Caitlin Clark Is Outproducing Her Turnovers!
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Robin discusses Indiana Fever rookie Caitlin Clark setting the all-time mark for turnovers in a WNBA season.
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Guess what - aggressive passers will have a lot of turnovers. Alert the media.
yeah but not SIX turnovers. that would be forgivable if she was averaging 12 assists. 7.8 assists and 5.8 turnovers is NOT good.
it's like averaging 20 points while shooting 30% from the field and saying "oh but shooters will average lower field goal percentages"
They did a anonymous question to all gm´s who they would build her team around and more Gm´s said Caitlin Clark than Aja Wilson. That should tell all you need to know about her caliber of play.
That’s true although it was a pretty even split. I believe 6 for Clark, 5 for Wilson and one vote for Aaliyah Boston. The fact that she’s neck/neck with the consensus MVP and terrific players says about what you need to know.
@@BobG-pi8bb Do we need to know who said Boston? Go listen to interviews of Lin Dunn about Clark or the state of the WNBA it will tell you all you need to know about how CC is viewed by her current organization. It’s heartbreaking to hear I think she would have been better off on any of the eleven other teams.
@@michelleblanc6377 The article on the 2024 WNBA GM Survey listing all of the 45 preseason survey answers plainly states...
"General managers were not permitted to vote for their own team or personnel".
So it wasn't Dunn.
@@skeptical-optimist Let me tell you she would if she could she is really into that type of basketball versus something a lot more pace driven.
any team in the wnba would gladly have CC with those TOs on their squad
You have to look at the assist to turnover ratio. That's always been the case and these people who are ignorant about basketball fail to realize that.
She's averaging 7 assists and 7 turnovers so what are you talking about? 😂
Her assist to turnover ratio is the worst of any player ranked in the top ten in assists.
@@ghsense2626 It's points off of that matters. All of those assists result in points (by definition), not all of the turnovers do/will.
@@ghsense2626instead of making up stats, try looking it up from actual and official sources. The WNBA website as of this writing states that Caitlin Clark averages 7.8 assists and 5.6 turnovers per game.
Turnovers should also go to the person the player is passing to. Some turnovers are the players total fault but when Caitlin passes to a teammate and that teammate doesn't expect it or knows how to catch the ball, that player should at least get a half turnover. The problem with the Fever is they aren't used to playing with a dynamite player and some of the Fever players just don't know how to pass the ball.
Yeah just change a rule thats been around for decades 😂😂😂
Turnovers are not that big of a deal when you look at the number of the lack of handling her passes by teammates
That narrative is dead. Her teammates handle her passes fine when she doesn’t make crappy passes.
Caitlin Clark ( GUARD ) season stats average so far 16.8 (PTS ), 7.8 ( AST rank 1st ) , 88.9 (FT % rank 6th ) , 6.0 ( REB rank 18th ), 1.4 ( STL ) , 5.5 ( TO ) even with the turnovers CC is leading the ENTIRE WNBA in points generated at 713 very impressive just by itself. Angel Reese (FORWARD ) 13.8 (PTS ), 1.9 ( AST rank 54th ) , 11.9 ( REB rank 1st ) , 1.5 ( STL ) , 1.8 ( TO ). ( CC ast 7.4 rank 2nd to Reese 1.9 ast rank 54th / Reese 11.9 reb rank 1st to CC 6.0 rank 18th ) Angel Reese is not a team player she is all about herself and the stats most of her boards are from her missing her own shots if she only would pass to her teammates she would probably accumulate a reasonable amount of assists to help her team. Caitlin Clark on the other hand shows lots of diversity and has great overall court awareness not to mention she is outstanding in her passing CC is a better team leader spreads the ball around all her many assist prove that point and at the same time even though she leads in turnovers she also leads the ENTIRE LEAGUE in Most points generated. ROOKIE OF THE YEAR ** Caitlin Clark. **
She is now 1st in assist. Alyssa Thomas had 3 assists yesterday so she is now at 7.7.
@@gyamjames thanks i just made that Great Adjustment
Kelsey fumbles at least one or two passes a game, two bounce passes in this game alone. If the other player touches it, why does CC get charged with the turnover? That alone would almost cut her total in half.
True Mitchell has a hard time handling the long pass from Caitlin. Even if Caitlin puts it right in her hands. Hope Mitchell will slow down enough to catch the ball first before making her move.
Caitlin is a high risk passer. That's why you see her do some incredible passing. That type of passing will lean toward high turnovers. I don't have a issue with it as long as it doesn't cost them the win. Her assist to turnover ratio is 1.41 . Boston said, of Caitlin passing is coming so you best be ready for it. Caitlin and Boston have really come together in that department. All is good..
Turnovers that lead to points are the only TOs that mean anything.
Didn't Lebron lead the NBA in turnovers? Westbrook was 2nd. John Stockton was 4th. Great passers have turnovers; it comes with the territory. Her assists have skyrocketed because she and her teammates are more insync. She has 194 assitst with 15 games remaining, so she will shatter the rookie record for assists and come close to the overall record set at 314. The Fever are now a team to be reckoned with because to Caitlyn Clark.
CC had a legendary turnover yesterday. It was a bad stretch where CC could not get anyone to run or screen for her. She came down and just through the ball over everyone's head not close to anyone. The Fever players started looking at each other. It was "what was that" moment. They had not even gotten into any type of offensive play.
What about Reese's mediocre production? No passing, no assists, no steals, no blocks, whines when she doesn't get the ball, tells fans not to come to games... 😂😂😂😂 Clark is throwing shoes to fans, helping her team win... Why is there even a debate? Just because of some turnovers???
Historically turnovers account for somewhere slightly above 1 point per turnover. Assist accounts for 2 or 3 points per assist. Turnovers are pretty much similar to your FG%. A bad turnover is one in your backcourt. A better turnover is in the front court where your defense can recover. These are the ones CC gets.
Do they keep track of points off of turnovers? What does that look like?
We'd rather have the TOs with the generational talent and money-making machine, than have no TOs with no audience and no profit.
Want to put a fine point on this. There are multiple factors. She is sloppy at times. Keep in mind, knock on wood, she has removed one factor. Getting stripped. ☑️ Now, one that is not mentioned, and she could fix this one with some work. She looks right at her teammate when she makes passes often, usually when making a bounce pass. Makes it very easy to get a hand on it. She is sloppy at times, lackadaisical if you will. Could tighten that up pretty easily. Now for the rest. Risk reward. If she all but eliminated the others, then her fans would not scrutinize the passes she tries to fit into impossible spaces because she has no peer in this league. Dropped passes are part of this as well the league needs better statisticians. The last thing is the tear she has been on, where the shear number of assists, gives her a differential to the plus side that is greater than almost every player in the leagues raw assist numbers. I think that covers it. 👌☑️😎 JP
Did REEVES get her endorsement from “Depends”?😂😂😂😂
It just doesn't matter, the important number is team turnovers. It doesnt matter as much in the WNBA. THERE are more unforced errors and missed shots so less points from turnovers. One game she was directly responisible for 60 points of the teams 84 points! Shes leading the league in created points, points scored + points from assists. It isnt just TOs vs assists. Its points from assists vs points given up from turns overs. Some of her assists are worth 3 points, many of her turnovers yield 0 points. If the agressive style offense is about the same team turnovers as a slower paced offense what difference does it make how those tirnovers are spread around, 1 player or six? 15 team turnovers are 15 team turnovers, but the highly aggressive, take chances offense creates more points. Last I looked, before the coach changed her position, they were 3rd in the league in scoring (now 5th) and about average in turnovers, (less then or within 1 team turnover a game of 8 teams) Caitlin's stlye is worth much more than 1 extra team turnover.
Turnovers in basketball must be measured by their importance. At what point in the match and where on the pitch? Because unlike assists, not all of them lead to a change in the result. BTW Yesterday, Kahleah Cooper lost one more ball than CC, and only one less was lost for Kelsey Plum.
Well said about using turnovers against CC
High usage star players generate turnovers.
LeBron being the all time NBA leader and Trae Young and Luca Donic
LeBron James and Steph Curry also have high turnovers and they are GOATs too
Turnovers that lead to scoring or momentum shifts, not all to’s are equally damaging
1 guy calculated 39 cc dimes that should have been assists, 33%
Why isn't this guy asking about why no run and gun offense that got them a 31-point lead over the Mercury until Sides slowed the game down and they almost lost? Yesterday's game was an UGLY victory, anyone other than Christy Sides fan boys could see it!!!!
I just looked at the team stats. The Fever has averaged as a team about 15 turnovers a game the last 3 seasons. So, Caitlin getting turnovers is the result of her having the ball. However, they are not turning the ball over anymore. Plus, the Fever was turning the ball over much more at the beginning of the season compared to now.
Turnovers don't always leads to buckets the other way but them not making layups that's the problem if they practice on their layups they will be blowing teams out with the fast pace wouldn't need to play hard defense because the other team would be worn out by the 4th strength and conditioning coach get them lungs and legs strong with them suicides make them run that lower bowl steps uppers might be to steep
More then half are passes her teammates have never seen before. As such they are fumbled and turned-over. Opponents watch film and see these passes and try to get a tell on Clark. But Clark's IQ is so high, a certain pass will not always come from the same angle. Those turnovers, while not optimal, will be future assists and more headaches for other teams.
She’s doing all these things, and she’s doing all of these things while also being the top of every opposing team scouting report and the primary focus of every teams defense. This doesn’t get mentioned as much as I think it should, but everything she’s doing is impressive on its own, and when you factor in that, she’s doing so with the highest defensive pressure of any player in the league, not any rookie in the league, but any player in the league, it just becomes more impressive.
The only fair comparison with Assists & Turnovers is if you only count the Turnovers that lead to points (since that's all that gets counted for Assists). ALL of her Assists (by definition) result in points; not so for the turnovers.
Jason Kidd had a lot of turnovers in his first two seasons and throughout his career for a lot of the same reasons.
All-time NBA most turnover list? EIGHT of the top ten are Hall of Famers -
[Lebron, Stockton, Kobe, Kidd, Isiah, Olajuwon, and Karl and Moses Malone]
How many TOs are faults of teammates
You make great content! I may disagree with some things and I’ve given my opinion on here, but I like your content! Just thought I’d put that out there!
I appreciate that!
CC’s in good company with Alyssa Thomas and Luka Doncic!
Results. Wins Liberty, Mercury, Mercury, Lynx
Do we keep track of turnovers in soccer? It is a meaningless data point in basketball. Is a defensive rebound a turnover? Is a desperate shot before the shot clock a turnover? Basketball is a dynamic team game that defies normal stats in other sports. CC being the ROTY and in the MVP running proves that turnovers in basketball is meaningless in unto itself.
it ia expected because she attacts a lot of defenders, and those teams will try everything to disrupt her 🙄
KOBE AND LEBRON ARE TOP IN CAREER TO’S
How many fewer turnovers would she have if her teammates could catch?
Caitlin is the new White Chocolate....
The turnovers are going down as her teammates learn to anticipate her spectacular passes.
Caitlin Clark is just like Brett Farve who a lot of times threw into double triple coverages and then sometimes suffers a brain cramp and just throws a dumb pass.
It’s not just the turnovers. She has the fourth worst FG% among the league’s top 20 scorers. She has the worst assist to turnover ratio of all the players ranked in the top 10 in assists. She’s also a defensive liability. She’s having a good year and right now is the ROTY. But let’s stop trying to brush aside the holes in her game in order to make her look better than she really is.
She takes RISKS..no risk no reward..This isn't rocket science..
Easy . She leads the league in points produced with 830 points in assists and points. An assist is a made basket ie 2 or 3 points. A turnover is a POTENTIAL basket , which is a 50% opportunity. So on average a turnover is -1 points . Assists are more valuable than turnovers by a 4 to 1 average. I know this is more complex than the average fan understands.
If she had 20 turnovers a game that would be a problem. Averaging 10 assists =25+ points vs 5 turnovers = -5 points. That’s a +20 difference. That’s a great return on possessions.
Come on now dude, don’t be this ridiculous. CC is great but needs to work on a lot things like her defence. 3 point shots selection cause she jacks 3 when it’s not necessary when you can get a better and high percentage shots. She needs to work on a mid-range shot. She has to work on dribbling with her left. Despite all the things I mentioned, don’t get me wrong, CC is still fun to watch.
I’m betting you, she knows this to , and what you just said will be her off season goals, I’ve said this before, I think she has other things that she wants to work on in her own head , her thinking is like any professional, I want to be better than my last game, no matter how I did last game 😁
Might make this a big nothing.
Stop it Robin. She's averaging more turnovers per game than field goals made per game. You can call it silly but it's real.
She has more assists than TOs. It's all you want to focus on to bring her down. Get real!
@@Joshua-me1wi How is stating a fact trying to bring someone down? You people are unreal.
@@Joshua-me1wi And her assist to turnover ratio is putrid. It's getting better thanks to a few high assist games but it's still below other high usage guards.
LEBRON JAMES HAS THE HIGHEST TURONVERS IN NBA HISTORY, TRY AGAIN🤣
And? Who cares? I mean the real fans and ticket buyers do not. WNBA is suddenly rolling in money because of her, and yeah more points….money talks
If I were you Robin I would stop pointing out this shit….She is the Queen and you are dissing her by focusing on this stupid stat….so zip it…
How do you out produce turnovers…
Easy . She leads the league in points produced with 830 points in assists and points. An assist is a made basket ie 2 or 3 points. A turnover is a POTENTIAL basket , which is a 50% opportunity. So on average a turnover is -1 points . Assists are more valuable than turnovers by a 4 to 1 average. I know this is more complex than the average fan understands.
If she had 20 turnovers a game that would be a problem. Averaging 10 assists =25+ points vs 5 turnovers = -5 points. That’s a +20 difference.
@@jaylucas8352 who’s the #2 producer of points and how many turners do they have thats the better question and bigger indication of impact
The very first play of the game is a TURNOVER BY LIL cc... 😅😅😅😅.... stop and face the truth
Clark has turnovers like LeBron, Curry, and some of the greatest players! I do not count the initial games because her Fever team was slow and out of shape and not attentive. She is still belongs in the most amazing rookies club!
You know what who cares cheap rings more fans to the game than any basketball girl player in history if it wasn't for her there will be no game no one would care pistol Pete Mavericks have so many turnovers and Miss passes but he's still the greatest
Similarly, I think Angel Reese is outperforming her FG%. To be fair…
She should be. Most of her points are by the basket not 30 foot three pointers. I think it’s bad to even have a comparison between a guard and a big. Reese should be 50 percent or close pretty easily.
Clark shoots from 25 ft away. Reese shoots from 2.5 feet away. To be fair…
So let's "be fair" then. Through 23 games, Reese has shot 40.2 percent from the floor which is a low percentage for a post player. She's shooting, and missing, layups, then getting her own rebound which pads that stat. CC's shooting from the logo. When she does shoot layups, she's probably about 90%.
You can't rely on the field goal percentage stat. Example a player can attempt one basket a game and make it . That's 💯 precent.
She not a two player and not high level basketball player lile nba top players
LeBron sucks. His turnovers!😂