also has 5+1/2 islands in the Caribbean.😊
- Although the Turkish Empire ended with the abolition of the Ottoman Dynasty in 1922, modern Turkey is the continuation of this country. This is the political thesis of Turkey's Europeanness.
- We largely lost our presence in the Balkans with the ethnic Turkish migration to Anatolia and Europe during World War I. However, the basis of the Turkish identity formed during the Ottoman Dynasty is our old European lands of 1,998,000 km2. This is a historical and cultural argument.
- The thesis that Turks came from Asia is an insufficient thesis. Today, Hungarians, Finns and many Caucasian people who stepped into Europe are of Asian origin. However, today all of them have undergone cultural change in the face of the dominant European identity and culture. Today, there are huge differences between Turks and Turkic peoples. (This is not just because of Europe)
- Although Turkish Thrace is a small region, 10 million Turkish citizens live in this region. This is more than the population of many European countries.
- +BONUS; You can see the traces of European identity in Turkey by reading the English edition of the book Turkish Founding Fathers Of United Europe by Kayhan Karaca.
Sır, we are European sir.
Why you want to become European so badly? You're not 😂
@@sultan_e_hind5051 we don’t want to become European so badly we just are European, Turkey is a EU candidate country, Turkey is in the council of Europe, Turkey is in NATO and many Balkan countries have Turkish food and have Turkish culture in them so we are European our language has old French and Spanish words in them
@@sultan_e_hind5051 and we don’t look like Arabs because we’re not there’s also many blonde blue eye Turkish people so there you go
Because we don't deserve the same treatment as Indians. We have never been a mandate or colony of another country. :D@@sultan_e_hind5051
This is an excellent exercise in why looking for ways to divide ourselves from each other is kinda ridiculous and unproductive: there are _always_ exceptions and inconsistencies to whatever line you might try to draw
My personal definition of Europe is the geographical one on Wikipedia though
I really like this kind of discussion-type video and also the mix of graphics and video. James Kir-Lindsey has perfected the integration of the two in my opinion
It will help to define what is not Europe: not Americas, not Africa. That only leaves one question: Asian border. On that front, you can combine history, religion, ethnicity, etc. That is where it just gets impossible to get a real answer as Europe and Asia (unlike North and South America) are on the same continental plate. Any distinction between Europe and Asia is a pure social construct and thus while some takes may be better than others there is no such thing as a 100% correct answer.
There is a clear divide between the Germans and Slavs. Sorry. European races touched by the Romans are absolutely different.
The US State Department will define that for you as "any allied (satellite) country within or adjacent geographical Europe.
Ironically America (North and South) is considered as one same continent by many countries.
@@luigiking89Ironically????? .....!!!!! America is only 1 continent of the 42 MILLIONS of km2, United States is country of the American Continent, is not 2 continents, is ONLY 1 Continent and Europe is continent of the 11,9 MILLIONS of the km2
Great arguments. I would say based on the rather arbitrary definition of where the Euripean geographical border end, it might be worth looking into other factors such as the vudeo creator did. Then, one could (relatively safely) say, as of present day, what counts as Europe and what does not.
Geographical definition is the best, it's the closes to objective as it gets.
No. There are no objective reasons to draw the border along the Ural Mountains. There are no tectonic plates there. If you draw a border along the Amur River, it will have exactly the same legitimacy and logic, only it will be the border between Russia as a European country and China
The division of the continents is a very Eurocentric thing, it is emblematic how Europeans try to set cultural limits to distinguish what is Europe from what is not, but they do not make the same reasoning for Africa and Asia. It seems that for these two, internal divisions in terms of religion, linguistic family or other cultural aspects matter little. For many Europeans it is very difficult to include Turkey in Europe, but then Turkey itself is in the same continent of Asia together with Myanmar or Mongolia.
Another strange thing is how the Anglo-Saxons define the continent as "Australia" while for others the continent is Oceania.
Furthermore, as a geologist I categorically refuse to divide the continents according to tectonic plates. If this were the case, the system of continents would be decidedly more complicated and I have serious doubts that geopolitics can be based on the tectonic lines of our planet.
I think what we have to realise here is that there is no specific definition of culturally European when defining these other countries. There are shared cultural elements within Europe, but these aren't universal and are very different. (For example, Greece is close to Bulgaria culturally and they're both European, but they're not that connected or close to say the UK and France which may be equally distant). So I think that its really hard to define a European culture. The best way to define whether these countries are European or not are their politics. For example with Australia, you can argue its culturally close to the English, but has no political interactions or recent close history with Europe. Turkey on the other hand, while interacting with the middle east, relies primarily on European institutions in participating globally, as with other countries, and thus has developed standards of life through European infrastructure standards, so I think its more fair to say that Turkey is European .
the EU is not a Christian union. Many leaders and MPs are atheists/agnostic, or of other religion@@elturco69
@@gorilipuantTurkey, Azerbaijan and Kazakistan is not Europe, never, ,is Asia, Turkey, Azerbaijan and Kazakistan is not culture, language, race, religion Europeans,is Asians
@@atlas567 there is no objective answer, that's the point.
Εuropeans indigenous peoples are those white Europeans whose heritage comes from Ancient Hellas (Hellenic DNA), that's why there are Europeans in Argentina, Chile, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc. Culturally EUrope is definitely NOT Islam, that's why Turkey, Morocco can never join Europe. Geographically speaking Europe expands from the Atlantic to the Urals, that's why all Russians are also Europeans, unfortunately, due to politics there is a war and everybody calls it a European War, this alone is another proof that Russians are Europeans.
So I think I should say here why we don’t have these problems in Russia. There are two normal options for dividing continents, these are Europe and Asia and, in our case, Eurasia. BUT, in our schools a person learns two things, these are continents and parts of the world. The continents are standard everywhere, the same as everyone else’s - Eurasia. But parts of the world are an interesting thing. In parts of the world there are: America (all of North and South), Africa, Australia and Oceania, Antarctica, Europe and Asia. We have one continent - Eurasia, but different parts of the world - Europe and Asia. The border between them runs along Geographical lines (the Ural Mountains + the river next to them, to the Caspian Sea, then from Azerbaijan to the Black Sea, and through the Bosphorus Strait in Turkey)
Well we have large historical reasons why Russia aren’t ever considered part of Europe but just an invader who should have stayed beyond the Ural-mountains.
@@inteallsviktigt But this is about Geography, not about politics. When you look at tectonic plates, Europe doesn't even exist, it's really one big Eurasian continent.
Cool
@@inteallsviktigtBad take
@@inteallsviktigt you confused Russians with Hungarians and Finns clown. Go back to school
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I think that to define Europe we should also define Asia. It's like a geometry problem. If Asia's western border starts at the Ural Mountains then there is where Europe's eastern border ends. But from a cultural point of view, the borders of Asia and Europe are arbitrary. It would be surprising if most Anatolian Turks, Chechens and Tatars consider themselves Europeans.
The land mass of Europe is a bit weird when it comes to defining what is Europe and what isn't, and many people will have different views on what defines Europe.
I come to the conclusion of defining it as European ideals, culture and values over geography, and I know that's not very accurate but even the EU bends the rules on what countries can join the EU, regardless of if they are in Europe or not but more based on European ideals, culture and values, and it wouldn't surprise me if the EU continues to expend, over the long run, it could expand out of Europe based on those ideals, culture and values and that the EU could probably do it on a case by case base per country, but that's going to be some time away as there is enough in Europe for the EU to chew on.
In any case, it's complicated, and this debate has been going on for a long time, and honestly, I don't really think it matters in modern times.
Great job!❤
I'd say it would be a combination of all of these.
Geographically from the west, north, and south, it's encircled by oceans. For the islands, it should include any islands that are part of european countries excluding colonies very far away (not sure if i would include or not include the portugese ones right at the coast of africa), and UK, ireland, and iceland for relative proximity and culture.
I'm also not sure if i would include the Spitzbergen but i think yes because of country belonging, unless there is some "north" continent/region that includes greenland and russia's and canada's northern islands.
As for the east, south the border continues through to the black sea, dividing turkey off and leaving a small part of Turkey in Europe.
Not sure about the Cyprus, but i would make it Europe because of the EU.
Then there are two options: Declare russia big bad and end europe right at Russia's borders (the easy solution as the border is well defined), or try defining it through the Caucasus and Ural mountain ranges.
U forgot kaliningrad. Also west russia is europe for sure its history bound it to europe.
It really depends on the context.
Geographically, Europe extends to the Ural mountains, the Caucasus mountains and the straits of Turkey.
Some people often mistakenly exclude Russia even though it's by far the biggest country in Europe.
Russia isn't Europe dude
@@kirillskwertyit is, in fact the the European part of Russia is bigger than any other European country
@@Elijah-cy9do I'm Russian and I think Russia is more Asian country
@@Elijah-cy9do Russia mostly is Asia dude like Turkey
@@kirillskwerty really? Interesting. I see it more as an European country with a huge territory spanning way into Asia, coz most of the people live on the European side and it's culturally, linguistically and ethnically very European.
The only real problem would be defining the Eastern Border of Europe. For me the Eastern Border includes European Russia, Turkey, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbajan
Furthermore, in addition to the rest of the countries that reside west of the Eastern Border, I also consider Greenland to be European
What Makes you include Armenia, Azerbaijan in your definition of Europe. And turkey, I'm just curious. Considering I know a lot of Armenians would not consider themselves to be European.and azerbaijanis as well
@@MrAintGotNoBitches Both Armenia and Azerbaijani are already part of the Council of Europe and this denotes the relationships and cultural exchanges that those territories historically had with Europe, and that they still have at a geopolitical level. Furthermore, in my opinion the European geographical border includes them entirely. I'm sorry that some of them don't identify as European, as happens in Georgia, but it's not up to me to limit borders or make them members of the EU, so what I do is just express personal opinions, that's all. As for Turkey, I hope that sooner or later it will have a government more in line with European ones (as a large part of the population would like) with a less aggressive policy, and that it will finally become, after all these years, an EU member. Furthermore, the historical and cultural reasons are innumerable.
@@Trebor-17 what is being part of a European organization have to do with being European Greenland is part of Denmark and no 1 considers them to be European and considering that Armenians have more in common with Kurdish people and assyrians and.Persians Same goes with azerbaijanis.and other Caucasian groups would not considered themselves to be European either. Outside of georgians.
Its basically a social construct. Its whatever we agree it to be.
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... not really social construction are in society.. europe isnt à society lol its à common civilisation who have différents society
Europe isn't continent, it's peninsula
So then , Africa is a massive island surrounded by water from all of its sides.
Dumb comment to dumb comment.
We're even
Europe is double standards union.
Home of the first known, biggest (cartagian genocide ) and other several genocides.
Gifted to the world 2 world wars.
Europe is transatlantic slavery company
Europe is blaming the other countries with genocides while they try to hide their all cruel history
Europe is human rights but only for europeans of course ))
No one says the UK isn't part of Europe though, that's just the EU. It's not like the UK has to join some economic alliance of another continent now.
(sarcastically) You're right. UK is not part of Europe. UK is their own continent.
We English don't need Europe we never have and never will, push off
No one says that
exept the British people. :-)
@@Mr71paul71LMAO you'll crawl back like dogs eventually.
I heard Europe and Asia is actually one continent.
It's called Eurasia. It's spilt BC of cultural, political, religious differences, Geographically it's one .
To me Europe is the Geographical limits, plus Iceland, Cyprus, Malta, the UK, Ireland, Kazakstan (because they have a bit of land in Europe), Turkey (Same as Kazakstan), The Caucus area is also European in my book, so Georgia, Armenia & Azerbaijan qualify as European in my book.
Where is Europe is a complicated question with no definite answer just like the video says, but I like to keep the definition of what is European as broad as possible because I want as many nations as possible to qualify as European and be given the right to apply to join the EU eventually if they so chose.
What a dumb video. Who ever would not consider Russia as European? Just look at their people and their history started in Europe
Turkey's EU adventure dates back approximately 65 years. Turkey is a place where Europe and Asia blend together. If Turkey had joined the EU many years ago, we would have seen a different Turkey in 2024 in terms of education, politics and military. In my opinion, it is not in the West's interest for Turkey to go neither forward nor backward. They're trying to keep it in balance. This is the policy implemented to date. Since Turkey has seen this more clearly, especially in the last 10 years, it is trying to become a more independent country similar to Russia. The exclusion of Russia and Turkey is a loss for the EU for the future. Moreover, it is doubtful that the EU will stand under one roof :))
Europe is a CLUB, not a continent. Europe is a US satellite.
Your sister is part of the club
@@saccount-z3 You never heard Ventotene manifest ? did you ? Very happy that UK is not anymore part of the club.
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Non of those maps include all of Europe, there's some countries in the caucasus that's partially in Europe.
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Interesting choices, personally I'd use one of the other lines further south that's been used up through history.
For politics the council of Europe (not the same as the the European council) would probably be the best fit.
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Thanks! 😃
Please continue with the EU countries in the EU series.
We will :)
@@EUMadeSimple Excellent !
The Italian historian "Alessandro Barbero" believes that the origin of current Europe is to be found in the Frankish Empire and therefore in Charlemagne. The Carolingian Empire in fact included France, Benelux, Germany, Switzerland, Austria and Northern Italy. This would be the fulcrum from which Europe would be born.
European Union Maybe. The concept of being European is older than Charlemagne. But of course Barbero is a medievalist so he don’t know shit about ancient history. But it’s not the worst thing I have him say
@@marcobelli6856 The concept of Europe is certainly earlier, however it was not used to refer to the entire continent.
Charlemagne is a Charlatane, all Europeans stem from Hellenic Heritage. That is from Rome, which was a Hellenic Colony same as so many others (Marseille, Barcelona, Paris , the whole of Italy etc)
The Frankish empire is one of the key origins of the West, but not of Europe. Europe has two main civilations: the Larin West and the Greek East. The West stretches from Ireland to Poland, Hungary and Croatia. The Greek East stretches from Greece, Romania and Belarus across western Russia to the Urals.
@@glass-floor this vision is extremely limiting. There are European countries that have little connection with the Greek and Roman world. And in any case the history of Europe cannot be limited to the ancient period.
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Another way to decide what is a continent was not mentioned: tectonic plates
Eurasia is a single continent (it is a single plate)
But then that means parts of Siberia and Japan are in North America as they sit on the North American plate!
I will stick to the geographical definition which I was taught in primary school. Additionally, Wikipedia also has good geographical definition of Europe.
Wikipedia a ANGLO - SAXON jewish bullshit
*I am surprised that there was no mention of the Transcaucasia/ South Caucasus countries of 🇦🇲Armenia, 🇦🇿Azerbaijan & 🇬🇪Georgia which Geographically may be Asian but culturally are European - given that all the 3 countries are members of the Council of Europe, European Political Community, in the ‘Eastern Partnership’ of the EU & Georgia which has just even become a Candidate to join the 🇪🇺EU alongside NATO - especially as they don’t have any equivalent ‘Asian’ alliances!*
I mean Georgia kind of does have culture aspect with Europe from time to time
Interesting that you say that considering I know plenty of Armenians and azerbaijanis who would not consider themselves to be European even if they're part of European organizations. Considering the Armenians have more in common with Kurds and assyrians than they do with any European. Same goes with azerbaijanis
@@MrAintGotNoBitches EXACTLY TRUE!WHY WOULD THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES EUROPEANS IF THEIR OWN VERY OLD ROOTS LIES IN ASIA AND PROUDLY INHERITORS OF GREAT ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS LIKE URARTIANS ACESTRAL TO ARMENIANS BEFORE THEY BECOME SOCALLED INDO-EUROPEANISED FROM THAT REGION?
Azerbaijan is religiously and culturaly Turks than Europeans. In many maps part of Europe is Russia to Ural and at Caucasus are only Georgia and Armenia. Armenia and Georgia are many centuries christians. Azerbaijan are muslims. That's what separate Europe.
In the pure geographical definition of continents, Europe is definitely not an independent continent. That is why the "definition" of Europe must be a cultural and political matter and there are rarely clear boundaries
One thing is certain, the EU is definitely not Europe.
Nice video. Thanks. But Europe is Not the EU. That's an economic organisation and some European counties didn't even want to join it while others joined and left. Many European countries are in another organisation called NATO which again some countries don't want to join(once joined it is very hard to leave). Ethnicity and dare I write it Skin Colour have a lot to do with which countries are in Europe. This issue is actually fixed by the geographical boundaries of Europe (stopping at the Urals for instance in the east). Immigration is an ever increasing issue - nationality may be given in some cases but European ethnicity cannot.
In practice the main divider between continents is cultural similarities / differences in combination with geographical proximity. North and South America are culturally European, but they're too far away to be part of the European continent. Personally I see Georgia and Armenia as part of Europe, Turkey as part of The Middle East which in my opinion should be its own continent, and don't know enough about Azerbaijan to have an opinion.
In my opinion, there are only 4 true continents - Europe-Asia-Africa, America (North and South together) Australia and Antarctica. Islands near the mainland count to continent where the shallow marine water continental shelf belongs to. British Isles are therefore part of Europe, and Greenland is part of America. Continents are those which are divided by deep ocean water altogether.
For me, the third map is the European continent (Atlantic to the West, Mediterranean and Black sea to the South, Aegean sea, Caucasian and Ural mountains to the East and the Artic to the North) This means parts of Türkiye, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are in Europe. The British Isles and Iceland are also part of Europe, but Greenland is in North-America. The middel one is a current map of the EU.
@ Mark DDG Greenland is not AMERICA, Kazakistan is ASIA,is not Europe
Atlas i agree
I'm seriously supprised that this wasn't a sponsored channel by the EU itself. I never get EU politics-centric news that ignores all the issues of the sponsor country. (Like DW, Euro News, France 24, etc, etc.)
The contributing bloc needs to give this channel money!
Nobody wants to say it? OK... after traveling, listening and participating in many conversations both private and public most "Europeans" believe to be European is to be ethnically white. They believe "Europe" ends when the skin color gets a little too dark, the hair gets a bit "kinky" and/or the eyes get a little slanted. "Europeans accept that some of them are catholic, protestant, capitalist, socialist atheist, Jewish and even Muslim. But if you're to dark or your eyes tilt a little too much, then you aren't European to them. That's it. Ethnic tribalism determines who they feel belongs with them.
Exactly. Though here in the comment section, we have most people excluding Turkey which are Caucasians, just as much as the rest of Europe is. Because of CuLtUrE.
Well, I'll type the truth. It's that they exclude Turkey because they're muslim, culturally or by belief. The statistics of religious population in Turkey is sadly incorrect. They print everyone's belief as 'muslim' by the goverment, which is led by... surprise surprise, a muslim man! I have turkish friends that aren't even muslim. So they def know better than these pansies in the comments. By what I've seen so far (even politically), I'd say that half of the populi isn't even muslim but Turkey will be always painted as all-muslim, thanks to the dictator Erdo. Half the populi is conservative, the other half is liberal. It's impossible for a liberal to be muslim because they can't align with islam in every way. A liberal muslim is a lie, an oxymoron. So, not only there is some sort of lookism in these people (different features than Europeans = not Europeans) but also cultural and religious segregation. EVEN though they're also Caucasian. Just saying.
My 3 second answer: anyone who's been in the council of Europe at some point
Putting geography aside, the culture that produced Dostoyevsky and Tchaikovsky is of course european. If Europe wants to disown that, no problem, it's Europe's loss.
Let me answer as a Turk; We are not European or Middle Eastern, we are Central Asian. Our family structure, language, traditions and history come from Central Asia. This region is already known as Turkestan.
In fact, the young generation feels Central Asian. Those who see themselves as Europeans are mostly middle-aged people, people who grew up in a warm environment that in the past believed that Turkiye could join the EU. The young generation is trying to stay away from Islam and European values. Anti-refugee, anti-Islam and anti-LGBT.@wr3t3tgetedxadge3fvzdqfgwr5gva
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A very vocal but small group. Unlike the conservative mass, they are very active on the internet.
@wr3t3tgetedxadge3fvzdqfgwr5gva Yes, generally Gen Z, non-religious or atheist, deist, agnostic people and secular modernist people see themselves as Europeans in Turkey, but the majority do not want to feel European.
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How people identify themselves is completly irrelevant to what they actually are. The comment by yorgunliberal735 accurately summarizes what Turks are. (And what they aren't.)
@wr3t3tgetedxadge3fvzdqfgwr5gva *Turk without self-respect.
A pesar de la trágica situación actual, Europa desde Lisboa hasta Vladivostok. Y me parece que al menos deberíamos considerar el Consejo de Europa como una guía o la evolución de las opiniones sobre el espacio europeo desde De Gaulle hasta Macron.
Russia isn't Europe (talking as Russian)
Росія то не нація а колоніальна структура багатьох культур та інших націй. Росія не існує як етнічний стереотип бо змішана з різних етносів і Росія як така не має право на існування бо колоніальна система існування немає фундаментальних правових норм. .@@kirillskwerty
I'am not sure about Morocco but we can set borders of Europe as Cyprus Turkey Azerbaijan Armenia Georgia Russia and Kazakhstan. But exclude impreial powers' overseas lands in other continents. e.g. include Gibralter into Europe but exclude Turks and Caicos Islands in the Careabbian.
European Union is a recent economic block formed on the Cold War. Basically resumed in It's continental extension, from Asia to the end of the european continent, It's the identity of the formation from these national identities historically and economically considerable, accounted by the end of the WW2 and It's consequences of conflict. It's final purpose, unionship and formation of the economic block, had the purpose of the reconstruction of the European economies and the regrowth of the destruction of the Wars in It's landmass extension that goes all the way from the North region to the South. Ideologic and military speaking, It's strategy is an expanse agains't the URSS, supposed ideology and military advance.
This is a lot of gum stretching, you know what Europe is by knowing what it is not.
To me it is all about shared values.
What values would those be? 100 genders?
In this case the determining factor could be the integration among the surrounding countries, that includes the island countries around and excludes Russia, which places itself apart for referring others as ‘the west’. I can’t see how Marrocos or Turkey would be compatible.
Such a bad answer to such a simple question. So many things wrong with this video, like if Morroco applies for EU then all of the sudden they are European. No it's already decided what is European, there is map on that. The Ural mountains and Caucasus mountains divides Europe from Asia as well ass the Mediterranean sea and Black sea divides Asia from Europe. Just because Roman empire owned non European territories doesn't mean they were European, is like saying UK owned 70% of the world, therefore 70% of the world is European. Nonsense.
Turkey is definitely not European in terms of culture, ethnicity and geography. Russia is partly European in those terms
😂don't make that sure, since modern day Turks genetically mostly Byzantines, thus Turkey culturally many similarities with Balkans, and lastly geographically land of Turkey is deeply tied with Europe since Hellenistic era
UK was not kicked out of the EU, we left all on our own.
In the beginning you rightfully said while reading the definition ‚ideally separated by a body of water‘ which doesn‘t necessitates a body water. Britain and Ireland are undeniably part of Europe, they are just Island, admittedly bigger ones, but not big enough to be considered a continent, that would be like claiming Japan isn‘t a part of Asia. Europe ends at cultural and geographic Borders, albeit dynamic ones, but Russia, the caucasus a part of Khazakstan and a bit of Tuekey could be considered European
Russia is 100% European despite the current political situation
Facts
I've been researching about my family heritage a couple years ago. What I found is 250+ people! They all came from the same place as me, Scania (Skåne in swedish), the southest region of Sweden.
Scania has belonged to Sweden since 1658, my recorded reasearch reach back to 1756!
Before 1658 it belong to Denmark, so I'm thinking that I have danish relatives somewhere.
Throughout 1600, 1700 and 1800 century, the scanians were roughly integrated into the swedish people, sometimes with force. That is a result of today that a big part of the people of Scania want to belong to Denmark once again, or being independent.
Me, myself want it to belong to Denmark again, we share much more history and culture with Denmark than with Sweden. Nevertheless, we are still europeans
6:14 *I am surprised that there was no mention of the Transcaucasia/ South Caucasus countries of 🇦🇲Armenia, 🇦🇿Azerbaijan & 🇬🇪Georgia which Geographically may be Asian but culturally are Asian - given that all the 3 countries are members of the Council of Europe, European Political Community, in the ‘Eastern Partnership’ of the EU & Georgia which has just even become a Candidate to join the 🇪🇺EU alongside NATO - especially as they don’t have any equivalent ‘Asian’ alliances!*
Georgia - old European country! Georgia has always been part of Europe in terms of racial, historical, religious, cultural, mental, polyphonic singing. Wine was invented in Georgia. In honor of the healer of the Colchis princess (as present-day Western Georgia was called in ancient times) - Medea (the legend of the Argonafthas), the Greeks named the branch of healing - Medicine. Georgia collaborated closely and was an ally of the Crusaders, since it itself was an old Christian country and so on. Advice to you - study history and do not listen to Russian anti-Georgian propaganda!
4:44 which city is that?
Ukraine is not in EU
Really? No wayyyyyy
Turkey isn't europe as a argument is literal joke while Cyprus and Georgia exist
Your point?
Very informative video. Didn't know you were a Warhammer 40K fan lol.
You forgot mountains as a continent boarders.
It makes more sense to refer to Eurasia (minus India) as a continent, than Europe. International law seems to have more and more to do with somewhat geological notions, like continental shelf (hence the recent enlargement of America, and the Russian claims based on an underwater ridge in the Arctic).
Aren't all borders, even the ones born with the best intent based off of vague notions of areas and people? Literally every border is wrong according to hundreds of millions of people and has always been wrong both pre and post colonialism.
Why would you exclude india from eurasia?? india is more asian than europe ever could be
@@user-qk5mm1yw7y I am guessing because India is not part of the Eurasian tectonic plate?
Imo, it's geography or nothing. Europe begins at the Atlantic and ends at the Ural mountains. We can spend an eternity arguing based on culture and values, which aren't consistent and change as time passes. Some countries occupy land on more than one continent. But that doesn't change the geography. Western Russia is European, while Eastern Russia is Asian. Same with Turkey.
Now, regarding the question of whether a nation itself is European. I think it doesn't matter. I would say that a nation is European if its capital was on European soil and the majority of its population also, but these are subjective standards.
“i would say a nation is European if it’s capital was on European soil…”
- however, what we are trying to figure out here is what is europe..
to include russia as part of europe is such shallow and eurocentric view.
russia is basically separate civilization state, like china, india, muslim world and africa.
does religion make countries european or western?
well phillippines is mostly christian country, and no one would view them as western coutry or european for that matter.
united states is western but it is not european.
albania and bosnia are muslim countries, however most recognize them as european.
and as for as culture goes, united states champions freedom of speech, democracy and so on and on, but it is not european.
so how is russia european exactly?
Thank you for that video.
In my opinion the answer must be "yes" because both Turkey and Russia are (partially) in Europe.
As to other countries it’s more complicated,but I think that countries close to Europe that have cultural and/or historical similarities and common values may be considered as "European".
If Turjeh and Russnazia are in Europe, treh are bigest populous contry. This means they decided future politics in Europe. So this means future will be dictatorships , 🤑
@@user-ux3ye8cv7g Terminology won’t stop anyone. They are in Europe and we can’t do anything with that.
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Obviously because you love dictatorship, help Nazirusia to dominate Europe. But Putler, Dughin, in Russia speack about eurasian civilisation, not european
@@user-ux3ye8cv7g no I don’t. Endogan and Putin are both shit.
I think the only way to figure out a good answer is to ask people everywhere "Are you in Europe?" and "Is country X in Europe?" where X is further away from Germany than the current country. This will give different answers based on country but also gives a better image of what people consider as Europe.
8:32 i wasted nine minutes of my life for an answer that i knew already. I hate my brain right now.
But still love ya, EUMS. Good luck in the future
Thank you! And appreciate you watching :)
@@EUMadeSimple no problem. And as a matter of fact, i will have an exam of EU institutions tomorrow. So maybe i will watch your early videos to refresh my knowledge.
@@cgt3704 good luck tomorrow :)
It certainly doesn't have anything to do with being in the EU, which is a political and economical power structure. Being European is about cultural identity, shaped by a common history.
The USA and Europe have neither a common history nor the same mentality. The fact that many US residents came from Europe does not make them equal.@@saccount-z3
Would Kazakhstan be considered European based on geographic location alone?
No
I think the geographical Europe is the well known Ural / Bosporus line. Therewith Russia belongs geographically to Asia (3/4) and Europe (1/4) of its land area. But this geographical definition is not relevant to considering Europe as "political continent". And the idea of an political european continent becomes a reality with the founding of the EU states community. And nowadays every one thinking about "European Continent" is thought about EU space. And that UK, Norway and Switzerland is not part of EU and therewith not part of Europe is due to an faulty EU constitution, which repells this nations to be EU member. With this idea of Europe Russia becomes an Asian State like China, India and Iran. And this is also resembled in an alliance formation between this major asian powers. If Erdogan is friendly to EU community, Turkey is taken into the heart of Europeans and Turkey is felt as belonging to Europe and not to Asia. If Erdogan is unfriently to EU community Turkey is regarded as Asian country belonging to Russia - China sphere. Typically for the European Continent is that it is Christian and from Nordic White Race. Because this is valid for Georgia and Belarus to, this nations can be easily integrated into EU community like Ukraine and Moldowa. But Turkey is islamic. Attatürk dried to repress islam from goverment and proposed an shift toward Europe, which was not yet joint from the EU states federation. But the European continent border is nowadays strongly coupled to the relation to EU community. More valueable than the traditional Bosporus - Ural line.
I believe in Europe as a mix of both geographical and cultural definitions, that needs to be reinforced into its political branch.
European countries share both a geographical area, not delimited by any natural borders in particular, and a minimum common culture, based mostly in societies modeled by Christianity influences and the European political movements throughout history, such as the Illustration.
However, in order to be a politically European country, the requisites are different: They need to be a democracy, either in EU or being EU-leaning.
Therefore, in my definition of Europe, most of the continent except for Turkey, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, probably. However, politically speaking I exclude Russia and Belarus for obvious reasons.
Keep in mind that these aren't written-in-stone definitions: more countries could be included or excluded as world changes with time. I also think that the geographic criteria is not very consistent. I guess that the European name is just a way to name it. My country has a border with Morocco, yet it is clear that latinoamerican countries, for instance, are much closer to my European definition.
Up until 1975 Spain was a fascist dictatorship, would you consider Spain as not European before that?
As a Georgian, Georgia is a politically, culturally and historically part of Europe and partially geographically too.
I am Italian and I agree with you. I hope you will join EU soon.
@@O3Br Two nations, but we are one species! Due nazioni, ma siamo una sola specie! From Georgia.
Georgia is Christian middle eastern country that got occupied by Russia. Before Arab conquests most of Middle East was Christian, and many Christians still remain, like Armenia, Lebanon, Assyrians, Copts etc.
Sit down please, a nation with literacy rate 75% is not European by any means. Nor your fellow cititzens’ common behaviour confirms that. I’m sorry but that’s the way it is.
Personally a big fan of the culture approach, but I can see why some would think that it has holes, esp. since most former soviet people clearly weren't European in culture, but grew into it. The same would need to happen with people in the Balkans, in Ukraine etc.
And what culture would that be exactly?
pro tip: ask for why the person wants to know and force him to concretise the context and purpose of the question. That's like asking is 30+1 always 31? yes, if it's not a date, or if "+" means something else like concatenation => 301. Or like when someone asks "what is intelligence?"... well there are different more or less useful approaches and applications. Abstractly it doesn't mean anything,.Only in a relation with other things, actions and desired outcomes it becomes meaningful. So if the application is to sort people or countries by "being European", you stare at him blankly until he goes away.
We need a inbetween term to actually make everything make sense. As a Turkish person I don't neither fully feel Asian (and when I say Asian I don't even include the Middle East, I just do not accept the concept of Middle East, there's no commonality in "Middle Eastern" countries to put them in the same category whatsoever, even religions differs widely from Turkey to Arabian peninsula to Iran) nor European. I think the term "Eurasian" should be applied to both Turkey and Russia officially in the international level. And this term should not be seen as "countries that are both Asian and European" but rather as "countries that neither fully European nor Asian".
That is a valid reasoning as Turkey is a transcontinental country in terms of its land. Humans like to categorize things with strict definitions. To add to this point, speaking as a Turkish person, I could say that Turkey itself has people with different socioeconomic and cultural backgrounds within itself while those that adopt more Western-oriented values reside roughly on Thrace to Mediterranean regions. That is why Turkey does fall into an ambiguous category to define if its whether European or Asian.
I think its often avoided as a topic but skin colour and religion are also big factors in this. A similar skin colour indicates common exchange of people, religion an exchange of ideas. This is the main reason I think most people don't include Turkey. Purely from proximity it seems it should be included.
The problem with religion is that Europe isn't religious cohesive. The Orthodox patriarch and the Pope are still on hostie terms, Protestantism and Roman catholigism are still weary of each other.
And then there are the muslim peoples of Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania, and some muslim groups in Bulgaria, Cyprus, and Ukraine.
@@briancops3798 Christianity is split into many sects but those are usually (historically at least) Christian countries. Many are moving towards atheist now. They aren't primarily Muslim like Turkey
Its nit about color but religion, southern europeans and peoples from the Mediterranean region look mostly the same, from Portugal, To Italy, Algeria, Turkey and Lebanon. Also southern europeans are darker than Northern europeans, does that mean they are both different races?
@@davidjennings2179 Albania and Kosovo are primarely muslim.
Also Turkey is mostly secular in the main cities. Sure the countryside is very religious but the same happens in Poland or Italy.
You could argue Azerbaijan's position towards religion is more European than Armenia
It is not complicated Question, Cyprus, Half of Turkey, Russia until Caspian Sea line is Europe. When Blacksea and Caucusus Mountain ends Europe ends Asia starts.
Mentioning the Roman Empire, on Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia and Syria, these countries were colonial conquest of the Romans, they were considering the African territory and the Arabs. Colonies from Europe extend to all of Africa, Asia and America. The Antarctica deal and islands around the globe were dealings made in the WW2 Era to Cold War period, correct me If I'm not mistaken.
Both Russia and Turkey are Eurasian countries. Solved.
I have never heard more facts spoken in my life
0:02 This map is highly offensive. Excluding Russia and especially Belarus due to political issues in a topic that is cultural and geographical is extremely biased. Russian part of Europe is bigger than a whole EU and Belarus is completely in Europe from all points of view
Hqve you watched the whole video?
How about Australia who's even been included in the Eurovision or New Zealand.
The Schengen area fills up those holes...
0:20 Not gonna lie, you don’t look anything like what I was imagining. 😅😅
He rocking that square head
@@historyandstuff16 So I'm not the only one who thinks that
he’s a very pretty square head 🧡🧡🧡
Europe is where Europe is
to me the geographic lines in wikipedia make sense
Whenever someone uses a definition of Europe that is too narrow, I'm asking back which continent these excluded countries X should belong to.
Asia? Africa?
Türkiye is not a European, Asian, Middle East, or Africa. Türkiye is Türkiye, middle of all those parts.
You're right. It's an anomaly on Holy Terra.
No Turks aren't european
Lets not forget that, Ottomon Empire was ruled the South of Europe for a very long time. And it was not long ago. And the Capital was in the Europe, and they funded those areas heavily, not gave a damn about Anatolia or the Southern part. They lost both of them. But culturally countries in the area were affect each other for centuries. It’s hard to draw an exact line. Funny thing is Turkey’s Turk doesn’t look like as original Turks from Central Asia. It’s a melting pot for sure.
personally i consider eurasia 1 continent
also i kinda feel like there are only 4 continents
*As I see it - given that Europe is regarded as a continent for its cultural differences from Asia rather than Geographically, I would consider Iceland, Malta, Cyprus, Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan & Russia in Europe.*
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Azeris and Turks are muslim + most population lives in Asia = not Europe
Not turkey.