When all you have is a Hammer - Changing Iron Man 2
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Is Iron Man 2 perfect? No. But it has a solid foundation. And maybe, just maybe, you could remove just one character and get a far more satisfying story.
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Out of curiosity why not use the Detroit Steel Armor instead of Titanium Man?
She's an OK character, not my favorite from the MCU
@@InverseAgonist Oh, I am just familiar with the Detroit Steel Armor from Marvel Comics, the one that looks like a gundum mech which apparently has connections to Justin Hammer. But I have no idea who has piloted it besides presumably Justin Hammer so, I have no idea who the character your talking about is.
I can't believe Thanos' least favorite daughter is your ex-wife
That Rach 3 reference makes me so happy, haha
Everyone’s goal in life should be to find someone who loves you more than Nando loves Justin Hammer.
He is completely elegant and bafflingly beautiful.
Nando v Movies that’s fair. It also helps that he’s played by the legend Sam Rockwell. Love your videos btw. I watch them all the time.
I prefer to have realistic goals
That'd be like telling us to find something that can travel faster than light. It's scientifically impossible to find someone who loves you more than Nando loves Justin Hammer.
As much will also do
This sentence just popped into my head when you talked about Hammer's line about destroying a legacy.
"It's not about killing the man. It's about making sure nobody shows up to the funeral."
Room full of claps. 6 ft apart.
@@tripttwe *bows, 6 feet apart*
@@Double-R-Nothing lol nice
That's an awesome line that needs to be in a movie
is that quote yours or one you saw somewhere?
Fun Fact: in the comics, Whiplash'S identity is Markus Scarlotti, who makes an appearance in an episode of Agents of Shield, where he fights agent may with a knife whip (yes really).
Ah, yes, I remember Scarlotti.
Here I thought I was the only person who still watched that show.
I always thought that the armor should've been the race car itself or maybe the cockpit. I think I'd be awesome to see Tony cause the crash and immediately try to redeem himself by wrapping himself with the car armor and jumping into the fray to help people out of the wreck.
I honestly feel like Ivan could have worked even in the same movie as justin Hammer. If you set him up corectly Ivan can be a man who uses the arc reactor for selfish reasons (to get revenge) while Tony uses the arc reactor for selfless reasons (helping People). That could go hand in hand with tony's Statement "one man's tool is another man's weapon". Together with justin Hammer who for me represents a Tony stark who has never been in the cave we have two villains that show us what Tony could become or has been in Hammers case. So when those "bad Versions" of Tony come together to destroy Tony, he would literally have to fight Version of him that he either was (hammer) or could have been (Ivan vanko). Obvisouly you would have to rewrite the movie quite a bit to draw more Parallels between Tony and ivan so that we can truly see that Tony could become more like him so everything feels more satisfying when he chooses the right thing at the end.
Finally someone who “stans” the MCU Justin hammer as much as I do no complaints Nando 😭🔥
Am I the only who prefers Iron Man's old suits over the nanobot version which to me just seemed less interesting
Tony not being able to take the suit with him everywhere, cause it was kinda like a vehicle, put him in more vulnerable positions. When the hero has more limitations, it means they make more interesting decisions, so are more interesting to the audience.
I kinda liked that in Iron Man 3, he had suits with different strengths and weaknesses. With the nano suit he can do everything without having to plan.
@@Waddings Yea but he died after that so its cool, right? Like by the end of the character's story, you get to see a version of them that overcame those weaknesses and then he dies so now you don't have to worry about the character being so OP that the tension is gone.
However, I think MCU Spidey has the issue you speak of.
Finally a man with some sense Hammer nailed it
I don’t normally like fan rewrites, but this is really great! I’m glad I’m not the only one who really liked Sam Rockwell’s Justin Hammer
Just came here to say the court scene in Iron Man 2 is perfection.
Small detail: Mickey was nominated for an Oscar, but he didn't win.
man, you blew my mind every time you make some adjustments for these movies, on paper your suggestions seems amazing
The one thing Hammer doesn't have going for him is that it is hard to perceive him as a threat in general, let alone to Tony.
Really happy he is returning to the MCU.
I was honestly expecting a video where you rewrite Justin Hammer as the main villain and I really liked your idea here. Especially Justin Hammer being Titanium Man since I think he was Titanium Man in one of the cartoons.
I think it would be cool if he was part of your version of Age of Ultron where you had some of previous like Abomination and Crossbones along with the Twins (although including Hammer might make it a bit too crowded).
14:58 I love the oft-repeated euphemism "really well"...
This brings it a little close to the first Iron Man movie, but I still like this a lot more.
Solid nod to armored adventures with the titanium man
Justin Hammer is great, but I think if Vanko was done right there could've been some interesting conflict about their respective dad's legacies
how about Vanko’s in the movie like normal up until the racetrack scene, somehow Tony gets the briefcase suit before Happy shows up so we can get that awesome suit-up scene… and then Happy runs him over with the car and he dies, and Hammer is forced to go to plan B.
Also recomend Hi-Top films video on Iron Man 2, because it explains (among other things) what Vanko _could_ have been.
He can walk on to the track because he’s dressed as a marshal, someone has access to the track in case of a crash. There’s also been times people have ran onto the track
4:30 I think most of your viewers know what it means to be a foil. That’s like 9th grade English.
UA-cam has those guys with crazy obsessions, like we have Anthony Fantano and Death Grips, and now Nando, with Justin Hammer
Totally agree! Justin Hammer is a great character, and Sam Rockwell is awesome.
The only fail I can see in that film is Ivan Danko.
In this version, Justin Hammer is basically Iron Man's Eggman. Also, The thing I would change is Justin Hammer's Armor is Crimson Dynamo. Save Titanium Man for Iron Man 3.
Dang im impressed. Did not think i would agree with you but im convinced!
I didn't pick up on it, until another You Tube channel had mentioned it: The symbol for Hammer Industries is a representation of Asgard, which makes sense due to Odin and Thor using Mjolnir (a hammer)
Mickey Rourke could still be the scientist. Evolve into Whiplash for Iron Man 3 (which we all know was bad) or in a later arc.
Justin Hammer actually was Titanium Man once already in the iron man armored adventures cartoon
Remember back when it was an actual issue, that the arc reactor was both keeping Tony alive and killing him? Remember back before he could just decide to have someone take it out, and it just happens?
I was just thinking that they could add alot of elements of Armor Wars and Demon in a Bottle by making Justin Hammer be the main antagonist, and possibly put Crimson Dynamo as the secondary antagonist. To me, this goes with the quote about legacy and how it would affect Tony seeing his father's legacy being used by people, like Hammer and Crimson Dynamo, and the measures he would take to get his legacy back.
They should have a disney+ series on justin hammer
And now I'm wondering if Nando's ever gonna do a video comparing Justin Hammer to Aldrich Killian...two Tony Stark foils having at it.
I always thought foil referred to fencing. You learn something new...
3:24 Huh, sounds like the MCU Spider-Man movies.
Hollywood needs more people like you.
I wonder how nando felt when he saw hammer in the "all hail the king" one shot
30:45 actually the missile didn’t activate because when whiplash shot it he was too close to Tony and Rhodey so hammer would’ve been able to use it way better other than that great video
To further emphasize the point that Tony isn't at the top of his game at 20:10, Tony could even be having trouble rescuing people as Iron Man. The seizure bit could go further. Maybe he can't see straight or he's having trouble concentrating. Maybe, one of the drivers even has a serious accident or is killed due to Tony's negligence. This would then give Hammer even more evidence to back his claims that the drones are great idea.
You write a great Justin Hammer, Nando! The scene about the locked armor is on point.
A palladium seizure is way more interesting
Some of the most intelligent commentary and assessment on UA-cam. Thank you again!
Love how you included titanium man.
I’m gonna have to go against the grain here and say that this fix basically turns the movie into sort of iron man 1 again, with the ceo bad guy trying to get a thing tony has, and then fighting tony in a big iron monger suit at the end.
I think the concept of Justin Hammer as main villain works all the way up to the point where Hammer climbs into the Titanium Man armor and rehashes the end of Iron Man I. It's completely out of character for Hammer and totally implausible that a huckster with no combat training would pose any serious threat to either Iron Man or War Machine. What would make far more sense is Titanium Man as a renegade skunk works project Ivan Vanko cooked up to outclass both Tony Stark AND Justin Hammer. Then you get both Vanko's beat down scene and Hammer's crushing comeuppance in the end, with Hammer forced to watch helplessly as his drone army is demolished and his scheme to use Rhodey to frame Tony Stark gets turned on its head.
Armor wars on disney plus gives me hope. maybe theyll bring Hammer back.
I really hope they bring back Justin Hammer in future movies.
Now that Iron man is gone, Hammer can try to be the next charismatic billionaire/playboy/philanthropist/leader of a superhero group.
Maybe he can be the leader of the Dark Avengers or the Thunderbolts.
Sam Rockwell is too good to be wasted in only one movie. The character is, too.
Whiplash would've been great as a disgruntled employee that uses his access to build his own weapon, though because it was made in the lab it gives the main villain the flashy oomf to sell the military contract
When I was watching that intro I was like "You better not get rid of Justin Hammer! He was the saving grace of the movie!"
The only thing about this is, it turns Hammer into just a variant of Obadiah Stain. Just someone else jealous of Tony, trying to steal his suit, motivated by pride and greed. Ivan’s strength is that he doesn’t have to steal anything- he already has the tech- and he isn’t impressed by anything Tony has.
You could have venko in the movie and just not have him be a villain. Have him be a support character for hammer. This could spark a conversation between venko and tony where Tony restores the legacy of venkos dad. It fits in the theme of legacy that's sprinkled throughout the movie.
So... I love this idea. Like a lot. I'm pretty baffled that it wasn't what we actually got. It makes so much sense and it sounds like it'd be a ton of fun. Plus, more screen time for Justin Hammer. That in and of itself makes this incredible XD Nice job, once again Nando
Can't believe it's finally happening. Yes I'll finally merch from a UA-camr. Can't be helped. Must own that shirt.
If Kevin Feige ever retires (knock wood not anytime soon), I think we know who'll be his worthy successor.
This is great and works really well
From the moment Ivan Vanko was named, I was sure we would get the Crimson Dynamo. And we should have. Vanko should have been some Russian guy with a grudge, working for Hammer, like you said. However, it should have been both Anton & Ivan as a father-son duo that wants to get back at Howard for "stealing Anton's ideas" and Ivan wanting to prove he's a much better programmer than Tony. But, alone, they can't really make a functioning attack robot that can fight Iron Man. The fight at Monaco could be how they and their first robot, Iron Comrade, is tested out. But it gets blown to bits by the suitcase armor. Then Hammer hires them and somehow gets his hands on the Iron Man mk2. He gets it to the Vankos and they reverse engineer it into three suits, using a power core and Operating system of their own designs: The Crimson Dynamo, The War Machine and the Titanium Man, each with their own specific gimmicks. The Crimson Dynamo is a sleek, bright red and silver suit that has sorta bulky pauldrons and gauntlets and a backpack. The backpack houses extra power batteries because this suit uses all sorts of powerful lasers and microwave rays and electrical attacks. The War Machine is just like it is in the movie. And the Titanium Man is a big, green heavy suit that's almost like Vanko's suit at the end. This suit is more like War Machine. It uses heavy calibur arms and boosted rockets to fly and has TWO miniguns, but instead of flipping up his shoulder, they move from his back to under his arms. So these are what Hammer plans to sell and mass produce. Hammer makes his pitch to the military and they ask for Rhody to personally test one out in the expo. He reluctantly agrees and becomes the pilot of the War Machine. Before the expo, Rhody warns Tony that something about these suits seems way fishy. So, at the expo, instead of a legion of drones, Hammer debuts these three suits. Tony shows up to warn the military not to buy those suits because they're just cheap knockoffs of his that are untested and dangerous for the pilots. Ivan, who is piloting the Crimson Dynamo, is outraged at this insult and takes a shot at Tony. Rhody tries to stop him, but the two fly off and War Machine and Titanium Man, being piloted by Lt. Doug Johnson [known as Detroit Steel in the comics.], give chase. There could be an allusion to his comic counterpart as the Titanium Man has either a weapon called the "Detroit Steel Buster" or when he asks what the suit's name is, they say "Titanium Man." And he tells them some story about how either back home he was called Detroit Steel or it was his call sign or something, but they insist "Titanium Man". So when Tony makes that jab "Oohhh, 'Titanium Man' because titanium is stronger than iron. ReAL cReATiVe!" He sullenly mutters "I told them it should have been Detroit steel!" Anyway, once out of the public's sight, Johnson, who has been fighting with Rhody this whole movie through, sees this as his opportunity to be rid of Rhody once and for all. Then we have our final fights which end with both of the Hammermechs losing mostly to their own design flaws. Crimson Dynamo overheats and almost kills Vanko inside. Titanium Man eventually can't keep up with Iron Man and War Machine's mobility and its extra armored parts start falling apart due to impacts and his battery, eventually, just gives out. War Machine runs out of ammo really quickly. Justin Hammer is completely embarrassed and ruined and later is arrested for stealing the mk2 from Tony's residence, which Pepper found a way to prove. Coulsn's crew comes to clean up and confiscate, Doug is fired and the movie ends.
Nando, love your vids but I have to nitpick (not unlike your podcast, mostly nitpicking, am subscribed) but I've always assumed whiplash would have walked on the track and caused destruction just to cause a scene, assume Tony would be there to see it (high profile man at what appears to be a high profile event, he would have heard Tony would be there) and would use this scene to draw Tony out. Tony deciding to drive was just a happy coincidence for him.
All my sentiments and more. I was more excited to hear about Justine Hammer being in the film than Whiplash who I never understood as a formidable opponent to a hero that can fly and shoot long range weapons.
This is my favorite UA-cam video ever it so well made and I would love to this script as a movie thank you for the video. Dance like Justin Hammer.
This is amazing and couldn’t agree more
Next change the old boy hallway fight scene but instead of a hammer he uses Justin Hammer.
Apparently the Whiplash character had a lot more depth and back-story in the original version of this movie, but the studio made them cut a lot of it out. They didn't set out to make him a one-dimensional, revenge-driven cliche, but after the surprise success of the first Iron Man movie, everybody and their nephew wanted to stick their fingers in the sequel.
22:16 I would include Happy at the end as well.
Now THAT was a better Iron Man 2 than what we originally got. Plus it would save time and Money if they redshifted the focus to Justin Hammer instead of Whiplash. Thanks for making such a great redo take on Iron Man 2.
Awesome. This is what I love about Nando V Movies: his work is his passion, and he clearly loves his work because it gives him creative freedom. Justin Hammer is indeed a better villain for this movie. Hopefully, we will get a fix for Iron Man 3. Maybe the Ten Rings and the actual Mandarin show up, along with Fin Fang Foom?
I think I was watching late night with jay Leno with Mickey Rourke being promoted for iron man 2, and he was barely cognizant of being in this movie. Jay asked him to give a intro to the clip and his character. He just started stammering literally for a few seconds. Jay had to save him and introduce the clip and his character and into iron man 2 movie. Sam Rockwell does his usual crazy dancing strut. On a separate note, they also did a separate short on Justin hammer in prison and the introduction, of sorts, of the real mandarin taking the fake mandarin.
Why has there been 2 Iron Man 2 videos today? Is it it’s 10 year birthday???
Ivan can still be a villain in the movie, but only in the beginning, hammer could have just taken the whiplash idea and been the villain in the suit
Titanium Man is actually used by justin hammer in the cgi ironman cartoon
I feel like in the Monaco fight, whiplash was trying to disturb the race so that tony would suit up and stop him. It still is a very bad plan.
This is my favorite change you’ve done yet
sam rockwell reminds me of a smaller Joseph Pantoliano's capitan character from the bad boys series
You're not the first person to observe that Vanko's plan doesn't make sense because Tony wasn't supposed to be on the track, but like everyone else... you're not thinking it from the right angle. Vanko wasn't on the track because he thought Tony would be there, he's on the track to cause destruction and bring Tony to him. He didn't attack in the hotel because there are no TV cameras in the hotel. There's no spectacle. It's not just about killing Tony, it's about *ruining* Tony.
I haven't watched iron man 2 in ages but if I had to get rid of hammer. Then whiplashes dad made the reactor and tons of weapons that Tony's dad took all the credit for. Also whiplashes dad is alive and orders his son to kill start to get revenge. At the end whiplash stops and just leaves. Iron man meet whith the dad and the dads in the suit whiplash was in same thing but they throw him in prison and not death.
I agree! Hammer is my favorite thing about this movie ... but I like the entire film.
Hammer is more marketing and salesman than designer and engenieer.
What if, instead of taking whiplash out, let's make him appear on the track and hurt Tony. It establishes of the effect on the world of him declaring himself as Iron Man and the start of his realisation that his is mortal, that began in the end of Avengers. Plus, we can also have Ivan talk to Tony before and manipulate him into getting on to the track.
I was about to switch off the video until you said only Justin hammer
I’m a simple man. I see a video about Justin Hammer, I click on it.
Up until now, I always associated a character foil to the math rule for multiplying parentheses together FOIL (First Outer Inner Last). (A+b)(c+d)=ac+ad+bc+bd. I feel like such a nerd but I thought it was because it expanded the character like it expands the math expression.
I needed my Justin Hammer fix, thanks. Hammer would make a great main villain, but should he really end with a dud? He should at least appear threatening during the fight at least. Also why did you limit the drones to 4 ? That really limits the possibilities for a fight in the garden.
Ivan vanko as Whiplash or Crimson dynamo could still be a minor villain to link Tony with the heritage of his father as a ruthless arms dealer, the legacy of Howard Stark comes back and that forces Tony to think about his legacy.
Also there needs to be the retconnned Peter Parker scene.
This film gets a bad rap. I love it. It's way better than a lot of MCU films. And Hammer should always be mentioned in a convo about the best villains in the MCU
Nah, you need a fight at the racetrack. Doesn't matter who, but this is a superhero movie and Monaco is pretty much the opener.
I always thought Endgame could have put more effort into the 5-year future scenes, maybe something like Hammer working for the Avengers after getting out of prison.
Will Justin Hammer be involved in armor wars? I hope Disney watched this video and took notes!
What if I told you this is my new head canon.
I think it could have still worked with both. I love Whiplash and his relationship with Tony. The issue I see is that he and Hammer never seem to actually ever work together. Hammer wants something from Venko but they never accomplish anything together so they just seem like 2 half measures. I think if Venko early on created a rudimentary suit and failed a rest run without Ironman knowing. Hammer saw it and decided the quickest way to to raise his profile and program is to work with Venko. Not only can he give Venko resources to make a great suit but Venko could improve the drones. Think of The Incredibles. The villain monster is created by the real villain so he can appear the hero. Middle fight has an upgraded Venko use his info about the arc reactor to do some real damage to Tony. Last minute before Ironman can turn things around Hammer drones jump in and quickly beat Venko. Suddenly Hammer has saved Tony in the eyes of the public. Tony is a very public alcoholic. The media is turning on Tony. This make a real low point for the hero and makes the villains look like a functional team. Venko has what he wants, Hammer has what he wants, and now a Tony needs to crawl back. You can still end in a betrayal but Hammer should betray Whiplash. Much more in character and Venko has effectively framed himself. Then Venko could turn all the drones on both Hammer and Tony. Hammer can’t really admit he was working with Venko so in the public eye a terrorist was able to exploit a flaw in the drones. Tony beats Venko which by proxy also makes him better then Hammers drones.
Long story short, the villains need to work together because they never are really on the same page in the original film.
Anyone ever think the bit with happy and Pepper at the beginning is simply there to be a Jon Favreau insert? I feel like he got upset that he had to make an Avengers commercial and subtly sabotaged Iron Man 2 as a result.
I know this iis like 4 years ago idk but i see the problem with only hammer tech as the main villain.
It comes close to being similar to jebidiah as a villain where they want the suit for their own gain
Justin hammer was a fun villain
Fun fact, titanium man is suited by Justin Hammer in Ironman Armored adventures
Or have whiplash do his whole thing trying to avenge his had and that. Helps hammer after he's captured but before he's able to go back out for revenge hammer shoots him (maybe kingsman samjam style) showing how the rich take advantage and deapose of the poor
I can watch this and your “Ant Man and The Wasp and The Ant Man” pitch over and over again.
Nando: “Once you get rid of Whiplash the movie gets better. We get more Justin Hammer.”
Everyone: [justin hammer dancing]
To be fair most movies would be better with more Sam Rockwell
@@faron4685 Agreed. Hammer is my favorite character in the movie, even while cringing. Actually, especially while cringing.
If Sam Rockwell doesn't come back and lead the Thunderbolts in the next phase, I don't want to be alive anymore. He needs to be Titanium Man.
I just need my justin hammer pants
I liked the dynamic of both, weird to compare them. ones the resource but timid. the other is lacking but motivated.
As a stand-alone movie, this would be an improvement over the Iron Man 2 we got. But my concern here is that we're basically getting another disgruntled businessman in a bigger suit in a straight firefight finale. In short, a retread of Iron Man 1 (and Incredible Hulk and Ant-Man and Iron Man 3).
I really liked where you were going at the beginning of the video, about Tony being the weakness that's holding back Iron Man. Let Tony lose to the Hammer drones, let Rhodey be the one to bail him out somehow. hit the palladium poisoning metaphor even harder. Use that to plant the seeds for Tony's suit addiction in IM3 and eventually Ultron. In other words, let Justin Hammer be right.
Exactly, i really excited for the first 20 minutes of the video but that third act fight just seemed like the exact one from the original Iron Man 2 with just a couple of minor changes, plus i wouldn't take Justin Hammer to be a guy in the suit type of character.
Yeah, putting Justin Hammer into a suit just sounds really weird. Before Tony got into a real fight, he was just sitting on the sidelines profiting, not unlike Justin Hammer. Makes more sense to me for Justin Hammer to be controlling the drones from a computer screen and playing it like a piano, and just loving it. Hammer's also controlling War Machine through the computer. Then Hammer stumbles something or whatever, and one of the drone's own missile attacks damages/destroys the computer. Rhodes regains his suit, but the drones are now uncontrolled and executing the final order of just blasting everything around them. Rhodes and Tony defeat the last of the drones, capture Hammer.
Alternatively, we can turn Rhodey into the antagonist for the final battle. Instead of having him trap in the suit, Hammer convinces him to go against Tony
My question with the drones and Justin Hammer showing up in a suit, is why he had to steal the Mark 2 anyway, if he already this this kind of tech? I guess it was still just a "ruin Stark's image" play.
Yes, this is much better
"Mickey Rourke even brought the bird" is the best fun fact I now know
he vant his bord
Sw yx DIS EEZ NAWT MY BORD
best bird fact*
Mickey’s bord be like: *bord-bord I am his*
I have a fun addition to make to this. Instead of just having a guy doing an impression of Tony Stark, we have Tony make a line of Iron Man toys that talk with his voice. Hammer, can then use the toys to perfectly synthesize Tony voice because of movie magic. This way Hammer is able to use Tony's own decadence and narcissism to bring him down.
Yes please
We do have that technology btw, no need for movie magic
@@Multi-Waves_Music We do... to an extent. Voice-mimicking technology can't really mimic inflections. IRL you'd have a almost-Tony voice that spoke in a tone that was somewhere between flat and natural.
@@davidliu4134 true
Because Tony would be so vain as to absolutely use his own voice print. Too late for Iron Man 2, but I do know of a certain Latverian despot who would also be that vain ...... maybe a crate of Doom Bobbleheads could be sent to Ben by The Yancy Street Gang in Act One, and they re-appear in Act Three? C'mon, Fiege, let's get to work!!
Fun fact: Sam Rockwell dances in every movie he's in. It must be part of his contract or something!
“Alright Sam, we’ll pay you whatever you want, you’ll get any benefits you want. We just need you in our movie.”
“Do I get to dance?”
“No.”
“Then no deal.”
Kind of like the Owen Wilson and his laugh
does he dance in see how they run? I'm trying to remember
@@ghostmangm3059 wow
He doesnt dance in Vice.