In this video, I demonstrate the following: 1. What is sidechaining; what is a side chain? 2. How to set up a side chain compression ducking effect. 3. How to use sidechaining as a mixing tool to make room for vocals. 4. how to use the side chain input in the ES2 synthesizer to control modulation effects. Support the sponsor of this video, Boombox | bit.ly/boomboxsponsor For mixing/mastering work, contact me at my website | carneymediagroup.com Follow MusicTechHelpGuy on Instagram | instagram.com/musictechhelpguy Support the channel on Patreon | patreon.com/musictechhelpguy Timestamps: 0:00 What is Sidechaining? 2:08 Sponsor Segment 2:47 Ducking Effect 7:59 With Drum Machine Designer 9:10 Input Filter 12:00 With Arpeggiators + Reverb 14:31 RMS vs. Peak (Heavier Ducking) 16:00 Mixing with Vocals 21:25 With Synth Modulation (ES2)
Holy shhhhhhit. I wish u can do tutorials on the logic instruments. I never understood some of the parameters in, among others, ES2. I was always wondering what those parameters do. Man u explain this so easy. It’s shocking what u can do with those parameters 😱. So amazing 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾. Pls do more modulation techniques explaining the parameters of the logic instruments starting from the top of the list pls. Btw that rms and sum docking/peaking in the compression was always a mistery. U explain it so good using the low end of the drums. Thank you sooooo much. Another mistery solved. Especially if u want to sidechaine using a drum sample. That’swhy I never use drumsample, but now I will try because of the low end filter technique in the compressor to sidechain.
Well this is the topic that I never really understood so far: side chaining. Especially parts 1 and 2 are very important for me, probably not part 3 as it’s too time-consuming for me. I‘ll use kick and bass side chaining from now on and probably also the instrument/vocal side chain. Thanx so much. I’m a little behind in watching the modules (that concerns #46 and 48) due to lack of time at the moment, but they‘re there when I need them. 💪🏻👏🏻👍🏻🙏🏻 So next will be #50 …
Do you ever use a Bus/Aux when using side compression instead of placing directly on the track? I see this done at times and wondered what the pros/cons to this are. Thank you for this whole series of vids MTHG.
Not the velocity, per se, but the volume level of the output of the instrument. So if the side chain source is an instrument that is velocity sensitive for volume, then yes, it will make a difference.
Yeah that changed a long time ago. In the earlier versions of Logic 10, you could only have audio tracks be side chain sources, so you'd have to convert MIDI to audio in order to do it, or route through an aux track first. I think as of version 10.2, you can route directly from instrument tracks.
Dang I didn’t even know but did see instruments for side chaining and just thought that you had to still do it using an audio track for some reason I didn’t know. That’s cool. Thanks.
Hey Josh, Say I have a song with a lot of instrumentals and my lyrics come in and out in between several bars. Suppose I want the singer to duck the instruments while singing. Would I want to use side chaining on the instruments (and how would I set that up) or just use automation on the various volume levels? This is all just hypothetical. Gianni❤
The use case about making space for vocals doesn't seem intuitive to me. It seems like the louder the vocals are, the more the instrumental will get ducked, but shouldn't it be the opposite; the quieter the vocals are the more the instrumental will get ducked?
That's definitely not how it's supposed to work. Track stacks in 10.8 and 11 should be able to be loaded into other track stacks. Maybe try a settings reset or delete the PLIST and see if there's some setting that's being held over from a previous version? ua-cam.com/video/Rn8GApZ51KQ/v-deo.htmlsi=4EaCDraewkr40TQk
It definitely ducks more than RMS because it's taking into the full dynamic range of the transient. I'd definitely use it if you want a more noticeable ducking effect, and for softer effects RMS works well.
I find myself wanting to do more custom sound manipulation and engineering inside of alchemy. I know my way around serum very well and that’s what I always use if I have to manipulate the parameters of a synthesizer simply because I will kill me is not as user-friendly on the interface. I would love to know how to manipulate alchemy the same way I know how to manipulate serum because alchemy has some really cool synthesizers but it’s hard to use them if you can’t really manipulate them to work within your track I hope someday logic will update the user interface on alchemy and make it more user-friendly
In this video, I demonstrate the following:
1. What is sidechaining; what is a side chain?
2. How to set up a side chain compression ducking effect.
3. How to use sidechaining as a mixing tool to make room for vocals.
4. how to use the side chain input in the ES2 synthesizer to control modulation effects.
Support the sponsor of this video, Boombox | bit.ly/boomboxsponsor
For mixing/mastering work, contact me at my website | carneymediagroup.com
Follow MusicTechHelpGuy on Instagram | instagram.com/musictechhelpguy
Support the channel on Patreon | patreon.com/musictechhelpguy
Timestamps:
0:00 What is Sidechaining?
2:08 Sponsor Segment
2:47 Ducking Effect
7:59 With Drum Machine Designer
9:10 Input Filter
12:00 With Arpeggiators + Reverb
14:31 RMS vs. Peak (Heavier Ducking)
16:00 Mixing with Vocals
21:25 With Synth Modulation (ES2)
As usual, clear, simple and straightforword. TY.
Great stuff man - I learned something today. Thanks! Keep up the good work.
thank you! this is really clear and helpful
Amazing and concise as always. Well done
Pure gold! Thank you!
Very helpful, thank you
Love your channel man!!! Thank you !!!
Is the side chain a type of automation??🙌
This is awesome! Thanks so much for your videos!
Still always love your videos , info and delivery thanks
Awesome stuff dude!!
Thanks super helpful 😊
BEST ONE, thanks!
Super cool!
Big thx. I love your videos. Very helpful 👌
Thank you!!
Thank you so much
Great video, as always! =)
Holy shhhhhhit. I wish u can do tutorials on the logic instruments. I never understood some of the parameters in, among others, ES2. I was always wondering what those parameters do. Man u explain this so easy. It’s shocking what u can do with those parameters 😱. So amazing 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾. Pls do more modulation techniques explaining the parameters of the logic instruments starting from the top of the list pls. Btw that rms and sum docking/peaking in the compression was always a mistery. U explain it so good using the low end of the drums. Thank you sooooo much. Another mistery solved. Especially if u want to sidechaine using a drum sample. That’swhy I never use drumsample, but now I will try because of the low end filter technique in the compressor to sidechain.
great simple and effective stuff! Thanx @MusicTechHelpGuy ! :)
Well this is the topic that I never really understood so far: side chaining. Especially parts 1 and 2 are very important for me, probably not part 3 as it’s too time-consuming for me. I‘ll use kick and bass side chaining from now on and probably also the instrument/vocal side chain. Thanx so much. I’m a little behind in watching the modules (that concerns #46 and 48) due to lack of time at the moment, but they‘re there when I need them. 💪🏻👏🏻👍🏻🙏🏻 So next will be #50 …
Thanks a lot..
17:04 Sounds like TFF. Who is the artist?
That's an original song of mine. Currently unreleased.
Do you ever use a Bus/Aux when using side compression instead of placing directly on the track? I see this done at times and wondered what the pros/cons to this are. Thank you for this whole series of vids MTHG.
As always great video. Does the velocity of sidechain source notes impact the level of influence on the target?
Not the velocity, per se, but the volume level of the output of the instrument. So if the side chain source is an instrument that is velocity sensitive for volume, then yes, it will make a difference.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy great thx.
Can this be used to duck out bass synth frequencies whenever the kick hits?
I thought you could only sidechain to a audio track? Did that change in later updates to where you can now use midi?
Yeah that changed a long time ago. In the earlier versions of Logic 10, you could only have audio tracks be side chain sources, so you'd have to convert MIDI to audio in order to do it, or route through an aux track first. I think as of version 10.2, you can route directly from instrument tracks.
Dang I didn’t even know but did see instruments for side chaining and just thought that you had to still do it using an audio track for some reason I didn’t know. That’s cool. Thanks.
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Hey Josh,
Say I have a song with a lot of instrumentals and my lyrics come in and out in between several bars. Suppose I want the singer to duck the instruments while singing.
Would I want to use side chaining on the instruments (and how would I set that up) or just use automation on the various volume levels?
This is all just hypothetical.
Gianni❤
Looks like you’re answering my question!😉✌🏼
What is the difference between Stereo Out and Master?
On a Clear Day, I Could See Forever More...thanks Josh..btw, your vocal is very George Michael...
The use case about making space for vocals doesn't seem intuitive to me. It seems like the louder the vocals are, the more the instrumental will get ducked, but shouldn't it be the opposite; the quieter the vocals are the more the instrumental will get ducked?
Put it in peak mode, slam the threshold and barely pull up the ratio, then basically all notes will compress equally.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy Oh that's fantastic! You're awesome man, keep up the great work. You really are the MusicTechHelpGuy. 😁
The option to "Create Track Stack" from other stacked tracks is greyed out for me in Logic Pro 11. Can anyone help, please?
That's definitely not how it's supposed to work. Track stacks in 10.8 and 11 should be able to be loaded into other track stacks. Maybe try a settings reset or delete the PLIST and see if there's some setting that's being held over from a previous version?
ua-cam.com/video/Rn8GApZ51KQ/v-deo.htmlsi=4EaCDraewkr40TQk
I like peak more than rms that’s just me
It definitely ducks more than RMS because it's taking into the full dynamic range of the transient. I'd definitely use it if you want a more noticeable ducking effect, and for softer effects RMS works well.
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I find myself wanting to do more custom sound manipulation and engineering inside of alchemy. I know my way around serum very well and that’s what I always use if I have to manipulate the parameters of a synthesizer simply because I will kill me is not as user-friendly on the interface. I would love to know how to manipulate alchemy the same way I know how to manipulate serum because alchemy has some really cool synthesizers but it’s hard to use them if you can’t really manipulate them to work within your track
I hope someday logic will update the user interface on alchemy and make it more user-friendly