It’s WAAAAAAY past the time to worry… at that point you just give up. It’s not like you can do better than the emperor… if he doesn’t know, you most certainly don’t know.
Also shows the Emperor was not even good at being a tactician, strategist, statesman, parent, being led around by precognitent visions interpreted by a willfully dispassionate jaded and biased mind... that, for all he knew, were being plied by Tzeentch the whole time. He literally did not know how to solve the problem, if he did not already know the answer.
“Horus has doomed humanity! Surely you had a plan for this?” Big E, who conveniently forgot all the scenarios of the Primarchs turning traitor he had spent decades preparing for: “fuck if I know.”
“Conveniently.” My brother in the emperor. Horus and EIGHT other Primarchs had turned traitor, that is a total of 9 primarchs, billions of daemons and chaos cultists, hundreds of thousands of chaos space marines and hundreds of chaos titans along with the entirety of the mechanicum. Call me what you want, the emperor probably had a contingency for Horus, but not for a betrayal this big.
@@HodronHoxton2.0my loyalist brother, he has spent centuries planning everything out. It would NOT be hard at all to assume a great many of his primarches could turn against him. Hope for the best, but plan for the worst
@@mysticalseapotato8303 While true, the sheer amount of things going wrong at once is hard to prepare for. Half of his Primarchs with most of their forces turned against him and were able to decide the circumstances of the first few decisive battles leading in overwhelming victories. Add most of the Mechanicum turning. Doesn't help that he and his most elite force (the Custodes) were unable to act due to Magnus' little oopsie thanks to uncle Tzeentch. Now you could make a solid argument for his initial reaction being flawed, but remember he acted on limited information. He thought through many scenarios, but he wasn't aware which scenario was actually taking place.
@@HodronHoxton2.0 thats also what I think is left of the emperors humanity. His ability to fail. He has lived for so long and done so much, but he’s still human and humans fail.
@@grumpymonk2460 in a way, he is a trashy single mom that leads to delinquent sons. but he is a man version of it ofc which makes it harder to see. he should've gotten them a thicc psyker mommy.
Honestly the Emperor wasn’t really a person, he was the ultimate chameleon, he would say to you what he believed you wanted to hear, that’s why his behaviour changes wildly throughout the Great Crusade When speaking with a Techpreist whilst examining Angron’s brain he acts the cold, detached scientist, when speaking to one of the Primarchs he may appear as pillar of strength, a kind guiding hand, a vicious warrior, a hearty drunk, a philosopher or a strategist, the cunning spymaster, the ultimate pillar of justice, all of it true, whilst none of it being genuine The ONLY person he’s ever 100% real with is Malcador, and then to a much lesser extent his Custodies, but even to his custodians he never tells them the full truth, a lie of omission is still a lie and the Emperor omits a lot of information from 99.999999% of people in his council The closest you’ll ever get to the “Genuine” Emperor is his conversation with Guilliman, where it was a thousand voices, a thousand faces, all speaking, all silent, a voice for every opinion, every scenario, the only difference between the Emperor now and the Emperor before he was interred on the Golden Throne is that now he can no longer filter the voices to express the one that’d be the most beneficial to his cause, and instead they ALL come out at once, to such a degree that only a Primarch would be able to withstand direct contact with his mind We know that the experience of simply meeting the Emperor upon the Golden Throne is such a physically stressful experience for baseline humanity, that when the founding sisters of the Adeptus Sororitas met with the Emperor they left the meeting with bleached white hair Even Custodies can only be in his presence for a few short years before they have to be rotated out
The funny thing is The Emporer Told Perterabo this woukd happen. That if the Emporer's plan failed it woukd fall into a near endless, chaotic stagnation
My favorite part about this moment is that it wasn't Horus that gave the Emperor this crisis of faith. It was Magnus. Magnus's attempt to warn the Emperor of Horus's betrayal, in complete good will, destroyed the psychic wards protecting Terra's webway gate and allowed Chaos to rip a lesser Eye of Terror into it, just on the other side of the gate and ready to consume Terra if it ever broke free, which it eventually would no matter what the Emperor did to delay it with the Golden Throne. Magnus only wanted to serve, to protect his so-called father, and in his haste he doomed humanity. All of humanity. Forever. Horus was just an extra crap on the Emperor's plate to deal with at this point.
@@Negan-lo7yr Magnus couldn't at first, he was too weak to break them, he should've taken idea, ''Wait, father is psychic clearly this must be a shield!", however he kept trying to break in to no avail until an ''Unknown" entity aided him by giving him enough power to break through, however what happened also was the invasion of demons in the imperial webway
@@nikik5567 he should have told Magnus, or even had him of Terra for the webway project. Should have given the Primarchs a heads up about the warp. Should have sent someone other than Russ to get Magnus.
@@somethinglikethat2176 magnus had plenty of opportunity to not break the wards. He literally was stopped by them and realized they must be there for an important reason before his hubris took over and he smashed through them. Yeah it *might* have helped if he’d been told, as is he knew he was breaking the wards and destroying something his father had made. Furthermore sending Russ was fine, horus fucked up that whole deal, don’t pin that on the emperor. Even Valdor had gone and was convinced that the Big E changed his mind.
@@somethinglikethat2176 Again, like all the lore experts say. The Warp is a Cancer. Just the knowledge of it, even the smallest detail must be met with the highest contempt or else it will spread. Big E had millions of years mastering that skill, to not be swayed by Chaos. And you think 20 sons that was kidnapped from birth and never learned those lessons are able to not get curious or swayed by Chaos? Lorgar himself was a lost cause but yet the Emperor loved him like a son to not just discard him like a broken tool and hoped that by learning he will change.
Considering all water HAS to be shipped from off world, that's not much of a stretch while holding back a giant ass rift to demon realm hq. Because fun fact all "rain" on Terra is just clouds of acid.
@@TrehlasHorus was tricked into believing that the emperor would be the literal ruin of humanity, fueled by the suspicions him and many brothers had about the Emperor hiding his plans from his sons, the transfer of power to greedy corrupt nobles, and the slaughter of the thunder warriors before them. Seeing the visions of a god-emperor ruling a stagnant and broken civilization was everything Horus and his brothers were fighting against. Add in chaos mind fucking and a trusted brother telling you these things as he literally saves your life, Horus thought he was right. Granted joining Chaos was inexcusable but I’m sure you can say the four chaos gods all wearing him down mentally is a good reason for that.
More like a story from the old creepypastas, the russian experiment or something, where a man was cut from all his senses so he may be able to reach God, the experiment succeded, the guy spoke with God and He abandoned humanity
"If you don't know, maybe you could have a brainstorming session with the Primarchs?" "Mmmhhhh...no, I think I'll give someone a big 'destroy the Imperium' button and call it a day."
Custode: Sir... you were rambling once that you're actually a nerd playing a game. Couldn't you just... Big E, brow pressed to forehead: We're on hardcore mode
@@SquaulDuNeant I wouldn't call it bad writing because magnus lacked the strongest thing in the 40k universe: Fucking humility. Magnus thought he knew better, so when he wanted to warn the emperor besides being faster he believed that if he used his powers to warn him he could accomplish both of his goals: Warn the emperor and prove that psykers aren't all that bad. Even when he was met with the protective runes "that kept things outside" he persisted and accepted the help of a warp entity because he didn't believe that the warp was ingerently malevolent. Also Emperor didn't expect his smartest son, the one that had the most knowledge of the warp to act in such a dumb manner which is kinda realistic. What is bad writing is the council of nikea. It was basically railroaded into having a very specific outcome while not justifying why it had said outcome.
I've got a plan Big-E. Go to a few Necron Tomb Worlds, hunt down one of those giant planet ships that can casually close the eye of terror like Amarkun used in Battlefleet Gothic 2, and use those to put chaos back in it's box. :D
@@Melanesian-dude Big-E's plan was to bring the psykers into the webway to prevent just that. Humanity is a psychic race and there's no stopping that. They're not like Navigators who you could theoretically eradicate to permanent extinction. Also y'know... the Big E's a psyker too.
The problem is the method of FTL travel and the sheer amount of humans. The Webway travel is to cutoff Humans from the warp by isolated multiple generations from warp expose. After that Chaos will have a very hard time to influence Humans.
"chaos will forever be a cancer" wait untill bro finds out about necrons shutting chaos down comoletely before his birth and nids scaring the shit out of chaos
He is putting hope and faith in the hands of the dying and the Damned not this millennia, maybe not next millennia, But 1 day humanity will fall and until that day, the emperor is giving Humanity his final gift his hope his faith. So Humanity may think that they still have a chance.
And the throne is failing with no way of repairing it, the Emporer is dying, the Imperium is collapsing in on itself and is infesed with rot and corruption only being kept alive by hopes and dreams Yeah it's really going well and as planned, it's also definitely not destined to fall in the near future
@@_Chaosnight_ Being put on the golden throne was a contingency plan for the Emperor. We know it from the end and the death vol 2. We know that Chaos failed to achieve victory just as much as the Emperor did, they were forced into this stalemate. We still do not know how that contingecy plan is supposed to end like, but we can speculate that the Emperor getting fed and powered by all of humanity for 10 000 years to the point that he can break chaos gods one at a time is a big part of it.
@@adorablecenturion8436 The only "hope" mankind has is that the emperor actually "ascends" a real chaos god and transcends madness to quell the corruption of the warp. The throne is failing and the emperor's mortal live edges ever closer to true death & hopefully a rebirth or merely the end the Emperor predicted catching up to Mankind in the end.
That's why Olanus shouldn't have been touched. It should have just been one rando the Emperor didn't know from adam. Some mere human never even meant to be there that did the right thing, giving him the hope and resolve to end Horus and keep going. Bloody fool writers.
A few of his boys turned mean along with 50% of his grandsons they then proceeded to kill most of his boys that didn’t turn mean and also convinced those weird tech cult guys to come with them, and also proceeded do a shit ton of war drugs yeah I’d like to see anybody be affective in that situation
The boys are irrelevant not sure why that isn't obvious to you, it's the gods that are the problem. He still needed time to enact his whatever plan to kill them or weaken them but it's hard to do that while half your army backed up by infinite legions of daemons are bearing down on you.
I think it's because his seen this cycle and is tired of it. He made the empire without having a major revolt for over thousands of years. And now in the Heresy it showed him that human nature will always come back.
Horus Heresy really is a tragedy. Nobody deserved what they got (good or bad), everything went wrong, so many misunderstandings, people not talking things out and everybody making huge mistakes from the beginning to the end. It's sad
And the cherry on top this is entirely the emperor’s fault he refused to see the primarchs as anything other that tools and didn’t care for their feelings
It's weird to say this cause by the time the emperor had found his children they were all man already and had created lives in their homeworlds some better then others so when horus had his little temperamental outburst about the discovery of the chaos gods and the idea of creating a new government getting rid of the imperium of man and giving normals humans the ability to command the primarchs horus couldn't accept that cause he was the most pathetic out of all of them and In return had ruined everything the emperor built for humanity the emperor is not at fault here he gave them power and leadership and a goal that could lead to enternal peace horus rejected it and ruined humanities chance of winning the war
Emperor: The fuck i know? I thought these "Children" things usually obey what their maker tells them. Malcadore: well maybe you should have given a functioning brain to more of them rather than just Guilliman, Vulkan and Jagatai
Count Ferrus, Dorn, Sanguinius and Horus in that list too The emperor evidently put a lot of trust in Ferrus even consulting him about his brothers and their potential in military affairs, trusted Dorn and Sanguinius enough to have them back him up when they went to face Horus on the vengeful spirit and before he went full chaos psycho Horus was ostensibly respected and beloved by all including his father
@@CH3353N1NJ45 Incompressible Screeching and Bloodthirst, and then Irrelevant jealousy fueled rants about Dorn. I don't think hearing out any of these helps anyone
"...despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt. We do not. It is wisdom to recognize necessity, when all other courses have been weighed, though as folly it may appear to those who cling to false hope." An answer from a masterful author who truly grasped good morality. A great antidote to the nihilism that has infected modern writing/storytelling.
@@whitewall2253 yes it seems so. Probably an oversight of the original creators, unless they wanted to make it nihilistic. It's a big reason why I liked the early HH novels: the conflict between the spiritually dead view, and the spiritually alive view. Now that the franchise seems to be going in a particular way though. I think it's time for me to grow up and begin really investing myself in IRL spirituality through the Orthodox Church. The liturgical elements that are in the Imperium during the 41st millennium really appealed to a deep part of my soul, and to see the real, transcendent version does exist fills me with anticipation. I can hardly wait to take up my place in that eternal order. I hope it is the same for many other fans of Warhammer.
@@boggeddown778 Hell fucking no, I'd rather not have to worry about 4 sentient immaterial emotion cancers to worry about and that every travel is a 100 side dice where anything bellow 20 sucks major ass.
I mean I kinda get it from his POV especially the amount of crap he went through to even get to the point he was even able to to leave Terra even I would be paroined when I literaly just watched human civilisation coalpse 5 minutes ago and your the only guy left who has t pick up the pieaces. Especially since half of his commander's bar him being a crappy father weren't really trust worthy long term to begin with . This doesn't excuse most of BigE failures but I want to understand his point of view especially since when we never get to see that . And what pushed him to that point and just how much BS he had seen through out his life and when you take in to account. You Imdidiaty realise the Emperor is just a tired old man who had carried the people around him his entire life and and at this point is to exhausted to care and is simply not as young as he used to be as the bit of life that was left in him was dried up a long time ago. At this point his just clocking in to a monotones job but somebody's gotta do it. I understand.
You can argue what things if any are the Emperor's fault or not, but it's worth noting that a major inspiration for 40k is Dune, and an unmistakably core tenet of Dune is that no individual, no matter how competent, mystically informed and persuasive, can or should rule. The Emperor's flaw is Paul Atreides flaw: succumbing to your own hype to single-handedly fix the future that only you can see
there are pros and cons with rule of one, there are also a different set of pros and cons with the rule of many. the best way is adopt the system that suits your current environment. as the romans did back when they are a republic.
I feel the biggest issue is that the enemy is literal gods whom have unfathomable powers, can corrupt those who simply know of it's existence and is always on the attack that. Which goes against the dune aspect since more people knowing inevitably leads to more people falling from hubris or arrogance and get corrupted by chaos
I'm convinced he could've easily solved all the problems, but realised that he'd be spending eternity fixing humanity's problems, cause the virtues of chaos are simply part of them, not a cancer. So he said fuck it, let's not draw it out endlessly. Cause let's be real, there were plenty signs long enough and his own raw power was more than enough to react accordingly. He could've, if he wanted.
I love the people going "its the emperor's fault" while blatantly ignoring the entire first heratic and horus rising books...nah erabus and the mental deterioration of horus after the interex got their shit stolen...hell you could argue the planet murder fucked up the plan to...of also magnus fucked up hard....and those going "his treatment of his sons was what caused this" again ignoring eridua and her yeet into the warp and the horrible places these primarchs end up...shit konrad got completely fucked by nostromo no emperor needed...i feel the emperor just kinda let their personalities ride cause he just didn't have time amd to correct them would look like weakness....my only true grief with the emperor was aending out tax collecters and having horus as the only warmaster....you got 18 delegate a little.
The Emperor caused Horus. Blaming Horus and not seeing how the Emperor created Horus is foolish. Just like what was said, there was always going to be another Horus. The Emperor and his braindead followers caused all of this. They signed humanity's death warrant and fall into fascism. Blaming Horus? That is what one of the braindead followers would do. Falling for fictional propaganda is kinda embarassing ngl.
"i don't know" In the mouth of a normal human completely: normal sentence In the mouth of the emperor: will put the fear of God and of the Devil even in the heart of Constantine Valdor
Warhammer 40k ending.. Emperor dies on the throne - and the humans lose nearly all hope. Warhammer 50k - big boi Emps comes back, but there’s so much work to be done. Tyranids everywhere, Ork Warg the biggest on its way.. The Tau shit their pants. It will be glorious.
Emperor: It’s over, I don’t know what to do. *Diocletian loading primarch killing rounds* Diocletian: So I’m going to start with Horus, and work my way to the Chaos gods, you coming?
What I love about the Custodes is that they never kneel to primarchs and will call them by their first name. The only person (note I say person) that they kneel to is is the Emperor.
thing is this is what he was contemplating before Magnus and Horus screwed it up. back then it would have been a winning move but after 10000 years it is a move that would just delay the inevitable defeat
And in that moment of despair, more Imperious than ever, he failed his most vital test. Emperor yes. Master, undoubtedly. But Man? Unworthy. Man deserved better then these broken kings and princes.
@@pugs4life241 ADB has earned a reputation as writing the Emperor really poorly, likely motivated by personal dislike of the character. (As has been said by ADB.)
*I like how newer novels have some hope shining through as Primarchs are starting to return, having learned and grown. If the Primarchs have anything over the Emperor, it's that they still have the will to face the unknown and bite, claw, and scream their way back up from oblivion.
Yeah but that's the thing without the web way Humanity is doomed eventually so unless the Emperor returns as he was before to start another project somewhere or the imperium is hard carried by the Eldar there is legitimately no chance for humanity
The xenos races took advantage of humanity's destruction after the men of iron when they needed the aid and resources the most, there are actual reason why the Great Crusade was the way it was and the imperium that followed suit
@@Ben-jl2rh the AI made by humanity turned on their creators for reasons unknown (common theory is chaos corruption since AI is susceptible to chaos manipulation) and humanity barely scraped by and won. Many of the Xenos races, including allies, turned on humanity and destroyed or enslaved surviving colonies. Then warp storms hit the scene isolating the survivors. Roughly 10k years the colonies were full on survival mode. Psykers started to pop up making the situation even worse. Terra was supposedly so bad that it took big E longer to conquer it than the galaxy.
As superhuman as the emperor is. In all his nigh-infinite wisdom and intelligence, his near-perfect planning, and his almost omnipotent power. One must not forget the fact, that he's not perfect, all powerful or all knowing. But most damning of all, he is still human.
I desperately want somebody to call big E out on his bullshit in cannon. He sets up his ‘sons’ so that the least necessary will be the ones to fall, puts on a show of doom and gloom to everyone presumably to motivate them by spite, and sets up the imperium to end up the way it is. Is he incompetent or callous or both? Because more and more it seems like humanity might have been better off without him in the long run. He made them think he was indispensable, was dispensed, and it’s mad at everyone for struggling without his guidance.
I don't think the Emperor purposely set them up as 20 minutes of thinking pretty hard about does it stop making sense. Especially when you realize the Emperor is more of a plot device whos willing to contradict himself and even shoot himself in a leg even though he could have pointed the gun slightly a bit far away, even if it goes against his character and personality as his totally willing to break his own knee caps because the writers told him to. There's a different between being a product of your own hubris and flaws and GW genuinely not caring and using the E as a lab rat gunie pig to try and come up with BS reasons to keep the plot going. As when you exeimin all his descions it's less of BigE being an idiot and GW genuinely not knowing what to do when it comes to kicking of a certain plot thread as the Emperor of screen is making logical descion that prove he really is a 40 thousand year old human with expensive knowledge though a bit cold due to age. But the problem is that the Emperor is the heart both good or bad of the setting and literaly nothing can happen with out him somehoe being involved. So in order to make logical sense the end up flip flopping back to BigE find a way to insert him in a situation even though it's straight up impossible to even be at that place at that time, make him move the plot that showcases him either being a genuis or an idiot depending on what kind of influence is needed, despite making no sense how he even got there or what his even doing there to begim with than leaving. The more you exeimin this pattern though most of his descions being self inflicted it makes no sense to have made at the every least half of those descions, and may be just maybe do we all collectively realize his a product of some pretty crappy writing and a product of the writers civil war that breaks of a GW almost every week as they can't decide on how to write there lore. Leading to the most constitutive BS character descions that go beyond there flaws and there previous actions. I'm not defending the dude as I really don't like the Emperor for similar reasons as you. But I've been part if the fandom long enough to know his been beating to a bloody pulp because of GW crappy inconsistent writing and I'm really just trying to show case that.
@@CopeSeethorntin The "Crappy inconsistent writing" is a product of having to write a story that is already finished but you are trying to fill in the blanks. It is really hard to do that as a single author but especially impossible if you have multiple authors.
@@klaykid117 As you say not his fault but chaos, the alternative would have been the slow death of humanity until the necrons or tyrannids showed up to finish us, he and the primarch reunited humanity and created the empire that is the sole reason we still are standing and coul have a chance
@@Quetzietse your mind is rotted by politics you sad tourist, give me one way humanity could survive the necrons and tyrannids without the reunification and great crusade
@@thesilentgod7863 It is the context on why the decision was made. Taking only that into account, it may seem superficial. But if you understand how pseudo-inclusivity is poisoning our society, then you will get why many of them are mad. If you think I am being ridiculous, remember that we already have the Adeptus Sorroritas and Female Guardsmen. Why do they need to add Female Custodes?
What if a HALO ring array was unleashed upon the Warhammer 40k universe? Would the warp entities and tyranids face starvation and death if most organic life had been destroyed?
The warp demons live off of the belief of their existence, and the tyranids need biomass. So in theory if all life was destroyed they would slowly dwindle into oblivion
In halo lore the rings didn't destroy flesh it just melted the nervous systems of any entity within its range. Chaos would die off because theres no one left to worship them or corrupt. All the races in the galaxy would get wiped out. Any tyranid fleets within the blast radius would die as well. There wouldn't be time to adapt. The ones outside the galaxy would be able to claim all the biomass but would have to fight the necrons for it. The Tyranids probably would eventually lose to the necrons. By the time the fleets outside the galaxy make it in the necrons would have probably fully awoken as there wouldn't be anyone to stop them.
Orks would survive too, if you think about it. Every walking, talking boy gets halo'd sure, but spores would be functionally immune. No neurological systems yet. The entire species would get wiped to 0... then start rebounding back to full in a few weeks.
@@ambion19 True I didn't think about that. I suppose anyone within warp transit as well as the dark elder homeworld would be fine too but the dark eldar would be screwed because they have no one to torture or enslave and would have to deal with the necrons whos only enemies are now the primitive orcs with no one to fight and the remnants of Tyranids and imperium ships that exited warp space.
The Emperor, in his self-assured hubris, plucked the eyes from humanity’s collective skull in an attempt to blind them to Chaos rather than teach them what to look for and how to kill it. And in the process he turned nearly a third of his sons against him; another third already hated him for what he had done to them and their people.
What I love about this is previously people speculated that this was all the emperors plans that he intended to get on the throne and it was all planned from the start. But now we know humanity is fucked there is no greater plan there is no secret weapon of the emperor it’s just a slow defiant last stand of humanity
@@TheJakeblake even with the primarchs I’m not sure humanity can save itself. Also I don’t think the emperor will come back atleast not till 2045 before they change the setting that much it took them nearly 30 years to bring back gulliman
It's stated in lore that the emperor had a plan for if a primarch rebelled, for every primarch. He just didn't have a plan that covered a rebellion that fucking huge.
Damn, I just thought of a great idea for a short story, after everything is over and Terra lies burned the last custodian simply wanders the galaxy, desperate to find some new purpose
Alternatively: everything but a single custodian is dead, the galaxy is dominated by daemons, tyranids, and orks. So the Custodian is just like “fuck you, I’m leaving” and goes to another galaxy entirely
He actually is inspired by Diocletian's words. Unfortunately... this resulted in The Dark King. Big E: "Now we rage against the dying of the light." Diocletian says it cannot be this way. And the Big E asks, he truly asks. "What do you intend, Custodian?" Diocletian: "We kill Horus. We begin anew." Big E: "Another will take his place." Diocletian: "You are The Emperor of Mankind. We will rebuild under your guidance, my King." "My King."
@@Negan-lo7yr No, I don't wanna spoil anything so I'm putting it down low. I'm saying The Emperor took his custodes' words to heart; but it went wrong. The Big E almost chose to became a Chaos God to kill Horus. The Emperor, who's genuinely considering the words he's hearing, thinks that he would be capable of taking Horus' place. The Emperor begins supercharging himself with Warp energy, skirting the line between a material and warp being, and is moments away from actually becoming the 6th Chaos God; The Dark King. This is a key plot thread from The End and Death, it is why the Big E is weaker than Horus. The Emperor cast out the power.
You will end up In hell weather you fight or not when you die you go to the warp there is no heaven just the warp and the warp is hell so might as well right
This story arc was probably taken from The God Emperor of Dune where the ancient and wise emperor basically turned himself into a sand worm over thousands of years of gene modification , sacrificing his humanity and distancing everything and everyone he loved from his past even to a point where he was feared and hated and alone. And after thousands of years when the time was right he then allowed himself to be assassinated in a very painful way just to let his genetically modified body seed new life that was exterminated long ago. All part of his master plan to sacrifice himself to save mankind and restore space travel, since he could see the future.
Talk about generational trauma. Big E couldnt be bothered to be a father, instead focusing only on his career and seeing his sons as tools to be used and discarded. Now here we are 10,000 years later and shit is f*cked. Oh, and Erebis is a prick.
That depends. Possibly given that this is the emperor on the throne so he’s likely not able to regulate his power that well, but he’s communicated with plenty of normal humans via telepathy.
![[40k] When the Chaos Space Marine starts to make a profound argument (Sisters of Battle)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xYhcGMPdwMY/mqdefault.jpg)
When the Emperor of Mankind says "I don't know." It's definitely a time to worry.
Tbh, he had it coming
It’s WAAAAAAY past the time to worry… at that point you just give up. It’s not like you can do better than the emperor… if he doesn’t know, you most certainly don’t know.
@@gaebi Heretic
Go back in time all you Gotta do
@@gaebiwhat is a moral of this story?
Don't be a pice of shit dad especialy when your children don't have a mom.
I still believe that Emperor will return once Custodians collect all 40 000 warhammers
Then, the emperor will become THE Warhammer 40k
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No that's the salamander's with volcan Big E will return when they give him his text to speech device back
Don’t forget he has to collect the chaos badges in every solar system
“I don’t know…”
“Sir this is the most terrifying moment of my life.”
right ? Imagine your god going " I don't know". Thats enough to stun anyone to silence.
¨If i had fealing this is could be he most terrifying moment of my ridiculous long life¨
@@javiermichel7097 Fealing
"Welcome to my every waking moment. How's the view, Custodes?"
Also shows the Emperor was not even good at being a tactician, strategist, statesman, parent, being led around by precognitent visions interpreted by a willfully dispassionate jaded and biased mind... that, for all he knew, were being plied by Tzeentch the whole time.
He literally did not know how to solve the problem, if he did not already know the answer.
"It is so fucking over"-Said the Emperor
Underrated comment😂
it's Empover
Brootal
It's over Imperiumbros...
The imperium has fallen... Trillions must worship Chaos...
Anakin. Start panakin. I don’t have a planakin.
The darkside it is then😂
Anakin's Stuck between Sand and the High Ground now!
This has no right making me laugh the way it did 😂😂
This quote won, it needs more likes
@@Gman0387 direct from Shmanakin himself
“Horus has doomed humanity! Surely you had a plan for this?”
Big E, who conveniently forgot all the scenarios of the Primarchs turning traitor he had spent decades preparing for: “fuck if I know.”
“Conveniently.” My brother in the emperor. Horus and EIGHT other Primarchs had turned traitor, that is a total of 9 primarchs, billions of daemons and chaos cultists, hundreds of thousands of chaos space marines and hundreds of chaos titans along with the entirety of the mechanicum. Call me what you want, the emperor probably had a contingency for Horus, but not for a betrayal this big.
@@HodronHoxton2.0my loyalist brother, he has spent centuries planning everything out. It would NOT be hard at all to assume a great many of his primarches could turn against him. Hope for the best, but plan for the worst
@@mysticalseapotato8303
While true, the sheer amount of things going wrong at once is hard to prepare for.
Half of his Primarchs with most of their forces turned against him and were able to decide the circumstances of the first few decisive battles leading in overwhelming victories.
Add most of the Mechanicum turning.
Doesn't help that he and his most elite force (the Custodes) were unable to act due to Magnus' little oopsie thanks to uncle Tzeentch.
Now you could make a solid argument for his initial reaction being flawed, but remember he acted on limited information.
He thought through many scenarios, but he wasn't aware which scenario was actually taking place.
@@HodronHoxton2.0 The Dark King was the plan.
@@HodronHoxton2.0 thats also what I think is left of the emperors humanity. His ability to fail. He has lived for so long and done so much, but he’s still human and humans fail.
"We're fucked", Said the emperor calmly.
*There's nothing to be done, Napoleon edit as Emps* intesifies
He also said "Harry did you put your name into the Goblet of Fire!?" calmly.
The emperor really had a “ there’s nothing we can do” moment.
"Doživá, jupiže, jupijájo jopežu, jupivó, dorivá, kalenini amogu..."
Dude really acting like it wasn't all his fault and easily avoidable
rowboat girlyman: "Nah, I'd win"
Robust Guillichad
Robot Gullyman
hes more like
"Fine. I'll do it myself."
Roboute Gojoman
Tbh he is a better man than his father so he can actually win
You know shit is bad when the know it all guy with a massive ego just says "I don't know"
It was the moment Mr. Big E(go) knew, it was just his ego all along. He never knew from the start.
Like when Vegeta said "I'm sorry" after failing to kill cell.
despite his ego, he also realized the truth. humanity will die out, slowly and excruciatingly, and chaos will never be thwarted
maybe disappointment and heartbreak was the only parent-like emotion emperor felt
Well he wouldn’t need to feel that if he actually acted like a dad
@@stingerjohnny9951 he fathered more problems than legions fr fr no cap
@@Yusuf-ok5rkhe fathered the legions so still his fault?
@@grumpymonk2460 in a way, he is a trashy single mom that leads to delinquent sons. but he is a man version of it ofc which makes it harder to see. he should've gotten them a thicc psyker mommy.
Honestly the Emperor wasn’t really a person, he was the ultimate chameleon, he would say to you what he believed you wanted to hear, that’s why his behaviour changes wildly throughout the Great Crusade
When speaking with a Techpreist whilst examining Angron’s brain he acts the cold, detached scientist, when speaking to one of the Primarchs he may appear as pillar of strength, a kind guiding hand, a vicious warrior, a hearty drunk, a philosopher or a strategist, the cunning spymaster, the ultimate pillar of justice, all of it true, whilst none of it being genuine
The ONLY person he’s ever 100% real with is Malcador, and then to a much lesser extent his Custodies, but even to his custodians he never tells them the full truth, a lie of omission is still a lie and the Emperor omits a lot of information from 99.999999% of people in his council
The closest you’ll ever get to the “Genuine” Emperor is his conversation with Guilliman, where it was a thousand voices, a thousand faces, all speaking, all silent, a voice for every opinion, every scenario, the only difference between the Emperor now and the Emperor before he was interred on the Golden Throne is that now he can no longer filter the voices to express the one that’d be the most beneficial to his cause, and instead they ALL come out at once, to such a degree that only a Primarch would be able to withstand direct contact with his mind
We know that the experience of simply meeting the Emperor upon the Golden Throne is such a physically stressful experience for baseline humanity, that when the founding sisters of the Adeptus Sororitas met with the Emperor they left the meeting with bleached white hair
Even Custodies can only be in his presence for a few short years before they have to be rotated out
The funny thing is The Emporer Told Perterabo this woukd happen. That if the Emporer's plan failed it woukd fall into a near endless, chaotic stagnation
My favorite part about this moment is that it wasn't Horus that gave the Emperor this crisis of faith. It was Magnus. Magnus's attempt to warn the Emperor of Horus's betrayal, in complete good will, destroyed the psychic wards protecting Terra's webway gate and allowed Chaos to rip a lesser Eye of Terror into it, just on the other side of the gate and ready to consume Terra if it ever broke free, which it eventually would no matter what the Emperor did to delay it with the Golden Throne. Magnus only wanted to serve, to protect his so-called father, and in his haste he doomed humanity. All of humanity. Forever. Horus was just an extra crap on the Emperor's plate to deal with at this point.
So magnus destroyed these "psychic wards" not knowing of the danger? Seems silly.
oh, didn't know, so scary !
@@Negan-lo7yr i assume magnus didn't do it on purpose
@@Negan-lo7yr Magnus couldn't at first, he was too weak to break them, he should've taken idea, ''Wait, father is psychic clearly this must be a shield!", however he kept trying to break in to no avail until an ''Unknown" entity aided him by giving him enough power to break through, however what happened also was the invasion of demons in the imperial webway
Yep. Horus’s revolt was practically trivial to the emperor. It was Magnus’s folly that had permanently screwed them.
It was at this moment that He realized…
He fucked up
And he was finding out
More like magnus fucked up.
@@nikik5567 he should have told Magnus, or even had him of Terra for the webway project. Should have given the Primarchs a heads up about the warp. Should have sent someone other than Russ to get Magnus.
@@somethinglikethat2176 magnus had plenty of opportunity to not break the wards. He literally was stopped by them and realized they must be there for an important reason before his hubris took over and he smashed through them. Yeah it *might* have helped if he’d been told, as is he knew he was breaking the wards and destroying something his father had made.
Furthermore sending Russ was fine, horus fucked up that whole deal, don’t pin that on the emperor. Even Valdor had gone and was convinced that the Big E changed his mind.
@@somethinglikethat2176 Again, like all the lore experts say. The Warp is a Cancer.
Just the knowledge of it, even the smallest detail must be met with the highest contempt or else it will spread.
Big E had millions of years mastering that skill, to not be swayed by Chaos.
And you think 20 sons that was kidnapped from birth and never learned those lessons are able to not get curious or swayed by Chaos?
Lorgar himself was a lost cause but yet the Emperor loved him like a son to not just discard him like a broken tool and hoped that by learning he will change.
The emperor was having a bad day. The dude wasn't drinking enough water.
Obviously dehydrated
You hand him a little Vitamin-C packet and he has an aneurysm
He needs some gamer supps.
Considering all water HAS to be shipped from off world, that's not much of a stretch while holding back a giant ass rift to demon realm hq.
Because fun fact all "rain" on Terra is just clouds of acid.
Terra has no water!
The Emperor in all his glory: Nope
"Told you I'm not a god"
Puscifer - The Humbling River
While I understand the emperor wasn't a good dad to the primarchs who needed one. As a human: f*** you Horus.
Horus was corrupted if there’s someone to say “fuck you” to it’s Erebus.
@@MrFryTastic True. But I feel smited by Horus more.
@@RobertDecker417 Yeah, a lot of people are trying to pass the blame. Horus still could've just curb stomped Erebus for heresy. He didn't.
@@TrehlasHorus was tricked into believing that the emperor would be the literal ruin of humanity, fueled by the suspicions him and many brothers had about the Emperor hiding his plans from his sons, the transfer of power to greedy corrupt nobles, and the slaughter of the thunder warriors before them. Seeing the visions of a god-emperor ruling a stagnant and broken civilization was everything Horus and his brothers were fighting against. Add in chaos mind fucking and a trusted brother telling you these things as he literally saves your life, Horus thought he was right. Granted joining Chaos was inexcusable but I’m sure you can say the four chaos gods all wearing him down mentally is a good reason for that.
Fuck Horus, fuck lorgar, fuck erebus, fuck magnus, fuck tzeentch, basically fuck everyone
To a human from 40k, this is the equivalent of a Christian getting to speak directly to God and God himself saying "I don't know"... terrifying
Eh he's far from omnipotent like a true god is
Even his foresight has its caveats
@@hell1942but the normal human from for 40k most likely thinks of him as onipotent and omniscient
@@hell1942 Do you not know what comparison or analogy are?
@@HirineN and person from dark age of technology sees him for what he is. A fraud
More like a story from the old creepypastas, the russian experiment or something, where a man was cut from all his senses so he may be able to reach God, the experiment succeded, the guy spoke with God and He abandoned humanity
"If you don't know, maybe you could have a brainstorming session with the Primarchs?"
"Mmmhhhh...no, I think I'll give someone a big 'destroy the Imperium' button and call it a day."
Terminus Protocol: Hello!
"Time to open the save file"
-The emeperor
Custode: Sir... you were rambling once that you're actually a nerd playing a game. Couldn't you just...
Big E, brow pressed to forehead: We're on hardcore mode
I mean, the Ordo Chronus is a thing…
@@smokeyhoodoo hardcore mode LOL
I can't imagine how hard that custodian's gut hit hell with how far it dropped when the emperor said "I dont know"
Basically Big E was,
Horus rebelling: All according to plan
Magnus punches a hole in Terra’s warp shield: “Surprised Pickachu face”
I mean it WAS an immensely stupid move from one of his supposedly smartest sons
@@SpectralKnightand was so absolutely catastrophic it’s hard to plan for
@@SpectralKnight So can we call it scenarium and bad writing ?
Like how the fuck all this shit happened without a decent alternative like come on
@@SquaulDuNeant I wouldn't call it bad writing because magnus lacked the strongest thing in the 40k universe: Fucking humility.
Magnus thought he knew better, so when he wanted to warn the emperor besides being faster he believed that if he used his powers to warn him he could accomplish both of his goals: Warn the emperor and prove that psykers aren't all that bad. Even when he was met with the protective runes "that kept things outside" he persisted and accepted the help of a warp entity because he didn't believe that the warp was ingerently malevolent.
Also Emperor didn't expect his smartest son, the one that had the most knowledge of the warp to act in such a dumb manner which is kinda realistic.
What is bad writing is the council of nikea. It was basically railroaded into having a very specific outcome while not justifying why it had said outcome.
Emperor's last three words:
_"Game over, man"_
I've got a plan Big-E.
Go to a few Necron Tomb Worlds, hunt down one of those giant planet ships that can casually close the eye of terror like Amarkun used in Battlefleet Gothic 2, and use those to put chaos back in it's box. :D
and the psychers they're like warp magnets and the ruinous powers will still gain power through them
@@Melanesian-dude Big-E's plan was to bring the psykers into the webway to prevent just that.
Humanity is a psychic race and there's no stopping that. They're not like Navigators who you could theoretically eradicate to permanent extinction. Also y'know... the Big E's a psyker too.
last I checked, the Dark Throne is not canon. good idea though
The problem is the method of FTL travel and the sheer amount of humans. The Webway travel is to cutoff Humans from the warp by isolated multiple generations from warp expose. After that Chaos will have a very hard time to influence Humans.
"I don't know."
"Good, now you're remember what it's to be human again. So think of something."
Him and Kurze sharing this vibe is actually frightening
It's over, Empire has fallen, trillions must perish - Emps
Its Empover
And they did
"chaos will forever be a cancer" wait untill bro finds out about necrons shutting chaos down comoletely before his birth and nids scaring the shit out of chaos
Yet he still pressed on in who knows how long on the golden throne being the guiding star in the warp suffering to keep humanity alive and survive
He is putting hope and faith in the hands of the dying and the Damned not this millennia, maybe not next millennia, But 1 day humanity will fall and until that day, the emperor is giving Humanity his final gift his hope his faith. So Humanity may think that they still have a chance.
aha he doesnt have a choice
he's a maddened husk now
And the throne is failing with no way of repairing it, the Emporer is dying, the Imperium is collapsing in on itself and is infesed with rot and corruption only being kept alive by hopes and dreams
Yeah it's really going well and as planned, it's also definitely not destined to fall in the near future
@@_Chaosnight_ Being put on the golden throne was a contingency plan for the Emperor. We know it from the end and the death vol 2. We know that Chaos failed to achieve victory just as much as the Emperor did, they were forced into this stalemate. We still do not know how that contingecy plan is supposed to end like, but we can speculate that the Emperor getting fed and powered by all of humanity for 10 000 years to the point that he can break chaos gods one at a time is a big part of it.
@@adorablecenturion8436 The only "hope" mankind has is that the emperor actually "ascends" a real chaos god and transcends madness to quell the corruption of the warp. The throne is failing and the emperor's mortal live edges ever closer to true death & hopefully a rebirth or merely the end the Emperor predicted catching up to Mankind in the end.
So Big E is a Vtuber company CEO realizing his Idol dream is dead.
That's what happens when it's an all male vtuber company lol
At least his ragtag team of vtubers (also known as Horuslive) will provide amusement and drama to the masses for millennia to come
Still not as bad as Nijisanji
What is this referencing?
@@Kohl293 Selen Lupercal
this hopelessness follows him to his fight with Horus in which he is about to let himself die till one guardmens reminds him that hope never dies
That's why Olanus shouldn't have been touched. It should have just been one rando the Emperor didn't know from adam. Some mere human never even meant to be there that did the right thing, giving him the hope and resolve to end Horus and keep going. Bloody fool writers.
Damn, considering the relationship between the emperor and his custodes,
this is like your dad breaking down in tears in front of you.
All because ur step brother was a dumbass.
Big E reacting like batman when plastic man goes super villain
Started from zero, took Terra and a million other worlds in a few centuries, but a few of his boys turn mean and he just gives up.
The emperor is far more effective when he's offscreen.
A few of his boys turned mean along with 50% of his grandsons they then proceeded to kill most of his boys that didn’t turn mean and also convinced those weird tech cult guys to come with them, and also proceeded do a shit ton of war drugs yeah I’d like to see anybody be affective in that situation
The boys are irrelevant not sure why that isn't obvious to you, it's the gods that are the problem. He still needed time to enact his whatever plan to kill them or weaken them but it's hard to do that while half your army backed up by infinite legions of daemons are bearing down on you.
@@licensed_beheader Quitter talk.
I think it's because his seen this cycle and is tired of it. He made the empire without having a major revolt for over thousands of years. And now in the Heresy it showed him that human nature will always come back.
Horus Heresy really is a tragedy. Nobody deserved what they got (good or bad), everything went wrong, so many misunderstandings, people not talking things out and everybody making huge mistakes from the beginning to the end. It's sad
not Erebus, F Erebus
Erebus, that little shit! 😆
Just like IRL.
Hardly any real culprits, just endless waves of massive misunderstandings culminating in massive bloodshed.
The last thing he said before being put on the golden throne was: "GG"
"Turning that Daemon into sword was POG, Vengeful Spirit was not."
And the cherry on top this is entirely the emperor’s fault he refused to see the primarchs as anything other that tools and didn’t care for their feelings
Horus wasn't a tool yet he fell
Nah it's Erdas fault now
Thats making a big assumption that if he had catered to their feelings more that would have fixed or prevented anything
It's weird to say this cause by the time the emperor had found his children they were all man already and had created lives in their homeworlds some better then others so when horus had his little temperamental outburst about the discovery of the chaos gods and the idea of creating a new government getting rid of the imperium of man and giving normals humans the ability to command the primarchs horus couldn't accept that cause he was the most pathetic out of all of them and In return had ruined everything the emperor built for humanity the emperor is not at fault here he gave them power and leadership and a goal that could lead to enternal peace horus rejected it and ruined humanities chance of winning the war
Wasn't expecting half of them being total manchildren
Emperor: The fuck i know? I thought these "Children" things usually obey what their maker tells them.
Malcadore: well maybe you should have given a functioning brain to more of them rather than just Guilliman, Vulkan and Jagatai
Count Ferrus, Dorn, Sanguinius and Horus in that list too
The emperor evidently put a lot of trust in Ferrus even consulting him about his brothers and their potential in military affairs, trusted Dorn and Sanguinius enough to have them back him up when they went to face Horus on the vengeful spirit and before he went full chaos psycho Horus was ostensibly respected and beloved by all including his father
More like common sense
Maybe hear out Angron and Perterabo
@@CH3353N1NJ45 Incompressible Screeching and Bloodthirst, and then Irrelevant jealousy fueled rants about Dorn.
I don't think hearing out any of these helps anyone
"...despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt. We do not. It is wisdom to recognize necessity, when all other courses have been weighed, though as folly it may appear to those who cling to false hope."
An answer from a masterful author who truly grasped good morality. A great antidote to the nihilism that has infected modern writing/storytelling.
The Emperors own Imperium was Nihilism personified, a humanity without humanity.
@@whitewall2253 yes it seems so. Probably an oversight of the original creators, unless they wanted to make it nihilistic. It's a big reason why I liked the early HH novels: the conflict between the spiritually dead view, and the spiritually alive view.
Now that the franchise seems to be going in a particular way though. I think it's time for me to grow up and begin really investing myself in IRL spirituality through the Orthodox Church. The liturgical elements that are in the Imperium during the 41st millennium really appealed to a deep part of my soul, and to see the real, transcendent version does exist fills me with anticipation. I can hardly wait to take up my place in that eternal order.
I hope it is the same for many other fans of Warhammer.
@@boggeddown778 Hell fucking no, I'd rather not have to worry about 4 sentient immaterial emotion cancers to worry about and that every travel is a 100 side dice where anything bellow 20 sucks major ass.
@@Aureonw spiritual evil exists, regardless of what we might want.
@@boggeddown778there is no evil, only actions
Emperor: I dont know...
Guilliman: But I do.
To the excel spreadsheets!!
*trumpets*
Fear not, Father! I have a pivot table for this!
And this, kids, is what you get, when your whole game plan is basically "I will just lie to everyone forever!". It *never* works.
I mean I kinda get it from his POV especially the amount of crap he went through to even get to the point he was even able to to leave Terra even I would be paroined when I literaly just watched human civilisation coalpse 5 minutes ago and your the only guy left who has t pick up the pieaces. Especially since half of his commander's bar him being a crappy father weren't really trust worthy long term to begin with .
This doesn't excuse most of BigE failures but I want to understand his point of view especially since when we never get to see that . And what pushed him to that point and just how much BS he had seen through out his life and when you take in to account. You Imdidiaty realise the Emperor is just a tired old man who had carried the people around him his entire life and and at this point is to exhausted to care and is simply not as young as he used to be as the bit of life that was left in him was dried up a long time ago. At this point his just clocking in to a monotones job but somebody's gotta do it.
I understand.
Big E: I don't know
Custodians: Wait, WHAT?!
Big E is eating those blackpills.
“damn we’re cooked” - the emperor
"ImperiumBros it's so over" Emps, probably
You can argue what things if any are the Emperor's fault or not, but it's worth noting that a major inspiration for 40k is Dune, and an unmistakably core tenet of Dune is that no individual, no matter how competent, mystically informed and persuasive, can or should rule.
The Emperor's flaw is Paul Atreides flaw: succumbing to your own hype to single-handedly fix the future that only you can see
there are pros and cons with rule of one, there are also a different set of pros and cons with the rule of many. the best way is adopt the system that suits your current environment. as the romans did back when they are a republic.
I feel the biggest issue is that the enemy is literal gods whom have unfathomable powers, can corrupt those who simply know of it's existence and is always on the attack that.
Which goes against the dune aspect since more people knowing inevitably leads to more people falling from hubris or arrogance and get corrupted by chaos
Warhammer 40k does not draw inspiration from dune, rather from warhammer fantasy.
@@StinkPete dude delete this comment now before you get laughed at
@@StinkPete you're right. 40k draws inspiration from Warhammer Fantasy and instead it merely ripped off Dune and much more.
I'm convinced he could've easily solved all the problems, but realised that he'd be spending eternity fixing humanity's problems, cause the virtues of chaos are simply part of them, not a cancer.
So he said fuck it, let's not draw it out endlessly.
Cause let's be real, there were plenty signs long enough and his own raw power was more than enough to react accordingly. He could've, if he wanted.
When I read "I don't know." I had actual chills
I love the people going "its the emperor's fault" while blatantly ignoring the entire first heratic and horus rising books...nah erabus and the mental deterioration of horus after the interex got their shit stolen...hell you could argue the planet murder fucked up the plan to...of also magnus fucked up hard....and those going "his treatment of his sons was what caused this" again ignoring eridua and her yeet into the warp and the horrible places these primarchs end up...shit konrad got completely fucked by nostromo no emperor needed...i feel the emperor just kinda let their personalities ride cause he just didn't have time amd to correct them would look like weakness....my only true grief with the emperor was aending out tax collecters and having horus as the only warmaster....you got 18 delegate a little.
It's not ALL his fault but he is a key reason why the galaxy of 40k sucks so much.
The Emperor caused Horus. Blaming Horus and not seeing how the Emperor created Horus is foolish. Just like what was said, there was always going to be another Horus. The Emperor and his braindead followers caused all of this. They signed humanity's death warrant and fall into fascism. Blaming Horus? That is what one of the braindead followers would do. Falling for fictional propaganda is kinda embarassing ngl.
She is NOT canon
@@curzethemall she is literally in the last three horus heresy books
"i don't know"
In the mouth of a normal human completely: normal sentence
In the mouth of the emperor: will put the fear of God and of the Devil even in the heart of Constantine Valdor
Meanwhile, Guilliman:
Git'er done.
Warhammer 40k ending.. Emperor dies on the throne - and the humans lose nearly all hope.
Warhammer 50k - big boi Emps comes back, but there’s so much work to be done.
Tyranids everywhere, Ork Warg the biggest on its way.. The Tau shit their pants.
It will be glorious.
One can only hope, brother.
"I don't know"
"Well isn't that exciting"
The sheer terror when God looks at you and goes “yea I don’t know bruh,we’re fucked”
God saying “I don’t know” is terrifying.
"Well... arse nuggets!" -The Emperor
Emperor: It’s over, I don’t know what to do.
*Diocletian loading primarch killing rounds*
Diocletian: So I’m going to start with Horus, and work my way to the Chaos gods, you coming?
"I don't know." - The Emperor when asked if he likes his lab rats.
We win by not giving up. That is what Humans do. We persist.
The problem is, the enemy are other humans.
@@Scobragonand literal demons , and space bugs… , and angry giant mushrooms that warp reality……. , ……and ourselves…….
That moment as a kid when you find out your parents don’t know everything and are, in fact, just people as well.
That’s what that Custodian felt.
All those wisdom and power but no parenting skills.
What I love about the Custodes is that they never kneel to primarchs and will call them by their first name. The only person (note I say person) that they kneel to is is the Emperor.
the answer is simple gather all human race and pray a belief so powerful it forms the dead emperor into a god in the warp is such a thing possible
idk if this is serious or not so spoilers below
This is basically what happens.
thing is this is what he was contemplating before Magnus and Horus screwed it up. back then it would have been a winning move but after 10000 years it is a move that would just delay the inevitable defeat
That's stupid.
And in that moment of despair, more Imperious than ever, he failed his most vital test.
Emperor yes.
Master, undoubtedly.
But Man? Unworthy.
Man deserved better then these broken kings and princes.
Whoever wrote this book, is not qualified to put words in the mouth of The Emperor
Considering it was ADB i think a lot will agree 😂
@@nyet_maker7948 what did that author write that was bad? I'm not familiar with him
@@pugs4life241 ADB has earned a reputation as writing the Emperor really poorly, likely motivated by personal dislike of the character. (As has been said by ADB.)
*I like how newer novels have some hope shining through as Primarchs are starting to return, having learned and grown.
If the Primarchs have anything over the Emperor, it's that they still have the will to face the unknown and bite, claw, and scream their way back up from oblivion.
Since the great rift has spread the emperor has taken a much more active role in aiding the imperium through guiliman
Yeah but that's the thing without the web way Humanity is doomed eventually so unless the Emperor returns as he was before to start another project somewhere or the imperium is hard carried by the Eldar there is legitimately no chance for humanity
ah yes horus's ignorance ay , never the big mans
You know you’re cooked when the big E says he don’t know
Ironicly the imperium became like biel tan the xenos they wanted destroyed kill all xenos.
The xenos races took advantage of humanity's destruction after the men of iron when they needed the aid and resources the most, there are actual reason why the Great Crusade was the way it was and the imperium that followed suit
@@MGrey-qb5xzCan you explain?
@@Ben-jl2rh no buy the novels
@@MGrey-qb5xz I refuse to pay for overpriced books that's why I learn all my 40K lore on YT, comment sections, and Wikipedia.
@@Ben-jl2rh the AI made by humanity turned on their creators for reasons unknown (common theory is chaos corruption since AI is susceptible to chaos manipulation) and humanity barely scraped by and won. Many of the Xenos races, including allies, turned on humanity and destroyed or enslaved surviving colonies. Then warp storms hit the scene isolating the survivors. Roughly 10k years the colonies were full on survival mode. Psykers started to pop up making the situation even worse. Terra was supposedly so bad that it took big E longer to conquer it than the galaxy.
As superhuman as the emperor is. In all his nigh-infinite wisdom and intelligence, his near-perfect planning, and his almost omnipotent power. One must not forget the fact, that he's not perfect, all powerful or all knowing. But most damning of all, he is still human.
*Imagine a being akin to a God say something as "I don't know"*
The God Emperor of mankind to his trusted personal guard and friend: WE BOUT TA LEARN TODAY SON!!!
He maybe be The Emperor but he is still only a man.
I desperately want somebody to call big E out on his bullshit in cannon. He sets up his ‘sons’ so that the least necessary will be the ones to fall, puts on a show of doom and gloom to everyone presumably to motivate them by spite, and sets up the imperium to end up the way it is. Is he incompetent or callous or both? Because more and more it seems like humanity might have been better off without him in the long run. He made them think he was indispensable, was dispensed, and it’s mad at everyone for struggling without his guidance.
I don't think the Emperor purposely set them up as 20 minutes of thinking pretty hard about does it stop making sense.
Especially when you realize the Emperor is more of a plot device whos willing to contradict himself and even shoot himself in a leg even though he could have pointed the gun slightly a bit far away, even if it goes against his character and personality as his totally willing to break his own knee caps because the writers told him to.
There's a different between being a product of your own hubris and flaws and GW genuinely not caring and using the E as a lab rat gunie pig to try and come up with BS reasons to keep the plot going.
As when you exeimin all his descions it's less of BigE being an idiot and GW genuinely not knowing what to do when it comes to kicking of a certain plot thread as the Emperor of screen is making logical descion that prove he really is a 40 thousand year old human with expensive knowledge though a bit cold due to age. But the problem is that the Emperor is the heart both good or bad of the setting and literaly nothing can happen with out him somehoe being involved.
So in order to make logical sense the end up flip flopping back to BigE find a way to insert him in a situation even though it's straight up impossible to even be at that place at that time, make him move the plot that showcases him either being a genuis or an idiot depending on what kind of influence is needed, despite making no sense how he even got there or what his even doing there to begim with than leaving.
The more you exeimin this pattern though most of his descions being self inflicted it makes no sense to have made at the every least half of those descions, and may be just maybe do we all collectively realize his a product of some pretty crappy writing and a product of the writers civil war that breaks of a GW almost every week as they can't decide on how to write there lore.
Leading to the most constitutive BS character descions that go beyond there flaws and there previous actions.
I'm not defending the dude as I really don't like the Emperor for similar reasons as you. But I've been part if the fandom long enough to know his been beating to a bloody pulp because of GW crappy inconsistent writing and I'm really just trying to show case that.
@@CopeSeethorntin The "Crappy inconsistent writing" is a product of having to write a story that is already finished but you are trying to fill in the blanks. It is really hard to do that as a single author but especially impossible if you have multiple authors.
Horus: "I've been saying this!"
Magnus: "Finally."
Perturabo: "He's an idiot."
Angron: "He's the devil. And yeah, an idiot."
Dude has multiple personality disorder from sheer boredom. Lost the small picture ages ago, played woth himself too long, got lost.
To arrogant to realize it's all his fault
To ignorant to understand it wasnt
@@gogo9263 It was literally his son that he made with his own hands that caused all this because he felt they needed some warp juice
@@klaykid117 As you say not his fault but chaos, the alternative would have been the slow death of humanity until the necrons or tyrannids showed up to finish us, he and the primarch reunited humanity and created the empire that is the sole reason we still are standing and coul have a chance
@@gogo9263 Unironically simping for the Empire? I know what you vote.
@@Quetzietse your mind is rotted by politics you sad tourist, give me one way humanity could survive the necrons and tyrannids without the reunification and great crusade
"What comes next?"
"Female Adeptus Custodians."
"Time to dive into the Well of Eternity."
Damn, folks still seething about that? Lmao 😂
@@thesilentgod7863 It is the context on why the decision was made. Taking only that into account, it may seem superficial.
But if you understand how pseudo-inclusivity is poisoning our society, then you will get why many of them are mad.
If you think I am being ridiculous, remember that we already have the Adeptus Sorroritas and Female Guardsmen. Why do they need to add Female Custodes?
I've tried everything.. from plan A to Y
What if a HALO ring array was unleashed upon the Warhammer 40k universe? Would the warp entities and tyranids face starvation and death if most organic life had been destroyed?
The warp demons live off of the belief of their existence, and the tyranids need biomass. So in theory if all life was destroyed they would slowly dwindle into oblivion
In halo lore the rings didn't destroy flesh it just melted the nervous systems of any entity within its range. Chaos would die off because theres no one left to worship them or corrupt. All the races in the galaxy would get wiped out. Any tyranid fleets within the blast radius would die as well. There wouldn't be time to adapt. The ones outside the galaxy would be able to claim all the biomass but would have to fight the necrons for it. The Tyranids probably would eventually lose to the necrons. By the time the fleets outside the galaxy make it in the necrons would have probably fully awoken as there wouldn't be anyone to stop them.
Orks would survive too, if you think about it. Every walking, talking boy gets halo'd sure, but spores would be functionally immune. No neurological systems yet. The entire species would get wiped to 0... then start rebounding back to full in a few weeks.
@@ambion19 True I didn't think about that. I suppose anyone within warp transit as well as the dark elder homeworld would be fine too but the dark eldar would be screwed because they have no one to torture or enslave and would have to deal with the necrons whos only enemies are now the primitive orcs with no one to fight and the remnants of Tyranids and imperium ships that exited warp space.
The Emperor, in his self-assured hubris, plucked the eyes from humanity’s collective skull in an attempt to blind them to Chaos rather than teach them what to look for and how to kill it. And in the process he turned nearly a third of his sons against him; another third already hated him for what he had done to them and their people.
What I love about this is previously people speculated that this was all the emperors plans that he intended to get on the throne and it was all planned from the start. But now we know humanity is fucked there is no greater plan there is no secret weapon of the emperor it’s just a slow defiant last stand of humanity
More and more primarch are starting to come bakc, Heck even Guilliman is Alive now, I still belive at some point maybe the Emperor will come back.
@@TheJakeblake even with the primarchs I’m not sure humanity can save itself. Also I don’t think the emperor will come back atleast not till 2045 before they change the setting that much it took them nearly 30 years to bring back gulliman
It's stated in lore that the emperor had a plan for if a primarch rebelled, for every primarch.
He just didn't have a plan that covered a rebellion that fucking huge.
"It's OK my King, Guilliman will fix it."
"we're cooked" -the emperor of mankind
Damn, I just thought of a great idea for a short story, after everything is over and Terra lies burned the last custodian simply wanders the galaxy, desperate to find some new purpose
Alternatively: everything but a single custodian is dead, the galaxy is dominated by daemons, tyranids, and orks. So the Custodian is just like “fuck you, I’m leaving” and goes to another galaxy entirely
It's like that old Anglo-Saxon tale, the Wanderer.
He actually is inspired by Diocletian's words. Unfortunately... this resulted in The Dark King.
Big E: "Now we rage against the dying of the light."
Diocletian says it cannot be this way. And the Big E asks, he truly asks. "What do you intend, Custodian?"
Diocletian: "We kill Horus. We begin anew."
Big E: "Another will take his place."
Diocletian: "You are The Emperor of Mankind. We will rebuild under your guidance, my King."
"My King."
A repeated line in the novel:
"The boy who would be King"
@@XXMatt0040XX Do you think this custodian is the new E or something?
Don't really get it either
@@Negan-lo7yr No, I don't wanna spoil anything so I'm putting it down low. I'm saying The Emperor took his custodes' words to heart; but it went wrong.
The Big E almost chose to became a Chaos God to kill Horus. The Emperor, who's genuinely considering the words he's hearing, thinks that he would be capable of taking Horus' place. The Emperor begins supercharging himself with Warp energy, skirting the line between a material and warp being, and is moments away from actually becoming the 6th Chaos God; The Dark King.
This is a key plot thread from The End and Death, it is why the Big E is weaker than Horus. The Emperor cast out the power.
@@hell1942 Read the other comment I left
This is the correct time to be concerned.
Astartes: I know no fear. 😤
Omnipotent man: It's so over.😔
Astartes: I miss 5 seconds ago when I didn't. 💀
Then we shall rage, rage with the beating hearts of all mankind.
Rage with me, against the dying of the light!!!
I mean, if we rage towards the dying light only to be ended up in hell once we die is something i wont do no matter who the leader is
I like this , OP. its my mindset too.
I mean Daemons CAN be killed in the Warp so....
You will end up In hell weather you fight or not when you die you go to the warp there is no heaven just the warp and the warp is hell so might as well right
"Permission to shit my pants my leige"
" its joever" said the emperor of mankind
This story arc was probably taken from The God Emperor of Dune where the ancient and wise emperor basically turned himself into a sand worm over thousands of years of gene modification , sacrificing his humanity and distancing everything and everyone he loved from his past even to a point where he was feared and hated and alone. And after thousands of years when the time was right he then allowed himself to be assassinated in a very painful way just to let his genetically modified body seed new life that was exterminated long ago. All part of his master plan to sacrifice himself to save mankind and restore space travel, since he could see the future.
I wonder how many times Big E went "oh fuck, what now" in his live
Talk about generational trauma.
Big E couldnt be bothered to be a father, instead focusing only on his career and seeing his sons as tools to be used and discarded. Now here we are 10,000 years later and shit is f*cked.
Oh, and Erebis is a prick.
Don't worry guys. John *FREAKING* Grammaticus has got this.
I'm assuming from other Custodies lore that the Emperor's words would have violently eviscerated his brain were he not a Custodies.
That depends. Possibly given that this is the emperor on the throne so he’s likely not able to regulate his power that well, but he’s communicated with plenty of normal humans via telepathy.
And they all almost universally either go insane or turn into saints
Big E took it out on Nurgle later. Khorne is still laughing about it.
The Emperor of humanity, God and savior of Mankind : it's Joever
"It's Warhammover." 😔
Warhammer 50,000: The New Human.
So the emperor himself says that theyre fighting a losing battle that they will continue to fight until humanity goes extinct.
Still waiting on my Diocletian & Zephron Sorrow-Bringer buddy cop series set after the heresy