Our F1 Driver Ratings for the 2024 Azerbaijan Grand Prix
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Matt and Tommy are back for another batch of F1 driver ratings! This time it's for the race around Baku in Azerbaijan.
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Tommy is such a Fernando fan he has him twice in his final ratings 😂
with alonsos age he basically counts as 2 drivers.
Albon was anonymous it seems
@@mram7571 Alonso is older than Bearman and Colapinto combined
@@cpasa798Colapinto and Albon got 8.9/10 on my Driver Ratings. They managed to convert their Q3 appearance into a great 7th and 8th place finish.
@@mram7571 Alonso + Hamilton = nearly a century
I love how Oscar showed more emotion winning grill the grid than Baku 😂
He showed more on winning Baku , what are u on about😂
@@lostmind24same way Norris does when winning at Miami.
@@purwantiallan5089 yup
to be fair with Albon, he got a fridge stuck in his car on qualifying
still, absolutely brilliant job by Colapinto, i really want Audi to sign him
Colapinto has a chance to best albon for the rest of the season
@@Pidea14 and if he does that, absolutely brilliant, more reason to be signed by Audi
i’m just stating that albon got pretty unlucky at qualifying
@alexeileal3622 we've been comparing albon to Sargent, this is his true test the rest of the season
@@Pidea14 sure, Colapinto is better than Sargeant but he’s still a rookie, a very good one
Sainz is going to be the real test
39:28 Fernando Alonso gentlemen, not only a rookie but drives two cars in a single race
Stroll and Bottas imo should've been 1.5/10.
If you know what happened to Hulkenberg he got literally robbed by fia being indecisive
Well sadly is. Shizuku Osaka, Franco Colapinto, George Russell, Sergio Perez and Setsuna Yuki all should've got at least 9.5/10...
It’s not 3 minutes long this time 😂😂
Just to be fair to Nico, he wasn’t asleep. He hit some debris and damaged his car
No, he also slowed down and didn't realized there wasn't a yellow flag
@LPChipi that race should have gone to VSC immediately, there was shit all over the track. Hulk was just being safe.
@@thrmosSure, and how did that turn out? I'm not disagreeing, but everyone was on the same situation and he was the only one to lose places over it.
@LPChipi Because he’s the only one who picked up some debris? Watch his onboard and you’ll see. You can hear it so he’s not making it up, and I didn’t see it until he hit it so it’s not really a case of poor awareness
And no it wasn’t a case of him not knowing where was yellow flag, he was asking ‘why wasn’t it SC’ because he thought they should’ve brought it out, not because it was out
@@Nando_Lorris_04 Dude, he himself said he was an idiot. I don't know what we're arguing about.
23:20 - “you wonder why [Lando] completely aborted his lap”
Literally McLaren on the radio to him: “we have to box”
It’s as if people don’t pay attention anymore honestly
He could have said no, and finished it. Drivers like Lewis, Max, and notably Carlos Sainz have gone against the team's instruction in the past.
@@Wolfywolf7No he couldn't. In an interview he said his steering wheel told him "yellow flag" so he HAD to lift/slow down.
@@BryTee If he hadn't seen the yellow around the track, then he could have said no and finished the lap. Sometimes the race engineers miss things.
@@Wolfywolf7 But he said he saw it on his steering wheel, so immediately slowed per FIA rules. In the interview he said he thought it silly for people to say if there was/wasn't a flag, it came up on his steering wheel, and it's potentially dangerous to not immdfiately slow up, as well as trouble with FIA if you don't.
Then he got on the radio about it, so they said he might as well box since the time was blown by then anyway.
39:32 Nice to know Albon has turned into prime Alonso
Verstappen was horrendous this weekend, 25 seconds behind PEREZ on pace? Lmao
I wouldn't say Max was horrendous, but Checo drove an incredible race! His setup was nailed, and he made it work. Max minimized the damage with what he had, but yeah, he was not on Checo's pace this weekend, for a change.
@@Wolfywolf7
Max was running 7th with 2 laps to go, considering Hamilton and Norris started from the back, he really couldn’t do any worse
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Did you see how his car was behaving during the race? It looked even worse than Budapest, almost.
@@Wolfywolf7
No one cares about this when Perez is having a bad race (which is often)
But how many points did Perez score? That's the only thing the team care about. Don't get points for being ahead during a race. It's where you are across the finish line
Real ones saw the first upload.
Yea i was like "where did video go"
SHHHHHHHHHH
Is this one different?
I was gonna say WTF but thought it would be a little cheeky 😏
@@mattp1tommy We saw it mate 😂😂😂
I feel like the hulk rating is a little bit unfair. This one mistake shouldn't put him down so far. Especially if you rate perez and sainz so high who literally crashed and lost third and fourth because of that.
Not sure you can really blame Sainz for that collision though - I do agree its a racing incident but the chase car is the one with good visibility, and Perez had nearly all the width of the track - he could and should have left more space and that little touch is really all his fault.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 I don‘t think there is anyone to blame on the incident. Both could’ve done something else to avoid the crash but both drove in a way where can’t really blame them. I just wanted to have a comparison to hulkenberg.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 I agree Prerez should have - he needs to avoid collisions and actually bring home his first decent result in months.
@@slitzitv2875 Both could, but only Perez has really perfect visibility - the driver behind knows exactly where the other car is as he can actually see it. Where the driver ahead is having to rely on a relatively small mirror in which the other car may not even be visible at the moment they checked it, and while leaving 90% of the track on that side of the car the expectation is if you don't change direction they won't run into you...
@@looktothefuture84 I wonder if despite that performance they will axe him now - as that carelessness on what should have been a slam dunk justification of staying in the sport has really really cost the team. And judging by how well the rookies waiting for a shot in F1 perform in their first and second races in F1.
Can't blame Riccardo for the strategy call.
Btw. Hulk wasn't snoozing, he lost his front wing because of debris. I guess he didn't really stand a chance at the end there sadly
In fairness if you listen to Hulkenberg radio he thought a SC was coming out. Bearman still performed well regardless but i don't think they're being fair in that regard
British bias
@@stevenjoseph6048 Bearman should get a 10
They won’t know about everything that happens unfortunately
@@lostmind24 Honestly they should though. Especially for driver ratings. Once in a while it's ok. but they do miss out on context so many times.
For example. There's a comment which mentioned that Hamilton's car had a "wrong/misplaced" component which affected drivability pretty severely. That context matters in terms of a race
@@ichigobankai3591true. Hamilton and Russell should've got 8.4 (Hamilton) and 9.1 (Russell) respectively.
i wish some seats weren't occupied and young talents like colapinto had a chance in f1
You'll have Antonelli, Bearman, Doohan + Lawson in 2025. It's been a while since you had so many rookies enterring F1 all at once, can't complain much.
Maybe Sauber will sign him and not Zhou
@@BryTeesurely Zhou is already gone. It’ll most likely be Hulkenburg and Bottas
@@croissantpower problem is though, Zhou brings Chinese sponsorships. However, Colapinto would bring Argentinian cash. It's why I think Perez didn't get booted prior to his Baku performance turnaround: sponsors from Mexico ... I'm not sure how Horner will view the crash. A crash is a crash which Perez had the ability to avoid.
Back to Sauber, they are becoming Audi so maybe China/Argentina money doesn't matter.
@@BryTee and Sargent probably had American sponsorships but drivers performing badly don’t stay even if they bring in money
You guys can’t say “nobody watches races” then give Lewis a 5. The car was completely screwed in setup and he was starting from the pitlane on a hard to pass track. The Williams was fast enough to hold up frontrunners before Albon pit, how could Lewis finish ahead of them with that car? He maximized.
Exactly even lando in the fastest car couldn’t get past him that had to wait until he pitted to start going at their normal pace there was no way Lewis in a slower car was getting pass.
Zhou finished 3 places higher than he started due to 4 others retiring....
Wheeeeeel knowledge is their answer
Average ratings after Baku:
Matt rating: Avg
1. Franco Colapinto 9,00
2. Oliver Bearman 9,00
3. Max Verstappen 8,69
4. Lando Norris 8,35
5. Oscar Piastri 8,24
6. Charles Leclerc 8,00
7. Carlos Sainz 7,63
8. George Russell 7,41
9. Lewis Hamilton 7,24
10. Nico Hulkenberg 7,00
11. Fernando Alonso 6,76
12. Yuki Tsunoda 6,65
13. Alex Albon 6,59
14. Pierre Gasly 6,50
15. Daniel Ricciardo 5,76
16. Esteban Ocon 5,71
17. Valtteri Bottas 5,53
18. Kevin Magnussen 5,50
19. Sergio Perez 5,18
20. Lance Stroll 4,82
21. Guanyu Zhou 4,65
22. Logan Sargeant 3,93
Tommy rating:
1. Oliver Bearman 9,50
2. Franco Colapinto 9,00
3. Max Verstappen 8,75
4. Oscar Piastri 8,41
5. Lando Norris 8,24
6. Charles Leclerc 8,06
7. Carlos Sainz 7,75
8. Lewis Hamilton 7,35
9. George Russell 7,35
10. Nico Hulkenberg 6,94
11. Fernando Alonso 6,82
12. Yuki Tsunoda 6,53
13. Alex Albon 6,53
14. Pierre Gasly 6,44
15. Esteban Ocon 5,88
16. Daniel Ricciardo 5,65
17. Valtteri Bottas 5,41
18. Kevin Magnussen 5,31
19. Sergio Perez 5,18
20. Lance Stroll 4,94
21. Guanyu Zhou 4,53
22. Logan Sargeant 4,00
Fan rating:
1. Franco Colapinto 9,00
2. Oliver Bearman 9,00
3. Lando Norris 8,53
4. Max Verstappen 8,41
5. Oscar Piastri 8,18
6. Charles Leclerc 7,76
7. Carlos Sainz 7,50
8. George Russell 7,35
9. Lewis Hamilton 7,12
10. Nico Hulkenberg 6,71
11. Alex Albon 6,47
12. Yuki Tsunoda 6,41
13. Fernando Alonso 6,24
14. Pierre Gasly 5,94
15. Kevin Magnussen 5,50
16. Daniel Ricciardo 5,47
17. Esteban Ocon 5,29
18. Valtteri Bottas 5,18
19. Sergio Perez 5,12
20. Lance Stroll 4,82
21. Guanyu Zhou 4,41
22. Logan Sargeant 4,20
You can see the fans are biased if Lando is ahead of Verstappen in the average ratings. Lando has had the best car since Miami and he´s won only twice. Max almost always wins in the best car.
@@norbertjanssen814omg shut up with the bias bullshit😭 it’s just their opinions man
@@Miniduck9013 Yeah and i'm allowed to give my opinion as well. Which is also biased in some way. But the Lando vs Verstappen one is very clearly and obviously warped in Lando's favour while he has not even been close to the level of drivers like Verstappen, Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel or Schumacher. Real champions who dominate when they get the fastest car. Piastri will be the better driver, he just lacks experience.
@@norbertjanssen814 but ya don’t gotta be a dick about it….😁
@@Miniduck9013 I'm being a dick about it? English is not my native language. I'm just giving my opinion and trying to build up that opinion with arguments. People who get offended by this must be very sensitive.
5:06 Started 17th, finished 14th! With 4 DNF’s behind him. So he net lost a spot. 7 maybe on a “Zhou” scale - pretty good for him. But he’s not a rookie in his second race. “Stayed on the lead lap” isn’t a stunning achievement. No way his objective performance, “reasonable”, was a 7. “Great tire management “ because he’s too slow to wear them.
Seems like a nice guy but he isn’t F1 level. Another one taking up a seat.
beat the 2019 baku gp winner. He is in the worst car on the grid.
@@Viktorontozhou and bottas had completely different setups to help sauber figure out what was wrong with the car. Considering Bottas did better in qualy by a bit I'd assume one was qualy setup one was race
@@frantot1674 He did better in quali, but did Zhou even have a quali?
His whole objective was to tow Bottas, and he wasn't really able to get an actual lap in.
Sauber only stayed on the lead lap for 5 times this season in total, about 1/6 possibility for each driver to achieve this in a weekend. Considering the car, it is stunning to have this achievement
I would like to extend a formal apology to Matt and Tommy. I’ve left comments disagreeing with ratings a couple of times but after seeing how the fans vote I am disgusted. Giving Ocon and Gasly both a 5 is hilarious and I would support moving the driver ratings back to a dictatorship because democracy is not working out
Even as Ocon's biggest fan in reality it should be Gasly 7 Ocon 4, but Alpine are sabotaging him
6 is too nice for Max. You would absolutely smash Perez if he did the same job
4 is fair
Exactly, the excuses of “the car is so bad” when Perez could’ve won that race had Lando not held him back.
Nah it was just Max making the car look bad in Baku.
if the roles were reversed, perez would be out of Q1 and fighting ricciardo for p14
Indeed, looking at how well Perez was performing and with no collisions/damage to excuse some loss of performance Max should be getting a 1, maybe a 3 at best. They had a car to just about fight for the win this time, and Max was desperately trying to barely cling on to the tail end points... By far the weakest performance of any driver on the grid...
6 is hilarious, Max was absolutely pathetic this weekend lol
nah you cant say with max "for where the car is" when you have Perez fighting for what could have been a win in the same car. The car isn't the quickest, think the Ferrari was in Baku but max should have been up there. Anyways this makes for the rest of the season to be even more exciting and great video again
i mean to be fair to max the setup on both cars was very different, they tried something different on max’s and it obviously didnt work, i mean the car didnt have four wheels on the ground at some points. i think if they get the setups right in singapore then we should see a much better performance but then again, it’s singapore
Normally I would agree with you, but nope, they running different setups
he was, check free practise. They just changed something in setup after fp3 that didnt work out
To be fair. Max actually finished the race
Another week another bunch of excuses for Tsunoda finishing at the back!!
literally didnt finsh the race and gets a 6...
Zhou's score didn't deserve more than 5, there was nothing remarkable in the drive and, only by the team, ended up ahead of Botas as for most of the race Botas was ahead.
Zhou was ahead for most of the second stint. Did we watch different races?
Tommy spinning in the intro was not what I expected but it’s not unwelcome 😂
Been inspired by the F1 pit lane camera spinney thing
@@09juliancarr Oh yeah that’s a thing.
But I don’t think they were inspired by it. Most likely they just thought that it was funny and that’s all. 😃
I don’t get this idea that Lando shouldn’t have slowed down on qualy. It’s a street circuit, he didn’t know what was after the next corner. What if there was a car parked in the middle of the track? Or someone crossing the track? Yellow flags are there for a reason.
Because imagine the clicks and engagement if someone had died!
Yeah, I really don't get marking him down for literally following the rules.
Cola gets a 10 for finishing P8.
Albon gets a 9 for having a fan stuck to his car in Quali, and finishing P7
I felt like if he had beaten Alonso for p6, he would have gotten the 10
I feel you. Nothing against Franco, he did well, but Matt and Tommy are biased against Albon. Albon has become so reliable and consistently competent that he always gets lower grades by default.
Don't you think the amount of experience counts on their ratings????
They are always rated against expectations dude... A rookie in his second race in a track that he's never ran before is expected to be miles off a 5 year veteran considered to be seriously talented
@@jasonhenry9440 yes, but if you use that logic for Franco, he should be at 8. (or 9 if you give him an extra score for being a rookie)
I've got a nitpick here - You said twice, for Zhou and Gasly that when no one retires anymore ya can't get points - except 4 people did retire this race. Forget the 'classified' BS, Tsunoda and Stroll both retired in the pits, and obviously Checo and Sainz did not finish the race - it's just wrong to say, about this race, that 'no one retires anymore'.
daniel 5 out of 10 after managing 50 laps on hards and managing graining tyres? and esteban 4 after starting pitlane? but zhou guanyu gets 7 for doing nothing, and gasly 8 for what??
He had sauberr behind him. He is also competing for red bull seat lmao. 3/10 would be more appropriate
@@pitch7288 did you miss the part where he's driving the 9th fastest car and had graining that cost him 3-4s per lap???
13th in the race, 16th in quali 😂😂😂
@@pitch7288tbf, the rb car has fallen off a cliff now, they were 9th fastest car this weekend
@@Tom-rs3ik with the 9th best car, after they let him do his final lap too early while everyone else benefited from track evolution. pay attention
As other comments said, Lewis was fighting the car and had to lift and coast pretty much the whole race. The comms were pretty telling on this.
Yep. George had a better grip of things this weekend.
@@Wolfywolf7nah, George had actual grip from his tyres bc he doesn’t have the experimental setup that gave Lewis an undeliverable car.
@@ViperousArc Back to the "different setup" arguments, it seems.🥶
32:27 Tommy, as an Alonso fan, have you watched Lewis's onboards? He had to drive that car in a almost Alonso esq in 2005 to warm those Michelin's tyres, forcing understeer from the fronts bc when he tried to ease into the steering lock his rear would snap. Lewis was lifting through that flat out chicane before the pits because whatever they changed into that car made the rear dead.
Hamilton's onboards looked quite shaky.
And with that I'm reminded 2005 was almost 20 years ago 😄
this is so real
Yeah but it’s Lewis and they regard him differently
Hulk hit the debris (from the sainz/perez crash) with his front wing is the reason he lost out to hamilton and bearman at the end.
His race engineer said "keep right" ... he did keep right but there was a massive piece of someones car. Sun didn't help either. super unlucky imo
I'd have given a 5 to Verstappen. He finished behind Norris who started 10 positions back, and besides Hamilton he's been last of Formula A.
Norris should have honestly finished farther ahead of Max, given the pace difference of those cars. The only thing I would downgrade about Max's weekend is being outperformed by Checo, but other than that, it was yet more damage limitation.
30:55 it's not a slight setup difference tho?Lewis Hamilton said that a component on his car “wasn’t correctly built” leading to his lack of performance,why do you guys just ignore this,Toto said this too,lewis was shafted this race,he was fighting that car.
Tommy and Matt routinely miss out on post race briefings on cars and drivers. It is a recurring problem
Interesting I'd missed that one too, though even without knowing I thought he did alright. Neither Merc was really performing well.
I think they were a bit harsh with Lewis. it wasn't his best drive but every onboard showed him fighting the car in ways i've haven't seen in a long time. He's frantically sawing at the wheel to make corner. Overtaking was hard for everyone there. The only reason i feel that Lando ended up so high is that he started on the Hard tire and just outlasted everyone that was on the medium. Lewis started on the medium which wasn't a particularly good race tire and went to the hard. I think he deserved a 6 for the weekend. He was there or there abouts until they did the engine change. I suspect if he starts up where he qualified, he'd have been either on the podium or just barely behind George. He has been the better driver for race pace for quite a while now.
@@066kshitizvsingh4 I think to call it a 'problem' is a bit much. They obviously have lots on, I would relax a bit its just a youtube video
@@foldionepapyrus3441Merc is in downtrend over the last few races in fact.
tsunoda 0-1, it was his fault. Stroll may be shit, but he has right to space. When piastri is ahead on the outside in monza he is reckless and stupid, but when yuki "i turn now, good luck everybody else" Tsunoda does it more agressively, somehow it is stroll who is reckless and stupid-but he is on the inside.
Yea, not a Stroll fan either but they both got that rating wrong.
If tsunoda made that move on the inside, stroll would still be blamed by it, by saying he didn’t look in his mirrors. That was on tsunoda mates, stroll front wheel was in front of tsunoda rear wheel and tsunoda moved like it was nobody there. Stroll has his fair share of dumb moves but this one wasn’t on him. Tsunoda ruined both of their races…
It was still the window licker's fault though
The rule is that the driver on the inside has to have his front wheel axle at least alongside the mirror of the other car, no later than the apex of the corner. However, you're correct in that the situations have been reversed in a number of occasions and Stroll has been blamed just because it was Stroll.
It's just tradition for future teammates.
Did I just find a Lethalwalou burner account?
real ones saw the 3:56 version of this
what was in there?
@@edoardogodone2034 It was just a short sponsor segment, then they gave Ollie Bearman's rating
then it just cut off
@@QeQ5As it should have been
Tommy is such an Alonso fanboy he rated him twice 39:30 🤣
The way both of you have been pounding on Ricciardo whilst pretty much pampering Yuki. Its unbelievable how much glazing has been going on these last few videos. Ricciardo has been dragging the slowest car on the grid over the finish line whilst Yuki usually gets all the upgrades first and still bottles almost every race he’s in for points. Won’t bother finishing this video but I bet he’ll give Perez a 9 even though a crashed his car…again. And he’ll probably give charles a 9 even though he had the fastest car this weekend.
Even his own team handed him a contract prematurely, he's the most overrated driver on the grid by a mile.
your meme profile picture fits your comment perfectly.
Who's ahead in qualifying and points though? Ricciardo fans literally cling to any excuse for his performances cause they dig his personality. The fact of the matter is that with all his experience he should be well clear of Yuki and he isn't. He shouldn't get consolation prizes cause he's been doing slightly better than Yuki for a few races
@@k89941 he’s been outperforming Yuki ever since they fixed his broken Chassis. Yuki got lucky he got some points before teams started upgrading their car. Its also not a secret Daniel has not been getting the upgraded parts Yuki has been getting throughout the weekends.
@@TookMeAlongTime I appreciate you being civil about this. Really hard these days to have a normal back and forth. What about his average performances last year and his entire stint at McLaren? This is not some run of the mill driver. The guy is a multiple race winner but he has just been mediocre the past few years with a few outliers obviously.
Underneath Oscar's boyish charm and calm demeanour lies the heart of an axe-murderer 😁
Lewis got shafted by the team twice, first by messing up the components installation leading to the pit lane start and the 'experimental changes' which according to Toto it was worth it
And 5 was generous, he didn't even deserve points he was so bad.
@@Joshw93 I disagree, that 5 was horrendous. Mercedes was the 4th fastest car on racepace, McLaren 1st, Ferrari 2nd, Redbull 3rd and Mercedes 4th. Yes Lewis did not have a good race at all, but there are a few reasons for that. 1st he started from the pitlane, 2nd he had that "experimental" setup. The new setup was harsh on the tires causing excessive thermal degrading, which means the tires getting slower due to increase in internal core temperature. This means a tyre can have plenty of rubber left on it, but the lap times still drop off over time, this was even reported by Lando's engineer. Lewis had drive in a certain way to keep this effect in check and he even complained to Bono about it. 3rd They put him on the mediums which was a worse tire than hards and we can see how well it worked for Lando since he was able to overtake many cars and he went long which was the better strategy. Also what Matt and Tommy said he should have beaten formula B either way, Lando spent almost half the race behind the 2 Williams and he had the fastest car. Lewis had the 4th fastest car, with a shady setup, started from the pitlane and tbh both the Williams were fairly quick in Baku (especially since they now have 2 competent drivers). Anyway rant over, Lewis deserved a 7 in my opinion. He didn't do any thing exceptional I agree but it wasn't a bad performance, it was a pretty decent recovery drive.
By that logic, Max also got shafted.
The both of them were simply outperformed by their teammates this weekend.
i like how you left out the fact he had a new engine in the car which is an advantage around this track, also lewis has the last say when it comes to the setup on the car, he could've declined and said give me the same setup as george but clearly he thought there was a chance it could work so he ran it. If this experimental setup had worked for lewis and he finished really high up everyone would be saying he's a genius so its fair to lean the other way considering the end result.
Norris/Piastri and Ayumu/Shioriko all should've got 10/10. Those four drivers had a perfect race.
39:51 Alonsos name is twice :P Silly Sausages instead of Albon
39:40
Tommy loves Fernando so much he's gotten two 9's in the same race!
I think you're rating of Hamilton is a little bit harsh and you're talking about the gap between formula B and formula a you forget it's Baku so it's all about straight line speed and the William says always been faster in a straight line then most cars and he made up the same amount of places as Norris and you give Russell a rating of 8 and he done nothing except inherit 2 positions my rating would have been 7 anyway rant over enjoy your content follow you from WTF1 😂
Norris came through the pack perfectly fine. If there wasn’t that Lewis would’ve finished in 11th which is just trash. Five was the highest he deserved.
Apart from the British Bias we have rookies bias as well.
No way on earth Albon scores more points than Cola but you grade him lower and your argument is "Cola outqualified Albon while he was stuck with an Ice Cube machine over his head"
I'm liking Tommys checky little tash!
I recon Oscar made it clare to the media that he ignored orders to show that the plan to back Lando if needed is indeed something he agrees with!
I give both Mclaren drivers 10/10 for solid, impresive driving.
Indeed, bad luck in quali that could have happened to anybody and driven up the field, helped your teammate to the win, and even managed to overtake entirely on merit one of the 'real' F1 cars...
SUGGESTION for IMPROVEMENT: I think this would be more interesting from a ratings perspective if you "Force Rank" the drivers. In this system, you would give out Qty 2 of each rating. Example you would be required to give out: (2) 1s, (2) 2s, (2) 3s, (2) 4s ... etc. (20 9's, (2) 10's
Reason:
Statistically speaking, "Half of all drivers are below average in any given race." which means 1/2 of all drivers should receive a 5 or lower and 1/2 a 6 or higher. A force rank system compares all the drivers to each other and places them in order of best drives to least good drives.
Your current distributions are WAY too top heavy; awarding only (5) drivers (25%) a 5 or lower, awarding 25% of the field an 8, nearly another 25% of the field a 9 leaving your distributions skewed in a way that just can't be correct. What you are effectively saying with the current distribution is that over 60% of the field was "superior", 25%, was average and 15% had a poor drive.
Observation:
1) I think that there is a predisposition to ranking forgettable drives as a 5.
2) You are also ranking drivers high that don't finish races. No drive should be considered amazing when a driver doesn't finish. The basis of racing is to cross the finish line. If you drive in 1st place the entire race with a crap car but crash on the last lap... that is a bad race, even if it isn't your fault. As a driver you are in the wrong place at the wrong time and you get paid millions to not be there.
Proposed approach:
Take the team ranking for a driver (Example: 5th place for the team in this example) The car driver combo would be expected to finish 10th & 11th. If a driver finishes 10th the BEST score they should get is a 5. That is an average drive for that car. If they finish above, they should be rewarded but still force ranked.
Just my 2 cents. Love the show, like what you're doing, but your rankings make no sense to me. They are producing statistically improbable outcomes week after week.
I wasn't sold on Tommy, joined the channel came for Matt, now Tommy is my favorite.
Not aware of Lewis situation this weekend? I don’t see how you can judge his performance like this when he has a broken part built on his car for qualifying which is a hindrance, then turned into a experiment for the race which Toto said was worth it? Watch some on boards maybe of George and Lewis drive. For a simple left turn into turn 1 see how simple it was for George and how Lewis had to drive the car.
They hella biased, and the others had a problem with overtaking Albon on much older tyres, and if I am not wrong they were Hards. They are hardly objective
@@ritwiksen868hardly objective and also don’t do their due dilligence with regards to what happened with each driver during the race/weekend. i don’t blame them but it is what it is
Calm down, this series is just a bit of fun. It doesn't need to have bloody citations and fact checks on it, cus it's a fun online video series not an academic paper.
Tommy is so funny in the intro 😂👍
I'm not saying that Colapinto is a bad driver. It's just that Logan Sargeant was THAT Bad
colapinto was on pace with alex the whole weekend. So in his second race ever he is at a 5 years f1 veteran level. Not bad. It´s not really that he is better than Sargeant, he actually is a really good driver.
Why is it that when russell does well people want to make excuses for lewis but when lewis does well he gets praised. Maybe this race is not a great example but in general
Russell deserves his praises for this season. Hamiltons race pace is godly so when he struggles there must be an issue..
Bearman is probably the only driver to have scored points with two different constructors in a single season while not being full time.
I don't know for certain, but its indeed incredible
Vettel 2007 comes to mind
@@Duval-In-The-Wall wasn't Vettel full time in Torro Rosso as Speed was fired ?
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Yeah, kind of like Colapinto is for the end of this season, but he only ran 8 races IIRC
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Colopinto is also slightly different as he isn't contracted for 2025 season due to Sainz, while Vettel came as a placeholder and became permanent for 2008 when Torro Rosso realised he was real deal.
just my 2 cents on zhou: "people dont retire anymore", also 4 drivers DNF so worst position was 16th. he had literally 2 guys behind him 1 was his own teammate in the same car and the other was in an alpine and started last. as we all know alpine isnt rlly blessed with a strong motor at the moment. 5 points maybe 6 is all he deserves. for 7 points he should have at least be close to the other alpine which was half a minute in front.
"Lewis should have gotten through the pack", yet Lando was literally stuck behind the Williams for half the race and only got past when Albon pitted...
Not saying Lewis deserved a 10 for that drive, but a 5?
Like you guys said "oh, got no idea what he did in the race... 5"
Lando finished five places higher, and the McLaren wasn't clear of the field this weekend. Lewis just wasn't on form this weekend.
If Sainz and Perez didn't crash, he wasn't getting points. He was outqualified by Russell yet again, and was miles away from him on the road. It was a poor drive. Max should have also gotten a 5.
Horrible ratings again. The reason why Hulk got beaten is due to picking up damage from the Sainz/Perez incident, which allowed bearman to cruise by. Are you guys slow?
Your dropping the standards for Zhou
"He found the sweet spot with the set-up. His teammate didn't"
Max actually did, and then Red Bull changed it. Because it's a team run by window lickers
Talk about not watching the race the amount of correction Lewis had to do on that car, almost any other driver would have been in the wall. Lando went up 11 places in the fastest car and gets and 8, Lewis went up 10 places and gets a 5. Yr bias is showing. Perez and Sainz didn't score any points, were not smart enough to avoid the incident and got an 8. SMH
I love this series. Great way to reflect on each driver’s race. 👍
5 for Lewis? As you said for Zhou, did you actually watch the race? From last to points is worth a 7 at last.
nah
Lol... this is as funny as is pathetic
Nah don’t bin off driver ratings! When I miss the race (which is quite often these days) it’s actually one of the best bits of informative content out there! Race reviews can only be so long and tend to focus on the most talked about points, similar to the F1 highlights. Having a driver by driver breakdown of the race provides a really clear picture of what happened, so I’m eternally grateful for these! Please don’t stop!
Interesting fact hulkenberg has been fired from F1 twice and on his 3rd run. And has still done 8000 races 😂😂
Love how Mat and Tommy acknowledged that we like the funky intros so they keep doing them and making them a bit funkier every time
Please keep doing these driver ratings videos - I like how they draw attention to drivers whose races might have gone completely unnoticed and appreciate good drives from Formula B even though they might not get many points. Don't let the internet haters make you stop as some people will just hate on anything for no reason.
Nine for Alonso is ridiculous. The fact that he got any points was pure luck. He was actually slower than Stroll in Q1 and would have been eliminated in that session if not for Norris' "yellow flag" issue. Even Alonso couldn't explain his improvement in Q2, so again it was pure luck. Then he received a lucky grid place bump due to Hamilton starting from the pit lane. In the race, he was gifted two places due to the Sainz-Perez crash, Yet, he finished 8 seconds behind a struggling Verstappen and finished 49 seconds behind a driver who started 8 places behind him. It was a case where Alonso looked good because he was the driver that benefited the most from the combined misfortune of Norris, Hamilton, Perez and Sainz. In my opinion, his actual drive was pretty mediocre, more like a six.
Did you guys even watch the race?! Lando was a solid 9!! 😆
I think either an 8 or a 9 would be fair for lando, but the suggestion that he was partly at fault for going out in Q1 because he didn't ignore yellow flags was wild
@@ThreeStrikes90 He could have gone against what the team told him. Lewis and Max have done this many times before.
Find it odd that Tommy acknowledged that Albon didn't get a final Qually run because of the fan, but then uses that as a justification to downgrade him for being outqualified.
You realise Hulk got significant damage, right? He wasn't just "caught snoozing", what even?? Where is the context, guys?
22:18: Max said that at the 70th anniversary GP: this was the only chance and he's not gonna sit back like a grandma. The funny thing was, later in that year from the interview, he also revealed that his grandma is actually not a slow driver :)
I would love you guys to start a Tennis Podcast. That would be absolutely amazing
Sainz Perez incident was netcode
The incident between Sainz and Perez should deduct their driver rating by 4.
Oscar… Bwoah…
No way how Sainz gets 8 after this week. Should have been a 7 maximum considering the difference between his teammate and him and especially after What happened and how he lost some crucial points fot Ferrari in the constructors fight
If you don’t deem the incident as his fault, 8 for Sainz is sensible. He was right behind Charles when his race ended
@@agt2659 He was right behind because of big circumstances in his favour. Otherwise the gap If Charles wouldn't have been screwed again by the strategy and If he would've been in clean Air probably the gap would've been around 15-20 seconds
@@PetruStefan25 If, if, if...
Just rate what happened. It is what it is
@@augustofranklim5409its not ifs and buts, its actually what happened, he was close because charles and piastri were fighting at the front and charles was in dirty air for the whole second stint, so carlos wasnt close because he was faster or on pure pace, it was because the others were fighting, as simple as that
@@augustofranklim5409 Have you watched the Race? This is the truth, he came close only because Charles and Piastri were fighting and because Charles was in dirty air. On the mediums gaps between them was around 9-10 seconds which was like more than half of second per lap
Who else watched the 3 minute video?
Zhou dominance could bore fans
Actual street rules. Who had the last opportunity to avoid a crash? Perez.
I don`t really understand the Hamilton complaints, it is a 6 at best. Yes, he had a broken car for the race, but he got outqualified by Russel again, and you cannot really judge a driver based on what he could have done if the car was not broken.
Realistically what else could Oli have done? He beat his teammate in quali and the race, and got a point. Considering how fast the Williams was this weekend, the fact that he was able to get 1 point is massive. He deserved a 10
No mention that Gasly drove on the same tyres 50/51 laps, last of everyone to pit, during VSC, right before the checkered flag ... still came in 12th.
6 for yuki for completing 1 lap... 5 for Ric on doing a pretty good race, with terrible car and strat! And Matt has the audacity of calling the "fans scoring" outrageous for giving 5 to both Zhou and Bottas.... *facepalm This is just an opinion video, and it's ok to have your own opinion... but i can't see your biased logic
I think they take qualifying into account too. Yuki beat Danny and it wasn't his fault he retired, so I think it's not crazy to say that
@@andredetoni897 1 did a good quali, other did a good race... both 5 or 6 would be "reasonable" but this anti RIC biased has been like this for a long time in this channel. They have the right to their opinion... as do i... i still respect them for what they do, but can't find much logic in many many things they say
You do realise that the majority of the comments they make regarding "disagreements" are tongue in cheek? Matt was really joking about the score for Zhou.
They are not unbiased unfortunately but they think they are and that's the problem.
@@andredetoni897 except they rated daniel much lower in hungary when daniel beat yuki in qualifying and race pace and only finished behind yuki from strategy
I love this series! Please don't end it.
I think watching the race even Lando and Max couldn't get past Albon on much older tires and to slate Lewis for not being able to get past Albon too is not the best take considering he was much further behind at the start of the race to begin with. Baku wasn't the easiest track for anyone to pass this time around.
I feel like the best way to "not want to bin the series off" is to stop reading comments! I love this series. Its my favourite of the race week.
I find it difficult to use the comparison between start and finish positions as an absolute metric when Sainz and Perez crashed out. Yeah, it's the nature of motorsport, but Bearman starting 10th finishing 10th could be argued that that doesn't happen without the Sainz/Perez incident; it's relative. Bearman has a bright future, but I think additional perspective is necessary.
E.g. using that reasoning for Bottas but not Bearman.
The ratings are all over the places what is going on
The only thing Piastri got wrong all weekend was that he didn't say "not bad for a number 2 driver" over the line
Matt and Tommy your biases are showing. Some of these ratings lack perspective and a deep dive. You owe it to your fans but often, once its not a driver you like, u shit on them and treat them brutally. How the hell Lewis gets a 5. And then you guys choose to blame Lewis for a faulty car. When u spoke on Max you said "oh its the car he has to work with" but when it comes to Lewis u guys removed any reasons and say he should have been able to. Like he is Jesus, he should overcome this and that while Checo miles ahead fighting for podium. Miss me with that BS.
...yet several weekends ago, their biases were apparently reversed☠️
The F1 fandom has Joe Biden short term memory, I swear lol.
About Zhou and Gasly: the televise made them practically invisible.
Love driver ratings, would love to see you guys add a rating for the race so you can reflect at the end of the season and decide what the race of the season was
if it's lando aborting the lap that downgraded him, his engineer ordered him to box after the yellow flag... And had he finished the lap, he would have been ordered to the stewards and explain why he set a faster lap when he had a yellow flag
Not necessarily, as long as the data shows he slowed down enough during the fast lap it's usually okay, but considering it's on a straight and a blind corner ahead of ocon (because the yellow from his view may not have been for ocon) you'd be silly to hardly lift off
The criticism that he should of just lifted a little or not lifted through a yellow flag is insane. Also if it was in any other place he might of been fine but having to lift down the pit straight costs so much time.
I give drivers a 6 when they have a slightly above average to above avg performance. To give Max as high as a 6 would be unfair to Sergio for all the times we gave him very poor driver ratings cuz of the repeated “his teammate was able to put it at the front of the pack.” Max really underperformed compared to his teammate
That move by Oscar wouldn't have happened if it wasn't hard to pass oddly enough.
That 5 for Lewis was horrendous. Mercedes was the 4th fastest car on racepace, McLaren 1st, Ferrari 2nd, Redbull 3rd and Mercedes 4th. Yes Lewis did not have a good race at all, but there are a few reasons for that. 1st he started from the pitlane, 2nd he had that "experimental" setup. The new setup was harsh on the tires causing excessive thermal degrading, which means the tires getting slower due to increase in internal core temperature. This means a tyre can have plenty of rubber left on it, but the lap times still drop off over time, this was even reported by Lando's engineer. Lewis had drive in a certain way to keep this effect in check and he even complained to Bono about it. 3rd They put him on the mediums which was a worse tire than hards and we can see how well it worked for Lando since he was able to overtake many cars and he went long which was the better strategy. Also what Matt and Tommy said he should have beaten formula B either way, Lando spent almost half the race behind the 2 Williams and he had the fastest car. Lewis had the 4th fastest car, with a shady setup, started from the pitlane and tbh both the Williams were fairly quick in Baku (especially since they now have 2 competent drivers). Anyway rant over, Lewis deserved a 7 in my opinion. He didn't do any thing exceptional I agree but it wasn't a bad performance, it was a pretty decent recovery drive. No hate to you guys I absolutely love your content but I just felt like I had to point this out.
Engineer says: bed the tyres in
Piastri: ok, clean air is king, & overtakes Leclerc
Have u heard Toto's fishy interview. When Charles says something it's true for this guys but when it's Lewis, u don't want to believe. Absolute haters.
🔥 4 way title fight for the last race?
Thanks for the content look forward to Singapore Predictions 🔥
I know Matt called this but how dose lando not get a 10 out of ten? First of even with his mistake he whould have made it though q1 but the yellow flag ruined everything. Then he slows down parez making piastris win easier. Not saying lando won ocser that racebut he did help. He then pushes Russell in to verstappens race. Gaps both with two seconds and then beats max on track with no safety car help. He does get two free positions but I don't see what he can have done better. Jesus I sound like a Norris fan