Trying to Fix the Frumpet
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- The frumpet was slated as a disaster, largely because of it's appalling intonation issues. One school of thought is that we could improve the intonation by making it more like a french horn - one of the instruments the frumpet is based off - by doubling the length of tubing. Let's see how well that works.
Intonation: the accuracy of pitch when changing note. When changing notes the accuracy of the pitches is not even close to where it should be.
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It seems a little sharp so you might want to flatten it. Maybe by running over it with a car. No sound = No intonation issues
I guess that works lol
The only way to properly get rid of a brass instrument on this channel
Or you could hold it dangerously and drop it like he recently did with his contrabass trombone
😂🤣😆😆🤣😅😂
After you cut to the "fixed" frumpet I couldn't contain my laughter. That seems like something my band director would do (also a trombonist). Very entertaining video
Ignore adding tubing. All you need to do is replace the leadpipe with a trumpet leadpipe (and receiver), this clears up many of the issues. (I think, at one point, I had 5 or 6 of these lying around - I have one with four valves).
*Let the surgery commence*
I say put an extra whole step on it and put a tuba mouthpiece on the end and see how it is as an Eb tuba. compare it to your Besson Eb tuba.
The problem lies in the bore size of the receiver versus the tuba mouthpiece, but I would love to see that. We need to show Trent your idea somehow.
+Jams & Bros all he would need is to put some tubing that is wide enough to take the tuba mouthpiece shank and put it over the receiver of the instrument. A little plumbing tape maybe needed on the receiver to make it air tight. And yes, the bore size is an issue, but it will still be fun to see if it works at all.
The bore could fit inside the tuba shank, buts that sounds as dumb as putting the trombone mouthpiece in the trombone bell
Best video I've seen all day...no, all week, no...best ever. I'm going to play it over. Move over Jay Leno. You have some very serious competition here!
This is probably my favorite of your videos. Could you make more videos trying to "Fix" sub-par instruments?
Trent, That couldn't happen to a nicer horn. Thanks for the laugh!
I asked my friend about his frumpet and how he can play it with a cornet mouthpiece, and he said the leadpipe came from a junked trumpet, and the mouthpiece receiver from a junked cornet, with the slide receiver taken from the original frumpet leadpipe. It actually played somewhat in tune, enough that he could play it usefully. Unfortunately, it no longer sounded anything like a French horn, it sounded more like a mellophone -- and you already have one of those, though this setup would lack the ridiculously large bell. Basically it became a flugelhorn in F.
That would actually sound really cool. And, speaking as someone who actually owns a French Horn and a Frumpet (I used to own two, but I gave one to Mr. Hamilton), the frumpet doesn't sound like a French Horn in the first place. I've explained mine as an Alto Flugelhorn.
Just a thought ... I wonder if the relative position of the valves within the tubing makes a difference to the security of the notes. On most brass instruments, the valves are positioned closer to the mouthpiece than the bell. But Trent added his extra tubing before the valves. If you were able to add the extra tubing in AFTER the valves, that might improve it. However, that would require major surgery to achieve!
I must say, I rather enjoyed your struggling with that ungodly instrument. Your sober approach to the subject at hand belies the hilarity of the solution. PDQ Bach is smiling somewhere.
The Frumpet sounds frumpy.
My son said he wants to be like you when he grows up.
So a mad scientist
I'm sorry Trent, but that instrument sounds like a dying cow. Not you, but the horn. I don't think that is fixable!
This is actually what the french horn is like, I play euphonium, and I tried playing one once and it was ridiculous
This is the most creative piece of... Art I have ever seen
I would be interested to see how the intonation improves with something more like a fluegelhorn or cornet mouthpiece. I bet it would make a world of q difference.
i think that was absolutely fantastic
Trent, have you ever heard of the slide saxophone? I know you don't play sax, but the slide sax is really interesting to look up.
nice video Trent keep up the good work
these horns were made strictly for high power marching bands brass ensembles and for 3 valve drum and bugle corp use after three valve horns were allowed over 1 or 2 valve bugles. the getzen frumpet was built on a modified getzen 300 student trumpet assembly. it was inferior to the king, the dynasty , fe Olds, Fa Reynolds Conn and other top brand name frumpets were built looking like modified cornets. in the 60s thru the 90s composers like bill moffit who wrote the sound power arrangements wrote frumpet parts as well as F horns parts.
Wow, that "repair" almost created a functioning instrument!
Personally, I'd get a scrap of wood, pvc pipe, a drill, and a tuner and just make a low whistle. It'd sound better. Plus, if don't create a fipple, you can buzz into it and a make some horror-spawned variant of a serpent! Actually, that sounds like fun! I might just do that!
so good. thanks for the video, had me is stitches.
I subscribed and I’ve turned the notifications on. 👍
anyone know the length of tubing to add? Since the F Tuba is 12 feet in length, do I just add 12 feet to double the length of the main tubing?
Its so beautiful!!!
The "conclusion" is "what a fine exquisite instrument," particularly with the new tubing. Can you construct a Chinese Franken frenchhorn by replacing the tubing with this ecotubing? Or, better yet, a keyed ecotube frenchhorn (baroque style) with an oil funnel as a bell? Wouldn't cost 10-15 bucks for materials.
Funniest video I've seen in the last week 😂😂😂
Have you ever played a French horn? If so, how much more difficult is it to play than other brass instruments?
It's quite difficult to play accurately, fast, because the partials are all so much closer together. Instead of hanging out between partials 2 to 10, you're operating between 2 and 20, and much of the repertoire falls between 8 and 20 where very little of the writing for trumpet or trombone calls for hanging out above the 8th partial.
Of course, double horns help a lot here. Switching over to the B♭ side means instead of being on the 16th partial at top C, you're at the 12th. Still, you have a lot less margin for error than you do with a trumpet or trombone. The narrow rim on the mouthpiece helps some, but it also leads to tiring faster, so it's a mixed blessing.
I know I'm not Mr. Hamilton, but it's ridiculously difficult. After you finally get used to playing in F rather than Bb, you have to get used to playing on a tiny mouthpiece. If your embouchure on other brass instruments is not perfect, that will lead to problems trying to play the horn. My top lip nearly popped out of the mouthpiece once when I tried to play it. If you're at least a novice trumpet player, you could probably pick up the horn and play a couple of tunes, but it really takes a long time to adjust to. And don't even get me started on those nasty partials.
How was the seal between the brass and the extra tubing? Could that have caused that horrible tone?
It probable doesn't matter very much. The solder is broken on my trombone and it sounds fine
Probably just the plastic in general. It creates some very odd reverberations when you buzz into it, but the seals probably only made the noise worse.
Can u do a video on the superbone
The first variation does not start until later when you get to the sextuplets
I feel stupid asking this but what is intonation? I have not had band class in a few months(I'm going into 7th grade).
Basically the accuracy of the pitch.
haha i've wanted to do this forever. lullabies in hell are made of these. but you didn't demo the low registers!
hmm I think it sounds a little stressed out.... maybe give it a bath and a refreshing meal and some rest. *Then try tripling the tubing!* :)
I think you've created the first microtonal frumpet!
Never thought I'd find a more unstable pitch than me on my trombone
As a mello player, this was both incredibly painful and fun to watch
What tips do you have for someone trying to play higher notes and clearer higher notes. I am on the baritone horn.
Lots of air, make an eeee sound into the mouthpiece. There's also a video I've done about extending your range.
+Trent Hamilton thanks for the tips!!!!
My method was to play the trumpet for 10 years, work my range up to at least a high C, then switch to the euphonium. Those high notes will pop out like nothing.
+euphgeek noice
just cram the mouthpiece onto your embouchure. that pretty reliably works. or, put a trumpet mpc into your horn then you will be busting out triple c like a madman
Did you get a bassoon bell? I see one on the left of the screen
No, that's a tenor recorder.
+Trent Hamilton will you make a video on it?
You have a tenor recorder?!
+Trent Hamilton I love recorders. I have a sopranino, soprano, alto, and tenor.
I have from sopranino all the way down to great bass. :)
Might as well make a sousaphone out of the Hula Hoop Frumpet
Hey Trent! Someone has posted the entire manual for the Slingerland single valve bugle. It is chalked full of information on the bugles and contains musical excerpts. Here is the link:
historical-drum-corps-publications.blogspot.com/2006/03/slingerland-complete-instructive-manual.html?m=1
Or you could type in Slingerland bugle manual on Google and it should pop up.
It sounds like it's been infested by demented bees!
Faff is a real word
You broke it.
Ist hier das Trompeten-Ferkel ?
Klingt wie ein Schwein, das bekam Überfahren mit einem Gesetz Mäher auch sorry für die schlechte Deutsch
I play French horn and it actually has the longest tubing in the band
Obviously you don't know that a tuba exists
No the BBb tuba does
Maybe it's a double horn; that would have more tubing than a tuba.
BBb tuba has longer
That was not the first variation
The poor frankenfrumpet, it tried so hard
I couldn't tell the difference during the first comparison
As a mellophone player, I can see that the frumpet would definitely be a downgrade.
its much better, just... a masterpiece 😂😂
I never thought I'd say this, but your "frumpeting" does indeed sound completely out of tune! Oh, and by the way, it also sounds like there's a bunch of grumpy bees inside the instrument and I'm in endless laugher already.
Do you have a french horn?
No I don't. I'm wanting to get one though.
I have a doozy of a French Horn. It's a single French Horn in F and Eb. Wrap your head around that one.
Please do a video on the french horn, I recently started playing and I'd love to hear your thoughts on the instrument
I just heard a frumpet puking...
I like the video you did using brass mouthpieces on woodwinds
. I've seen some really old brass instruments that are keyed like woodwinds but are configured a bit different. excelsiorcornetband.com/Excelsior_Cornet_band/Instruments.html has some posted
"That's just awful" - my neighbours agree
Have you ever been to America?
Not yet.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
its a bit sloppy with not much musical value. mabey try this play the trumpet an active lower
Oh but those Getzen valves... lmfao
How's the patreon going for you?
Just replace the Frumpet with a Trumpet and everything should be good!
Drive over it!
susa-frumpet?
*sousa* whoops
Just use it for parts.
My trumpet thoughts: I want it play one just for the laughs
I'll gladly sell you my other one.
😂
Copper tubing next time from hardware store
Hey, what’s with the Alfa Romeo logo? Do you like their cars? I like the new Giulia!
That *is* poor intonation.
Lol wtf
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