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Predator 420cc High Torque Engine Build
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- Today we do performance mods the long forgotten 420cc Predator off the Street Go Kart. We replace the valves and put some much needed performance parts in the small engine. Let us know what you think and don't forget to like, comment, share and subscribe for more build videos.
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This is extremely refreshing! I've been a mechanic, engine builder, hot rodder and go cart enthusiast for over 50 years, and I am shocked to see someone on you tube actually build an engine properly. With al the bad/wrong info out there today it is refreshing to watch someone do a build the RIGHT way. Very well done!!!
Hey Red, I just wanted to say thanks for the giveaway Tillotson carb. It is going on a new 212 for my son's yellow yerfdog gokart that was at the event. We had a blast meeting yall and riding. You guys were great! I'll have to watch this video tonight with the family but I just had to say thanks right now and a big THANK YOU for being a good sport when the MuchoCabre and Coolranch showed up at your tent. Have a great day!
Hey man. You're looking to build a high torque engine. Porting that head, having larger valves cut in and milling it down to raise compression is really the way to do it. The cam will help but airflow and higher compression are what really does it. Also when installing a longer duration cam, you typically need more compression to compensate for the lost cylinder pressure caused by more valve overlap. You can get online and look at automotive valve manufacturers like Manley, Ferrera, Milodin, or especially the import valve manufacturers. You can get really good one piece stainless steel valves relatively inexpensively. Have the machine shop cut your valve seats larger for the new valves and perform a 3 angle valvejob. I think you'll be surprised how little it will cost you to have these things done and the big, low end torque gains will completely be worth it!
Or just get a 4 valve OHC engine with EFI and watercooling.
Hey you got ties with gopower sports tell them to make a transmission for the those engines
Would it not be easier to find just the right kind of bike transmission and adapt it to work rather then trying to build a while new transmission from scratch? Just a thought
@@willspicer3190 maybe, depends on your bike.
@@willspicer3190 would require a lot of custom fabrication.
IDK.... You'll be lucky.! Trev NZ
Use a bike trans like a Honda C50 scooter 3 or 4 speed box & remove it's crankshaft & replace it with a toothed shaft - connect your engine with a chain
Goodluck Trev New Zealand
Thank you red beards garage just got done doing my 420 put in valve springs air intake rejeted it. took out the governor but the one thing I did was I did adjust my valve springs wrong when I watched your video it showed me what I did wrong and I was getting a knocking with my motor so I wanted to thank you very much your video helps me get my problem solved appreciate it
Thank you for watching man
Just stopping in to say how much I love your channel man, ive watched every vid several times, it even inspired my son and myself to start working on our own buggies. Hes 7 and loving it. Much appreciated.
I can't wait to see the build you have for the diesel engine!!! God Bless y'all!!!
You've EARNED 104k subscribers. You deserve more. Thank you for all the videos. Keep up the great work.
you need to upgrade to 35 lb valve springs when you remove the governor on these to prevent this kind of damage.
Every small engine has a counter balance flywheel. Every time the piston or pistons are at full compression right before combustion/ignition the flywheel has counter weights that are closer to other side of the engine and right by the starter on key start single cylinder and on v-twin engine just under or near the opposing cylinder which will help reduce vibration at high engine rpm a billet aluminum flywheel doesn’t have that feature and most if not all motorcycles engines use a similar concept but it’s done internally basically a small counter weight runs of a gear driven unit inside the engine the predator 420 engine has two of these systems only on the flywheel and one inside as well.
Do a video on how to install a 32mm mikuni carbeutor on a 420cc predator!! Please!!
Well I have been wanting that fab table,
You put the link in the description, I clicked, saw the price, now I’m not interested in the table no mo! Lol
$7,600 for a fab table. No thanks I’ll build my own.
Thanks Red, I love your stuff. I thank your wife as well cause I know she does a lot of behind the scenes stuff.
That almost makes my head hurt... if you’re in deep enough to need a 7,600$ fab table then it only makes sense to make your own lol
Another sweet build. Stay awesome RBG.
You need to start measuring your valve clearance to piston interference with dial indicators. You may only need .005 more clearance.
You said that the can is a "High Torque Marine Cam" does that mean it is from some "Marine" motor or it is for that motor but for Marine applications with a predator motor???
Im going to assume it's a mod for of yoi was going to run like a mudd skipper prop or something idk. As it brings torque down to a more useable range id say that's why.. So hes not just screaming tje little bitch around LOL
James...good point ,! Trev NZ
If you are looking for a good motor with a transmission a lifan 200cc 5 speed that will run 75 is bout 600 or a lifan 125cc for bout 400 their 4 speeds go bout 45
ARC now sells billet flywheels with the electric start ring gear
R R wait what?! Im building a flathead race engine i wanna buy that
But does it have battery charging as well.
@@rustybeatty6567 no they don't
@@alphamoto466 Yes they do! It has a stator that puts out over 12v at idle.
Hey red beard can you put the link to the 420 hemi valves you put the wrong link in. My 420 valves are have the same problem and i have been looking for valves all summer so if you can put a link some where that would be awesome thank you sir .
Probably not checking comments anymore but I thought grenading factory flywheel was almost a given when deleting the governor and adding more power? I would like to add electric start to my Honda GX270 but ARC doesn’t make an electric start version.
Have a question ordered 34 mm carb off Amazon nockoff mikini when floored it wants to die after 25-30% throttle do I need bigger main jet tried 125-130 didn't make a difference idk size in it isn't labeled
so you set your valve clearence only after the exaust valve makes that small release, when compression stroke ends?
I have a 420cc sumo rato 15hp engine and it says 3600 rpm is max, can this engine be safely rev'd over 3600 rpm? I see your engines are reving well over 5000 rpm.
Is the balance shaft absolutely needed? Can you make more power without it?
oh yeah a engine build just like the good ole days
Is there a certain rpm the stock rod & flywheel is good for? Like 5000rpm before they need to use the Billet parts?
yeah... I dont have a lot of expirence with predator engines but from my little expirence wihtout the govonor valve float accours arfter 500 so need stiffer springs we still maganged to get it up to 6400 RPMs withoout a rod breaking or flywheel exploding. so I would say keep it safe and limit yourself to 6000rpms if you dont have forged rods and flywheels
I was hoping to see if you used any sealer on your head gasket, or do you just put it on? Also head bolt torque settings? Perhaps you have a link to another video that you show this process? Awesome videos! Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the parts list, helps a bunch!
Stock push rods with 50 pound valve springs on 440cc duromax 18 hp?
Anthony = OK @ that spring #...Trev New Zealand
Getting my first mini bike tomorrow I’m pumped
To set valve lash you don't need the engine @TDC.
Rotate engine until exhaust is open and set the intake. Rotate until the intake is open and do the exhaust.
Ya it's just good a practice
Ryan Rohauer I don't see how.
If your intake is opening then you know the exhaust is fully seated and vise versa.
What is the max hp you can get from this engine, after all the necessary mods?
1-1.3hp per c.i. and your doing pretty well....like the 375hp 327ci OEM small block chev.Trev New Zealand 🤗🇳🇿
HELP! I'm in the process of building up a GX390 with governor delete and everything I read is to ditch the stock flywheel so it doesn't grenade. But I want to run lights, etc and no billet flywheel appears to be able to support charging. Any ideas? Keep the stock flywheel and just don't push redline?
Remember guys, if you remove the govenor, you need 35lb + valve springs as well.
I learned this the hard way. First outing I bent a valve, blew a seal and some chunk of casting out of the head. Caused some serious mayhem. I even had the HD springs sitting on my shelf. Expensive lesson.
35lb springs? cant you just remove the governor and itll be ok?
Love the channel. I’ve been going back and watching all your videos. I built my motor with this video as the source but I keep blowing side cover gaskets on it. Any insight as to how I can get the bolts to stop coming loose and not blow the gasket?
Vent the Crankcase to the atmosphere through a spiggot attached to a threaded hole in the top of your crankcase & feed it into the air filter box so the engine sucks back in its own fumes/crankcase pressure & put some superglue on the bolt threads... it's just uncoloured Loctite at about 1/10 th the price & glue the side Cover gasket with some RTV but you shouldn't need it with those mods.Trev New Zealand 🤗🇳🇿
Hey RBG, I have a predator 420 with a surface drive mud motor on my boat. Would a build like this be good to get some extra power out of mine. And how reliable would it be?
Brody....too unimportant to answer but yes it would,but keep your Cam Duration mild but the lift high & Clearances wide.Goodluck but a must is change out those Valvesprings.Trev New Zealand (south pacific)
Lap the 35mm valve really good it will work haha
What stroke should the exhaust valve be for the .005 adjustment?
Can i use 35 pound springs in my 420, if only removing the governor? The only other mods that I've done is the stage one kit. Thanks in advance.
Yes stock cam and no governor is 35lbs springs.
@@RedBeardsGarage Ty
Do you really need to put the balance shaft back in when you build the motor
I bet the alt kit for the 670 will bolt right up to the 420!
The valve been sneaking around with the piston on the side!!
Super excited to see that build
Can anyone explain how to wire up that second coil, and are there bigger & betters ones available for a more powerful setup? My 420 Predator Hemi from Harbor Freight comes with one coil (just like in this video) and so many of us want to add the second coil but don't know exactly what wire goes where. In the mean time I am lovin' this motor! I don't know how unrealistic this is but my goal is to be able to have my battery charge while running the motor and also be able to occasionally run my 36 watt LED headlights. Is there an even better way to generate more watts for heated gloves and stuff like that? I am having trouble finding tips on this sort of thing. Keep up the great work Red Beard!
Will these parts fit on a Honda gx340? Some say they do but I would like to know more awnser
That’s a mean motor!
I have a question about this duromax 440 engine. Would the engine run correctly if I put the Go Power Sports Predator 420 jet and air filter kit on the Doro Max 440 engine? I would take the governor out and have a header would everything work correctly? Would I need to take out the bouncing gear or need valve springs or anything else?
I need this for my cycle cart. I knew those valves weren't going to be right.
What were the specs on this camshaft? Did they ever offer it for sale?
Why not cut the seat for the valve, or re grind the valve for the exhaust seat angle, then it should fit, if the length and diameter is the same, it's a lot easier to grind a valve than the seat,
Thank you so much that answered so much for me
Where do you get a hemi 420cc head
What's the torque needed for the side cover gasket and everything else? Any help would be great! Thank you
I have a 440cc duromax on my 250 Chinese atv. It pulls hard
I wish I could afford to build sweet engine, definitely know who’s video I am watching if I ever get the chance too
What type of carb is that a knock off of ? I'm looking to upgrade to a similar one but not sure what's rated for 420cc 15hp
The new intro is awesome
sweet man, Have you ever grenaded a stock Rod on one of those things? it looks pretty well designed tbh. also how many Hp do the red washers give you?
Random Engine Stuff roughly 100 buff horses #donutmadia #mopowababy
It is a clone of a Honda basicly...so ya it should work great lol
Im curious how the driveability is with the knock off carb? I am building a similar engine for a golf cart and thinking of using this carb on it, thanks for the videos RB
Scott: like night & day over the butterfly carbs, you'll never look back once a slider is fitted...about a 26mm Should see you about carbed right for good throttle response & economy Cheers Trev New Zealand 😇🇳🇿
Good video. Itll be very informative for anyone doing a build on one of these for the first time :)
Please do a video on how to tune a 34 mm makuni on a predator 420
Craig I hand fun meet y'all and your family love to y'all next time thanks &God bless
Question on the 6° key is there a shim placed in the spot removed on the key so it has no chance of moving and changing the timing ?
If you want a cheap and easy way to see the true contact area of your valves to seat. Clean the valve and seat very well, then take a Sharpie and color the seat only. Place the suction cup on the valve and carefully place it in the seat. Rotate in one direction for one compete turn. Do Not rotate back and forth like you do when lapping. Remove the valve and see if you have contact all the way around. Clean the seat and valve and color the valve this time. Repeat the process to see contact area. This will show you the actual contact area between the valve and seat. It should be a smaller area than the area the lapping compound left.
Anybody know what cam to buy for a hemi 420.... which ones best and where from...also where to get chromoly push rods
Joey... don't know if it applies now but try Isky 404 Flathead V8 grind : about 265' Duration on 108 LCA lobe centre angle, you could tighten that up to 106' degrees overlap for more Lope & torque.Pushrods should be ok but they might have pair of junior dragster. Cut to length set.Goodluck.Trev New Zealand
Where can I get that piston? I am doing gthe exact same build but valves hitting piston.
How are you setting up throttle linkages?!?
Hello, I converted a Predator 8750 generator to dual fuel. Now it burns gasoline and natural gas. The problem is, after the conversion (of course) I began learned that burning natural gas in a gasoline engine not made for natural gas is problematic. You get what's called "valve recession", which seems to add greatly to the wear and tear of the engine, cutting the hours to like 1,000, before the engine is unusable. My question do yo or anyone know if there is a good replacment valve set that would be of the hardened type used in small dual fuel engines. Thanks in advance.
No way in hell I would ever use that billet aluminum flywheel no matter what until they figure out a way to add key start and charging maybe a hybrid flywheel.
Just started the video super excited to watch it!!!
Sweet build, Red Beard! Is there a reason you don't upgrade the pushrods to chromoly rods when you upgrade the valve train? Are rods available from GPS for the hemi in stock length?
Hello. If you put the key to the south contrary to this one, will it speed up? thanks
My pressure washer is about to run a 10 second quarter mile now
Got a pn for the cam
Rasta B TV put a 420 in a 4 wheeler..stock tho..good show Greg!
hey , link for the Header Cup Washers ?
Make a vídeo starting and testing this motor
I need sum valves for my hemi
hemi and non hemi motor!!!
I don’t give a crap about a trade mark name, I’ll call it a hemi because that’s what the manufacturer cause it!
Would a hemi 420 Stage 2 kit work on the non hemi? Or would you need to make clearance
I'm wondering if Red Beard does builds for others ? I have a new Duramax 420 .
Can you take out the counterbalance shaft out of a 420
Yeah it will make the engine vibrate a little more. You can send the rotating assembly off and get it balanced to get rid of it.
The exhaust pocket on the Piston does not look large enough for that valve and now you have a larger cam or more duration maybe a bigger problem
I like this engine.
How much power has it been increased to ?
Greg, I built two of these inspired by your build (also got a Deuce & 670). Quick question. When connecting the two wires from the charging coils are they connected separately to the pink and yellow wires? Or are they all connected together, or something else? Thank you for your help & keep up the good work!
Can you make one tuned to run e85 or is that a stupid idea
Can you show or explain your crankshaft stop or holder please.
I just put a preditor 420 on my go cart and it will not move or pull what's my problem please help
Hey RBG love your channel... I have a vertical 420cc from powermore off a ride on mower so I was wondering if I need to modify the oil like in smaller engines with the splash rod for the oil to properly use it in the horizontal position?
i need a built enige on my push mower i will do it.one can straighten valves man the stems ant hardened but can under stand one worrying if may break ..Davids farm did it on a japan atv engine n it workeded
Might consider tacking a short sleeve to the spring compressor to keep it from walking
hey there! what size main jet are you using?
Red I really need your help about engine.i don't know how to make it but I need performance engine 420cc predator I need to use for boat.maybe you can help me where can I buy that engine.please I came from west palm beach fl.
On another video you said 25 ft lbs on the the 420 head bolts, now on this one they are 26 ft lbs. I was just wondering which is really correct.
What valves did you use I need new valves
Spring compressor with the vice grip type clamp are so much better.
Another great video, and great build!👍
Link to the valve spring compressor isnt down in the decription can you add it thanks
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I'll add it. Thanks for pointing that out!
The only issue with clearance, clarence lol
After you installed the billet rod, what is the maximum rpm with that engine?
After build what is the maximum rpm? How much hp and torque?