Gun Gripes Episode 78: California bans lead ammunition
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I live in CALIFORNIA. ;( But in order to comply with "no lead ammunition for hunting", I'm switching to depleted Uranium rounds. Because deer are jerks, thats why.
(I do not actually intend to do this)
That would be playing hard ball man! Haha
I do. I'm going to use some A-10 warthog 30mm depleted Uranium cannon rounds. The radiation from the rounds cooks the meat while taking the deer down (or vaporizing it). You kill two deer with one stone.
What i think about lead ammo is it shouldnt be a ban, but ammo makers need to figure out how to make cheap lead free ammo and slowly phase lead ammo out of production, but only if they can make lead free ammo at a equal or lower price then lead ammo. The difference is there is no law forcing it, just the companies taking responsibility and knowing lead is still a poison
thank you for caring about us cali guns lovers
We won't give up on you! Lots of great people in Cali. Lots of crazies too unfortunately.
+Toolness1 oh I know :/
Sorry m8. Nothing we can do about your insane voters and politicians.
Hide your guns in a box underground. Grow some flowers over it. They will come for you. Make sure there arent any cameras on the spot when your burrying it.
Insane state that says yes to illegal immigrants, and no to legal gun owners
I would love to hear what Barry would have to say today!
Here in B.C you are only allowed to use lead (tipped) ammunition to hunt as it is seen as the most humane way to kill an animal.
LEECHESANDCREAM That's because Canada has some commonsense.
+thelongslowgoodbye Bullshit. We have some of the most idiotic gun laws on the planet.
lger2010 I'm from Australia. I guess it's all relative...
lger2010 Well he did say *some* commonsense not a lot of common sense.
+lger2010 we actually have it better than California
It was no picnic. I was facing being homeless. Luckily, i had someone able to help and get me out of the situation. Though bad luck got me into the situation, I was lucky to have contacts outside CA. Maybe one day you will be so fortunate.
How are these laws passed without research that proves this is a valid concern? I think its insane that when it comes to gun control its the only area where you don't need to know jack shit about firearms to make these insane laws. If you tried to regulate the medical industry with anything less than an MD + FACS + Handful of PhD's you'd be laughed out the room. Why is gun control the only topic where its ok to be completely ignorant of the facts? I'm not even trying to be rhetorical right now.
+nateo200 EXACTLY, THEY ARE BARELY QUALIFIED TO HOLD OFFICE LET ALONE PASS LAWS REGARDING GUN RIGHTS. THEY ARE SUCH EVIL, DISGUSTING PEOPLE
+nateo200 The first lead in gun ammo studies where done in the 1950's. The research has shown the water fowl ammo ban has saved tens of millions off ducks and made it safe to eat them. Anyone who loves hunting should support nolead hunting. The US military is going to green ammo, why? Because troops working on outdoor ranges have been showing up with high lead levels. Don't believe me? How about FoxNews? www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/21/end-line-for-lead-bullet-regulations-bans-force-switch-to-green-ammo.html
The ban on lead for waterfowl made sense. I've actually worked cleaning up lead from an estuary. Each bucket was a pound of lead (average).
That's got nothing to do with putting one round into a deer or a pig.
A lead ban on 22 lr? That means inhumane hits on jack rabbits. Period. That's what it means.
Inhumane hits that cause suffering.
BTW - There are multiple EXCELLENT lead-free options for my 45-70 that I have used for pig, and while they're expensive they are really not any more expensive than "hunt" lead ammo.
They should have excluded rimfire, though. The technology isn't there.
The liberals pay for their own liberal biased gun control research groups by taxing gun purchases, I swear to God.
In case someone hasn't answered you yet. You are correct in your last thought, FMJ is just as the last word states a jacket of metal that surrounds a different metal. The jacket being the brass or copper or whatever material is used and the interior metal being lead. It's cost effective, adds weight easily and is soft leading to changing shape as in hollow points for damage effect.
so i cant shoot one 30-30 at a dear in California but its still legal for me to dump 200 with my AR ar a range? ha yeah makes alot of sense..
Please don't point that out to our law makers.
Guess which way they'll change it to "make sense"?
Justin Thomas I believe the law is to protect condors
We banned lead in the Condor Range areas back in the 'oughts.
@@1810jeff All the buzzards and coyotes in California prove that scavengers aren't being affected by the use of lead ammo. Hell, we usually put the rounds directly INTO the coyotes and we STILL can't get rid of the damn things!
People use "magazine rebuild kits" to either A: rebuild and repair their pre-ban magazines that are getting worn out, or B. to create a 10 round magazine. If you permanently convert a magazine to 10 rounds via either a glued in block or a rivet.
it seems to be a test for the rest of the nation ban this in cali then se how it goes then try other states...
I had a subject of basic-intermediate electonics, in high school. I had been exposed to lead for 4 years on a weekly basis.(Two 'one hour' sessions per week for 2 years and a total '4 hour' session per week for 2 years)[Excluding 4 months of compiled vacation]
And in every session, I had to touch/smell(or have an occasional burn) Using lead to solder my projects. . . And in that period, I(nor my shopmates) have never had any form of lead poisoning.
If they say copper or anything else besides lead is armor piercing and illegal.. isn't that basically saying you can't hunt anymore? Also Commiefornia makes so many preposterous laws, on guns, it makes Europe's gun laws look good... i thought this was America, "Land of the free, and home of the brave" not "Land of strict laws, and home of sitting ducks".
Not just Cali , my state also sucks. Shitting on my rights.
well only we as hunters will be able to stop this we need to vote we have people who dont hunt voting if we dont stand up we will lose this battle
The law is not too protect humans from consuming lead, the law is to protect the California condor.
Lead free sucks. Talk to any fisherman. I swear that the human race will out think itself into extinction.
Yup I don't fish tungsten because that shit is almost 4x the cost of lead...
You gotta be fucking kidding me. You put LEAD into fucking water? Your wallet shouldn't be the fucking concern when the lead you're putting into the ocean will DEFINITELY end up poisoning someone.
I fish fresh water. Not the oceanic.
I most states its banned for hunting water animals already, but I see no reason to ban it for hunting that isn't even near water.
You kinda have to ask yourself this, If you knew there was a double barrel 12 gauge pointing at you on the other side of a door, would you kick it in? Mass shootings are not happening at police stations they are happening in gun free zones like schools and airports where there are less chances of retaliation. In San Antonio a shooting began at a movie theater, it was ended with one bullet by someone with a concealed weapons permit before anyone was hurt.
The reason for the lead ammo ban for hunting is not about lead poisoning in humans. The reason for the ban is actually the California Condor. I was surprised when I learned (while visiting Zion National Park in Utah) that the reason that condors are nearly extinct is that they are highly susceptible to lead poisoning due to consuming lead bullets in carrion. While California is a terrible state for gun ownership, this issue is less about gun control, and more about conservation. Note that the ban is for hunting only. Buying and possessing lead rounds is still legal. Lead rounds for plinking and home defense- still legal and available. I am a gun owner and hunter. As an outdoorsman, I recognize that there is a covenant of stewardship with Mother Nature. In exchange for the bounty that we take from the land, we must protect and preserve the land and wildlife. "Leave it better than you found it." While among 2nd amendment activists there might be a tendency towards a knee-jerk reaction against this legislation, those who it actually effects (hunters) should take their roles as stewards seriously and be among the first to consider the validity of the concern that this law addresses. It would certainly be a shame for the Condor to go extinct as a result of lead left in the field by hunters during our watch.
Wow. Your eloquence is exceeded only by your insight. No need for personal attacks. You don't know anything about me and you are calling me a bitch. (or at least I assume that you are. Your lack of punctuation makes it difficult to know exactly what you are saying.) For the record I am an ardent and active second amendment supporter and am resistant to any legislation that infringes on that right. I do think that protecting the condor is also important. Do something positive.
I also heard on the "news" that the California Condor, which is coming back from the brink of extinction was getting lead poisoning from scavenging of carcasses that had been shot by lead ammunition.
Lead is quite safe but one question; Why does the government mandate different light bulbs which contain mercury and are very hazardous when broken and far more dangerous then lead could ever be?
Gary Rumer becausthe liberals like brownin and
Believe or not this a bittersweet thing in CA. We had a semi-auto ban in that same packet of bills on Browns desk and by some weird miracle he vetoed it. Many CA gun owners did everything they could to stop all the bills, but ultimately the word didnt necessarily get out very far. Lots of folks didnt even know these bills existed. So it's already been enough for the citizens of California.As far as the mag thing goes the theory was that the rebuild kits were for pre-ban (2000) mags in the state
The reason lead bullets were banned in Cali was because the California Condor was suffering from lead poisoning and the fact that a bunch of water supplies were being tainted by leftover lead bullets out in the boonies. I don't mind so much this ban as long I am allowed to use other alloys. As a gun owner, I do care about the environment.
koolkitty8989 I don't think there are quite enough hunters in california for the lead from bullets to be anywhwere near the same size of a problem as trash and batteries
An assault weapons ban went into effect in Maryland on October 1st which apparently banned "assault rifles, assault shotguns, and assault pistols" They also banned more than 10rnd mags from being sold in state so u have to buy them out of state. It's really ridiculous to me.
i cant wait for cali to be split up into those six new states, i live in the glorious State of Jefferson. when and if that happens these proposed lead bans should not apply to S.o.J.
Jagylakl So when is this happening?
I was an intern for assembly member Rendon. The author of this bill, AB711. Before session started I would ask him, what do you think this bill will do? And he would give the dumbest answer. Long story short he did it so he could contribute to his Dem. buddy's since he is a freshman assembly member he wanted to be part of the big anti gun bill package. But I am glad I am out now, I was there only for experience. Since I am a Political Science Major. Great video guys.
The laws have nothing to do with "anti-gunners" or impeding upon 2nd amendment rights. This has to do with wildlife health and saving species that are easily susceptible to lead poisoning. Humans are exposed to this lead and can be harmful in the long-term, but it's mostly for the health of CA's ecosystems. The CA Condor will never have a true recovery because lead poisoning still continues to endanger them. It's worth a small, perhaps inconvenient change to make a lasting impact for future hunters and CA residents. We all need these animal scavengers to be around forever!
Galea Albano
their are plenty of turkey vultures to take the condors place so many their flying over the city of LA. I've never seen a deficit in birds or mammals in 40 years I've been hunting and the condors are still increasing in #s the ban on lead ammo is bullshit what about the solar tower incinerating hundreds of birds at a time in mid flight why are you not wining over that?
wiloughby please research how the loss of any species affects habitats, and eventually humans. turkey vultures are also susceptible to lead poisoning
The bullet is usually in the animal when you take it home. We keep a jar full. This law is pointless, and actually bad for hunting because of lead bullets mass and therefor energy, only way to increase energy is to add velocity, which increases the chance of the round passing through without being some specialty ammo. Which means the animal is more likely to survive and now you have to chase it down.
I agree with steel shot for bird hunting because that lead ends up usually right in the water peppered by a shotgun. But for single shot hunting, this law is pointless.
Lead has been banned in the CA Condor Range for well over a decade.
C'mon.
It depends.
They make some great lead-free center-fire rifle bullets now. Copper, with a hollow point that mushrooms out.
But lead-free .22 LR are a bad joke. At 50 yards, the accuracy looks like you were patterning a 28 gauge loaded with buck.
FYI; people buy 30 round mag kits to modify into 10 round mags upon assembly because they are cheaper and easier to handle than 10 round mags.
i hate living in cali
Here in Oregon, you can't use anything other than lead or copper for the muzzle loader hunt. Almost every copper conical bullet has a synthetic tip or base which is illegal, so lead is pretty much your only option.
Im from California and I like having my water and earth not to have lead.
So....none of your earth has lead?
we do from the past, were doing damage control. We went through a gold rush that ruined the fishing. So we are trying to keep the problem from getting worse.
wrarface
No, it doesn't.
So many bullets, everywhere, have exposed the earth to so much lead it has polluted our water systems and it's so bad. I hear about it all the time and I am very concerned about 150 grain bullets of lead in a huge stream or lake. My god, it's striking to even think about.
Yes but it is in a different chemical configuration. Like this analogy = H2O compared to H2 gas
and O2.
You can breath oxygen and and can't breath water.
Water doesn't explode in the presence of air H2 molecules do.
Chemistry has weird combinations of elements that can range from harmful to benign. I am using my head thats why I don't want lead in high concentrations anywhere (maybe with the exception of North Korea). No I am not a hipster just a casual drinker.
i think you guys are doing the right thing by educating the public how ever i think the people that watch your videos all ready understand it. its the people that don't understand that need to hear theses things
I live in California. At gun shows, people sell regular capacity (20 and 30 rounds) magazine parts kits. You can buy the parts kits legally, because it has every part necessary to repair grandfathered magazines. It is a crime to manufacture the magazine (put the parts together).
They did sneak this one in on us. Any 11+ round magazines previously legally owned will now be criminal to possess and without any due process of law or reimbursement.
"I wonder what state is could be about"
This is the first time I have "liked" a video in under ten seconds.
Have you guys heard about the only primary lead smelter in the USA being shut down in December!!!!
The Doe Run smelter is shutting down and that will REALY make ammo prices go out the window not to mention the implications for natural security!!
Just think.. now all refined lead will have to come from overseas??
Its not just ammo, you think car batterys are expensive now???
THE DAMN EPA uped their requirements by 10x for emmisions!!!!!
If that's not back door under the table gun controll then what is it???
Besides insanity SAD IN the USA
I live in St Louis. My parents live in Bonne Terre, Mo. I also lived in Arnold, Mo .I've driven through the area the Doe Run occupies a thousand times. Have you ever been there? Have you ever tasted the water there? Ever smelled the air there? Have you ever been anywhere near a smelter?
F.Y. I.: There are basically three reasons that caused a partial reversal of the lead-ban some states of Germany: 1)lead-free bullets seemingly rather tend to ricochet, exposing others to high risk (important esp. in driven-hunts) 2.)There tends to be increase pressure in barrel and system when shooting these cartridges which are potentially dangerous. 3.)on the other hand, the energy these bullets hit with can be quite low. If I find something on the cases in English, I'll post the links here.
The ammunition ban is associated with the decline of the California Condor. The idea is that a lead bullet enters and goes to hell inside of the animal. That gut pile is left in the field and the Condor eats the pile. This leads to an assumed lead poisoning. You can still hunt small game such as cottontail and tree squirrel & most all upland game with lead ammunition despite being in the current banned lead zone. Impressions are that small game are collected and taken home
...Continued. Non-Tox solid (non-frangible) ammunition is also usually a harder (but still heavy weight) material such as steel, brass, or hardened copper. These materials, while not a problem in a smooth-bore firearm such as a shotgun, have inherent problems when encountering a rifled bore. The projectile does not allow rifling to properly cut into the projectile, and in fact can wear down rifling at a rate many times greater than even steel-jacketed lead ammunition does.
Lead from guns is a very real thing. I only shoot at a highly ventilated range, because a lot of old-time shooters I know have lead exposure. Protect yourselves, people!
In Canada, the government banned lead shot for duck hunting. I dutifully used steel shot for duck hunting. I had more injured ducks falling out of the sky and drowning themselves in the marsh, than I ever did with lead shot. Even when I was able to get off a second shot at 20 feet on the duck in the water to finish it off, the steel shot was ineffective. I could see the shot impacting the water with a 2 foot spread. I switched to #4 Upland Game Load, which is still lead. All the subsequent ducks fell from the sky dead.
Ranges have lead contamination issues because of what happens when a lead or lead cored round impacts a solid barrier such a steel plate or berm. It "vaporizes".
Chris kelly .. i am unfortunately a California resident. and you are correct and true in your statement.
one of the contributing factors is also the fact that you have hunters that are bad shot/trackers that will shot an animal and not put it down right away and lose said animal and then it dies of its wound and them the California condor comes in and eats said animal and it kills the condor and we cant have that.
If you're interested in the basic story of how environmentally friendly ammunition("Miljøammunisjon") worked out for the Norwegian army, I suppose you could have a look at Wikipedia's entry with that name and run it through some translator. The article has links to various Norwegian newspapers as well. The ammo is currently banned for the HK416, which is the standard rifle used by the Norwegian army and this effectively is a complete ban of such rounds.
It's getting harder and harder to own firearms here... its absurd the loopholes I have to go through to purchase a new firearm.
Unfortunatly I'm from CA, NorCal & The governor and senate put this law through without a vote from the citizens, also their reasoning was to keep birds like the condor from getting exposed to lead through wounded or dead animals from hunting
As far as 22LR I really like the Hornady varmint x it's a tin bullet also has the added benefit of being able to punch through plinking Targets surprisingly
What a brilliantly insightful analysis and refutation of the points I presented. You must have been captain of the debating team in high school.
Most articles claim that the ban was put into place to protect animals, specifically the California Condor which eats the “gut piles” left by hunters and become poisoned. final version of the legislation protects hunters by allowing the ban to be lifted if the federal government decides to prohibit hunters from using non-lead ammo.
Barnes, Hornady, Nosler and Federal (probably others) all make copper or gilding metal hunting bullets. They are constructed in such a way that they expand upon impact but shed only a small percentage - 1 to 5 percent - of mass. They all, as well as other manufacturers who use their bullets, make non-lead ammunition.
If it's a jacketed round then yes there is lead in it. What you want to look for is SCHP or SCP ammunition. The SC means Solid Copper.
"Under their thumb" is a good way to describe how us gun folks in California feel about our state's crazy politics. If you're not from here you probably don't realize how many folks are pro gun and hunting in this state (our ranges are packed on the weekends), but unfortunately we get overwhelmed by a liberal majority that elect politicians that try to legislate out everything they consider evil.
I saw a documentary claiming there was a biodegradable bullet in the works that performed on par with some current ammunition. That was probably 10 years ago. What happened to that? Should've been done by now.
I can't. I've been hunting in Big Sur and the Sierras all my life. Leaving these mountains would be the death of me. And hunting aside, I'm a car guy first. I manufacture components for race engines. And part of that means sometimes I get to drive all over California to represent my company at all the amazing race tracks we have. Willow Springs, Sonoma Raceway, Laguna Seca, Fontana, Pamona. I can't leave.
Wait a minute wait a minute, you know Billy Joe and Jim Bob too? I hang out with those 2 crazy dudes all the time. Man, it seems like everyone knows them boys? They must really get around! Seriously, thanks for getting this out there guys. It's getting harder and harder to just damn near shoot these days, let alone just own a damn gun here in Cali. Keep up the good fight men!
Here is some basic ecology for you. Hunters shoot lead ammunition while hunting. Years go by, lead from missed shots builds up in the environment. As this lead is building up, rain, snow, etc. are leaching the lead into the environment from the bullets. This lead is taken up by plants and then taken up by the animals that eat the plants and the shift of tropic level causes the levels of lead to build up in the animals that eat the plants. (cont)
Not taking sides, but some additional points to ponder: 1)Several years ago, environmentalists tried to ban lead bullets due to high levels of lead contamination of surface & groundwater runoff, particularly from military installations. It's just a matter of time before the EPA starts to monitor firing ranges. 2) A politician's vote may be different tomorrow, than what it was last week. 3) Those few jobs & little bits of money don't mean squat to these people, just look what they've done to Coal
Anyone remember what happened after California passed the CARB and decreed that gas cans used in California must meet a certain standard? ALL manufacturers of gas cans stopped making the beloved 5 gallon Jerry Jugs that took the nice, easy to use fuel spout and started making CARB complient gas cans just so they wouldn't have to have a special production line JUST for California. Now that California has banned lead in hunting ammo, I see the manufacturers doing the same thing with ammo that they did with gas cans.
The problem is that assuming that these laws had "good intentions" behind them, they are often drafted by urban politicians who are absolutely clueless about firearms or wildlife management. We have this problem where I live, gun ownership is frowned upon, and hunting almost as much, so there is an overpopulation of deer, and seals. The dear are constantly getting hit by cars, and attracting predators like cougars and bears, and the seals are endangering fish stocks.
Even when casting lead, I am pretty sure there is no lead vapor unless you get it WAY hotter than it needs to be, like boiling temperature hot, over 3000 degrees.
I live in Comifornia unfortunately. But I buy 22 LR anywhere I can find it just to invest in it when the ban takes affect in 2019. The only down part is most places limit you to only 4 boxes or 200 rounds a visit per day.
The issue is that it does basically ban all ammunition for hunting. Any non-lead ammunition is expensive. Eventually someone will be target shooting without a backstop and accidentally hit an animal. Once that happens they will attempt to ban lead ammunition entirely.
Conranos just bought full copper hunting loads for my rifle for $25 a box... That’s less than I was paying for my lead coreloks
In Switzerland almost every household has a gun which is issued by the government. They have had only 53 homicides and only a 3.8% chance of being a victim of crime.
the bill was indeed drafted under the auspices of preserving the well being of he condor and other wildlife however the argument does not hold water when you consider natural occurrences etc of lead .
If you ask that cheeky, how about:
"Every semi-auto that has a rifled barrel (regardless of magazine size/type) or smooth barrel with detachable magazine"
As you point out, if the focus was safety, the legislation would be on lead recovery at ranges, not hunting. I wouldn't trust Commissar Brown of Kalifornia in the outhouse without a muzzle on.
Removing lead from electronics is one of the many reasons why a brand new TV doesn't last anymore then five years and ends up in the dump thanks to cracked solder joints. Even time that happens a new TV has to be made using more rare earths, energy, and other resources, so how is that a "Positive" trend? In spite of what many think the reason lead was removed from gasoline is because it fouls catalytic convertors, but it is still used in aviation fuel because they need very high octane gas.
Lead is poisonous though, army got rid of lead ammo for similar reasons
What I'm saying is the light round needs that extra velocity to achieve deep penetration as it does not carry as much kinetic energy. A by product of its light weight. Try throwing a ping pong ball at the wall then fill it with water and repeat, see which achieves penetration. If you accelerate the empty ball enough, you can achieve the same depth it just takes more velocity to get the job done. Velocity x mass = energy.
I'm from Illinois and a life time hunter. They banned lead rounds a long while back. I don't really care either. I can use steel and copper plated just fine.
Im glad someone got my drift :) There has been a world wide (ahem developed world) drop in violent crime since the peak in the 80s early 90s. The thing to note is that the US enjoyed leading that drop in crime despite leading the world in gun ownership, the UK saw some changes but considering the sweeping gun bans they never saw the promised results as the ban only really effected people who never intended to shoot any one.
The whole idea behind parts kits is that they are supposed to be used to repair old magazines that were owned before the ban was in place. The ban allowed people to hold on to their mags, it just banned the sale, transfer, importation and manufacture of mags capable of holding more than ten rounds. So yes it's a stupid law but the mag kits do have a logical intended purpose.
This is probably just a phase caused by environmental activism. The Norwegian military stopped using lead ammunition a few years back and ironically, they reintroduced it a few years later because the troops practicing the most started reporting health issues after the switch.
For hunting big game, the health issues associated with fragmentation of lead bullets have been handled by laws regulating how much meat has to be cut away from the bullet channel if the meat is to be sold in stores.
just like in FL now we cant hardly find lead fishing weights because they are worried about the fish.
Pencils haven't contained lead for decades. They are wood, with lead-free paint, and use graphite as the writing material.
What's funny is they're banning effective hunting loads, yet during the push for AWB '13 DF kept falling back on the line "Protecting the rights of legitimate hunters." I guess not.
you are absolutely right!!
during the raining season you can see all the spots of Low Lead onto the tarmac.
Yes so 90-95% of small arms ordnance is lead-free. The 240B is the only U.S. gun that shoots 7.62 and is commonly found. The M14 rifle is still issued but only to select marksman.
We also aren't allowed to buy repair kits for our 30 round magazines anymore.
making it illegal to put kits together is like selling legos to a kid and telling him to never put the pieces together -_-
The backlash is coming from the people that organized the recalls in Colorado. They are in Ca. putting petitions together for recalls on some of the senators that passed these bills in the first place. Think Gov. Brown is aware of their efforts and thus vetoed the semi-auto firearm bill.
the parts kit is legal as long as its in pieces its a illegal when you assemble the mags you can have a 30 round mag if it was pre-assault rifle ban and grandfathered.
The reason for this is because the highly endangered California condor could eat the meat with a lead bullet in it and when it lays its eggs the shells become thin and when the condor would sit on the eggs the eggs would crack and kill the bird and would eventually kill off the rest of the condors
In Europe we have the same thing right now.
But actually from a scientific standpoint the situation is the following:
1) Birdshot at waterfowl -> very bad (poisoned ducks), steel slightly less effective
2) Birdshot at rabbits -> bad (poisoned top predators from wounded ones)
3) Rifle-Bullets -> bad for you eating it (people eating game have on average a 10x higher lead exposure)
Given that alternatives to lead ammunition exist, I'd advocate banning it, even thou that means by-by for my shotguns
Any law or ammendment can be repealed. Prohibition is an excellent example. Some folks would like to repeal the Affordable Care Act. Don't count on the sanctity of the second or any ammenment.
Gun Gripes is like Game Grumps... you should make a funny intro like that.
After shooting your firearm, you and everything around you is covered in lead dust, this includes your shoes, range bag, clothes, hat, anything with you or you touch. Your car seats and interior also get lead dust on it when you drive home, take this seriously if you have young kids or have them I your car or around you. Removes clothes inside closed shower, place in plastic garbage bag, empty bag directly inside washer gently, wash on hot extra soap, carefully discard bag, clean contamination.
A large contributing reason for governor Brown vetoing the semi-auto ban was the online forum Calguns.net. We at Calguns generated over 40,000 snail-mail letters, and even more emails and electronic correspondence to the Governor's office. Alot of us, including myself even called his office and left messages multiple times illustrating our disgust with the then pending legislation. I would like to extend an invitation to all subs of IV8888 to join the organization, and especially Eric and Barry.
actually besides the lead vapor I think the most dangerous exposure to lead is in large quantities coming at you at 1000's of feet per second.... :P
Im from minnesota and we've had "non-toxic shot" since 1999 it's not really that big of a deal here.
The biggest threat to the California Condor is the DDT, not lead ammo
Thanks for not giving up on us out here. I am from Kern County, which is basically little Texas lol
In Canada we cannot use lead for birds but we can for small game and larger
There is a big difference between nontoxic shot for shotguns and banning any ammo with lead Every rifle and pistol round is lead based, if it is based on another metal it is either VERY expensive, underweight or could be considered out of hand Armor piercing.
The M24 shoots 7.62, and the Bradley IFV and M1A1 MBT both have 7.62 coax guns built off of M60's. Also, some tier 1 ops use the FN SCAR-H which shoots a 7.62 So to say the 240B is the ONLY gun that shoots a .308 is entirely untrue. I would also be surprised if some Nat. Guard units don't still employ the M60.
Hey guys, I'm a gun owner and I was actually surprised that Gov. Brown vetoed many of the anti-gun bills, such as the attempt to block the sale of semi-automatic rifles. Sure some of the bills were signed into law, but Brown, a gun owner himself, wasn't an extremist, and he should be given some credit for not giving into the anti-gun lobby's attempt to ban almost everything.
On the plus side this law only applies to using lead ammo for hunting purposes. You can still own and use it at the range. But the are worried about the endangered condor eating carcasses with lead remnants, but that has been the law with shot shell hunting for quite a while.
Also lead appears in the natural world. It is not a man made element and the places where it is mined don't seem to be "contaminated"
According to Gundata.org a 45 ACP Aguila 230 gr. FMJ fired from a gun zeroed at 10 yds at a muzzle velocity of 830 fps will have 20.1" of drop, a velocity of 749 FPS, and 286 ft/lbs of energy @ 100 yds. I don't care how hard you try you can't make a 230 gr. match a 165 gr. for velocity in the same gun. Even with +P ammo. In terms of distance (not time) a 230 will drop an inch before a 165 will. Right or wrong this is how most people interpret external ballistics.
I mean, the military banned lead ammunition amongst their own ranks and they do pretty damn well. I couldn't really care less so long as it doesn't end up being a factor in clearing prices for other forms of ammunition.
Led ammo have been banned in denmark for many years and we got no problem with that..