@@erynpoulin8151 because he only saved Sejanus so he wouldn’t get a demerit and tried to tell Dr.gaul that they were not friends Edit: Love your profile pic
They did grow closer towards the end tho when Snow met him in district 12 again and his death genuinely affected him and snow was trying to keep him alive
@@rnplays6670 that is true another thing is that he wanted him away from district 12 because he was afraid he would do something stupid And he would get part of the blame Edit but it is true they took a closer towards the end
@@It.s_ok-nowif we are really into this, I think that the person who Snow himself considered the closest to being his best friend was Festus, who was much more sympathetic side character in the book than he is in the movie
It's also interesting how Snow's horrified by the thought of Tigris potentially selling her body, while he had no issue pimping out victors like Finnick.
Snow is such a complex character and I love it. His story arc is really good. One thing I picked up on is he Disney have moral codes like Lucy gray to survive but old snow has a code to never lie as he lied a lot to get his way which he backstabbed people, so he doesn’t want being backstabbing him by lying so he tells katniss to never lie.
snow didn't "turn" evil and his transformation wasn't "inevitable"- he had many positive influences in his life and KNEW what the districts went through. the scariest part about him is that he is the one who chooses to be like this, that he wasn't forced to become what he became. also sejanus was not hus best friend lol
Nah, if by "many positive influences" you mean Tigris then it's not much - since Tigris' humanitarian world-view couldn't do much to alleviate their family's poverty. It always fell upon him to raise his Grandma'am and his beloved Tigris out of poverty regardless of what it took. Highbottom's unfair blocking of his progress at every turn meant that he was always gonna have to cheat somehow to succeed, so I'd say Highbottom was most to blame. Him choosing a more "moral" path would've meant choosing poverty for himself and his family.
In the book, he's already showing toxic characteristics, an incredible lack of empathy towards everyone, and an adoration for his imaginary greatness at the time. His society (capitol classmates) and bad influences (grandma'am, dr gaul) already shaped him to become a sociopath, but with new economic growth he's growing to become a psychopath, now he has the money to buy votes, to do whatever he pleases, and expand his vision for the hunger games.
In the book it starts a lot sooner, but a little more subtle because he’s still got it contained under the guise of being unsure of what he believes. His relationships with both Lucy gray and sejanus speak the loudest about where his psyche is headed though
It’s also because many things about Katniss Everdeen remind Snow of Lucy Gray like MockingJays,The plant she named Katniss,the same songs they sing, personality, etc.
I don’t think snow ever saw sejanus as his best friend more like a burden 😭 when he sent seajuns to his death he felt bad that he killed someone who saw him as his brother. The key word is “ saw him” because snow never saw anything of seajuns aside district.
The snow in the movies isn't exactly like the Snow in the Books ... Sure he is the bad guy but in the fourth book he has much more character skills that they didn't show in the movie ... What I missed in the movie was how the family was really poor and just ate cabbage and Lima beans because that was all they had.
The scene after Sir Janus got hung, he searched his Bucket…? And saw a picture of him and Sir Janus together, that scene Really stood out to me because he cried.
Yeah I don't think he actually expected him to be hung. He didn't like what sejanus was doing and felt he should tell it to a higher authority, but he didn't think there would be much consequence. His thought his dad would pay his way out of there and take him back to the Capitol, where he wouldn't be able to plot with the districts. Specifically in the books he says that he'd be miserable (life in the capitol) but safe. Now why he chose Dr Gaul, who we have seen being cruel and indifferent to even capitol-high status children, instead of writing to his father, is a real mystery.
@@LeChatNoir1300he saw Sejanus as a loose cannon. Snow almost died cos he was forced into the arena to save him, and Snow was so mad he was actually tempted to wrap his hands around his throat after they escaped. He knew that he was closely associated to Sejanus, and if Sejanus was caught up in rebel activity, he would be viewed as guilty by association cos he must’ve known about it. By him being the one to turn him in showed the capitol he had nothing to do with it, and showed Dr Gaul that he was willing to dispense of his friend to uphold capitol standards. He definitely didn’t expect Sejanus to die, but he also wasn’t that bothered by his death… He briefly felt guilt for it, but his main take away from the death was that he was sad he wouldn’t get any more of ma plinths food packages 😫😂 Snow is very interesting cos as the story progresses, we see how each death he’s responsible for effects him less and less. The murder of Bobbin effected him cos it was his first. It highlighted that any innocence left in him was essentially gone (that’s how he viewed it anyway), and after he killed Mayfair he thought about how that was easier than the bobbin murder, and also the fact he killed Mayfair for self preservation, not self defence.
Sejanus wasn’t his best friend. He only went in after him so he could win the Plinth Prize. After that he felt closer but never actually had a best friends relationship with him.
yeah! i noticed that too. A lot of his actions are derived from greed (plinth prize). you can tell he is a man who does not have a moral compass and it comes out little by little until transformation
Woah woah woah… MADNESS? He isn’t mad. He was groomed to have a certain worldview and now he thinks all the horrible shit he does is “the only way” and “for the greater good.” We do get to see a little bit of Dr. Gaul’s influence over him in the film, but you really get to sit with it in the book. The point is that, depending on the circumstances, any of us could become somebody in the future that our present self wouldn’t recognize. It’s a matter of one’s view of human nature, not of evil, sadism, or madness. The Coriolanus Snow’s of the world don’t happen by pure accident. Events occur and we are shaped by them. How we are shaped by them depends on who we are surrounded by. When someone needs help, the people who can help often won’t and those who would help do not have the means. The people responsible for alleviating the worries in his life largely shaped who he would become. A woman who manipulated him for his creativity and a man who values his reputation more that anything. Loving family and his bonds aside, that boy was doomed to become an oligarch.
He never want sejanus dead, he send that voice message to gaul because he thinks that gaul can save him; film doesnt show that, you can read book, it was so different
Snow has power issues displayed in his character and how he saw his possessive affection for Lucy… but Lucy only learned to survive at a young age and how she only ever learned to go from one place to another and it benefited her for snow to like and protect her. But she also had her demons… I’m seeing people blame one side but I think they were both toxic in their own respects.
Can I say something out of the choir? I don't think we really needed this prequel! In the main trilogy, Snow is cruel, but at the same time he's not crazy like he appears in the prequel. I mean, in the Hunger Games, he kills just to keep order and power, to make the other districts remember how they depend on the capital. He's calm and a calculator, a man who watches people killing others but with no need of get his own hand dirty. Here in the prequel, he seems like a crazy ambitious dude, who doesn't really know how to reach a great position and ends up randomly murdering 3 people! I also think that his love story with Lucy ruins his future interaction with Katniss! He doesn't fear Katniss because she reminds him of his former lover, but because she's gaining more and more power (with the approval of the masses) and he sees her as political opponent! He respects her somehow when she makes the right move, because he is a strategist and a manipulator, and they are all playing the (hunger) games after all! The one who gets sponsor wins and Snow know he's slowly losing control over the citizens. It's all about political rivalry not revenge towards a lovestory that didn't go as he wanted to!
So, something the movie doesn't (and possibly can't) show well, is Snow's complete selfishness. All of those cold calculating things you are talking about from the original trilogy are present in the prequel. It shows that he was never some good guy who turned bad. He has ALWAYS been out for himself. He doesn't actually care about ANYONE (including his "best friend"). He cares about people only as far as they are extensions of himself. He only ever cares about himself and his reputation. When you can see his inner thoughts in the book, you see that every single good thing he does for anyone is only because it benefits him. There really isn't a "transformation", he has always been this calculating and selfish.
@jenangel7267 which honestly makes him a perfect villain in my eyes. As he encapsulates all the worst traits of politics and legitimately feels like a real dictator of a nation. A man who seeks only to maintain power and extracts every penny from the population until they are miserable, all to maintain his wealth and of his inner circle and military that prop him up. Legitimately reminds me of dictators like Nicolas Maduro or Francisco Franco.
@@jenangel7267great comment 👏👏 I honestly was mad that they sugar-coated him in the movie and now most girls are thirsting over an established psycho 😅
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Snow was scared of Katniss as a political opponent, of course! However, when he saw her hit the apple at the feast in defiance, when she sang the hanging tree, all the talk about mockingjays, even her name "katniss" had to remind him. Snow believed he was special and he sensed that Katniss was special as he had sensed that Lucy Gray was special. Those girls weren't at all alike, but they were somehow very much alike! Snow was intelligent as he was obsessive with specific details and he could tell.
No, it's everywhere, it's actually in theaters right now. There were premieres all over the world and promotion, only that it was pretty late, almost on their premiere date@@jaleesalake1019
So, do you think she didn't trust him? After watching this movie, it made me realize how it shaped Snow's perspective on the world, she basically made him evolve into a vicious person.
Maybe, but he could have easily destroyed the gun and let her run off. He wasn't gonna kill her till he got bit by her snake and realized she had already betrayed him.
@@JP-rf8rrin the book it's more clear that he was willing to kill her. He went after her with a gun, even before finding the snake. He didn't have to take the gun with him, but he did, he was already hostile towards her.
@LeChatNoir1300 According to a video where his thoughts in the book were read out (don't know if anything is missing) he wasn't hostile even then because he was sure she wouldn't turn him because it would incriminate her as well. He then reflects that he hadn't gotten rid of the gun yet, which might give Lucy the wrong idea right before the snake incident. After that, he went full hostile.
@@JP-rf8rr there's a lot going on in his head. For example, he says that if they got to her (the mayor was after her) and they tortured her, she might confess that it was Snow. After all, it was snow that killed Mayfair, not LG. He really sees her as a threat by the time he goes out to search for her. And he does indeed consider that he shouldn't be hostile and take the gun with him, but he says that he can't put it down. So subconsciously, he feels threatened and he is very much out to get her even before the snake incident.
As a person that’s read the book I immediately burst into laughter when he said best friend😂
Wait why lol
@@erynpoulin8151 because he only saved Sejanus so he wouldn’t get a demerit and tried to tell Dr.gaul that they were not friends
Edit:
Love your profile pic
They did grow closer towards the end tho when Snow met him in district 12 again and his death genuinely affected him and snow was trying to keep him alive
@@rnplays6670 that is true another thing is that he wanted him away from district 12 because he was afraid he would do something stupid And he would get part of the blame
Edit but it is true they took a closer towards the end
@@It.s_ok-nowif we are really into this, I think that the person who Snow himself considered the closest to being his best friend was Festus, who was much more sympathetic side character in the book than he is in the movie
It's also interesting how Snow's horrified by the thought of Tigris potentially selling her body, while he had no issue pimping out victors like Finnick.
Because a prostitute in the family might lower the family name.
Snow is such a complex character and I love it. His story arc is really good. One thing I picked up on is he Disney have moral codes like Lucy gray to survive but old snow has a code to never lie as he lied a lot to get his way which he backstabbed people, so he doesn’t want being backstabbing him by lying so he tells katniss to never lie.
This was written by a Neanderthal
@@alexorozco6120 That's insulting to neanderthals
snow didn't "turn" evil and his transformation wasn't "inevitable"- he had many positive influences in his life and KNEW what the districts went through. the scariest part about him is that he is the one who chooses to be like this, that he wasn't forced to become what he became. also sejanus was not hus best friend lol
Nah, if by "many positive influences" you mean Tigris then it's not much - since Tigris' humanitarian world-view couldn't do much to alleviate their family's poverty. It always fell upon him to raise his Grandma'am and his beloved Tigris out of poverty regardless of what it took. Highbottom's unfair blocking of his progress at every turn meant that he was always gonna have to cheat somehow to succeed, so I'd say Highbottom was most to blame. Him choosing a more "moral" path would've meant choosing poverty for himself and his family.
RIP Donald Sutherland
In the book, he's already showing toxic characteristics, an incredible lack of empathy towards everyone, and an adoration for his imaginary greatness at the time. His society (capitol classmates) and bad influences (grandma'am, dr gaul) already shaped him to become a sociopath, but with new economic growth he's growing to become a psychopath, now he has the money to buy votes, to do whatever he pleases, and expand his vision for the hunger games.
In the book it starts a lot sooner, but a little more subtle because he’s still got it contained under the guise of being unsure of what he believes. His relationships with both Lucy gray and sejanus speak the loudest about where his psyche is headed though
I enjoyed the Hunger Game movie about Snow's backstory. Just finished watching it, actually. 😅
It’s also because many things about Katniss Everdeen remind Snow of Lucy Gray like MockingJays,The plant she named Katniss,the same songs they sing, personality, etc.
I don’t think snow ever saw sejanus as his best friend more like a burden 😭 when he sent seajuns to his death he felt bad that he killed someone who saw him as his brother. The key word is “ saw him” because snow never saw anything of seajuns aside district.
EXACTLY
RIP SNOW
hes the real slim shady😮💨
He's not mad, he's just evil. And they're not best friends...
I read the book so I know the full story
What does the moon say about them
The snow in the movies isn't exactly like the Snow in the Books ... Sure he is the bad guy but in the fourth book he has much more character skills that they didn't show in the movie ... What I missed in the movie was how the family was really poor and just ate cabbage and Lima beans because that was all they had.
The scene after Sir Janus got hung, he searched his Bucket…? And saw a picture of him and Sir Janus together, that scene Really stood out to me because he cried.
Sir Janus- 💀
But fr tho when i read and watched sejanus’s death I cried and was upset for a week
Yeah I don't think he actually expected him to be hung. He didn't like what sejanus was doing and felt he should tell it to a higher authority, but he didn't think there would be much consequence. His thought his dad would pay his way out of there and take him back to the Capitol, where he wouldn't be able to plot with the districts. Specifically in the books he says that he'd be miserable (life in the capitol) but safe. Now why he chose Dr Gaul, who we have seen being cruel and indifferent to even capitol-high status children, instead of writing to his father, is a real mystery.
@@LeChatNoir1300 Damn dude
@@LeChatNoir1300he saw Sejanus as a loose cannon. Snow almost died cos he was forced into the arena to save him, and Snow was so mad he was actually tempted to wrap his hands around his throat after they escaped. He knew that he was closely associated to Sejanus, and if Sejanus was caught up in rebel activity, he would be viewed as guilty by association cos he must’ve known about it. By him being the one to turn him in showed the capitol he had nothing to do with it, and showed Dr Gaul that he was willing to dispense of his friend to uphold capitol standards. He definitely didn’t expect Sejanus to die, but he also wasn’t that bothered by his death…
He briefly felt guilt for it, but his main take away from the death was that he was sad he wouldn’t get any more of ma plinths food packages 😫😂 Snow is very interesting cos as the story progresses, we see how each death he’s responsible for effects him less and less. The murder of Bobbin effected him cos it was his first. It highlighted that any innocence left in him was essentially gone (that’s how he viewed it anyway), and after he killed Mayfair he thought about how that was easier than the bobbin murder, and also the fact he killed Mayfair for self preservation, not self defence.
@@LeChatNoir1300damn bruh and I thought Corio cried cause he thought he’d be next💀
Teen snow is kinda 😅😏
Agreed
Fr
FRR
For a guy named snow,he sure is hot.😂
it’s okay he’s hot😔
I feel like Dr. Gaul was the biggest influence in turning Snow evil.
He was already bad and willingly turned.
In those three scenes I did see his dark side
Sejanus wasn’t his best friend. He only went in after him so he could win the Plinth Prize. After that he felt closer but never actually had a best friends relationship with him.
yeah! i noticed that too. A lot of his actions are derived from greed (plinth prize). you can tell he is a man who does not have a moral compass and it comes out little by little until transformation
I was about to comment this biggest flaw of the movies In my opinion
Snow didnt become mad, he became ever more refined, calculated and sinister. Also sejanus is not his best friend, if anything that would be tigris.
completely off topic but bro looks exactly like derek from more plates more dates
Woah woah woah… MADNESS? He isn’t mad. He was groomed to have a certain worldview and now he thinks all the horrible shit he does is “the only way” and “for the greater good.”
We do get to see a little bit of Dr. Gaul’s influence over him in the film, but you really get to sit with it in the book.
The point is that, depending on the circumstances, any of us could become somebody in the future that our present self wouldn’t recognize. It’s a matter of one’s view of human nature, not of evil, sadism, or madness. The Coriolanus Snow’s of the world don’t happen by pure accident. Events occur and we are shaped by them. How we are shaped by them depends on who we are surrounded by. When someone needs help, the people who can help often won’t and those who would help do not have the means. The people responsible for alleviating the worries in his life largely shaped who he would become. A woman who manipulated him for his creativity and a man who values his reputation more that anything. Loving family and his bonds aside, that boy was doomed to become an oligarch.
Snow can’t really be blamed for killing bobbin tho. It was to save himself and Sejanus, so I feel it’s excused
Help I didn’t even realise that was a prequel ( I hadn’t watched the first movie😭🫣)
What makes you think he is insane. He is horrible but principled character, he doesnt lie.
😂 lol, he lies to everyone, to his classmates, teachers, alleged friends, all his life was about pretending
Like pretty much every word he said was a lie.
Snow is Anakin.
u on to somthing
Zegler is giving me villain vibes
Sejanus is his "best friend"??
Snow wouldn't say that.
He would probably say it was Tigris
the soundtrack is "yuletide interlude reverse version"
I think Sejanus asked for it, because Snow warned him several times. Apart from the fact that he would go on to harm him for being his friend.
He never want sejanus dead, he send that voice message to gaul because he thinks that gaul can save him; film doesnt show that, you can read book, it was so different
Remember the flower, she name Katniss
Katniss is an edible root.
Snow has power issues displayed in his character and how he saw his possessive affection for Lucy… but Lucy only learned to survive at a young age and how she only ever learned to go from one place to another and it benefited her for snow to like and protect her. But she also had her demons… I’m seeing people blame one side but I think they were both toxic in their own respects.
what is the name of this ost?
Ramadan Mubarak
Lucy gray poisoned her boyfriend and that is a moral code?
Can I say something out of the choir? I don't think we really needed this prequel! In the main trilogy, Snow is cruel, but at the same time he's not crazy like he appears in the prequel. I mean, in the Hunger Games, he kills just to keep order and power, to make the other districts remember how they depend on the capital. He's calm and a calculator, a man who watches people killing others but with no need of get his own hand dirty. Here in the prequel, he seems like a crazy ambitious dude, who doesn't really know how to reach a great position and ends up randomly murdering 3 people! I also think that his love story with Lucy ruins his future interaction with Katniss! He doesn't fear Katniss because she reminds him of his former lover, but because she's gaining more and more power (with the approval of the masses) and he sees her as political opponent! He respects her somehow when she makes the right move, because he is a strategist and a manipulator, and they are all playing the (hunger) games after all! The one who gets sponsor wins and Snow know he's slowly losing control over the citizens. It's all about political rivalry not revenge towards a lovestory that didn't go as he wanted to!
So, something the movie doesn't (and possibly can't) show well, is Snow's complete selfishness. All of those cold calculating things you are talking about from the original trilogy are present in the prequel. It shows that he was never some good guy who turned bad. He has ALWAYS been out for himself. He doesn't actually care about ANYONE (including his "best friend"). He cares about people only as far as they are extensions of himself. He only ever cares about himself and his reputation. When you can see his inner thoughts in the book, you see that every single good thing he does for anyone is only because it benefits him. There really isn't a "transformation", he has always been this calculating and selfish.
@jenangel7267 which honestly makes him a perfect villain in my eyes. As he encapsulates all the worst traits of politics and legitimately feels like a real dictator of a nation. A man who seeks only to maintain power and extracts every penny from the population until they are miserable, all to maintain his wealth and of his inner circle and military that prop him up. Legitimately reminds me of dictators like Nicolas Maduro or Francisco Franco.
Maybe that's true but it was so well made hahha
@@jenangel7267great comment 👏👏 I honestly was mad that they sugar-coated him in the movie and now most girls are thirsting over an established psycho 😅
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Snow was scared of Katniss as a political opponent, of course! However, when he saw her hit the apple at the feast in defiance, when she sang the hanging tree, all the talk about mockingjays, even her name "katniss" had to remind him. Snow believed he was special and he sensed that Katniss was special as he had sensed that Lucy Gray was special. Those girls weren't at all alike, but they were somehow very much alike! Snow was intelligent as he was obsessive with specific details and he could tell.
Guys it’s SNO not SNOW
Ok Seajanus Was Not Snow’s best friend! Snow never liked Seajanus, he was only pretending to like him/be his friend for “political” reasons.
He turned his friend into a chick using a bird....what?!?!
The books are so much better
Did this come out? I've never seen a single promotion of this movie at all. I've seen more promotions for the paw patrol movie than this
it was only released in the uk I think.
It's already out in the US it's been #1 for 2 weeks.
You're watching too much Paw Patrol that's why your algorithm is f*cked
No, it's everywhere, it's actually in theaters right now. There were premieres all over the world and promotion, only that it was pretty late, almost on their premiere date@@jaleesalake1019
I just seen it in US theatres.
its been out since November
If lucy trusted snow, he would have loved her forever and run away with her
So, do you think she didn't trust him? After watching this movie, it made me realize how it shaped Snow's perspective on the world, she basically made him evolve into a vicious person.
Maybe, but he could have easily destroyed the gun and let her run off.
He wasn't gonna kill her till he got bit by her snake and realized she had already betrayed him.
@@JP-rf8rrin the book it's more clear that he was willing to kill her. He went after her with a gun, even before finding the snake. He didn't have to take the gun with him, but he did, he was already hostile towards her.
@LeChatNoir1300
According to a video where his thoughts in the book were read out (don't know if anything is missing) he wasn't hostile even then because he was sure she wouldn't turn him because it would incriminate her as well. He then reflects that he hadn't gotten rid of the gun yet, which might give Lucy the wrong idea right before the snake incident. After that, he went full hostile.
@@JP-rf8rr there's a lot going on in his head. For example, he says that if they got to her (the mayor was after her) and they tortured her, she might confess that it was Snow. After all, it was snow that killed Mayfair, not LG. He really sees her as a threat by the time he goes out to search for her. And he does indeed consider that he shouldn't be hostile and take the gun with him, but he says that he can't put it down. So subconsciously, he feels threatened and he is very much out to get her even before the snake incident.
in the book he’s awful all the time
Snow didnt become mad, he became ever more refined, calculated and sinister. Also sejanus is not his best friend, if anything that would be tigris.