3 Forgotten Germanic Languages: Part 3

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  • @CheLanguages
    @CheLanguages  Рік тому +15

    Which of these languages is your favorite and what would you like to see next time?

    • @AvrahamYairStern
      @AvrahamYairStern Рік тому +5

      Luxembourgish seems cool, I didn't know much about it before

    • @ThiccPhoenix
      @ThiccPhoenix Рік тому +5

      Could you do forgotten Semitic languages. I only know about Hebrew 🇮🇱 and Arabic 🇸🇦 but I’d love to know about more!

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +5

      @@AvrahamYairStern That's cool, I'm glad you learnt something!

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +5

      @@ThiccPhoenix I'm definitely planning on it!

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +5

      @Plopi96ILuvPigeons Soqotri is definitely an interesting one I will talk about

  • @DavidCowie2022
    @DavidCowie2022 Рік тому +16

    Both of my parents were Scottish, and were born in the 1920s. My dad was from north east Scotland, grew up speaking Scots, and learned English in school. My mum was from the highlands, where people had only stopped speaking Gaelic one or two generations before, and spoke English with a highland accent. She once said that when she first met his family, she couldn't understand them when they were talking amongst themselves.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +3

      Thank you for telling me this anecdote, it's super interesting how despite speaking the same language more or less, it can be so different at times depending from where you're from in your own country. Super fascinating!

  • @PecherGriffin
    @PecherGriffin Рік тому +22

    Can't wait for Forgotten Slavic languages 3

  • @Weda01
    @Weda01 Рік тому +6

    11:54 Here is a West-Frisian translation so people can compare for themselves:
    "Alle minsken wurde frij en gelyk yn weardichheid en rjochten berne. Se binne begiftigd mei ferstân en gewisse, en moatte hannelje tsjin inoar yn in geast fan bruorskip."
    For me as a West-Frisian speaker what you presented here was quite comprehensible despite some words being a bit different.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +4

      That's really good to know thank you!

  • @gladysseaman4346
    @gladysseaman4346 Рік тому +6

    History from Hilbert is a Frisian speaker living in the UK. He is extremely proud of being Frisian and is a speaker and student of ancient Germanic languages.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +5

      I am aware. He speaks West Frisian too

    • @tylersmith3139
      @tylersmith3139 9 місяців тому

      He speaks West Frisian though. North Frisian is a closely related, but still different language.
      I don't think it's mutually intelligible.

  • @Yan_Alkovic
    @Yan_Alkovic Рік тому +23

    Scots, hands down. So beautiful to hear it spoken, in any variety.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +4

      It is very poetic as a language I find

    • @scavengerethic
      @scavengerethic Рік тому +3

      "I'm not a Scots speaker but I thought I'd have a go". But I agree it *would have been* lovely to hear it spoken ;)

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      @@scavengerethic LOL, I kinda regret that now because I can't annunciate in the same beautiful way a Scots speaker can

  • @i_ate_a_cat_
    @i_ate_a_cat_ 7 місяців тому +3

    2:54 bruh that g is working overtime 💀

  • @TheMikeOrganist
    @TheMikeOrganist Рік тому +7

    Luxembourgish is very interesting, because it sounds like a rhine land dialect (mosel-francionian), but with many more french loan words. I can understand it quite good, not everything, but good! ;)

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +2

      It seems to he a mishmash of languages, much like Luxembourg in culture. Apparently only 50.1% of Luxembourgers are native, most of their population come from France, Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands and believe it or not, Portugal!

  • @AvrahamYairStern
    @AvrahamYairStern Рік тому +13

    After watching this and your video on Scottish Independence, I'm really starting to like Scots now!

  • @toranshaw4029
    @toranshaw4029 Рік тому +6

    Scots is certainly on my to learn list, along with Scottish Gaelic.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      Scots is easy at least, good luck with the Gaelic!

  • @AvrahamYairStern
    @AvrahamYairStern Рік тому +5

    I can't wait to watch this! So early

  • @QuandaleDingleGoofyAhh123
    @QuandaleDingleGoofyAhh123 Рік тому +4

    All three of these languages are great, I loved the video as always!

  • @grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewicz991

    Awesome! Part 4 please!

  • @theidioticbgilson1466
    @theidioticbgilson1466 Рік тому +3

    it's really funny when i'm watching an educational video and then out of nowhere a shitpost just figuratively smacks me in the face lol

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      I'm glad somebody appreciates my humor! Which sh🇧🇷tpost was it in this video?

  • @thedemongodvlogs7671
    @thedemongodvlogs7671 Рік тому +4

    Always appreciate more germanic languages!!

  • @grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewicz991

    I didn't even know North Frisian existed, so cool!

  • @Artur_M.
    @Artur_M. Рік тому +3

    Super cool video, as always!
    BTW History with Hilbert just uploaded a new video: "Who were the Olęders? | Dutch Colonies in Poland? (1547-1945)" and talked in it about a specific Germanic dialect called Plautdietsch or Mennonite Low German, with a very interesting history.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +3

      I saw it uploaded but haven't had the chance to watch it yet. And I'm glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @gazoontight
    @gazoontight Рік тому +3

    This is a very interesting video. Thank you.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      I'm glad you enjoyed the video as always Gazoontight

  • @nickimontie
    @nickimontie Рік тому +2

    During my trip there, I was thankful that everyone in Luxembourg could speak at least 3 languages (German, French and English) because those g's look intimidating!

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      LOL, yeah there's a lot of languages there, surprisingly, one of their most spoken languages is Portuguese

  • @michalmonstrov137
    @michalmonstrov137 Рік тому +2

    Saul's brief apperance nearly killed me. That being said, Scots.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      "That's why I fight for you Edinburgh, Scotland!"

  • @martychisnall
    @martychisnall Рік тому +1

    Ulster Scots itself is sometimes also considered a separate language from both Scots and English. It sometimes has the nickname “Ullans”.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      Yes that is true, and I intend to talk about it in more detail another time

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      Thank you for your comment!

  • @just1frosty516
    @just1frosty516 Рік тому +2

    Great video, North Frisian is rlly interesting and over looked, great flag too. U think ur gonna do a forgotten Arabian language series?

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +2

      Forgotten Semitic languages or just Arabian? It will happen yes, I already have plans for them. I'm glad you enjoyed this video too!

    • @just1frosty516
      @just1frosty516 Рік тому +2

      @@CheLanguages Arabian languages have a special place in my heart but I love the series with whatever language family

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +2

      @@just1frosty516 don't worry, either way you'll get an Arabian video

  • @JoDusepo
    @JoDusepo Рік тому +2

    12:05 Get History with Hilbert on it! He speaks West Frisian!

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      I know he does, but I think a Collab with him is unlikely!

    • @JoDusepo
      @JoDusepo Рік тому

      @@CheLanguages That's a shame

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      @@JoDusepo I can try sending him an email, but I'm only a small channel sadly

    • @JoDusepo
      @JoDusepo Рік тому +1

      @@CheLanguages Small but great! Thanks for all your work. I hope you do manage to get a collabo because it'd be really cool and you do deserve the extra traffic.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      @@JoDusepo I do have a Collab planned for next month with another UA-camr 10x my size, so hopefully that will really help my channel. Who knows, maybe I'll get to work with Hilbert in the future?

  • @lingking5882
    @lingking5882 Рік тому +1

    That luxembourgish is FUNKY, I had no idea they had their own brand of german!

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      It's quite different from German too I've heard because it's more like Plattdeutsch

    • @dan74695
      @dan74695 Рік тому

      ⁠@@CheLanguages It's mutually intelligible with other Moselle Franconian dialects. Also, it's a form of High German, like standard German; though the High German consonant shift hasn't happened in some words, like "wat" and "dat".

  • @CinCee-
    @CinCee- Рік тому +4

    If I lived around Scots speakers I could easily pick it up. I can understand about 70-80% of it as it is (in its written form)

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +2

      It's one of those cases where written and spoken forms can be difficult to discern between. If you read it in a strong Scottish accent it makes it easier

  • @mollof7893
    @mollof7893 Рік тому +2

    I could understand a few words in all of them.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      Yeah same, "Alle" is easy to guess for example

  • @epicweedskrrtswag7872
    @epicweedskrrtswag7872 8 місяців тому +1

    As someone who speaks West-Frisian I have no clue what the last three words of the sentences mean. The rest is quite easily understandable in each accent, though I can imagine it would be a lot harder to understand when speaking.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  8 місяців тому

      Ah interesting, it shows they're quite different languages then

  • @BOBofGH
    @BOBofGH Рік тому +2

    The letter g has got to be the most interesting letter in the germanic languages.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      Why is that?

    • @BOBofGH
      @BOBofGH Рік тому +3

      @@CheLanguages It can just kind of be whatever depending on the language. Also one thing I find interesting is the g-y correspondence between English and German. Day vs Tag, yawn vs gähnen, yard vs Garten, etc. In fact in old English this "y" sound was often spelled with a g. There are still modern northern German dialects that pronounce g like a j or y. Not so coincidentally, this is the part of the world where the Anglo-Saxon's came from before they settled Britain.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      @@BOBofGH yes, I am aware of the palatalization of /g/. Also in Nordic languages I believe, g is just silent a lot of the time in Swedish. Studying Old English showed was interesting to see words like "yes" sometimes being spelled "ges"

  • @silesianpatriot.
    @silesianpatriot. Рік тому

    Really cool video. i didnt know that much about luxembourgish, but now i do. Maybe u can do a video about three forgotten slavic languages like Sorbian, Silesian(the slavic one, there is also a german one) or Kashubian ;)

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      I did, haven't you seen it? It's like one of my most popular videos

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      And I talk about Silesian

    • @silesianpatriot.
      @silesianpatriot. Рік тому +1

      @@CheLanguages yea i saw it now haha, good job on showing what silesian sorbian and Kashubian is. haha

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      @@silesianpatriot. thank you, a lot of Poles got angry at me for that video but I hope Silesian (and Kashubian) will live on!

    • @silesianpatriot.
      @silesianpatriot. Рік тому +1

      @@CheLanguages well no wonder, i am also getting suppressed by poles so its kind of normal, and many poles atm are far right thinking. nethertheless keep it up!

  • @mbd501
    @mbd501 Рік тому +10

    I think Scots is a separate language from English. It diverged way back in the 1300s or so and is quite different. I can't understand much of it myself, as an American.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +4

      It's like hearing English as a foreigner who doesn't speak English to me

    • @scavengerethic
      @scavengerethic Рік тому +3

      @@CheLanguages Yeah, IMO Scots is a different language because it has a different consonant inventory, some phonology borrowed from Gaelic, and had an independent existence from English and its own literature long before the union of Scotland and England. But to muddy the waters there is a dialect continuum of vocabulary and usage between Modern Scottish English (definitely a dialect of Modern English) and Scots (a mutually unintelligible language relative to Modern English). Most people in Scotland are somewhere on that continuum, hardly any right at one end or the other.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +2

      @@scavengerethic it has a long history behind it you are right. It can be so hard to understand depending on where you are too

    • @aaronmarks9366
      @aaronmarks9366 Рік тому +1

      Definitely. I remember visiting Scotland when I was 18 (I'm from the US), and a girl a bit younger than me came up to me at a store to ask me something. I had to have her repeat herself 3 times, and I still couldn't understand what she was saying. She eventually had to pantomime and I figured out she wanted me to buy cigarettes for her 😂

    • @tylersmith3139
      @tylersmith3139 9 місяців тому

      Americans aren't really good at understanding other English dialects. I'm originally from Canada and it's perfectly understandable.
      It's a dialect of English. The phonology is pretty much the same as Scottish and Northern England dialects of English.

  • @QuandaleDingleGoofyAhh123
    @QuandaleDingleGoofyAhh123 Рік тому +3

    Yo new Che Languages video just dropped!

  • @ukinfotech
    @ukinfotech Рік тому +6

    The map at 0:11 doesn't include Yiddish. Maybe because it's underrated or people don't know that it is Germanic?

    • @AvrahamYairStern
      @AvrahamYairStern Рік тому +3

      Or maybe because it's not tied to one location?

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +3

      Ze'ev is right. It's not spoken in one location, nor is it really spoken on the continent anymore, most speakers are in the UK, US or Israel

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      @@AvrahamYairStern נכון

    • @ukinfotech
      @ukinfotech Рік тому

      ​@@AvrahamYairStern Or maybe some people don''t know it exists because it is underrated?

    • @ukinfotech
      @ukinfotech Рік тому

      @@CheLanguages Most likely that they moved because of the war in the region where Yiddish was originally spoken that i can't explain without making people unhappy and angry.

  • @Rabid_Nationalist
    @Rabid_Nationalist Рік тому +3

    FINALY SCOTS IS RECOGNISED
    (Frisian too)

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      What's Fibaly Scots?

    • @Rabid_Nationalist
      @Rabid_Nationalist Рік тому

      @@CheLanguages a typo

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +2

      @@Rabid_Nationalist oh LOL, it's still a typo btw (finally)

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +2

      @@Rabid_Nationalist I'm glad to see you're excited about the languages though!

    • @Rabid_Nationalist
      @Rabid_Nationalist Рік тому +1

      @@CheLanguages holy fuck. I hate double ls..

  • @flavi9692
    @flavi9692 Рік тому

    Does ethiopia and Eritrea have an germanic languages?it shows on one of the maps?

  • @lingking5882
    @lingking5882 Рік тому +1

    STICKLES?!?!??!😂😂😂😂😂 Yeah, that's it's own language, I'm disowning it for "stickles"!

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      Goofy word I know! I just couldn't get over "Sauls" LOL

  • @Thexxx27
    @Thexxx27 Рік тому +1

    1:36 thats not northern Germany thats in the West of Germany

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      It's north in the sense of "dialects", especially considering that Hochdeutsh is based off a Southern dialect group around mainly Austria and Bavaria historically

  • @kremitthefog3881
    @kremitthefog3881 Рік тому +1

    Very surprised there wasn't pennysylvanian German on this list considering it's use amongst a small, odd group of people and it's origins from palatinate German dialect.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +2

      I can still make other parts. In part 4 I think I will talk about the Germanic languages that exist on the American continent (there are many)

  • @christfriedrodeyns5300
    @christfriedrodeyns5300 8 місяців тому +1

    Luxemburgisch (Letzenburg: in their own language) is not the official language, but everyone uses it. Funny fact is that when you talk dutch to them, they answer in luxemburgish and not in french or german.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  8 місяців тому +1

      I thought it was official. Even if it isn't, I know that it's now a requirement to achieve a certain level of it if you want to become a citizen

  • @flavio-viana-gomide
    @flavio-viana-gomide Рік тому +1

    As a Brazilian who has studied English for many years, I don't understand Scots. It seems and older version of English.

  • @DickyMorin
    @DickyMorin 9 місяців тому

    Actually, the flag of Luxembourg has much to do with the Dutch flag. After the wars of Napoleon, diplomats from all over Europe met in Vienna to put Europe back together. They wanted a strong Netherlands to counterbalance France, so they gave it Belgium and united the new Dutch kingdom with Luxembourg in a personal union whereby the Dutch King was also the Grand Duke of Luxembourg. Both peoples were very unhappy with this and the Belgians tried to break away. As the Dutch were preparing to invade, the French intervened and Belgium became independent. The Luxembougeois had been carrying the Dutch flag for generations and as they edged away from the Dutch, they changed their flag, making it longer and lightening the blue and red stripes. They may have made the blue the same tint as was on the old flag of Luxembourg but their flag is still an altered Dutch flag. The relationship is clear when the two flags are side by side.

  • @cillianennis9921
    @cillianennis9921 Рік тому +1

    Scots is also spoken in Northern Airlann and parts of the republic of Ireland. It is a dialect called Ulster scots, I can speak very little of it but my ancestors spoke it and see it as my duty to honour them and protect my ancestors language. Ulster scots is not doing as well as Scots but hopefully it doesn't die its defiantly growing from the census report so it may only be spoken by 10% or so of our population. But its probably because your less likely to see it as a language if your more Irish nationalist than British Unionist. Since it comes from the Scots. Also I know you mention it but like I spent time on this so add some more to it. Also your scots sounds a bit more Dutch.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      Yes, Ulster Scots is on the map, I thought I mentioned it?! And yeah, I can see my Scots sounding like Dutch, I cannot do a Scottish accent at all LOL

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      But I hope you found the section interesting

    • @cillianennis9921
      @cillianennis9921 Рік тому +1

      @@CheLanguages it was.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      @@cillianennis9921 ah good

  • @petterbirgersson4489
    @petterbirgersson4489 7 місяців тому +1

    6:10 "No true scotsman". Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  7 місяців тому

      LOL. Do you speak Scots? I was in Edinburgh the other month (I loved it, my favourite city in the UK by far) and got to hear lots of Scots and Scottish English, it was great to hear the spectrum that I talked about in the video.

    • @petterbirgersson4489
      @petterbirgersson4489 7 місяців тому +1

      @@CheLanguages Unfortunately not, but I would love to visit Scotland. It seems to be an interesting and nice place.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  7 місяців тому +1

      @@petterbirgersson4489 I love Scotland. I've been a few places there, Edinburgh was definitely my favourite city. If you go there, it's 100% worth going to the National Gallery and National Museum

  • @myotherchannel2729
    @myotherchannel2729 Рік тому

    How about you get native speakers to contribute to your language videos?

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      Sure let me go and get a native North Frisian speaker....
      All jokes aside, I do have some people help me sometimes

  • @austriacontinente154
    @austriacontinente154 Рік тому +2

    Scots is very interesting, I wonder i the name of "Scots" as "Albais" in scottish gaelic is a recent academic or politically correct invention as ancient linguistic and racial tensions between the highland "gaelic" and lowland "English" Scottish constantly tried to paint the other as foreign "Scottish English" (Beurla Albanach) and simply "Irish" (Erse)
    I personally think they're both right in a way in that scottish gaelic and scots (or scottish english) are more like the dialects of northern ireland/ulster irish and northern england english and still comprehensible to speakers of english and to ulster irish and manx, So really it's just out of mysticism and exoticism people think the Scottish variety of "Irish" is any more legitimate than the Scottish variety of "English" (Even to a lesser extent with nothern Ireland Ulster Scots vs Ulster Irish)
    it's funny despite Scots older legacy of separation, from the saxons rather than English Angles I find the extinct English creoles in Ireland of Fingallian and Yola (Forth and Bargy) much different and unintelligible ironically despite being the dialects of the English settlements in Ireland by the descendants of literal English people from England being ruled by England than Scottish Scots and Ulster Scots which to me sound just like English with a Scottish accent...

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      You seem to know more than I do about the nomenclature. Thank you for your comment, it was interesting to read, I learnt a thing or two. I actually talked about Yola in my 3 Revival Movements video if you've seen it. Do you speak Scots or Scottish (Gaelic)?

  • @jansundvall2082
    @jansundvall2082 Рік тому

    What is a language or a dialekt? In a broad perspective the three continental Scandinavian languages are intelligible, the difference between them are more or less as the difference between German dialects.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +3

      The standard varieties yes, but then there are varieties of Swedish that are different languages (Dalecarlian for example), the same with Norwegian and Danish dialects. It gets complicated

    • @jansundvall2082
      @jansundvall2082 Рік тому +2

      @@CheLanguages that is the same in the German speaking area, you have Alemanic and Austrian/Bavarian dialects that are unintelligible for most northern Germans and vice versa.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +2

      @@jansundvall2082 yes, German dialects are often different languages

    • @dan74695
      @dan74695 Рік тому +1

      Many dialects in all three countries are mutually unintelligible, like Dalecarlian, Bothnian and standard Swedish, for example.

    • @dan74695
      @dan74695 Рік тому +1

      @@CheLanguages It does get complicated.

  • @QuandaleDingleGoofyAhh123
    @QuandaleDingleGoofyAhh123 Рік тому +4

    09:07 HAHAHHA SAUL 💀💀💀

  • @martychisnall
    @martychisnall Рік тому +3

    Scots is definitely it’s own language the fact that a native English speaker (such as me who’s actually from England) would struggle sometimes to understand someone speaking Scots makes it far more divergent than just a dialect to me.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      Especially the Doric dialect of Scots!

  • @lewiitoons4227
    @lewiitoons4227 Рік тому

    the scots was close but no quite hahahaha gid effurt tho

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      What do you mean?

    • @lewiitoons4227
      @lewiitoons4227 Рік тому

      @@CheLanguages Aw sorry to clarify I was speaking of your pronunciation being slightly off but you gave a good go of it though

  • @epicweedskrrtswag7872
    @epicweedskrrtswag7872 8 місяців тому +1

    Fryslân boppe!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • @Cristian.Niculaescu
    @Cristian.Niculaescu Рік тому

    @ CHE- idiș!

  • @Frag_Limit
    @Frag_Limit Рік тому +1

    I want to hear 3 speakers of east, West and north Frisian talking to each other

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому +1

      That would certainly be something to behold!

    • @MonsieurWeevil
      @MonsieurWeevil Рік тому +2

      East Frisian is almost extinct, being replaced by Low German, the only East Frisian language that is still around is Sater-frisian, wich is struggling as well.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      @@MonsieurWeevil isn't it only spoken in three villages in Germany? Either way, I plan on incorporating it into Part 4 when I make it because it definitely deserves attention

    • @MonsieurWeevil
      @MonsieurWeevil Рік тому +1

      @@CheLanguages Yeah, it's 4.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Рік тому

      @@MonsieurWeevil ah, thank you for the clarification