Sucks so bad that it was PG-13. Would’ve loved to see Cletus Kasady’s backstory and him actually killing his family memebers. Especially since the movie was relatively short.
The movie felt like it was written by an 9 year old. The scene with Carnage, Cletus and whatsherface standing outside and Carnage saying it’s going to be a red wedding.Then the scene with Venom in the club and people saying it’s an awesome “costume” made me roll my eyes. I definitely had 80’s and 90’s superhero film vibes with how nonsensical and cartoony it was
LMFAO. Red Wedding. Listen, I just paused it at that part and came right to youtube. It was background noise for the past hour but that was the final straw for me. Just horrible !
In a world where Deadpool is one of the most successful CBM's ever, Venom can be R rated as well. It can also use some better writers. Tom Hardy's physical acting is the only good thing about these mediocre films. He deserves a better script.
@@grizzylylife.8484 Yeah but The Joker was a personal project that wanted to give a spin on the Joker and take a deep emotional look at the Character. So we didn't need alot of Action with The Joker. But i do understand your point
@@brandon17760 Ultimate Carnage is actual hot garbage and acts nothing like the character, just a shrieking monster that drains people instead of being a serial killer. The REAL Carnage, in the comics, has never been gory. His violence is heavily implied at most.
Tbf, no one ever has said the dark knight wasn’t “dark enough” an it was only pg13 an it contained the joker who’s the single darkest character out there.. so I’ll hold my judgment for a bit till I see it
@@brandon17760 ??? the ultimate universe is dogshit besides for spider-man lmao and the symbiotes were the weakest story. the entire carnage and gwen stuff was awful n even then, he wasnt even gory LOL.
I agree. It's the closest thing we got to a horror comedy since Ghostbusters all those years in the 80s and then it just tipped too far into a comedy which killed the overall horror factor
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Ya know what’s a real win…when before clicking on the video you correctly guess what Jeremy’s rating will be haha And yes - in this one more than the last - you definitely feel that not having the r rating held this movie back. Totally agree on editing, first thing that stood out. But carnage finale fight is cool.
The movie was too short. I feel like they definitely could have flushed out Venom and Brocks relationship more and showed how they both miss each in more then just one scene a piece. I loved the Rave scene and the scene where Eddy is sad about his ex getting engaged and Venom tries to cheer him up. Those are the moments that this movie needed more of. Venom bs Carnage was dope too.
This movie pays homage to all of the live action spider man franchises. This movie shows exposition, and tells very little. It skips the slow parts and it's almost all action. The symbiotes are less liquid and the fights feel more solid. Cletus goes through Brock's storyline in the first film. Carnage is Iconic. If he is just plain old Cletus from the comics, his goals are too vague. So they give him a love interest to get us to the church. And the iconography in the church is immense, with nods to the birth of Venom in Spider Man 3 and the finale fight in Spider Man 3. Everything about Carnage is different than expected. The voice, the look, and the attitude are all a little off. But none of the changes are without a purpose. Him shrieking wouldn't go good with shriek. Him having a goal is better for the story. His tendrils look like a baby Pterodactyl's wings spreading out for the first time. And that's better than a wiggly mess. What about the storytelling would be improved by an R rating? More carnage? We see that even after Cletus gets Carnage, he kills someone without any of the powers. He doesn't give any fucks. The R rating would not make this movie different at all.
@@Spider-ManHQ because he wanted it to get away with that rating for money purposes. What do you mean shocked? Not shocking when the movie isn’t graphic, has no swearing or blood. Obviously it’ll get away with that diva rating.
It’s amazing that the Animated series from the 90s in which there a no guns, spiderman only throws two punches, but somehow handled Carnage better than the the live action movie.
@@austinalexander8457 I get Carnage did some crazy shit in the comics (probably darker than I think). But just because Carnage is a dark villain, doesn’t mean the film needs to be R rated. Look at the Joker for example, he did dark stuff before and he’s in PG 13 movies. So why can’t Carnage
yup, but if it turned out to be a rated-R movies, that scene alone would push the movie to a NC-17...which is not a bad thing, infact, it would be a good thing cuz you can tell that venom and carnage are meant to be scary and gory... cuz yk
@@ciclope4x419 not even john wick gets nc-17 ratings and those are bloody violent. Punisher had his own bloody prison fight and it was mature rated. Face it, the writing and setting for carnage was childish.
It is unfathomable how they could mess up a Venom series, ESPECIALLY with Tom Hardy. Just rate it R and take your time. It is a very simple story, and the violence could be amazing.
Why are people so obsessed with a R rating??? These are comic characters. They have never been R rated. Venom and Carnage are characters that come from books aimed at teens.
The thing is a lot of kids are really fans of venom and carnage now a days ( my son is in love with the carnage character ) so I can see why they would cater to a younger audience
I agree that there should have been more "Lethal Protector" in the movie. Or just more action with Venom in general. Those comics were fucking amazing in the 80-90's
Yeah, I was never really that interested in venom until I started reading his own comics where he became an anti hero, killing bad guys to protect the innocent, that I started to really like him. Venom is much more interesting as an anti hero then straight up villain, spiderman has plenty of those already, but in making him an anti hero, venom has more agency in his own stories.
I love Andy Serkis and Tom Hardy, but in an interview, they literally said they had 100% considered an R rating but didn’t want to do it because they wanted kids to be able to see it. They didn’t say they had found a way to stick to the characters still or anything like that, they literally said they did it to make more money
You know what's funny? I hear people trashing the Agents of Shield show. But that show had alot of mature content, was dark, and was very violent, and it was a freaking TV series. AOS had more bloody and gruesome deaths than any of the MCU movies. Ghost Rider was killing people with blood literally flying everywhere when he debut on the show. Lash the Inhuman killer was ripping out people's insides. Also one of the main the heroes on the show literally gets her arms cuts off and they show it. So you're telling me that AOS , a television show had more violence and mature content than Let There Be Carnage? That's sad.
It's so obvious bruh, even the first movie a missed opportunity to make it R Rated just for cash grab. Sony is never gonna listen to the fans as long as their ears are covered with money
Anyone who wants to see it will see it, Iv a most Never heard of someone wanting to see a movie and ultimately couldn’t because of its rating . Either way the stories for these movies are lame and uninteresting . They just aren’t good movies
@@heythere6983 Agreed. What you just said shuts down any excuse a studio makes to lower the rating for a movie in order to make more money. Even if the movie is rated R people are going to go see it.
It was a decent film. Compared to the comics Venom isn’t Venom and Carnage is not Carnage. Venom should be more insane than funny and Carnage should have been scary. The ultimate serial killer wasn’t even scary.
@@silashurd3597 it honestly would have been better if it came out after Spider Man no way home. Venom gets powers from peter but then goes to prison with Eddie after hes been found. before Cletus is put to death row he and eddie share a few nights in the same prison cell making it easier for carnage to come along and fight later on in a third movie. Basically like the 90s show but in live action
@@Swiddy_Swooty bro they never explain anything. Imagine someone who doesn’t know the comics, they’ll be wondering why carnage even wants to kill venom. The story was mediocre it’s disappointing
@@silashurd3597 she a mutant, they are supposed to be in the X-men universe cause she held at Ravencroft which experiment on mutants an supernatural creatures aswell as torture. She also supposed to be a chalk white,long straight black hair with a eye tattoo. Deadpool kills her when he aim to kill cassidie.
As someone who remembers Carnage from the 1995 animated series when I was young, I think the one thing about Carnage that was so scary for me was his unpredictability plus being scared for the hero (Spidey)....this would have done SO well if Spiderman was involved too, so I think they introduced Carnage too early
@@solomondesigns1155 that was pretty cool, I’ll admit, but everything else was so horrible, and cheesy, it’s just not worth the ticket price. I’d tell anybody that hasn’t seen it, just wait until the scenes are posted on UA-cam.
"I felt the first movie was a better movie" Oof, that's damning. I just watched Venom for the first time the other night in prep of this one, and it was pretty bland. The fact that this one could be worse with two big symbiote stars plus two real stars is, honestly, shocking and sad.
Very predictable, very boring, and very very badly written. That final action fight was one of the worst CGI fest I've ever seen. Set at night, couldn't see shit. Had zero idea who was Venom and who was Riz Ahmed. Definitely a 5/10. Great acting, and ngl.. venom girl was quite a thing lol
Same. I really didn’t like the first one. Had hopes for this one and it would be rated R to properly make use of carnage. Another superhero movie disappointment for me
People give it a free pass cause Venom/Eddie relationship is good (SO GOOD) but everything else falls apart. I don't want to watched a movie where the whole plot and anything other than the main characters sucks. Why do people justified and get satisfied with so little? We should demand for greater superhero movies not average at best.
@@OsSas3 I’ve started to see alot more people call venom and other pretty bad superhero films great. It really boggles my mind, some of these people claim their masterpieces which is just like objectively false
@@thesexyshark1646 The villain is SO bad, the semi subplots, the last battle is a CGI fest worst than Transformers! I know most people are happy to watch their favotire characters in live action but we shouldn't settle for the minimum or we're basically saying to the studios that is okay to not try. I'm not asking for TDK in every superhero movie but for example, Deadpool is a great movie, simple plot and things works outside the protagonist.
Let's be honest with ourselves. It's just like you said, Jeremy. This movie was doomed to "underwhelming" the moment we got it confirmed at pg13. The producers/backers just aren't willing to go out on that edgy limb that would make these films so much better. Give the director/actors/writers more room for the darker tones and there's so many more possibilities that open up, ESPECIALLY with Carnage. But the powers that be refuse to take off the blinders.
what i love about anti hero stories in general is that they OUTLINE the horrid truths of being a superhero. A lot of really great anti hero stories explore the goods and the bads to being a hero, and it makes them feel all the more real. It makes them feel more flawed and raw. Slapping a PG-13 rating on a story that's supposed to be exploring the darker sides of the MCU feels like a handicap. it's like trying to get extra credit for a test, while not even doing the work and asking for extra points anyways. It was underwhelming, i agree.
They were too hyper focused on trying to do another Thor: Ragnarok feel and failed lmao trying to make something fun, and family friendly around villainous characters who are NOWHERE near family friendly lmao
So basically the most important thing, a story and characters are bad, but at least two CG creatures fight on screen? This sounds even worse than I thought.
The first movie was a complete mess from tone to story, I'm not surprised that they did the same thing tho. Didn't they learned their lesson from the first movie's flaws??
I can give the first movie a pass.. it was awful but enjoyable in a way - - you can’t have a sequel with Carnage be enjoyably bad as well.. cos it’s Carnage.
@@edgelessspace7180 bruh just because the first movie made a lot of money doesn't make up the shitty writing, messy narrative, bad dialogue, a miscast of an actor for a villain role, a choppy edited action sequences, unfocused direction, a waste of Michelle Williams in her most thankless role, and the inconsistent tone the movie had. The first movie had a lot of issues that I guess fans just like to ignore it when the studio should've learned their lesson from the first movie to make it better for the sequel instead of covering their ears with money. Transformers Age Of Extinction unexpectedly made a billion dollar but it's still a shitty boring movie anyways. Quality manners more than quantity
I kind of figured that a lukewarm reception, at best, was what this movie would get, when I started seeing reviews from credible critics that boiled down to "If you like goofy things, this is for you". That kind of thing tells me that the critic really wants to say "This movie is kind of bad". Unfortunately, it also tells me that comic book movie fandom really needs to check itself. It has gotten so bad that a lot of critics are a bit scared to tell people what they actually think; they know that sometimes they'll get death threats for doing nothing but voice their opinion. If a movie is shit, I want to hear it. If a movie is good, I want to hear it. The fragile egos of the Internet can go to hell.
Legit, the term “masterpiece” has lost just about all meaning, cause people attach it to anything remotely ok. I really didn’t like this movie, and I was surprised to find out I’m lowkey in the minority.
I didn't like the version of carnage. I couldn't help but compare him to the 90s cartoon version. I kept thinking he needed a high pitch voice and more a cackling laugh.
I was actually one of the people who loved the first act of Venom 1, especially because it felt like a horror movie in that act. The tone was a serious and tense one. Then they completely screwed that up by forcing unnecessary comedy into the 2nd and 3rd act, where Eddie and venom acted like highschool buddies and venom called himself a loser. That pissed me off. I liked the first movie but my biggest complaint was that the tone was all over the place. It didnt know if it wanted to be a dark vigilante origin story or a fun MCU movie. If this one really just has Eddie and venom being buddies and arguing with a comedic vibe to it all the way through, and Cletus Kasady has really been watered down to a less dangerous character, then I might skip it entirely. Venom being a comedian is not my thing.
Definitely 👍 I agree. Focusing to much on making all thesw VILLANS LIKEABLE. Its like all these Superhero Movies you got both sides being the comic relief so the action is playful and not serious. That's why we all took Thanos so serious my guy was nkt fucking playing lol.
What annoys me is that my favorite parts of the movie was when Eddie and venom just interacted with eachother. But what did they do? They split them up and it does nothing but pad the run time. It would have been cool to see them fight crime together seeing how they do things differently with venom being much more lethal and Eddie wanting to go a more Police officer type route.
You're totally right... the stripped the movie down to 90 mins and created a cookie-cutter plot to get to the final fight scene. Marvel Studios would've done a much, MUCH better job, the only issue of course is that they're owned by Disney who won't permit Logan/Deadpool level violence.
Lots of people are saying these movies failed because of the pg-13 rating, but honestly they failed because the writing, story, and characters are just barely passable. Adding some blood and gore would hardly improve this movie.
@@captainredbeard3457 I can definitely agree the pacing was way too rushed and the writing seemed almost like a junior high student was consulted for humor, but letting loose on the violence with a violent character was definitely needed.
As of seeing the movie I agree. If the same story came out but had more blood and gore to it, it wouldn’t be a good movie. The whole movie feels like one big cluster fuck. They wrote both carnage and Cassidy wrong. The whole first half of the movie was basically a snore fest. The one thing that redeems this movie or at least I say what made the movie “worth it” was the mid credits scene. While carnage is supposed to be this big bad character he barely does shit. Also they did a terrible explanation of what carnage is. It’s pretty much “oh shit he’s red. We lose” and little to nothing is said about it. And idk if the audio mixing was off or it was just my theater. But the audio sounded really off.
"Hype is the joy killer. Maybe looking forward to something for THAT long just makes it destined to fail." When did this turn into a Glass (2019) review?
Damn! With that deep cut. But spot on nonetheless (it was another example of subversion overriding narrative logic and character development that contradicts what came before)
My biggest issue with this incarnation of Venom overall is that Eddie and Venom feel like individuals sharing the same space. Instead it should be that the combination of the Symbiote and Eddie ARE Venom. This fundamental change in the character is what will always be impossible for the to reconcile, despite my best efforts when watching the first.
Definitely 👍 I agree. Focusing to much on making all thesw VILLANS LIKEABLE. Its like all these Superhero Movies you got both sides being the comic relief so the action is playful and not serious. That's why we all took Thanos so serious my guy was nkt fucking playing lol.
@@parkerboy795 I think even without Spider-Man, they could still make the symbiote relationship with Eddie a compelling one. After all, both Eddie and the Symbiote had a common enemy, the guy from the Life Foundation. If they had taken the time to show how he ruined his life, and have the symbiote spend a long incubation period on Eddie as he when through it, that would have made for a very similar situation to what we normally would see from it. Honestly the best chance at a Venom story is with Marvel's Spider-Man 2 video game.
@@neophenom Maybe, but they settled with with them both being losers and Venom apparently changing his mind because of Eddie. Yeah, I trust Insomniac and need a decent adaptation of the Venom story soon.
*Watching that Prison Escape Scene* felt like it was meant to have blood, guts, snot , spit and ejaculate flying everywhere - - but they had to settle for that PG- 13 rating which made Carnage feel significantly less threatening.
Abdullah Naeem - Fr - I was so disappointed when instead of straight up offing people - he just threw them around. Basically becoming another MCU / Superhero generic villain.
Dman, I wanted to see Carnage on screen but I also wanted to see the carnage that he'll do. Knowing that this movie's pg 13, it's a turn off tbh. He's literally called Carnage, why would they turn the gore down? Why?
Just more generic, pg13, childish crap for the normies to consume. The first film wasn't good and made Venom a "superhero," lol. So the fact that this one is even worse really bums me out. Proof that these people have no idea what to do with these characters. Sad time for film and art.
I mean you could always see the movie and make your own opnion. Because my god. I just saw the movie and I could not disagree more with Jeremy even if I tried. Now does that mean the movie is good? No. The movies dumbas hell. But the improved visuals (God the first movie was fucking ugly) and the actors having a ball with this campy script and being directed by a guy who knows all about performance with a CGi character made it enjoyable. Then again maybe the reason why I didnt hate it like Jeremy because I knew what to expect going in. A B movie with a big budget and im all for it.
I feel this movie is just like Freddy vs Jason and Alien vs Predator. The fight we want to see is awesome but the stuff leading up to it is a chore to sit through.
@@申月営無営月無営有申 i liked venom quite a bit, but godzilla vs kong was way better, we got a bunch of cool fight, some cool lore, and mechagodzilla, as well as a much more limited time with the humans which was nice, even though the humans were actually pretty interesting this time
Sony clearly doesn't care about Venom enough to assure it either follows the source material or innovates enough without seeming totally undermined. This whole concept of Venom constantly being comic relief and pretending it's somehow "friendly" is just ridiculous. There's some great ideas but they're wasted with terribly disjointed pacing, characterizations, storytelling and its weak MPAA rating. But most importantly, I CANNOT understand why Shriek was COMPLETELY miscast with absolute audacity and disrespect. This sequel is as mediocre as the first movie because Sony deliberately dropped its potential faster than Gwen Stacy falling to her death in The Amazing Spider-Man 2.
Thank you i can't stand that Comic Banter they keep using for every Superhero Movie. It all Started with Iron Man. Because Robert DJ is comical and so is Tony Stark it worked, but then they did it with Thor and so on. Now its like some jokes they are just trying to hard to be funny. Which pulls away from the Plot.
Would've been a great movie if we were able to see an actual rated R background buildup to Carnage. The first movie had its flaws (the final fight was garbage IMO), but I left the first movie thinking that it was a fun movie, but I left Venom 2 thinking that it was a waste of time, definitely the worst movie I have seen in theaters since they opened back up.
The first movie was decent the second was just too rushed and the only they wanted is to connect the film with the mcu via multiverse same mistake sony made with tasm2 trying to setup sinister six instead of focusing on electro looks like sony never learn from their mistakes
"I mean, It's Venom vs Carnage, how on earth could you mess this up?" Well Jeremy, they messed up Batman vs Superman, so they can mess up lit-er-ally _anything._ Anything at all.
I think one of the issues I have is that I understand that as a director/writer, you can reinvent the telling of a story. But while Venom does become an anti-hero, they kind of skipped a major character point in Venom being a villain. Which ties into not having Spider-Man. I know that Sony was not able to use the character, but it is very hard to make a Venom movie without Spider-Man when the two characters are tied to each other. I do still want to see the film since i saw the first, but it just seems like it's a film that happens to have Venom as a character.
@@ramaya007 I was entertained by the first film, but there is only so far you can go when you don't have characters that are crucial to the story you are telling. At that point, it's not a Venom movie.
@@themurrrr Woody Harrelson did good also, but he just wasn't given as much focus as Eddie and Venom were, so you kind of forget that he's even in the movie at parts, mostly during the scenes that were heavily focusing on Venom, when they should have been focusing more on Cletus Kasady and Carnage.
IMO seems like whenever Sony are left in sole charge of writing and creating a movie from the Spiderman universe, they lack any real plan/direction that pays respect to the source material. Instead we just get another attempt at a cash grab
Well..., to be fair, when i think of sony i think of electronics, so don't expect their media branch to be that important, fox on the other side had the balls for logan and deadpool(after being bullied by the audience and later having deadpool breaking 800m at the box office, but still.)
@@dimitrivavoulis2184 agreed, they've tried to create this spider-verse a couple of times and it could become overkill. Not everything has to be its own cinematic universe. Like where WB failed with justice league but created great standalone cinema with joker and Nolan Batman films
@@amarbhati8802 I'm actually interested to know at what extent the executives actually look at this films, because there might have been 1 guy that was like "So the bad guy is a serial killer that admits to know what human blood tastes like..., make it pg-13 so parents can watch it with their little ones"
@@dimitrivavoulis2184 fox was bolder than Sony and marvel combined. Because after a half decade of unsuccessful X-men wolverine movies and hit or misses with the past series they realized that they should take risks and it paid out. Deadpool 1&2 and Logan were their most successful super hero movies for good reason. Sony and marvel could learn from this. They keep it pg-13 to maximize profits. They would probably make similar if not identical box office regardless
I think the main problem with movies like these is that they're sooooo limited by Hollywood. They're forced to have a specific rating to broaden their audience, a love interest, and annoying comedy that doesn't fit (not saying all of it is bad lol).
the main problem with this movie and the first one is that sony doesnt actually know what they are doing at all and are too petty to let marvel do it for them.
Really disappointing because we get the good and the bad for marvel. You can tell the difference how these companies handle their characters on the big screen.
Sony definitely knows how to make good products, if they stop keeping their creative team on a leash. I feel, no matter who they hired as a director won't matter, if Sony doesn't back off in the creative department. Otherwise, we'll won't be seeing top tier Superhero movies from them, any time soon. Similar issues like this happen in other studios before, like in DC films, Star Wars and other franchises. Sony's Video game and animation department were great, but, why they having such a hard time with their live action franchises, is beyond me. Lol.
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I am so glad you brought up the voice; that was so incredibly off when I first heard it, because it didn't even match Kasady. It should've been the voice from the 90s animated show or, just spitballing here, the one from the "Spider-Man PS1" game. Speaking of which... SPOILERS WHY on Earth did they make Kasady and Carnage two separate things? That's the literal opposite of Carnage; a creature so bonded that if the symbiote goes away, Kasady can just regenerate him from his bloodstream. That's how bonded they are; they're one, to the point where he even says "I", not "we." This movie went out of its way to make it that Cletus didn't want to be a part of Carnage at the end, which is a fundamental difference in his character and fails to understand what to do with it. So Jeremy's right: I think the studio heads were afraid to have both Venom and Carnage actually act like themselves for fear of turning off normal audiences.
THIS! Literally took me out of the movie when they had that going on between Carnage/Cletus. Like you had one job to get Carnage right and for whatever reason you went with that?? Made it WAY less interesting than it should've been imo.
@@makeouthill4822 I mean if you're basing it off of already established characters you should have a certain level of accuracy. It's insanely disappointing to the fans if/when something doesn't match up, especially if it's a big character trait, because if it doesn't match up then you may as well slap a different/new name on the person - they're just using the character's name for popularity's sake at that point, kinda like they did for Taskmaster recently. Like, we're not even talking about whitewashing/blackwashing/genderbending the character, just that the character is fundamentally different from how he is in the comics.
@@thatsaksyguy Batman’s never been accurate and mostly ( one exception- George Clooney-) have all been different… toms spidey isn’t accurate and I know people criticize that… neither have the jokers been accurate. thanos wasn’t. Superman, captain America, bucky/ winter solider, wasp… I could keep going… plus in my opinion they showed what Kasady is… a sadistic serial killer that has no empathy for human life and only for himself. I hate that approach towards comic book movies. It’s an adaptation not a straight out of the comic book adaptation…
@@makeouthill4822 but the problem is, with most if not all the examples made here, they are SLIGHT alterations to a character to help them fit in with the story (Thanos in the comics was trying to court Death, but that doesn't make sense for the story so they took liberty with that in wanting to just balance the universe and it works; Batman from any of the stories minus GC and BA had slight variations but kept the fundamentals for what made Batman Batman (ie his parents died and he fights crime with a no kill rule - or ig in those versions 'tries his best not to kill'); and as far as I was aware Captain America and Bucky were pretty accurate to how they were in the comics but i could totally be wrong). It's the major changes to big, fan favorite characters that cause audiences to become really divided (ie the MCU making Tony Peter's Uncle Ben, MCU 'Mandarin'/Aldrich Killian in IM3, ZS Batman killing, ZS Superman not being hopeful all the time, etc...). The thing about Carnage is the difference between him and Venom is he becomes so close to his symbiote that they're basically indistinguishable from each other; Cletus IS Carnage, whereas Eddie is still Eddie and the symbiote is the symbiote, and the TWO TOGETHER are Venom. It's one of Carnage's signature traits aside from the fact that he is a serial killer like you said. Movies can be movies, they can and will still take liberties and most of the time they're very slight and work with the story so it's fine, but when they make changes to a character like this then a lot of fans get really disappointed is all im saying. I thought overall the movie was decent at best, not because of this, mainly the writing, but it really was odd that they decided to do this with Carnage...
This movie was kind of doomed. The whole first movie should’ve been dark, almost horror. The tension of venom taking over your body. Instead it’s light hearted full of jokes. He should not have fought carnage so soon. That should’ve been built up to for the third movie.
@Luis Martinez since everything in the mcu is now technically cannon and symbiotes share a hive mind my theory is that venom remembers what Tobeys spider man did to the other venom and that’s his reasoning
The horror comedy moments of the first were the best. I really would have been down for a horror plot with comedy laced through. Dark with some camp elements. Then some scenes like the connivence store and confronting the neighbor to let it have some breathing room. The sad thing is you wouldn't even have to change too much. Just come at it a but differently. Then this second one would have been set up in a way that would allow it to be more in line with what suits Carnage.
Truthfully, I feel like this movie did to Carnage what the Wolverine movie did to Deadpool. Writers that have no understanding of the characters wrote the script.
I don't agree, because even if spiderman is in the movie won't make the story any better. It needs a better script/plot, more characters doesn't mean better.
That sounds like a terrible idea, no offense. Tom Holland's spiderman was made for children, and he is not the spiderman of venom's story. I just don't see it being very organic for both story and tone. Though, they really really want to water venom down anyways why not make that cash?
The ONLY thing holding this franchise back is the insistence of making it child friendly. Venom SHOULD be rated R. It needs violence and gore. Otherwise its just not that good, but the post credit scene was hype though.
Gore and violence does not make a movie good. The execution of the movie is not good. The story and dialogue is weak. This movie should take advantage of the psychological struggle of venom as a character. Look at joker?
Would have loved to see venom done up with a more horror tone. A version of mcu Batman vs joker just with symbiotes I would cast Rupert grint as Cassidy. Venom not fulfilling his job to secure a food source for collective. Carnage now tries to continue what was started.
@@Blitz-dm3kv and you clearly have never read the comic book in which Carnage is an R Rated dangerous violent character in the comics that literally eats humans. The reason why people wanted this to be R Rated is because the fact that Carnage is in this. It's a missed opportunity to make this R Rated. Like Jeremy said *"I read Novels with Carnage that were more Graphic"* literally it means that Carnage is a Violent character and why tf they put him in a PG13 movie???? And what's the point of saying "know nothing about movies?". Joker, Deadpool and Logan prove that R Rated comic book movies can be great and a success at the box office, why can't Venom 2 too?? Do you know anything about movies better than those smart filmmakers out there???
I really did find it weird that carnage had a lower toned voice I expected him to sound more sadistic and crazy but other than that I liked carnage and his design.
We all wanted this movie to be amazing. Granted, I want every movie to be a great movie and a movie I end up loving but unfortunately that's not the case
@Jkong Hong my g I just said it happens with so many franchises.. its not just Marvel - if u wanna enjoy 2 hours of bad humor and fight scenes.. by all means enjoy - the movies are entertaining but that's it. not film of the year.
It’s hilarious seeing all of the people on here discrediting other peoples opinions as “dishonest” just because they liked it. People are allowed to think differently than you
If this got the R-rating and they took it to a new level of chaos with Carnage, they could have really set a new bar for comic book movies. The graphic novels called for a more serious and *graphic* movie
About the PG-13, when I was a kid in the 90's Marvel was under the Comic Code and that was when Venom was launched, so I believe that they could make Venom work with PG-13, but of course it would be nice with an R-rating.
they could have but the thing is they just did not bother to get the character correct. Its almost as if they chose to ignore decades of source material on both Venom and Brock. That or Sony just really sucks at movies for the most part and Spiderverse was a rare exception.
@@MrHerolet To be honest I always hated Carnage. Thought he was silly. A lot of it had to do with that I really don't like how Mark Bagley draws. I was more of a Todd McFarlane Spider-Man boy.
I want to know why Deadpool and Wolverine are the only cookbook characters to get a real opportunity to go full scale R Rated introduction to the silver screen
I’ll never understand why this movie doesn’t get past its limits in terms of violence while TFATWS are able to show Bucky throwing a pipe into a womans arm and Falcon and Bucky snapping John Walkers arm
As someone who doesn’t like superhero movies and haven’t seen the first one I sat there like “I feel this bickering would have happened in the first movie”, then when the falling out happened in like I feel like that could have almost been stretched and borderline ran parallel to maybe some flashbacks between Cassidy/his girlfriend to flesh out the villain, because I enjoyed woody’s part in the movie probably the most of anything. The fight/dynamic of 2 beings with the same weakness was cool, but idk I was surprised I didn’t fall asleep during it but it was just ok
Since I haven't really been able to watch anything new since the pandemic started I stopped watching reviews for the most part. Finally thought to come back, hit the video, got distracted a bit so was listening but not seeing the screen, looked over casually, and did a double take at the beard lol. Looking good!
In response to the intro, right back at you jeremy, i value your reviews even more after youtube kinda lost stuckmanns voice to a certain degree. Thanks for the insight, laughs and just being you. Rock on dude.
@@SimaoMachado97 Also they're all positive reviews which kinda ruin the point of reviews. Its like before i even click on the video i know what its going to be.
@@jackhussey2918 well that's Raimi, idk about Serkis tho. Depends on every director tho, Serkis didn't have any studio interference so I doubt we're getting a director's cut any time soon, I could be wrong tho, who knows
The key word is fun. Every time I hear a reviewer say but it's a fun movie I know that it's probably mediocre. I've heard a couple of positive reviewers say but it's a fun movie. When I think about Let There Be Carnage I'm thinking about a Horror/Action movie regardless of rating. But to hear them say it's a fun movie, so bring your kids and grandma and grandpa. SMDH. 🤔
The thing that ruined it was Kletus Cassidy's love interest, If she want there they could have made the fight scenes alot better, and it felt about 30 minutes short...
@Luis Martinez I thought she was gonna end up helping venom but the only think she did was make carnage and Kletus not get along, good movie but once again an unneeded character made it good and not great
Actually, she did something to the chief that shot her because his eyes were glowing blue, so maybe they are setting him up for a bad guy in another movie?? What do u 🤔
@Luis Martinez 😂🤣 they gave her a backstory just to kill her, and the cop that shot her literally did nothing, they should have just said that Kletus wanted revenge on Eddie, and carnage wanted to kill venom, that would have been fine🤦
From the beginning of the movie I assumed she was gonna be used in some way to fuck Carnage up and give Venom the win. What baffles me is how Carnage is brought in and killed and they then decide to tease Toxin...HUH?! Yeah that cop who barely did anything is Patrick Mulligan, the host of Toxin, Carnage's spawn..so within the span of a single movie we get 2 symbiote offspring. Christ...
Im glad to see this movie appears to be exactly as divisive as the first movie. Im seeing mixed reviews across the board, which at the very least means itll be an interesting watch whether its good or bad.
I am Just Excepting a Goofy Movie with Dumb Plot and Characters doing Dumb Shit with "we don't Know what the fuck were doing" tone Its will be Bad And iam gonna Enjoy making fun of it
Isnt the division just like the first movie, means that most people thought it was boring, bland and short movie to forget and half people also just like Venom, but didnt like the portrayal, so they were, like meh - action movie? I mean, its bad Venom portrayal, it seems to be also bad Carnage portrayal. Sony is generally uninterested in making good movies or characters, just interested into leeching into that MCU goldtrain. Thats why they made those movies in the first place, not because they had a good idea for a movie - they clearly havent :)
Hot Take: Venom from Spider-Man 3 is the best live-action Venom. YES, this Venom is BIGGER and not played by Topher Grace. HOWEVER, when he was Venom, he was TERRIFYING, almost beating Spider-Man to death! Raimi was forced to put in Venom, and he did the best he could. Nough said IMO
Love the review man I agree with on so much of it but also I absolutely loved Venom: Let there be Carnage. I found it so fun and in all super cool. Loved carnage but wanted more from the character and still would have loved an R rating. Venom was also still the highlight and Tom Hardy so Tom hardy so that answers that. Overall 8/10 to me and can’t wait to see that how end credits play out.
People kinda forget that Venom was actually just merely a competent movie. It wasn't great, it was okay. It sounds like Let There Be Carnage is also, at best, okay. At least it's consistent.
It really is. Bc it addressed everything from the first one with a lot of people being killed. Story wise that was a great decision despite the one year time skip. We also got venom and Eddie's rather toxic and abusive relationship they had to deal with. It was a lot to pack in but bc of how minor it all was fitting it in the movie worked really well. I just wish there was more fighting between venom and Carnage bc the first encounter was also the final fight in the whole thing.
@@furionmax7824 exactly more fight scenes between venom and carnage would've been good. Like with Godzilla vs Kong you get two fights and the Mechagodzilla
@@kingkazuma2239 there is a way to justify the single fight in this movie that I just thought of. Unlike Godzilla vs King Kong. Those two weren't really out to kill each other. Kong was essentially intercepting Big G. Plus they had a tendency to flee from one another like most animals do when they're injured or in Godzilla's case he had more important matters like tracking and killing Mecha G. Carnage however had a singular goal: kill venom. There would be no second fight bc carnage wouldn't stop until venom was dead. As we saw in the movie Cletus had no real control over Carnage the way Eddie keeps venom in check. Carnage is stronger, faster, more adaptable. He wouldn't let venom get away if he tried to run. Then there's the church. In a straight up fight. Venom would lose. So they had to set up a favorable battle field for the two of them. Big. Lots of cover and most importantly a loud noise source which were the church bells. If venom and Carnage fought as soon as Cletus got out of jail. The fight would be over in a few seconds. There would be no second fight. Knowing all this. The singular fight is justified. Thoughts?
@@kingkazuma2239 plus the church is kind of poetic considering that's where Peter forcibly removed venom from his body. The place that was the source of his anger and grief and rejection was instead the source of his strength and acceptance.
Just watched it. I felt like I was high cause I didn’t really understand anything? A lot was left out, I needed subtitles cause I couldn’t really understand Venom when he talked, too much dialogue/not enough? Rave scene? Love triangle again?? The cops eyes?!?! Only thing that made me happy was the end credit scene 🤷🏽♀️
Just finished watching the movie guys and all ima say is…carnage really shoulda been R… theres so many scenes that you will just think”man..if this movie was R..”
My problem with this movie whats that Carnage didn't act like Carnage he was like a Venom/Riot Hybrid, Carnage is supposed to be a villan who kills his victims in the most brutal way possible but instead he just slaps people the entire time.
The post credit scene of this movie made me shed tears of anger and disappointment, I do not want nor need this turd of a version of Venom in the MCU. The only consolation I got is knowing that Insomniac is gonna give us the best version of Venom we’ll see in any media for years to come. Seeing this team handling characters they respect and love, well, it does put a smile on my face
Director: So weve got this character, his name is Carnage.
Studio Exec: I love it! Let's make it PG-13
Dude thankyou you made my day with that joke
The rating was not the problem with this movie.
Sucks so bad that it was PG-13. Would’ve loved to see Cletus Kasady’s backstory and him actually killing his family memebers. Especially since the movie was relatively short.
@@aarondaay all we got were cartoons 💀
@@micahwright5901 kind of is when you know Cletus is a serial killer and Carnage just ups his killing/combat potential
I feel Jeremy should introduce a new rating called, "Okay for streaming but not worth a cinema ticket"
Nah, it looked great on the big screen, and besides I would take watching a movie in then theater then streaming it for most movies
Somewhat similar, occasionally he does "good time no alcohol required (at matinee price)"
Kind of like how PG-13 developed as a result of Indiana Jones. Maybe call it "Good Enough for Redbox or Matinee Price"
This was how The Spill would rate their movies
Rental
Matinee
Full price
Better than sec
Fuck streaming.
“I’ve read *novels* with Carnage that were more *Graphic* “ I love you, man.
Novels are often allowed to be way more graphic than movies.
@@NostalgiNorden Especially compared to PG-13 movies, yeah. I was just pointing out the pun 😂
Graphic novels literally
@@NostalgiNorden comics in general are way more graphic. Carnage has always been a violent character
Which ones? I would love me some carnage comic recommendations
The movie felt like it was written by an 9 year old. The scene with Carnage, Cletus and whatsherface standing outside and Carnage saying it’s going to be a red wedding.Then the scene with Venom in the club and people saying it’s an awesome “costume” made me roll my eyes.
I definitely had 80’s and 90’s superhero film vibes with how nonsensical and cartoony it was
This movie were made for mcu fans
I agree. I wouldn’t recommend it to a 9 year old personally.
this film was just made for average venom enjoyers, not *" WAA, THIS MOVIE ISNT FOR ME, THEREFORE NOBODY SHALL WATCH IT "* virgins
LMFAO. Red Wedding. Listen, I just paused it at that part and came right to youtube. It was background noise for the past hour but that was the final straw for me. Just horrible !
In a world where Deadpool is one of the most successful CBM's ever, Venom can be R rated as well. It can also use some better writers. Tom Hardy's physical acting is the only good thing about these mediocre films. He deserves a better script.
Joker itself became the highest grossing r-rated movie which didnt have cool action scenes , comedy , CGI etc. I knew Pg 13 wasnt a good choice
I feel like they went with Tom Hardy after watching him talk into his car’s Bluetooth for the entire film.
@@grizzylylife.8484 Yeah but The Joker was a personal project that wanted to give a spin on the Joker and take a deep emotional look at the Character. So we didn't need alot of Action with The Joker. But i do understand your point
Apostrophes aren't used to make plurals. It's just CBMs.
I think the pg-13 thing is because they're transitioning him into spiderman 3 which is marvel and the hell will they have an r-rated movie.
“How can you mess this up?”
The PG13 rating for a movie containing Carnage probably helped.
name 1 comic story that’s rated mature that features carnage lol. the character is a pg character and always has been :S
@@brandon17760 Ultimate Carnage is actual hot garbage and acts nothing like the character, just a shrieking monster that drains people instead of being a serial killer. The REAL Carnage, in the comics, has never been gory. His violence is heavily implied at most.
Tbf, no one ever has said the dark knight wasn’t “dark enough” an it was only pg13 an it contained the joker who’s the single darkest character out there.. so I’ll hold my judgment for a bit till I see it
@@brandon17760 ??? the ultimate universe is dogshit besides for spider-man lmao and the symbiotes were the weakest story. the entire carnage and gwen stuff was awful n even then, he wasnt even gory LOL.
@@brandon17760 ok but even then there wasn’t any mature rated gore. the ultimate spider-man comics were always rated teeb.
Carnage, one of the most violent characters in comics finally has a movie.
PG-13...
Even a R Rating wouldn't have made the movie better tbh
@@aviram7129 I agree. The plot was garbage
PG-13 sucks
@@aviram7129 why so
@@sudiptosaha3519 because liking a movie just because it's rated R means you're easily manipulated
The scene where Carnage was introduced was played out like a horror movie, and that roar was SICK!
Probably best scene of the film. Wanted more of the film to be like that
@@elliewilliams1337 what do I report a sex bot for? Scam or sexual content?
I agree. It's the closest thing we got to a horror comedy since Ghostbusters all those years in the 80s and then it just tipped too far into a comedy which killed the overall horror factor
Basking - Unwanted spam is best. If you view the channel , to report *it* - It's a phishing hack - then this weirdo (with multiple channels) will track you around yt, and smut-blast your comments.
... And apparently videos you put a comment on.
Ya know what’s a real win…when before clicking on the video you correctly guess what Jeremy’s rating will be haha And yes - in this one more than the last - you definitely feel that not having the r rating held this movie back. Totally agree on editing, first thing that stood out. But carnage finale fight is cool.
Aye! Meh man! I've been watching you since 2014!
The movie was too short. I feel like they definitely could have flushed out Venom and Brocks relationship more and showed how they both miss each in more then just one scene a piece. I loved the Rave scene and the scene where Eddy is sad about his ex getting engaged and Venom tries to cheer him up. Those are the moments that this movie needed more of. Venom bs Carnage was dope too.
John Campea said he was shocked that this movie got away with a PG-13. He said it had everything short of showing blood.
This movie pays homage to all of the live action spider man franchises.
This movie shows exposition, and tells very little.
It skips the slow parts and it's almost all action.
The symbiotes are less liquid and the fights feel more solid.
Cletus goes through Brock's storyline in the first film.
Carnage is Iconic.
If he is just plain old Cletus from the comics, his goals are too vague. So they give him a love interest to get us to the church. And the iconography in the church is immense, with nods to the birth of Venom in Spider Man 3 and the finale fight in Spider Man 3.
Everything about Carnage is different than expected. The voice, the look, and the attitude are all a little off. But none of the changes are without a purpose. Him shrieking wouldn't go good with shriek. Him having a goal is better for the story. His tendrils look like a baby Pterodactyl's wings spreading out for the first time. And that's better than a wiggly mess.
What about the storytelling would be improved by an R rating? More carnage? We see that even after Cletus gets Carnage, he kills someone without any of the powers. He doesn't give any fucks. The R rating would not make this movie different at all.
@@Spider-ManHQ because he wanted it to get away with that rating for money purposes. What do you mean shocked? Not shocking when the movie isn’t graphic, has no swearing or blood. Obviously it’ll get away with that diva rating.
It’s amazing that the Animated series from the 90s in which there a no guns, spiderman only throws two punches, but somehow handled Carnage better than the the live action movie.
It's crazy but true
I feel thats true for most of the movies these days. Cartoons from the 90's were the best adaptions. Expecially for Batman, Spiderman and X-Men.
How so?
You got that right brother and the 90s show did both Venom and Carnage a lot better!
@@TheDrakeon this is one of the truest statements ever.
How would Venom even survive in a rave? His whole weakness is noise…
they really skipped that plot point weird
Who would win: a loud place mere humans enjoy or glass shattering sound waves and flash grenades? You’ll never guess!
Only sounds at certain frequencies
@@Bradon_Ray True that
@@alinazhidil9817 Yeah but a mere human can handle the pipes making sounds when hit too, which Venom couldn't perhaps this is a stronger venom
This movie was so disappointing. The main villain is called “carnage”, whose host is a psychopathic killer, and they make it pg13. I don’t get it
why did they make the movie pg13?
Sony is dumb I hope they lose money and a shitty disappointing movie
Ok. That’s a really dumb reason to hate this movie. Just because this is PG-13, doesn’t mean that it’s bad
@@mikephelps9238, when the villain is Carnage, the movie needs an R rating
@@austinalexander8457 I get Carnage did some crazy shit in the comics (probably darker than I think). But just because Carnage is a dark villain, doesn’t mean the film needs to be R rated. Look at the Joker for example, he did dark stuff before and he’s in PG 13 movies. So why can’t Carnage
I watched the prison scene… I definitely wished it was R-Rated cause you can tell that it should’ve just been a blood bath.
yup, but if it turned out to be a rated-R movies, that scene alone would push the movie to a NC-17...which is not a bad thing, infact, it would be a good thing cuz you can tell that venom and carnage are meant to be scary and gory... cuz yk
@@ciclope4x419 not even john wick gets nc-17 ratings and those are bloody violent.
Punisher had his own bloody prison fight and it was mature rated. Face it, the writing and setting for carnage was childish.
@@nmartell1007 i mean idk cuz i havent seen the movie
Yooooo if you like this you should check out my venom 2 review BRAH
This is your warning to not look at the comments section as people are freely discussing/hinting at the post credits scene already
I actually haven’t seen anything like that yet. It’s mostly people moaning about how it’s not rated R. I personally don’t get what’s wrong with PG13
@@china_sickness7005carnage plus pg13 is like making deadpool not be able to cuss
Thanks.
>caring
You mean Eddie brock being brought into the mcu
It is unfathomable how they could mess up a Venom series, ESPECIALLY with Tom Hardy. Just rate it R and take your time. It is a very simple story, and the violence could be amazing.
Why are people so obsessed with a R rating??? These are comic characters. They have never been R rated. Venom and Carnage are characters that come from books aimed at teens.
@@ComicCrossing you must’ve never read the comics lmfao carnage is a rated R character that pg-13 rating can’t do him justice
@@baconeggandcheese6355 i have read the comics. They are not R rated dude. They never have been. They'd be the equivalent of pg13.
you'd think they'd have learned from Deadpool's wide success.
The thing is a lot of kids are really fans of venom and carnage now a days ( my son is in love with the carnage character ) so I can see why they would cater to a younger audience
I agree that there should have been more "Lethal Protector" in the movie. Or just more action with Venom in general. Those comics were fucking amazing in the 80-90's
Yeah, I was never really that interested in venom until I started reading his own comics where he became an anti hero, killing bad guys to protect the innocent, that I started to really like him.
Venom is much more interesting as an anti hero then straight up villain, spiderman has plenty of those already, but in making him an anti hero, venom has more agency in his own stories.
@Shin Shaman ...just don't watch the movie dude calm down
stay underdawg
@@MrOrcshaman venom is the best spiderman villain,most of them sucked..
@@alejandroldavidlagos Weird take. Spider-Man has the best rogue's gallery after Batman.
I love Andy Serkis and Tom Hardy, but in an interview, they literally said they had 100% considered an R rating but didn’t want to do it because they wanted kids to be able to see it. They didn’t say they had found a way to stick to the characters still or anything like that, they literally said they did it to make more money
You know what's funny? I hear people trashing the Agents of Shield show. But that show had alot of mature content, was dark, and was very violent, and it was a freaking TV series. AOS had more bloody and gruesome deaths than any of the MCU movies. Ghost Rider was killing people with blood literally flying everywhere when he debut on the show. Lash the Inhuman killer was ripping out people's insides. Also one of the main the heroes on the show literally gets her arms cuts off and they show it. So you're telling me that AOS , a television show had more violence and mature content than Let There Be Carnage? That's sad.
It's so obvious bruh, even the first movie a missed opportunity to make it R Rated just for cash grab. Sony is never gonna listen to the fans as long as their ears are covered with money
Anyone who wants to see it will see it, Iv a most
Never heard of someone wanting to see a movie and ultimately couldn’t because of its rating . Either way the stories for these movies are lame and uninteresting . They just aren’t good movies
@@heythere6983 Agreed. What you just said shuts down any excuse a studio makes to lower the rating for a movie in order to make more money. Even if the movie is rated R people are going to go see it.
It was a decent film. Compared to the comics Venom isn’t Venom and Carnage is not Carnage. Venom should be more insane than funny and Carnage should have been scary. The ultimate serial killer wasn’t even scary.
I just want Venom driving a truck like the 90's cartoon.
I completely forgot about that and now I want that too
ONLY VENOM CAN DRIVE STICK
the 90's cartoon was so weird yet so enjoyable
Even the Carnage in the cartoon was ten times better than what we got in this movie!
I will take great care👂💅🤝🙏🤲🙌👐
"The first movie was a better movie"
Ouch
And being worse than that trash first movie really an achievement.
yeah that made me sad
@Oddwolf 799 they ain’t even perfect at making animated movies either
@@augustusteow9604 spider man into the spider verse was incredible though
@@hero3104
The music was. The movie was meh .
I didn’t care for Cassidy’s love interest, and i wanted a psychotic Carnage.
I actually thought that shriek was gonna be another symbiote but was a human was powers.
@@silashurd3597 Yeah I though so too. Its weird cause they never explained why.
@@silashurd3597 it honestly would have been better if it came out after Spider Man no way home. Venom gets powers from peter but then goes to prison with Eddie after hes been found. before Cletus is put to death row he and eddie share a few nights in the same prison cell making it easier for carnage to come along and fight later on in a third movie. Basically like the 90s show but in live action
@@Swiddy_Swooty bro they never explain anything. Imagine someone who doesn’t know the comics, they’ll be wondering why carnage even wants to kill venom. The story was mediocre it’s disappointing
@@silashurd3597 she a mutant, they are supposed to be in the X-men universe cause she held at Ravencroft which experiment on mutants an supernatural creatures aswell as torture.
She also supposed to be a chalk white,long straight black hair with a eye tattoo. Deadpool kills her when he aim to kill cassidie.
I just don’t understand why they didn’t go the whole “Logan” route. This movie should have been R. Carnage is not a pg-13 character.
Cause Sony universe joining the mcu
As usual, we will have to wait for a video game to do a character justice. Venom will be in Spider-Man 2 on Ps5
Seriously. No balls. Even when they see that the formula works, making it very low risk. No balls. Hell, at that point there aren't even ovaries.
@@chingy6k732 and yet they're making Deadpool 3 R Rated in the MCU, it's no excuse at all for that
Carnage has never been an R-rated character
As a long time venom and carnage fan I enjoyed about ten minutes of it.
I wasn't ready for this comment but I'm glad I came across is
As someone who remembers Carnage from the 1995 animated series when I was young, I think the one thing about Carnage that was so scary for me was his unpredictability plus being scared for the hero (Spidey)....this would have done SO well if Spiderman was involved too, so I think they introduced Carnage too early
@@anonymous.1303 I feel you. I enjoyed the scenes where he was first becoming carnage. That’s about it.
@@solomondesigns1155 thank for saving me the $20. Gonna see no time to die a second time instead
@@solomondesigns1155 that was pretty cool, I’ll admit, but everything else was so horrible, and cheesy, it’s just not worth the ticket price. I’d tell anybody that hasn’t seen it, just wait until the scenes are posted on UA-cam.
"I felt the first movie was a better movie"
Oof, that's damning. I just watched Venom for the first time the other night in prep of this one, and it was pretty bland. The fact that this one could be worse with two big symbiote stars plus two real stars is, honestly, shocking and sad.
Very predictable, very boring, and very very badly written. That final action fight was one of the worst CGI fest I've ever seen. Set at night, couldn't see shit. Had zero idea who was Venom and who was Riz Ahmed. Definitely a 5/10.
Great acting, and ngl.. venom girl was quite a thing lol
Same. I really didn’t like the first one. Had hopes for this one and it would be rated R to properly make use of carnage. Another superhero movie disappointment for me
People give it a free pass cause Venom/Eddie relationship is good (SO GOOD) but everything else falls apart. I don't want to watched a movie where the whole plot and anything other than the main characters sucks. Why do people justified and get satisfied with so little? We should demand for greater superhero movies not average at best.
@@OsSas3 I’ve started to see alot more people call venom and other pretty bad superhero films great. It really boggles my mind, some of these people claim their masterpieces which is just like objectively false
@@thesexyshark1646 The villain is SO bad, the semi subplots, the last battle is a CGI fest worst than Transformers! I know most people are happy to watch their favotire characters in live action but we shouldn't settle for the minimum or we're basically saying to the studios that is okay to not try. I'm not asking for TDK in every superhero movie but for example, Deadpool is a great movie, simple plot and things works outside the protagonist.
Let's be honest with ourselves. It's just like you said, Jeremy. This movie was doomed to "underwhelming" the moment we got it confirmed at pg13. The producers/backers just aren't willing to go out on that edgy limb that would make these films so much better. Give the director/actors/writers more room for the darker tones and there's so many more possibilities that open up, ESPECIALLY with Carnage. But the powers that be refuse to take off the blinders.
what i love about anti hero stories in general is that they OUTLINE the horrid truths of being a superhero. A lot of really great anti hero stories explore the goods and the bads to being a hero, and it makes them feel all the more real. It makes them feel more flawed and raw.
Slapping a PG-13 rating on a story that's supposed to be exploring the darker sides of the MCU feels like a handicap. it's like trying to get extra credit for a test, while not even doing the work and asking for extra points anyways.
It was underwhelming, i agree.
That power that be being avi arad same guy who ruined spiderman 3
They were too hyper focused on trying to do another Thor: Ragnarok feel and failed lmao trying to make something fun, and family friendly around villainous characters who are NOWHERE near family friendly lmao
If one knew nothing of comics, would you recommend this to 13 year old?
Agreed!! Venom VS Carnage is everything we’ve wanted.. everything else surrounding it tho😬
I just watched your review, my dude!Continue the good job!
So basically the most important thing, a story and characters are bad, but at least two CG creatures fight on screen? This sounds even worse than I thought.
When stars collide
@@christianschmidt8476 bruh if u went into this movie expecting a riveting story you did it wrong
@@limons6226 So the movie WANTS to be bad?
we've achieved prime Jeremy Jahns hair ladies and gents it's been a long time coming
It's impossible to pick a "prime". There so many to choose from
@@glendarjj3991 The quality of his hair is 📈
@@glendarjj3991 you're right! his hair truly is a staple
He need to just keep the John wick look forever
And it's about damn time too
A movie where "Carnage" is on the title being PG-13 is a whole joke on itself.
That's really the simplest yet biggest mark against the movie. Don't adapt a character called CARNAGE if you're not willing to show CARNAGE.
You mean the character that first appeared in a comic for like 13 and up
@@RacingSnails64 Don't adapt a serial killer character like Kassidy in a PG movie.
Well he was in cartoons so who the fuck cares
@@ryansmith-jr4gn He literally ripped someone's spine out in the comic's.Does that sound like pg-13 to you? 💀
I whole heartedly agree. There needs to be another series that is rated r
Agree
@тαρ мє αи∂ ѕєχ ωιтн мє Willow no kiddin! So much wasted potential
“How on earth can you mess this up?” the amount of times I’ve asked this question
The first movie was a complete mess from tone to story, I'm not surprised that they did the same thing tho. Didn't they learned their lesson from the first movie's flaws??
@@800Ms-k6n it also made 800 million so they also said if it ain't broke don’t fix it
I can give the first movie a pass.. it was awful but enjoyable in a way - - you can’t have a sequel with Carnage be enjoyably bad as well.. cos it’s Carnage.
@@edgelessspace7180 bruh just because the first movie made a lot of money doesn't make up the shitty writing, messy narrative, bad dialogue, a miscast of an actor for a villain role, a choppy edited action sequences, unfocused direction, a waste of Michelle Williams in her most thankless role, and the inconsistent tone the movie had. The first movie had a lot of issues that I guess fans just like to ignore it when the studio should've learned their lesson from the first movie to make it better for the sequel instead of covering their ears with money. Transformers Age Of Extinction unexpectedly made a billion dollar but it's still a shitty boring movie anyways. Quality manners more than quantity
@@800Ms-k6n no but it does make alot of sense from a business standpoint... bro Sony is a business above all else after all
I kind of figured that a lukewarm reception, at best, was what this movie would get, when I started seeing reviews from credible critics that boiled down to "If you like goofy things, this is for you". That kind of thing tells me that the critic really wants to say "This movie is kind of bad".
Unfortunately, it also tells me that comic book movie fandom really needs to check itself. It has gotten so bad that a lot of critics are a bit scared to tell people what they actually think; they know that sometimes they'll get death threats for doing nothing but voice their opinion.
If a movie is shit, I want to hear it. If a movie is good, I want to hear it. The fragile egos of the Internet can go to hell.
agreed. very agreed.
Or maybe they just think it's okay, mediocre. Movies can still be this you know lok
Lmao because you should totally take death threats from the internet seriously 🤣. Sound like a bunch of p*ss**s to me.
Legit, the term “masterpiece” has lost just about all meaning, cause people attach it to anything remotely ok. I really didn’t like this movie, and I was surprised to find out I’m lowkey in the minority.
@@themaverick1898
Much like you since you're not man enough to uncensor your comment.
"Hype is the joy-killer" is such a great quote
Anyway dunes coming out soon can't wait!
That reminds me. Why is it that the start of Dune is so much later than it was in Europe? It's already out here for 2 weeks.
Luckily, I came into this movie expecting not much ever since they made it PG-13 instead of R :P
I wasn’t hyped because of how bad the last movie was, but I guess I enjoyed it more because of it
That dune trailer was amazing thoroughly surprised
Epic
I didn't like the version of carnage. I couldn't help but compare him to the 90s cartoon version. I kept thinking he needed a high pitch voice and more a cackling laugh.
@Shin Shaman venom isn't part of the mcu. Do your research? And the movie isn't bad.
Agree...he should have been ALOT more intimidating...they had freaking Woody Harrelson, he could have been TERRIFYING
@@jairthemememaster venom is now kinda now part of the mcu
@@Sesamestreet9080 dude I know that already
@@jairthemememaster bruh at the end of the movie it's confirmed he's in the MCU dumbass 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
It would've been dope to see Carnage pull a Omni-Man if the movie was rated R.
@Shin Shaman if it bugs you that much just don't watch it and stop copy pasting comments it's pathetic
@Shin Shaman i agree
@Shin Shaman dc movies are better and more mature like bvs
@@nate.infinity people are getting their heads cut off eaten and the characters are making cheesy jokes like its a fucking sitcom.
Can’t believe it’s taken me this long to realize but Jeremy has grown an awesome beard.
And he's growing out his hair again too
I dunno, I'm not really feeling that mustache.
He's become Venom Jeremy, AKA the best Jeremy.
Hope he doesn’t cut it off again he looks awesome now
He's grown a badass hairstyle.
I was actually one of the people who loved the first act of Venom 1, especially because it felt like a horror movie in that act. The tone was a serious and tense one. Then they completely screwed that up by forcing unnecessary comedy into the 2nd and 3rd act, where Eddie and venom acted like highschool buddies and venom called himself a loser. That pissed me off. I liked the first movie but my biggest complaint was that the tone was all over the place. It didnt know if it wanted to be a dark vigilante origin story or a fun MCU movie.
If this one really just has Eddie and venom being buddies and arguing with a comedic vibe to it all the way through, and Cletus Kasady has really been watered down to a less dangerous character, then I might skip it entirely. Venom being a comedian is not my thing.
That is literally how the sequel went down
Definitely 👍 I agree. Focusing to much on making all thesw VILLANS LIKEABLE. Its like all these Superhero Movies you got both sides being the comic relief so the action is playful and not serious. That's why we all took Thanos so serious my guy was nkt fucking playing lol.
Yoooo if you like this you should check out my venom 2 review BRAH
@@t.n.tforever3400
For me only ultron and thanos is serious
@@lunoxstiny.3 Big facts 💯
What annoys me is that my favorite parts of the movie was when Eddie and venom just interacted with eachother. But what did they do? They split them up and it does nothing but pad the run time. It would have been cool to see them fight crime together seeing how they do things differently with venom being much more lethal and Eddie wanting to go a more Police officer type route.
You're totally right... the stripped the movie down to 90 mins and created a cookie-cutter plot to get to the final fight scene. Marvel Studios would've done a much, MUCH better job, the only issue of course is that they're owned by Disney who won't permit Logan/Deadpool level violence.
I was afraid they would split venom and Tom up, and they did, it was to predictable I would of preferred if they stayed together throughout the film
Jeremy's transformation into Wolverine during the pandemic has been fun to watch.
Wow, a useful sponsor. That's a rare thing on UA-cam
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@@SpeCt3r1995 facts
Not useful to everyone, I haven't even touched my switch in like 3 years.
Yooooo if you like this you should check out my venom 2 review BRAH
“Jeremy 5 is alive” love the Short Circuit reference/joke
Gotta love Jeremy for being a straight shooter. I pretty much completely trust his review of a film cause he's honest.
The irony of having a character named "Carnage" in a PG-13 movie...
True, brutally murdering people is literally his entire character.
You know it brah.
His name should be
'Off screen Boo boo'
Its not only a name they guy is literally a mass murdering psychopath.
That’s greedy ass Sony for ya
Lots of people are saying these movies failed because of the pg-13 rating, but honestly they failed because the writing, story, and characters are just barely passable. Adding some blood and gore would hardly improve this movie.
You lose the whole point of the carnage character by bibbing him, shakey camming every scene he’s in and cutting away at any moment of violence
@@InlandQuarter I understand and fully agree, but that is the least of these movies fault
@@captainredbeard3457 I can definitely agree the pacing was way too rushed and the writing seemed almost like a junior high student was consulted for humor, but letting loose on the violence with a violent character was definitely needed.
Yeah but it def would be more entertainment
As of seeing the movie I agree. If the same story came out but had more blood and gore to it, it wouldn’t be a good movie. The whole movie feels like one big cluster fuck. They wrote both carnage and Cassidy wrong. The whole first half of the movie was basically a snore fest. The one thing that redeems this movie or at least I say what made the movie “worth it” was the mid credits scene. While carnage is supposed to be this big bad character he barely does shit. Also they did a terrible explanation of what carnage is. It’s pretty much “oh shit he’s red. We lose” and little to nothing is said about it. And idk if the audio mixing was off or it was just my theater. But the audio sounded really off.
"Hype is the joy killer. Maybe looking forward to something for THAT long just makes it destined to fail." When did this turn into a Glass (2019) review?
Damn! With that deep cut. But spot on nonetheless (it was another example of subversion overriding narrative logic and character development that contradicts what came before)
Jesus. you didnt have to bring that up.. lol
Isn't this Dune reference?
@@pofruin "Fear is the mind killer" is. But the rest of the quote bears little resemblance to the mentat mantra.
Ya'll should conitnue this in the spiderman review if Disney doesnt bring in toby and andrew
My biggest issue with this incarnation of Venom overall is that Eddie and Venom feel like individuals sharing the same space. Instead it should be that the combination of the Symbiote and Eddie ARE Venom. This fundamental change in the character is what will always be impossible for the to reconcile, despite my best efforts when watching the first.
Definitely 👍 I agree. Focusing to much on making all thesw VILLANS LIKEABLE. Its like all these Superhero Movies you got both sides being the comic relief so the action is playful and not serious. That's why we all took Thanos so serious my guy was nkt fucking playing lol.
This is why cutting out the reason for them joining together was wrong.
Yoooo if you like this you should check out my venom 2 review BRAH
@@parkerboy795 I think even without Spider-Man, they could still make the symbiote relationship with Eddie a compelling one. After all, both Eddie and the Symbiote had a common enemy, the guy from the Life Foundation. If they had taken the time to show how he ruined his life, and have the symbiote spend a long incubation period on Eddie as he when through it, that would have made for a very similar situation to what we normally would see from it. Honestly the best chance at a Venom story is with Marvel's Spider-Man 2 video game.
@@neophenom Maybe, but they settled with with them both being losers and Venom apparently changing his mind because of Eddie. Yeah, I trust Insomniac and need a decent adaptation of the Venom story soon.
*Watching that Prison Escape Scene* felt like it was meant to have blood, guts, snot , spit and ejaculate flying everywhere - - but they had to settle for that PG- 13 rating which made Carnage feel significantly less threatening.
Yeah man it desperately needed that
Abdullah Naeem - Fr - I was so disappointed when instead of straight up offing people - he just threw them around. Basically becoming another MCU / Superhero generic villain.
Dman, I wanted to see Carnage on screen but I also wanted to see the carnage that he'll do. Knowing that this movie's pg 13, it's a turn off tbh. He's literally called Carnage, why would they turn the gore down? Why?
I just watched it and something about it also feels very cartoonish and not menacing at all
Use your imagination
"The First movie was a better movie"
Well Carnage is fucked.
Just more generic, pg13, childish crap for the normies to consume. The first film wasn't good and made Venom a "superhero," lol. So the fact that this one is even worse really bums me out. Proof that these people have no idea what to do with these characters. Sad time for film and art.
Im afraid now to watch the movie😬😬😬
@@emiyavalentine5969 then don't watch it
@@shawklan27 ok
I mean you could always see the movie and make your own opnion. Because my god. I just saw the movie and I could not disagree more with Jeremy even if I tried.
Now does that mean the movie is good? No. The movies dumbas hell. But the improved visuals (God the first movie was fucking ugly) and the actors having a ball with this campy script and being directed by a guy who knows all about performance with a CGi character made it enjoyable.
Then again maybe the reason why I didnt hate it like Jeremy because I knew what to expect going in. A B movie with a big budget and im all for it.
I feel this movie is just like Freddy vs Jason and Alien vs Predator. The fight we want to see is awesome but the stuff leading up to it is a chore to sit through.
Add Kong Vs Godzilla
@@kchikwete no that movie slapped
@@kchikwete nah ppl thoroughly enjoyed kong vs godzilla, dont comapre that to other shitty vs movies
@@GhostMan407 GvK was also dumb shit tho. It would be hypocritical to love GvK and not Venom is also dumb.
@@申月営無営月無営有申 i liked venom quite a bit, but godzilla vs kong was way better, we got a bunch of cool fight, some cool lore, and mechagodzilla, as well as a much more limited time with the humans which was nice, even though the humans were actually pretty interesting this time
Sony clearly doesn't care about Venom enough to assure it either follows the source material or innovates enough without seeming totally undermined. This whole concept of Venom constantly being comic relief and pretending it's somehow "friendly" is just ridiculous. There's some great ideas but they're wasted with terribly disjointed pacing, characterizations, storytelling and its weak MPAA rating. But most importantly, I CANNOT understand why Shriek was COMPLETELY miscast with absolute audacity and disrespect. This sequel is as mediocre as the first movie because Sony deliberately dropped its potential faster than Gwen Stacy falling to her death in The Amazing Spider-Man 2.
Thank you i can't stand that Comic Banter they keep using for every Superhero Movie. It all Started with Iron Man. Because Robert DJ is comical and so is Tony Stark it worked, but then they did it with Thor and so on. Now its like some jokes they are just trying to hard to be funny. Which pulls away from the Plot.
Would've been a great movie if we were able to see an actual rated R background buildup to Carnage.
The first movie had its flaws (the final fight was garbage IMO), but I left the first movie thinking that it was a fun movie, but I left Venom 2 thinking that it was a waste of time, definitely the worst movie I have seen in theaters since they opened back up.
Me and you both buddy.
imagine cletus cassidy crying like a bitch about his past
The first movie was decent the second was just too rushed and the only they wanted is to connect the film with the mcu via multiverse same mistake sony made with tasm2 trying to setup sinister six instead of focusing on electro looks like sony never learn from their mistakes
"I mean, It's Venom vs Carnage, how on earth could you mess this up?"
Well Jeremy, they messed up Batman vs Superman, so they can mess up lit-er-ally _anything._ Anything at all.
This isnt a Warner movie...
I love BvS. One of my favourite movie.
The director cut
There is shriek dude
@A Fat Cat The Dark Knight trilogy > the entire MCU tho
Hmm bvs was pretty good in my opinion, but naming it Batman vs Superman was a bad call since that’s just not what the movie was trying to be mostly.
I think one of the issues I have is that I understand that as a director/writer, you can reinvent the telling of a story. But while Venom does become an anti-hero, they kind of skipped a major character point in Venom being a villain. Which ties into not having Spider-Man. I know that Sony was not able to use the character, but it is very hard to make a Venom movie without Spider-Man when the two characters are tied to each other. I do still want to see the film since i saw the first, but it just seems like it's a film that happens to have Venom as a character.
This is why these movies should have never been done.
@@ramaya007 I was entertained by the first film, but there is only so far you can go when you don't have characters that are crucial to the story you are telling. At that point, it's not a Venom movie.
It's already time for a reboot!
@@froggy7570 facts this version of venom is horrible
Yooooo if you like this you should check out my venom 2 review BRAH
What this review translates to in my ears: Tom basically carried the whole movie. Just like he did the first one.
100%
@@Axolotl_Mischief
… then I’ll still watch it 🤣
But not worth paying to watch it at the cinema
@@themurrrr Woody Harrelson did good also, but he just wasn't given as much focus as Eddie and Venom were, so you kind of forget that he's even in the movie at parts, mostly during the scenes that were heavily focusing on Venom, when they should have been focusing more on Cletus Kasady and Carnage.
@@themurrrr lol just watched it for free
you’re tripping anna, first movie was enjoyable.
_Jeremy:_ *"It's a satchel. Indiana Jones had a satchel."*
_Me:_ *"So did Joy Behar."*
This joke wasn't funny in the movie why did I find it funny now?
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom because you understood that reference 🤣
Who is Joy Behar? Some politician?
@@cadethumann8605 the battle axe on the view
@@NeverSaySandwich1 I'm sorry, I'm not sure if I understand. Would you be so kind as to elaborate?
IMO seems like whenever Sony are left in sole charge of writing and creating a movie from the Spiderman universe, they lack any real plan/direction that pays respect to the source material. Instead we just get another attempt at a cash grab
Well..., to be fair, when i think of sony i think of electronics, so don't expect their media branch to be that important, fox on the other side had the balls for logan and deadpool(after being bullied by the audience and later having deadpool breaking 800m at the box office, but still.)
@@dimitrivavoulis2184 agreed, they've tried to create this spider-verse a couple of times and it could become overkill. Not everything has to be its own cinematic universe. Like where WB failed with justice league but created great standalone cinema with joker and Nolan Batman films
Because Sony is and will be trash, hate how they have the rights to the spiderman universe..
@@amarbhati8802 I'm actually interested to know at what extent the executives actually look at this films, because there might have been 1 guy that was like "So the bad guy is a serial killer that admits to know what human blood tastes like..., make it pg-13 so parents can watch it with their little ones"
@@dimitrivavoulis2184 fox was bolder than Sony and marvel combined. Because after a half decade of unsuccessful X-men wolverine movies and hit or misses with the past series they realized that they should take risks and it paid out. Deadpool 1&2 and Logan were their most successful super hero movies for good reason. Sony and marvel could learn from this. They keep it pg-13 to maximize profits. They would probably make similar if not identical box office regardless
The first Venom was overhyped and just ok to me. The trailers for this movie told me this was going to be worse. Shame.
@Shin Shaman nah its a fun movie which is why I had fun watching it, so I’ll keep watching these movies whenever they come out sorry dude.
Thank you, finally someone talking about carnage’s voice being an issue
I think the main problem with movies like these is that they're sooooo limited by Hollywood. They're forced to have a specific rating to broaden their audience, a love interest, and annoying comedy that doesn't fit (not saying all of it is bad lol).
the main problem with this movie and the first one is that sony doesnt actually know what they are doing at all and are too petty to let marvel do it for them.
Good review now go onto rotten tomatoes and write it up there too
Really disappointing because we get the good and the bad for marvel. You can tell the difference how these companies handle their characters on the big screen.
Sony definitely knows how to make good products, if they stop keeping their creative team on a leash. I feel, no matter who they hired as a director won't matter, if Sony doesn't back off in the creative department. Otherwise, we'll won't be seeing top tier Superhero movies from them, any time soon.
Similar issues like this happen in other studios before, like in DC films, Star Wars and other franchises. Sony's Video game and animation department were great, but, why they having such a hard time with their live action franchises, is beyond me. Lol.
@Rita 25 y.o - check my vidéó Yep. It's weird, how their games and animation are doing a better job then, their movies. Their having similar issues to what WB had with some their DC properties. 😁👍
I am so glad you brought up the voice; that was so incredibly off when I first heard it, because it didn't even match Kasady. It should've been the voice from the 90s animated show or, just spitballing here, the one from the "Spider-Man PS1" game. Speaking of which...
SPOILERS
WHY on Earth did they make Kasady and Carnage two separate things? That's the literal opposite of Carnage; a creature so bonded that if the symbiote goes away, Kasady can just regenerate him from his bloodstream. That's how bonded they are; they're one, to the point where he even says "I", not "we." This movie went out of its way to make it that Cletus didn't want to be a part of Carnage at the end, which is a fundamental difference in his character and fails to understand what to do with it. So Jeremy's right: I think the studio heads were afraid to have both Venom and Carnage actually act like themselves for fear of turning off normal audiences.
THIS! Literally took me out of the movie when they had that going on between Carnage/Cletus. Like you had one job to get Carnage right and for whatever reason you went with that?? Made it WAY less interesting than it should've been imo.
Bro it’s a movie nothing has to be accurate
@@makeouthill4822 I mean if you're basing it off of already established characters you should have a certain level of accuracy. It's insanely disappointing to the fans if/when something doesn't match up, especially if it's a big character trait, because if it doesn't match up then you may as well slap a different/new name on the person - they're just using the character's name for popularity's sake at that point, kinda like they did for Taskmaster recently. Like, we're not even talking about whitewashing/blackwashing/genderbending the character, just that the character is fundamentally different from how he is in the comics.
@@thatsaksyguy Batman’s never been accurate and mostly ( one exception- George Clooney-) have all been different… toms spidey isn’t accurate and I know people criticize that… neither have the jokers been accurate. thanos wasn’t. Superman, captain America, bucky/ winter solider, wasp… I could keep going… plus in my opinion they showed what Kasady is… a sadistic serial killer that has no empathy for human life and only for himself. I hate that approach towards comic book movies. It’s an adaptation not a straight out of the comic book adaptation…
@@makeouthill4822 but the problem is, with most if not all the examples made here, they are SLIGHT alterations to a character to help them fit in with the story (Thanos in the comics was trying to court Death, but that doesn't make sense for the story so they took liberty with that in wanting to just balance the universe and it works; Batman from any of the stories minus GC and BA had slight variations but kept the fundamentals for what made Batman Batman (ie his parents died and he fights crime with a no kill rule - or ig in those versions 'tries his best not to kill'); and as far as I was aware Captain America and Bucky were pretty accurate to how they were in the comics but i could totally be wrong). It's the major changes to big, fan favorite characters that cause audiences to become really divided (ie the MCU making Tony Peter's Uncle Ben, MCU 'Mandarin'/Aldrich Killian in IM3, ZS Batman killing, ZS Superman not being hopeful all the time, etc...). The thing about Carnage is the difference between him and Venom is he becomes so close to his symbiote that they're basically indistinguishable from each other; Cletus IS Carnage, whereas Eddie is still Eddie and the symbiote is the symbiote, and the TWO TOGETHER are Venom. It's one of Carnage's signature traits aside from the fact that he is a serial killer like you said. Movies can be movies, they can and will still take liberties and most of the time they're very slight and work with the story so it's fine, but when they make changes to a character like this then a lot of fans get really disappointed is all im saying. I thought overall the movie was decent at best, not because of this, mainly the writing, but it really was odd that they decided to do this with Carnage...
This movie was kind of doomed. The whole first movie should’ve been dark, almost horror. The tension of venom taking over your body. Instead it’s light hearted full of jokes. He should not have fought carnage so soon. That should’ve been built up to for the third movie.
Agreed!! the light hearted tone of the 1st movie made the intense fight scenes even less impactful. i'm guessing its the same with this one too.
They made him lighthearted and make jokes in order to fit with Tom Holland’s Spider man, that’s why
@Luis Martinez since everything in the mcu is now technically cannon and symbiotes share a hive mind my theory is that venom remembers what Tobeys spider man did to the other venom and that’s his reasoning
The horror comedy moments of the first were the best. I really would have been down for a horror plot with comedy laced through. Dark with some camp elements. Then some scenes like the connivence store and confronting the neighbor to let it have some breathing room. The sad thing is you wouldn't even have to change too much. Just come at it a but differently. Then this second one would have been set up in a way that would allow it to be more in line with what suits Carnage.
Truthfully, I feel like this movie did to Carnage what the Wolverine movie did to Deadpool. Writers that have no understanding of the characters wrote the script.
This movie in a better time, if you're a parasite.
Venom: Parasite?! ….. apologize! apologize! 😡.
The CGI of Venom's head coming out of Eddie's back, through his clothes, and his clothes not being affected, really bugs me
He can go over clothes, its stupid but its always been a thing. From comics, to cartoons to movies.
@@WinstonPoptart No, the symbiote usually disguises itself as clothing.
The symbiote can mimic clothing, so no, you're just ignorant and have never read any of the comics you're attempting to defend.
I think he is seeping through the fabric at least that’s how I think of it
I dont see why the symbiote cant just go through the tiny tiny openings between threads in clothes lol
It's sci fi material so it can happen, why not
After watching this, everything in this vid is 100% facts
@Shin Shaman Aw look at little Shaman junior. Gonna cry?
@Shin Shaman stop copying and pasting we get it dude we all didn’t like it
That After credits scene left my jaw on the floor.
The cinema went wild lol
These movies are missing the one thing that made these characters great in the first place: SpiderMan.
😉
@@cityboychad Even if he’s gonna be a part of this universe somehow, it’s just a shame that Peter Parker wasn’t a part of Venom’s origin.
I don't agree, because even if spiderman is in the movie won't make the story any better. It needs a better script/plot, more characters doesn't mean better.
It doesn’t need Spider-Man, but if it’s PG-13 than it should be a Spider-Man movie.
tbf venom had way more intresting arcs with eddie and even flash, his stories don't need spiderman anymore
These Venom movies feel like such a waste without Spidey. Would loved to have seen a proper black suit Tom Holland movie with Carnage later on
I'm betting he'll either be in No Way Home or the next Spiderman film.
Iron Lad should stay away from Venom
Spiderman does show up during the mid credit scene/setting up future crossover movies
That sounds like a terrible idea, no offense. Tom Holland's spiderman was made for children, and he is not the spiderman of venom's story. I just don't see it being very organic for both story and tone. Though, they really really want to water venom down anyways why not make that cash?
@@202cardline Terrible or not, it's happening at some point based on Venom 2's post credits scene.
The ONLY thing holding this franchise back is the insistence of making it child friendly. Venom SHOULD be rated R. It needs violence and gore. Otherwise its just not that good, but the post credit scene was hype though.
Gore and violence does not make a movie good. The execution of the movie is not good. The story and dialogue is weak. This movie should take advantage of the psychological struggle of venom as a character. Look at joker?
@@Luis-by7li yea exactly I mean look at the last hellboy remake, it was pretty gory and yet it sucked
Why should it be rated R, edgelord?
It's not the only thing not even close
@@orinanime learn to read.
Would have loved to see venom done up with a more horror tone. A version of mcu Batman vs joker just with symbiotes I would cast Rupert grint as Cassidy. Venom not fulfilling his job to secure a food source for collective. Carnage now tries to continue what was started.
If they made it a R-Rated film with non stop action and violence, it would've been better
Basically like Mad Max Fury Road but with Venom and Carnage, yeah would've been much better
@@Blitz-dm3kv and you clearly have never read the comic book in which Carnage is an R Rated dangerous violent character in the comics that literally eats humans. The reason why people wanted this to be R Rated is because the fact that Carnage is in this. It's a missed opportunity to make this R Rated.
Like Jeremy said *"I read Novels with Carnage that were more Graphic"* literally it means that Carnage is a Violent character and why tf they put him in a PG13 movie????
And what's the point of saying "know nothing about movies?". Joker, Deadpool and Logan prove that R Rated comic book movies can be great and a success at the box office, why can't Venom 2 too?? Do you know anything about movies better than those smart filmmakers out there???
Also a better script wouldve helped!!
The r rating wouldn’t help if the writing is ass. Thy need a better script. These movies are just cash grab for corporate suits.
R rating checks off one box of many
The film had other problems too
I really did find it weird that carnage had a lower toned voice I expected him to sound more sadistic and crazy but other than that I liked carnage and his design.
So many people decided this movie was amazing before they even saw it.
But but but... the design! They got a good design for 2 CGI characters, that's why the movie is gonna be great, who cares how awful the writing is?
We all wanted this movie to be amazing. Granted, I want every movie to be a great movie and a movie I end up loving but unfortunately that's not the case
Same happens with so many franchise movies.. MCU is the main one I can think of - even when the movie is mid - people act like it’s Film of the year.
@@firstlast9846 you bang on the money
@Jkong Hong my g I just said it happens with so many franchises.. its not just Marvel - if u wanna enjoy 2 hours of bad humor and fight scenes.. by all means enjoy - the movies are entertaining but that's it. not film of the year.
Just saw the movie in the theater, it was my first time going after almost two years now. And I agree with you 100%
It’s hilarious seeing all of the people on here discrediting other peoples opinions as “dishonest” just because they liked it. People are allowed to think differently than you
The guy is literally paid to give biased views
@@vsingh8078 remember his dunkirk review?
If this got the R-rating and they took it to a new level of chaos with Carnage, they could have really set a new bar for comic book movies. The graphic novels called for a more serious and *graphic* movie
About the PG-13, when I was a kid in the 90's Marvel was under the Comic Code and that was when Venom was launched, so I believe that they could make Venom work with PG-13, but of course it would be nice with an R-rating.
its not venom that doesn't work, its carnage that doesn't, its his whole character to be brutal
they could have but the thing is they just did not bother to get the character correct. Its almost as if they chose to ignore decades of source material on both Venom and Brock. That or Sony just really sucks at movies for the most part and Spiderverse was a rare exception.
Ron Foster tbh I think spiderverse got lucky with its directors and writers, Sony are such lacksters
@@MrHerolet To be honest I always hated Carnage. Thought he was silly. A lot of it had to do with that I really don't like how Mark Bagley draws. I was more of a Todd McFarlane Spider-Man boy.
What? The CCA was abolished way before the 90s
I want to know why Deadpool and Wolverine are the only cookbook characters to get a real opportunity to go full scale R Rated introduction to the silver screen
The PG-13 thing will forever haunt this movie and the missed opportunity.
I’ll never understand why this movie doesn’t get past its limits in terms of violence while TFATWS are able to show Bucky throwing a pipe into a womans arm and Falcon and Bucky snapping John Walkers arm
As someone who doesn’t like superhero movies and haven’t seen the first one I sat there like “I feel this bickering would have happened in the first movie”, then when the falling out happened in like I feel like that could have almost been stretched and borderline ran parallel to maybe some flashbacks between Cassidy/his girlfriend to flesh out the villain, because I enjoyed woody’s part in the movie probably the most of anything. The fight/dynamic of 2 beings with the same weakness was cool, but idk I was surprised I didn’t fall asleep during it but it was just ok
If you don't like superhero movies why did you pay to see the superhero movie
@@breadloaves9453 I didn’t I was invited by a friend he paid for my ticket
I agree some more character building be cool.
@@breadloaves9453 nice assumptions d bag
'Upgrade', is the best "Venom" movie we'll ever get.
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Change my mind.
A man of culture! 👏
I keep hearing about upgrade where can I see it.
@@aydenbelcourt6035 The last time I saw it available was on Amazon Prime for rent. If it's less than $5.00 US it's worth it.
Agreed. Upgrade was twice as good with half the budget.
Can't change a fact.
Since I haven't really been able to watch anything new since the pandemic started I stopped watching reviews for the most part. Finally thought to come back, hit the video, got distracted a bit so was listening but not seeing the screen, looked over casually, and did a double take at the beard lol. Looking good!
In response to the intro, right back at you jeremy, i value your reviews even more after youtube kinda lost stuckmanns voice to a certain degree. Thanks for the insight, laughs and just being you. Rock on dude.
How did yt lose stuckmans voice what do you mean?
@@headshot217 Chris is now more focused on being an actual director/making his own movies, so his reviews are less frequent
@@SimaoMachado97 ah fair enough thanks
@@SimaoMachado97 Also they're all positive reviews which kinda ruin the point of reviews. Its like before i even click on the video i know what its going to be.
@@arupmistry1378 they're not reviews. It's just him talking about movies he likes now. Don't go to him for reviews anymore, go to him for him.
Let’s hope for an R rated Director’s cut on Bluray
Actually no, Serkis said there won't be any director's cut for the movie, that's extremely unfortunate
@@800Ms-k6n Sometimes you never know. Sam Raimi said he would never release an alternate cut of Spider-Man 3 and then 10 years later he did.
@@jackhussey2918 well that's Raimi, idk about Serkis tho. Depends on every director tho, Serkis didn't have any studio interference so I doubt we're getting a director's cut any time soon, I could be wrong tho, who knows
@@800Ms-k6n yeah. I was just making an example. Sometimes you never know for sure
@@jackhussey2918 Venom let there be carnage is 15 minutes shorter than the first one. Not one hour, lol.
1:08 for ad skip
First movie
-Negative from critics
-Audience loved it
Second movie
-Mixed (there's love) from critics
-Audience hated it
This is Sony....it's not about the long term it's just about ticket sales.
so she was always😐😚😊😂
Yeah I mean Sony has no attention of letting go of the spiderman franchise!
They will never listen to the fans as long as their ears are covered with cash
Their literally adding venom to spider man seems pretty long term
Best Thursday! Jeremy has a review up!
the split between people being paid to write good reviews and honest reviews is glaringly obvious
The key word is fun. Every time I hear a reviewer say but it's a fun movie I know that it's probably mediocre. I've heard a couple of positive reviewers say but it's a fun movie. When I think about Let There Be Carnage I'm thinking about a Horror/Action movie regardless of rating. But to hear them say it's a fun movie, so bring your kids and grandma and grandpa. SMDH. 🤔
I never get tired of hearing Jeremy's Bane impression.
The thing that ruined it was Kletus Cassidy's love interest, If she want there they could have made the fight scenes alot better, and it felt about 30 minutes short...
@Luis Martinez I thought she was gonna end up helping venom but the only think she did was make carnage and Kletus not get along, good movie but once again an unneeded character made it good and not great
Actually, she did something to the chief that shot her because his eyes were glowing blue, so maybe they are setting him up for a bad guy in another movie?? What do u 🤔
@Luis Martinez 😂🤣 they gave her a backstory just to kill her, and the cop that shot her literally did nothing, they should have just said that Kletus wanted revenge on Eddie, and carnage wanted to kill venom, that would have been fine🤦
@Luis Martinez Thank the Feminists-Alphabet Mafia. That's them hard at work.
From the beginning of the movie I assumed she was gonna be used in some way to fuck Carnage up and give Venom the win.
What baffles me is how Carnage is brought in and killed and they then decide to tease Toxin...HUH?!
Yeah that cop who barely did anything is Patrick Mulligan, the host of Toxin, Carnage's spawn..so within the span of a single movie we get 2 symbiote offspring. Christ...
Venom at a rave... an event where ear drum bursting music is everywhere... wouldn't that be the last place Venom would want to go?
Im glad to see this movie appears to be exactly as divisive as the first movie. Im seeing mixed reviews across the board, which at the very least means itll be an interesting watch whether its good or bad.
It won’t be boring, that’s for sure! 🤣😆
It currently has a 75% on rotten tomatoes so it may not be as divisive as the first.
I'm not really sure where you're getting that opinion from tbh, mixed reviews usually tell me the movie is gonna be boring more often than not.
I am Just Excepting a Goofy Movie with Dumb Plot and Characters doing Dumb Shit with "we don't Know what the fuck were doing" tone Its will be Bad And iam gonna Enjoy making fun of it
Isnt the division just like the first movie, means that most people thought it was boring, bland and short movie to forget and half people also just like Venom, but didnt like the portrayal, so they were, like meh - action movie? I mean, its bad Venom portrayal, it seems to be also bad Carnage portrayal. Sony is generally uninterested in making good movies or characters, just interested into leeching into that MCU goldtrain. Thats why they made those movies in the first place, not because they had a good idea for a movie - they clearly havent :)
Hot Take: Venom from Spider-Man 3 is the best live-action Venom. YES, this Venom is BIGGER and not played by Topher Grace. HOWEVER, when he was Venom, he was TERRIFYING, almost beating Spider-Man to death! Raimi was forced to put in Venom, and he did the best he could. Nough said IMO
Love the review man I agree with on so much of it but also I absolutely loved Venom: Let there be Carnage. I found it so fun and in all super cool. Loved carnage but wanted more from the character and still would have loved an R rating. Venom was also still the highlight and Tom Hardy so Tom hardy so that answers that. Overall 8/10 to me and can’t wait to see that how end credits play out.
Venom VS Carnage is everything we’ve wanted
Amazing movie i love it..
It sucks, carnage is not insane, and carnage and cletus don’t have a strong bond
Same
Everything we wanted but not what we got.
@Luis Martinez the movie was terrible man. I was replying to we wanted Venom vs Carnage... And that's not what we got hahaha.
People kinda forget that Venom was actually just merely a competent movie. It wasn't great, it was okay. It sounds like Let There Be Carnage is also, at best, okay. At least it's consistent.
It really is. Bc it addressed everything from the first one with a lot of people being killed. Story wise that was a great decision despite the one year time skip.
We also got venom and Eddie's rather toxic and abusive relationship they had to deal with.
It was a lot to pack in but bc of how minor it all was fitting it in the movie worked really well.
I just wish there was more fighting between venom and Carnage bc the first encounter was also the final fight in the whole thing.
Venom was pretty boring, a unoriginal imo. Everything was expected and generic
@@furionmax7824 exactly more fight scenes between venom and carnage would've been good. Like with Godzilla vs Kong you get two fights and the Mechagodzilla
@@kingkazuma2239 there is a way to justify the single fight in this movie that I just thought of.
Unlike Godzilla vs King Kong. Those two weren't really out to kill each other. Kong was essentially intercepting Big G. Plus they had a tendency to flee from one another like most animals do when they're injured or in Godzilla's case he had more important matters like tracking and killing Mecha G.
Carnage however had a singular goal: kill venom. There would be no second fight bc carnage wouldn't stop until venom was dead. As we saw in the movie Cletus had no real control over Carnage the way Eddie keeps venom in check. Carnage is stronger, faster, more adaptable. He wouldn't let venom get away if he tried to run.
Then there's the church. In a straight up fight. Venom would lose. So they had to set up a favorable battle field for the two of them. Big. Lots of cover and most importantly a loud noise source which were the church bells.
If venom and Carnage fought as soon as Cletus got out of jail. The fight would be over in a few seconds. There would be no second fight.
Knowing all this. The singular fight is justified. Thoughts?
@@kingkazuma2239 plus the church is kind of poetic considering that's where Peter forcibly removed venom from his body. The place that was the source of his anger and grief and rejection was instead the source of his strength and acceptance.
Just watched it. I felt like I was high cause I didn’t really understand anything? A lot was left out, I needed subtitles cause I couldn’t really understand Venom when he talked, too much dialogue/not enough? Rave scene? Love triangle again?? The cops eyes?!?! Only thing that made me happy was the end credit scene 🤷🏽♀️
Just finished watching the movie guys and all ima say is…carnage really shoulda been R… theres so many scenes that you will just think”man..if this movie was R..”
My problem with this movie whats that Carnage didn't act like Carnage he was like a Venom/Riot Hybrid, Carnage is supposed to be a villan who kills his victims in the most brutal way possible but instead he just slaps people the entire time.
Exactly
The post credit scene of this movie made me shed tears of anger and disappointment, I do not want nor need this turd of a version of Venom in the MCU. The only consolation I got is knowing that Insomniac is gonna give us the best version of Venom we’ll see in any media for years to come. Seeing this team handling characters they respect and love, well, it does put a smile on my face
A PG 13 carnage was 100% bound to fail. Should've been Rated R.
Facts
Not really