I've been rebuilding beatup and war out saw for 20 years. But I enjoy a young buck taking beyond spec. Well done young man. I enjoy watching what you do. And I didnt miss spell war out. The saws i work on have been to war.
Thank you, I have seen a few, revived some and lost some saws that have been exactly where you are talking about. Sometimes you just have to scratch your head as to what actually happened to the poor saw.
Great video man, the boogers on the inside of that stock cylinder we’re pretty disheartening, a video of just removing the casting imperfections without porting as a comparison to completely stock would be interesting! Or maybe just clean up the transfers and run it on the dyno, or just intake or exhaust to see where the biggest gains are seen
I don't mean to keep kicking that can down the rd. I have added a couple other products into that test. Lots and lots of work is going into that 1 video.
I’d like to see you ball hone the cylinders. IMO it helps rings seat and also cleans up the port edges. I do enjoy your videos! How about doing a test on ball honing a cylinder? I’d also like to see a test on fuels.
Awesome video subscribed. My dealer has two 461s new on the shelf. Can I send it to you for a port job like shown in the video? I am looking for a nice ported work saw. Also about how much would it cost? Thanks.
Thank you. If you check out the website www.worksaws.com under porting service appointment. It shows the open spots we have. Feel free to email any questions you have.
Joe, Thank You! I'm a big fan of your channel. With all due respect, which is considerable. I wish you were my neighbor. But how is it you cut .040" out of the squish band, and only had .046" measured squish? Are you telling me that it had .006" squish stock? You actually cut .020" right?
I was taken aback by the first Stihl 461 cylinder I looked at, definitely not like the Mahle cylinders on my older Stihls. I am curious as this relates to some of my 461 and 066/660 builds, have you done a dyno run with and without the baffle cut out of the muffler on the 461 with the port timing you did on this saw?
Love your work by the way ! Awesome stuff ! Would a dual port from a 460, with up size in main jet, gain hp to stock 661 territory?? I have two 461Rvw, one sporting a 25in, the second 36in some times I wonder about a dual port muffler but I’m plenty happy with these stock so far bought 6-7 years ago now
Three reasons I back away from Stihl saws: 1 everyone around here feels like if you’re not running a Stihl you don’t have a saw!! #2 the the Stihl model numbers have no apparent rime or reason!! #3 they are notorious for being hard starting Clunkers!! I believe they are good saws but when you look at what a lot of commercial woodsman are using you notice pretty quick that Stihl saws are not the only saw made!!
@@dynojoemods2764 My rings were a bit brittle, on a very low hour NIB MS461. I'd be hesitant to use ceramic, although I understand they are engineered well. Recentlt I realized I had run about 4 tanks of unmixed 100rn ethenol free gas through it though. I was reusing the 50/1 perfomance fuel tank and forgot to re-mix it with oil. Although I didn't find scoring, maybe the rings had started to heat up and were becoming brittle. Dunno. Never had a saw down to the jug and rings before, so maybe I didnt finesse it light enough. Been around engines my whole life though.. and was being gentle. Just a data point.
Lowering the cylinder also changes the number differently on each port because of the different position on the revolution. Doing some geometry i found out that it could increase the blowdown a bit
Hey guys im trying to buy a chainsaw for milling wood on a mill. As the jump between chainsaw and bandsaw mill is ginormous. after research I'm finding that the cost for a top of the line chainsaw is around 1500 where a cheep bandsaw mill goes for minimum 3000 grand as a kid I have no money or experience. would it be worth it to buy used chainsaws to fix or am I wasting my time and should I just be looking into bandsaw mills? FYI I just moved to a farm with 5 hectares of trees and have no idea. ( Money is tight any ideas or help idk even the type of trees.)
Good thing about the chainsaw is you can also use it to cut/sell firewood etc. Where the band mill only slabs and will still need a saw to cut some of the logs.
@@dynojoemods2764 The intermittent cut always nerve racking for me. Shop I used to weld at every now and then you could hear a chip.chip.chip.blam! Usually the new guys. You got it down though.
Run them the way they show up, and how the customer wants them. I'm sure an oiled foam setup would show better power. But not everyone wants to run foam.
Idk about the 461, but on a 661, 261, 362 the stihl air intake is terrible about plugging filters up and it is convenient to just knock and blow the sawdust out of the oem filter at the end of the day. I bet a foamy would fill up quick, have to gas and re-oil it constantly.
@@itiswhatitis3839 I've ran them on dirtbikes and I assure you that foam air filters do plug up. You have to clean them, it's why they have cleaner and oil kits. Stihl doesnt have a centrifugal air filter setup like husky and fills filters daily. I like being able to just knock/blow the h2 filters clean after work.
I've been rebuilding beatup and war out saw for 20 years. But I enjoy a young buck taking beyond spec. Well done young man. I enjoy watching what you do. And I didnt miss spell war out. The saws i work on have been to war.
Thank you,
I have seen a few, revived some and lost some saws that have been exactly where you are talking about. Sometimes you just have to scratch your head as to what actually happened to the poor saw.
Excellent work Mr. J - you are an artist with tools. You're becoming the Ed Roth of chainsaws.
Thank you.
I actually understood that reference.
Much appreciated
I like the new format, all killer no filler :D
Trying to keep them as short and sweet as possible.
Great video man, the boogers on the inside of that stock cylinder we’re pretty disheartening, a video of just removing the casting imperfections without porting as a comparison to completely stock would be interesting! Or maybe just clean up the transfers and run it on the dyno, or just intake or exhaust to see where the biggest gains are seen
I also like this idea
I like this idea too!
Your the man
Thanks again for the great videos. Heck you could plow the driveway and it still be a good video
Need to plow the drive... We did get some snow the other day lol
One of the best rebuild videos I have seen
Thank you
Same here 👍🏽🔥
Love my 460 and 461 both woods ported machined .... they get after it for sure
Nice build and super great editing!
Best chainsaw build video on the line!
Real nice port work there joe
Love these builds good job on this 461. I hope to have myb461 ported in the near future.
Very good video. I like how you put it all together. Nice work 👍
Great video Joe. This content is very interesting,hope to see more. 😎👍
Thank You!
I plan to keep building, and testing all sorts of saws. Plus a handfull of other things once warm weather comes back.
Great as always!
Best regards! 🤝🤝🤝
Thank you for watching.
Very nice, good work brother.
Thank you
Nice job! 😎 👍
Thank you
Buckin Billy send me here
Love thos 461s
its crazy simple if you got the plate...or make it. cool thanks man.
Nice video
Good stuff as usual.. Great info Thanks for sharing
Thank you for watching.
Nice work and gains 👍
Thank you
Hey Joe. Great show as always. I still am on the lookout for the 365sp build
I don't mean to keep kicking that can down the rd. I have added a couple other products into that test. Lots and lots of work is going into that 1 video.
I hear you Joe!
Solid work saw there! Nice build!
Thank you.
I’d like to see you ball hone the cylinders. IMO it helps rings seat and also cleans up the port edges. I do enjoy your videos! How about doing a test on ball honing a cylinder? I’d also like to see a test on fuels.
Nice work
Fantastic!
Very impressive gains considering that a 461 is already very strong when stock.
Thank you, should make a strong runner.
Nice!
Nice build video! Be neat to do a side by side with a stock 500.
My 500i builds come out just a bit stronger than my 461's.
Would Love to see what you can do to small saws like MS 241 MS 180 MS 170 etc. Thx 😉
I do have a 241 here..... Some day
Thank you!!!
I would like to see a Dyno test on a good running Homelite Super 1050!
I have a 1020 I should try and get running.
Have the felling that it could reach 8hp no problem after a few tanks of cutting
It should be right close after break in.
@mark mate check this out
Looks good! 🤟🤟
Thank you
Nice video!
👍👍👍
Have you ported a 462cm yet? Like to those power/ torque #'s as well. Thanks!
Awesome video subscribed. My dealer has two 461s new on the shelf. Can I send it to you for a port job like shown in the video? I am looking for a nice ported work saw. Also about how much would it cost? Thanks.
Thank you.
If you check out the website www.worksaws.com under porting service appointment. It shows the open spots we have. Feel free to email any questions you have.
Do power enhancements like this make this saw suitable for milling?
They definitely add more power for milling. I know I have a few customers using them occasionally for milling with no complaints
Joe, Thank You! I'm a big fan of your channel. With all due respect, which is considerable. I wish you were my neighbor. But how is it you cut .040" out of the squish band, and only had .046" measured squish? Are you telling me that it had .006" squish stock? You actually cut .020" right?
Sorry, I may have forgot to mention those numbers were without a base gasket. I didn't measure the gasket, but I'm thinking they are .020-.025 thick.
Base gasket delete too.
Interesting my base gasket delete only took squish down about .010”. Stock was about .035, gasket delete with motoseal is .025.
@@ecstans07 This gasket was. 015" thick
I was taken aback by the first Stihl 461 cylinder I looked at, definitely not like the Mahle cylinders on my older Stihls. I am curious as this relates to some of my 461 and 066/660 builds, have you done a dyno run with and without the baffle cut out of the muffler on the 461 with the port timing you did on this saw?
The 461s have had the ugly ports. No where near as bad in the other models.
No, have not tested other muffler only mods.
Love your work by the way ! Awesome stuff !
Would a dual port from a 460, with up size in main jet, gain hp to stock 661 territory?? I have two 461Rvw, one sporting a 25in, the second 36in some times I wonder about a dual port muffler but I’m plenty happy with these stock so far bought 6-7 years ago now
have you tested any customer's 038mags yet stock and ported. Great content as usual thank you.
Never tested an 038 before
Joe, when you posted this on OPE, what barrier were you referring to? 8hp? Great content btw!!
Yes 8hp lol. Maybe a foam filter and a bit more muffler will do it
Hi Joe. Great video(s)
Can you give a few details on your dyno?
That electronic degree wheel, who’s the maker?
Thanks - john from Denmark
ua-cam.com/video/z3i6J0t-ax8/v-deo.html
Dyno video
worksaws.com/products/digital-degree-wheel-kit
Degree wheel kit
Three reasons I back away from Stihl saws: 1 everyone around here feels like if you’re not running a Stihl you don’t have a saw!!
#2 the the Stihl model numbers have no apparent rime or reason!!
#3 they are notorious for being hard starting Clunkers!!
I believe they are good saws but when you look at what a lot of commercial woodsman are using you notice pretty quick that Stihl saws are not the only saw made!!
great job but wodering why the base gaske delete why not cut more off the base and use a gasket
I like to leave as much material on the cylinder as I can. Some bases get pretty thin.
Have you dyno'd ceramic bearings vs normal in the same saw?
it would be interesting to know how much of a difference they actually make.
No, I have not swapped in ceramic bearings before.
Wonder if ceramic would hold up to the stock type loads the chain puts on the bottom end.
@@dynojoemods2764 i was thinking of those sold by dominantsaw specifically for chainsaw use.
@@dynojoemods2764 My rings were a bit brittle, on a very low hour NIB MS461. I'd be hesitant to use ceramic, although I understand they are engineered well.
Recentlt I realized I had run about 4 tanks of unmixed 100rn ethenol free gas through it though. I was reusing the 50/1 perfomance fuel tank and forgot to re-mix it with oil. Although I didn't find scoring, maybe the rings had started to heat up and were becoming brittle. Dunno.
Never had a saw down to the jug and rings before, so maybe I didnt finesse it light enough. Been around engines my whole life though.. and was being gentle.
Just a data point.
When you machine a cylinder does it change the amount of grinding needed to achieve same numbers (when possible)?
Sometimes it helps get the ports where needed. Other times it is mostly for the compression bump.
Lowering the cylinder also changes the number differently on each port because of the different position on the revolution. Doing some geometry i found out that it could increase the blowdown a bit
Hey Joe, I'm curious what the compression is on the 461 after the mods?
Thanks! 😎👍
I'm not sure. Normally not get a gauge if I think they are low. I would guess close to 200psi though
Hey there buddy… have you done the full mix ratio for does 32:1 make more power than 50:1 on your dyno on a couple of saw’s????
Not tested that. Just been running 40:1 in all my builds.
Hey guys im trying to buy a chainsaw for milling wood on a mill. As the jump between chainsaw and bandsaw mill is ginormous. after research I'm finding that the cost for a top of the line chainsaw is around 1500 where a cheep bandsaw mill goes for minimum 3000 grand as a kid I have no money or experience. would it be worth it to buy used chainsaws to fix or am I wasting my time and should I just be looking into bandsaw mills? FYI I just moved to a farm with 5 hectares of trees and have no idea. ( Money is tight any ideas or help idk even the type of trees.)
Good thing about the chainsaw is you can also use it to cut/sell firewood etc. Where the band mill only slabs and will still need a saw to cut some of the logs.
Is this a customers saw or for sale?? Year and price please
Hello Guy can u help me please I have a question for à stihl crankshaft. Thank you
Had 2 of them intell the Bearings went out never agin ONLY XP FOR ME
Dang. Sorry to hear about the bearing issue.
I have a 385 and a 390 right now with bad bearings, so its not just a Stihl thing...
How much can you get out of a 462?
I have not done a 462 yet. I would expect to see about the same power as the 461. Maybe even a bit more hp, but less tq.
@@dynojoemods2764 The 462 is my favorite firewood saw. I'd really like to find a deal on a 661 and send it to you to see if you can hit 10hp.
That sounds like a fun goal!
@@dynojoemods2764 Are you going to try the one I left you, I have another here too.
Great video, glad you got those "red things" trimmed up lol.
@@brettblack7049
I'll build the one I got from you
Cost where do I ship my saw.
Www.worksaws.com
350$ + return shipping
What’s the price on something like that on the 461
Www.worksaws.com website has the porting prices or if you are just looking for a muffler mod. I don't have complete saws for sale.
@@dynojoemods2764 I have the saw with a modified muffler I was talking about sending you my saw
@@Eric19781 ahh, porting is 350$ + return shipping
Do you sell those deflectors
worksaws.com/
Yes, that was a medium mild steel.
Do you sell these deflectors?
Yes.
Www.worksaws.com
Do you work on Husqvarna ? Where are you located at ?
Yes, I will work on husqvarna. I am in Michigan.
@@dynojoemods2764 yeah I figured you where in the states. 🙁 I need to find someone in western Canada
Gotta admit, was alittle nervous at 4:25. Are you a machinist by trade?
Nervous?
Yes, the last 10 years or so have been on machines.
@@dynojoemods2764 The intermittent cut always nerve racking for me. Shop I used to weld at every now and then you could hear a chip.chip.chip.blam! Usually the new guys. You got it down though.
I don't understand englis well for what is this work? To increase power
Yes to increase the engine power.
@@dynojoemods2764 good job
@@dynojoemods2764 At sthil 039 i can do this work?
Why are you running it with factory filter instead of upgraded foam filters?
Run them the way they show up, and how the customer wants them. I'm sure an oiled foam setup would show better power. But not everyone wants to run foam.
Idk about the 461, but on a 661, 261, 362 the stihl air intake is terrible about plugging filters up and it is convenient to just knock and blow the sawdust out of the oem filter at the end of the day. I bet a foamy would fill up quick, have to gas and re-oil it constantly.
@@ricksanchez7459 foam filters don’t fill up that’s why its oiled to trap small particles
@@ricksanchez7459 from your messages you’ve obviously never used foam oiled filter or know nothing about how they function
@@itiswhatitis3839 I've ran them on dirtbikes and I assure you that foam air filters do plug up. You have to clean them, it's why they have cleaner and oil kits. Stihl doesnt have a centrifugal air filter setup like husky and fills filters daily. I like being able to just knock/blow the h2 filters clean after work.
What you charge to build me a 7900 like in your last video.
To convert one? Or is yours already a 7900?
Will you try my accessories now?【from Hipa】thanks
Looks thin
Obviously the 461 is still no match for the dolly you just did.... yet others so called tuners on here say it's a stronger saw.🤷♂️
Everyone builds saws a bit different. Some may have a stronger 461 recipe than mine. Or a lesser dolmar and in that case the 461 would be stronger
@Dyno Joe Mods maybe what about like for like? Didn't think the 461 pulled same hp as dolly stock?
@@Dolmar-Rick
This 461 was actually a touch higher hp, and tq than the Makita7901 I tested stock. But only about .2 hp more. Both very close on output
@@dynojoemods2764 didn't think it was🤔
Real nice port work there joe
Thank you