Regarding 100W being insufficient to power a gaming CPU+GPU, we have seen laptops use input power+battery power simultaneously to support high performance. So, it is possible... but manufacturers receive complaints if the battery can drain while the charger is plugged in, so they avoid providing that option at all. Another pain point I've seen on both Asus and Lenovo laptops is that if the battery is fully depleted, the type-C ports will not support charging! You need to charge with the (barrel|square) port for a minute or so, and then type-C charging will work again.
Mine Asus A15 4060 drains battery ~5% per hour during the gaming, slow but still... also when i don't use full power it charges and stop every 2 seconds(79-80%) battery loop. It uses battery instead of input power(lol) After one week of usage I've got wear level of battery at 8%........(hwinfo) I asked support for help and I'm waiting for response now Probably I'll going to return it because I mainly use PD charge, next shot will be Lenovo LOQ(140W PD)
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there is the razor blade stealth , a compact gaming laptop that is indeed a bit low power , but that I am very happy to use , and I bought it especially because it does charge with maximum 100W PD , this means is easy to charge it on the go , or from a solar generator that can do PD 100W , you can play most games in 1080p at 40 / 60fps (screed does support native 40hz )
Another issue with USB-C charging is confusion Unless you have an eMarker cable, you'd only charge at 60W max. Some consumers would just unknowingly buy whichever cheapest cable they could find, and when they found out the cable plugs right in but there's no charging, they'd blame the laptop In my opinion, 5A should have never been supported. Either raise the voltage, or allow all cables to work at 5A. Anything else will confuse consumers
Here's an idea: Use two USB-C ports! That's instant 200W of power delivery. They can create a single cable with two USB-C ports to reduce confusion (Y-cable) Granted, you'd lose 2 USB ports when charging, but when you have 4-5 of them, as a large laptop like that should, it's not that much of a problem anymore
@@rokiedecentra9656 yes that's exactly how it works 🤣 each asic (the chip controlling the port) has a fixed bandwidth and power budget. Go read the spec for pci to usbc then compare that to the available asic on the market.
I still haven't got the answer why. 1. Why, after 1.5 years after announcement of 240w usb c charging it's still not mature? Why announce it so soon then if it's not ready? 2. Why 100w type c charging isn't present in more gaming laptops? A laptop isn't a gaming console, it's a computer, so it'll be used in wide variety of usecases. With a 65w usb c, I can come to a cafe and work there as long as I like, carrying a tiny charger instead of a 1KG brick, or browse, or watch movies and so on. But so far only 2 major laptop brands included it in their gaming laptops - Lenovo and Asus. 3. Moreover - it makes no sense why thin and light office laptops haven't moved to usb c completely. I mean usb c PD up to 100 watts came out in 2015, 7 years later - and most laptops still don't support usb c chargingб even those with 45-65w power bricks 🤦♂
1.) I think the problem is larger voltage. Current gaming notebooks still have 20V, so the only thing to be changed when you need more power is to raise current. New PD specifications on the other hand increase voltage, so you have change DC-DC convertor in notebook, scale up cables to safely insulate 48V which can also produce already some electric arcs and damage USB-C plugs in long run. I would not be surprised if CC pins are shortened in order to tell the power supply to cut the output to prevent this. 2.) If you need some computing power you need more electric power. It is the same like expecting, that 100W heater is going to heat whole house :) 3.) To be honest such notebooks are getting more scarce. For instance my last office / non-gaming notebook without USB-C and having
@@DB-47 1. I'm aware of that. But it was said "240w type c charging is coming soon" over a year ago, in spring-summer 2021. And still - ZERO chargers and devices that can receive it. Only cables are for sale so far, but what's the point if other things aren't ready? 2. You are completely missing the point. A gaming laptop isn't' a console, it's a computer that can do a ton of things that consume less than 100 watts, in fact all of the basic tasks are low-power demanding. You don't need a 300 watt charger to come somewhere and work with MS office documents and do some browsing. 3. The majority are still proprietary though, with USB C with PD being 7 years old now. By technology standpoint 7 years is considered ancient. Try finding a new GTX 970 GPU for sale for instance.
@@TabalugaDragon What are you on about? All the ultrabooks from last 2-3 years support USB-C charging. XPS, Thinkpads and such don't even have their own charging ports anymore.
@@FOREST10PL these are premium ultrabooks, no crap they support it. I'm talking about cheaper models. My friend bought a 500 dollar ultrabook a year ago and it doesn't have type c charging at all. A Lenovo by the way. its charging brick is like 45 watts but nah nobody needs universal type c right? And type c is not licensed like thunderbolt, a manufacturer doesn't have to pay a third company for using it, they literally need to make a template once and put it on a production line. Not saying it's cheap to do, but should be doable, as this is incredibly beneficial to the end user. I'm glad the EU will be forcing all ultrabook manufacturers to switch to type c charging after 2026.
maybe in the future when pd 3.1 becomes popular gaming laptops will adopt usb-c, but for high-end configuration machines, 240w is not enough to exploit its full power, for example dell alienware x17 r2 with 330w charger
But according to the EU, loptop and even gaming loptop will be force to used USB c port charger in April 2026, that means if you have 100w or 200w plug,the loptop will be fully charged quickly
@@TabalugaDragon well companies that makes laptop will face consequence by eu(it could be a lawsuit)if they don't use USB C by April 2026 because someone told me about it
@@zoomdiepie75 no they won't, the ones that consume more than 100w that is, simply because they don't support it. What, they expect those manufacturers not to make gaming laptops anymore? Because you need a lot of power to have a powerful, compact computer. So no, I don't believe it'll happen. We'll see who's right by 2026. They may come up with a universal charging standard above 100w, but they won't force 100w for all laptops. Otherwise it would be impossible for laptops to have comparable performance to desktops and it would be limited to low end like RTX 4050. Right now powerful gaming laptops like with 4080m are even faster than desktops with RTX 4070.
@@zoomdiepie75 so you're basically telling me that the "the law won't cover devices above 100w" is a lie? And how are we supposed to power powerful devices now? Will microwave ovens, electric kettles and so on disappear because they all consume above 100w? 😂 I'm sure the law only covers low-power devices, otherwise it would be ridiculous.
Would using PD 240w cause a hit to performance on gaming laptops? From what I understand with incoming power at 48v, the laptop will have to step down the voltage to usable levels. Won't his cause a lot of internal heat for the laptop? Isn't the whole purpose of the power brick to step down the voltage outside the laptop itself?
With the EU USB-C directive it will be interesting to see what the manufactures do when 240W of PD3.1 isn't enough to both charge and play on it at the same time. I guess they could use multiple independent ports and aggregate them or use for specific part.
unfortuntely they won't be forcing it for laptops that consume over 100 watts. Gaming laptops will remain with proprietary connectors, at least for the time being. I really want them to have a universal standard too already.
exactly, my laptop use 330w at full performance, but it can be powered with USB c pd at 100w when not doing intense gaming, since the cpu and the gpu scales pretty well with lower wattage unlike previous generations
Mine Does. I like how in your video you moved the goal post from "Why Gaming Laptops Don't Charge With USB-C" to "Why MOST Gaming Laptops Don't Charge With USB-C". Aside from this, many laptops can charge from ether USB-C ports as back ups, but can they be used at the same time? Hmmmm. Now what would be Ideal is if you could pump in 100 Watts on each port getting 200 Watts in for when the GPU needs it. At that point, cooling is going to be the bottle neck to dissipate the portion of the 200 Watts that get turned to heat.
some phones even go up tp 170w, but gaming laptops? go only up to 100w on non-proprietary chargers...
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@@TabalugaDragon Yes , I think this is very funny , if phones can do it , for sure there is some dumb reason why laptops are not doing it yet , it may be something cost related , or they have large inventories of chargers , or there is some tax to use PD protocol , no ideea why but for sure there is something behind this
@ The problem is while fast charging phone with insane powers like 120 - 170W is only for couple of minutes, notebook can be drawing such power for hours and I would doubt whether those phone power supplies could handle such a power for a long time.
@@DB-47 they can, it's GaN. Basically the more power they use, the more efficient they are compared to silicon chargers, meaning less % of power is wasted as heat. GaN chargers are really small and powerful these days.
I totally confused. Please somebody help me figure it out. I have Dell XPS 9510 with proprietary Dell's USB C charger 130W (20V 6.5A). And I need to get the compact charger. Would Lenovo's 135W charger give me the same power since it has similar 20V 6.75A? Does byuing 140W instead of 135W from Lenovo make any sense?
I prefer to have a propietary port for charging. The thing that plugs it's a lot sturdier than the USB C type that brakes easily, specially when you move your laptop around with the cable still attached.
I don't know where you got your info from but in my experience, having inserted type c over a thousand times in my phone it's a different story, Linus Tech Tips did a longevity test for type c, in very rough scenarios and the port survived for a VERY long time. With a proprietary port you're stuck with your manufacturer's charger and if you want a smaller charger or an extra charger you either have no choice or have to look directly for it, instead of going to a local store and just buying a type c one. It's also much better for the environment, as no type c chargers will end up in a landfill and can be reused with any device later. P.S. be careful when you carry your laptop with the cable attached... that's how I broke my first laptop charger cable, with a proprietary charging port mind you. So it's bad either way. Buy a longer type c cable if the one you have is too short.
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the 240W charging cables are very sturdy , I recently got one , I think is better to have it with Type as you can buy different cable lengths to fit your need , have it with or without 90 degree angle , have a smaller charger for traveling if you like , charge from a PD 3.1 Power bank like the Anger 737 that can do 130W , the options are much better in this way , but I am also curious to see what will happen
@ don't forget being able to use your laptop charger for any other device like a phone, earphones and so on. Currently we have to carry separate chargers for that.
@@TabalugaDragon I never said keep just one charging port being the proprietary. By all means keep the proprietary and have the option to use USB C when needed but not as the method of charging every single time. I have destroyed USB C cables by the tip and my current S20+ USB C port is actually damaged. And no, I dont use my phone while charging or anything else. I leave the phone on the table and then connect. So yeah, the disadvantage of the USB C port for charging is that it is crap. You actually gave me the you are right with your cable being damaged. I never leave my cables on and yet they end up being destroyed and yes, that also bas for the environment.
@@Bacavoit "So yeah, the disadvantage of the USB C port for charging is that it is crap." speaking of phones we had Micro usb before it. Now THAT one was crap and wore out much faster. Just read statistics and how much people complained about it. And see how much rated insertions usb c has compare to it, read about people's opinions. I even performed polls myself and the vast majority voted for "micro usb" as the worst connector and only one voted for usb c. Make such a poll somewhere yourself if you don't believe mine and see how many people broke their cables or ports with usb c. As for cables breaking - you had crap cables then. You can order UGREEN usb c to usb c cables, super reliable and long-lasting, while not costing too much. I already ordered 2 and they are working perfectly so far.
which is why I think laptop manufacturers should create one, universal charging port for powerful gaming laptops, going up to 330watts(as much as the most powerful adapters), that way we can finally get rid of proprietary chargers for them as well. Because right now, it's chaos in the gaming laptop market when it comes to chargers. There is like a dozen of different connectors.
@@Bacavoit you always use your laptop to the max? you never watch videos, browse the web, work with documents on your laptop? because most people don't usually just use their gaming laptops for demanding needs
Regarding 100W being insufficient to power a gaming CPU+GPU, we have seen laptops use input power+battery power simultaneously to support high performance. So, it is possible... but manufacturers receive complaints if the battery can drain while the charger is plugged in, so they avoid providing that option at all.
Another pain point I've seen on both Asus and Lenovo laptops is that if the battery is fully depleted, the type-C ports will not support charging! You need to charge with the (barrel|square) port for a minute or so, and then type-C charging will work again.
Mine Asus A15 4060 drains battery ~5% per hour during the gaming, slow but still... also when i don't use full power it charges and stop every 2 seconds(79-80%) battery loop. It uses battery instead of input power(lol)
After one week of usage I've got wear level of battery at 8%........(hwinfo)
I asked support for help and I'm waiting for response now
Probably I'll going to return it because I mainly use PD charge, next shot will be Lenovo LOQ(140W PD)
there is the razor blade stealth , a compact gaming laptop that is indeed a bit low power , but that I am very happy to use , and I bought it especially because it does charge with maximum 100W PD , this means is easy to charge it on the go , or from a solar generator that can do PD 100W , you can play most games in 1080p at 40 / 60fps (screed does support native 40hz )
Another issue with USB-C charging is confusion
Unless you have an eMarker cable, you'd only charge at 60W max. Some consumers would just unknowingly buy whichever cheapest cable they could find, and when they found out the cable plugs right in but there's no charging, they'd blame the laptop
In my opinion, 5A should have never been supported. Either raise the voltage, or allow all cables to work at 5A. Anything else will confuse consumers
Here's an idea: Use two USB-C ports! That's instant 200W of power delivery. They can create a single cable with two USB-C ports to reduce confusion (Y-cable)
Granted, you'd lose 2 USB ports when charging, but when you have 4-5 of them, as a large laptop like that should, it's not that much of a problem anymore
It's a great theory for power delivery only, but the motherboard won't have the bandwidth to support that on the technical portions.
Good idea for a mod thanks for sharing i just need to get my electric engineer and cut a hole for the dual usb c port in the back
@@scottleggejrhuh, that's not how it works
@@rokiedecentra9656 yes that's exactly how it works 🤣 each asic (the chip controlling the port) has a fixed bandwidth and power budget. Go read the spec for pci to usbc then compare that to the available asic on the market.
I still haven't got the answer why.
1. Why, after 1.5 years after announcement of 240w usb c charging it's still not mature? Why announce it so soon then if it's not ready?
2. Why 100w type c charging isn't present in more gaming laptops? A laptop isn't a gaming console, it's a computer, so it'll be used in wide variety of usecases. With a 65w usb c, I can come to a cafe and work there as long as I like, carrying a tiny charger instead of a 1KG brick, or browse, or watch movies and so on. But so far only 2 major laptop brands included it in their gaming laptops - Lenovo and Asus.
3. Moreover - it makes no sense why thin and light office laptops haven't moved to usb c completely. I mean usb c PD up to 100 watts came out in 2015, 7 years later - and most laptops still don't support usb c chargingб even those with 45-65w power bricks 🤦♂
1.) I think the problem is larger voltage. Current gaming notebooks still have 20V, so the only thing to be changed when you need more power is to raise current. New PD specifications on the other hand increase voltage, so you have change DC-DC convertor in notebook, scale up cables to safely insulate 48V which can also produce already some electric arcs and damage USB-C plugs in long run. I would not be surprised if CC pins are shortened in order to tell the power supply to cut the output to prevent this.
2.) If you need some computing power you need more electric power. It is the same like expecting, that 100W heater is going to heat whole house :)
3.) To be honest such notebooks are getting more scarce. For instance my last office / non-gaming notebook without USB-C and having
@@DB-47 1. I'm aware of that. But it was said "240w type c charging is coming soon" over a year ago, in spring-summer 2021. And still - ZERO chargers and devices that can receive it. Only cables are for sale so far, but what's the point if other things aren't ready?
2. You are completely missing the point. A gaming laptop isn't' a console, it's a computer that can do a ton of things that consume less than 100 watts, in fact all of the basic tasks are low-power demanding. You don't need a 300 watt charger to come somewhere and work with MS office documents and do some browsing.
3. The majority are still proprietary though, with USB C with PD being 7 years old now. By technology standpoint 7 years is considered ancient. Try finding a new GTX 970 GPU for sale for instance.
@@TabalugaDragon What are you on about? All the ultrabooks from last 2-3 years support USB-C charging. XPS, Thinkpads and such don't even have their own charging ports anymore.
@@FOREST10PL these are premium ultrabooks, no crap they support it. I'm talking about cheaper models. My friend bought a 500 dollar ultrabook a year ago and it doesn't have type c charging at all. A Lenovo by the way. its charging brick is like 45 watts but nah nobody needs universal type c right?
And type c is not licensed like thunderbolt, a manufacturer doesn't have to pay a third company for using it, they literally need to make a template once and put it on a production line. Not saying it's cheap to do, but should be doable, as this is incredibly beneficial to the end user. I'm glad the EU will be forcing all ultrabook manufacturers to switch to type c charging after 2026.
maybe in the future when pd 3.1 becomes popular gaming laptops will adopt usb-c, but for high-end configuration machines, 240w is not enough to exploit its full power, for example dell alienware x17 r2 with 330w charger
But according to the EU, loptop and even gaming loptop will be force to used USB c port charger in April 2026, that means if you have 100w or 200w plug,the loptop will be fully charged quickly
nope, they aren't forcing it for laptops that consume above 100w. Where did you get that info?
@@TabalugaDragon well companies that makes laptop will face consequence by eu(it could be a lawsuit)if they don't use USB C by April 2026 because someone told me about it
@@TabalugaDragon the guy that told me is anonymous,but his from somewhere in Europe
@@zoomdiepie75 no they won't, the ones that consume more than 100w that is, simply because they don't support it. What, they expect those manufacturers not to make gaming laptops anymore? Because you need a lot of power to have a powerful, compact computer. So no, I don't believe it'll happen.
We'll see who's right by 2026. They may come up with a universal charging standard above 100w, but they won't force 100w for all laptops. Otherwise it would be impossible for laptops to have comparable performance to desktops and it would be limited to low end like RTX 4050. Right now powerful gaming laptops like with 4080m are even faster than desktops with RTX 4070.
@@zoomdiepie75 so you're basically telling me that the "the law won't cover devices above 100w" is a lie? And how are we supposed to power powerful devices now? Will microwave ovens, electric kettles and so on disappear because they all consume above 100w? 😂
I'm sure the law only covers low-power devices, otherwise it would be ridiculous.
Would using PD 240w cause a hit to performance on gaming laptops? From what I understand with incoming power at 48v, the laptop will have to step down the voltage to usable levels. Won't his cause a lot of internal heat for the laptop? Isn't the whole purpose of the power brick to step down the voltage outside the laptop itself?
Do you guys have any links to the equipment you're using to monitor electrical output ??
Power z is in the description
The EPM I believe is a Zhurui power meter
@@Darktron Thank you very much , i'll look it up 🤟
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With the EU USB-C directive it will be interesting to see what the manufactures do when 240W of PD3.1 isn't enough to both charge and play on it at the same time. I guess they could use multiple independent ports and aggregate them or use for specific part.
unfortuntely they won't be forcing it for laptops that consume over 100 watts. Gaming laptops will remain with proprietary connectors, at least for the time being. I really want them to have a universal standard too already.
Is a 100W charger enough to charge it while just doing school stuff and no gaming? The 230W is big to transport lol
exactly, my laptop use 330w at full performance, but it can be powered with USB c pd at 100w when not doing intense gaming, since the cpu and the gpu scales pretty well with lower wattage unlike previous generations
Mine Does. I like how in your video you moved the goal post from "Why Gaming Laptops Don't Charge With USB-C" to "Why MOST Gaming Laptops Don't Charge With USB-C". Aside from this, many laptops can charge from ether USB-C ports as back ups, but can they be used at the same time? Hmmmm. Now what would be Ideal is if you could pump in 100 Watts on each port getting 200 Watts in for when the GPU needs it. At that point, cooling is going to be the bottle neck to dissipate the portion of the 200 Watts that get turned to heat.
Quite interesting that the Apple brick does 140w, but still goes over USB-C at first, then MagSafe3
some phones even go up tp 170w, but gaming laptops? go only up to 100w on non-proprietary chargers...
@@TabalugaDragon Yes , I think this is very funny , if phones can do it , for sure there is some dumb reason why laptops are not doing it yet , it may be something cost related , or they have large inventories of chargers , or there is some tax to use PD protocol , no ideea why but for sure there is something behind this
@ I think PD protocol is free, just like USB license.
@ The problem is while fast charging phone with insane powers like 120 - 170W is only for couple of minutes, notebook can be drawing such power for hours and I would doubt whether those phone power supplies could handle such a power for a long time.
@@DB-47 they can, it's GaN. Basically the more power they use, the more efficient they are compared to silicon chargers, meaning less % of power is wasted as heat. GaN chargers are really small and powerful these days.
all gaming laptops should charge with new usb pd 240 standart
What about my laptop it has a 330 watt brick
There's several 240w chargers now, (1 year later) Anyone test 3.1 on a laptop with RTX 4090?
Hi, Is there any way to charge ASUS TUF Gaming F17 FX706LI via USB C port>?
Still no 240w type c chargers and laptops 🤷♂
I totally confused. Please somebody help me figure it out. I have Dell XPS 9510 with proprietary Dell's USB C charger 130W (20V 6.5A). And I need to get the compact charger. Would Lenovo's 135W charger give me the same power since it has similar 20V 6.75A? Does byuing 140W instead of 135W from Lenovo make any sense?
Where i can find the device that you are usin at 1:12 for the ac connector???
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can I charge legion Y7000 with usb C with adeqaute watt charger? to connect it to power bank. with the assumption i'm not using it while charging
my asus tuf f15 supports type c pd 100w and normal charger 240w
I prefer to have a propietary port for charging. The thing that plugs it's a lot sturdier than the USB C type that brakes easily, specially when you move your laptop around with the cable still attached.
I don't know where you got your info from but in my experience, having inserted type c over a thousand times in my phone it's a different story, Linus Tech Tips did a longevity test for type c, in very rough scenarios and the port survived for a VERY long time.
With a proprietary port you're stuck with your manufacturer's charger and if you want a smaller charger or an extra charger you either have no choice or have to look directly for it, instead of going to a local store and just buying a type c one. It's also much better for the environment, as no type c chargers will end up in a landfill and can be reused with any device later.
P.S. be careful when you carry your laptop with the cable attached... that's how I broke my first laptop charger cable, with a proprietary charging port mind you. So it's bad either way. Buy a longer type c cable if the one you have is too short.
the 240W charging cables are very sturdy , I recently got one , I think is better to have it with Type as you can buy different cable lengths to fit your need , have it with or without 90 degree angle , have a smaller charger for traveling if you like , charge from a PD 3.1 Power bank like the Anger 737 that can do 130W , the options are much better in this way , but I am also curious to see what will happen
@ don't forget being able to use your laptop charger for any other device like a phone, earphones and so on. Currently we have to carry separate chargers for that.
@@TabalugaDragon I never said keep just one charging port being the proprietary. By all means keep the proprietary and have the option to use USB C when needed but not as the method of charging every single time.
I have destroyed USB C cables by the tip and my current S20+ USB C port is actually damaged.
And no, I dont use my phone while charging or anything else. I leave the phone on the table and then connect.
So yeah, the disadvantage of the USB C port for charging is that it is crap.
You actually gave me the you are right with your cable being damaged. I never leave my cables on and yet they end up being destroyed and yes, that also bas for the environment.
@@Bacavoit "So yeah, the disadvantage of the USB C port for charging is that it is crap." speaking of phones we had Micro usb before it. Now THAT one was crap and wore out much faster. Just read statistics and how much people complained about it. And see how much rated insertions usb c has compare to it, read about people's opinions. I even performed polls myself and the vast majority voted for "micro usb" as the worst connector and only one voted for usb c. Make such a poll somewhere yourself if you don't believe mine and see how many people broke their cables or ports with usb c.
As for cables breaking - you had crap cables then. You can order UGREEN usb c to usb c cables, super reliable and long-lasting, while not costing too much. I already ordered 2 and they are working perfectly so far.
Yes, they do. I charge my Acer Predator Helios 16 PHN16-71 with a USBC 100 Watt charger and it works great.
There's a whole range of the very top end laptops that all require 330 watt adapters so looks like USB c is still a long way away from reaching that
which is why I think laptop manufacturers should create one, universal charging port for powerful gaming laptops, going up to 330watts(as much as the most powerful adapters), that way we can finally get rid of proprietary chargers for them as well. Because right now, it's chaos in the gaming laptop market when it comes to chargers.
There is like a dozen of different connectors.
72VDC * 5A 🤣🤣 Soon these things will just be silly.
Please review McDodo 100w GAN Charger
I'm using my Legion 5i powered by usb c right now... but not for gaming obviously.
do you use the one with 65w ?
Hi, which one do you recommend to use for office and school work/browsing, a PD 65w or a 100w charger? I have a 2023 legion slim 5
İQOO 10 PRO can 200w charce HOW this possible
Bruhhh my lenovo legion doesn’t have a c type charger 😭💁
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Mine does
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@@arundevsingh6058 yes 100w max but still charges with usb-c
That's not the point. Basically every laptop could but with lower wattage with makes it useless if being used to the max.
@@Bacavoit you always use your laptop to the max? you never watch videos, browse the web, work with documents on your laptop? because most people don't usually just use their gaming laptops for demanding needs
@@TabalugaDragon And again, that is not the point.