Jesus Gave Us The 7 Day Week
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2023
- Christianity is substantiated because Jesus subjugated every country to a 7 day week???
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Always makes me chuckle when Christians bring up the calendar and days of the week. Wait until they learn about the pagan gods our days and months are named after.
That's what I keep trying to tell them, but for some reason they think the "year of our lord" or this "seven day week" argument should be compelling?
Jesus named all the days after pagan gods we no longer believe in, so that we would realise how ludicrous religion is. 😂
hahahahahaha!!
I still use the Roman calendar personally
bold of you to assume they can learn.
Shannon Q laughed so hard when this guy presented the same ridiculous argument 🤦♂️
I heard this but where can I watch this unfold?
Mr Le Roche has a serious mental condition that perhaps Shannon Q could discern. This guy is all over the place with screwy ideas.
Also the people who invented the seven day calendar existed well over 2000 years before Jesus
If you address the validity, he complains that you’re not addressing the soundness… but if you address the soundness, he complains that you’re not addressing the validity.
Typical apologetics. No understanding of what a cogent thought is, much less how to prove their argument.
"heads I'm right, tails you lose!!!!1!"
Oh, this guy again. He is very, very silly. I doubt he knows how lucky he is that anyone still takes his calls.
Is this the same guy that called Forrest and Dave on AXP and kept using the R slur a while ago? It really sounds like him
@@TimHass-qe9er Yes, that joker.
@@TimHass-qe9erLe Chef. I have a playlist of his idiocy
@@telsonater
Subbed.
He's not silly, he's stupid.
They think using the words of smarter people automatically makes them right and win the debate.
So the days of the week prove the Norse Gods?
With Le Roche's logic, I guess they do? The persistent promulgation of this archaic middle eastern belief system is really bizarre.
No the Babylonians had the 7 day week before anyone else. All hail Anu!
The knowing look on Christy's face when the seven day week is mentioned
Apparently he didn't expect them to have access to bible verses. The second they read the verse he ran away....hahahaha. legend has it he ran till the sabbath.
I cut wood every single Sunday for my fireplace. According to Jeebuzz, I'm going straight to hell since I am required to not pick up a twig. This guy is outside reality
You don't need to pick up twigs, I think logs canbe picked up?
4 billion years ago the day was roughly 18-20 hours long. I'd love to hear his explanation for that and how it'd fit into his narrow world view.
Simple....earth didnt exist then, its only 6000 years old remember?
@@ChrisFerguson-zm4gt oh lord, I knew some idiot YECs would come by and present their evidence and arguments they don't have. Must be sweet to live in such a simple a stupid world.
@@ChrisFerguson-zm4gt I'm really hoping you're joking and that you're not a YEC, because I can't stand such stupidity.
He'd just ignore you and assert his claims again.
Mr Le Roche, what a strange reason to become an atheist, that the Javanese calendar (pasaran) has a 5 day week.
Javana it's not a NATION see, that's how he wins
@@andreant862 pretty sure it is a nation, it's not a country.
Pretty sure he'll insist it't not a nation in the common definition (after laughing hysterically)
When you Google:
How many days from new moon to new moon
First thing that comes up is:
About 29.5 days
However, it takes our Moon about 29.5 days to complete one cycle of phases (from new Moon to new Moon). This is called the synodic month.
There are nations in Africa that don't use a 7 day week. I think Ghana is one of them. Oops. 😊
Plus, I just read Isaiah fully because my memory of it was a bit laxed. I saw nothing there about a 7day calendar. 😂 All I can say is WOW
In addition to the 7 day week working best mathematically with the phases of the moon, I would also assume that the reason everyone uses it now in today's global society is so that it's easier to do business with one another.
I mean most countries use the same time zones and monthly/yearly calendars, so because a Roman emperor decided to start at 0 because he deemed that to be Jesus' birth that also proves that Jesus was real?
If anything it just proves that it existed by the time the bible was written and that emperors were easily persuaded.
@@MGC-XIII Exactly. The popularity of a calendar model that was spread along with a major empire is not proof of anything but that empire's influence.
Myanmar/Burma has an 8-day week, they divide Wednesday into two 12-hour days.
Hobby Lobby is a Christian business. They ALL work on Sundays LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Never argue with a script - it never, ever works out.
I believe Sumerians or Babylonians first used the 7 day week, long before Christianity existed. That is the angle I would use.
He’s been told that. He doesn’t care.
The seven day week predates Christianity. There’s evidence of its use in ancient Mesopotamia. 🤷♂️
Welcome to atheism!
Yup
Hey Laroche? Ever heard of Sentinel Island? They don't even have contact with the civilized world, how the hell does Jesus factor in there?
Funny enough a Christian missionary went across to the island to convert them (despite ignoring the fact that it is illegal to go near their island), he was murdered.Then it was his fellow missionary & church superiors, that wanted to invade the island hunt, them down & bring them to trial. Real Christian of them isn't it. Were was Jesus to saved this alone arrogant missionary, who cannot seem to obey direct orders, which were designed to protect us & leave them alone which is what they want.
@@jameswade2613Why, 'cause god!! The manifest failures of faith in this odd little deity are the greatest evidence against it.
But is it a country or a nation according to 7day week wankr?
@@jameswade2613It actually IS “christian” of them.
China has a 10 day week. But uses 7 day week to be in tune with the rest of the world.
The globalisation already standardised the 7 day week in most parts of the world. Historically, the weeks are synchronised with local trade. People usually go to local market once every certain number of days, and this becomes the cycle of people’s life, which is effectively the week for these people. For example, Chinese divides each month into 3 segments called 旬Xun (upper, middle and lower Xuns), each lasting 10 days. One can see that the Chinese division is actually much more natural because it is coherent with the natural cycle. A traditional Chinese week can be 10 days or 5 days (if more frequent trades are needed). No Jesus is needed, especially in that part of the world. I think this guy needs to become an atheist. 😂
In Portuguese, weekdays literally translate as “cardinal number market”. So you get, in order “Segunda-feira”, “terça-feira”, “quarta-feira”, “quinta-feira”, “sexta-feira”. For some reason, the counting starts at “second”, there is no “first”.
This, um, "genius" again? 😂 He's a special lil guy, that's for sure! Swingin' on the low end of the Dunning-Kruger curve and loving it.
Poor Stanley, every time he calls in his mental faculties just get more rigid and inflexible. A miserable existence, to be sure.
I don't understand this nut case
When I believed in Jesus, if you told me a country don't have a 7-day week, I would have NEVER stop believing for THAT reason even if it was true.
Ancient Chinese used a 10 day week, Ancient Greek culture used an 8 day week. Koreans presently use a 5 day market calendar in addition to a 7 day calendar. Aztecs used a 13 day calendar 🗓. The 7 day week is a relatively new phenomenon and could very well change as it has within many cultures and archeological time frames previously. And that was just with a very simple Google search.
Tiw, Odin, Thor, and Frig have entered the chat.
This guy actually wanted to debate me on his channel pertaining to this subject. I told him it was a complete waste of my time because if the "year of our lord" argument or this "seven day week" argument was evidence for the existence of his god then the common use of names for our days of the week (all of which are uttered far more than the name of Jesus) are evidence for the existence of other gods, Sunday and Monday are the Sun and Moon gods respectively, Tue. is representative of the Scandinavian war god Tu, Wed., Odin's day, Thurs., Thor's day, Fri. is Frigg or Freyja's day (there is some contention about whether or not these two goddesses are one and the same), and Sat. is the god Saturn's day. I asked him if he remains consistent with his argumentation does he acknowledge the existence of these other gods and I haven't heard from him since.
Edit: Burma has an 8 day week.
Oh, that is RICH!😆
In 321 CE, Emperor Constantine officially decreed a seven-day week in the Roman Empire, including making Sunday a public holiday. The seven-day week originates from the calendar of the Babylonians, which in turn is based on a Sumerian calendar dated to 21st-century BCE. The days of the week are named (in English) after the sun, the moon and 5 different pagan gods - Tyw, Woden, Thor, Frey and Saturn.
Aaaand by rage quitting, Monsieur Le Roch loses by default.
I knew exactly who the caller was the moment i read the title.
And i was right tobalso guess he wouldnt update his argument at all.
He just vomits the same nonsense on all channels and it keeps getting demolished, yet he insist on repeating it. What is the definition of when you keep repeating the same thing expecting a different result?
Le Roche is a joker, he is trolling.
Tribes that haven't been contacted don't follow a 7 day calendar. Welcome our new atheist friend!
There is a place in nigeria where people still use 5 day week for local use .
This dude just doesn't quit, though he never has the same name twice. And he just can't let the 7 day week go. lol
The Chinese lunar calendar doesn't have weekdays, only 29 or sometimes 30 days per month, and 12 or sometimes 13 months in a year. Start dividing those by seven, Mister La Doche!
The week could have been, 14 or 28 days. It’s related to the phases of the moon.
From new moon to new moon is 28 days, which is a lunar month. The moon has four phases that each last 7 days, which makes a lunar week. This system of keeping track of days, weeks, and months is not only older than the Bible, it has been used all over the world since before the invention of writing.
I was just wondering where this guy had been.
He took a week off….
The Simpsons made far more, very specific predictions that came true. Maybe Matt Groening is Jesus?!
I'm not yelling, I'M NOT YELLING!
LOUD NOISES!
this is one of my favorite arguments 😂
So the seven day guy is back when as we all know there is nothing in the modem day calendar that is universal
For an argument to be sound the conclusion must follow from the premises. Even if one were to grant premise 1 that the bible explicitly stated that Jesus prophesied that every nation would adopt a seven day week, and premise 2 that every nation has done so, how would that imply the conclusion that Jesus exists and is divine, or that he caused every nation to adopt the same calendar? There are plenty of practical reasons for people to use the same calendar that have nothing to do with "divine sovereignty". It's an example of the Affirming the Consequent fallacy.
Its like the hosts never listened to any aca shows before. This guy called in so many times, not knowing him makes them look a bit silly. Easy instant hangup every time.
I'm sure they recognize him (especially by Christy's initial reaction to hearing "7 days") but it comes off better if they are at least willing to hear the caller out IF they expect to get more details or get a new argument rather than just refusing to take the call and have that person complain about a persecution complex. At least until a truly ban-worthy offense is committed. Besides, we all know that the videos with this character get views so that would be why they keep clipping him and putting it on UA-cam.
Igboland in Nigeria has a 4-day week
for people's information this is a guy called "Mr. Delicieux" he's repeated this "7 day cycle" argument for years. you can youtube "The seven day week proves god"
I have a playlist of his antics!
Ya the mention of 7 days is a given. First time I've heard the actual verse were his sillogism comes from, what a vague pile of sh**!
Question for Mr. Le Roche from cAnAdA > What did the Christian God do yesterday ???
this dude has called often with the same argument. He almost seems manic. He speaks very quickly and tends to laugh hysterically as the calls proceed. What I want to know is: how can one demonstrate an actual connection between the seven-day week and the existence of his god? Those ideas are completely unconnected. Isn't it more likely that the seven-day week, which existed before the bible was written and seems to be connected to the phases of the moon, was just naturally adopted by civilizations throughout time because of its utility?
0:42 I reject premise one because it makes assumptions that haven't been established.
Demonstrate that universal sovereignty is a property of reality.
A human influencing or predicting societal norms or standards isn't a demonstration of universal sovereignty. It's a demonstration that a human influenced or predicted societal norms or standards. You would be equivocating an ontological human ability with an abstract ability.
Not only does a seven day week substantially predate the advent of Judaism and Christianity, the commonality of the seven day week is readily explained by several easily demonstrable astronomical facts. The first is that the quarters of the moon are just fractionally longer than seven days in length (7.38 days on average) and the lunar calendar (A lunar month averages about 29.5 days) was independently developed and was commonly utilized by diverse societies across the ancient globe. In the times before written calendars and mechanical timepieces, marking time according to the phases of the moon was an obvious and easily accomplished solution, even for the most illiterate and technically unsophisticated peoples. The second reason was the perceived supernatural significance of the number seven by those ancients. This was largely due to the fact that there are seven heavenly bodies (aka, The Seven Wanderers :The Sun, the Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Mars, Mercury and Saturn ) which were visible in the sky and that could be seen to predictably traverse the apparently fixed and unmoving stellar background. In many cultures the days of the week were often named after these seven celestial wanderers. The fact that these easily observable astronomical phenomena became the basis of numerous global calendars is not only unremarkable, it is completely to be expected.
Lol and by the end, his syllogism defeated himself! 😂🤣🍿🤡
He doesn't really care about anything being said to him, he just wants the hosts to agree to his premise... What a joke.
Present situation. Today, the vast majority of countries use the Gregorian calendar as their sole civil calendar. The four countries which have not adopted the Gregorian calendar are Ethiopia (Ethiopian calendar), Nepal (Vikram Samvat and Nepal Sambat), Iran and Afghanistan (Solar Hijri calendar).
Lol from what I've seen the "best" apologetics uses the premise 1-2 punch, with the 1st premise being something true, but dubiously worded so that their 2nd premise can trojan horse their logical fallacy in and make it sound better.
This guy starts out with a logical fallacy! 😂 💀
God gave the Israelites the Sabbath which would occur on the 7th day, not every 7 days as people argue. God said you shall work for 6 days and rest on the 7th. Considering that some months have 29 days and other 30 days, the 1st day starts on New Moon Day, is a consecutive repeating 7 day week until the end of the monthly cycle when the moon goes dark and you wait to see the crescent in the sky which will mean that once again it is the 1st day. Neither God or Jesus gave us a consecutive all the time 7 day week. That practice was instituted by Constantine and the Roman Catholic church. Julius Ceaser had an 8 day weekly calendar which was in practice during Jesus' life. Jesus kept the Calendar that God instituted - what we call the Luni Solar Calendar which is as accurate as our modern day calculators. Paradigms that have been taught us all of our lives are hard to release. Finding truth is easy if we are willing to release those paradigms. The truth is right in front of us in the sky and and yet we don't see it, because we have been taught incorrectly. Isaiah 63 is accurate when it states "from New Moon to New Moon" using the Luni-solar calendar that God gave His people.
I really appreciate living in the least religious area in the world, the eastern part of Germany. Here Christians are sometimes annoying, but they are ridiculed outsiders. Mr. Deliciuos would get the psychological help he needs here.
This is Mr. Delicieux or however it's spelled calling under a different name.
Yep
I reject premise 2 - tag your it. SMH
The verse from Isaiah 66 he cites says “at each new moon and every sabbath”. This means not only that people will observe the 7-day week, and not only the same weekly sabbath as the Jews observed in the days of long Hezekiah in the 7th century BCE, but also that they will observe lunar months starting with each new moon. Currently only Orthodox Jews observe this calendar, and the state of Israel recognizes this Jewish calendar as the state calendar, but even most of the population of Israel doesn’t go by the Jewish calendar for planning secular events. The entire western world observed the Gregorian calendar, the concept for which was devised by Julius Caesar and modified by Gregory the Great centuries after Jesus died. So Jesus’ sovereignty is not at work in the calendrical observances of any nation of the world. At least not according to Isaiah.
NO NOT TRUE
We use a 7 day week because it is the best divisor with the length of the year
The Chinese used a 7 day week long before the Christians stole it
365.25 (approx length of year divided by 7 equals 52 weeks and 1.25 days.
Try any other integer between 5 and 10 and you get a larger remainder.
The Roman god Saturn gave us Saturday! He must be real too!
A Google search will tell you where the 7 day week came from, why does this weak argument come from
It’s all he has. Literally.
The desperation of an idiot struggling to sound reasonable.
"I'm not yelling. I'M NOT YELLING!"
Just like the Bowl of Petunias thought after coming into existance in the skyes of an alien planet and falling: "Oh no, not again!"
If new moon to new moon is currently about 29.5 days (it is), and 4 weeks = 28 Days, then did Jesus F. Up?
Does North Korea still use the old 10 day week of the imperial period?
Le Doosh has been trying this argument for years. The seven day cycle predates Christianity by over 2000 years. It’s acknowledged in the decree of King Sargon of the Akkadian Empire. They used seven days, because there were seven celestial bodies (the sun, moon and five planets) that were visible without the use of a telescope (they didn’t exist yet).
Second, the Bible is like if Wikipedia was only allowed to be edited by the same group benefiting from it for hundreds of years. Of course it’s going to make claims that are convenient to Christian faith.
"i said it like 3 times by now!
Uh huh, sure you did
It's easy to wreck his argument. I think y'all missed the mark by focusing on the country/nation argument.
"If Jesus can demonstrate universal sovereignty, that will make him God."
I do not grant this premise. Universal sovereignty would just demonstrate that he was King of the Earth. It would not demonstrate that he was the creator and sustainer and final underwriter.
"Jesus demonstrated universal sovereignty by predicting the universal adoption of the seven-day week."
I do not grant that planetary adoption of the seven-day week demonstrates Jesus' sovereignty. Trivially, in English the names of the days of the week have Roman and Norse pagan roots. In French the names all have Roman pagan roots. And Jesus is not sovereign anywhere. Those are just two predominantly Christian nations. I don't know the names of the days in regions where other religions dominate; I'm sure they're not European or Christian. The fact that Christianity is not the predominant religion everywhere wrecks this premise. Even if Christianity had burned at the stake all non-believers, that would not demonstrate Jesus' divinity.
But he did say "Normative," so I guess he wins. Normative just means "thou shalt." Since we *must* call one of the days of the week the Sabbath, God. Right?
OK, he made his point. It's the only one he ever makes. You don't have to kept taking his calls.
If Jebus created the 7 day week, why are 6 of the days named for Norse gods and the 7th a Roman god?
Sun and Moon are norse gods?
Jebus must be all ecumenical!
The Babylonians are credited with the idea of the seven day week. That's BC, before Christ. 😂😂😂
Poor caller, he suffered a lobotomy at an early age and now believes things like this 😂
Isaiah 66:23 Starts off by saying "from new moon to new moon" this was based off a lunar calender.
Le Roche referenced Ezekiel 20:12 and 20:20. Neither mentions the seven day week. They talk about Sabbaths. They are from the old testament and there is no reference to Jesus. He also mentions Isaiah 6:23. There is no Isaiah 6:23. Anyone can make a mistake. He also called into the Atheist Experience a week later as Le Cook, and made the same claims.
Cool, cool, how does any of this demonstrate that a first century Jew was crucified, put into a hole in a hole in the ground, resurrected three days later, ascended to and is now in heaven???
Hey bro, I don’t care what your book of magical fairytale says. What do you got that is repeatable???
I'm sure remote uncontacted tribes in the Amazon don't keep a seven day week!
Pope Gregory XIII created, or anyway had created, the calendar that we are familiar with today, as a modification of the earlier Julian calendar. And there are four countries, including Afghanistan, Iran, Nepal and Ethiopia that do not follow the Gregorian calendar. So there's that.
Possibly something to do with seven visible to the eye heavenly bodies: Sun moon Saturn Venus mars Jupiter mercury?
Oh my god not this guy again....
Wouldn’t new moon to new moon be 14 or 28 days? So how is that 7 days?
Which country has 8 days a week?
Burma. In the Burmese version of Theravada Buddhism, the week has eight days.
I think it's funny that Jesus and all of his wisdom created a 7-day week and then named every last one of those days after a pagan deity.....
Babylonian astronomers before Christ started the seven day week, based on divisibility between moon cycles.
More than 98% of humanity has never heard of that jebus fella. Even if they wanted to.
And I strongly believe that they did a great job, otherwise we would have disappeared long ago.
Mr. Le Roche, Java uses an 8-day calendar. Welcome to atheism. You may now begin tap-dancing.
This guy is absolutely wrong about the Bible and he will never know that because he's a total narcissist.
Pretty sure the earth went around the sun once every 365 days before Jesus too
Oh right so if you just shout louder and quote a bible verse then that automatically wins any argument.
Religion is still dying in the United States.
Generation Alpha's response to this will be "Jesus who?"
Again? Really? So after the first two tines he called he didn't bother looking into the 7 day week.
"First two times"? Oh, innocent person, if only you knew...
He’s called at least 10 times.
well, i must say he takes stupid to another level...
Is Jesus and god the same thing in USA? 🤔
No doubt Jesus also made the year 365.25 days ? The Earth's rotation is slowing down due to tidal effects, but its orbit around the sun remains constant. Too bad Jesus couldn't fit a 7 day week into the Earth's annual solar orbit.
You would think this guy would have given up this really stupid idea by now.
To find this this remotely interesting I would need some kinda prove the writers of the Bible weren’t just using a/the popular form of that is the 7 day week. Prove it is a biblical original.
Even if that were the case, it seems to just prove the popularity of the concept or the religion being popular with those in power.
No actual god is required for us to adopt shared standards, the meter nor the mile are based on the Bible, neither are measures of temperature, mass, electricity, mols nor light brightness.
Even for time not much is based on the Bible, the polytheistic Roman’s changed the amount of months in a year. And the names of the days of the week are based on pagan deists rather than having biblical inspiration.
What do you believe and why?
There is no answer other than faith. Faith is a false position to have.
This same guy calls up repeatedly, usually with a new name. He only has one proof, the calendar.
Sooo aggressive to basic polite questions.
They always jump ahead to the point they are being led to instead of answering the question.
This is a troll . I am sure I have listened to him before .
Na man this guy is actually believe this. he presents the 7 day week as an argument, it doesn't matter how you answer it - he'll claim he won.
@@123gamer153 I still think I have heard that voice on other shows trolling . Maybe I mistake voices .
It would have been nice if the moderators pointed out the the clock with 60 seconds / 60 minutes / 24 hours comes from Babylon . Is Marduk Lord ? :)
One can claim just about anything if one tries hard enough .
@@eutoteu5680 Na it was him, Mr. Delicieux is his screen name. he's been repeating the same script for years.
At best this guy is just a troll who isn't smart enough to come up with better material. However I fear that might be giving him too much credit.
I'm pretty sure he's the same guy who's had his arguments debunked and shown to be fallacious on multiple call-in shows. Yet for some reason he can't seem to comprehend why everyone else doesn't fall for his misinformation and deeply flawed reasoning. I suspect that this 7-day week argument is one that he previously fell for and so now he can't bring himself to admit that he fell for such a silly argument, so now he keeps trying to save his own ego by hoping he can find someone else gullible enough to fall for it too.
This is the same guy. I recognize his voice, his laugh, his tone. He's the same guy. He also uses the same "Am I unmuted?" question when he isn't being muted.