[MHR:S] Breaking Down Our Elemental Meta Skills | TU2
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Today I wanted to cover our rather shoe-horned elemental meta. People have been asking me why I have the same sets for bows and bowguns, and ultimately its because of armor skills that we can't get anywhere else, and how they all interact with our elemental bowgun and bow damage.
So I wanted to break down our armor skills that are just too good to pass up, and are downright OP when they're all mixed together. Many of these skills aren't explained super well in-game, and while I have covered them before, I think a refresher course is in order for those who may have missed it, or may just now be getting into the *good* setups.
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As a non-gunner (and relative newcomer to MH) I actually really appreciated this video. Sometimes when I'm watching build vids the narrator is just like "yeah we're including this skill because it's awesome guys". And that's nice but some of those skills I'm still unclear about why they're good. So thanks for the informative video. 😊
Build vids in general are pretty much just clickbait. Phemeto, Tidus69, Angbata, and Caoslayer are pretty much the only names among the MH UA-camrs that you can trust. Well, and JoCat, but he does funny stuff/tutorial-type funny stuff, not build vids.
@@ivaldi13 yeah very true. That's especially true in sunbreak. So many builds are extremely dependent on skills added through qurios crafting. So they throw off these big numbers and when I try to replicate that i get maybe half. Although I don't really like them qurios armor system in general.
@@timothydaggs7701 Yeah, just adding one two-point skill or two slots and some freebie like Flinch Free, Stun Res, or Speed Sharpening to each item is fine and dandy, but once the vids expect all of their viewers to be using the PC version and thus able to access ridiculous upgrades about which we Switch players can't even dream, it's pretty safe to tune them out and realize that they're just using the same armor pieces for their unique skills (shown here), just with excess, so you may as well learn it properly here.
In Monster Hunter 4, Weakness Exploit could slow down your attack animation recovery because you were doing "too much" damage.
I may be able to replicate the set and everything you talked about. But the skill you got? Hell no lol. That quick change into an exhaust shot to bring the flaming espinas down was nuts
The introduction of damage numbers fried my brain permanently. Now I'm just always chasing the next highest number....😞
Try turning off the damage numbers in the settings. I did so recently and honestly my enjoyment of the game has gone up. Now hunts are less about scrutinising my damage and actually just having fun again. It’s been good
@@Matt7R try telling a meth addict to just stop smoking meth, a coke addict to stop snorting.... I wish it was that easy...
I have always been like that. Which weapon has the biggest attack value, how much crit, how much element?
You see , it is ours addiction of seeing the highest number possible that player don't use wacky build in large number and the skill associated with them have been nerfed to the ground . In World i actually use secret free meal to chugging consumable to buff my GS damage , it weird .
I turned them off as soon as I say them in World, its immersion breaking.
I'm gonna assume risen Kushala and most likely Shagaru/Malzeno decos aren't gonna be lv. 1.
But if we got Daora Soul and Blood Rite as lv. 1 decos the immortal builds would be absurd.
Half of the level 1 decos (or rather, all of the damage ones) from Iceborne are level 2 decos in this game. To have any inkling that decent ED set bonuses will be less than level 2 is dreamy at best and delusional in general.
@@Idothinkysaurus Chameleos one is lvl 1. Unlikely for Teo and Daora's to be but not impossible.
@@nuke2099 I think to even fit them in a set worth using they'd have to be level 1, but I would still expect those ones (and especially something like Dragonheart) to be level 2.
@@Idothinkysaurus I imagine Capcom think to themselves “Ok, these unique Elder Dragon skill have been around for a while now; time to let the players have some fun!”
And for Teo/Kush; its not like we use nearly half a dozen 1 slots for Element Attack decos lol
So having them as 1 slots would work; that would mean that we may need to sacrifice a few 2/3 slots for the higher tier Element Attack decos which is fine by me
@@nuke2099 Honestly I was shocked Haze ended up being a level 1 deco but it's clear it got that treatment because it's poison and they have been heavily pushing poison builds this generation with venom being the only level 1 status build up deco.
12:46 I already utilise these skills in my CB sets...
it's surprising how much you can squeeze out of an armour piece with Qurious Crafting, my Kushala legs now have 4-2-1 slots and all I lost was the Normal/Rapid Fire Up skill (I'm a Blademaster, so that skill basically didn't exist to begin with lol)
and as for the Silver Los chest... mine has 4-4-2 slots! It's actually ridiculous how many slots I can squeeze into an armour set lol
This is so helpful it’s silly. I feel like Phem should be bigger than he is. His following deserves to be bigger. There’s no one who breaks down this stuff better
Doing 500 dmg per charge blade phial is balanced, trust.
But they also cant crit, so no WEX crit boost, or critical element, and have no raw scaling, which on one hand make it easier to build for, but also means it stays balanced, and it really is balanced based on dps tests ive done as a somewhat casual player, and the performance ive seen compared to other weapons in speedruns places it i think 3rd or 4th out of melee weapons (of course top 3 of all weapons is HBG bow and LBG of course) behind GS, SA, and SnS, placing it squarely in the middle at 7th place
@@RESUHT balanced? maybe as casual player. Elemental phials, dereliction and chain crit are broken af right now in rise due elemental exploit and 500 dmg per phial is just on the low side nowadays especially phials can now reach 700-800. GS cant be even compared to CB when done right, 700*5=3500 damage not including the slam attack from SAED will instantly melt monsters. Also, players that are decent with CB can tell you that most of the time they will have enough to pop off another SAED right after the first so that is about 7000+Damage just from SAED 'NOT' including the slam which can deal up to 600-800+.
The reason why you think it placed that low is because CB isn't for everyone and it solely depends on the monster just like how there will 'NEVER' be a weapon that can outdps a HBG elem pierce on diablo. Take violet mitzu for example, violet moves too much and popping off SAED is not easy but if you take something like a tigrex/gore/rathian that has some openings after certain attacks then CB cn easily outrank to 1st in terms of melee weapon.
My highest phial so far is 810 on shogun
@@OtoriDaisuke true, but there are many monsters where even the best element is just 'meh', and even impact saed outperforms it, where the phials only do ~180 tops. every weapon (as far as i can tell) has their matchups, and as far as i can tell, the other melee weapons i mentioned have far more 'excellent' matchups that cb cant quite match, if it can match at all
@@RESUHT idk what you are using but you need to look at your build. I have never hit below 300 ever since metal raths release unless its on same element. Like i said before, monsters have different matchups and there is no way some weapons can outperform them. CB is different, S&S mode/Axe mode is what make them versatile but it is not good enough to gain popularity amongst players because GS have big numbers, sns can stun, LS is weaboo hence lower speedruns done. On top of that, its not a weapon that anyone can just play effectively as it has a higher learning curve so doing speedrun on it is easier said than done.
Judging by ur previous post, as a casual player i bet you didnt know that monsters have hp thresholds where monsters fall/flinch after doing 'x' amount of dmg. CB have a harder time doing that unlike GS, LS, S&S and other melees making it more difficult to make a smoother run in speedruns as well.
Chain Crit/Burst is insanely strong for Swaxe. Phial bursts counts towards the hits needed to reach continuous bonus, so its fairly easy to trigger on ground combos and will be present in later ZSD phial ticks. And as you have put in the spreadsheet, Swaxe gains a lot for extra levels of chain crit. Swaxe scales badly with crit too so that's why when given the choice, elemental swaxe (which is a lot stronger than raw swaxe) will slot in more levels of chain crit over weakness exploit.
sneak attack is the only skill other than artillery to increase gunlance shell damage so that's p much the niche case I use it with
Gnl users:
It's not perfect, but we make do
weird fact about bloodlust, curing it with an Antidotebra full heals the health rather than only drained health
Holy shit, need to put it on my ”sniff them out”. Thanks for this tip
Elemental Meta is such a nice change of pace from having One raw set for every monster except for the one that forced elemental weapons
Basically the whole of iceborne lol. (Alatreon)
@@bang2goeezy496 the whole of the series. Its a breath of fresh air for sa to NOT be crit meta
The one question I have is this: is there a way to finish an inflicted hunt with elemental lbg without restocking? It's legit the only reason I stick to raw, I can't be bothered to go back to camp and restock mid hunt.
Spare Shot rng plays a big part of that, though that one's out of your control. If you wanna stretch out your damage more at the cost of your dps, using the Rapid Fire Pierce Ele LBGs can stretch out more total damage for a lower dps, increasing your chance of not having to restock. HBG has Setting Sun to help condense the pierce ticks to a hopefully better spot which effectively increases your damage
@@spoopyboi1882 so nothing that's really guaranteed to help... yeah I'll stick to raw since my pierce and spread builds just got a sizeable boost from the new decos
@@ohexenwahno5652 It really depends on your team and how well you’re using your ammo. If you’re just blasting away like raw without a care in the world then yeah you’ll run out of element in no time, but if you’re actually choosing your lineups wisely and position yourself to make the most out of your ammo then you can finish without restocking. If one other person is doing elemental gunning with you then you are definitely killing any afflicted without restocking.
If you’re still having to restock with the right conditions then either you’re wasting too much ammo hitting air or you are just doing less dmg than you should and need to rework your build
rapid fire Spare shot and charge shots really. element bow gunning is sorta tedious now tho with ammo limitation. a good idea is hunting with a buddy who can store extra shots for you then you can restock on site.
@@t.hokage9748 i don't miss often enough to say I'm wasting ammo, but if I don't shoot at max RoF, I might not run out of ammo, but my dps will suffer
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stormsoul decorations!
3:24 Burst/Chain Crit
7:14 Element Exploit
Defiance is just 3 worlds protection from frontier. A lot of these skills are actually just frontier skills reworked in some way oddly enough.
I actually shifted the Magna waist for Omnyo Wait from Purple mitzu, to get Adrenaline rush 3 paired with Lambent gloves, While keeping Dereliction 1 in the Shoes. I think this is now the strongest build, and you don't loose defense from Magna. Also paired with Bladescale as Quiro, you get more raw than using Magna. Dereliction lvl 1 vs 3 is not that big of a loss.
Which weapon you are using?
@@xxThemoritzxx of course Bow
I only use general purpose builds cuz i like to actually fight and dodge the monsters, if i ever use a elemental builds, ill go insane.
Maybe i'm remembering wrong but Wex and Burst were different in Generations. Wex increased attack instead of affinity iirc, and Burst was called Chain Crit and increased affinity instead of attack/element. So why was Wex/Crit boost meta in Generations if there was no synergy?
Really great, this applied to bow too
Depending on your Talisman or whatever, Silver Soul Waist is also really good for slapping Const 3 AND some extra Element damage. Less Defense with Tier 3 Dereliction is a gamble lol
the level 4 an 5 bonus from stormsoul make me think we probably won't get it as a deco
extremely insightful!
Lovely guide and which skills to die die use.
Bloodlust deco from Chaotic Gore? Capcom please!
Not necessarily for elemental but wex and ab (to ab4) are so stupidly strong also.
Ok i gotta question. in the Video you r shooting exhaust at mizu and espinas while they r jumping around and just one shot knocks them down. am i missing something? how does that work
Huh, I didn’t realize Adrenaline doesn’t work on counters. Dodgebolt op i guess
We’ll get our upgrade with Chaotic Gore Magala
What do you think about elemental mele weapons? They should basically use the same armour set as the gunners i suppose? At the level everyone is rn bloodlust shouldn't be an issue and for weapons like sns, db gs and ls as well as HH (almost) all the skills needed are in there
Most melee builds will keep the helm and the chest, but the gloves, waist and legs tend to get mixed around. This is because melee weapons tend to deal more raw damage, and will pick either Dereliction or Mail of Hellfire, rarely both. It's also dependent on how many other skills you need, since Gunlance or Charge Blade often need Artillery and Load Shells (sometimes Guard, Guard Up and Offensive Guard) which is more than you can fit with slots alone. Same goes for stamina-hungry weapons, like Dual Blades and (aerial) Insect Glaive, where Constitution/Marathon Runner 3 and Stamina Surge 2+ become almost required.
As such, not including speed runners, most people will usually grab Arc/Storge Helm and pair it with Dereliction 1 on the legs since 3-2-2 is amazing for flexibility, and can be upgraded to 4-3-2 pretty easily. People who don't like health drain will likely choose Mail of Hellfire, since Bloodlust + Dereliction is a lot of risk if you're not confident in your ability to dodge.
Can’t be me completely ignoring damage and making hyper tank poison builds.
I'm actually not sure if Kushala and teostra soul are gonna be on 1 slot decos. Since the rampage decos of those three also aren't the same slot level. And as you mentioned, 2 lvl 1 slots for 10% element feels kinda op. Not that op ever stopped Capcom :)
Weren't the s in sunrise increase from 4 to 6. Cause it definitely feels like iframing things is much easier.
Prob just everything being a lot faster. Thus you being able to use I frame moves more often and making them take up more of the animation.
Im new to LBG. Can someone link me a spreadsheet or something that showcases what the meta sets actually are? Ive been running a normal rapid fire pierce 2 build and its good, but these elemental builds seem like theyre a whole tier better lol
if i already have burst level 1, is it better to go burst 3 or agitator 2? (already have the main dmg boost skills maxed)
Does the adrenaline rush proc on wirestep?
Why do Bloodlust boost status bow fials?
How do I minimize the HUD like in the video?
Is a mod, you can find it in nexus
can anyone list what armor skills that trigger recuscitate other than bloodlust?
Bubbly Dance
DragonHeart
Hellfire
adrenaline rush works great for bow but seriously did they really need to buff bow even more lmao then again hbg is stupidly powerful so i guess
1:36 That right there is why I just take advice like in this video with a grain of salt. Why does no one mention that these are glass cannon builds? I don't think it always has to be about offense. Sometimes defensive builds can be pretty powerful in their own way. I have a build that's so versatile that I can nullify or greatly reduce most blights. Even Level 120 Espinas fireballs barely do any damage to me and I won't get fireblight, poisoned, nor paralyzed. Or no fireblight, poison, nor sleep from Basarios and so on. If you don't cart anyway because you don't really get hit much if at all then fine. But I see too many players with great offensive builds always in trouble and even carting on a regular basis.
Oh I forgot to mention that my defense is always between 910 and 955 to start the quest without spiribirds. My elemental resistances range from 35 to 50.
Edit: Now my defense is going up to over 1000 without spiribirds. I don't know when this happened and I feel dumb for not noticing but now we're able to armor sphere upgrade even further.
People tend to forgot that speedrunning isn't the only viable playstyle in Monster Hunter.
It's cool, yeah. I watch tons of speedruns and recognize how someone actually plan their hunt scripts to manually lockdown and torn apart monsters as fast as possible. Its almost like an art to me.
But sometimes, for casual hunting, slowing down your hunts by 1 or 2 more minutes while bringing the cart rate from 50% or something to 0% is also important too.
Because he is does speedruns? You don’t use defensive skills for speedruns. If you want quality of life you take a dps set know what are the most important skills that you should keep, then you start to see what can be replaced.
@@TheHoneyDuke But a casual looking for build suggestions isn't going to know that.
@@theinternetsightseer2935 collecting green spirit birds is going to give you more consistent survivability than any defense skills. It’s like world where the only defense skill worth getting was health boost 3. Devine blessing is nice but at that point you are leaving it up to luck if you survive an attack or not.
I played mhfu mh4u a little gu and a lot of world is sunbreak worth it?
I’ve only played World and Iceborn, but I’m loving Rise and Sunbreak. Admittedly, this may be because this is the first MH title I’ve gotten to play with my fiancé, so I might be a bit biased.
No.
Sunbreak is huge quality of life improvement. I love this game
You will never know untill you try it. I played every game in the series, after 400 hours of rise/sunbreak, I dont hate, but I also dont love it, I think its pretty 5/10 for me, 4U was my favorite game in the series. My first monster hunter was mh1 on ps2.
Agreed it’s not very addictive to me I’d give it a 6/10 I haven’t even been playing the new updates because they just don’t interest me whatsoever
Love you Phem Nice gameplay
You know I'd probably rather do something more off meta
Also, Flaming Espinas arms are great for gunners
Not for element since you’ll be sacrificing dereliction
@@t.hokage9748 yeah, but I don't run elemental lbg because of ammo shortage
@@ohexenwahno5652 if you’re with a decent team restocking is pretty uncommon. If you’re with other elemental gunners restocking is rare.
When hunting alone restocking is only a problem when you’re dealing with afflicted monsters that stay in one area. I feel as soon as monsters move to another area, restocking in the nearest camp doesn’t take much time off the hunt.
As someone who never played gunner it really seems like they have the game on easy mode. That’s just my impression tho