I don’t know if all of us truly appreciate the time and effort that Josh puts into these videos i for 1 really appreciate your hard work and dedication. Your bosses should give you a big raise ! No other RV Man like Josh ! Thank You Sir !!!
I really like RockStaff's Murphy beds. I agree, they are the best. I love the way the mattress is out of sight when it's in sofa mode. And I love the popup footrests, too. I don't need/want to recline, but I really like to put my feet up. And I totally agree with you on the dinnette cabinets, they should have stay up struts.
Lose the dinette and slide!As a single camper I have no desire for either. Love the bathroom! No problem making a run for the border in there! Needs struts on the overhead doors for sure! That pantry!!❤❤ Not for me but very nice! Thanks nerd!
Hey, we didn't get our second RV first. The 2507s was the one we had before we got the 2606ws. The things we liked about the 2507s was.... The camp kitchen, and the huge pantry. The things we didn't like...... The Murphy bed.. Have a Jesus filled day everyone Greg in Michigan
We moved into our 1997 skyline aljo with the intention of building a house on the land. We're reconsidering that and thinking about just getting a new travel trailer so we can just take off for trips when we want. Looking at these new ones compared to our old one shows how much they've changed. Everything I hate about being in this one full time is fixed in new ones. Storage sucks now but looks good in most new ones and with slide-outs more living space. And one thing I hate with a passion on my aljo is how low it sits, so low we hit the black water drain pipes a lot just pulling into lots and we have to tent camo at one of our favorite places because the trailer won't clear the hill where the trailers go. New ones all sit higher, they have four or more steps up to get in while I have one and a half. That's a huge improvement. Now to figure out which one we want, too many choices lol
Love the updates! Definitely in the right direction! I am pretty impressed with what they did with this model. I would totally thrown in the second theater sofa or Dinofa. Very nice!
1. Yes, want the theater seat with the flip up center console AND would love to have the cup holders with the individual mini-tables as has Jayco! Plus would you have more room to get by in travel mode with theater seats? Does the storage go away if theater seats? 2. How about a sort of off road option by adding shocks! 3. How thick of a mattress can the Murphy bed accommodate? 4. Why isn't the bathroom door gap on the bottom? That way it'll pull in cooler and somewhat "used" air off the floor versus sucking out the air-conditioned air nearby the gap? 5. Single bowl sink please. 6. What's the lead time these days for a factory order? 7. Lastly, add back the cabinet struts and ditch the outside speakers!
I think you may actually gain some sneak-thru space with a sofa instead of dinette and yeah - you'd lose storage under benches that no longer exist. I don't know the max murphy bed thickness sorry.
I have the 2019 Rockwood Mini Lite 2509 Bunk House, very similar to this model except with bunks of course. These models reallly hit all the bells and whistles on everyone's wish list. Fantastic 1/2 ton towing capability,, huge propane capacity, huge fresh water capacity, dual battery set up, a/c and heat are fantastic, outdoor kitchens are amazing. Great entertainment package for the kids or adults to watch movies, tons of interior space. We watched hundreds of travel trailer videos that got us to this one. It is absolutely worth it.
This is great! Residential queen☑️larger oven☑️theater seat option☑️, great pantry/closet space☑️power tower☑️12V fridge☑️ really nice bathroom w/great storage☑️great camp kitchen. Overall, an awesome trailer. I totally agree with your assessment on the struts missing on the overhead cabinets.
Nice design, but I'm one of those who would rather not have a slide out. Make the dinette a little smaller, or a couch with a table and you no longer need that extra weight & maintenance of a slide.
Wow! This is a great trailer! ❤ Love that camp kitchen with a true sink!!! Frig , grill and griddle! It's nice to cook outside as much as possible in a small trailer; THIS kitchen really Shines! ❤ true Queen bed over a great sofa with drink holders and leg rests. ❤ love the 15000 standard ac. ❤ the larger oven and big pantry. Hiccups for me: no trash can space provided in the kitchen, No splash guard by range, No struts on overhead storage doors. Privacy/security shade in door is great, but it's backwards...should pull up, not pull down. Why would the manufacturer not make the tv mount articulate enough for in bed viewing? That's just odd. Always like "roadmode" shown, thanks. ❤️ theater seats, but need an area to work more than 2 seating areas. Exceptional trailer. Would also like to see their new bunk version. Thanks again. Enjoy your videos
Yes! Yes! Yes! Anything but an uncomfortable dinette👍I’ll swap it out all day long for the optional comfortable theater seating and then you would have the perfect couple's camper😄
We have that model and in our opinion. We like having the dynamite as a place to gather and play games and cards on a rainy day We figure you already have a sofa
@@garypalm831 That’s why we always need multiple options, dinettes for young families to play games and theater seating for older couples who for decades have been begging for a more comfortable place to sit👍
Love "The Kids in The Hall reference"; I am thinking you and I are the only ones who knows this, because I make references and no one gets it! Great!!! RV! YOWZA!!!
I have the baby yoga version of this in the 21DS. It kills me that I can’t tow or fit this beauty. In my opinion, this is the best 26’ couples that exists. Slam latches and struts on dinette cabs
If you can wait for one (like order it), get the big V8 and max tow package, otherwise the smaller V8 and regular tow will also work (which is what I have), but if I was ordering I would go big. Since Yukon has more body, it’s tongue weight capacity is less than a truck, but works for 16-23’ usually as long as you don’t have front kitchen. Check all specs as usual before you buy anything
That may be my most favorite dining table setup. It looks like it might be sturdier than the others. (tell Bish's to use that setup in their new Wayfinder setups) I love this layout, i am going to check out the bunkhouse setup now.
Nice! I'm loving it. Putting it on the list! The TV mount will get changed, maybe adding a larger TV as well. Optioning for Theater seat or hide a bed will happen. 12v Fridge is better than an absorption fridge. Ah, yes. Crush, crush crush crush.
We have a twenty twenty two model We have the solar package and the gas electric refrigerator More efficient for boondocking And with the hardwood panels on the doors looks a lot better in the camper in my opinion
We have a 2020 2507S and though it's not a big deal, I really like the direction the bathroom door is hinged on the new one. The only one I've maybe seen that I like better is the 2513S. You don't have to fold down the bed in that one but the Murphy bed really opens up the floor space.
Love the Kids in the Hall. Classic. I agree that the overhead cabinets should have struts. It is such an inconvenience to hold the door up while putting something in or taking out. My RPOD was like that. Hated it. I know you don't like open storage in a bathroom, but it is not a problem for me. I always have miscellaneous items I can place there so they are out of the way. The cabinet in this case is wider, so I can see why doors are more practical. Love all the storage. Can never have too much storage in a travel trailer.
I'd prefer a din-ofa instead of the dinette which would really help with roadmode.. Maybe go without that extra closet/pantry so the Murphy bed can be used on an overnight quick stop. Great bathroom. Like the kitchen set up too.
Dude... THIS is the rig. RockStaff, please keep building this rig for many years. Love everything about this, especially the true queen Murphy and the outdoor kitchen. The outdoor kitchen is the best selling point for me. Couple suggested changes but these are all minor. Lose the TV, add an overhead cabinet. Most of us are bringing our own screens. I've literally never turned on the TV in my camper. If you're sitting in a theater seat, watching TV in your camper, why did you go camping? Just stay home. Also just remove the overhead cabinets in the slide. There's more storage than anyone could need in my view without them. Regarding the slide, I'll take the u dinette all day. Need it for eating inside if it's not nice out and also for working in the camper. Great place to put a laptop. Finally, please, please, please get away from these crappy old storage compartment locks. Rockwood is better than that. Use slam latch. But good gravy I love this rig. Would buy it immediately if I didn't have kids😂
I definitely despise the "gravity assisted" closures on horizontal cabinet doors. My current camper has them and I think I have a permanent dent in my head from them (I'm just the right height to get hit, but not quite tall enough to use my head to hold them open). But overall, I absolutely love the Rock-staff version of this trailer. Awesome review!
Hello Mr. Josh. Yes. I would rather have a recliner sofa vs the dinette. Dinettes are not that comfortable. A nice recliner love seat dealio w/ lagoon (Lagun - sp?)tables. That’s my vote. 😊 Thanks again. Yes love seeing w/ slides closed. That is the bomb diggity.
Finally, my favorite Minilite. Agree with your comments on the storage above the dinette. Definetly not the clips or magnets to hold the doors. Either the gas struts or the doors reversed so they open down. A few questions: 1. Does the griddle size is 17" or 22"? 2. Given Rockwood eliminated the "sport package" option, is that something that can be done at the dealer? 3. If the answer is yes, at the time of this video, can you provide the cost order of magnitude? Say $2000 +/- $500.00 In terms of travel mode, does the sofa needs to be positioned like in the video or can it be left in normal seating position? 4. Definitely prefer the two 30# tanks. Probably 3-20lbs like Lance RVs does it would be better to easy exchange instead needing to find a place to fill them up. I assume that unless you camp in the winter, those 30 pounders may last many months. 5. Other than the additional solar panel, which are the solar package options? Best camp kitchen on the planet. Ember, can you top?
Griddle is the smaller size Things like a tire swap to the sport package style could be done yes I don't have an idea of the cost vectors. That's just not my area. Apologies. I think you can get this with their "Power Package" which I have a video on if you're curious
Hi Josh, do you have a video on your travel trlrs for solo/cpls that like to cook? more kitch counter space? subscribed, your videos are fantastic! thanks.
My Rockstaff preference is the equally rare Micro Lite 25BSDS/Mini Lite 2513S but for this floorplan I'd agree that the lack of cabinet door struts is an issue as is the "grandma's bathroom" light fixture in the slide out!
23:54 this is a very nice camper! I like the cabinets and the color scheme. I believe you omitted the rooftop video. Great video as always! #herdofnerds
Good afternoon Josh, Love your video as always especially on this "Rock-Staff"! I have a 22 Rockwood 2507 model champagne color loaded. Love the Fit & Finish, full outdoor kitchen, suspension, front windshield, large bath etc. My wife love's it too and don't want me to trade for it's big brother "2608". I would love the dinette, theater seats and the huge kitchen but would hate to give up the full outdoor kitchen. Last I called Forest River and asked about if they had any plans on adding a full outdoor kitchen to the "2606" lol...... thanks again for all you do.
I love the Murphy bed, especially down with all the windows. I would consider leaving the bed down wherever I park. I like the kitchen, even what I often consider the dead space behind the sink. Perfect spot for the coffee pot, easy access when you are enjoying it outside. I prefer a convection oven to a full sized oven, which I'm unlikely to use. I have never liked overhead microwaves. The thought of removing hot food over my head makes me nervous. My ideal kitchen has a convection oven in place of the regular oven. I didn't know slide awnings are a problem in some areas? I'd love to know why some manufacturers think it's ever ok to skip a way to keep the overhead storage doors open. If it's so simple for me to put a strut on, why can't they? Details, details.
This is the unit we daydream about (have to sell our 2109 first!). I know you can't sleep on the Murphy bed in road mode, but can you sleep on the dinette area slide out? You've said some slide outs shouldn't be used while they're in.
I'm thinking the pass through openings will probably make it colder in the winter and hotter in the summer. Plut who the heck can reach the center of that area.
Love the question! Please don't feel like "hey this is probably stupid but.." We were all new once. So ask away! To your point: These frameless windows crank and tilt open for airflow. That's nice because it means they're angled on rainy days. The down side is they barely open at all and don't provide excellent airflow
Honestly, I know a lot of times the company will cut back on things like struts more because it saves money in time spent building it, than it does on the cost of the struts. I would be happy if they offered to provide them (vis dealership or mail) for home installation even with the assumption the struts aren't covered by the warranty in case we don't install them properly. We would take them up on it, but they would save most of what they already save since most people wouldn't bother. I'd say that's fair.
I absolutely love this murphy bed! I hate it when you can see the mattress, they all should be made this way. I wish they had cloth/tweed/soft couch material options, something more plushy haha. Question, if one wanted this without the slide, just nothing there, just the wall, would they do that or is that not something that can be done because of the way they’re being assembled? I think this floor plan without the slide and just a big window would be awesome, one could even have a stand alone small table and two chairs to eat or work at if desired or even a fold up from the wall table with two folded chair’s option? Idk just thinking outside the box.
Hi Josh. I’m really curious. We have the 2509S. The front part of this model looks identical to ours. Why doesn’t the 2509 have the full queen as well? TIA
I'm afraid we're not provided measurements from the factory to that level of specificity and I do not have one here to check Our local teams at www.bishs.com/contact-us from our rockwood/flagstaff stores could check for you
We have the 2022 version of this camper and we absolutely Love it! I was surprised in my opinion Rockwood downgraded the 2023. No separate stereo system with ceiling speakers And DVD function. The cabinets above the Cable. Not only look cheaper And open upwards instead of like a regular Cabinet. There's nothing to hold them up while you're looking for stuff. This is just a personal opididn't you? I don't care for the graphics on the 23. We are so glad we purchased the 2022 before these changes.
Why do they put that tower of power right in the spot you could put an appliance on. Move it a 6” to the left. Will tv pivot for watching in bed? Not sure if I saw the door window has a shade? All in all, it’s just about perfect. Nice bathroom, good storage and laid out very nice in and out.
Being that this unit comes with both the 2 burner outside stove, and the griddle.................does this mean you get both the "Propane Cooker Hooker" and the "Propanus"? Just trying to clarify here.........
Thanks for this review Josh, but unfortunatly the floorplan is discontinued in 2024. I had confirmation from Forest River rep. Do you have other models equivalent to this one?
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks for the response. The problem is the height of the microwave. You need to be at least 5' 8" to safely use it. My wife, 5-2, can't reach the controls. When mounted in a slide, the height is OK.
Yes, we are thinking about trading in our GD for Rockwood, but the 2513s. We have a Murphy Bed now, I don't want a MB in the next one. What regions are good for the slide toppers??
I don't know about regions but we go for toppers because we camp where there are a lot of trees and the last thing I want to do when heading out is get on the roof to sweep off the slide. Also living in the Southeast we can get some heavy rains. The toppers help direct the rain off the end and sides putting less pressure on the slide roof seals to keep the water out.
@Old Engineer my husband, has to get on the roof every time to blow the slide off. We live in the SE, too, and usually camp at COE or state parks so very wooded
I love almost everything about this. The weight is a bit much for my husband's truck and instead of the dinette I would rather a sofa or theater seats, which ever is lighter.
Love this one. Most Murphy bed units look cheap in couch mode with the bedding hanging out and cheap paneling. One criticism is please stop putting windshields in Murphy bed units. Does no good during the day and lets in extra light at night when I don’t want it.
This one may be slightly different but I had this style of bed on my GeoPro and the bed goblin would grab your pillows all through the night as there is a decent void that opens up when the bed was down and it was SUPER annoying.
I like everything about this but I still prefer the Murphy bed that Ember 24MBH came out with. I love their concept of a sofa 🛋️ in the closed off adult bedroom. So the kids can raise hell while I can be on a conference call working with my laptop.
why in the world don't they install a slightly more expensive (but much more functional) better articulating arm for the TV to properly swivel around 90 degrees to properly face the sofa?
Interesting. Too bad the kitchen storage and counter space sucks. The outside kitchen\entertainment area, bathroom and real queen bed are awesome. Tankless water heater? If you are short enough or have enough padding, you could lay across the sofa for a nap. If you get the theater seat or HAB instead of the dinette, you have 18 inches of space left over. Do you get sidestands, or just empty space? Cabinets that open upward should have either struts or a catch of some kind, or move the hinges to the side so it's not an issue.
👍 I can't see you. We would probably go with a sofa instead of the dinette. Do the non-dinette options include a folding table? That would be one decision factor. We would go for slide toppers as we camp in areas with a lot of trees. Pine in particular. What you called the saddlebag storage looks like it might be a good place for lithium batteries. It would not be hard to fit some shelves on one side and an interior vent to allow the area to get some heat for cold weather use. The external storage is lacking to be able to store a Weber Q grill. Since there is not enough room up front we would get rid of the outside refrigerator but the area isn't long enough with the sink and cabinet. A quick question. When I look at the Bish's website the listings will give the location. Occasionally I will see one that says "pickup". What does this mean?
Josh, .now I know the floor is not laminated like the walls, but plywood IS a laminated product, so technically it is a six sided laminated trailer...the more you know...
You asked so here goes. It’s the little things that can make or break an RV. In my opinion this went from a A- to a C in a flash. When struts are missing that’s cutting corners to me so what other corners are the cutting in the construction that you can’t see. I know your service department can install them in a few minutes and that could be part of making a deal. Great 👍 video thanks
❤My Favorite.
RockStaff is a blast!!
I don’t know if all of us truly appreciate the time and effort that Josh puts into these videos i for 1 really appreciate your hard work and dedication. Your bosses should give you a big raise ! No other RV Man like Josh ! Thank You Sir !!!
I appreciate that! Ty
I really like RockStaff's Murphy beds. I agree, they are the best. I love the way the mattress is out of sight when it's in sofa mode. And I love the popup footrests, too. I don't need/want to recline, but I really like to put my feet up. And I totally agree with you on the dinnette cabinets, they should have stay up struts.
Lose the dinette and slide!As a single camper I have no desire for either. Love the bathroom! No problem making a run for the border in there! Needs struts on the overhead doors for sure! That pantry!!❤❤ Not for me but very nice! Thanks nerd!
My pleasure, Diane
Hey, we didn't get our second RV first.
The 2507s was the one we had before we got the 2606ws.
The things we liked about the 2507s was....
The camp kitchen, and the huge pantry.
The things we didn't like......
The Murphy bed..
Have a Jesus filled day everyone
Greg in Michigan
We have this floor plan and absolutely love it! We keep the bed down unless we have bad weather and get stuck inside.
Probably what I would do as well
I think this is my new favorite couples camper.
Wow!
We moved into our 1997 skyline aljo with the intention of building a house on the land. We're reconsidering that and thinking about just getting a new travel trailer so we can just take off for trips when we want.
Looking at these new ones compared to our old one shows how much they've changed. Everything I hate about being in this one full time is fixed in new ones. Storage sucks now but looks good in most new ones and with slide-outs more living space.
And one thing I hate with a passion on my aljo is how low it sits, so low we hit the black water drain pipes a lot just pulling into lots and we have to tent camo at one of our favorite places because the trailer won't clear the hill where the trailers go. New ones all sit higher, they have four or more steps up to get in while I have one and a half. That's a huge improvement.
Now to figure out which one we want, too many choices lol
Love the updates! Definitely in the right direction! I am pretty impressed with what they did with this model. I would totally thrown in the second theater sofa or Dinofa. Very nice!
A strong strong second place to the 2509s. Love these Murphys.
Man.. being in any company with a 2509S is good company!
"I'm crushing you're head"🤣lmao
I now get why I enjoy your presentations!!👍
30 Helens Agree... you have great taste
1. Yes, want the theater seat with the flip up center console AND would love to have the cup holders with the individual mini-tables as has Jayco! Plus would you have more room to get by in travel mode with theater seats? Does the storage go away if theater seats? 2. How about a sort of off road option by adding shocks! 3. How thick of a mattress can the Murphy bed accommodate? 4. Why isn't the bathroom door gap on the bottom? That way it'll pull in cooler and somewhat "used" air off the floor versus sucking out the air-conditioned air nearby the gap? 5. Single bowl sink please. 6. What's the lead time these days for a factory order? 7. Lastly, add back the cabinet struts and ditch the outside speakers!
I think you may actually gain some sneak-thru space with a sofa instead of dinette and yeah - you'd lose storage under benches that no longer exist.
I don't know the max murphy bed thickness sorry.
30 Helens agree: Josh the RV Nerd loved Comedy Central in the 90s.
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thanks from Canada for more great content! your balanced reviews are super helpful! i'm loving the kids in the hall reference too! 🤣🤣
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I really like this floor plan. I would swap the dinette with a theatre seat. Good storage for a shorter trailer. I like the short overall length.
Exactly what I was going to say!😊👍
Thanks for the refresh, Nerd! 🤓I love this model. It's been on my shortlist since I found your previous review a while back.
Every day I get to record a Rockwood is a good day
I have the 2019 Rockwood Mini Lite 2509 Bunk House, very similar to this model except with bunks of course. These models reallly hit all the bells and whistles on everyone's wish list. Fantastic 1/2 ton towing capability,, huge propane capacity, huge fresh water capacity, dual battery set up, a/c and heat are fantastic, outdoor kitchens are amazing. Great entertainment package for the kids or adults to watch movies, tons of interior space. We watched hundreds of travel trailer videos that got us to this one. It is absolutely worth it.
TY Christopher
Awesome travel trailer! I think your idea for magnets to hold those little storage doors is great!!
I think command strips would work fine
Would be even better if they returned to the way the cabinets were before
Regular sideways opening cabinet doors like we have in the 2022 model.
i like this one a lot.
This is great! Residential queen☑️larger oven☑️theater seat option☑️, great pantry/closet space☑️power tower☑️12V fridge☑️ really nice bathroom w/great storage☑️great camp kitchen. Overall, an awesome trailer. I totally agree with your assessment on the struts missing on the overhead cabinets.
Can't tell you how much I appreciate your positivity right now. Having a rough night and this is very, very welcome
This is the best layout for a couple without kids. I wish more manufacturers offered a similar option with the U-Dine and the pseudo theater seats.
Stay tuned - I have freedom express's version coming! It looks pretty solid and only 25ft!
Nice design, but I'm one of those who would rather not have a slide out. Make the dinette a little smaller, or a couch with a table and you no longer need that extra weight & maintenance of a slide.
Nicest Murphy bed couples camper I've seen. I would get it with theater seat and keep bed down while at the camp site.
Hard to beat a Rockstaff
Wow! This is a great trailer!
❤ Love that camp kitchen with a true sink!!! Frig , grill and griddle! It's nice to cook outside as much as possible in a small trailer; THIS kitchen really Shines!
❤ true Queen bed over a great sofa with drink holders and leg rests.
❤ love the 15000 standard ac.
❤ the larger oven and big pantry.
Hiccups for me:
no trash can space provided in the kitchen,
No splash guard by range,
No struts on overhead storage doors.
Privacy/security shade in door is great, but it's backwards...should pull up, not pull down.
Why would the manufacturer not make the tv mount articulate enough for in bed viewing? That's just odd.
Always like "roadmode" shown, thanks.
❤️ theater seats, but need an area to work more than 2 seating areas.
Exceptional trailer. Would also like to see their new bunk version. Thanks again. Enjoy your videos
Love this format! So much easier to read as a channel moderator
@JoshtheRVNerd Going to your site to view available models, still shows the 13500btu ac installed.
Really like this model.
TY for Visiting! :)
NERD HERD checking in from down south.
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TY Jamie :)
"Dollar store fart fan" is the best term for the cheapo fans. 🤣
Agree. It is also Nerdism #37.
It's a combination of Nerdism #37, the fart fan, and a regular viewer (Steve Z) calling it a dollar store fan. Together it's magic
Yes! Yes! Yes! Anything but an uncomfortable dinette👍I’ll swap it out all day long for the optional comfortable theater seating and then you would have the perfect couple's camper😄
We have that model and in our opinion. We like having the dynamite as a place to gather and play games and cards on a rainy day
We figure you already have a sofa
@@garypalm831 That’s why we always need multiple options, dinettes for young families to play games and theater seating for older couples who for decades have been begging for a more comfortable place to sit👍
I like this mostly. Lacking some counter space for the cook but I guess with the table nearby we could manage LOL!
Can't find either of those on your website, what am I doing wrong?
Probably. Nothing. We may simply be sold out. These are incredibly popular. Took me almost a year to find one just to record it
Love "The Kids in The Hall reference"; I am thinking you and I are the only ones who knows this, because I make references and no one gets it!
Great!!! RV! YOWZA!!!
30 Helena agree…
Nice trailer
I have the baby yoga version of this in the 21DS. It kills me that I can’t tow or fit this beauty. In my opinion, this is the best 26’ couples that exists.
Slam latches and struts on dinette cabs
Just curious, what are you towing with?
@@betterwithrum I had a GMC 1500 4 Cylinder Turbo which was amazing, but then we consolidated our Honda Pilot and Truck into a GMC Yukon!
@@TheDiskinsDoEverything Oh wow, nice ok! I'm searching for a tow vehicle I'll check out the GMC Yukon
If you can wait for one (like order it), get the big V8 and max tow package, otherwise the smaller V8 and regular tow will also work (which is what I have), but if I was ordering I would go big. Since Yukon has more body, it’s tongue weight capacity is less than a truck, but works for 16-23’ usually as long as you don’t have front kitchen. Check all specs as usual before you buy anything
@@TheDiskinsDoEverything awesome advice thank you!
That may be my most favorite dining table setup. It looks like it might be sturdier than the others. (tell Bish's to use that setup in their new Wayfinder setups) I love this layout, i am going to check out the bunkhouse setup now.
Ty!!
Nice! I'm loving it. Putting it on the list! The TV mount will get changed, maybe adding a larger TV as well. Optioning for Theater seat or hide a bed will happen. 12v Fridge is better than an absorption fridge. Ah, yes. Crush, crush crush crush.
We have a twenty twenty two model
We have the solar package and the gas electric refrigerator
More efficient for boondocking
And with the hardwood panels on the doors looks a lot better in the camper in my opinion
We have a 2020 2507S and though it's not a big deal, I really like the direction the bathroom door is hinged on the new one.
The only one I've maybe seen that I like better is the 2513S. You don't have to fold down the bed in that one but the Murphy bed really opens up the floor space.
That 2513 is slick
Love the Kids in the Hall. Classic. I agree that the overhead cabinets should have struts. It is such an inconvenience to hold the door up while putting something in or taking out. My RPOD was like that. Hated it. I know you don't like open storage in a bathroom, but it is not a problem for me. I always have miscellaneous items I can place there so they are out of the way. The cabinet in this case is wider, so I can see why doors are more practical. Love all the storage. Can never have too much storage in a travel trailer.
30 Helens Agree...
I'd prefer a din-ofa instead of the dinette which would really help with roadmode.. Maybe go without that extra closet/pantry so the Murphy bed can be used on an overnight quick stop. Great bathroom. Like the kitchen set up too.
I'd be really interested to see some dual sofa things
Dude... THIS is the rig. RockStaff, please keep building this rig for many years. Love everything about this, especially the true queen Murphy and the outdoor kitchen. The outdoor kitchen is the best selling point for me. Couple suggested changes but these are all minor. Lose the TV, add an overhead cabinet. Most of us are bringing our own screens. I've literally never turned on the TV in my camper. If you're sitting in a theater seat, watching TV in your camper, why did you go camping? Just stay home. Also just remove the overhead cabinets in the slide. There's more storage than anyone could need in my view without them. Regarding the slide, I'll take the u dinette all day. Need it for eating inside if it's not nice out and also for working in the camper. Great place to put a laptop. Finally, please, please, please get away from these crappy old storage compartment locks. Rockwood is better than that. Use slam latch. But good gravy I love this rig. Would buy it immediately if I didn't have kids😂
As far as I know it's staying among their lineup
I definitely despise the "gravity assisted" closures on horizontal cabinet doors. My current camper has them and I think I have a permanent dent in my head from them (I'm just the right height to get hit, but not quite tall enough to use my head to hold them open). But overall, I absolutely love the Rock-staff version of this trailer. Awesome review!
Love this guy! Wish i could remember his jokes. I’d buy anything from him and just give him my money
I mean… deal? 😆
Hello Mr. Josh. Yes. I would rather have a recliner sofa vs the dinette. Dinettes are not that comfortable. A nice recliner love seat dealio w/
lagoon (Lagun - sp?)tables. That’s my vote. 😊 Thanks again. Yes love seeing w/ slides closed. That is the bomb diggity.
Dual sofa sounds super interesting
I am only 1:29 into the video and wow... Love the bathroom
:)
The struts get in the way of the storage doors. Command strips will work just fine.
I could also see something like a clip on the ceiling or even magnet ceiling catch
Finally, my favorite Minilite.
Agree with your comments on the storage above the dinette. Definetly not the clips or magnets to hold the doors. Either the gas struts or the doors reversed so they open down.
A few questions:
1. Does the griddle size is 17" or 22"?
2. Given Rockwood eliminated the "sport package" option, is that something that can be done at the dealer?
3. If the answer is yes, at the time of this video, can you provide the cost order of magnitude? Say $2000 +/- $500.00
In terms of travel mode, does the sofa needs to be positioned like in the video or can it be left in normal seating position?
4. Definitely prefer the two 30# tanks. Probably 3-20lbs like Lance RVs does it would be better to easy exchange instead needing to find a place to fill them up. I assume that unless you camp in the winter, those 30 pounders may last many months.
5. Other than the additional solar panel, which are the solar package options?
Best camp kitchen on the planet. Ember, can you top?
Griddle is the smaller size
Things like a tire swap to the sport package style could be done yes
I don't have an idea of the cost vectors. That's just not my area. Apologies.
I think you can get this with their "Power Package" which I have a video on if you're curious
Hi Josh, do you have a video on your travel trlrs for solo/cpls that like to cook? more kitch counter space? subscribed, your videos are fantastic! thanks.
Grand Design AIM 16ML is a great option
@@sssophiesmom looked at the 16ML and its perfect! thanks.
My Rockstaff preference is the equally rare Micro Lite 25BSDS/Mini Lite 2513S but for this floorplan I'd agree that the lack of cabinet door struts is an issue as is the "grandma's bathroom" light fixture in the slide out!
I've only been able to see that 2513S like .. twice. They're ALWAYS sold out
I would almost rather sacrifice that slideout storage on the murphy side, to have full travel access.
23:54 this is a very nice camper! I like the cabinets and the color scheme. I believe you omitted the rooftop video. Great video as always! #herdofnerds
..did I?
#derp
Love this one. But it's a little heavy. We will find we like and fits our need
Well I have thousands of videos here for you to scan thru. Enjoy!!
Good afternoon Josh,
Love your video as always especially on this "Rock-Staff"!
I have a 22 Rockwood 2507 model champagne color loaded. Love the Fit & Finish, full outdoor kitchen, suspension, front windshield, large bath etc. My wife love's it too and don't want me to trade for it's big brother "2608". I would love the dinette, theater seats and the huge kitchen but would hate to give up the full outdoor kitchen. Last I called Forest River and asked about if they had any plans on adding a full outdoor kitchen to the "2606" lol...... thanks again for all you do.
Big camp kitchens like yours have become incredibly hard to find. It's kind of annoying
I love the Murphy bed, especially down with all the windows. I would consider leaving the bed down wherever I park. I like the kitchen, even what I often consider the dead space behind the sink. Perfect spot for the coffee pot, easy access when you are enjoying it outside. I prefer a convection oven to a full sized oven, which I'm unlikely to use. I have never liked overhead microwaves. The thought of removing hot food over my head makes me nervous. My ideal kitchen has a convection oven in place of the regular oven.
I didn't know slide awnings are a problem in some areas?
I'd love to know why some manufacturers think it's ever ok to skip a way to keep the overhead storage doors open. If it's so simple for me to put a strut on, why can't they? Details, details.
I'd mostly leave the bed down too
They are Nice RV's
Glad you like them
I wonder if a replacement mattress would work? Would weight be a factor? Thickness? Nice little unit.
I know some folks that have done it but I don’t know specifics of what they got
This is the unit we daydream about (have to sell our 2109 first!). I know you can't sleep on the Murphy bed in road mode, but can you sleep on the dinette area slide out? You've said some slide outs shouldn't be used while they're in.
No towable slides are tested to be used when closed
Come on Rockstaff don't cheap out, put the struts back on.
This is a gorgeous rv.. missing some storage by the door but I guess the fire extinguisher doubles as coat hooks 😉.. are these selling in Canada ?
Lol @ the coat hanger
I know a of our own network but don’t know what other dealers have
I'm thinking the pass through openings will probably make it colder in the winter and hotter in the summer. Plut who the heck can reach the center of that area.
Don’t get too many Kids in the Hall references these days! The Daves I Know! Thanks nerd!
Did you see the new season on Amazon Prime? I was amazing
Only part I didn't like was the ending
Ok so I m an RV non owner, doing lots of research. That being said, how do you open the windows to get air flow? Crank, slide or not at all?
Love the question! Please don't feel like "hey this is probably stupid but.."
We were all new once. So ask away!
To your point: These frameless windows crank and tilt open for airflow. That's nice because it means they're angled on rainy days. The down side is they barely open at all and don't provide excellent airflow
Honestly, I know a lot of times the company will cut back on things like struts more because it saves money in time spent building it, than it does on the cost of the struts. I would be happy if they offered to provide them (vis dealership or mail) for home installation even with the assumption the struts aren't covered by the warranty in case we don't install them properly. We would take them up on it, but they would save most of what they already save since most people wouldn't bother. I'd say that's fair.
Ty for the perspective
Is the regular side opening cabinet doors on the 2022 models Was better and they actually created a issue
I m referring to the outside glass since it's Frameless
I absolutely love this murphy bed! I hate it when you can see the mattress, they all should be made this way. I wish they had cloth/tweed/soft couch material options, something more plushy haha.
Question, if one wanted this without the slide, just nothing there, just the wall, would they do that or is that not something that can be done because of the way they’re being assembled?
I think this floor plan without the slide and just a big window would be awesome, one could even have a stand alone small table and two chairs to eat or work at if desired or even a fold up from the wall table with two folded chair’s option?
Idk just thinking outside the box.
They will not custom build a no slide. As you mentioned it's due to the way the factory processes work
Is a theater seating available where there dinette is?
I think it can be ordered that way. I think I actually did one like that in the past when I was managing my home store's inventory
Hi Josh. I’m really curious. We have the 2509S. The front part of this model looks identical to ours. Why doesn’t the 2509 have the full queen as well? TIA
2509S doesn't have the mini drop frame chassis in the front
Long time fan. Thanks for the fun informative videos. I’d love to get ahold of a 2024 2517s. How should I go about getting a quote? Thanks 🙏
Our folks at www.bishs.com/contact-us can assist you with that! Not sure where you're from or I would drop contact info to a specific team member
How deep is the overhead storage in the slideout?
I'm afraid we're not provided measurements from the factory to that level of specificity and I do not have one here to check
Our local teams at www.bishs.com/contact-us from our rockwood/flagstaff stores could check for you
We have the 2022 version of this camper and we absolutely Love it!
I was surprised in my opinion Rockwood downgraded the 2023.
No separate stereo system with ceiling speakers And DVD function.
The cabinets above the Cable. Not only look cheaper And open upwards instead of like a regular Cabinet. There's nothing to hold them up while you're looking for stuff.
This is just a personal opididn't you? I don't care for the graphics on the 23.
We are so glad we purchased the 2022 before these changes.
yeah they made a few advances but I also feel they did slip in a few areas which is so very unlike them…
Why do they put that tower of power right in the spot you could put an appliance on. Move it a 6” to the left. Will tv pivot for watching in bed? Not sure if I saw the door window has a shade? All in all, it’s just about perfect. Nice bathroom, good storage and laid out very nice in and out.
Fair!
I would definitely change out the dinette for another sofa
TY Julie
Being that this unit comes with both the 2 burner outside stove, and the griddle.................does this mean you get both the "Propane Cooker Hooker" and the "Propanus"? Just trying to clarify here.........
I think you actually get double the cooker hookers on this one
But yeah, huge best opportunity lol
Rockwood could’ve been the first to do a double gas backside lol
Thanks for this review Josh, but unfortunatly the floorplan is discontinued in 2024. I had confirmation from Forest River rep. Do you have other models equivalent to this one?
Yeah I got you m.ua-cam.com/video/hcuZs8DWjhc/v-deo.html
Nice unit! Why is it that Rockwood and Flagstaff insist on mounting the microwave as high up as possible?
Where would you prefer to see it?
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks for the response. The problem is the height of the microwave. You need to be at least 5' 8" to safely use it. My wife, 5-2, can't reach the controls. When mounted in a slide, the height is OK.
Have you ever considered reviewing Outdoors RV 19 MKS?
Would love to. Just never had a chance to get my hands on one
Josh how is best way to reach you for a comparison question. Love the content
Our team at www.bishs.com/contact-us would be the ones to assist you any time!
Yes, we are thinking about trading in our GD for Rockwood, but the 2513s. We have a Murphy Bed now, I don't want a MB in the next one. What regions are good for the slide toppers??
I don't know about regions but we go for toppers because we camp where there are a lot of trees and the last thing I want to do when heading out is get on the roof to sweep off the slide. Also living in the Southeast we can get some heavy rains. The toppers help direct the rain off the end and sides putting less pressure on the slide roof seals to keep the water out.
@Old Engineer my husband, has to get on the roof every time to blow the slide off. We live in the SE, too, and usually camp at COE or state parks so very wooded
If you camp in areas with a lot of tree coverage they're great
Lot of sun and mostly mild winds? They're handy
HEAVY winds? You'll want to pass
I love almost everything about this. The weight is a bit much for my husband's truck and instead of the dinette I would rather a sofa or theater seats, which ever is lighter.
Hide a bed or theater are pretty similar in weight. Theater mag be just a few pounds more but not much
You know I’m a Grand Design fanboy but this has me questioning my true devotion 😂
There's nothing wrong with appreciating something like a Rockwood. Even other RV companies respect them.
Do you think the 2509S/25BRDS will get the 60x80 Murphy bed soon?
Considering the popularity of the 2509S now.. I doubt it
Does anyone have the exact model number of the 12 volt fridge that’s in this model and the 25brds? Thanks
Such a low hitch weight. Excellent camper for what you're towing down the road.
Basically a No Bo 20.3 without the bunks. Definitely like the No Bo better though.
These predate NoBo even existing but basically yes in terms of layouts
Love this one. Most Murphy bed units look cheap in couch mode with the bedding hanging out and cheap paneling. One criticism is please stop putting windshields in Murphy bed units. Does no good during the day and lets in extra light at night when I don’t want it.
I don’t disagree but amazingly people WANTED that windshield added
This one may be slightly different but I had this style of bed on my GeoPro and the bed goblin would grab your pillows all through the night as there is a decent void that opens up when the bed was down and it was SUPER annoying.
The Geo with a murphy bed is 54" wide by 74" long (full size)
This one is 60" wide x 80" long (a true queen)
Same type of mechanism, but bigger size
Can you review the sabre 36bhq thanks josh in advance
Footage is aged but I have one here m.ua-cam.com/video/OyYIg2-pGmw/v-deo.html
#NerdHerd 🎉
Excellent floor plan and Lots of storage inside and out. The cabinets without any support are very annoying too use.
I like everything about this but I still prefer the Murphy bed that Ember 24MBH came out with. I love their concept of a sofa 🛋️ in the closed off adult bedroom. So the kids can raise hell while I can be on a conference call working with my laptop.
lol
Thanks nerd
Looks like Rockstaff discontinued the 25BDS/2507S in 2024. Strange considering how popular the models were. Anyone know why they did away with them???
That’s the irony. people who had that one loved it but it actually was not popular by volume so it was retired
why in the world don't they install a slightly more expensive (but much more functional) better articulating arm for the TV to properly swivel around 90 degrees to properly face the sofa?
I ask that on so many rvs every day
Interesting. Too bad the kitchen storage and counter space sucks. The outside kitchen\entertainment area, bathroom and real queen bed are awesome. Tankless water heater? If you are short enough or have enough padding, you could lay across the sofa for a nap. If you get the theater seat or HAB instead of the dinette, you have 18 inches of space left over. Do you get sidestands, or just empty space? Cabinets that open upward should have either struts or a catch of some kind, or move the hinges to the side so it's not an issue.
I haven't seen one with sofas so I'm not sure what they do with the space
The kitchen storage is great!
Right across from the fridge is a huge pantry we can't even fill up
I would like the dinnett and ?dofa? Sofa😂 swapped. Otherwise this is perfect!
Tough to do on a murphy bed I'm afraid. Otherwise I'd agree completely
👍 I can't see you.
We would probably go with a sofa instead of the dinette. Do the non-dinette options include a folding table? That would be one decision factor.
We would go for slide toppers as we camp in areas with a lot of trees. Pine in particular.
What you called the saddlebag storage looks like it might be a good place for lithium batteries. It would not be hard to fit some shelves on one side and an interior vent to allow the area to get some heat for cold weather use.
The external storage is lacking to be able to store a Weber Q grill. Since there is not enough room up front we would get rid of the outside refrigerator but the area isn't long enough with the sink and cabinet.
A quick question. When I look at the Bish's website the listings will give the location. Occasionally I will see one that says "pickup". What does this mean?
usually non-dinette models include a table. I'd have to inquire on something like this
I'm not sure what Pickup means for location.. MIGHT mean it's in a shipping yard somewhere?
Really not sure..
@@JoshtheRVNerd I stumped the RV Nerd. 😁 Imagine that.
I get the Kids in the Hall reference but I have a question for ya. "Whats up your craw?"
hahaha
I'd prefer a bigger bathroom rather than an outdoor kitchen, or at least let it be an option upon ordering.
Kids in the Hall reference !!!
#nerdherd
All KiTH references are good.. except anything relating to Brain Candy lol
Josh, .now I know the floor is not laminated like the walls, but plywood IS a laminated product, so technically it is a six sided laminated trailer...the more you know...
Yeah no struts is a set back
You asked so here goes. It’s the little things that can make or break an RV. In my opinion this went from a A- to a C in a flash. When struts are missing that’s cutting corners to me so what other corners are the cutting in the construction that you can’t see. I know your service department can install them in a few minutes and that could be part of making a deal. Great 👍 video thanks
Yeah it felt like a really silly corner to cut
Don't worry, by the time I get out my crow bar and work on the TV it'll be facing the sofa just right
hahaha