$200 Super Charger Makes Boost! Full Build in One Video!
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
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We went to Donut Media to put a $200 Supercharger from wish on a Volkswagen Cabrio. the supercharger is a slightly larger size than the one we put on our Barbie Jeep. This week Ethan fabricated a belt tensioner, supercharger mount and more! Check out the @Donut Media video here • We Installed a Wish.co... time for this old car to get a little boost!
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Hey great vid. One thing you guys overlooked during this build is the maf sensor was used in blow trough setup.
These sensors and computers dont like it. Looks like me5. 9 ive boosted alot of these mk3 golfs
Even the obd1 versions and tuned them and while logging can see it flats out. Maybe a swap to before the inlet and redyno? Would make a good follow up to a variable.
The Cabrio is officially the best car we own 😂 thanks for the hard work guys, it was great having some actual pros around the shop!
next you should v8 swap it
@@slow2.0t and rear drive
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Too bad they ran out of time, hopefully they can be back again soon.
Stop doing deal dash sponsors there scammers
Is this the first big collab these guys have done? Definitely cool as hell! Love the 🍩 guys!
thanks man!
@@GrindHardPlumbingCo%THank YOU
you have been kicking ass for years now (Road Kill 2.0 )
pretty sure their first big collab was with rich rebuilds and the tesla
That's a negative. Please refer to Tesla project
Donut has also done collabs with other channels as well, always great content!
Move the mass air flow sensor from the pressure side to the intake side 👍
It does sound like something is backwards. haha
id move the throttle to the other side too
@@slowcars8622 Yeah, that compressor really doesn't care for the near literal dead-head its getting when the throttle is shut. That said, I get this was one of those "quick" jobs for shits and grins.
It makes it overheat and really noisy all the time instead of the quiet at idle and nice loud wine at wide open but you are correct for quick and dirty it works
Yup saved me having to type that.
Happy 4th of July everyone! Have fun today!
Love the collabs, keep em coming
This is the greatest way to enjoy my 4th's morning. Nice hot coffee and a grind hard video. I was going to go out riding but everyone bailed an hour ago.
sorry about that man! Glad we could provide some entertainment!
You in Virginia? I’ll come ride with ya 😂
The supercharger needs an idle bypass valve. It will reduce off boost temps and make idle easier to tune.
Id love see follow up or a working build
It also needs an intercooler
The amount of fabrication and tinkering as well as "shop work" is what I'm hoping for in most Donut Media videos. Definitely what I like to see and watch.
For the noisy air compressor in your next shop, make a utility room to house it. Also, put the room up high, so it doesn't take up floor space. Thirdly, I made an intake to replace four expensive air filters on our compressors with one huge automotive filter & plumbed it to outside. The inlet being outside made a huge difference in noise reduction.
You need to have the throttle body/idle control system before the AMR500 as it is a positive displacement pump.
When you are constantly pushing pressurized air at the idle control valve it is not able to limit the amount of air entering the combustion chamber and thereby not able to idle.
You could also use dual throttle bodies if you want to keep the original in place, then you have one before the AMR500 that limits air at idle. Now your system will be under high vacuum at idle, so your hoses needs to be able withstand this vacuum without collapsing.
I’ve been watching y’all’s come up from the beginning and y’all never disappoint. A collab with donut and supercharge a cabby… really caught me off guard lol. Got me wanting to finish the tdi swap in my cabby a little extra today
I was drooling like a mofo over a caddy the other day, something we don't see too many of where I live
If ever there was a setup that ABSOLUTELY NEEDS a intercooler it's this one. You need to overdrive this like a mofo for this engine. That means heat! I'll bet the intake temps are crazy! these also typically use a bypass valve because they like to feed oil into the intake if they are under any vacuum.
Thought it was a donut media video by the thumbnail 😂 perfect colab
it was a blast!
lmfao same
Learned the hard way the emissivity of aluminum makes laser thermometers not work on them without a specific setup.
Melted down a 2 stroke kit trying to save a couple bucks on a cylinder head temp gauge
This type of Supercharger is best suited for engines that are 1,000cc or 1 liter or less they were often used on K-Car class of vehicles to boost horsepower and torque if they didn't want to use a turbo charger setup because K Class Cars usually if not all of them used engines that were under or right at a 1,000cc or less.
I've been through pretty much the same project with a vr6 and a vf9 supercharger. You guys realize that MAF is not a blow through one right? Put it in front of the supercharger and at least 3 inches of pipe between that and the podfilter and the ecu won't be as confused anymore. Also the idle is shit because there's no bypass valve, it's getting way more air now than it can adjust/learn for. Unless the ecu was specifically tuned for no bypass valve, then forget what I said ;)
That thing sounds like a hoot though!
It has too small of a pulley on it. and it's really zinging that super charger.
@@musicauthority3516 Yeah Ive sen some videos of this thing being run at 20k+ rpm and it sounds similar
You need a bov between supercharger and throttle for a blow though setup. You are trying to make infinite boost at idle which is putting the supercharger into terrible efficiency range and is why is getting so hot
It's got too small of a pulley on it. and it's really zinging that super charger.
Once again Ethan's fabrication skills are outstanding. Great work.
Awesome colab. That thing turns 35hp into sick sound. Keep up the good work dude..
A Collab where the Guys make all the work, and Donut is Smiling and don´t even working on it, is not a Collab it´s a Job...
2 badass channels coming together on the 4th? Heck yeah!
yewwww
So cool!
Need to move the throttle-body and maf to intake side, as others said.
Looks like it needs to be overdriven more, if possible.
Still, entertaining and an amazing collaboration!
I didn't realize what I was clicking on, thought it was a typical donut video, then I see my other favorite UA-camrs, not what I expected, but exactly what I didn't know I wanted......
I never knew I wanted an electric weed eater until I used one, same with electric impacts, guess I need to try an electric die grinder too
The Donut media video made it seem like it didn't work at all but it made 5lbs of boost. That's something. It would be interesting to see if they could get the whole setup to function correctly. On any car for that matter.
Lol never heard a supercharger that loud at idle....or with that strangely "grind-y" sound. 😆
Probably the pulley is too small, and it's really zinging that super charger.
Air flow meter must be in the intake of the super charger. You may over revving the super charger with wrong gear ratio pulleys
I was thinking the same thing, that it might benefit from a larger pulley. that small pulley is probably really zinging that super charger.
I did a budget build on a G16b suzuki with an AMR500 blower, custom pulleys and intercooled at 9 PSI (ridiculously LOUD) . To get it to idle I used a plumb back blow off valve around the Blower as a bypass valve. Without a bypass and with the throttle plate closed, the blower will be making huge "boost" pressure in the intake pipe (between blower and Butterfly) and will stall the engine at idle due to the load it puts on it. The belt smoke will be the blower stopping due to higher pressure at high revs when the throttle snaps shut
Put an A/C pulley on it with a clutch so you can turn your boost on and off like mad max!
Would also need by pass valve so super charger wont block the air flow and i'm not sure how the ECU react to lack of boost. Would probably need bit more advanced ECU that can swap the maps with push of a button that is tied to pulley, but that could turn dangerous since have bad connection and turn the supercharger on, but ECU uses naturally aspirated map, witch would put it pretty lean condition. Also how much torque those A/C pulleys can take before starting to slip.. Might be issue. Been trying to build gasoline engine aircompressor and pulley slipping might become issue, havent got it far enough to test this though.
@@Hellsong89 I think the fuel map would be like running a 100 shot of nitrous or so. When you use a nitrous system you need to pull some timing away from your motor or it'll blow up also...and a bypass valve up front would be simple
@@Hellsong89 aircon pulley supercharger were used regularly on holden/gm v6’s I believe.
you need to install a bypass or blowoff valve for idle
I think this is exactly what my bi-turbo E63-S AMG has been missing. 👍 This can take me from 600 hp to 300 hp.
Maybe the supercharger is spinning backwards may be way it's so loud and seems to not make boost?
My guess too
I thought it may be backwards, when they installed the charger facing crank, But they have the direction proper for sure!
this type of supercharger can spin both ways
@@404MissingLink Sorry for short comment, I was referring To inlet-outlet being plumbed backwards,which they have correct! Been to many swap meets where the seller believes the roots blower pushes air straight down the middle!!! Then right next to it is a screw charger that kinda does, and rotates in opposite direction!!
@@charlesfriend9557 haha no worries dude!
You should build a mini boat trailer for the mini boat
I noticed Ethan was picking aluminum out of the burr bit flutes while grinding a square in the supercharger inlet pipe. I am a machinist and have found if you add coolant or a bit of tap/cutting oil to the cutter it won’t bung up with aluminum in the flutes. Try it out maybe it will help in the future.
Thanks for the tip man! Will try that for sure!
Fyi, Pink BOE lube is the hot ticket for rotary files on aluminum. Keeps them from skidding or loading up better than anything else.
I have the Ameriabrade grinder. Worth every penny!
Absolutely
Those chargers don’t come with any oil in them when shipped so it might be Seizing the Bearings
It’s really cool seeing all these other channels like Donut Media that have millions of subscribers reaching out to do collab’s with Grind Hard Plumbing to help get their name out there even more and giving them the recognition they deserve.
My two favourite channels finally doing a colab!! Awesome!!!
My dad has done things with a grinder welder and hammer that I never would have thought could be done. Add a square and a level and that's what he used to cobble together the driveshaft for his truck when we swapped the engine in it. Two years of burnouts later and it's still strong.
My dad used those same tools to build a forty foot steel steamboat in our yard when I was a kid. Took him seven years.
The collaboration is so cool, I've been following both your pages for years 💯
MAF in front of the supercharger! The stock ABA MAF struggles with readings after a supercharger and if it's too close to the intake of supercharger, especially with a bypass valve. That thing is louder than my Bahn Brenner supercharger on the smallest pulley!
My guy forgot to put oil in the supercharger. He wrecked it. This is a very common supercharger for old BMW 4 cylinder builds. It does not sound like this, even when it's spinning at 16k rpm.
Awesome vid with my two fav channels! The technique for cardboard cutout gaskets is easy and satisfying to do from what ive seen 😁
Bolt cardboard to surface requiring gasket, ball peen hammer and tap tap away
A 1999 vw cabrio was my first car. Love this thing!
I work at a fab shop but at home my tools are limited pretty much a old vice, old drill, grinder, welder and hammer and with some creativity and patience you can build about anyty but when I get time to build something small at work with fab tools like big band saw, plasma, shear, hole punch ect I can literally bang something out in minutes that would take several hours at home. I just built a Y pipe for a muffler delete for my boys Tahoe out in the driveway with some straight tube and a 45 with my welder, grinder with cutoff wheel and rock and a small maul and it came out pretty sweet. He watched and when he see how it came out with what I had he was pretty impressed saying wow that's why you get paid what you do...
That thing is LOUD!
that's how we do it!
FYI if you round off the tungsten, when welding aluminum it will weld better/easier. make the needle point when using DC. I dont know everything, but i do know TIG welding. also make sure your using the correct tungsten. grey, red, etc.
That was fun to watch! Donut and GHPC both seem to have similar mindsets. It's a good fit, guys! Nice collab!
when air compresses it generates a lot of heat, thats why you need an intercooler.
good point!
i doubt this supercharger compresses the air enough to create enough heat and harm the performance. Take as an example my Mitsubishi Delica-L300 which has a non intercooled diesel engine. The turbo makes 10psi on max boost. Adding an intercooler barely made any difference.
@@ParabolicLabs I would say turbos get even hotter than superchargers. Turbos are driven by exhaust gases which heat up the turbo housing and thus heat the air coming into the engine. Also when air is compressed, no matter what device is used to achieve that, it heats up. Compressing air inevitably increases its temperature. Bicycle pumps, superchargers, turbochargers, prochargers etc all heat up the air because of compression. What im trying to show with my example is that with low boost its not always needed to run an intercooler because the air does not get compressed enough to heat it significantly.
Also you are wrong about diesel engine air/fuel mixtures. Yes, you are right about diesels running on a higher air/fuel ratio(aka lean) but they do NOT run at a set air/fuel ratio. Gassers have to run close to stochiometric 15:1 on idle all the way to full throttle. Diesel engines on the other hand do not 'care' about stochiometric air fuel ratios. Diesel engines aren't made to run at 18:1 (or higher) or 100:1 all the time on any position of the throttle. Their air/ fuel mixture is variable. On idle they can run at like 100:1 on part throttle 50:1 and on full throttle 18:1.
Now back to the supercharger. It is super cheap with crappy build quality which could create lots of heat and hurt the performance. You may be right here i dunno.
But i doubt that a well built supercharger like this costs 5.000 or more. Its super tiny. Its not like a V8 800HP supercharger
@@ParabolicLabs Really good summary
it does not generate heat, the heat is simply concentrated into a smaller area and yeah it does have inefficiencies like friction which do add a tiny amount of heat to the air but by and large the compression simply concentrates it
Tried to watch this about 20 hours ago , but I had to choose between not watching it at all or watching it in 360p . That's what $80 a month get you an internet service here in Canada .
This is the best collab i could imagine. Really entertaining.
And you did a good joob on the Golf
Phumphrey recommended I come here and what's messed up is I'm already subbed and no notification 🔔 so now here I go fixing that screw up...Thanks Jimmy!!
The collab we all needed
i'm so used to see you guys work in much more tight space. this collab just you guys doing what you have been doing this entire time but with more space. which is nice
I have been eyeballing some of those same super chargers. for my 1981 Ford F250 4 x4 with a 300c.i. 4.9L Inline six cylinder engine. because those engines can really benefit from being boosted. and I'm not a huge fan of turbocharging. because of turbo lag and because they are hard on motor oil. and if installed properly a person should use a intercooler. and plumbing them in can sometimes be a pain in the ass. and somehow I ran across those super chargers online. but I was curious how they are lubricated. and from watching this video I'm a little bit iffy about it. because of all the noise and the heat it was producing. but after thinking about it a little bit it might work better with a little larger pulley on it.
I think that noise has more to do with them using a smaller pulley making it overwork itself.
@@dirtyd2316 That's what I was saying in my comment, that the pulley is too small causing it to be really zinging the super charger. it also might be adding to the other issues they were having. like the ECU not being able to adjust for boost at idle. because it's producing too much boost at idle. and it would explain why Ethan was saying it was smoking the belt.
you gonna put AMR500 on 4.9L engine?. you need at least something as big as Eaton M112 for such displacement. root type supercharger doesn't like to be overdriven since their efficiency drops at higher RPM. the noise at idle was because they have no bypass valve to equalize the pressure at idle and pumping continuously like that heats up the supercharger too much
@@musicauthority3516 its basically sending it w/o a valve at idle with/without the pulley being to small. Needs a bigger pulley/some fancy tensioner fab work because those belts are how many rib? lol. Then on top of that move the MAF/TB to the intake side as its on pressure side atm. Need high vac under idle... cant get that with any of this situation hahaha. Then that piggy back ecu is some aliexpress yikeswtf hahahah. Get an actual standalone....... Haltech hook a boy up ffs haha ..... Just a lot of critiqing to be done as it was a total UA-cam SEND type built in 5 days type challenge ina sense.... I think the 80 it made, and 46? "boosted" is a joke ngl, even if it isnt a joke, its before the final product and before tuning etc etc. Its gotta make at least stock power you cant possibly LOSE power if its done proper, like ffs unless the roots are grinding their ass off there cant be THAT much loss from rotating mass hahahahah
THEN AGAIN it does sound like a die grinder on adderall lol
@@OverwatchSIX Ethan even said it was smoking the belt. and with that and the other issues they were having. it leads me to think the super charger is being overdriven by quite a bit.
As I watch this, I am also currently wearing my CAD shirt!! So comfortable!
Yeeees I've wanted a Collab since ages agoooo!!!! So exciteeeed
it was super fun!
Throttle body needs to be on the INTAKE side of the charger. MAF Needs to be before the throttle body for it to work correctly. These are positive placement units. They do not work correctly the way you have it installed.
I met you guys when you first built the Barbie jeep at a tinny gas station in the middle of Tillamook Oregon next to the sand dunes when I was 16 So amazing to see how far you have came
The collab we’ve all been waiting for!
beautiful VW. I still own a Karmann Ghia. Owned VW most of my life. I was kid and a friend of my mom gave me a square back wagon i fixed up..great cars
NGL, been a regular view of BOTH of these channels for a very long time. Could be the best day of my life
This is my favorite UA-cam channel by far!
heck yeah!
I actually found grind hard plumbing co from dounts video about good car youtubers and have loved every moment captured on your guys channel since!
It kinda sounds like a nitro rc car snd a combination of air raid when revving...👌👌👌😂😂😂
I installed one of these superchargers the AMR 500 on my 2.0 litre ford probe exhaust and intake already modified. At first I didn't feel comfortable building a bracket so I called Dan spinny whom I believe you know. I gave it a shot and was successful in building a bracket with my crappy harbor freight welder. Of course then plumbing was the easy part. I drove it from my driveway to the UPS building which is literally across the street and with the wine and psht! as you guys experienced with donut, I'm not a 17 year old and I was like nope! Anyway, without any modification to the ECU and stock injectors normally the car will start cold and run about 9 to 1 my cheap AF display when warm it hovers around stoych. Anyway after a few test runs of putting it to the floor just to see without any modification to the ECU or injectors my AF meter went up around 19 to 1 which tells me boost without enough fuel. I was wondering if when you modified that output with the square connector if maybe you lost the Venturi effect? Just a thought sorry about the babbling on comment local guy love you guys keep on grinding!
Grind Hard Plumbing Co AND Donut Media ?!?!
Congrats !!!
Verstappens RB18 sounds lovely
did the same thing, Reason the car won't idle is that the butterfly is being pushed closed by the charger, Run a blow off valve as per turbo setup and she will idle like a dream
Ratherbwelding, grindhard plumbing co and donut media... The best ohh and add whistlin diesel,, completes my day🎊🎉🎊🎊
First Hoonigan and now Donut!? I couldn't be happier about this!
Once again, ingenuity and creativity - brilliant!
Congratulations on an awesome collab!
yewwww
Idle air control valve probably wont work under boost if you can bypass where the air goes into this valve idle would work also move the maf sensor and throttle body before supercharger.
All I have is.....outstanding!!!
I never knew you guys were this big, been watch off and on forever, love the 6×6 ranger
I love your guys work! Been on your channel for a while now. But maybe If possible put a 500series on that small boat for some fun!!
Does that SC have an oil reservoir? If not it's gonna cook if you go further than round the block
It also probably explains that horrible noise.
This was my comment on the original Donut video! GHPC was the perfect choice for this project. Hell yeah!
Oh the Ad read 🤣. Great Collab. Seeing them over at Hoonigan and now here 😘
Grind hard flexin’ their skillz on donut 😂
You guys should do a life sized Barbie jeep
LMAO! Someone stuck a screwdriver in it. That supercharger sounds like the little street bike that couldn't! That is hilarious.
Thanks for coming to Cali,
Love seeing some Idaho representin' on Donut's channel! Fantastic stuff.
Just watched a Richard Holdener video with the AMR500, they are shipped without oil. Pretty sure that’s why it sounded that way.
Glad you'll have a big boost after this
we had a blast filming with these guys!
hey guys i think this is the super charger MotoCheese put on his hijet mini truck!!! go give him some love! i dont think he is even over 100k subs yet. really cool dude!! love what yall do!
Best crossover ever
MO POWA BABY!!!
Lol, Bonus Bolts have saved me more than once. My dad has a good stash, and sometimes he tells me to go look if I'm missing something for a project.
Thumbs up for the donut collab
on the cold hammering - steel stock, more heat = less hammering, lol...
You need to move the Throttle body to the the other side of the blower to regulate the air going in to the blower other wise it’s dead heading that air and it builds crazy amounts of heat.
It’s literally just you doing all the work and the donut guys just standing around.
should have put a fat cam and ECM chip, lmao
I loved my lil 2.0 when I had a 276 cam and a chip in it, straight piped. After I ported the head n intake it really needed a way bigger cam and fuel profile but it pulled hard from 6k-10k.
Nolan’s a metal head let’s goo
Fireman 🔥🔥🔥
Always good when a big fish mega yeet channel bigs up the smaller ones,
Grind Hard helping out these lesser channels with Ethans superior fabrication skills
Methanol injection will cool down the blower and give extra enrichment
I guess it's pretty cool I put all the water jacket and exhaust together on my Sea-Doo 1200 I think it was four gaskets with a Budweiser 12-pack box been on there two years eight leaking