The Firebird Trumpet!
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*me resisting the urge to call it a piccolo superbone*
It's funny--I initially thought you said that the Holton version had many "fingerings" all over it, but then I eventually realized you meant "finger rings"! 😄
Me too!
I'm surprised you've not had a Dizzy bell trumpet on your channel yet! They're great.
I have a Schagerl Superbone, and I love it. I pretty much play valves and slide interchangeably, or sometimes I'll play mostly slide but I'll use the valves as kind of a fancy F attachment for some of the outer slide positions. I would absolutely be interested in a reissued Holton Firebird, or any sort of derivative or knockoff instrument, it would be worth it for the slide vibrato alone.
I want a schagerl superbone so bad, how much does one cost?
@@riythemusicguy7696 they usual retail at about 5 and a half thousand but most shops will charge around 6-6,500 for them
@@riythemusicguy7696 Wessex has a similar superbone for like 1k. The valves are in different position and you have to wait until it's available again though (like getting a notification over mail)
Um... Quick question from a person who has only ever played a straight tenor, and is considering buying a B♭/F trombone sometime.
Does the F trigger move the key of the trombone up or down to an F?
@@CaptainCrazyble im quite aware of the Wessex one, beautiful instrument.
The original Lidl’s made by Josef Lidl himself were actually really great instruments. I have a late 19th century Bb/A Flugelhorn from Lidl and it is one of the warmest, most sumptuous sounding instruments I’ve ever played.
Just not that great to repair them.
I prefer the Aldi Bassoon.
Any relation to the supermarket chain?
Josef Lidl is a very old Czech brass manufacturer (founded 1892). My first student horn was a Lidl before I moved up to a Conn.
If I had a firebird, I'd play the lick. I am a very simple man, it doesn't take much to make me happy
I never thought I would enjoy a sponsorship
Very interesting looking horn
To let you know Holton firebird trumpet was designed for Canadian artist Maynard Ferguson. And Also the super bone.
Yes! Thank you for mentioning him!
Maynard did have some input on the designs of both horns with Larry Ramirez.
I'm surprised he didn't mention that
@@austinhernandez2716 yea well, they just didn`t roll them off the line and stamped them MF horn...
i’d love a horn like that, i play a lot of jazz and do busking with some buddies and we have fun with it sometimes. having a slide on my trumpet, even just enough for a few semitones of coverage would open a lot of doors. the market is probably way too small for big brands, maybe wessex tubas would be able to find the niche
Hey Trent, been a long time fan of the channel, and I recently realized out of all of the brass instruments you've reviewed, you've never reviewed a cimbasso (an Italian trombone/tuba hybrid instrument), and just wanted to give a suggestion for a video. Good work on this one!
Oh god I hate that thing it's glorious
I don't have access to one :(
@@TrentHamilton If Alibaba ships to New Zealand, then you could get one from there (in the key of F)
@@greekguy2259 Yes, but the price is rather limiting, sadly :(
I've been wanting one of these trumpets for soooo long
First time commenting . Hi from Scotland. This firebird i have never seen or heard. My gosh its a cool little piece of kit! Id literally be all fingers and thumbs as im still new back to UK Brass Banding. My Sterling Tenor Horn with hexagonal valve buttons brings me such joy...if i ever find the right mouthpiece 🤔. Great fan of your videos and content. Really does help in developing my playing. Thanks dude. Look forward to watching more!
Brilliant video! Almost more interesting that you had the knock-off so we could see the importance small things like the mentioned finger rings and lack of tuning, I'd love to try one some day!
I'd make the slide longer and compensate by using a shorter cornet bell section; deffo a couple pinky rings; I'd also fit a tuning slide mechanism into the lead pipe. I know there's not a lot of room, but some tuning capability might be less atrocious than none.
I am primarily a trumpet and mellophone player, but I would totally play this! I have also played a little trombone, so I am comfortable using a slide.
Today I’m watching this. At a parade yesterday someone lost a tuning slide and we joked We should replace it with a small trombone slide like a super bone but it’s a trumpet bone. Now look what popped up in my recommended!
So its a soprano superbone?
I'm not as big into music nowadays as I was back in school, but back in school I was constantly switching between a trombone and a euphonium, and jazz and pep band, I was constantly switching between a normal trombone and a valve trombone. I definitely feel like having a super bone would have made my job a lot easier
I definitely think there is a place for dual slide/valve instruments like this one. I have and play both trumpets and trombones from soprano to bass, and had a riot trying out a superbone at a trombone convention once. I would love to get my hands on the soprano version, as well as a superbone of my own, without having to pay the inflated collector prices the originals go for. That said, the superbone/Firebird are certainly niche instruments, so I don't see them getting mass produced any time soon.
Superbone Trumpet!
Pretty cool
Trent, I've been watching your videos for a few years and I saw your video show up for the first time in a long time and holy crap!! You've lost a lot of weight very obviously, kudos to you and I look forward to more videos!!
i need one of these
Oh Man!! I was so hoping to hear it and what it sounded like, even if you are not "accomplished" with it!!!
I mean it is much more than a slide whistle, and it has got to have some trick sound to it, at least a quick demo??
PLEASE!!!
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As a trombone player who barely can play on valves, I would mostly make use of the slide and use the valves less that the instrument probably intended. That being said, I still think this would be a really fun instrument to play on.
Interestingly interesting!
It depends on the intonation of its overtones.
As I wrote in my comment on your video about the superbone, I think these instruments are the equivalent in brass of wearing a belt and suspenders. If I had one, I'd probably try to trade it in for an instrument with either a slide or valves, but not both.
I like the idea of a slide trumpet or a soprano trombone, but if you have the slide, what do you need the valves for? I think it would be much better to learn how to play with a slide than to have something that is in my opinion merely a crutch at best. That's not to say that other people might not have a different opinion.
there were only two 7 position firebird trumpets made Maynard owned one and don ellis owned the other.
I can confirm, I got to play Maynard’s a few months ago and it played amazingly. Has a slide in a slide like you’d see on some workbench drawers which is really interesting as a repair tech.
Nice idea, but it really has a small target market. Nice video 2x👍
yay new vid
Honestly, I suppose it has a time and a place for... parties? But one of the best thing about trombones is their free flowing ability. Having so few bends in the instrument gives a super pure and beautiful sound. When you add 3 valves, it loses that value and has that tightness that valved instruments have which isn't inherently bad but it takes away what a trombone is about. That's why valved trombones sound so stuffy compared to a slide trombone. And while bass trombones most often have two valves, when wrapped loosely it's usually not quite enough to take away from the looseness the trombone provides, but once you add that their one it definitely does. So personally, I see a super bone more like a valved trombone that has a slide rather than a slide trombone given 3 valves which honestly I don't care for.
Very cool. If I had one I'd use it to pick up hot brass groupie chicks who wouldn't be able to resist anyone who had such a cool instrument in their possession.
Nice vid
i would love one of those, as a trombone player
man your weight loss looks great!
What if you play the valves of the instrument while sliding the slide??? I wanna know how that sounds like
I get Dizzy watching this.
I guess I could do more clean and aggressive bends on that thing. Besides that I dont see a use for it 😅
Can we have a link for the lidl bc I can only find the firebird
I have original Holton Firebird.
Epic!
The Superbone has seven positions, correct? So what is limiting the trumpet to that many?
There just wasn’t enough tubing to work with. The relationships between brass instruments of different octaves aren’t always perfectly linear. It’s weird stuff. Holton later solved the problem by adding a length of floating tubing in the slide in between the inner and outer slides. It allowed the slide to go to the full 7 positions. I know Maynard had one I heard Don Ellis had one… I don’t know if they even made a third one.
how low could you play on one of these?
Being a tuba/euph kind of guy, I would probably hang it on the wall next to my thankfully unplayable Eb alto horn.
Hey, this has nothing to do with the video but I need to talk to an expert about this. What tone is mayonaise tuned in? I’m wondering becouse I’ve always wanted to learn to play the mayonaise but maby it whuld be hard transcribing songs to it.
Do you have a quadro trombone? You definitely should get one
Surely some fab microtonal music would be ok the cards!
So it was made by a budget supermarket?
I understood Lidl yeah, they make instruments now? 😅 🇩🇪
@@MaxGr12 Nein, das ist eine Instrumentenmarke von Tschechien
@@CaptainCrazyble oooh Ich wusste es nicht. 👌
If you would like to check out one of these that is slightly better made, there's one going for 1k on reverb. I can sendyouthe link if you would like.
Wait did he say it's a lidl instrument?? That's a supermarket
It's not the supermarket brand..
hi
LIDL? That’s a supermarket, isn’t it? Well, they are known for knockoff stuff as well, not bad knockoff stuff either!!!
Ahh no. It's a city in the Czech Republic
We definitely need more of these types of things, since China can make anything, and cheaply, too! All we need are some rich dilettante brass players who like wacky stuff to contract with a Chinese maker to produce these. I bet they would sell out, and the world would become a slightly better place, eh? Innovation in brass instruments takes forever. How many centuries did it take to put a spit valve on trombones? Too many.
Trent you like Drum Corps?
I’d assume he does, he’s got a DEG Soprano Bugle on his wall.
He doesn’t really pay much attention to it, I believe. He just like collecting horns
I think it would be better to just buy one Trumpet and one Soprano Trombone and switch off between the two instead of having a funky two in one instrument like this but that's just my opinion.
If I had one of those I would box it up and send it to you. Give me a trumpet or trombone not this unholy mix
Huh
Why are Czech instruments so rare? They have had great composers and Bohemian Polka is perhaps the best music ever. Why aren't there many instruments made in the Czech republic?
They're not rare in Germany. Czech instruments are often of good quality and relatively low priced. Furch, for example, is a very good manufacturer of medium to high end guitars. I have four instruments made by Furch (one under the name Stanford) and I'm very happy with them.
@@laurencefinston7036 I'm also German and perhaps blind. But I also habe no clue about guitars, only brass instruments.
@@yannnique17 I don't know specifically about manufacturers of brass or wind instruments in the Czech Republic, but I think there would probably be some. I know that they also make good quality and reasonably priced bowed stringed instruments.
Interestingly enough my technician is from the Czech Republic (lives in Germany now), he surely could recommend some czech brands, he also repaired some Lidl instruments. They're not bad at all.
Why has Trent lost weight?
Exercise
Dammn you lost a lot of weight.
lmao Lidl is a german supermarket
And you consider yourself a music nerd? :D
I'm sorry I'm just interested in music
I love how you take the piss out of twoset violin! P.s i conformed from violin to trumpet :)
The obscure horns that infest this planet are amazing, do something on "PISTON HORNS" that are NOT concert mellophones, nor marching mellophones, how about a 5 piston non-compensating euphonium, etc., the list is a long one, for sure.........