*Athena (the overwatch omni AI) is tricking overwatch team into thinking that the omni is good when they're actually evil. reaper and widowmaker found out and created talon into stopping the omni. unfortunately the rest of overwatch team is unaware of Athenas schemes. talon are actually good guys and portrayed as the bad guys. interesting plot*
Dear Kapplan, how could I have not realized it? The evil play style, the OP move set, it all comes together! All this time Talon's leader as been *Gets frozen*
I cant help but think that there's something wrong with Widowmaker's BG Story ever since I heard her interaction with Ana. The part where she says: "You know nothing about him (Gerard)". It makes him look like the bad guy. Maybe Gerard isn't so innocent in the story. Maybe he has something to do with the Overwatch Civil War. Also, Blizzard! if you're reading this, please make a brawl about the Overwatch Civil War. Thank You :D
Personally, I feel it is just that Amelie still truely loves him and feels remorse for killing him. Therefore, she responds like that because Ana's talking shit on her true love.
1)widow maker moves: she kill mondata either to disbalanced omnics and human or to lure overwatch agents from undercover. 2)reaper hacking move: they maybe want to hack winstons computer to locate sombra which might have one of the god programs. They also can locate others overwatch agents. 3)the effort to steal doomfist gaunlet: they maybe try to use the weapon or retrieve it for doomfist himself because doomfist might be weak without his weapon and he dont want to risk his life to retrieve it himself. so i think doomfist might be working/the leader of talon.
I like your ideas! They're really good, I like the idea of Reaper's hacking move becuase Sombra is a trickster so maybe she gave Reaper the hacking device and said "If you want me in, you're gonna have to find me" so the hacking device was a clue or something to help Reaper
How about this: Sombra communicated with the god programs acting as a diplomat between them, and in an effort to reduce opposition of the second omnic rising were promised some kind of protection or power if they aided the omnics or god programs. So instead of a "who" leading Talon, its just the god program(s)? The programs are either under quarantine which only Sombra can access, or they are in hiding and only Sombra knows how to contact them.
I've actually thought of something like that as well, not that Sombra communicated with the god programs per say but that they may be doing this to become the dictators of the world and they plant to use the second Omnic crisis as the way of achieving it.
That could be possible, but then wouldn't it seem weird that Sombra is more interested in exposing the president of Lumerico and giving power back to the people of Mexico? Where do the god programs fit in there? Unless this "king" (likely self proclaimed) is communicating with the god programs and Sombra is trying to get the people to realize that Overwatch is needed again. It's a super long stretch, but reaper's line on Dorado; "Where's sombra when you need her", could imply she's gone off the map and no longer supports Talon/Blackwatch. I don't know if anything in game is directly related to the OW story or sombra ARG to the point where it's cannon, because if it is, then why would reaper fight with jack? Widow with Tracer? Etc. Seems like a lot of the Sombra ARG is simply retelling a story that happens in (your time in game) the future. In the game modes, why is the fist being transported? What's on the truck on Dorado? It's going to Lumerico, why? Did Agents(you) agree to help sombra? (Gibraltor/Dorado/route 66, one has a bomb(?)/Life pod? on it, why? Why does Sombra have so much influence and control over what's happening in the OW universe? Is Blizzard just trying to get us to focus on one thing? Is there a larger plot yet to be revealed? At what point does Blizz separate Gameplay from lore? Does the Sombra ARg tie into anything? Or is it just a really poorly executed ARG?
I think that Liao is the leader of Talon. She wants power to control. She wants to control omnics (keep them safe from God Programm). But she hates Overwatch for some reasons. She needs doomfist. Also I noticed that Widowmaker offered Hanzo to join Talon. Maybe Talon wants weapons from Shimada? Who knows
Maybe Talon wants to know the Shimada's secret to the dragons. In the animated short, it's confirmed that Hanzo and Genji's ults are real, "physical" things, Hanzo says that only a Shimada can wield the dragons. Whether it's some kind of secret technology, some genetic, x-men type ability that runs in the family, or some ancestral magical, mystical, mythical secret bs. If you play the game, you've seen what 2 people that can wield the dragons could do, so imagine what an army or at the very least about a dozen could do with that ability.
What if Doomfist is gonna be the boy from the "winston and tracer" trailer? The third Doomfist picture is called "the successor" and it is black maybe becouse there is not a third Doomfist yet. The boy already used the fist so he could be the next one... The successor!
i think your close to the right idea i just see talon as carrying out overwatch's original mission to extreme means what if there whole goal is to not only stop the second omni crisis but to make sure omnics never rise again they attacked Winston to get the overwatch list to try and sway overwatch memebers to join there side(they didnt want Winston cus he more.then likely would side with the omnics as seeing his close relationship with Athena) the attack on the god ai could have been them trying to force phara and her team to destroy it, the assiantion of the omnic leader would cause the destabilization of omnics human relation, i know blizzard like to do grey story telling just look at the horde and the alliance in wow both heading to the same finish line on to separate tracks
Anyone asked themselves this question: doesn't the story of Jack Morris and Gabriel Reyes bring some suspicion? in weird circumstances, they both confronted in OVerwatch HQ, suddenly, the whole place was down to ruins, what if that's not what really happened? What if the Talons are not as evil as they are pictured? we do see WidowMaker in "Alive" where Tracer was down and helpless on the ground, yet WidowMaker didn't take her out, perhaps because she's not really interested in killing her, but only Mondotta? I once heard that Jamison Fawkes (AKA Junkrat) found some very disturbing information that made him #1 wanted in the world, what did he exactly find out? So many questions remain unanswered, what I do think, if you notice in the end of "we are overwatch" is that at some point, all OverWatch & Talon agents will unite together against a common foe, who that is? hard to tell
I think it's also worth mentioning that it's implied Talon (or at least Widowmaker; due to a voice conversation between Hanzo and Widow in Hanamura) is willing to help Hanzo (and maybe Genji because they're brothers and both amazing potential Talon recruits; one of them is a former overwatch agent and both of them are highly skilled fighters) restore his (their?) family's criminal empire, to which Hanzo is reluctant fearing the repercussions. I mean, their family probably was powerful and a major influence in it's day, but other than that it wouldn't make sense to restore a fallen crime family in a very localized region as opposed to a say an entire city government or regional government in Japan.
Mccree noticed similar tactics because the assault on the train happened years after Reyes became Reaper and joined Talon. Talon existed and was a problem before Overwatch's downfall.
One theory I have had in my mind is that perhaps the former Overwatch operators found out something about the Overwatch or the god programs which made them turn on the Overwatch organization in the belief that they are fighting to save humanity from something. Way to hell is paved with good intentions.
i get the feeling that talon and overwatch are kind of like hydra and shield. talon either originated from, or planted sleeper agents within overwatch/blackwatch, and when shit hit the fan, they went out of their way to recall all their own agents, and recruit other former overwatch members.
Blackwatch, which was run by Reyes, has been noted as doing kidnapping, torture and murder which was bad enough but what if Reyes wanted to do things that wouldn't even show up on Overwatch files at all! My theory is that Reyes started Talon, that way he could conduct operations completely 'of the books' and it would explain how Talon obtained high level gear and technology (Amelie's conversion to widowmaker to start with) as well as why overwatch could never beat Talon. Talon had an 'inside man' being the head of Blackwatch.
There was always something off with Widowmaker with me. The whole mind control angle didn't sit well with me because she is very much lucid. Heck, she even sometimes shows remorse over Gerard's death. I think Amelie tried to convince Gerard to join Talon but when he refused, her hand was forced.
I believe Doomfist (The Scourge) is the "leader" of Talon. One of Talon's primary missions is to retrieve The Doomfist, probably to be used by some member of Talon, but who? Sometimes when Reaper plays on Numbani, he will say "Doomfist should do his own dirty work" which implies The Scourge (or another Doomfist, who knows) is commanding Reaper, or someone is commanding him on behalf of Doomfist. Recently The Doomfist has been successfully stolen from the Numbani payload and used to destroy some OR-15s in the airport, so we can expect something new to come out around or after the time Orisa gets added to the live servers.
There's an alternative theory that Talon is merely an organization that's just using more extreme methods to do good. Like the Widowmaker assassination of Mondatta, it resulted in the erection of his statue and that was said to have further strengthened the bonds between humans and omnics. We can also see the way they're persistently trying to gather weapons as a way to ensure it never falls into the wrong hands, maybe a lack of confidence in Overwatch being the only guardian force around. Also, it could be argued that Talon exists to keep Overwatch on their toes, constantly making sure they never get complacent, possibly preparing them for a larger crisis in the future (2nd omnic crisis maybe?). Who knows?
I don't think its reaper but more like reaper brought in some old blackwatch tactics as a part of whatever deal he made with talon. That wouls explain the blackwatch tactics and i say that reaper isn't directly from talon because he has a short dialogue with widowmaker saying "good to work with you again" with a response along the lines of "hope it goes better than last time" refering to the doomfist failed theft and indicating that they don't work together on a regular basis
Mandatta gets shot. Mandatta is an omnic. Which is just an advanced robot with human-like AI. Why couldn't Mandatta just be put in a new body? Did they not back him up??
There is definitly something else formed Talon - on the moment Widowmaker was working succesfully, Overwatch was still functioning without problems - Ana never mentiontoned any probemls of Overwatch since she was agent there, Reaper wasn`t Reaper and wasn`t been able to head it on that time and I guess he is clever enought not to use simple Blackwatch agents at Talon missions - somebody definitly complain to Morrison. I guess Reaper just working with Talon when he finds their opperations interesting for him.
Realistically I think it would be Liao. The strong founder ties to Overwatch would certainly be helpful in knowing how Overwatch works to make double agents from it's Blackwatch ranks.
I think Sombra I'd behind it because she rarely makes an appearance and it could be she pulls the strings from the shadows-it fits her stealthy personality.
I think sombra was the reason the god program anubis when free. she probably also made the device that reaper stuck in to the data centers in the recall short
interesting points you make. But i doubt that reaper is the leader. for all i know he is just a mercenary that work with Talon because the pay is good. however, i guess we'll have to wait for some more clues untill Blizz releases more lore
my 2 cents: Talon would be lead by people youl never find out. The next doomfist will be a Omnic who unifies the omnics after talon successfully activates a god program (possibly doomfist itself) and starts a war on people. which makes sense with the new game mode coming out with Omnic swarms.
Is it just me or does that robot in the picture where you mention 'leeow' (no clue how to spell it) look oddly like talon grunts? Or at least resemble closely
Widow main here, 0:05 uhh I thought that was the omnics. Widow and reaper get a lot of shit but Omnics deserve to be wiped out for *they* were the ones that did it. PS. Og overwatch was evil for what they did to gengi js.
Reinhardt main here, Talon must be stopped at all costs. If the former members of Overwatch band together and fight Talon we will be triumphant. Villainy must be thwarted at every turn. P.S. I'm gonna charge you and wall slam you if you work for Talon. Hammer down!
Blackwatch discovered Mercy's secret of human testing and became Talon to stop her. Reaper, McCree and Widowmaker are the good people here. The fact that she is the final boss in Junkestein's revenge is another clue. Also her devil skin shows that she is secretly the villain here.
Curse I was watch a lot of overwatch theories and came across this and the tracer comic which u mention in ur other video, but could leal (probably spelled wrong) be pharahs father!?
I believe Talon's struggle with Overwatch mirrors Cobra's with G.I. Joe. However, I am suspicious of the so-called God Programs. They remind me a lot of the Goa'uld from the Stargate series. Even though Talon is a legitimate threat, could there be an even deadlier power behind the scenes, maybe manipulating the mysterious leader of Talon? Maybe all our missions have been leading up to a showdown between the God Programs and the heroes. After all, the Halloween event will be bringing us a new challenge. Overwatch and Talon may have to work together if this theory comes to fruition.
Talon can't be made of ex blackwatch members maybe some but the reason is Widowmaker was never in blackwatch and the talon soliders in recall didn't have the fighting tactics of the agents like reaper but the person behind talon isn't confirmed but who have we never seen before like one of the overwatch founders maybe lial maybe she went rogue because of the downfall of overwatch
I think this group Talon was behind the Omnic resistance, and while Overwatch was created only to go after the Omnics, Morrison and Reyes secretly created Blackwatch to hunt down the humans behind all of it. Most of the old Overwatch crew have a problem with Omnics, Torbjorn, Zarya, Dva all dislike them, but soldier 76 is quiet about them. Talon probably had people high up in political office that leaked Blackwatch killing people and how Overwatch was related, so they had them disbanded, which led to the fight between Reyes and Morrison, and Talon took Reyes' body and rebuilt it with some sort of nanomachines and programmed him to what he is. Gerard Lacroix was probably a Talon agent that betrayed them and gave up information to Overwatch, and when they couldn't get to him they got his wife Amelie. At least that's what the story seems to be so far. Of course, Blizzard has a habit of flipping the script, usually creating some sort of panda clusterfuck in the process.
if a talon agent knows mccree than that means that talon has blackwatch members because mccree was part of blackwatch so that means that talon and blackwatch are almost the same but what do they want? i have now idee
What Talon wants - Just like all other evil organizations. Control. Who wouldn't want a whole continent named after you? Who is leading them - Not Sombra (Because she was most likely assigned to be Reaper's accomplice and Reaper most likely became apart of Talon after it was formed) but maybe Doomfist or Liao but I think someone or something more sinister or unmentioned is among the Overwatch universe What they're made of - Probably composed of MULTIPLE smaller gangs like the neon tattoo gang (IDK what they're called) to draw attention away from Talon in El Dorado and some possibly corrupted organizations like Vishkar to fund them but former Blackwatch members joined them after the fall of Overwatch while some former Overwatch members were either killed by them or kidnapped and brainwashed to fight in their ranks like Widowmaker.
I think the leader of talon is doomfist. Maybe he lost his gauntlet , overwatch picked it up , and they attempted to steal it to give it to him and create another omnic war. ???
I like the idea of Talon being an organization that spawned within Overwatch itself. I personally think that's it's current goal is to become the "new Overwatch" - that is to say, it wants to cause enough chaos of destruction that the people WANT an organization like Overwatch back, and they'll be there to convenient fit the mold. But while Overwatch largely did what they did for the greater good and no real reward, Talon's interests in taking up their own job are to scam and extort money from the world for protection.
The thing is, Reyes' background story doesn't mark him as a greedy megalomaniac. Apart from his jealousy towards Morisson, he doesn't seem that interested in personal gain. His most defining trait would rather be ruthlessness and a willingness to use any means available to get the job done. Because of this, I like to imagine that Reaper might actually be an "anti-hero", working to destroy a threat that has yet to be revealed, which he discovered during the time of Blackwatch. It's quite possible that Overwatch at that time was unknowingly a pawn for that mysterious secret power.
Arkalidor I don't think he's the founder of Talon, and I certainly don't think he's it's current leader. He was embittered because, for all his hard work and effort, he was constantly overlooked for higher positions, that's what caused the literal blowup between him and Morrison. I think Reaper's only reason for working with Talon at this point is that it gives him a way to help him hunt down all of the former Overwatch agents. "Another one off the list." He's out for revenge, and as was shown in the Recall trailer, Talon can help him get to where he needs to be to have this revenge I think Reaper's goals and Talon's leadership's goals are separate, but for a big part of it (eliminating threats) they do coincide. And I do think that certain instances of cooperation could be Talon pulling "favors" from Reyes.
My thought was that Talon is a god program like AI left by the Omnics when Overwatch rose to power to stop them during the Omnic Crisis. In knowing that the omnics couldn't stop Overwatch physically, I was thinking they resorted to espionage and then established Talon as a terrorist group.
I think Athena might be rouge and playing the game on both sides. That would be strange but we're talking about blizzard. These people are very sneaky and are always hiding things from us players. Maybe the purple cube was like a flash drive for Anubis and Talon needed that god program to stop Athena and take out Overwatch and the omnics for good.
yo maybe, because tracer said: the world needs more heroes... MAYBE the kid is the sucessor when he grows up... maybe he's the one on the poster... but thats his future... because he used the doomfist thing.He might also, when he grows up, be the one to kill sombra or maybe that reaper and his "friends" want athena to put her in a human or robot to control her(wich advances the theory of her being a God Program).
Overwatch would have benefited from some kind of campaign mode. What is it nowadays with games not having a story mode? Is narrative outdated or something?
![Is Mercy Evil?! (THEORY) [Overwatch Explained]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UYyL1uNXt78/mqdefault.jpg)
Next update: Mei was the leader of Talon all along.
Hypergen No, it was Antonio who was the leader of Talon
@@7kazu who is antonio
@@7kazu it is a joke...
No she WASNT
it was snowball
Mei was the puppet
Nah too predictable
*Athena (the overwatch omni AI) is tricking overwatch team into thinking that the omni is good when they're actually evil. reaper and widowmaker found out and created talon into stopping the omni. unfortunately the rest of overwatch team is unaware of Athenas schemes. talon are actually good guys and portrayed as the bad guys. interesting plot*
I would absolutely love this
I blame Mei
Lol
I don't blame her. But I blame Snowball.
Pat Pat Pat
she IS a troll...
Dear Kapplan, how could I have not realized it? The evil play style, the OP move set, it all comes together! All this time Talon's leader as been *Gets frozen*
Say, the black watch symbol even looks like reapers skull
Plot twist reapers skull is talon
I cant help but think that there's something wrong with Widowmaker's BG Story ever since I heard her interaction with Ana. The part where she says: "You know nothing about him (Gerard)". It makes him look like the bad guy.
Maybe Gerard isn't so innocent in the story. Maybe he has something to do with the Overwatch Civil War.
Also, Blizzard! if you're reading this, please make a brawl about the Overwatch Civil War. Thank You :D
Personally, I feel it is just that Amelie still truely loves him and feels remorse for killing him. Therefore, she responds like that because Ana's talking shit on her true love.
1)widow maker moves: she kill mondata either to disbalanced omnics and human or to lure overwatch agents from undercover.
2)reaper hacking move: they maybe want to hack winstons computer to locate sombra which might have one of the god programs. They also can locate others overwatch agents.
3)the effort to steal doomfist gaunlet: they maybe try to use the weapon or retrieve it for doomfist himself because doomfist might be weak without his weapon and he dont want to risk his life to retrieve it himself. so i think doomfist might be working/the leader of talon.
that last idea is actually really out of the box and I coukd actually see that being a thing
+Creepstaa Sucks or its for the new doom fist, maybe a guy who was changed by talon to be really muscular and agile, like reinhardt but more agile.
I like your ideas! They're really good, I like the idea of Reaper's hacking move becuase Sombra is a trickster so maybe she gave Reaper the hacking device and said "If you want me in, you're gonna have to find me" so the hacking device was a clue or something to help Reaper
So Talon are Hydra.
No, wrong theo
Pretty much
*whisper hail talon(hydra)*
*Hail Talon*
Neva h. Mercy
talon is a noxian assassin
hahahaha
XD
Thank God someone gets the reference
trump is sombra sombra is a member of talon talons leader is trump and the next recruit will be mei for a better wall
***** did you saw my comment and said "wow i should really say somethin that is not even a joke"
How about this: Sombra communicated with the god programs acting as a diplomat between them, and in an effort to reduce opposition of the second omnic rising were promised some kind of protection or power if they aided the omnics or god programs. So instead of a "who" leading Talon, its just the god program(s)? The programs are either under quarantine which only Sombra can access, or they are in hiding and only Sombra knows how to contact them.
thats a good one
I've actually thought of something like that as well, not that Sombra communicated with the god programs per say but that they may be doing this to become the dictators of the world and they plant to use the second Omnic crisis as the way of achieving it.
That could be possible, but then wouldn't it seem weird that Sombra is more interested in exposing the president of Lumerico and giving power back to the people of Mexico? Where do the god programs fit in there? Unless this "king" (likely self proclaimed) is communicating with the god programs and Sombra is trying to get the people to realize that Overwatch is needed again. It's a super long stretch, but reaper's line on Dorado; "Where's sombra when you need her", could imply she's gone off the map and no longer supports Talon/Blackwatch. I don't know if anything in game is directly related to the OW story or sombra ARG to the point where it's cannon, because if it is, then why would reaper fight with jack? Widow with Tracer? Etc. Seems like a lot of the Sombra ARG is simply retelling a story that happens in (your time in game) the future. In the game modes, why is the fist being transported? What's on the truck on Dorado? It's going to Lumerico, why? Did Agents(you) agree to help sombra? (Gibraltor/Dorado/route 66, one has a bomb(?)/Life pod? on it, why? Why does Sombra have so much influence and control over what's happening in the OW universe? Is Blizzard just trying to get us to focus on one thing? Is there a larger plot yet to be revealed? At what point does Blizz separate Gameplay from lore? Does the Sombra ARg tie into anything? Or is it just a really poorly executed ARG?
Jenkkimie j
Nah
How is Dash narrating on every youtube channel?! lmao its awesome
Hes a narrator for hire i believe, like Sean Bean i guess
And I always thought they paid Sean Bean for dying professionally
Okay but you fail to mention why Talon members fight alongside Overwatch members in-game...
I think the leader could be the successor as he has no face and hasn't been seen also that might explain why two of Talon went to get the doomfist
I love these lore videos.
I think that Liao is the leader of Talon. She wants power to control. She wants to control omnics (keep them safe from God Programm). But she hates Overwatch for some reasons. She needs doomfist. Also I noticed that Widowmaker offered Hanzo to join Talon. Maybe Talon wants weapons from Shimada? Who knows
Maybe Talon wants to know the Shimada's secret to the dragons. In the animated short, it's confirmed that Hanzo and Genji's ults are real, "physical" things, Hanzo says that only a Shimada can wield the dragons. Whether it's some kind of secret technology, some genetic, x-men type ability that runs in the family, or some ancestral magical, mystical, mythical secret bs. If you play the game, you've seen what 2 people that can wield the dragons could do, so imagine what an army or at the very least about a dozen could do with that ability.
Peter Wojo very interesting
Liao is a dude.
FatalFist I don't know. It was my theory. Maybe you are right or not. We'll get answers in November
FatalFist Liao is a Girl (Due to the comic cover)
Talon = Hydra
Solder 76 = Captain America
Reaper = Red skull
What if Doomfist is gonna be the boy from the "winston and tracer" trailer? The third Doomfist picture is called "the successor" and it is black maybe becouse there is not a third Doomfist yet. The boy already used the fist so he could be the next one... The successor!
And maybe he got the "successor" name from saving the "doomfist" from getting stolen by Widowmaker and Reaper? hmm..
i hope thats true, totally not just because i was thinking the same thing for awhile XD
He must have gotten jacked up because the silhouette implies they're part machine if not full.
Fabio Campioli no it's black because the 3rd doomfist is actually black
Hey guys good morning or good night wherever you are have a great day or night
Thank you. Same for you. :D
But wait, It's High Noon.
+Gabriele Di Carlo I bet McCree bought some sort of watch that was set to frozen mode when he bought it and he forgot to turn it on.
The Scourge was a side in DotA mod in Warcraft 3, it could be an Easter egg
the xfiles music made my day
i think your close to the right idea i just see talon as carrying out overwatch's original mission to extreme means what if there whole goal is to not only stop the second omni crisis but to make sure omnics never rise again they attacked Winston to get the overwatch list to try and sway overwatch memebers to join there side(they didnt want Winston cus he more.then likely would side with the omnics as seeing his close relationship with Athena) the attack on the god ai could have been them trying to force phara and her team to destroy it, the assiantion of the omnic leader would cause the destabilization of omnics human relation, i know blizzard like to do grey story telling just look at the horde and the alliance in wow both heading to the same finish line on to separate tracks
Maybe doomfist is the leader of Talon?
You were right😱😂
Anyone asked themselves this question: doesn't the story of Jack Morris and Gabriel Reyes bring some suspicion? in weird circumstances, they both confronted in OVerwatch HQ, suddenly, the whole place was down to ruins, what if that's not what really happened?
What if the Talons are not as evil as they are pictured? we do see WidowMaker in "Alive" where Tracer was down and helpless on the ground, yet WidowMaker didn't take her out, perhaps because she's not really interested in killing her, but only Mondotta?
I once heard that Jamison Fawkes (AKA Junkrat) found some very disturbing information that made him #1 wanted in the world, what did he exactly find out?
So many questions remain unanswered, what I do think, if you notice in the end of "we are overwatch" is that at some point, all OverWatch & Talon agents will unite together against a common foe, who that is? hard to tell
i think Mei is the leader of talon
(is hard to believe)
Ger hashim how, she was frozen when EVERYTHING happened, she woke up and found out, she can’t be the leader of talon
Maybe the leader of Talon is Mei, it would make since. 100% full proof theroy 10/10 (don't take this seriously)
One word nazi
I'm so glad Sombra is evil, we need more evil characters in Overwatch, we have Roadhog, Junkrat, Widowmaker, and Reaper.
I like widow's face in the thumbnail it's like, "They did what now?"
Things I don't understand is why Widowmaker, Reaper and Sombra are in the game? They're evil right so what are they doing in Overwatch??
I think it's also worth mentioning that it's implied Talon (or at least Widowmaker; due to a voice conversation between Hanzo and Widow in Hanamura) is willing to help Hanzo (and maybe Genji because they're brothers and both amazing potential Talon recruits; one of them is a former overwatch agent and both of them are highly skilled fighters) restore his (their?) family's criminal empire, to which Hanzo is reluctant fearing the repercussions. I mean, their family probably was powerful and a major influence in it's day, but other than that it wouldn't make sense to restore a fallen crime family in a very localized region as opposed to a say an entire city government or regional government in Japan.
dat thumbnail tho 😂😂😂
dropdead_619 😆
Mccree noticed similar tactics because the assault on the train happened years after Reyes became Reaper and joined Talon. Talon existed and was a problem before Overwatch's downfall.
"Information is power" sounds like sombra, that should have been mentioned.
One theory I have had in my mind is that perhaps the former Overwatch operators found out something about the Overwatch or the god programs which made them turn on the Overwatch organization in the belief that they are fighting to save humanity from something. Way to hell is paved with good intentions.
i get the feeling that talon and overwatch are kind of like hydra and shield. talon either originated from, or planted sleeper agents within overwatch/blackwatch, and when shit hit the fan, they went out of their way to recall all their own agents, and recruit other former overwatch members.
I think the mundatta assassination was before the recall, due to when Winston recalls the agents, you can see tracer in Britain on the map
0:15 i think he meant comprised of not compromised lol
Blackwatch, which was run by Reyes, has been noted as doing kidnapping, torture and murder which was bad enough but what if Reyes wanted to do things that wouldn't even show up on Overwatch files at all! My theory is that Reyes started Talon, that way he could conduct operations completely 'of the books' and it would explain how Talon obtained high level gear and technology (Amelie's conversion to widowmaker to start with) as well as why overwatch could never beat Talon. Talon had an 'inside man' being the head of Blackwatch.
There was always something off with Widowmaker with me. The whole mind control angle didn't sit well with me because she is very much lucid. Heck, she even sometimes shows remorse over Gerard's death. I think Amelie tried to convince Gerard to join Talon but when he refused, her hand was forced.
I wonder if widowmaker's husband is the Asian dude that we thought was liao
Widowmakers Husband was Gérard Lacroix...
Akira Aoi You can be asian and have a french name lmao
I've never disagreed with it lmao
Nicou Feizi naw there’s a wedding spray of Amelie and Gerard and he’s not asian
The really funny thing is that the slice is my highlight intro and I got potg while watching and they both happened at the same time
I believe Doomfist (The Scourge) is the "leader" of Talon.
One of Talon's primary missions is to retrieve The Doomfist, probably to be used by some member of Talon, but who?
Sometimes when Reaper plays on Numbani, he will say "Doomfist should do his own dirty work" which implies The Scourge (or another Doomfist, who knows) is commanding Reaper, or someone is commanding him on behalf of Doomfist.
Recently The Doomfist has been successfully stolen from the Numbani payload and used to destroy some OR-15s in the airport, so we can expect something new to come out around or after the time Orisa gets added to the live servers.
There's an alternative theory that Talon is merely an organization that's just using more extreme methods to do good.
Like the Widowmaker assassination of Mondatta, it resulted in the erection of his statue and that was said to have further strengthened the bonds between humans and omnics.
We can also see the way they're persistently trying to gather weapons as a way to ensure it never falls into the wrong hands, maybe a lack of confidence in Overwatch being the only guardian force around.
Also, it could be argued that Talon exists to keep Overwatch on their toes, constantly making sure they never get complacent, possibly preparing them for a larger crisis in the future (2nd omnic crisis maybe?). Who knows?
I don't think its reaper but more like reaper brought in some old blackwatch tactics as a part of whatever deal he made with talon. That wouls explain the blackwatch tactics and i say that reaper isn't directly from talon because he has a short dialogue with widowmaker saying "good to work with you again" with a response along the lines of "hope it goes better than last time" refering to the doomfist failed theft and indicating that they don't work together on a regular basis
I’m gonna say one thing
Widowmaker did not deserve what happened to her
I never would have thought McCree would be a former bad guy.
Mandatta gets shot. Mandatta is an omnic. Which is just an advanced robot with human-like AI. Why couldn't Mandatta just be put in a new body? Did they not back him up??
There is definitly something else formed Talon - on the moment Widowmaker was working succesfully, Overwatch was still functioning without problems - Ana never mentiontoned any probemls of Overwatch since she was agent there, Reaper wasn`t Reaper and wasn`t been able to head it on that time and I guess he is clever enought not to use simple Blackwatch agents at Talon missions - somebody definitly complain to Morrison. I guess Reaper just working with Talon when he finds their opperations interesting for him.
Realistically I think it would be Liao. The strong founder ties to Overwatch would certainly be helpful in knowing how Overwatch works to make double agents from it's Blackwatch ranks.
I think Sombra I'd behind it because she rarely makes an appearance and it could be she pulls the strings from the shadows-it fits her stealthy personality.
I think sombra was the reason the god program anubis when free. she probably also made the device that reaper stuck in to the data centers in the recall short
interesting points you make. But i doubt that reaper is the leader. for all i know he is just a mercenary that work with Talon because the pay is good. however, i guess we'll have to wait for some more clues untill Blizz releases more lore
Pretty sure its Doomfist, Reaper has a line on Numbani about how "Doomfist should do his own dirty work"
my 2 cents: Talon would be lead by people youl never find out. The next doomfist will be a Omnic who unifies the omnics after talon successfully activates a god program (possibly doomfist itself) and starts a war on people. which makes sense with the new game mode coming out with Omnic swarms.
don't know when this was made but the volskya industries incident with reaper, sombra, and widowmaker
Are you planning on doing a follow up video now that Doomfist is released?
Is it just me or does that robot in the picture where you mention 'leeow' (no clue how to spell it) look oddly like talon grunts? Or at least resemble closely
From which comics are the pictures with the old overwatch team, I mean Reyes and cie in the snow (at 5:00) ? It seems I missed that
another thing is that when you play as reaper and there is a mccree in your team, he says to mccree ''all that you know you learned from me''
Because McCree was part of Blackwatch....which Gabriel led.....that's not news.
GZLAnnihilation as his apprentice?
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McCree was part of Blackwatch, he was under Gabriels command, it's safe to assume he received training from Gabriel.
Widow main here, 0:05 uhh I thought that was the omnics. Widow and reaper get a lot of shit but Omnics deserve to be wiped out for *they* were the ones that did it.
PS. Og overwatch was evil for what they did to gengi js.
Reinhardt main here, Talon must be stopped at all costs. If the former members of Overwatch band together and fight Talon we will be triumphant. Villainy must be thwarted at every turn.
P.S. I'm gonna charge you and wall slam you if you work for Talon. Hammer down!
Glenn Hurd Hahahha omg
Catchphrase!
Glenn Hurd iconic XDD
3/10, not fully in character.
I got an overwatch uprising commercial and thought it was the video.
so, Pharah works for Helix and Jack's rockets are Helix Rockets, is this proof or disproof of him being her dad?
Speaking of Talon, the League Talon would make sense for Sombra stealth Assassin.
i swear it gonna turn out that doom fist is the leader and he just wanted his iron glove back
Blackwatch discovered Mercy's secret of human testing and became Talon to stop her. Reaper, McCree and Widowmaker are the good people here. The fact that she is the final boss in Junkestein's revenge is another clue. Also her devil skin shows that she is secretly the villain here.
With mccree being recognised it might be someone from the deadlock gang he was originally in.
I think the one who knew Mccree was a former member of his gang. Forgot their name.
Curse I was watch a lot of overwatch theories and came across this and the tracer comic which u mention in ur other video, but could leal (probably spelled wrong) be pharahs father!?
I believe Talon's struggle with Overwatch mirrors Cobra's with G.I. Joe. However, I am suspicious of the so-called God Programs. They remind me a lot of the Goa'uld from the Stargate series. Even though Talon is a legitimate threat, could there be an even deadlier power behind the scenes, maybe manipulating the mysterious leader of Talon? Maybe all our missions have been leading up to a showdown between the God Programs and the heroes. After all, the Halloween event will be bringing us a new challenge. Overwatch and Talon may have to work together if this theory comes to fruition.
Talon can't be made of ex blackwatch members maybe some but the reason is Widowmaker was never in blackwatch and the talon soliders in recall didn't have the fighting tactics of the agents like reaper but the person behind talon isn't confirmed but who have we never seen before like one of the overwatch founders maybe lial maybe she went rogue because of the downfall of overwatch
I do agree with the point that Blackwatch formed and eventually turned into Talon. It does only make sense...
The pink box looks like the blue box at the back of bastion second configuration maybe they want to bring more powerful bastions
I think this group Talon was behind the Omnic resistance, and while Overwatch was created only to go after the Omnics, Morrison and Reyes secretly created Blackwatch to hunt down the humans behind all of it. Most of the old Overwatch crew have a problem with Omnics, Torbjorn, Zarya, Dva all dislike them, but soldier 76 is quiet about them.
Talon probably had people high up in political office that leaked Blackwatch killing people and how Overwatch was related, so they had them disbanded, which led to the fight between Reyes and Morrison, and Talon took Reyes' body and rebuilt it with some sort of nanomachines and programmed him to what he is.
Gerard Lacroix was probably a Talon agent that betrayed them and gave up information to Overwatch, and when they couldn't get to him they got his wife Amelie. At least that's what the story seems to be so far. Of course, Blizzard has a habit of flipping the script, usually creating some sort of panda clusterfuck in the process.
Doomfist is actually the third doomfist known as a successor, not the scourge.
if a talon agent knows mccree than that means that talon has blackwatch members because mccree was part of blackwatch so that means that talon and blackwatch are almost the same but what do they want? i have now idee
What Talon wants - Just like all other evil organizations. Control. Who wouldn't want a whole continent named after you?
Who is leading them - Not Sombra (Because she was most likely assigned to be Reaper's accomplice and Reaper most likely became apart of Talon after it was formed) but maybe Doomfist or Liao but I think someone or something more sinister or unmentioned is among the Overwatch universe
What they're made of - Probably composed of MULTIPLE smaller gangs like the neon tattoo gang (IDK what they're called) to draw attention away from Talon in El Dorado and some possibly corrupted organizations like Vishkar to fund them but former Blackwatch members joined them after the fall of Overwatch while some former Overwatch members were either killed by them or kidnapped and brainwashed to fight in their ranks like Widowmaker.
every time I hear Talon, I think of the Mercenary Company from Fallout 3.
I think the leader of talon is doomfist. Maybe he lost his gauntlet , overwatch picked it up , and they attempted to steal it to give it to him and create another omnic war. ???
I like the idea of Talon being an organization that spawned within Overwatch itself. I personally think that's it's current goal is to become the "new Overwatch" - that is to say, it wants to cause enough chaos of destruction that the people WANT an organization like Overwatch back, and they'll be there to convenient fit the mold. But while Overwatch largely did what they did for the greater good and no real reward, Talon's interests in taking up their own job are to scam and extort money from the world for protection.
The thing is, Reyes' background story doesn't mark him as a greedy megalomaniac. Apart from his jealousy towards Morisson, he doesn't seem that interested in personal gain. His most defining trait would rather be ruthlessness and a willingness to use any means available to get the job done.
Because of this, I like to imagine that Reaper might actually be an "anti-hero", working to destroy a threat that has yet to be revealed, which he discovered during the time of Blackwatch. It's quite possible that Overwatch at that time was unknowingly a pawn for that mysterious secret power.
Arkalidor I don't think he's the founder of Talon, and I certainly don't think he's it's current leader. He was embittered because, for all his hard work and effort, he was constantly overlooked for higher positions, that's what caused the literal blowup between him and Morrison.
I think Reaper's only reason for working with Talon at this point is that it gives him a way to help him hunt down all of the former Overwatch agents. "Another one off the list." He's out for revenge, and as was shown in the Recall trailer, Talon can help him get to where he needs to be to have this revenge
I think Reaper's goals and Talon's leadership's goals are separate, but for a big part of it (eliminating threats) they do coincide. And I do think that certain instances of cooperation could be Talon pulling "favors" from Reyes.
Morec0 Fair point. It does sound like the impulsive and ruthless Reyes to pursue no clear goal besides revenge.
Genji is a quadtruple agent, blackwatch, talon, shimada clan, and overwatch
I think doomfist was obviously imprisoned, as it was shown in the doomfist animation
We need more omnivore characters
My thought was that Talon is a god program like AI left by the Omnics when Overwatch rose to power to stop them during the Omnic Crisis. In knowing that the omnics couldn't stop Overwatch physically, I was thinking they resorted to espionage and then established Talon as a terrorist group.
widowmaker was brainwashed? no wonder she looks so dead inside
Comprised*
"Could they be *comprised* of former members of Blackwatch."
Not Compromised.
I think Athena might be rouge and playing the game on both sides. That would be strange but we're talking about blizzard. These people are very sneaky and are always hiding things from us players. Maybe the purple cube was like a flash drive for Anubis and Talon needed that god program to stop Athena and take out Overwatch and the omnics for good.
i always thought the badge on mcrees hat was simply an "M" for mcree
Victoria R. I thought it was a cobra...
how can i read the comics? is it possible on the phone?
also interested
playoverwatch.com/en-us/media/#comics-section
Has no one notice the picture of Mcree at the reception desk of the diner in Route 66 right next to the RIFLE!!!!!
The fashion poster Hollywood I think looks like an older liao with an older omnic
I think it is a new character that is coming to the game soon.
Plot twist: Reaper, Widowmaker, Sombra, Moira, Sombra, and Doomfist are the real heroes.
yo maybe, because tracer said: the world needs more heroes... MAYBE the kid is the sucessor when he grows up... maybe he's the one on the poster... but thats his future... because he used the doomfist thing.He might also, when he grows up, be the one to kill sombra or maybe that reaper and his "friends" want athena to put her in a human or robot to control her(wich advances the theory of her being a God Program).
Did anyone notice the flash of Liao on the OW agent list on the computer. LIAO CONFIRMED?.
is it just me or is it super easy to fall inlove with that Widowmaker thumbnail
Overwatch would have benefited from some kind of campaign mode. What is it nowadays with games not having a story mode? Is narrative outdated or something?
I think talon is trying to restart the omnic war
I think reaper and sombra is mad cuz one of the members picked widdowmaker in comp
love the Hans Zimmer music in the background!
Look at the talon masks, they look like Liao's omnic companion's face.
sombra says the one whos information has the power
overwatch needs a story mode.