Just putting this out there, this was a 1000ft drop and Matt said it was 1d6/10ft, he said it was too many dice to roll because he rolled 100d6 on his phone just to see Keyleth’s body shatter against the rocks
RAW max fall damage is 20d6. Also this isn't the players suffering the consequences of their stupidity, this is the players suffering the consequences of Matt's poor descriptions.
@@mayube9292 first of all, having a cap for fall damage is ridiculous. ~70 damage is barely enough to knock a level 10 character unconscious, let alone provide a threat to a level 17. terminal velocity is terminal velocity and jumping off a 1000 ft cliff should have heavier consequences than 20d6. secondly, matt made the important things very clear; the cliff is extremely high, it's not a sheer face, and whether or not keyleth was in the clear was iffy, which is accurate to what she wouldve gathered while falling. she shouldve just turned into a bird but honestly who cares, it was a funny accident that was quickly resolved, no need to make it out like matts a bad dm
Let's be very clear here. There were almost 2 deaths because of this scene. Keyleth's guaranteed splatter death was always gonna happen, but Travis very nearly suffocated from laughter lol
@@LordVader1094 I think he just wanted to start conflict. People like being idiots when they have nothing important and think what they do don't have any repercussions because it's the internet.
I wonder how Marisha feels in regard the fact that, out of hundreds and hundreds of hours of gameplay, these might be the ten minutes Keyleth is best known for.
@@karmicpopcorn6440 "I don't have words" - Try these words: it's just a game. Seriously, there's worse things than having a sense of humor about in-game mistakes that only killed your own character. And this is a wonderful game moment, at least for some of us.
For those interested: Chrysler building - 1046 feet tall Eiffel Tower - 1066 feet tall Human terminal velocity of horizontal positioning (belly to earth) is 200km/h Stable head down position increases velocity to 250-300 km/h. Falling person at low altitude will reach terminal velocity after roughly 12 seconds of free fall. 450m (1,500 feet) World record cliff dive was 192 ft on 19/08/2015 by Laso Schaller. Reached a speed of 123km/h before impact. 125ft/second - 1000 feet Keyleth had roughly 8 seconds of fall time to regret her decision and was still accelerating upon impact. That’s like getting hit by a world shaped bus travelling at 137kph/85mph ...Ouch...
Laura at one point said it was 1500 feet so she would have reached terminal velocity right as she impacted rock. I think Matt gave some consideration for the toughness of their physical forms and the fact that she impacted as a goldfish because a regular human would have quite literally exploded upon impact from something like that and she would have been in pieces
This is why a lot of fans, including myself, hate Keyleth. Your character is suppose to be this very wise person, but you always seem to make the dumbest decisions. I know that being intelligent and being wise are two different things, but wisdom, in D&D at least means common sense and being able to LEARN from your mistakes.
I love how Matt keeps going "This was not in my plan!" - the guy who, on the spot, has been known to come up with an NPCs appearance, name, background, and profession, but never once did he think to plan for this.
It's kind of hard to plan for a PC to kill themselves due to a lack of common sense, especially when you give them multiple warnings that it's a dumb idea and to think their choices through.
@@bulldozer8950 I'm sure Matt was thinking the same thing. Matt's head: (I'm sure she'll probably be fine. She'll turn into a bird and-) Keyleth: I turn into a goldfish. Matt: ... Matt: What?
not just her, literally only her didn't see this coming ! the others crew members all tryed to convince her otherwise or help her survive. but nope, goldfish !
To be fair they kind of are since she could have turned into a bird at any time. Even if she had just executed the laughable plan of turning into a goldfish at the start of the dive she might have only taken half damage for being such a tiny creature and had the damage halved again if she'd landed in the water and so survived provided that the DM was feeling generous but she left it too late even for that.
@@nicholasm3265 To be technical, you reach terminal velocity at about 500 ft so her damage should be halved which is livable. and landing in water would negate that to 0 damage if she dove into it the like a diver. By all accounts you could argue she shouldn't have died there.
@@Godtierlee landing in water would have reduced it? Maybe by game rules.... Thats not how water works! Water is as hard as a rock if you fall that deep!
Some people thought that her body should not have been in one piece. My father has been a skydiving instructor for decades and we've seen falls from higher than 1000 ft. You'd be surprised at how much the human body can take externally. There would definitely be enough left for the revivify.
That's, uhm, disturbing. As a person who has thought about wanting to skydive but is scared to, this information has made me less inclined to... interesting to know though!
Mind you, skydiving is incredibly safe in modern times. The technological evolution to parachutes has been huge, several modern devices even allow them to open by themselves after a certain height has been reached. Also, even back then the incidents were very uncommon. It's just the kind of thing you remember, even when it never happens again.
it wouldn't even matter if she had hit water. Water from that height would be like hitting concrete. I can't believe half of them couldn't even panic or be sad because they were laughing so hard at the absurdity of it.
Well, there might be a loophole, depending on how high up, exactly, she changed into a goldfish. (Goldfish has a much smaller silhouette and mass, so terminal velocity would be much slower for goldfish than it is for people) However, I find it entirely in keeping with what we know of Keyleth for her to turn into a goldfish close enough to the ground for her now tiny, single-hit-point body to smack into the jagged rocks at the base of the cliff at human-scale terminal velocity. (Or, as you posit, to smack into the water's surface at that speed to similar effect)
Well, it literally has no consequence in DnD. It does in this show, being revived is going to be harder and harder every time it happens because Matt is clearly not a fan of Death is Cheap himself. Keyleth got lucky because they had the revivify coin and she hadn't died before. There definitely is consequence to death in Critical Role
I've made some bad decisions in DnD, and the mixture of elation and horror that Marisha is demonstrating in this video just about sums up the game for me. I love this scene so much.
This is actually a brilliant idea. Well... not Wisdom 22 brilliant... but still... the smaller the animal, the weaker the gravitational pull. You can let an ant fall from any hight, its terminal velocity isnt high enough for it to ever kill it. So *turns into a goldfish, slowing down the fall drastically* *falls in the water with a very small amount of surface tension* *can swim because fish* the only problem was, not looking down to see if there was rock :D better animals: -flyers (if high enough) -super small animals (like ants) and the best thing: -flying super small animals (bee and so on) so yea... :D thats my two cents about that
LetsPlayCrazy Wouldn't it have been smarter to turn into something big, like a whale? To my knowledge whales aren't that aerodynamic, so maybe she would have slowed down a little. Also the pressure of hitting rock or bellyflopping would have been much smaller, given a whale's large surface area. Sure she would have more momentum, but wouldn't that just mean whatever media she fell into, she would displace more upon her impact? I also realize that bigger whales weigh more, and the normal force of whatever she hit, would be her force as a human scaled up by the ratio of a whale's mass to a half elf's. But let's say a was a true swan dive, and all the force of crashing down was placed on the tips of her middle fingers (probably a square inch, if not smaller), then compare it to to the area of a whale's underside. Her mass may have gone up 1000 times, but the surface area that hit the crag/water would have been magnitudes larger. Even if she hit head first as a human, the pressure of a whale would still be smaller. I'm going to guesstimate these proportions, but I assume a human head is a quarter foot by 1/2 foot ellipse, and a humpback whale is an ellipse with major axis 50 ft and a minor axis of 10 ft (maybe smaller). Then a weight of a humpback whale at most would be 40 tons or 80 thousand pounds, and 1 Keyleth is probably 120 pounds. Yeah, these aren't the best approximations, but they are the best I can think of off the top of my head.
Yea sure lets increase the volume AND the weight xD What you are saying is wrong because whales also have more density then for example an ant. And because it is bigger, the whale would have been impaled on those ricks, doing even more damage :D So a whale would actually have been worse then a goldfish xD
LetsPlayCrazy sure, if they were sharp rocks, she would be impaled, but the rockface below wasn't described very well. And density of the person doesn't have anything to do with this situation, to my knowledge. Density of the air would affect terminal velocity, but not density of the person. Sure, since an ant is smaller, air to it is more viscous (like how sperm in water is like swimming in peanut butter), slowing them down considerably, and an ant's anatomy will change how the force is distributed, but if it is hitting ground at the terminal velocity of a human, not an ant's terminal velocity, it would not be safe. But if we are talking about the very edge of the rock, "where the rock meets the surf," the extended length of a whale would put most of her body in the water. Not exactly a graceful landing, but safer than headfirst into rocks. If she got impaled anywhere, it would essentially be her foot (the tail of the whale), a very non-lethal place to be impaled. A goldfish going the terminal velocity of a human (she changed last second, meaning very little deceleration time) would still splatter on the rocks. A whale going terminal velocity of a human would be a little safer.
My favorite part is that it's clear Ashley was only half paying attention so when this all goes down she's like "Wait, dead? What? What's happening?" And then gets indignant with Matt who planned for none of this.
Fun fact goldfish have a 2 for constitution. A. -4. For. FUCKING. CONSTITUTION. Marisa goldfish should’ve splattered into thannos baby powder. Link for anyone curious: www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/259080-goldfish
Knowing Keyleths history and moveset, Keyteors and giant eagles and other elementals and whatnot, her deciding to jump off the cliff was totally fine. It's just that she failed to really grasp her situation toward the end there.... and reeeeeally wanted to go for a swim.
The visible stages of grief Marisha goes through realising what she has done is incredible Edit: the visible stage of grief LIAM goes through realising what she has done is also incredible, its just on a delay
The goldfish took the impact. Not her body. Stole this from another comment: Say, for whatever reason, a druid with 100 HP turned into a worm. The worm gets stepped on, taking 2 damage. It only has 1 HP, and so smushes into the ground, its body unrecoverable. The Druid is then supposed to take the other 1 damage. By your logic, the druid's body should be mush on the ground under that foot, despite having 99 HP left. Whatever happens to a beast form, only the numbers transfer over.
Oh yeah, Keyleth took 362 points of damage, but I'm sure she looked unscathed and perfectly healthy because her goldfish form absorbed 0.276% of the impact. Give me a break. "Whatever happens in beast form, only the numbers transfer over." Those "numbers" actually mean something--they represent the damage of the fall that carried over into Keyleth's body.
@@47571660 by that logic you could change a dragon into a snake and simply cut the head of in the 5 seconds it takes to revert back. That's like 2 damage for the dragon but the dragon would be headless. We are not saying that this didn't hurt her. Just saying that her body wouldn't be splattered.
@@azrielslytherin2604 Nope, not my logic at all. The damage that carries over in your example would not be enough to cut off a dragon's head--it would have a scratch at most. No one I can see is arguing any differently, and it's a moot point anyway as it isn't what happened. Keyleth took 100 more damage than an adult red dragon has total hit points, enough to kill her outright. Your logic fails to appreciate what 'damage' actually represents (when you take damage, narratively your body should be damaged).
A lot of Kiki fans still say Matt did a dick move by exceeding the damage cap for fall damage, but c'mon... Ridiculous decisions equals ridiculous consequences
I think the fall damage cap is stupid in the first place. Maxing out falling damage at 50d6 means she would've probably only been knocked unconcious by a 1000 foot drop. I like it much better the way Matt makes it work.
@@seanob8001 didnt even know there was a cap on fall damage. You could literally fall from the heaven for hundred miles and only take max 300 dmg? What a stupid thing.
@@jtg1912 another commentor did the math, and terminal velocity would require a 1500 ft drop, so Keyleth's actually still accelerating at the point of impact
@@kori228 you’re absolutely right. I actually found that after I posted when I was going down the terminal velocity rabbit hole and forgot to come back and edit. But I guess my main point still stands as far as there should obviously be a cap at fall damage when terminal velocity is reached. Im working on an injury status idea to provide some consequence to high level people jumping off cliffs because they have the hp and that’s pretty dumb IMO. Something where If a large enough amount of damage is taken in a single action there’s a percentage chance of taking a debilitating injury.
Everyone keeps going on and on about the 22 Wisdom, but if y'all remember what Keyleth said to Vex'ahlia, she said the decision to turn into a goldfish was a moment of PANIC. Anyone who has ever panicked in their entire lives do not always make decisions based on common sense.
Considering what can happen to bodies when they impact rocks at those speeds? i could see some traumatic flashbacks for both Keyleth and Laura's character.
@@DarthSinistris In the Harley Quinn animated series there's a moment where a heist goes horribly wrong and Harley's crew has to leap out a skyscrapper window to escape. As they're on their way down Dr Psycho shouts "WE ARE GOLDEN GODS!"
Just FYI... 1000 feet is about 92 floors. For reference, the Empire State Building is 102 floors, so Keyleth basically took a header from the height of a skyscraper... then turned into a nice, fragile, goldfish for the landing.
Smaller creatures don't hit the ground as hard. If a spider (wolf spider for reference) jumped off the empire state building it would probably just break a few legs.
@@williamhoneycutt8868 Might have been true if it'd been at the start of the fall but Marisha even specifies that she waits until the last moment before turning into the goldfish. She was still moving with the force of a 178lb woman except now it was acting on a two ounce fish. Been a while since physics for me but from what I remember that would have actually caused Keyleth to speed up even more right before hitting the rocks.
Re-watching this ages later is STILL funny. I know there's so much more to it in game terms, but as a viewer, in the end, hilarity ensues. Sail by awolnation will always be on my Keyleth playlist because of this, LOL.
To be fair, just like Marisha i assumed she was going to hit the water And considering how they usually treat physics in the show i thought her hitting the water was going to be fine :'D But hey at least we got the most iconic Moment from Campaign 1 out of it XD
I'm doing a second watch of Campaign 1, and Keyleth really likes to jump off of stuff. In fact, I just got to "The Rematch" Ep23, and Marisha actually says a little past two hours and forty-five minutes that she likes leaps of faith because they're exciting.
That's 100 d6's he had to roll... with a maximum potential damage output of 600 damage. If he had rolled any higher... there might not have been a corpse to even BE recovered! Matt's dice roll was 363 points of damage. Keyleth's Max HP was 127 at this point. That (127 hp) x 2 = 254. Anything above that equals instant death, all three death saves instantly failed, and the body can usually be recovered. However... 127 x 3 = 381... Matt rolled 363. If he had rolled just a little higher, her corpse would be irreparably damaged to the point that ressurection would be nearly impossible beyond certain very high level spells like Wish and a few others. If he had rolled anywhere from 382 to 600, Keyleth's corpse would be more and more just pulverized meat and bone shards. If he had gotten anything over 500... she'd be chum, literal fishfood. This is why I'm not a fan of the range system in this game. It warps a players sense of distance so that they seem to think 1,000 feet is only 100 feet. Mental Distance Distortion of the imagination is a key part of why many players PK and TPK... they get too close and don't realize it until there is a big dang'um dragon directly in their faces. DM's are partly to blame for this, and the use of battle mats and dungeon tiles is part of the rest of it. :-/ All of that said... OH MY WORD THAT WAS HILARIOUS!!! 😂😂😂
I disagree. She was in wild shape when she hit the surf. At least at my table, her fish body would go splat, propmting the shapechanging magic to revert her form. But her actual body wouldn't be disfigured. She'd take the damage of course and would be dead because of it but not turned to mush as that body did not take the actual impact. I don't see written anywhere in the rules something happening at 3×Max HP damage, so this is up to the table's DM. You can rule it however you want at your table, of course, as that's kind of the point of D&D. I don't think it's a bad idea in general, in fact I like it. But because she was in wild shape at the time of impact I have a disagree here specifically.
My halfling-halforc jumped off a 60ft wall and polymorphed in to an Orca to kill a bunch of hobgoblins. I was thankfully able to get revived but man... I feel you Marisha. Gravity’s a bitch.
Also, if she hadn't used that Gust cantrip to get more clearance, she would've only suffered 30d6 (about 90ish damage on an average roll) from only hitting after 300ft. Literally everything she did just added more and more to her ultimate demise.
Just putting this out there, this was a 1000ft drop and Matt said it was 1d6/10ft, he said it was too many dice to roll because he rolled 100d6 on his phone just to see Keyleth’s body shatter against the rocks
@@stephenrussell1054 At about 0:50 seconds in Matt explains that the cliff is not completely vertical and Keyleth is going to hit the side of the cliff after falling only 300ft. After he finishes that explanation, Keyleth, at about the 1:13 mark, casts the Gust cantrip to push herself away from the side of the cliff in the hopes of landing in the ocean. As I said, had she not done this, she would have only taken 30d6 damage (somewhere between 90 and 120 on average, very survivable for her) from hitting after 300ft /instead/ of the 100d6 damage from hitting after falling the full 1000ft.
I was watching this live, and I knew she was going to hit rocks and probably die, based on Matt's wording, sure 50% chance but don't tempt fate ya'll. Sure there's the rule but terminal velocity rules me and my friend's house rules (physics books with Percy too) . So yeah. Anyway I know it sounds bad... but as soon as I knew what happened (before she hit) I wanted them to fail the revive sooo bad. First permanent character death? For that? Aww man, that would have been amazing.
Those were the words thought about but in a different way. "Keyleth. You are two failed saves from a permadead character. You JUST became the tempest! Do you really want this to be your-" (Splat).
The show would have suffered with a lame side quest to revive her. The realistic roleplay required for the show from the characters in reproach of her actions was enough. It's not like they don't take Matt's main story danger lightly, just silly shit like this.
I just realized, they aren't using rules as written for the damage here. RAW maxes out at 20d6, which literally couldn't even knock her out if she was at full health. I mean, I'm perfectly okay with that, as RAW seems to think that you reach terminal velocity after falling only 200 feet, rather than approximately 1500 feet like it should. It should cap at 150d6.
Marisha: "It's fine we're gods..." Travis: "Why would you even tempt that?..." Matt: Keyleth scatters across the rocks and just crumples into the surf and is floating [dead] This sums up Keyleth so much. I don't understand how she has a 22 wisdom score
Wisdom =/= Intelligence. Also she's played by Marisha who, unfortunately, is impulsive and prone to doing stupid things she thinks she can get away with, or did you miss all those times she keeps getting arrested or in trouble? xD
Fisho D Something people seem to forget is that one, we are ALL human, and being human means we WILL make mistakes. Two, playing Druid is COMPLICATED, FFS you have to keep track of every animal you’ve ever come across, know the stats for said beast, not to mention that what animals you’d likely know are impossible to find without Xanathars guide to everything. Three, Keyleth projects a different kind of wisdom than what people expect. She’s very knowledgeable about nature and how the forces of said nature work, yet she was sheltered heavily as a child. Vox Machina we’re probably Keyleths first friends that weren’t magic, plants, or animals. So let’s be honest, we’ve all both done dumb shit for and with our friends. Probably in the attempt to impress them.
@@giraffedragon6110 cool devil's advocate speech, but come on dude, this was a fuck up, it was funny, and they recovered from it. It wasn't because Druids are hard, She wasn't RP-ing a reckless moment, it was just a dumb move on Marisha's part. And it was legendary.
I was expecting Matt to say "when you pick up... What was keyleth is now more like picking up a thrashed and mottled skin suit half filled with gravel that split at the seams.
I’m only laughing because Travis got such a kick out of this lol. When we hit this in the animated show, Grog needs to be laughing through all of this.
I didn't know much about D&D when I found this. I had assumed she turned into a goldfish cause that was what she was limited to. So when I found out she could have turned into a bird I was like "YOU COULD DO THAT AND YOU PICKED GOLDFISH?!" XD
Travis dying of laughter is the best. Good example of a player making an incredibly stupid decision and paying for it. Glad Matt didn't pull punches on this one, she needed to die. Who the fuck thinks it's a good idea to jump off a 300+ foot cliff I dont care how many HP you have
![Critical Role [Ep. 97] - Kiki vs The Cliff](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/lfbHKyk3p2Q/mqdefault.jpg)
gotta respect a DM that let's the players suffer the consequences of their stupidity to the point of insta killing his wife's lvl17 character.
Not his wife at that point, but yes
@@levindeed I mean, at this point, shevwas still his long-term girlfriend
Just putting this out there, this was a 1000ft drop and Matt said it was 1d6/10ft, he said it was too many dice to roll because he rolled 100d6 on his phone just to see Keyleth’s body shatter against the rocks
RAW max fall damage is 20d6.
Also this isn't the players suffering the consequences of their stupidity, this is the players suffering the consequences of Matt's poor descriptions.
@@mayube9292 first of all, having a cap for fall damage is ridiculous. ~70 damage is barely enough to knock a level 10 character unconscious, let alone provide a threat to a level 17. terminal velocity is terminal velocity and jumping off a 1000 ft cliff should have heavier consequences than 20d6. secondly, matt made the important things very clear; the cliff is extremely high, it's not a sheer face, and whether or not keyleth was in the clear was iffy, which is accurate to what she wouldve gathered while falling. she shouldve just turned into a bird but honestly who cares, it was a funny accident that was quickly resolved, no need to make it out like matts a bad dm
Let's be very clear here. There were almost 2 deaths because of this scene. Keyleth's guaranteed splatter death was always gonna happen, but Travis very nearly suffocated from laughter lol
@DJ KO Why you gotta be a rude ass?
@@LordVader1094 I think he just wanted to start conflict. People like being idiots when they have nothing important and think what they do don't have any repercussions because it's the internet.
He turned into a hyena
I wonder how Marisha feels in regard the fact that, out of hundreds and hundreds of hours of gameplay, these might be the ten minutes Keyleth is best known for.
I can tell you from her trying to joke about it, she still regrets it to this day
@@ellispedersen4192 the Feeblemind almost makes up for this. Almost.
On Marisha's Between The Sheets episode, she mentions that she doesn't regret it at all since it became one of the most iconic moments of CR ever.
Good grief, famous for stupidity? I don't have words....
I suppose you have to play it off somehow or just get angry in public and that's always ugly.
@@karmicpopcorn6440 "I don't have words" - Try these words: it's just a game. Seriously, there's worse things than having a sense of humor about in-game mistakes that only killed your own character. And this is a wonderful game moment, at least for some of us.
The only person that was able to kill Keyleth in the whole campaign was Keyleth.
Her own worst enemy, indeed.
"We are gods" -Best last words ever.
"It's fine we're God's. " Has become my party's unofficial catch phrase.
I love how Laura is freaking out trying to figure out how to revive her and everyone else is just dying of laughter.
Mainly travis. I cant not laugh when I hear his cackle upon hearing "it's a scatter of red mess"
For those interested:
Chrysler building - 1046 feet tall
Eiffel Tower - 1066 feet tall
Human terminal velocity of horizontal positioning (belly to earth) is 200km/h
Stable head down position increases velocity to 250-300 km/h.
Falling person at low altitude will reach terminal velocity after roughly 12 seconds of free fall. 450m (1,500 feet)
World record cliff dive was 192 ft on 19/08/2015 by Laso Schaller. Reached a speed of 123km/h before impact.
125ft/second - 1000 feet
Keyleth had roughly 8 seconds of fall time to regret her decision and was still accelerating upon impact.
That’s like getting hit by a world shaped bus travelling at 137kph/85mph
...Ouch...
It's fine, we're gods.
@@Person01234 I mean, it was, she was literarly alive and well less than a minute later in game time.
r/didthemath
Nice math
Laura at one point said it was 1500 feet so she would have reached terminal velocity right as she impacted rock. I think Matt gave some consideration for the toughness of their physical forms and the fact that she impacted as a goldfish because a regular human would have quite literally exploded upon impact from something like that and she would have been in pieces
Twenty-two Wisdom, everyone
On paper it's 22, in reality, it's more like a 7.
This is why a lot of fans, including myself, hate Keyleth. Your character is suppose to be this very wise person, but you always seem to make the dumbest decisions. I know that being intelligent and being wise are two different things, but wisdom, in D&D at least means common sense and being able to LEARN from your mistakes.
she probably won't jump off a 1000 foot cliff again.
that's a lesson that only needs to be taught once
That's the problem, she can't play the character on her character sheet, so WHY IS THAT THE CHARACTER ON HER CHARACTER SHEET?
Watch Mariah pull on her ring when she's doubting Matt about her death lololol
this explained the concept of hubris to me better than 3 years of classical studies ever could
I love how Matt keeps going "This was not in my plan!" - the guy who, on the spot, has been known to come up with an NPCs appearance, name, background, and profession, but never once did he think to plan for this.
It's kind of hard to plan for a PC to kill themselves due to a lack of common sense, especially when you give them multiple warnings that it's a dumb idea and to think their choices through.
@@Dramatic_Gaming And they can literally turn into flying creatures and still die to falling.
@@bulldozer8950 I'm sure Matt was thinking the same thing.
Matt's head: (I'm sure she'll probably be fine. She'll turn into a bird and-)
Keyleth: I turn into a goldfish.
Matt: ...
Matt: What?
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: Maximum Keyleth
you can never go full keyleth !
wait till she does something even better !
"It was nice being in a couple."
And just think, Keyleth would start saying that a few weeks later...
Max Barr godammit
Too soon
I saw this live, and when Kiki said she was going to jump, you could hear the 20,000-ish people in chat collectively facepalm.
#We'reGods
not just her, literally only her didn't see this coming !
the others crew members all tryed to convince her otherwise or help her survive. but nope, goldfish !
To be fair they kind of are since she could have turned into a bird at any time. Even if she had just executed the laughable plan of turning into a goldfish at the start of the dive she might have only taken half damage for being such a tiny creature and had the damage halved again if she'd landed in the water and so survived provided that the DM was feeling generous but she left it too late even for that.
Tosh Omni half damage? Full . cause thats not how gravity works. Don't help stupid people
@@nicholasm3265 To be technical, you reach terminal velocity at about 500 ft so her damage should be halved which is livable. and landing in water would negate that to 0 damage if she dove into it the like a diver. By all accounts you could argue she shouldn't have died there.
@@Godtierlee landing in water would have reduced it? Maybe by game rules....
Thats not how water works!
Water is as hard as a rock if you fall that deep!
Some people thought that her body should not have been in one piece. My father has been a skydiving instructor for decades and we've seen falls from higher than 1000 ft. You'd be surprised at how much the human body can take externally. There would definitely be enough left for the revivify.
That's, uhm, disturbing. As a person who has thought about wanting to skydive but is scared to, this information has made me less inclined to... interesting to know though!
Mind you, skydiving is incredibly safe in modern times. The technological evolution to parachutes has been huge, several modern devices even allow them to open by themselves after a certain height has been reached. Also, even back then the incidents were very uncommon. It's just the kind of thing you remember, even when it never happens again.
That's good to know! I hope to go skydiving sometime in the next year. Its still a scary thought though, jumping out of a perfectly good airplane.
bah, think about it a different way.
Sky diving is taking the express way down. =P
Kaploy8 That is very good to know but not something I would like to try out my self though. 😁
Matt was not her enemy, the floor was.
HobbsyTenTwentyThree
gosh dang floor invading from Britania. I blame Lord British
What's a Paladin?
Gravity really.
Arnold Schwarzenegger in Twins: “I did nothing, the pavement was his enemy
More like Marisha's assumption that D&D uses cartoon physics.
it wouldn't even matter if she had hit water. Water from that height would be like hitting concrete.
I can't believe half of them couldn't even panic or be sad because they were laughing so hard at the absurdity of it.
Well, there might be a loophole, depending on how high up, exactly, she changed into a goldfish. (Goldfish has a much smaller silhouette and mass, so terminal velocity would be much slower for goldfish than it is for people) However, I find it entirely in keeping with what we know of Keyleth for her to turn into a goldfish close enough to the ground for her now tiny, single-hit-point body to smack into the jagged rocks at the base of the cliff at human-scale terminal velocity. (Or, as you posit, to smack into the water's surface at that speed to similar effect)
Landis963 I think anything short of a flying or hovering creature would have gone splat.
but seriously, Keyleth xD next time ... more hit points pls
She turned gold fish before she hit the rock, which it doesn't matter as she is still at the same speed
MeonProductions to be honest, at this point it feels like death has no consequence in this show.
Well, it literally has no consequence in DnD. It does in this show, being revived is going to be harder and harder every time it happens because Matt is clearly not a fan of Death is Cheap himself. Keyleth got lucky because they had the revivify coin and she hadn't died before. There definitely is consequence to death in Critical Role
Using the Sunny In Philly intro was an absolute genius move
Seconded. Perfectly timed and completely out of nowhere. Fucking *BRILLIANT*.
I've made some bad decisions in DnD, and the mixture of elation and horror that Marisha is demonstrating in this video just about sums up the game for me. I love this scene so much.
Of all the things a Goldfish. Out of all the animals and powerful beasts she chooses a goldfish😂😂😂
+Avery Weathers, I mean--fuck it, why not right? XD
This is actually a brilliant idea.
Well... not Wisdom 22 brilliant... but still...
the smaller the animal, the weaker the gravitational pull.
You can let an ant fall from any hight, its terminal velocity isnt high enough for it to ever kill it.
So
*turns into a goldfish, slowing down the fall drastically*
*falls in the water with a very small amount of surface tension*
*can swim because fish*
the only problem was, not looking down to see if there was rock :D
better animals:
-flyers (if high enough)
-super small animals (like ants)
and the best thing:
-flying super small animals (bee and so on)
so yea... :D thats my two cents about that
LetsPlayCrazy Wouldn't it have been smarter to turn into something big, like a whale? To my knowledge whales aren't that aerodynamic, so maybe she would have slowed down a little. Also the pressure of hitting rock or bellyflopping would have been much smaller, given a whale's large surface area. Sure she would have more momentum, but wouldn't that just mean whatever media she fell into, she would displace more upon her impact? I also realize that bigger whales weigh more, and the normal force of whatever she hit, would be her force as a human scaled up by the ratio of a whale's mass to a half elf's. But let's say a was a true swan dive, and all the force of crashing down was placed on the tips of her middle fingers (probably a square inch, if not smaller), then compare it to to the area of a whale's underside. Her mass may have gone up 1000 times, but the surface area that hit the crag/water would have been magnitudes larger. Even if she hit head first as a human, the pressure of a whale would still be smaller. I'm going to guesstimate these proportions, but I assume a human head is a quarter foot by 1/2 foot ellipse, and a humpback whale is an ellipse with major axis 50 ft and a minor axis of 10 ft (maybe smaller). Then a weight of a humpback whale at most would be 40 tons or 80 thousand pounds, and 1 Keyleth is probably 120 pounds. Yeah, these aren't the best approximations, but they are the best I can think of off the top of my head.
Yea sure lets increase the volume AND the weight xD
What you are saying is wrong because whales also have more density then for example an ant.
And because it is bigger, the whale would have been impaled on those ricks, doing even more damage :D
So a whale would actually have been worse then a goldfish xD
LetsPlayCrazy sure, if they were sharp rocks, she would be impaled, but the rockface below wasn't described very well. And density of the person doesn't have anything to do with this situation, to my knowledge. Density of the air would affect terminal velocity, but not density of the person. Sure, since an ant is smaller, air to it is more viscous (like how sperm in water is like swimming in peanut butter), slowing them down considerably, and an ant's anatomy will change how the force is distributed, but if it is hitting ground at the terminal velocity of a human, not an ant's terminal velocity, it would not be safe. But if we are talking about the very edge of the rock, "where the rock meets the surf," the extended length of a whale would put most of her body in the water. Not exactly a graceful landing, but safer than headfirst into rocks. If she got impaled anywhere, it would essentially be her foot (the tail of the whale), a very non-lethal place to be impaled. A goldfish going the terminal velocity of a human (she changed last second, meaning very little deceleration time) would still splatter on the rocks. A whale going terminal velocity of a human would be a little safer.
My favorite part is that it's clear Ashley was only half paying attention so when this all goes down she's like "Wait, dead? What? What's happening?" And then gets indignant with Matt who planned for none of this.
"I thought it was going to be not that bad!" (after swan diving off a 1,000 foot cliff)
#shityourplayerssay
22 Wisdom. 15 Intelligence. BANZAAAAAAI
Campaign 2:
Marisha/Beau: “Could I try to swim back towards the tree?”
Travis/Fjord: “SWIM? DO YOU STILL NOT UNDERSTAND HOW PHYSICS WORK YET?!”
Note how in campaign two she built a character who negates most fall damage
Travis is just dying of laughter
blackvial lol I was actually laughing that hard when it happened mostly out of shock at how stupid the move was and how funny at the same time.
"Why would you even tempt that shit right now" is the best phrase.
He's loving it haha
His laugh is contagious
Keyleth had the best death in Campaign 1. Hands down.
Hands, arms, head, torso, legs and feet down. All at once. After a one thousand foot plummet.
Magic trick: fish into a corpse!
Amazing!
It's a classic. Even more than the rabbit from the cilinder.
Fun fact goldfish have a 2 for constitution. A. -4. For. FUCKING. CONSTITUTION. Marisa goldfish should’ve splattered into thannos baby powder.
Link for anyone curious: www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/259080-goldfish
3:10 Everyone gunna overlook how Taliesin took a huge swig of Marisha's coffee by accident and nobody noticed?
LOLOLOL
he says right after, "why am I drinking your coffee..." lol
Knowing Keyleths history and moveset, Keyteors and giant eagles and other elementals and whatnot, her deciding to jump off the cliff was totally fine. It's just that she failed to really grasp her situation toward the end there.... and reeeeeally wanted to go for a swim.
"IS SHE LIKE A BODY AT LEAST"
Laura's concern is so fucking funny
The visible stages of grief Marisha goes through realising what she has done is incredible
Edit: the visible stage of grief LIAM goes through realising what she has done is also incredible, its just on a delay
well, The only one who could kill Keyleth was Keyleth...so there's that xD
Even if she hit water, she'd be just as splattered.
If anything if she hit the water it'd have been harder to find the body.
The goldfish took the impact. Not her body.
Stole this from another comment: Say, for whatever reason, a druid with 100 HP turned into a worm. The worm gets stepped on, taking 2 damage. It only has 1 HP, and so smushes into the ground, its body unrecoverable. The Druid is then supposed to take the other 1 damage.
By your logic, the druid's body should be mush on the ground under that foot, despite having 99 HP left.
Whatever happens to a beast form, only the numbers transfer over.
Oh yeah, Keyleth took 362 points of damage, but I'm sure she looked unscathed and perfectly healthy because her goldfish form absorbed 0.276% of the impact. Give me a break.
"Whatever happens in beast form, only the numbers transfer over." Those "numbers" actually mean something--they represent the damage of the fall that carried over into Keyleth's body.
@@47571660 by that logic you could change a dragon into a snake and simply cut the head of in the 5 seconds it takes to revert back. That's like 2 damage for the dragon but the dragon would be headless. We are not saying that this didn't hurt her. Just saying that her body wouldn't be splattered.
@@azrielslytherin2604 Nope, not my logic at all. The damage that carries over in your example would not be enough to cut off a dragon's head--it would have a scratch at most. No one I can see is arguing any differently, and it's a moot point anyway as it isn't what happened. Keyleth took 100 more damage than an adult red dragon has total hit points, enough to kill her outright. Your logic fails to appreciate what 'damage' actually represents (when you take damage, narratively your body should be damaged).
A lot of Kiki fans still say Matt did a dick move by exceeding the damage cap for fall damage, but c'mon...
Ridiculous decisions equals ridiculous consequences
I think the fall damage cap is stupid in the first place. Maxing out falling damage at 50d6 means she would've probably only been knocked unconcious by a 1000 foot drop. I like it much better the way Matt makes it work.
@@seanob8001 didnt even know there was a cap on fall damage. You could literally fall from the heaven for hundred miles and only take max 300 dmg? What a stupid thing.
@@LednacekZ because terminal velocity ?? It caps out too low in game but it should still cap out eventually …
@@jtg1912 another commentor did the math, and terminal velocity would require a 1500 ft drop, so Keyleth's actually still accelerating at the point of impact
@@kori228 you’re absolutely right. I actually found that after I posted when I was going down the terminal velocity rabbit hole and forgot to come back and edit. But I guess my main point still stands as far as there should obviously be a cap at fall damage when terminal velocity is reached.
Im working on an injury status idea to provide some consequence to high level people jumping off cliffs because they have the hp and that’s pretty dumb IMO. Something where If a large enough amount of damage is taken in a single action there’s a percentage chance of taking a debilitating injury.
22 wisdom. Wiser than the wisest creature.
Falls from a cliff, doesn't become a bird.
Everyone keeps going on and on about the 22 Wisdom, but if y'all remember what Keyleth said to Vex'ahlia, she said the decision to turn into a goldfish was a moment of PANIC. Anyone who has ever panicked in their entire lives do not always make decisions based on common sense.
Travis and Sam sums up the entire fandom reaction in this moment. The shock and laughter all at once at a stupid move.
Along with Liam's descent into madness
I feel this is the quintessential Critical Role scene....
Ashley's "stop laughing travis" is gold
This is probably my favourite moment in the show and Travis reaction just makes everything so much better.
"a goldfish turned into a corpse" fucking amazing.
Anyone else just close their eyes and Imagine Vex gagging hearing Keyleth's bones crack and snap back into place after the revify coin lol
Considering what can happen to bodies when they impact rocks at those speeds? i could see some traumatic flashbacks for both Keyleth and Laura's character.
@@Grey_Shard meanwhile Grog is just laughing his goliath ass off xD
things you never want to hear your DM say: there's too many dice to roll
This is literally the Rock and Sam L Jackson scene from "The Other Guys" aim for the bushes scene. I'm dead
Aim for the bushes
5:31 travis' laugh. thank me later
Then Laura yelling “that’s not funny!”
So good hahaha
THAT WAS TRAVIS OH MY GOD HAHA
"Oh, this is going to be fun fun fun"
*_PAF!_*
This is a gentle reminder that this moment is so memorable it's been parodied on TV shows.
What? Really? What shows?
@@DarthSinistris In the Harley Quinn animated series there's a moment where a heist goes horribly wrong and Harley's crew has to leap out a skyscrapper window to escape. As they're on their way down Dr Psycho shouts "WE ARE GOLDEN GODS!"
Just FYI... 1000 feet is about 92 floors. For reference, the Empire State Building is 102 floors, so Keyleth basically took a header from the height of a skyscraper... then turned into a nice, fragile, goldfish for the landing.
Smaller creatures don't hit the ground as hard. If a spider (wolf spider for reference) jumped off the empire state building it would probably just break a few legs.
@@williamhoneycutt8868 Might have been true if it'd been at the start of the fall but Marisha even specifies that she waits until the last moment before turning into the goldfish. She was still moving with the force of a 178lb woman except now it was acting on a two ounce fish. Been a while since physics for me but from what I remember that would have actually caused Keyleth to speed up even more right before hitting the rocks.
I can't wait to see how the show handles this glorious moment
3:10 "why am I drinking YOUR coffee??"
lol oh Taliesin
I can’t wait to see this animated.
“I say Keyleth” such a simple statement causing years of laughter over one little druids death.
This might be the funniest fucking thing that Keyleth has ever done. Never change Marisha XD
So, can change into elemental forms and forgot about air and water elemental forms?
On a side note, she changed from a God into chum?
Frank Robins, Jr. I like to think of it as ascending to becoming the goddess of chum.
Re-watching this ages later is STILL funny. I know there's so much more to it in game terms, but as a viewer, in the end, hilarity ensues. Sail by awolnation will always be on my Keyleth playlist because of this, LOL.
I loved the "ITS ONLY 7:15!" from Ashley
5:13 I feel you Liam. It's hilarious, yes, to an abserd level, but JFC it WON'T BE if she stays dead!
I will never not watch this when it pops up. I love how Liam just throws his glasses! His expressions are just magical. :D
I lost it at the same time as travis. It didn't help that he was just laughing louder than anyone else.
To be fair, just like Marisha i assumed she was going to hit the water
And considering how they usually treat physics in the show i thought her hitting the water was going to be fine :'D
But hey at least we got the most iconic Moment from Campaign 1 out of it XD
The music in the opening gets me every time I watch this!
Grog is more intelligent than Keyleth is wise.
I'm doing a second watch of Campaign 1, and Keyleth really likes to jump off of stuff. In fact, I just got to "The Rematch" Ep23, and Marisha actually says a little past two hours and forty-five minutes that she likes leaps of faith because they're exciting.
Man! I love how worried Liam was for his character’s girlfriend!
That's 100 d6's he had to roll... with a maximum potential damage output of 600 damage.
If he had rolled any higher... there might not have been a corpse to even BE recovered!
Matt's dice roll was 363 points of damage. Keyleth's Max HP was 127 at this point.
That (127 hp) x 2 = 254. Anything above that equals instant death, all three death saves instantly failed, and the body can usually be recovered.
However... 127 x 3 = 381... Matt rolled 363. If he had rolled just a little higher, her corpse would be irreparably damaged to the point that ressurection would be nearly impossible beyond certain very high level spells like Wish and a few others.
If he had rolled anywhere from 382 to 600, Keyleth's corpse would be more and more just pulverized meat and bone shards. If he had gotten anything over 500... she'd be chum, literal fishfood.
This is why I'm not a fan of the range system in this game. It warps a players sense of distance so that they seem to think 1,000 feet is only 100 feet. Mental Distance Distortion of the imagination is a key part of why many players PK and TPK... they get too close and don't realize it until there is a big dang'um dragon directly in their faces. DM's are partly to blame for this, and the use of battle mats and dungeon tiles is part of the rest of it. :-/
All of that said... OH MY WORD THAT WAS HILARIOUS!!! 😂😂😂
I disagree. She was in wild shape when she hit the surf. At least at my table, her fish body would go splat, propmting the shapechanging magic to revert her form. But her actual body wouldn't be disfigured. She'd take the damage of course and would be dead because of it but not turned to mush as that body did not take the actual impact. I don't see written anywhere in the rules something happening at 3×Max HP damage, so this is up to the table's DM. You can rule it however you want at your table, of course, as that's kind of the point of D&D. I don't think it's a bad idea in general, in fact I like it. But because she was in wild shape at the time of impact I have a disagree here specifically.
That 22 Wisdom
I've seen this a few times now, and skipping through the video, it's VERY difficult to find a frame where Travis isn't laughing xD
My halfling-halforc jumped off a 60ft wall and polymorphed in to an Orca to kill a bunch of hobgoblins. I was thankfully able to get revived but man... I feel you Marisha. Gravity’s a bitch.
Also, if she hadn't used that Gust cantrip to get more clearance, she would've only suffered 30d6 (about 90ish damage on an average roll) from only hitting after 300ft. Literally everything she did just added more and more to her ultimate demise.
Just putting this out there, this was a 1000ft drop and Matt said it was 1d6/10ft, he said it was too many dice to roll because he rolled 100d6 on his phone just to see Keyleth’s body shatter against the rocks
@@stephenrussell1054 At about 0:50 seconds in Matt explains that the cliff is not completely vertical and Keyleth is going to hit the side of the cliff after falling only 300ft. After he finishes that explanation, Keyleth, at about the 1:13 mark, casts the Gust cantrip to push herself away from the side of the cliff in the hopes of landing in the ocean. As I said, had she not done this, she would have only taken 30d6 damage (somewhere between 90 and 120 on average, very survivable for her) from hitting after 300ft /instead/ of the 100d6 damage from hitting after falling the full 1000ft.
I was watching this live, and I knew she was going to hit rocks and probably die, based on Matt's wording, sure 50% chance but don't tempt fate ya'll. Sure there's the rule but terminal velocity rules me and my friend's house rules (physics books with Percy too) . So yeah.
Anyway I know it sounds bad... but as soon as I knew what happened (before she hit) I wanted them to fail the revive sooo bad. First permanent character death? For that? Aww man, that would have been amazing.
Those were the words thought about but in a different way.
"Keyleth. You are two failed saves from a permadead character. You JUST became the tempest! Do you really want this to be your-" (Splat).
agree. The lesson wasnt expensive enough. Only lost an item worth a few thousand gold. Thats nothing at that level.
The show would have suffered with a lame side quest to revive her. The realistic roleplay required for the show from the characters in reproach of her actions was enough. It's not like they don't take Matt's main story danger lightly, just silly shit like this.
They keep trying to sell her as this ultra-wise leader, but i'm not seeing it. Ever. Not once.
Good thing the campaign is over.
Matt kept amazing composure considering that his girlfriend made such a boneheaded decision.
"Maybe next time, turn into a bird?"
Lmao!!!
That always sunny... intro was perfect! good editing! :D
I just realized, they aren't using rules as written for the damage here. RAW maxes out at 20d6, which literally couldn't even knock her out if she was at full health. I mean, I'm perfectly okay with that, as RAW seems to think that you reach terminal velocity after falling only 200 feet, rather than approximately 1500 feet like it should. It should cap at 150d6.
I love Liam’s face...
Ahhh I've heard this talked about so much and only just looked it up. I'm dying from laughter!!!
That Travis laugh at 7:46 kills me every time.
When Taliesan began to die with laughter...
I think that this is the funniest death in any dnd game I have ever seen
The edit of this video had me in tears. The music and the title card are fucking incredible
Marisha: "It's fine we're gods..."
Travis: "Why would you even tempt that?..."
Matt: Keyleth scatters across the rocks and just crumples into the surf and is floating [dead]
This sums up Keyleth so much. I don't understand how she has a 22 wisdom score
Wisdom =/= Intelligence. Also she's played by Marisha who, unfortunately, is impulsive and prone to doing stupid things she thinks she can get away with, or did you miss all those times she keeps getting arrested or in trouble? xD
Keyleth has a 22 Wisdom. Marisha failed her Wisdom check.
Voice of the tempest: Imaa yeet me self
Couldn't she turn into a bird?
Lenny Lynch yeah
Or a larger fish
Because Marisha has wisdom score of around 5 or 6...
Fisho D Something people seem to forget is that one, we are ALL human, and being human means we WILL make mistakes. Two, playing Druid is COMPLICATED, FFS you have to keep track of every animal you’ve ever come across, know the stats for said beast, not to mention that what animals you’d likely know are impossible to find without Xanathars guide to everything. Three, Keyleth projects a different kind of wisdom than what people expect. She’s very knowledgeable about nature and how the forces of said nature work, yet she was sheltered heavily as a child. Vox Machina we’re probably Keyleths first friends that weren’t magic, plants, or animals. So let’s be honest, we’ve all both done dumb shit for and with our friends. Probably in the attempt to impress them.
@@giraffedragon6110 cool devil's advocate speech, but come on dude, this was a fuck up, it was funny, and they recovered from it. It wasn't because Druids are hard, She wasn't RP-ing a reckless moment, it was just a dumb move on Marisha's part. And it was legendary.
I just love the face of laura, its like she really sees it in her head.!
I was expecting Matt to say "when you pick up... What was keyleth is now more like picking up a thrashed and mottled skin suit half filled with gravel that split at the seams.
I watched this live and died laughing! I could not take it!
I’m only laughing because Travis got such a kick out of this lol. When we hit this in the animated show, Grog needs to be laughing through all of this.
Keyleth’s last words “We’re gods!”
I love Liam's reactions throughout this. He simply cannot believe that this happened. He is going through an emotional roller-coaster.
Marisha Ray the frat house bro of the group.
3:03 "We're Gods!" Button
Travis' joy is so real.
"i'm sTARTING TO SWEAT"
No more orange marmalade for me.
I didn't know much about D&D when I found this. I had assumed she turned into a goldfish cause that was what she was limited to. So when I found out she could have turned into a bird I was like "YOU COULD DO THAT AND YOU PICKED GOLDFISH?!" XD
Travis dying of laughter is the best. Good example of a player making an incredibly stupid decision and paying for it. Glad Matt didn't pull punches on this one, she needed to die. Who the fuck thinks it's a good idea to jump off a 300+ foot cliff I dont care how many HP you have
Keylith really showing off that 22 wis there
My favorite thing about this is Travis constantly cracking Marisha with his reaction to all the insanity.
Travis is everything in this clip. XD
omg that always sunny intro just gets me everytime