I absolutely love the idea of a microLED video wall. It's just that the tech isn't there yet for competitive pricing with the rest of the consumer video world. I love the look. I love it's capability. I don't love the center channel issue that it shares with tvs. I can't wait for the video wall segment to come down in price because I would absolutely jump on it. But for now, my current plan is madVR Core, with the new Epson QB1000, and a roll-down Phantom HALR AT screen from Stewart. Still not cheap obviously but incredible price for the 140" setup I'm saving for vs the video wall.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude No, thank you! But I appreciate you, man! My madVR Core is already on pre-order but maybe I'll come back to you when I'm ready to order the projector and screen.
I dunno, $50 grand may be affordable to some people, but to me that's still wildly out of my price ballpark. I have 120 inch in a nice Epson UST and a CLR and that set me back about $4 grand. Is it as good? Not really, that 21:9 setup there is exactly what I'd want. But I can put one of these systems in every room in my house and pay less than $50 grand and it does still look spectacular. The price needs to come down by an order of magnitude or very nearly.
Curious to see how LCR's are handled. I have an AT screen right now and would never want to go back to a horizontal center channel under the screen. I've heard of some companies making center that mount in the floor and reflect off the screen.
@@jaychannel8558 the 136 is 0.7 v-shift and 163 is 0.9 v-shift which is a type of virtual pixel. We split the rgbs to achieve 4K so the pixels are closer and more economical
@@jaychannel8558 4K with our v-shift pixels which are 0.7 at 136 and 0.9 and 163. It’s a different type of pixel that splits the rgb into separates. Allows for getting them closer and less costly
That dude is out of his mind, you can pick up a 136" Micro LED for an "Acceptable rate" of $50,000 USD. You also need an electrician to put in the properly wiring, so you need to calculate that cost in as well. Probably will cost more for just the electrician then a 100" TV would cost with no electrician . To each their own, but calling the price an "acceptable rate" is mendacious at worst and obfuscation at best. again, either is bad business.
I can buy a Samsung/Sony 100" for $5-6k (Hisense for around $3k). These micro walls are very nice, but in order to get to widespread adoption, the prices are going to have to come down by half again. I might consider one closer to $20k, not $50k.
"affordable" 25,000$ projector ? no problem it's affordable . 15,000$ for MadVR ? affordable , buy 8TB of storage for Kscap for 9999$ ? affordable .. This field is dying since new people cannot join the party ..
@@Lior1973 affordable is not the right word. That means so many different things to different people. I think our new Ledge does make MicroLED more accessible though!
Didn't hear anything about brightness or or pixle count and never heard anything about "projected/expected price". Sounds very sketchy to me. If they want to introduce the product but give no info I'm not going to consider them at all, seems like some scam item.
@@brianr101010 it’s a show and we were very busy, but we could have done a lot better hitting the details in this video for sure. 👍 but happy to answer your questions here! Preliminary pricing is $50k for the 136 and $70k for the 163”. 1,000 nits
@@Tulipo08 yeah I don’t use the word “affordable” on any tech really. It means so many different things to different people. It’s definitely more accessible than MicroLED has been yet
@@Tulipo08 for reference a 135 1.2 pitch currently in the market goes for 94,000 and up. Sonys at the show was a 135 cled and was 275,000. So yes, affordable for what these are is definitely a breakthrough. Nothing is ever free and by no means is this a right for anyone to own. Comparatively prices are finally going in the right direction.
The price is "Acceptable rate" or $50,000 USD starting price for a 136". You will also need an electrician to run the necessary wiring. This is really a commercial product. Can u install it in your home, sure. Does it make sense, NO. Unless you have millions sitting around in your bank, this is not an "Acceptable" purchase.
@@cbmore28 YES I would have. They NEVER said the price at all. not in the beginning or end. So your question doesnt really make sense in this context. But I still would have watched the video, just wish they were upfront with the pricing. I think it's fair to say, he made it seem like the pricing was actually affordable (like under $10K). "Acceptable rate" staring off at a cool $50,000.00 USD and goes up from there.
I imagine if a cheaper version of the hardware panels come out and an open sourced solution for processing it, it could be doable, but 50k is not affordable 99% of the world (consumer). Businesses, different story.
Because it’s tv technology put into small panels to make any size screen you want, they can put a stupid price mark up on it. 10 to 20 years time, the wall will be the price of a high end projector, and get cheaper like Led TV’s, even OLED TV’s are getting cheaper now, but not so much for the big name techs, Sony, Samsung,LG etc.
The price mark up is due to the high cost of manufacturing and install. The modular nature is not why the maturity of this technology is highly anticipated by video purists and home theater enthusiasts. It's the OLED level blacks without the image degradation, brightness issues, as well as near instant pixel response times for gamers, etc. Like QDEL, MicroLED has the potential to be "endgame" level TV tech.
It's so ugly and shameful that people are complaning about price with this kind of product, It's like complaning about the Rolls Royce Spectre price, It's mediocre. You want the best you have to pay for It. Instead of complaining about the princing why not work harder, become successful ? Nothing is overpriced, is YOU that don't have the money afford.
I'm with you partly. Complaining about the high price of premium products is definitely bizarre, I'll grant you that. There are certainly non-premium products that are overpriced though haha
There is a large enough market that Wall TV's have a demand. For those who cant afford.... this gives you an Idea that alot of people have waaaaay more m9ney then you 😂
Staring prices at $50,000 USD is a very "Acceptable rate"? How is this man defining "Acceptable rate"? At $366 per inch, the word "Acceptable" doesn't make sense. Acceptable means: able to be agreed on; suitable. So this is a "suitable rate"? Who is it "suitable" for? Or we can use your clever marketing term "Acceptable rate". Instead of using marketing tricks and gimmicks, why not just compare Lunar's prices to Samsung or Sony? Id rather pay more then be tricked by marketing terms.
@ThatHomeTheaterDude I expected the price to be more. My comment had nothing to with the price. My comment had to do with his wording. Your channel is great, by the way, you do better when you talk and share your knowledge, I've learned a lot from your videos.
Look at the comments. This kind of thing is a growing stink in the av industry, ridiculous prices for unfinished products, and arguing and talking past clients. This tech should be 16k resolution or better since it is modular. 4k is DOA at large screen size over 120 and even more so at $50,000 for glorified led strips. A 1x2 foot or so led panel is 50 bucks TOPS to make, and chaining them not much more. The comments here show an overwhelming amount of resentment, and brand baggage is becoming a big thing now. Look at the pounding Samsung {selling 5k projectors and paying their workers 200 bucks a month--1800 such workers making 30% of Samsung revenue striking in India now} and Sony with $300 million game cancelled after a week, now ps5 being rejected due to overpriced nothing burger. These overpriced companies are treating customers like they are awfully stupid, telling them they are not the target market etc. Many people are making informal lists of who never to buy from again because of this. The phony high dollar stink has always been a plague to the av hobby since I first saw it in the 70's, it is a growing sickness now. Now if the 160 inch was under 5 thousand and 8k uhd it would enter the realm of honest pricing, right now how many non essential ppl are wetting their beaks with the other $65,000 ? Most ppl will get a nice 150 inch ust, save mid 6 figures and never look back.
Preliminary pricing on 136 is $50k and $70k on the 163
What do you mean by preliminary pricing? Is that frame cost and then you add on the modules?
@@hockkyte no that would be all in pricing, preliminary means we haven’t made a final decision. We are working with our dealers to get feedback
@@justvideowallsyour strategy is to sell $60,000 TVs that have less than 4k definition?
Their definition of “affordable” is a lot different from mine😂😂.
Need to drop a “0”
I absolutely love the idea of a microLED video wall. It's just that the tech isn't there yet for competitive pricing with the rest of the consumer video world. I love the look. I love it's capability. I don't love the center channel issue that it shares with tvs. I can't wait for the video wall segment to come down in price because I would absolutely jump on it. But for now, my current plan is madVR Core, with the new Epson QB1000, and a roll-down Phantom HALR AT screen from Stewart. Still not cheap obviously but incredible price for the 140" setup I'm saving for vs the video wall.
@@MyFatherLoves sounds like you have a plan. Can you give me a call so i can help you with the equipment?
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude No, thank you! But I appreciate you, man! My madVR Core is already on pre-order but maybe I'll come back to you when I'm ready to order the projector and screen.
I dunno, $50 grand may be affordable to some people, but to me that's still wildly out of my price ballpark. I have 120 inch in a nice Epson UST and a CLR and that set me back about $4 grand. Is it as good? Not really, that 21:9 setup there is exactly what I'd want. But I can put one of these systems in every room in my house and pay less than $50 grand and it does still look spectacular. The price needs to come down by an order of magnitude or very nearly.
Curious to see how LCR's are handled. I have an AT screen right now and would never want to go back to a horizontal center channel under the screen. I've heard of some companies making center that mount in the floor and reflect off the screen.
Did the manufacturer provide any type of price range on what they term an “affordable “ video wall?
Affordable for the millionaires, I think....
Preliminary pricing is $50k for the 136 and $70k for the 163
@@justvideowallswhat pitch? 4K? At that pricing.
@@jaychannel8558 the 136 is 0.7 v-shift and 163 is 0.9 v-shift which is a type of virtual pixel. We split the rgbs to achieve 4K so the pixels are closer and more economical
@@jaychannel8558 4K with our v-shift pixels which are 0.7 at 136 and 0.9 and 163. It’s a different type of pixel that splits the rgb into separates. Allows for getting them closer and less costly
Why is Tom Arnold yelling at me?
😂
That infinite viewing angle is amazing and no reflective glass front
Is the dynaudio speaker Opus One any good?
@@mohammedvachhiat4233 very. I was highly impressed. Outperforms bang and olufsen.
Surely you must be able to see the lines where the screen join
I think this is the best version. Low heat. No lines. Very cool
They're a lot better than they used to be. No lines, far less heat, still very expensive but the price is only 1/4 of what it could be.
that is what i want - pure perfection for me - cinephile...
Sir this is single display or modular tiles
Didn’t that guy used to work for screen innovations?
That dude is out of his mind, you can pick up a 136" Micro LED for an "Acceptable rate" of $50,000 USD. You also need an electrician to put in the properly wiring, so you need to calculate that cost in as well. Probably will cost more for just the electrician then a 100" TV would cost with no electrician . To each their own, but calling the price an "acceptable rate" is mendacious at worst and obfuscation at best. again, either is bad business.
@@michael-4k4000when you consider the price relative to other comparably spec’d options, it is indeed reasonable
Does he not? I thought this was a screen innovation brand
I can buy a Samsung/Sony 100" for $5-6k (Hisense for around $3k). These micro walls are very nice, but in order to get to widespread adoption, the prices are going to have to come down by half again. I might consider one closer to $20k, not $50k.
"affordable"
25,000$ projector ? no problem it's affordable .
15,000$ for MadVR ? affordable , buy 8TB of storage for Kscap for 9999$ ? affordable ..
This field is dying since new people cannot join the party ..
you forgot trinnov
@@Lior1973 affordable is not the right word. That means so many different things to different people. I think our new Ledge does make MicroLED more accessible though!
They need to be able to do a 150inch for 20k or less. Hopefully with time.
My offer is $1
Eleventeen dollars
What are the pixel pitch of these models?
@@stephenmcgauley 0.7 and 0.9 respectively. They are a vshift pixel that breaks the rgb apart to get them closer and less costly
@@justvideowalls thanks for the response!
Didn't hear anything about brightness or or pixle count and never heard anything about "projected/expected price". Sounds very sketchy to me. If they want to introduce the product but give no info I'm not going to consider them at all, seems like some scam item.
@@brianr101010 it’s a show and we were very busy, but we could have done a lot better hitting the details in this video for sure. 👍 but happy to answer your questions here! Preliminary pricing is $50k for the 136 and $70k for the 163”. 1,000 nits
we added pricing to the description. This world isnt out to get you man. Take it easy
That’s so f'ing cool.
It will shake the projectors world 😮
Comments are correct. Video title says affordable and then no mention of price. 👎
I’ll keep my 200in projector screen in my garage
@@byoungizzle no doubt my friend! You keep rocking whatever makes you happy 👍
@@justvideowalls and that’s the secret! Thanks for the response!
wtf is the price. what an utter waste of time.
Preliminary is $50k for the 136 LEDGE and $70k for the 163 LEDGE.
Expanse is all over the map but less expensive than a custom Just Video Walls line
So not yet “affordable.”
@@Tulipo08 yeah I don’t use the word “affordable” on any tech really. It means so many different things to different people. It’s definitely more accessible than MicroLED has been yet
@@Tulipo08 for reference a 135 1.2 pitch currently in the market goes for 94,000 and up. Sonys at the show was a 135 cled and was 275,000. So yes, affordable for what these are is definitely a breakthrough. Nothing is ever free and by no means is this a right for anyone to own. Comparatively prices are finally going in the right direction.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDudeAWALlL by AWOL Vision has better tech lower pitch and lower price with a Novastar processor built in.
Guile?
Is the same guy that used to sell projector screens?
No mention of price this video is a waste of time .
check the description
Would you have watched it if they told you the price first?
The price is "Acceptable rate" or $50,000 USD starting price for a 136". You will also need an electrician to run the necessary wiring. This is really a commercial product. Can u install it in your home, sure. Does it make sense, NO. Unless you have millions sitting around in your bank, this is not an "Acceptable" purchase.
@@cbmore28 YES I would have. They NEVER said the price at all. not in the beginning or end. So your question doesnt really make sense in this context. But I still would have watched the video, just wish they were upfront with the pricing. I think it's fair to say, he made it seem like the pricing was actually affordable (like under $10K). "Acceptable rate" staring off at a cool $50,000.00 USD and goes up from there.
@@michael-4k4000 it uses one power outlet same as a tv
I imagine if a cheaper version of the hardware panels come out and an open sourced solution for processing it, it could be doable, but 50k is not affordable 99% of the world (consumer). Businesses, different story.
Isn't this the Screen Innovations dude?
Because it’s tv technology put into small panels to make any size screen you want, they can put a stupid price mark up on it. 10 to 20 years time, the wall will be the price of a high end projector, and get cheaper like Led TV’s, even OLED TV’s are getting cheaper now, but not so much for the big name techs, Sony, Samsung,LG etc.
The price mark up is due to the high cost of manufacturing and install. The modular nature is not why the maturity of this technology is highly anticipated by video purists and home theater enthusiasts. It's the OLED level blacks without the image degradation, brightness issues, as well as near instant pixel response times for gamers, etc. Like QDEL, MicroLED has the potential to be "endgame" level TV tech.
$$$ ?
I’d pay $20,000 for the 160” version but not more
So I'm not a Google tv fan at all. I would require web os.
It's so ugly and shameful that people are complaning about price with this kind of product, It's like complaning about the Rolls Royce Spectre price, It's mediocre. You want the best you have to pay for It. Instead of complaining about the princing why not work harder, become successful ? Nothing is overpriced, is YOU that don't have the money afford.
I'm with you partly. Complaining about the high price of premium products is definitely bizarre, I'll grant you that. There are certainly non-premium products that are overpriced though haha
I’ll be able to afford it in 2039
“Very acceptable rate,” for who?
Not for consumers..... Businesses maybe
I mean, it may be for quite affluent consumers. But yeah, when the super affordable model is $50-75 large, eeeh.
eh the last wall is never 151inch i have an 160 inch screen and i am 6,5 foot , the screen is even higher than me and the with 3,5 meters....
@@marcoroelofsen it’s a 24:9 not a 16:9
There is a large enough market that Wall TV's have a demand. For those who cant afford.... this gives you an Idea that alot of people have waaaaay more m9ney then you 😂
I alway thought why dont they just make tv that connect like this. I would just charge $1,000 for this set up if it was me.
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Staring prices at $50,000 USD is a very "Acceptable rate"? How is this man defining "Acceptable rate"? At $366 per inch, the word "Acceptable" doesn't make sense. Acceptable means: able to be agreed on; suitable. So this is a "suitable rate"? Who is it "suitable" for? Or we can use your clever marketing term "Acceptable rate". Instead of using marketing tricks and gimmicks, why not just compare Lunar's prices to Samsung or Sony? Id rather pay more then be tricked by marketing terms.
@@michael-4k4000 dude. Are you ok? Youre expecting this to be priced as a costco tv ? Be realistic. Sometimes things cost more. Its not a big deal.
@ThatHomeTheaterDude I expected the price to be more. My comment had nothing to with the price. My comment had to do with his wording. Your channel is great, by the way, you do better when you talk and share your knowledge, I've learned a lot from your videos.
@@michael-4k4000 coolio. Thanks for the praise big fella. What are you looking dor content wise? I have plenty in store
So…. You connect 4 $800 tv’s together and charge $50,000? No thanks.
It's more like 4 65" $1,500-$2,000 OLED tvs but your point remains the same. It's waaaaaaay too expensive.
Look at the comments. This kind of thing is a growing stink in the av industry, ridiculous prices for unfinished products, and arguing and talking past clients. This tech should be 16k resolution or better since it is modular. 4k is DOA at large screen size over 120 and even more so at $50,000 for glorified led strips. A 1x2 foot or so led panel is 50 bucks TOPS to make, and chaining them not much more. The comments here show an overwhelming amount of resentment, and brand baggage is becoming a big thing now. Look at the pounding Samsung {selling 5k projectors and paying their workers 200 bucks a month--1800 such workers making 30% of Samsung revenue striking in India now} and Sony with $300 million game cancelled after a week, now ps5 being rejected due to overpriced nothing burger.
These overpriced companies are treating customers like they are awfully stupid, telling them they are not the target market etc. Many people are making informal lists of who never to buy from again because of this. The phony high dollar stink has always been a plague to the av hobby since I first saw it in the 70's, it is a growing sickness now. Now if the 160 inch was under 5 thousand and 8k uhd it would enter the realm of honest pricing, right now how many non essential ppl are wetting their beaks with the other $65,000 ? Most ppl will get a nice 150 inch ust, save mid 6 figures and never look back.
Trash
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